[tw5] Using alias field for title

[Jon]

Hi,

Just in case anyone else would find this as useful as I did 
http://aliases.tiddlyspot.com/

Thanks Matt!

Regards
Jon

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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:18 AM TonyM  wrote:

> Mohammad,
>
> I considered this path for my learning tiddlywiki edition. Basically I
> created a tiddler containing every regular tiddler then generated a link to
> access it https://tiddlywiki.com/#HelloThere all you need to do it prefix
> every tiddler name with https://tiddlywiki.com/# to construct the link
> You could place this path in a tiddler field, in a tiddler that contains a
> list of tiddler names for each wiki.
>

I think this is the simplest!

   1. a button
  1. to list all NON system tiddlers
  2. to add a prefix to refer to wiki and create the link
  3. write into a dataTiddler called xxx.index where xxx stands for
  wiki name like tiddlywiki.com.index
  4. export it as .tid file

NOW

   1. import the xxx.file
   2. use a custom searchbox to search in dataTiddler
   3. return the key/value as a link


> A quick brainstorm
>
> The above would work well for reference back to tiddlywiki.com because
> the title is often enough info in the titles, however you could also
> construct a link to open tiddly wiki.com with the search string you
> started with.
>
> I favor the use of titles and a keyword field to intentionally name the
> keywords and being able to do a keyword only search, ie you design tiddlers
> to state exactly which keywords are relevant in addition to the title.
>
> However if we wanted to get tricky we may be able to capture and extract
> the indexes that tiddlywiki builds internally for performance, but allow
> them, to be packaged and dropped into another wiki.
>

This is great! If one can export this to another wiki and use it for search
external wikis!

>
> A more sophisticated approach would be to generate a serial number of
> every tiddler, then every word you find is recorded and given its own
> serial number, then you generate a list of every word found and list the
> tiddlers in which it occurs, by recording the tiddler serial number against
> the word serial number. A special search could then use this database to
> all tiddlers containing one or more words and give you a link to it.
>
> This makes me wonder if we could use a compression technique that we could
> still search within.
>
> More simply we could generate a kind of usable site index for wikis, which
> can be copied into another wiki, if the search finds an item in that index
> you know within which wiki it resides.
>

Yep, this would be very useful.

>
> It may be possible to open a wiki in an iframe and feed the search string
> into the window once you identify the wiki in which the keyword belongs.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 4:14:46 PM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyBlink (Roam-y experiment, contd)

[HC Haase]

That's some fancy semantics.. I like the mane ;)

Its funny though, when I look at Roam and what you are doing in blink I do 
not see bidirectional linking to be the goal/defining feature.

As I understand bidirectional linking. It is links that are bidirectional, 
two direction A to B and B to A. strictly speaking we have that in TW, but 
it is not automatic. 

The thing we lack in TW is to make these bidirectional links explicit, 
friction less and "attention grabbing".

With my TOC generic I attempt to deal with the explicit and attention part 
(not that I know if it is the best way, just a way). But what I find fare 
more interesting in blink/roam, is the served and showed context (of 
links/relations).

Bidirectional links is the messenger, the overview of context (in said 
links) is the message. Or am I completely off?

Not to bash on your name - I like it, just thinking out loud of what it is 
we are doing here. 

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[tw5] Re: Text editing

[TonyM]

Wattup,

When editing the text field of any tiddler you can use wikitext which is a 
"mark up language" search for wikitext at tiddlywiki.com

The editor Toolbar also offers most of the wiki text as buttons - just 
select some text and hit B to bold it, at least until you learn.

However you can get additional features if you install the codemirror 
plugin that improve the way the editor works especially if you are a 
programmer.

It is also possible to install the visual editor and it looks much like any 
WISYWIG editor but the result is stored as HTML which is not always as 
helpful if you want to use macros etc...

By learning the wikitext markup, you learn to write quickly using a few 
simple characters to change you text into headings and bullets etc... then 
you are set up to do a lot more with your tiddler content.

It you are editing a tiddler click on the editor toolbar button, click the 
"closed eye" icon to open the eye and display the preview right along side.

So yes you can "*sort of 'switch' from source code to real time preview 
mode?* we tend to call it edit and Preview

Regards
Tony



On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 7:58:37 AM UTC+11, Wattup wrote:
>
>
> dear all, 
> I am new to tiddly wiki and looking for a personal note taking/wiki 
> application
> I think tiddly wiki looks great!
> However, i am not a star with HTML style typing/editing. I was wondering 
> if there is a easy way for me to type and make up my tiddles more like a 
> 'word processor', like for example PBwiki or like the text editing in 
> Evernote or apple notes.
> This is much more convient for me.
>
> Does anybody know if you can sort of 'switch' from source code to real 
> time preview mode?
> Best!
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[TonyM]

Mohammad,

I considered this path for my learning tiddlywiki edition. Basically I 
created a tiddler containing every regular tiddler then generated a link to 
access it https://tiddlywiki.com/#HelloThere all you need to do it prefix 
every tiddler name with https://tiddlywiki.com/# to construct the link You 
could place this path in a tiddler field, in a tiddler that contains a list 
of tiddler names for each wiki.

A quick brainstorm

The above would work well for reference back to tiddlywiki.com because the 
title is often enough info in the titles, however you could also construct 
a link to open tiddly wiki.com with the search string you started with.

I favor the use of titles and a keyword field to intentionally name the 
keywords and being able to do a keyword only search, ie you design tiddlers 
to state exactly which keywords are relevant in addition to the title.

However if we wanted to get tricky we may be able to capture and extract 
the indexes that tiddlywiki builds internally for performance, but allow 
them, to be packaged and dropped into another wiki.

A more sophisticated approach would be to generate a serial number of every 
tiddler, then every word you find is recorded and given its own serial 
number, then you generate a list of every word found and list the tiddlers 
in which it occurs, by recording the tiddler serial number against the word 
serial number. A special search could then use this database to all 
tiddlers containing one or more words and give you a link to it.

This makes me wonder if we could use a compression technique that we could 
still search within.

More simply we could generate a kind of usable site index for wikis, which 
can be copied into another wiki, if the search finds an item in that index 
you know within which wiki it resides.

It may be possible to open a wiki in an iframe and feed the search string 
into the window once you identify the wiki in which the keyword belongs.

Regards
Tony



On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 4:14:46 PM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and 
>   suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>   and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single 
> html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

   
   - Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
   - It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
   student can have one wiki per course
  - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and 
  suprior flexibility
  - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize and 
  use
  - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
   - RESULT
  - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
   - ISSUE
  - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
   

One solution

   - create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
   - use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
   tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
   - put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
   - Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
   return a link to the correct wiki

Howto

   - a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
   - export the updated index to master wiki

I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single 
html Tiddlywiki.


