DAVEH: DavidM.I do hope you are now back online, and OK. My
guess is that you are relatively quiet because you are out ministering
to those who suffered through Katrina.is that a good guess?
Why do you think God allowed Satan to screw up the Lord's plan,
causing such pain and agony
Good plan, David. iz
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Izzy wrote:
... I'd love to cast the devil
Terry wrote:
I have trouble understanding this too, David.
Why did God choose to love Jacob? I can
see His love for Abraham. Abe never questioned
God, never took advantage of others, never hesitated
to follow directions, but Jacob promised to tithe IF.
He conned his brother, took advantage
Izzy wrote:
... I'd love to cast the devil out of her! But how
do I know she would want me to? Do I ask her
permission (she'd never agree that she needs
it.) Would she wind up worse than before?
Ending up worse than before is a very important consideration. I would not
recommend doing
DAVEH: Whew..!:-[
Terry Clifton wrote:
It may surprise you to hear this, but they were not!
Dave Hansen wrote:
DAVEH: And.would they happen to be TTers?
Terry Clifton wrote:
I have known an awful lot of
people who were sick in one way
AMTo:
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the rest of us
At Pleasant Valley they are successful when they
find the spiritual root or
the
reason for the curse to
bethere - followed bythe victim acknowleding,
taking
I like your humor DaveH :)
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:31:37 -0700 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think you made a typo there,
Judy. Were you implying they are ingrates?. :-D Judy Taylor wrote:
I am wondering about your definition of
"intelligent" JD because
I think you made a typo there,
Judy. Were you implying they are ingrates?.
:-D
Judy Taylor wrote:
I am wondering about your definition of
"intelligent" JD because inthe very recent past I can recallyour
wearing out (to the point of throwing up
their hands) - Izzy, DavidM,
it seems demonic to me. izzy -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us David
Miller wrote: The c
Well said, Debbie, and I agree with you with the possible exception of
your last line. To believe the best may be as big a mistake as to
believe the worst. When you do not know, the best thing to say, I
would think, is that you do not know. I have known an awful lot of
people who were sick in
Terry/Debbie:
I don't understand why ppl are so hung up on
"possession" Is the "exorcist" movie responsible for this?
It is not the language of scripture. However, the
fact that we are all under the influence of them to varying
degrees is a scriptural fact and it is for our freedom
that
Can't offer an answer, Judy. Never saw the movie and do not often
think about demons or possession.
Terry
Judy Taylor wrote:
Terry/Debbie:
I don't understand why ppl are so hung up
on "possession" Is the "exorcist" movie responsible for this?
It is not the language of
Same here, on both counts. (Maybe I should think
about it more often?)
Debbie
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:56
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Can't
.
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:49 AM
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I am thinking that a one-to-one association between demonic activity and
conditions affecting certain parts
myth
("shouldn't you..have put out of your fellowship the man who did this?"
is not
advice)
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:59:12 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[the Ap Paul]counselled turning the man
over to Satan..
myth('we'
meaning youand jt fusing demonology/exorcism withcounseling
psychobabblewould bethe deplorable proof--(her) 'Paul as witch
doctor who used Satan to heal incest'orthodoxyreveals theroad
her brand dualismis traveling tolay itsmental overlay on the
bible/church come hell or high
DAVEH: And.would they happen to be TTers?
Terry Clifton wrote:
I have known an awful lot of
people who were sick in one way or another, but only two that I am
certain were demon possessed.
Terry
--
~~~
Dave Hansen
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http://www.langlitz.com
JD wrote:
I think one man was a little too concerned for
the here and now and the other a selfish lying
jerk. Does either of these descriptions sound
like love to you?
Does it sound like love? No, it sounds like maybe you hate both Jacob and
Esau, but you like Esau a little bit better
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:12:30 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
myth('we'
meaning youand jt fusing demonology/exorcism withcounseling
psychobabblewould bethe deplorable proof--(her) 'Paul as witch
doctor who used Satan to heal incest'orthodoxyreveals theroad
her brand dualismis traveling
o: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:52 AM
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of us
I don't think anyone is saying that if the brain is involved then
demons are involved, if that is what you mean by "one-to-one
association." As an example,
It may surprise you to hear this, but they were not!
