>> When I said "because there's no food," I mean that there are a few
>> restaurants that just have zero vegan options, not even a plain potato
>> with a salad. Not even French fries an a salad.
> Why are you a vegan? Veganism can cause all kinds of problems, including
depression, if you don't
@calher I find myself in the same situation as you are. Although I am still
studying and cannot get a job yet, my friends/family do use proprietary
softwares and I do still preach to them that it bad but I doubt that they
listen or open their eyes. I'm not giving up though..
You can add me
I understand. Companionship and hugs do not come about in a vacuum, that's
all. If you focus on puttin yourself in a good place first, companionship and
hugs will follow. You will put yourself in appropriate places/situations.
Others will look for you more, etc.
fb...@runbox.com wrote ..
> If your life is unbearable and you
> are asking for help in a forum, it would be smart to be more receptive
> instead of shooting down all proposed action.
I'm sorry. I just can't go without companionship and hugs.
The point here was the premise that Calher is unhappy, and as I see, all the
advise everyone was giving was aimed at fixing this premise. Obviously,
Calher, and everyone else, can do whatever they want with their life and eat
as they like.
I probably should not say more on this topic, but
Agreed. Similarly, I can come up with this example:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/04/27/there-was-no-love-in-this-kids-life-parents-fed-hot-dog-smoothies-to-starving-6-year-old-boy/
Those parents were morons.
I just pointed all that because I know the story of a vegan family that lost
their child negating him the nutrients that come in meat (yes I know, there
are vegetal alternatives) but the only point was to remember that if you do
it the wrong way you can harm you (and yes ther is the other
great...@riseup.net wrote ..
> My jabber address is the same as my mail. Add me too, you excellent
free
> people.
Added.
jxself: Can I connect to riseup?
:)
My jabber address is the same as my mail. Add me too, you excellent free
people.
This is a public thread, not a PM with Strypey.
That wasn't a message that was meant for you. Whatever happened to not being
a vegan activist, as you proclaimed (by agreeing to strypey with no caveats)
on the previous page? You're just proving what I said to be true.
I still stand by what I said in relation to that: you need to drop the
It's a pain to go into my browser and log in just to respond to forum
posts, but ok...
Split this off to here:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/regarding-veganism
"The Human Being is a omnivorous animal after all."
Indeed, we are omnivorous, not carnivorous. We can survive entirely on a
plant-based diet, and it causes less harm both to animals and to the
environment to consume plants rather than animals. Defending eating meat
because it is natural
Thank you.
In that case, isn't choosing to use free software also a lifestyle choice
that can cause a lot of stress? Except the difference is, using proprietary
software reduces your own freedom a little bit, while consuming animal
products harms others to the point of having no freedom whatsoever.
Veganism does not cause depression, and it's not expensive. Yes, the various
fake meats are expensive, but those are unnecessary. Stop spreading FUD.
What's your XMPP/Jabber address by the way?
Your profile page in the Trisquel forum doesn't tell much, nor your
e-mail signature (non-existing currently).
--
- https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno
- Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com
gratis).
- "WhatsApp"?
> Gajim, but has nothing to do with my client. I got the same issues on
> Pidgin and bitlbee.
I just tried to make jxself aware of this issue. Both in IRC and in XMPP.
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- https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno
- Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com
gratis).
-
IDK. Ask the admin: j...@jxself.org
sure
this only means it is because of provider
does your server support XEP-0352 (Client State Indication)?
> hmm.. what client do you use?
Gajim, but has nothing to do with my client. I got the same issues on
Pidgin and bitlbee.
:):)
you made me smile
hmm.. what client do you use?
we added each other and I share my presence updates with you, but it seems
like you don't..
can you use OMEMO? It supports offline messaging \/
but, anyway, I can not connect to you
I guess you are on your GNU/Linux machine, I am using
I agree with you, it would like that people wasn't as dependant in technology
as they are. It's quite sad to see in a cafe toghether with friends and just
looking to their cellphones not talking to each other. But always remember,
we Human Beings are social beings, we depend for our health
inthefor...@autistici.org wrote ..
> I added you too :)
> I wrote everything which is happening via XMPP, buuut:
>
> calher, did you get offline? I am getting 'remote server not found'
error
I CAN NEVER ADD PEOPLE ON XMPP!
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
I added you too :)
I wrote everything which is happening via XMPP, buuut:
calher, did you get offline? I am getting 'remote server not found' error
> I don't know how much you stay on the computer, but sometimes it's
worth
> going outside to the real world and meet real people. I don't know
if it is
> your case as you may have already done so but I thought it would be
worth
> pointing out.
I don't have access to public transportation
> It is ok to try to follow all the things that people like RMS say,
like "I
> won't even watch a film on a friend's computer because she uses
netflix". But
> as soon as it starts to hurt your social interactions you should
start to
> reconsider and give in a bit (while it is not your
you can write to intheforest at autistici dot org
or intheforest at member dot fsf dot org
I am fine with OMEMO, but if it is comfortable to you, I can use OTR as well
Well I think I'll give my opinion on these topic. Probably much of what I'll
say has already been said but anyways.
