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I can change while living under the Old Law, Judy -
No you can not JD; a leopard can not change it's
spots; your old nasty nature will still be the same.
a law, by the way which is complete with sin offerings -
Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I amIfrom above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Adam Clark wrote:
Joh 8:23 -
Ye are from beneath - Ye are capable of murder, and of self-murder too, because ye have nothing of God in you. Ye are altogether earthly, sensual
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I took him to be asking if I think I
will ever be divine; i.e., a God myselfDAVEH:
No..That's not quite what I was asking, Bill. I realize you don't
feel a divine kinship to God
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Excellent points Dean
And you are not trying to cut Him up into
If you think otherwise,
then enlighten me too.
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Dave Hansen makes an ex
Jesus and the Father are of the same substance
DAVEH: What do you mean by substance, DavidM?
David Miller wrote:
There is only one person who is the Father. Clearly, Jesus is
describing likeness. Whether you are Trinitarian or Oneness in
doctrine concerning the Godhead, the vie
ory with God from creation?
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Likeness might mean like but not exactly like, but it also might mean so much like it as to be indistinguishab
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> Judy wrote:>
>> I don't see anything earthy about him.> >&
y is not divine?" (Monday, January
16, 2006)
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ot have a Savior.> > Bill> - Original Message
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> Judy wrote:>
>> I don't see anything earthy about him.> >> Temptation or
no temptation.> > Bill wrote:> > ... then you are still
in your sins and you>
umbled himself, and became obedient
unto death, even the death of the cross.
David Miller
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy
wrote:> Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in every way? Why
couldn't he >
veness of sins and life everlasting.
David Miller.
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I don't see anything earthy about him. Tempta
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The first Adam after the fall did indeed need saving from the wrath of God
Bill
and so do we. Our "humanity" is under a curse along with the rest of
cre
om:
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The first Adam after the fall did
indeed need saving from the wrath of God Bill
and so do we. Our "humanity" is under a curse
along with the r
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:29:01 -0700 "
he took on him
the seed of Abraham.
(17) Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his
brethren
David Miller.
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Subject: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:40:28 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy, you are completely misunderstanding
Bill. When he speaks of the resurrection, he means bodies which are
transformed. You are reading right past him and seeing something that is
not there, much l
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Likeness might mean like but not exactly like, but it also might mean so
much like it as to be indistin
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy wrote:> Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like
US in every way? Why couldn't he have been> like the first
Adam before the fall, the one who was created?
If Jesus were only like the first Adam and not like the rest of us, then he
could only
redee
cd: Good point Bill.
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Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in every way? Why couldn't he
lains further in John 14:10 and John 5:19.
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Only a similitude or likeness even "in every
Judy wrote:
> Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US
> in every way? Why couldn't he have been
> like the first Adam before the fall, the one
> who was created?
If Jesus were only like the first Adam and not like the rest of us, then he
could only redeem those born of his own loins. In order
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:22:24 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I understand. It is mixture; joining
the holy with the profane which is something God hates.
No, it is not a mixture, Judy; it is a union.
Hate to have to break it to you like this
Bill but ther
that Jesus is like the Father, but not exactly like him. Do you see it
differently, Judy?
David Miller.
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:29:01 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
so there is no way that this
woul
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:29:01 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
so there is no way that this would
be the same concept Bill.
Why is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in
"their" likeness? (cf. Gen 1.26).
Yes they did created the first Adam
in their nat
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> Dave Hansen makes an excellent point here. I hope you will be able to
> respond, Bill. I have many passages in the back of my mind that would
> support Dave Hansen on this point.
>
&
Only a similitude or likeness even "in every way" is
not the exact same thing JD.
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If you had responded by saying that the man Jesus did not
have a human mind, or a human spirit, or a human soul, then I would have had
to
If you had responded by saying that the man Jesus did not have a human mind, or a human spirit, or a human soul, then I would have had to disagree; for then he would not have been like us in every way (cf. Heb 2.17).
Like us is "similitude" Bill - it does not mean exactly the "same as" Every h
ssage -
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Taylor
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On Mon, 16 Ja
e and
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:16:00 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I was just wanting to better understand
what you were wanting me to agree with in your statement: we agree if you view the Human p
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:16:00 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I was just wanting to better understand
what you were wanting me to agree with in your statement: we agree if you view the Human part to also have
divine thoughts. Having read your response I am comfortable that
I was just wanting to better understand
what you were wanting me to agree with in your statement: we agree if you view the Human part to also have
divine thoughts. Having read your response I am comfortable that we can
agree. The word "preoccupied" has a ring to it with which I am not complet
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I am speaking of two natures and the idea that "the humanity of C
, 2006 2:49 AM
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He is God and we are not.