   1. What do you think?
   2. Have you seen such solution before?
   3. Can you share any tools, idea?

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Text editing

[Marty McGowan]

Since you say you are "not a star with HTML", what is it you're looking 
for.TiddlyWiki spares you the need to know much, if anything about HTML.

When editing a tiddler, you should see a side-by-side view of the editing 
text and the presentation, or no need to "switch".The menu bar offers 
clickable options to create links, highlights, lists, headings.

If it's a wiki you're looking for, TW is all you'll need for decades.

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-6, Wattup wrote:
>
>
> dear all, 
> I am new to tiddly wiki and looking for a personal note taking/wiki 
> application
> I think tiddly wiki looks great!
> However, i am not a star with HTML style typing/editing. I was wondering 
> if there is a easy way for me to type and make up my tiddles more like a 
> 'word processor', like for example PBwiki or like the text editing in 
> Evernote or apple notes.
> This is much more convient for me.
>
> Does anybody know if you can sort of 'switch' from source code to real 
> time preview mode?
> Best!
>

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Re: [tw5] ImageMap no longer working

[Drevarr the Old]

Thank you, working as intended in https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Drevarr
>
> I think this may be fixed by the latest update. Please could you give it a 
> try at https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
> On 26 Jan 2020, at 23:00, Drevarr the Old > 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>- Working in 5.1.13
>   - http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#ImageMaps
>- Not Working in 5.1.21
>   - http://darkward.tiddlyspot.com/#imagemaptest
>
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Re: [tw5] focus=yes in edit widget causes input to be selected

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Jeremy,

Thank you for your answer: it lead me to switch to a more idiomatic code
for the UI, which wouldn't trigger the edit-text refresh!

Cheers,
-- Xavier Cazin


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:08 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Xavier
>
> I think this is the venerable problem of the focus/selection not being
> retained over a refresh cycle. The only way to avoid it at present is to
> ensure that the edit-text widget doesn’t get refreshed.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> On 27 Jan 2020, at 16:50, Xavier Cazin  wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I stumble on an issue that I can seem to solve by myself: in the code
> below, I need to set focus=yes to counter the lost of focus caused by the
> <$set> content refresh :
>
> <$set name=foo value=<> >
>
> Refresh of the `foo` value: ''<>'' causes either //focus// or //user
> input// (when `focus=yes`) to be lost.
>
> <$edit-text tiddler="$:/state/foo" focus=yes tag=input placeholder="Try
> typing something" default=""/>
> 
>
> But then the input text gets selected as it is typed, causing the next
> character to replace the previous one. Tested on 5.1.21 and
> 5.1.22-prerelease, on Firefox and Chrome. How would you solve this?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> -- Xavier Cazin
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Re: [tw5] Default tiddlers do not reload. Bug?

[Hubert]

Thank you Jeremy! Fixed for me too.

Best regards,
Hubert

On Monday, 27 January 2020 18:30:39 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad, Hubert,
>
> I believe that this is now fixed:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/29461403ed5868500ac8e9917e1428a5809ed0d3
>
> Please give the prerelease a try,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 27 Jan 2020, at 10:30, Mohammad > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>  This issue also occurred with fresh empty.html
>
> Please also see
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/C1-ag-4m_-s/PA5wdQ8AAgAJ
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 5:01:01 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hubert
>>
>> Thanks for the report. Do you have any plugins or customisations in your 
>> wiki? Are you able to duplicate it at https://tiddlywiki.com? 
>>  What operating system are you using?
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 11:13, Hubert  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> This may be a possible bug.
>>
>> I have a single tiddler titled Startpage that displays at startup as the 
>> default tiddler (defined in 
>> $:/DefaultTiddlers). Sometimes the TW home button does not bring me back 
>> to the Startpage tiddler but displays an empty story river.
>>
>> My current setup:
>>
>>1. 5.1.20 (single file)
>>2. Firefox
>>3. Storyview: Zoomin
>>
>>
>> Steps to reproduce:
>>
>>1. Go to default tiddlers by clicking on the Home button
>>2. Close all (default) tiddlers (make the story river empty)
>>3. Again, go to default tiddlers by clicking on the Home button
>>4. Story river is empty (default tiddlers did not load this time 
>>around)
>>
>> I was originally transcluding my default tiddler (called Startpage) in 
>> $:/config/EmptyStoryMessage so that I could always see the Startpage 
>> tiddler, even if I've closed all tiddlers, by having 
>> {{Startpage||$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate}} in the above tiddler's text field. 
>> But since 5.1.20, blank story river started showing after the above 
>> sequence of clicks, whether EmptyStoryMessage was defined or not (I've 
>> tested both scenarios, even with a very simple Startpage that only had 
>> 'test' in the tiddler text and having deleted the system tiddler 
>> EmptyStoryMessage, removed all styling, macro definitions, any references 
>> whatsoever etc.).  
>>
>> If anyone was able to reproduce the same behaviour please let me know as 
>> this could then be a possible bug. Please note that I had not observed this 
>> behaviour prior to 5.1.20.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Hubert
>>
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[tw5] Re: zoomin story view: is this a bug? or this is the normal behaviour

[Hubert]

Fantastic! Thank you Jeremy for implementing the fix.

Best regards,
Hubert

On Monday, 27 January 2020 18:40:56 UTC, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> I tested the new update at https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
> I confirm the issue has gone! Tested on FF, Edge Chromium.
>
> Many thanks for your prompt action.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 10:00:50 PM UTC+3:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> I think this is fixed here:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/29461403ed5868500ac8e9917e1428a5809ed0d3
>>
>> Please give the prerelease a try,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 6:15:43 AM UTC, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>1. open https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>>2. set story view to zoomin
>>>3. from sidebar tools, close all tiddlers
>>>4. click on Home
>>>
>>> Nothing appeasers!
>>>
>>> Do this in an empty.html
>>>
>>> Is this the normal behavior, Home button is not working for story view?
>>>
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Action-send-message new tiddler question

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 8:13:07 AM UTC-8, Hubert wrote:
>
> I'm sure others will suggest a more elegant (and shorter) solution...
>

No need to use $wikify.  Since <> is already defined as a 
variable, you can use $(currentTiddler)$ inside the macro, like this: 

\define journalButton()
<$button> click
   <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
text="""[[$(currentTiddler)$]]"""/>

\end

<>

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[tw5] Text editing

[Wattup]

dear all, 
I am new to tiddly wiki and looking for a personal note taking/wiki application
I think tiddly wiki looks great!
However, i am not a star with HTML style typing/editing. I was wondering if 
there is a easy way for me to type and make up my tiddles more like a 'word 
processor', like for example PBwiki or like the text editing in Evernote or 
apple notes.
This is much more convient for me.

Does anybody know if you can sort of 'switch' from source code to real time 
preview mode?
Best!

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Re: [tw5] Whoever made that full screen editor for TiddlyWiki...