If you can't make friends with other peoble because you don't use facebook,
skype or others then those people are not worth having as friends. Real
friends will always prefer
> P.S.
> you can write me whenever you wish [XMPP would be cool, but go with
email if
> you want]
What is your XMPP address?
xmpp:c...@bluehome.net
man, I understand you. I lost my love. Well, in my case the thing is not
about using libre software as it is, but it is about me who can't live
without a dream and my thing which I give my life to - building of free
software world. I spend so much time on this.. This love only makes it
dream big. move to a bigger city and make friends with someone who has
something in their skull. leave this damned town behind. it ain't easy but
thats the only posibility you can find others who can match your needs. maybe
you have family in a bigger city? just an idea. i'm from a
>I feel completely powerless and worthless.
Look, we are at war in an abstract way or in the normal way of it. In your
case, it's the former. The enemy (Microsoft, Netflix, Facebook, Monsanto and
all that kind of things you know) want the ones who fights them to feel like
that and they
stry...@disintermedia.net.nz wrote ..
> "You are welcome to write me a mail btw."
>
> Same goes for for me. I have been trying to put together a group of
people to
> test free code voice and video chat software. Would this be
something you
> might be keen to participate in?
Sure! :D
"You are welcome to write me a mail btw."
Same goes for for me. I have been trying to put together a group of people to
test free code voice and video chat software. Would this be something you
might be keen to participate in?
> If depression is part of a response to severe trauma (eg Post
Traumatic
> Stress Disorder), MDMA may also be effective:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UygZnBTWW0M
MDMA started out as a legitimate psych med and people stopped using it
for good reason.
And yeah: So far, the Xanax is having
"... don't just swallow some meds, try to get the right ones."
Indeed. Nothing sold by pharmaceutical companies has been shown to be as
effective in curing depression (not just managing but actually curing) as
psychedelics. See these talks by scientists on the use of Psilocybin from
magic
Strypey, are you from the NSA? Your responses were written almost
exactly the way I would have written them!
I am in awe with the precision of your understanding and compassion.
Thank you very much for your thorough and gentle explanation.
One more thing:
"Veganism can cause all kinds of problems, including depression"
No, it can't. Despite the FUD recently circulated in the mass media, there's
no evidence of a link between a vegan diet and depression, see:
http://www.theveganrd.com/2017/11/vegetarian-diets-and-depression/
"well, if you care about that person, you can explain how proprietary
software harms her"
This seems like a perfectly reasonably thing to do, right? Even a caring
thing to do. But as with pointing to consumers of liquor and tobacco that the
substance they are dependent on is harming them
"Veganism is a lifestyle choice ..."
Sure, just like not being a cannibal is a lifestyle choice. Again, there is a
lack of respect in this comment that choosing to eat a vegan diet only is
based on ethical beliefs, not aesthetic preferences.
"... implies activism ..."
When someone is
>How does one live free in a nonfree world?
Rejecting non-free software, that is not installing any on a computer one has
the control over (usually their own computer, the one they own, the one they
bought with their own greens). That doesn't mean you must fry hamburgers
instead of using
This is not the case. Most vegans do not refuse to eat at restaurants
that serve meat. The strictest vegan I know of, Gary Yourofsky,
doesn't even refuse to eat at places that serve meat. And he's a
radical vegan that will be a huge jerk if you're traveling with him
and you're wearing fur. And
Thanks.:')
Veganism is a lifestyle choice that tends to be really strict and implies
activism, not just a description of what you eat. A lot of the time, it
involves refusing to eat at certain places because there's a chance that a
tiny bit of meat or egg or cheese might accidentally get into your
That actually sounds like a fine interaction to me. The comment about Netflix
can be deflected because Netflix won't work on your browser. Or, you can ask
them if they brought your computer, because you don't have Netflix.
Calher, from reading this thread, it definitely seems to me that you are
seriously depressed. I am not a psychologist, but like others who have
commented here, I have also suffered from long periods of crippling
depression and anxiety. So I feel you bro, it really sucks to feel like
nobody
I do like and appreciate myself. It's why I stand firm.
Oh, sorry. It's all kind of linear/disorderly in my email client.
> I was hoping for an example from your social life, not from work.
In my room, with only my computer and a cable set top box which I
never use that has Netflix.
"Can we watch X?"
"Sure! Lemme find a torrent! Crap, I can't find it. But I think I
see some other shows on here that you like.
> If I don't hear them speak, I can
> usually convince myself that there's someone in that crowd who would
> have a shred of understanding and empathy for me, and appreciate me.
