David Miller wrote:
> Judy wrote:
> > Do they have the freedom to make this choice and is this
> > freedom basically God-given. Does God allow people to fail?
>
> Yes, of course. Who would argue otherwise? God allows people to choose
> to sin.
DAVEH: Why do Protestants believe God allows me
In a message dated 11/24/2003 7:14:17 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Laura: The point is that I wouldn't want to offend you and then find out you refused to forgive me even though I'd be doing the right thing by asking.TPW: It would depend on the offense of course. If it's m
Thanks, TPW for answering all the questions! I wondered what you do on Thanksgiving? Do you have any traditions? I guess you can't thank God if you don't believe in Him so maybe you can enlighten us. Laura
Judy:
We do not put people in this category. Jesus did. He would not have said that to people who could not tell a hog or a dog from a lost sheep. Discernment Judy, discernment
jt: Actually it is Matthew 7; if we put every rebel in this category how is the Church to fulfill t
Judy, I didn’t even know that you HAD children. This
was just an example of the ramifications of coddling sin. Do you take
EVERYTHING personally? Never mind. Izzy
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David, Wow; what an impressive man of God. Do you know if he was a Sabbath
keeper? Izzy
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert
Izzy w
Izzy wrote:
> I did a web search but could not find the book you
> are referring to about Hubert Lindsey. Where do
> you find it?
I assume that the book Judy mentioned is "Bless Your Dirty Heart" by
"Holy" Hubert Lindsey. The book is edited by Howard G. Earl, and
published by Logos Internation
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Judy, I had no idea that you raised
your children wrong; sorry to hear it if that is the case.
jt: Wasn't it you who wrote -
I have noticed that parents who have your coddling attitude raise
children who turn out to be monsters. And those parents
Judy, I had no idea that you raised your children wrong;
sorry to hear it if that is the case. Actually, I don’t have
sodomite “friends”, just neighbors and acquaintances. FTR, I will
leave you to your opinions from now on. If you don’t believe me, just ask
the Mormons. J Izzy
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David would you resend the name of the Book about Holy Hubert-I trashed
the info in a clean up of my mail. Thanks bro- your friend in Christ, Dean
Moore
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ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
>
> jt: But that whole system was done away with at the cross. Now we come to
> another sacrifice the Lord Jesus Christ and yes, we should come with the
> understanding that change is necessary but we have no power in and of
> ourselves to change until we receive the indwelling Spirit and the
>
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Judy, Why to examine the role of
'contingency' in your view/s :
You say in another
post "..and they blew it.", meaning, obviously,
that A&E 'blew' ensuing history, as we know it; that A&Es
*so-called* 'free choice' of evil *(I'm leaving plenty of room
for David
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
jt: So Jesus going to the cross
for us is "tough love?" Was his forgiveness toward the woman caught
in adultery "coddling" her?
Izzy says: Yes, in fact that
was the toughest love. Now he expects u
Judy wrote:
> My question to you (and hopefully this will resolve the
> question) is "Does God give man freedom to make his own
> choices?"
Yes.
Judy wrote:
> IOW if two homosexuals do choose to marry, would God
> try to stop them? Strike them dead or whatever?
No. But he might strike them
Laura: The point is that I wouldn't want to offend you and then find out you
refused to forgive me even though I'd be doing the right thing by asking.
TPW: It would depend on the offense of course. If it's mere words, then I
let it slide. If it was however an attack on my kin and blood was drawn
JT: My, my, how things have changed TPW - At first you appeared to be not
entirely humble but at least respectful and willing to dialogue because as
you've been telling us heathens do not proselytize. But we've progressed
from that to taking up an offense over the arrogance of the street
evange
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Laura: WOW I hope I never offend you!TPW: It's ok m'am. I would never harm a lady. We do have manners...TPW
The point is that I wouldn't want to offend you and then find out you refused to forgive me even
Judy, Why to examine the role of
'contingency' in your view/s :
You say in another
post "..and they blew it.", meaning, obviously,
that A&E 'blew' ensuing history, as we know it; that A&Es
*so-called* 'free choice' of evil *(I'm leaving plenty of room
for DavidM to rock 'n roll:)* s
DavidMs position seems quite similar to
Cal Thomas'--he has written on this issue recently, too.
FTR, Speaking of confusion on the matter
(resulting from the retention of certain biases?), in an 'exegetical' sense, it
appears that DavidM and CT both add the adjective 'homosexual', as in th
Laura: WOW I hope I never offend you!
TPW: It's ok m'am. I would never harm a lady. We do have manners...
TPW
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jt: So Jesus going to the cross for
us is "tough love?" Was his forgiveness toward the woman
caught in adultery "coddling" her?
Izzy says: Yes, in fact that was the toughest love.
Now he expects us to do the same, and crucify our o
David you will need to read the article to see in what context
the freedom of choice & contingency question is set. I understand
what you are saying about God ordaining marriage and agree.
My question to you (and hopefully this will resolve the question)
is "Does God give man freedom to make his
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Laura: We are forgiven through the shed blood of Christ on the cross. I think you have it backwards. We forgive and then forget. If you have been wronged and refuse to forgive because you don't think yo
Laura: We are forgiven through the shed blood of Christ on the cross. I
think you have it backwards. We forgive and then forget. If you have been
wronged and refuse to forgive because you don't think you can forget, how do
you find any peace in your life. You must live in constant turmoil.
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jt wrote:
Michael Jackson was raised in a cult and has been confused since he was a child.