Dave Hansen wrote:
DAVEH: And.would they happen to be TTers?
Terry Clifton wrote:
I have known an awful lot of
people who were sick in one way or another, but only two that I am
certain were demon possessed.
Terry
I have trouble understanding this too, David. Why did God choose to
love Jacob? I can see His love for Abraham. Abe never questioned God,
never took advantage of others, never hesitated to follow directions,
but Jacob promised to tithe "IF".
He conned his brother, took advantage of his
heyi don't
mind youstrikingdualistic psychobabble fromy/our
conversation/s--aIn't intowitchy orthodoxy
"..this is life
eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus
Christ..While I was [on Earth], I protected[my ppl] and kept them safe
by that name you gave me..My prayer
Izzy in blue:
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I am thinkingthat aone-to-one association
between
Agreed; all disease is part of the curse
that has been laid on this fallen world. However, not all are indications,
necessarily, of demonic activity I believe. iz
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jt: Eczema, bowel cancer
David, I loved your stories. I have absolutely no problem with casting out
devils when it should be done. I simply am unsure of when that is! For
example, this friend of a new friend of mine buddies around with a woman
that is on lithium for a dx of bipolar, and I don't like being around her.
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:28:22 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
clearlythey eventually evicted him--that's all they did, all that Paul meant/expected them to do until the dudegot the message about sin and pride
ftr, women using this info/passage to incorpo
Charles Perry Locke cpl2602@hotmail.comTo:
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-0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
I happen to agree with
you, John, but absence of an example in the Bible does not prove it. In your
e of weeks (who says she is
a Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy -Original
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Judy wrote:True David, God had delivered them out
of Egyptbut it took him a lot longer to get Egypt
out of them- a further 40yrs and one whole
generation perishingin the wilderness to
accomplish this.
Not all of them. Joshua and Caleb were ready. It was not God's
perfect will for them to
John 17:12 Those you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost
except the son of perdition
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speculation, my dear.If repentance is a "change of mind,"
then the return of the money is clearly
Izzy wrote:
Would you expect such success in casting out
demons in cases of Alzheimer's, where there is
atrophied brain tissue?
I've never thought of Alzheimer's being caused by evil spirits. In
Alzheimer's there is definite organic destruction of brain tissue. I
suppose it could be caused
Thank you Terry
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:40:13 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
John 17:12 Those you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost except
the son of
perdition[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us David Miller
wrote: The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to
nded from a thorough going inward wickedness, well, I do not agree with that.
JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:49:09 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
alk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:03:32 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
What do you call those in Romans 1 who were holding the truth in unrighteousness and
who God gave over to a reprobate mind to act in ways that are filthy and unclean? These
ppl
At Pleasant Valley they are successful when they
find the spiritual root or the
reason for the curse to bethere - followed
bythe victim acknowleding, taking
responsibility, and repenting before the Lord.
Deliverance and freedom are
then easy andfor something like Alzheimers they
would pray
the cross present forgiveness to all of humanity except Judas? Wow -- that sounds a little incredible to me.
JD-Original Message- From: Terry Clifton wabbits1234@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:40:13 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest
hTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:23:23
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I happen to agree
with you, John, but absence of an example in the Bible does not prove it.
In your statement, the question might be can a Christian no
JD wrote:
I personally believe that Judas was repentant unto
death. he might have been controlled for a while
-- but, again, I missed the passage that teaches such.
Acts 1:17
(17) For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Luke 9:1-2
(1) Then he called his TWELVE
JD wrote:
Does God look to his apparent change of
heart with any pleasure? Well, I can't imagine
God being disappointed in that particular circumstance.
Does the cross present forgiveness to all of humanity
except Judas? Wow -- that sounds a little incredible
to me.
Was Judas better
evidence (from
jt)of hysteria and cluelessness*:
The man in the church at Corinth [whom theycast outto
Satan]carrying on with his father's wife had a demon of
lust.
Casting
out Satan by the finger of God
is an indication that His Kingdom is come upon us.
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:20:08
. Does the cross present forgiveness to all of
humanity except Judas? Wow -- that sounds a little incredible to
me.