[David Gifford]

Hi Mohamed, here is the link. It is a json file attached to a discussion 
thread in this group.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/fullscreen-editor%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/NbapwQHtIVQ/yt8EdV4YHQAJ

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 2:52:31 PM UTC-6, Mohamed Amin wrote:
>
> hello. 
> would you please provide more info/links  about this editor 
> regards 
>
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2020, 15:43 David Gifford, > 
> wrote:
>
>> ...you just made my day. Thank you so much!
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Re: [tw5] Whoever made that full screen editor for TiddlyWiki...

[msameen99]

hello.
would you please provide more info/links  about this editor
regards

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[tw5] Re: Action-send-message new tiddler question

[David Gifford]

Hi Hubert!

I used your code and figured out how to integrate it into the new journal 
buttons. Thought I had written earlier to thank you. Thanks a bunch!

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 10:13:07 AM UTC-6, Hubert wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> I'm sure others will suggest a more elegant (and shorter) solution, but 
> this is one way you could do that (using the $wikify widget):
>
> \define button()
> <$button actions=<>>
> click
> 
> \end
>
> \define actions()
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
> text="""[[$(tid)$]]"""/>
> \end
>
> <$wikify name=tid text=<>>
> <>
> 
>
> Regards,
> Hubert
>
> On Monday, 27 January 2020 15:40:50 UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> I accidentally had quotes around <>. What I should have 
>> posted is below. I want to do this, but have the current tiddler title show 
>> up as a link: [[name of parent tiddler]]
>>
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
>> text=<> />
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:03:44 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay I am getting excited about my Roam-y adaptation, and this is one of 
>>> the last pieces of the puzzle.
>>>
>>> I did this for a 'new journal here' clone.
>>>
>>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
>>> text="<>" />
>>>
>>> It creates a new tiddler that puts the parent tiddler's title in the 
>>> text of the child tiddler.
>>>
>>> But I would really like that to be a link rather than just plain text. 
>>> How could I do that?
>>>
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[tw5] TiddlyBlink (Roam-y experiment, contd)

[David Gifford]

Hi all

TiddlyBlink is the new name I am giving to the Roam-y experiment I have 
been working on for the last few days: 

Same link for now: https://giffmex.org/experiments/roamwiki.experiment.html

I don't consider it finished yet, but I wanted you to be able to see and 
experiment with it.

I worked with yesterday's version for the afternoon and found it speeding 
up my note taking by a lot. But this has a number of improvements. I hope 
you all find it helpful.

As for the name: blink as in *b*idirectional *link*s, and blink because it 
helps you work fast, as in "in the blink of an eye".

Dave

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Re: [tw5] Default tiddlers do not reload. Bug?

[Mohammad]

Many thanks Jeremy!
Works fine now.

--Mohammad

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 10:00:39 PM UTC+3:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad, Hubert,
>
> I believe that this is now fixed:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/29461403ed5868500ac8e9917e1428a5809ed0d3
>
> Please give the prerelease a try,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 27 Jan 2020, at 10:30, Mohammad > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>  This issue also occurred with fresh empty.html
>
> Please also see
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/C1-ag-4m_-s/PA5wdQ8AAgAJ
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 5:01:01 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hubert
>>
>> Thanks for the report. Do you have any plugins or customisations in your 
>> wiki? Are you able to duplicate it at https://tiddlywiki.com? 
>>  What operating system are you using?
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 11:13, Hubert  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> This may be a possible bug.
>>
>> I have a single tiddler titled Startpage that displays at startup as the 
>> default tiddler (defined in 
>> $:/DefaultTiddlers). Sometimes the TW home button does not bring me back 
>> to the Startpage tiddler but displays an empty story river.
>>
>> My current setup:
>>
>>1. 5.1.20 (single file)
>>2. Firefox
>>3. Storyview: Zoomin
>>
>>
>> Steps to reproduce:
>>
>>1. Go to default tiddlers by clicking on the Home button
>>2. Close all (default) tiddlers (make the story river empty)
>>3. Again, go to default tiddlers by clicking on the Home button
>>4. Story river is empty (default tiddlers did not load this time 
>>around)
>>
>> I was originally transcluding my default tiddler (called Startpage) in 
>> $:/config/EmptyStoryMessage so that I could always see the Startpage 
>> tiddler, even if I've closed all tiddlers, by having 
>> {{Startpage||$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate}} in the above tiddler's text field. 
>> But since 5.1.20, blank story river started showing after the above 
>> sequence of clicks, whether EmptyStoryMessage was defined or not (I've 
>> tested both scenarios, even with a very simple Startpage that only had 
>> 'test' in the tiddler text and having deleted the system tiddler 
>> EmptyStoryMessage, removed all styling, macro definitions, any references 
>> whatsoever etc.).  
>>
>> If anyone was able to reproduce the same behaviour please let me know as 
>> this could then be a possible bug. Please note that I had not observed this 
>> behaviour prior to 5.1.20.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Hubert
>>
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[tw5] Re: zoomin story view: is this a bug? or this is the normal behaviour

[Mohammad]

Hi Jeremy,

I tested the new update at https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
I confirm the issue has gone! Tested on FF, Edge Chromium.

Many thanks for your prompt action.

--Mohammad

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 10:00:50 PM UTC+3:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I think this is fixed here:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/29461403ed5868500ac8e9917e1428a5809ed0d3
>
> Please give the prerelease a try,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 6:15:43 AM UTC, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>1. open https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>2. set story view to zoomin
>>3. from sidebar tools, close all tiddlers
>>4. click on Home
>>
>> Nothing appeasers!
>>
>> Do this in an empty.html
>>
>> Is this the normal behavior, Home button is not working for story view?
>>
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
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Re: [tw5] Default tiddlers do not reload. Bug?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mohammad, Hubert,

I believe that this is now fixed:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/29461403ed5868500ac8e9917e1428a5809ed0d3
 


Please give the prerelease a try,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 27 Jan 2020, at 10:30, Mohammad  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
>  This issue also occurred with fresh empty.html
> 
> Please also see
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/C1-ag-4m_-s/PA5wdQ8AAgAJ
> 
> --Mohammad
> 
> On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 5:01:01 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Hubert
> 
> Thanks for the report. Do you have any plugins or customisations in your 
> wiki? Are you able to duplicate it at https://tiddlywiki.com? 
>  What operating system are you using?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 11:13, Hubert > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> This may be a possible bug.
>> 
>> I have a single tiddler titled Startpage that displays at startup as the 
>> default tiddler (defined in
>> $:/DefaultTiddlers). Sometimes the TW home button does not bring me back to 
>> the Startpage tiddler but displays an empty story river.
>> 
>> My current setup:
>> 5.1.20 (single file)
>> Firefox
>> Storyview: Zoomin
>> 
>> Steps to reproduce:
>> Go to default tiddlers by clicking on the Home button
>> Close all (default) tiddlers (make the story river empty)
>> Again, go to default tiddlers by clicking on the Home button
>> Story river is empty (default tiddlers did not load this time around)
>> I was originally transcluding my default tiddler (called Startpage) in 
>> $:/config/EmptyStoryMessage so that I could always see the Startpage 
>> tiddler, even if I've closed all tiddlers, by having 
>> {{Startpage||$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate}} in the above tiddler's text field. 
>> But since 5.1.20, blank story river started showing after the above sequence 
>> of clicks, whether EmptyStoryMessage was defined or not (I've tested both 
>> scenarios, even with a very simple Startpage that only had 'test' in the 
>> tiddler text and having deleted the system tiddler EmptyStoryMessage, 
>> removed all styling, macro definitions, any references whatsoever etc.). 
>> 
>> If anyone was able to reproduce the same behaviour please let me know as 
>> this could then be a possible bug. Please note that I had not observed this 
>> behaviour prior to 5.1.20.
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> Hubert
>> 
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[tw5] Re: zoomin story view: is this a bug? or this is the normal behaviour