The money and fame came early on and further complicated matters. So the curses
on his life were amplified, from the 1980's on you can see him going downhill
Gary wrote:
> How do you two resolve this issue(?)
Gary, I did not have time to read the article carefully that you shared,
and most of the interaction about it has been confusing. It sounded
like maybe you believe that we should be pushing Homosexual Marriage as
a good and proper thing to do? I
Jt
wrote: Michael Jackson was raised in a cult and has been confused since
he was a child. The money and fame came early on and further complicated
matters. So the curses on his life were amplified, from the 1980's on you can
see him going downhill very quickly. Today he is addicted to dr
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ftr, it might be wise to examine a distinction
betw 'freedom of choice' and 'contingency'
Brooks is the one who contrasts the culture of
fidelity with the culture of contingency
and he goes on to define them; what do I need
to examine further?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003
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Judy,
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I didn't find that CNN thing a bit
funny and it saddened me that some of you
did. Michael Jackson is a mess, the product
of a massively dysfunctional home
and presently held captive by the
powers of darkness. Ho
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How do you two resolve this issue(?)
:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:53:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Man's freedom of choice (contingency) is God
given
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>God's ordained plan of marriage. [<--i.e., 'choice/s' are not God
How do you two resolve this issue(?)
:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:53:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Man's freedom of choice (contingency) is God
given
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:51:54 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> > From: "David Miller"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>God's ordained pl
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy wrote:
Yes I hear what you are saying but we should see the Spirit of Christ
in action.
dm: Of course, including the Spirit of Christ going into the Temple and
chasing out those who were defiling it. We should see this same zeal in
action.
jt:
> ## When I see a brother being hurt it angers me-but I cannot let that
> lead me to sin. True Jesus does love sinners but not all sinners-If Esau
> were present in the crowd-could I tell that crowd that God loves you all?
> Didn't God say he hated Esau (Mal 1:2)?
>
> jt: It would be true to say
ftr, it might be wise to examine a distinction
betw 'freedom of choice' and 'contingency'
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:43:37 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
if the NYT publishes this post/article,
you're likely to discover that the Achilles heel is this proposition--if
it's true, below, th
David,
I did a web search but could not find the book you are referring to about
Hubert Lindsey. Where do you find it? However I did find this wesite,
http://www.concentric.net/~Kottca/hubert , which states that Holy Hubert
"sought to apply much of the Mosaic Law to contemporary Christians."
Perh
if the NYT publishes this post/article, you're
likely to discover that the Achilles heel is this proposition--if it's
true, below, then it means that in your view, God ordained, or, is the cause
of, the 'marital' and 'family' choice/s many conservatives dispute
along with the downstream 'con
Judy,
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Message-
I didn't find that CNN thing a bit funny and it
saddened me that some of you did. Michael Jackson is a
mess, the product
of a massively dysfunctional home and presently held captive
by the
powers of darkness. How can we claim to fear God while
lau
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Laura: So what are your beliefs concerning forgiveness?TPW: That we will only forgive when it will be worth it to forget it after.
We are forgiven through the shed blood of Christ on the cross. I think you
I don’t think my daughter-in-law has read the David
Brooks version—neither have I. She is also a Naval Academy grad; so could easily whup my behind! Izzy
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Judy wrote:
> Yes I hear what you are saying but we should see
> the Spirit of Christ in action.
Of course, including the Spirit of Christ going into the Temple and
chasing out those who were defiling it. We should see this same zeal in
action.
Judy wrote:
Judy wrote:
> What about the sid
From: "Carrolll Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Original Message]
jt: OK, I see why you need to talk about the wrath of God against the
unrighteousness of men but still believe that a homosexual can come just
as they are - they can not stay just as they are, and neither can any of
the rest of us.
Dea
From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in part:
...Because adding my two cents isn't enough for the lot of you!! Since
there is a heavy discussion over me and my "Salvation" and intents, I
feel that now I should speak out and plainly concerning the methods used
on my fellow heathens and u
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jt: Within where? Gary...My
belief is that the scriptures are spiritually discerned rather than
intellectual
go: within both realms, J; i.e., it's
biblically a 'both/and' situation; e.g., is your 'belief' intellectually
viable? how so?
jt:
I don't
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Sent: 11/24/2003 6:27:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] HELP!! Gary
Dean,
How's this? (size 12)
Isn't the letter size adjustable there, on your machine(?), e.g., using Internet Explorer, on the top menu bar, go to 'view', then
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Sent: 11/24/2003 6:15:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?
http://www.freegift.net/
Should I add "Fear God" to the scrolling marquee:-)
I have an Idea-For those that have Bible search t
> [Original Message]
> jt: OK, I see why you need to talk about the wrath of God against the
> unrighteousness of men but still believe that a homosexual can come just
> as they are - they can not stay just as they are, and neither can any of
> the rest of us.
Dean writes: In the OT under the
Dean,
How's this? (size 12)
Isn't the letter size adjustable
there, on your machine(?), e.g., using Internet Explorer, on the top menu bar,
go to 'view', then to 'text size' and increase the size
accordingly
Also, check out the preferences and/or view
setup in the specific program you
Laura: So what are your beliefs concerning forgiveness?
TPW: That we will only forgive when it will be worth it to forget it after.
TPW
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:46:09 -0500 "Carrolll Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
even talk like yer
wearin' an FG t-shirt ,Dean, and look what
transpires..
Dean
writes:
Gary could you make you lettering Larger-it would help on the straining of
the eyes. I promise not to accuse you of shouting.
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