This is a mindset you have to escape from. I had this mindset, too. It cost
me my sanity, and it could easily have
I just want to ask those suggesting "drop the veganism" how you would react
if you were feeling down and someone suggested you "drop the not eating human
flesh"? It's very disrespectful, because it implies (without explicitly
saying so) that the choice to be vegan is based on superficial,
> I don't believe in trying to go through mental gymnastics to relieve
> the actual problem of not having a place to belong in the world.
I didn't either. But if you make it to the other side, escape from the
darkness, you will see why you were so wrong to think this.
There is an underlying
This is a disproportionate reaction to what I said. Note that the second
message still came before you had responded to the first.
All I'm saying is, eat the food you want to eat. Don't make things harder on
yourself by trying to stick strictly to a perfect vegan diet. I guarantee you
you
> "Hey, let's all play a game. Cal, here's you're controller."
>
> "No thanks, I'm good just watching."
>
> "OK..."
This is anti-social and unreasonable. Take the controller and play with them.
It's not your computer, i.e. not your responsibility.
> "Sorry..." "Well, would you like
> My family just said "take this."
That's terrible.
You don't have to take *some meds* but one prescribed by a good doctor.
You have to find a psych with good reputation, describe your problem and then
you will get medicals that can help you.
During the period of my first time of serious
Exercise is no fun alone.
I don't believe in trying to go through mental gymnastics to relieve
the actual problem of not having a place to belong in the world.
> In particular, drop the veganism. I've heard anecdotes of depression
caused
> by a deficiency of fat in the diet.
Like I said earlier: I do NOT have a fat deficiency. Fat is in
everything I eat. I even eat coconut, the SATURATED FAT kind, to keep
you pseudo-scientific carbophobic jerks
> Why are you a vegan? Veganism can cause all kinds of problems,
including
> depression, if you don't do it right. Especially make sure you're
getting
> enough fat in your diet.
(1) This state/cycle of depression has existed long before I have been
vegan
(2) I'm definitely getting generous
I notice you are on the defensive. The idea of my post was not to make you
feel that you were being attacked but rather giving you advise that has
helped me and others I know.
People's responses and reactions are related to how they perceive you. From
your answer here you come across as
Yes, a balanced diet is very important and an unbalanced diet could be the
cause of many things, including depression. A balanced vegan diet requires
much more effort and care.
All good advise.
Regarding depression:
I used to experience depression, it was constant, and after a while I didn't
even recognize it as depression. I eventually solved it a couple years ago
when I finally accepted a truth about myself I had really known for years,
but always tried to deny out of fear.
fb...@runbox.com wrote ..
> I think you've got some good advise already, but here's my 2 cents
anyway.
>
> 1) Are you suffering from clinical depression or are the external
factors
> depressing you? If it's clinical depression, look for professional
help at
> once, you'll be very happy you
shiret...@openmailbox.org wrote ..
> Software Freedom is an important thing, but to some extent, you have
to think
> about yourself and your happiness.
> For me, making a decent living and not being isolated from society
are more restrictions.
I did give in and use some sort of proprietary web
Thanks.
> If you come to unconventional conclusions about society, use those
> conclusions to change society for the better. Never submit.
I tried. I looked at what money I had after trying very hard to chip
away every luxury until I'm left with the bare costs of my existence
plus reserves
onp...@riseup.net wrote ..
> > When I'm having a bad time because there's no food around, or I'm
> > struggling to avoid using the computers, nobody understands me.
>
> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
Often times, avoiding proprietary software comes to a point of
avoiding computers
Two more things I forgot to mention:
8) Excercise is wonderful. Do you excercise enough? Most of us grew up in a
culture that tries to separate the mind and the body. This is not so from my
experience. The mind and body are one. Excercise will make you feel better: I
guarantee it (money
I think you've got some good advise already, but here's my 2 cents anyway.
1) Are you suffering from clinical depression or are the external factors
depressing you? If it's clinical depression, look for professional help at
once, you'll be very happy you did. If the problems are external, I
Software Freedom is an important thing, but to some extent, you have to think
about yourself and your happiness.
For me, making a decent living and not being isolated from society are more
important than 100% software freedom.
That's why i don't refuse to use whatsapp on my cellphone, though I
"Nobody understands me"
That's me 100%. I can relate to this in a lot of ways. You know what really
grinds my gears? Having to use a Librebooted computer from 10 years ago to be
free.
It isn't something for the masses, but we have to build a future in which the
"newest thing" is something
> When I'm having a bad time because there's no food around, or I'm
> struggling to avoid using the computers, nobody understands me.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
> I want to do this, but it's hard to do because we live far away and
> don't have much gas money to spare.
I don't
> * Talking with my coworkers.
When I'm having a bad time because there's no food around, or I'm
struggling to avoid using the computers, nobody understands me.
> * Going to activity groups, where people do something that I am
interested
> in. Like a board game playing group I go to every
Are you trying to make friends over the Internet? That never works.
I make friends in two ways:
* Talking with my coworkers.
* Going to activity groups, where people do something that I am interested
in. Like a board game playing group I go to every month.
If you're saying that you're such
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