[Jeremy Ruston]

I think this is fixed here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/29461403ed5868500ac8e9917e1428a5809ed0d3

Please give the prerelease a try,

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 6:15:43 AM UTC, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>1. open https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>2. set story view to zoomin
>3. from sidebar tools, close all tiddlers
>4. click on Home
>
> Nothing appeasers!
>
> Do this in an empty.html
>
> Is this the normal behavior, Home button is not working for story view?
>
>
> --Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] focus=yes in edit widget causes input to be selected

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Xavier

I think this is the venerable problem of the focus/selection not being retained 
over a refresh cycle. The only way to avoid it at present is to ensure that the 
edit-text widget doesn’t get refreshed.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 27 Jan 2020, at 16:50, Xavier Cazin  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I stumble on an issue that I can seem to solve by myself: in the code below, 
> I need to set focus=yes to counter the lost of focus caused by the <$set> 
> content refresh :
> 
> <$set name=foo value=<> >
> 
> Refresh of the `foo` value: ''<>'' causes either //focus// or //user 
> input// (when `focus=yes`) to be lost.
> 
> <$edit-text tiddler="$:/state/foo" focus=yes tag=input placeholder="Try 
> typing something" default=""/>
> 
> 
> But then the input text gets selected as it is typed, causing the next 
> character to replace the previous one. Tested on 5.1.21 and 
> 5.1.22-prerelease, on Firefox and Chrome. How would you solve this?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> 
> -- Xavier Cazin
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Re: [tw5] ImageMap no longer working

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Drevarr

I think this may be fixed by the latest update. Please could you give it a try 
at https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 

Many thanks,

Jeremy.


> On 26 Jan 2020, at 23:00, Drevarr the Old  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Working in 5.1.13   
> http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#ImageMaps 
> Not Working in 5.1.21
> http://darkward.tiddlyspot.com/#imagemaptest 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Bug in TW 5.1.21 tiddler title disappear after # if we use "Include the target tiddle"r in "Navigation Address Bar "

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Siniy-Kit

Good catch! This was quite a tricky one to track down, but I think it’s now 
fixed:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/29461403ed5868500ac8e9917e1428a5809ed0d3
 


There will be a new build in about 10 minutes at 
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease  if you 
could give it a try,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 27 Jan 2020, at 04:52, Siniy-Kit  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony! I dont know how to  "activate local storage" but pre-release has the 
> same bug. 
> if we 
> 1)  download empty.html
> 2) open it and put settings to "Include the target tiddler" in "Navigation 
> Address Bar "
> 3) save it
> 4) refresh it  AND we will see
> 
> <Снимок.PNG>
> 
> 
> I want to see this  on page start (like in old TW versions).
> 
> <Снимок.PNG>
> 
> 
> I test it on different browsers,  and the result is the same.  I am not able 
> to solve this problem myself.  
> 
>  
> 
> воскресенье, 26 января 2020 г., 23:59:39 UTC+3 пользователь TonyM написал:
> Siniy
> 
> Do you make sure you save these settings before reloading?, I tested this on 
> the pre-release by activating local storage (filter [all[]]) and it works 
> there.
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 12:58:10 AM UTC+11, Siniy-Kit wrote:
> The was no this bug in old TW versions.
>  For example if we download empty tiddlywiki   put this settings
> 
> 
> 
> then save it and refresh it we will not see empty.html#GettingStarted   
> url, like in old tiddlywiki version. We will see empty.html#
> 
> if we go GettingStarted  tiddler our url will update to 
> ...empty.html#GettingStarted, but if we refresh this page we will see  
> empty.html#
> 
> there was no this problem in old vesions. You can go to this page 
> http://novye-podarki.ru/6_7_0/heeg.html#about_cms 
>  and refresh it many times 
> and url will be always the same.
> 
> help me please to solve this problem.
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Re: [tw5] Re: search operator word with dash

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I think I've come up with a solution.

\define list-contain()
<$list filter="[enlist{search/query!!list}]" variable="list">
<$list filter="[tag[myTag]contains:list]" variable="result">
<>

\end

\define list-remove()
<$list filter="[enlist{search/query!!list}]" variable="list">
<$list filter="[tag[myTag]!contains:list]" variable="result">
<>

\end

\define contain-clean()
<$wikify name="input" text=<>>
<$list filter="[enlist:raw] +[sortan[]] +[split[ ]]" variable="list">
<$list filter="[enlist:dedupe]" variable="result">
<>

\end

\define remove-clean()
<$wikify name="input" text=<>>
<$list filter="[enlist:raw] +[sortan[]] +[split[ ]]" variable="list">
<$list filter="[enlist:dedupe]" variable="result">
<>

\end

 Search Results:

<$wikify name="input-1" text=<>  ><$wikify name="input-2" 
text=<>  >
<$list filter="[enlist] +[remove]" variable="result">
<>


It seems to work for both single and multiple searches.

Thanks everyone for helping.

Kind regards, Trend.



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Subject: RE: [tw5] Re: search operator word with dash


@ Mark S

This seems like a nice step in the right direction.

I see that the filter is searching for each search term and appending all 
results for each term to a list.



Would it be possible to select only the tiddlers that are mentioned twice (or 
as much as there are search terms) ? I tried but didn’t succeed.





@Mohammad

Very clever thinking. Nice trick! And thanks for the test setup.



Yes I do want the exact search term. But the problem is when using multiple 
search terms.



When using your setup. If I search for term-1 AND term-14 I want the result to 
be tiddler C (having both term-1 AND term-14).



I don’t want the result to be the tiddlers that have term-1 OR term-14 OR both.





@all helping out

//I will take a look at the list field again and see if I can change it to 
something else. // Everybody happy!









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[tw5] Re: Simple Notebook

[Julio Peña]

Hello Scott and all,

Beautiful stuff!