DAVEH: In a previous post, you had answered No. when I asked you if you
believe we have divine roots. I realize that we are not God, but yet I
believe there is a
Being human is being "made a little lower than the
angels" I does not of necessity have to include a
"fallen human nature" which is what is implied when one
says that His humanity was not divine. How
one can take such a stand on Jesus being God and ATST
say his humanity was not divine is be
glory.org
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I am speaking of two natures and the
idea that "the humanity of Christ was not
divine"
James wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit
that the
I am speaking of two natures and the
idea that "the humanity of Christ was not divine"
James wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit
that the double minded or double souled person
is unstable in all of his ways... I don't accept the
idea that Jesus had two natures. My belief is that
al
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Dean's a Momma's boy--eh?
cd:-)
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So that I know for sure what you mean to convey, let me ask you: do you as a human have "d
ing like God?
He is God and we are not.
Bill
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Taylor
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My mother always said "To err is human, to forgive
d
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My mother always said "To err is human, to forgive
divine" so I am sure Dean has divine thoughts
I've seen his public forgiveness right on
TT
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:13:41 -0700 "Taylor&qu
o convey,
let me ask you: do you as a human have "divine thoughts"?
Bill
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cd: Bill one of the Mormons prophets Alfonso Snow wrote: As God was so
are we as God is we will be. I think this is close on name and quote if not
fo
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If I understand you correctly, Dean, you
believe that Christ while walking this earth was fully God. I DO
TOO. And if I understand you correctly, you also believe that Christ while
on this earth
gods of their own worlds.
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DH > So.what do you perceive to be the limitations that prevent us from
cd: Yes we agree if you view the Human part to also have divine thoughts.
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If I understand you
Fw: [TruthTalk] love and
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DAVEH As you know, the LDS believe that mortals can
become like God. I assume you agree with the
following. We can become perfect (in a
complete sense) like God. We can know the
difference between good
DAVEH As you know, the LDS believe that mortals can become like God.
I assume you agree with the following.
We can become perfect (in a complete sense) like God.
We can know the difference between good and evil.
We can become one with him, as he (Jesus) is one with his Fath
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Dean,
I think this is where "theology" gets itself tied in
knots. This is what JD has been accusing me of for so long.
How i
It does. See David? No book this!!
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Sent: 1/15/2006 6:49:49 AM
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Dean:I'd ask of you what I asked of DM, namely, outline your own position regarding '
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Divine = God
cd: Lance Webster puts it this way-Note that Christ fits many of the below
Dean,
I think this is where "theology" gets itself tied in
knots. This is what JD has been accusing me of for so long.
How ironic that his mentor Bill would write
something like this. I think Lance just repeated it to qualify
something.
So their Jesus must have a
schism in his personality
Dean,
I think this is where "theology" gets itself tied in
knots. This is what JD has been accusing me of for so long.
How ironic that his mentor Bill would write
something like this. I think Lance just repeated it to qualify
something.
So their Jesus must have a
schism in his personality
good question in
context, Bro
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:59:08 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle
of love in the way that Christ's humanity is included in that
relationship. But as the humanity of Christ is n
Divine = God
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Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that
Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle of love in the way that Christ's humanity is included in that relationship. But as the humanity of Christ is not divine, neither am I divine.
cd: Lance at this point- How do you define "Divine"?
there's something
to Lance's 'equation', below, carefully put; but, 'equation' is a
loaded concept as DaveH knows
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:39:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Judy, rightly IMO, has oft spoken of the
disconnect that may take place betwee
to outline their own position on this.
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Taylor
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Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 14, 2006 08:53
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I
I don't know about all that Lance. What exact
part of him are you calling "his humanity" Is it the body or the
soul?
Also what exactly is a "trinitarian nature?"
These are brand new terms someone has come up with. Could this
be called "adding to the Word of Truth?"
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07
Judy, rightly IMO, has oft spoken of the disconnect
that may take place between theologizing and godliness. Conversely, as
illustrated in this post by Bill, a more thoroughgoing teaching, along with the
apprehension, of the Trinitarian Nature of God ought to issue in that which Jt
speaks of.
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