JD
-Original Message-
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:47:06 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
evidence (from
jt)of hysteria and cluelessness*:
The man in the church at Corinth [whom theycast outto
Satan]
carrying on with his father's wife had a
demon of lust.
jt: Correction Mr. Dylan - they turned him
. But you keep looking out for you.
Jd
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:04:42 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
JD; I don't know where you draw
JD wrote:
I personally believe that Judas was repentant unto
death. he might have been controlled for a while
-- but, again, I missed the passage that teaches such.
Acts 1:17
(17) For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Luke 9:1-2
(1) Then he called his
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
Izzy wrote:
Would you expect such success in casting out
demons in cases of Alzheimer's, where there is
atrophied brain tissue?
I've never thought of Alzheimer's being caused by evil spirits. In
Alzheimer's
You might not know, John, but I know.
Peace be with you.David Miller.
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vid Miller.
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I am speaking of a repentance that might effect one's
destiny,not a repentance
No doubt
JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:00:31 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
You might not know, John, but I know.
Peace be with you.David Miller.
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No, I do not agree. "Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated." Profane men do not inherit the kingdom of God. Furthermore, please look at the context in
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I believe "the blessing" in v 17 refers to the birthright.I
do not believe Jacob and Esau is about spiritual values or de
Exactly. God loves those who love Him and those
who seek Him early are the ones who
find Him. So in spite of Jacob's subterfuge he
followed hard after God, fighting with the angel
at Bethel and refusing to be distracted. In spite
of the warts he was on the right track.
On Mon, 22 Aug
What a strange interpretation JD. I guess Esau
shouldn't have been so upset over losing what
he held in such low esteem anyway. So you think
Jacob and his mother outfoxed God and that
everyone makes it anyway so they are just one big happy
family?
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:20:50 -0400 [EMAIL
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They did not steal anything, but let me see if I have your perspective right. You hate Jacob [because of lies, cunning, and deceit], but you love E
: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
What a strange interpretation JD. I guess Esau shouldn't have been so upset over losing what
he held in such low esteem anyway. So you think Jacob and his mother outfoxed God and that
everyone makes it anyway so they are just one big happy family?
On Mon
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You need to learnhow to be little more subtle,
David.
I believe my point was concerning the birthright and Heb.
12:17
e are not talking about rejection of the Lord." -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke cpl2602@hotmail.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:23:23 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
I happen to agree with you, John, but absence of
ood.
JD-Original Message- From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:51:45 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
They did not steal anything, but let me see if I have your perspective right. You hate Jac
re: 'they',
below,inclusive of Satan, not everyone in the Corinth church agreed
(partic with Paul)on how to handlesuch behavior which is interesting
NT fact about which you are clueless--in raw NT terms,the man
was banishedby the majority--there ain't no fellowship betw darkness and
light
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the rest of us
It would be
impossible for anyone with Alzheimers or severe dementia to do anything like
acknowledge responsibility or repent. One of our pastors is a youngish
(mid 40s?) man who has Parkinsons. It doesnt affect one
mentally
aily theme.)
It nearly destroyed my girl.
Sometimesthe worst demon is our religion.
JD
-Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak debbie@kest.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:49:49 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
I am thinkingthat a
Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Saturday, Augu st 20, 2005 12:00
PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us David
Miller wrote: The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to
convict believers of various sins, such as stealing,
Spoken like a man who has never suffered
PMS. J izzy
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Wrong
Its kind of like hugging a
porcupine.