Best regards,

Julio

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 11:48:48 PM UTC-5, Scott Kingery wrote:
>
> I've been running a wiki like this for a while now. A recent discussion of 
> the TOC and Mohammad's helpful code led me to do some upgrading of the one 
> I created. I decided to put a copy online as an example wiki if anyone 
> wants to check it out. 
>
> https://techlifeweb.com/tiddlywiki/SimpleNotebook.html
>

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[tw5] Suggestion for $:/plugins/jd/fullscreen-editor

[David Gifford]

Hi JD, if you are out there watching!

First, I love your editor.

But second, I wonder if there would be also be a way to have a separate 
button, accessible from the edittemplate instead of the viewtemplate, for 
the following reasons:

1) The current button is handy for those who want it, but it overloads the 
viewtemplate buttons. And there is already an edit button there.

2) Rather than having two edit buttons in viewtemplate, it makes more sense 
to have an expand button from editing: "Hey, you are editing, want to edit 
on steroids? Click here!"

I made the mistake of re-tagging your button to $:/tags/EditToolbar. After 
editing and clicking to close, my Story river disappeared for good. Ruined 
my file. Luckily I could reconstruct it by dragging the links in the 
sidebar to an empty.html.

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[tw5] focus=yes in edit widget causes input to be selected

[Xavier Cazin]

Hello everyone,

I stumble on an issue that I can seem to solve by myself: in the code
below, I need to set focus=yes to counter the lost of focus caused by the
<$set> content refresh :

<$set name=foo value=<> >

Refresh of the `foo` value: ''<>'' causes either //focus// or //user
input// (when `focus=yes`) to be lost.

<$edit-text tiddler="$:/state/foo" focus=yes tag=input placeholder="Try
typing something" default=""/>


But then the input text gets selected as it is typed, causing the next
character to replace the previous one. Tested on 5.1.21 and
5.1.22-prerelease, on Firefox and Chrome. How would you solve this?

Thanks in advance for your help!

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[Mohammad]

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 7:38:56 PM UTC+3:30, Eskha wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
>>
>>- Make the show/hide option tiddler specific (maybe) ??? Does anyone 
>>have an idea of the best way to do this? If I do it with a field in each 
>>tiddler, the modify-date will constantly change and that's not good.
>>
>> An idea for the tiddler specific option you may store it in tiddlers 
> named "$:/config/HCHaase/TOCGeneric/Visibility/TiddlerName".
> (Page Controls buttons visibility are stored that way).
>
> The drawback is that if you rename the tiddler, you will lost the option 
> value.
>
What if the Relink plugin is used here? 

>
> Best regards,
>
> Eskha
>

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[tw5] Re: Action-send-message new tiddler question

[Hubert]

Hi David,

I'm sure others will suggest a more elegant (and shorter) solution, but 
this is one way you could do that (using the $wikify widget):

\define button()
<$button actions=<>>
click

\end

\define actions()
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
text="""[[$(tid)$]]"""/>
\end

<$wikify name=tid text=<>>
<>


Regards,
Hubert

On Monday, 27 January 2020 15:40:50 UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>
> I accidentally had quotes around <>. What I should have 
> posted is below. I want to do this, but have the current tiddler title show 
> up as a link: [[name of parent tiddler]]
>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
> text=<> />
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:03:44 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Okay I am getting excited about my Roam-y adaptation, and this is one of 
>> the last pieces of the puzzle.
>>
>> I did this for a 'new journal here' clone.
>>
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
>> text="<>" />
>>
>> It creates a new tiddler that puts the parent tiddler's title in the text 
>> of the child tiddler.
>>
>> But I would really like that to be a link rather than just plain text. 
>> How could I do that?
>>
>

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[tw5] Text in a tiddler tagged with "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" appearing twice?

[Graham]

Hello I have a bit of a problem that I hope someone will be able to help me 
with.

*What I want to do:*

I have a template (titled "TemplateTiddler") tagged with 
"$:/tags/ViewTemplate" that adds a template to selected tiddlers.

I want to display some text *only* within TemplateTiddler that reminds me 
what my particular template is for/how it works etc.

*What I have tried:*

I added the following list widget:

<$list filter="[TemplateTiddler]">
Here is some text that I want to display in TemplateTiddler.


The problem is that the text gets displayed twice. Presumably it is 
displaying the original text in the filter *and* transcluding it via the 
"$:/tags/ViewTemplate" tag.

Is there a method for getting it to display only once?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[Eskha]

Hi, 

>
>- Make the show/hide option tiddler specific (maybe) ??? Does anyone 
>have an idea of the best way to do this? If I do it with a field in each 
>tiddler, the modify-date will constantly change and that's not good.
>
> An idea for the tiddler specific option you may store it in tiddlers named 
"$:/config/HCHaase/TOCGeneric/Visibility/TiddlerName".
(Page Controls buttons visibility are stored that way).

The drawback is that if you rename the tiddler, you will lost the option 
value.

Best regards,

Eskha

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[tw5] Re: Action-send-message new tiddler question

[David Gifford]

I accidentally had quotes around <>. What I should have 
posted is below. I want to do this, but have the current tiddler title show 
up as a link: [[name of parent tiddler]]

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
text=<> />

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:03:44 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Okay I am getting excited about my Roam-y adaptation, and this is one of 
> the last pieces of the puzzle.
>
> I did this for a 'new journal here' clone.
>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
> text="<>" />
>
> It creates a new tiddler that puts the parent tiddler's title in the text 
> of the child tiddler.
>
> But I would really like that to be a link rather than just plain text. How 
> could I do that?
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Smart TOC and Outlining - Authoring with Tiddlywiki: One step forward

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Eric, it works now!
I re-import into a new empty TW, and it works like a charm.



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mohammad Rahmani 
wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> Thank you! The reason was to keep your code intact!
>
> I used the new tiddlers you recommended. Just a question
> What I am doing wrong, when I click the pad lock, still I see the arrows?
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:33 PM Eric Shulman  wrote:
>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 6:17:38 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mat,
>>> Overload toc-show-item with the below one!
>>> You have not authortools and readertools!
>>>
>>
>> I don't recommend doing it this way, as it will bypass any updates that I
>> make to the code.
>> Instead, install
>> http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FReadOnly%2FStylesheet,
>> which defines the .readertools and .authortools CSS classes.
>> Note: the default is .authortools mode, which permits drag-and-drop, and
>> also displays the "more" menu when you hover over a TOC item.
>>
>> You can also install
>> http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FReadOnly, which provides
>> a button to toggle between the two classes.
>>
>> -e
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Re: [tw5] Re: Smart TOC and Outlining - Authoring with Tiddlywiki: One step forward

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Eric,
Thank you! The reason was to keep your code intact!

I used the new tiddlers you recommended. Just a question
What I am doing wrong, when I click the pad lock, still I see the arrows?


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:33 PM Eric Shulman  wrote:

> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 6:17:38 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mat,
>> Overload toc-show-item with the below one!
>> You have not authortools and readertools!
>>
>
> I don't recommend doing it this way, as it will bypass any updates that I
> make to the code.
> Instead, install
> http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FReadOnly%2FStylesheet,
> which defines the .readertools and .authortools CSS classes.
> Note: the default is .authortools mode, which permits drag-and-drop, and
> also displays the "more" menu when you hover over a TOC item.
>
> You can also install
> http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FReadOnly, which provides a
> button to toggle between the two classes.
>
> -e
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[tw5] Re: Roam-y style linking for TiddlyWiki, first attempt

[Jack Baty]

Consider me excited! :).

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 10:00:47 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> How would you like 95%? My Roam-y, especially with today's changes, 
> already take care of your bolded stuff. :-)
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 8:50:38 AM UTC-6, Jack Baty wrote:
>>
>> I've been keeping a TiddlyWiki vs Roam tiddler here: 
>> https://rudimentarylathe.org/#TiddlyWiki%20vs%20Roam
>>
>> The bold bits are what I find most valuable with Roam. With TiddlyWiki, I 
>> feel like between automatic, contextual backlinks, direct links from 
>> transcluded content to its source, and automatic tiddler creation I'd feel 
>> 90% of the way there. Just that :).
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:29 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you all for your comments:
>>>
>>> *Jack: *Any thoughts on other ways to make TiddlyWiki function more 
>>> like Roam, or even better?
>>>



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[tw5] Action-send-message new tiddler question

[David Gifford]

Okay I am getting excited about my Roam-y adaptation, and this is one of 
the last pieces of the puzzle.

I did this for a 'new journal here' clone.

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
text="<>" />

It creates a new tiddler that puts the parent tiddler's title in the text 
of the child tiddler.

But I would really like that to be a link rather than just plain text. How 
could I do that?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Smart TOC and Outlining - Authoring with Tiddlywiki: One step forward

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 6:17:38 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Mat,
> Overload toc-show-item with the below one!
> You have not authortools and readertools!
>

I don't recommend doing it this way, as it will bypass any updates that I 
make to the code.
Instead, install  
http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FReadOnly%2FStylesheet, which 
defines the .readertools and .authortools CSS classes.
Note: the default is .authortools mode, which permits drag-and-drop, and 
also displays the "more" menu when you hover over a TOC item.

You can also install http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FReadOnly, 
which provides a button to toggle between the two classes.

-e

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[tw5] Re: Roam-y style linking for TiddlyWiki, first attempt

[David Gifford]

How would you like 95%? My Roam-y, especially with today's changes, already 
take care of your bolded stuff. :-)

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 8:50:38 AM UTC-6, Jack Baty wrote:
>
> I've been keeping a TiddlyWiki vs Roam tiddler here: 
> https://rudimentarylathe.org/#TiddlyWiki%20vs%20Roam
>
> The bold bits are what I find most valuable with Roam. With TiddlyWiki, I 
> feel like between automatic, contextual backlinks, direct links from 
> transcluded content to its source, and automatic tiddler creation I'd feel 
> 90% of the way there. Just that :).
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:29 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thank you all for your comments:
>>
>> *Jack: *Any thoughts on other ways to make TiddlyWiki function more like 
>> Roam, or even better?
>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Smart TOC and Outlining - Authoring with Tiddlywiki: One step forward

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 5:45:20 AM UTC-8, Mat wrote:
>
> Am I doing something wrong? I still get double entries in the TOC and the 
> arrow buttons don't show up: http://els-toc.tiddlyspot.com/
> Thinking I might have some other custom stylesheets or similar that 
> interfered, I also tried it on a completely new and empty TW, but same 
> results.
>

The double-entries are from <>, which produces output for 
both ".readertools" (read-only TOC) and ".authortools" (with drag-and-drop 
re-ordering)
If you don't have the stylesheet that defines these CSS classes, you get 
BOTH kinds of output.
To fix this, just copy 
http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FReadOnly%2FStylesheet

Are you using <> rather than <>?

<> doesn't allow expanding/collapsing individual branches of the 
tree, so there are no arrows.
<> allows expanding/collapsing (initial default is all 
collapsed), so there are arrows.

-e

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[tw5] Re: Roam-y style linking for TiddlyWiki, first attempt

[Jack Baty]

I've been keeping a TiddlyWiki vs Roam tiddler 
here: https://rudimentarylathe.org/#TiddlyWiki%20vs%20Roam

The bold bits are what I find most valuable with Roam. With TiddlyWiki, I 
feel like between automatic, contextual backlinks, direct links from 
transcluded content to its source, and automatic tiddler creation I'd feel 
90% of the way there. Just that :).

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:29 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your comments:
>
> *Jack: *Any thoughts on other ways to make TiddlyWiki function more like 
> Roam, or even better?
>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Smart TOC and Outlining - Authoring with Tiddlywiki: One step forward

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Mat,
Overload toc-show-time with the below one!
You have not authortools and readertools!



\define toc-show-item()
   <$droppable actions=<>>
  
  <$draggable tiddler=<> startactions=<>
endactions=<> dragimagetype="blank">
 
{{$(item)$||$(toc-template)$}}
 
  
  <>
   
\end



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 5:15 PM Mat  wrote:

> Am I doing something wrong? I still get double entries in the TOC and the
> arrow buttons don't show up: http://els-toc.tiddlyspot.com/
> Thinking I might have some other custom stylesheets or similar that
> interfered, I also tried it on a completely new and empty TW, but same
> results.
>
> Nobody else has this problem?
>
> <:-)
>
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[tw5] Re: Roam-y style linking for TiddlyWiki, first attempt

[David Gifford]

Thank you all for your comments:

*Jack: *Any thoughts on other ways to make TiddlyWiki function more like 
Roam, or even better?

*Mohammad and HC: *

Mohammad I will make the reference to 'linked and unlinked' clearer.

HC yes, I saw your TOC generic and in a way was trying to improve on it to 
make it more Roam-y. Thanks for the inspiration. But I think yours is 
probably superior in one way since it grabs references to tags and list 
field, etc. I need to study your plugin and Flibbles Relink to see how they 
scan for references. That may be beyond my skill level, but you never 
know...

Here are the new ideas I have to make this even more interesting, and I 
know how to do all these and hope to do them today:

1. Hide tiddler titles in transclude view. Just pure notes. The gray boxes 
are links to the tiddlers anyway. Would be the default viewing option.
2. A tweaked clone button that adds a link to the parent tiddler to the new 
tiddler. Great for creating notes, say, when reading a book. They 
automatically get viewed in the book's reference section.
3. A new journal button with datetimestamp to the second, for loose notes.
4. Incorporate the full screen editor plugin.

I was testing the Roam-y yesterday afternoon, reading electronic books on 
the Bible and adding sources and notes. This already turbo-charged my note 
taking. Imagine how it will be with the changes above. This is exciting. 
This burst of inspiration from Roam may be just what TiddlyWiki was waiting 
for.


On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 1:55:13 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Here is what I am playing with. Thanks to Mat and Mark for their help so 
> far. Still need help, from them or others, to get this right! (see the link 
> for the help I need)
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/roamwiki.experiment.html
>
> Dave
>

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[tw5] Re: Smart TOC and Outlining - Authoring with Tiddlywiki: One step forward

[Mat]

Am I doing something wrong? I still get double entries in the TOC and the 
arrow buttons don't show up: http://els-toc.tiddlyspot.com/
Thinking I might have some other custom stylesheets or similar that 
interfered, I also tried it on a completely new and empty TW, but same 
results.

Nobody else has this problem?

<:-)


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[tw5] Whoever made that full screen editor for TiddlyWiki...

[David Gifford]

...you just made my day. Thank you so much!

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[tw5] Re: Best-practice approach to multi-dimensional array definition and filtering?

[PMario]

On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 12:12:17 PM UTC+2, Rick Yagodich wrote:
>
> I am trying to use TW for a complete, highly-structured outline for a 
> series of books.
>

Hi Rick,
Are you still with us?

This may be of interest: 

See INTRO: Story Editor - Proposal 
   Looking 
for feedback - here in  the group. 

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Work done with TW

[PMario]

Hi Folks, 

Since this thread contains story related comments, I think this topic may 
be interesting: 

See INTRO: Story Editor - Proposal 
   Looking 
for feedback - here in  the group. 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Separate Tiddlywiki Pages/Tiddle "Groups"

[PMario]

On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 8:11:13 PM UTC+2, Spooky Noodle wrote:
>
> That honestly sounds like the best way to accomplish what I'm looking for 
> within the framework of TW. My discord is Spooky Noodle#1335, please give 
> me a shout if you ever get those "bundler" or "story" plugins to work. It 
> would be awesome if I could streamline things that way somehow. 
>

See INTRO: Story Editor - Proposal 
   here in  
the group. It may be interesting. 

-mario

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RE: [tw5] Re: search operator word with dash

[trend...@outlook.com]

@ Mark S
This seems like a nice step in the right direction.
I see that the filter is searching for each search term and appending all 
results for each term to a list.

Would it be possible to select only the tiddlers that are mentioned twice (or 
as much as there are search terms) ? I tried but didn’t succeed.


@Mohammad
Very clever thinking. Nice trick! And thanks for the test setup.

Yes I do want the exact search term. But the problem is when using multiple 
search terms.

When using your setup. If I search for term-1 AND term-14 I want the result to 
be tiddler C (having both term-1 AND term-14).

I don’t want the result to be the tiddlers that have term-1 OR term-14 OR both.


@all helping out
//I will take a look at the list field again and see if I can change it to 
something else. // Everybody happy!




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[tw5] Re: Roam-y style linking for TiddlyWiki, first attempt

[Jack Baty]

I've been practically living in Roam for the past six weeks and the way it 
handles and presents bi-directional linking is the game changer for me. 
It's the *context* that makes all the difference. I display backlinks in 
TiddlyWiki all the time, but only seeing the linked tiddler's title isn't 
that helpful. It forces me to click the link and scan the target tiddler 
for the actual reference. With Roam, that context is always *right there*. 
This is the critical part for me. 

Thanks for working on this, Dave. It's very Roam-like! :)

Jack

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 10:49:51 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> A big thanks to Mark S. for all his help yesterday!
>
> Here is the link again, to the updated file: 
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/roamwiki.experiment.html
>
>
>- Bi-directional linking between tiddlers
>- Based on both linked and unlinked references to the current 
>tiddler's title
>- Regardless of capitalization
>- Options to view as simple links, as transcluded tiddlers or as 
>highlighted search results in context. Or just hide them. 
>- Thanks to Danielo's context plugin.
>   - Snowgoon88's comptext plugin makes linking faster, too. We take 
>off our hats to him or her, and to the fallen 87 snow goons who went 
> before.
>
> Two notes:
>
> 1. I used checkboxes to toggle each viewing option on or off. I am sure 
> there are ways to make a button that both adds a tag to one tiddler and 
> removes tags from other tiddlers, but the TiddlyWiki documentation lacks 
> examples of how to do that. Very strange omission.
>
> 2. For anyone who wants to tweak and bundle this as a plugin, be my guest. 
> The relevant tiddlers are listed in the file. 
>

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[HC Haase]

>
>
>  I checked this with https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
> In HelloThere tiddler I see
> 6 Tagged with *HelloThere *
>
> Why HelloThere is missing here?
>

Ah- thanks. This is due to my bad design choice. The title of the current 
tiddler was set to cursive in order to highlight it. So with  cammelCase 
the links looks like it is missing. I didn't think of that.  I have changed 
this to bold instead.

*Announcement*: TOC Generic
*Date*: 2020/01/27
*Release*: 1.1.1


2020/01/27

   - [Fix] styling of TOC headings. Set to bold so cammelCase won’t show 
   false non-existing link.
   - [Update] readme
   

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Re: [tw5] Default tiddlers do not reload. Bug?

[Mohammad]

Hi Jeremy,
 This issue also occurred with fresh empty.html

Please also see
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/C1-ag-4m_-s/PA5wdQ8AAgAJ

--Mohammad

On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 5:01:01 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Hubert
>
> Thanks for the report. Do you have any plugins or customisations in your 
> wiki? Are you able to duplicate it at https://tiddlywiki.com? What 
> operating system are you using?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> On 5 Sep 2019, at 11:13, Hubert > wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This may be a possible bug.
>
> I have a single tiddler titled Startpage that displays at startup as the 
> default tiddler (defined in 
> $:/DefaultTiddlers). Sometimes the TW home button does not bring me back 
> to the Startpage tiddler but displays an empty story river.
>
> My current setup:
>
>1. 5.1.20 (single file)
>2. Firefox
>3. Storyview: Zoomin
>
>
> Steps to reproduce:
>
>1. Go to default tiddlers by clicking on the Home button
>2. Close all (default) tiddlers (make the story river empty)
>3. Again, go to default tiddlers by clicking on the Home button
>4. Story river is empty (default tiddlers did not load this time 
>around)
>
> I was originally transcluding my default tiddler (called Startpage) in 
> $:/config/EmptyStoryMessage so that I could always see the Startpage 
> tiddler, even if I've closed all tiddlers, by having 
> {{Startpage||$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate}} in the above tiddler's text field. 
> But since 5.1.20, blank story river started showing after the above 
> sequence of clicks, whether EmptyStoryMessage was defined or not (I've 
> tested both scenarios, even with a very simple Startpage that only had 
> 'test' in the tiddler text and having deleted the system tiddler 
> EmptyStoryMessage, removed all styling, macro definitions, any references 
> whatsoever etc.).  
>
> If anyone was able to reproduce the same behaviour please let me know as 
> this could then be a possible bug. Please note that I had not observed this 
> behaviour prior to 5.1.20.
>
> Many thanks,
> Hubert
>
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[tw5] Re: Smart TOC and Outlining - Authoring with Tiddlywiki: One step forward

[Mohammad]

Thanks Eric,

 I will and notify you!
By the way, We need to store the whole hierarchical list dynamically in a 
variable and then take care of what is in $:/HistoryList
and then highlight the entry in the TOC tree! I don't know any way to 
measure the impact of each step.

--Mohammad

P.S: As I noted already the core TOC is not very faster than toc-tree when 
it comes to 1000 tiddler!


On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 1:21:53 PM UTC+3:30, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 7:35:01 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Now the flexible TOC generator works fine and its outliner is really 
>> helpful.
>> My question is how to improve the performance?
>>
>
> I've made a small change to TiddlyTools/TOC/Macros that *might* result in 
> better performance:
>
> Instead of using 
> [title[$here$]tagging[]]
> to drive the tree-walking recursion, I now use 
> [tag[$here$]]
>
> While this is logically the same, the performance of [tag[...]] should be 
> better since, as of 5.1.20, Jeremy added:
> *"pluggable index modules to accelerate the ... tag Operator (in tests on 
> a wiki with 60K tiddlers, startup time is reduced by 25% with these 
> optimisations, and refresh time is reduced by a factor of three.)"*
>
> Update your copy of TiddlyTools/TOC/Macros and re-run your 1000 tiddler 
> test case and let me know if it shows any improvement.
>
> -e
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[Mohammad]

Very efficient in bidirectional linking!

Thank you for sharing!

Best

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 12:14:00 PM UTC+3:30, HC Haase wrote:
>
> *Announcement*: TOC Generic
> *Date*: 2020/01/27
> *Release*: 1.1.0
>
> Now there is an option to change the buttons icons.
>
>
> @Mohammad: thanks, I have fixed it now
>
> @ Mark s: thanks. Can you please call the plugin TOC generic? And 
> description: Adds extended TOC/backlinks/lists to the button of tiddlers, 
> only where applicable. 
>
>
> 2020/01/27
>
>- [Fix] the hide button no longer appear on tiddlers with nothing to 
>show.
>- [New] option to change icon/text of buttons in the readme.
>
>
> Off topic: This is a lazy way of publishing. As this is a small project I 
> just put it here on the forum and I am to lazy to make a demo page. I think 
> the screenshot and description show enough. But is this horrible? Do you 
> feel more reluctant to try the plugin or is it good enough? Just wondering.
>

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[Mohammad]

Good improvement!

 I checked this with https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
In HelloThere tiddler I see
6 Tagged with *HelloThere *

Why HelloThere is missing here?

--Mohammad

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 12:14:00 PM UTC+3:30, HC Haase wrote:
>
> *Announcement*: TOC Generic
> *Date*: 2020/01/27
> *Release*: 1.1.0
>
> Now there is an option to change the buttons icons.
>
>
> @Mohammad: thanks, I have fixed it now
>
> @ Mark s: thanks. Can you please call the plugin TOC generic? And 
> description: Adds extended TOC/backlinks/lists to the button of tiddlers, 
> only where applicable. 
>
>
> 2020/01/27
>
>- [Fix] the hide button no longer appear on tiddlers with nothing to 
>show.
>- [New] option to change icon/text of buttons in the readme.
>
>
> Off topic: This is a lazy way of publishing. As this is a small project I 
> just put it here on the forum and I am to lazy to make a demo page. I think 
> the screenshot and description show enough. But is this horrible? Do you 
> feel more reluctant to try the plugin or is it good enough? Just wondering.
>

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[tw5] Re: zoomin story view: is this a bug? or this is the normal behaviour

[Hubert]

Hi Mohammad,

Glad you've reported this. I have previously asked about this behaviour 
(please see my post here 
) but, 
unfortunately, it just died out.

Following for updates.

Many thanks,
Hubert

On Monday, 27 January 2020 06:15:43 UTC, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>1. open https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>2. set story view to zoomin
>3. from sidebar tools, close all tiddlers
>4. click on Home
>
> Nothing appeasers!
>
> Do this in an empty.html
>
> Is this the normal behavior, Home button is not working for story view?
>
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Roam-y style linking for TiddlyWiki, first attempt

[HC Haase]

Very interesting.. I will have to play a bit more with this.

Your bi-directional linking 

 
thread (and roam) was what got me inspired to make the TOC generic 
 plugin. 
Please have a look. My plugin shows all references for all tiddlers, but 
only when they are there. It is my attempt to make connections more visible.
This experiment however is interesting because you can see the information 
inside the tiddler and not just lists.
Maybe you could use some of the TOC generic plugin, to only show the menus 
if there is something in them.

I will explore this more.

lørdag den 25. januar 2020 kl. 20.55.13 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:
>
> Hi all
>
> Here is what I am playing with. Thanks to Mat and Mark for their help so 
> far. Still need help, from them or others, to get this right! (see the link 
> for the help I need)
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/roamwiki.experiment.html
>
> Dave
>

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[tw5] Re: Smart TOC and Outlining - Authoring with Tiddlywiki: One step forward

[Eric Shulman]

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 7:35:01 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Now the flexible TOC generator works fine and its outliner is really 
> helpful.
> My question is how to improve the performance?
>

I've made a small change to TiddlyTools/TOC/Macros that *might* result in 
better performance:

Instead of using 
[title[$here$]tagging[]]
to drive the tree-walking recursion, I now use 
[tag[$here$]]

While this is logically the same, the performance of [tag[...]] should be 
better since, as of 5.1.20, Jeremy added:
*"pluggable index modules to accelerate the ... tag Operator (in tests on a 
wiki with 60K tiddlers, startup time is reduced by 25% with these 
optimisations, and refresh time is reduced by a factor of three.)"*

Update your copy of TiddlyTools/TOC/Macros and re-run your 1000 tiddler 
test case and let me know if it shows any improvement.

-e



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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[HC Haase]

*Announcement*: TOC Generic
*Date*: 2020/01/27
*Release*: 1.1.0

Now there is an option to change the buttons icons.


@Mohammad: thanks, I have fixed it now

@ Mark s: thanks. Can you please call the plugin TOC generic? And 
description: Adds extended TOC/backlinks/lists to the button of tiddlers, 
only where applicable. 


2020/01/27

   - [Fix] the hide button no longer appear on tiddlers with nothing to 
   show.
   - [New] option to change icon/text of buttons in the readme.


Off topic: This is a lazy way of publishing. As this is a small project I 
just put it here on the forum and I am to lazy to make a demo page. I think 
the screenshot and description show enough. But is this horrible? Do you 
feel more reluctant to try the plugin or is it good enough? Just wondering.

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