From:
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Though
they act like their own worst enemy - they want to be loved. But
you probably know that already. jt
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Of David Miller Sent: Saturday, Augu st 20, 2005 12:00 PM
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David Miller wrote: The concept that the Holy Spirit is
working to convict believers of va
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sin - and the rest of us
I know it sounds abhorrent and we don't
like to think about it but the Holy Spirit andthe other spirit can be
there
at the same time. This
istrue when one comes to the Lord; it is so in this world system
ouple of weeks (who says she is a Christian by
the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy -Original
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JD wrote:
I think it's true that we receive much from
God before we are even really aware of it,
and only later it dawns on us that he was at
work in us. But that doesn't mean it was me
all along, or that everything I did all my life
was right. It means that if I did any living of
the truth
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David Miller wrote:
The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to convict
believers of various sins, s
: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:37:47 -0400
Christian's cannot have demons, Linda. Don't listen to me on this. Just
go to your bible and try to find one who did not
there. As long as the mind is set on the Spirit to any
Debbie,
What is a "prima facie" reason?If your FIL's
problem was not demonic then why do you suppose he would lash out
at those who love him the mostin such an erratic
fashion? The mancertainly has the kind of lifehistory that would
cause him to bea prime candidate
forsuch. As for the
, August 20, 2005 11:25
PM
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rest of us
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So why do you put
Christian in quotesis she or isnt she? I know I struggled for years with
debilitating depression. The only therapy
: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin -
and the rest of us
Debbie,
What is a "prima facie" reason?If your FIL's
problem was not demonic then why do you suppose he would lash out
at those who love him the mostin such an
erratic fashion? The mancertainly has the kind of
lifehistory
Thank you for sharing Debbie,
If you would care to share about your experiences in
Nepal, I'm sure it would be an interesting read. judyt
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:51:34 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Judy, I'm not making an argument, actually;
I'm just sharinga
in the fact
that God is merciful as well as just. izzy
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My latefather-in-law, a very
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What about the ppl Jesus and the disciples cast them out of - they were God's Covenant ppl weren't
they? The man in the church at Corinth carrying
-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:28:42 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
JD wrote:
I think it's true that we receive much from
God before we are even really aware of it,
and only later
an by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy -Original Message-
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[TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
if we are not talking about rejection of the Lord." -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke cpl2602@hotmail.comTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:23:23 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
I happen to agree with you, John, but absence of an example in
Well, he certainly was a disciple.
Jd-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:43:18 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
Was Judas a Christian IYO?
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Couldn't resist that little dig huh JD? I have to agree that demons major in
speculation and all kinds of complicated and varied theologies. Do you know some
of them are expert in Greek and they just love logic. What they hate is the W
s (who says she is a Christian by the way), and
it seems demonic to me. izzy -Original Me
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A disciple who died demon possessed - proving thatit can be done JD
On Sun, 21 Aug
. But I do need scripture and not speculation alone.
JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:49:24 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
Possibly one of your "free f
Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:40:14 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
And what about those who say they are Christian givingHim lip service but whose hearts are far
from Him and who deny Him by their very
Judy wrote:
I don't believe He has more than one image
David; I don't refer to his outer form. I am
speaking of His nature and character which
has never changed.
Consider the following passage:
Hebrews 5:8-9
(8) Though he were a Son, YET LEARNED HE OBEDIENCE by the things which he
suffered;
Izzy wrote:
But who knows how much is chemical and
how much is spiritual in any given mental illness?
Just because certain symptoms are tied to a chemical basis, this does not
mean that spirits are not behind it.
Smith Wigglesworth's testimony of being healed of appendicitis involves some
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Izzy wrote:
But who knows how much is chemical and
how much is spiritual in any given mental illness?
Just because certain symptoms are tied to a chemical basis, this does not
mean that spirits are not behind
Izzy wrote:
David, I don't understand your meaning here.
Jn: 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the
world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father,
and ye see me no more;11 Of judgment,
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This way of looking at it doesn't seem impossible to me. The operative point for me in your expositionis "all that I have done has been accomplished in God"--i.e., not in and of myself, as a result of my spiritu
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Debbie, you wrote these words in a post ot David: I was very conscious,
when real faith
Debbie wrote:
Yes, it really was like being approached by an
invisible someone who knocked me over with
a wave of love.
Yes, I understand that he once was not there as he now was, but in what way
did you finally perceive him? Was it external, as by one of the five senses
of your physical
OK, David. Thanks. I think we agree that the means
of lightingis not the source, that the ultimate source is God,
and that we need revelation. That's far enough. The thinking
continues!
Debbie
Yes, I understand that he once was not there
as he now was, but in what way did you finally
David Miller wrote:
The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to convict
believers of various sins, such as stealing, lust,
covetousness, etc. is dangerous.
Judy wrote:
Why do you see this as dangerous David?
Because people confuse the voice of the Spirit with their own inner
convictions.
to the destructive nature of the lie that is known as "roughed individualism" (read:autonomy).
Jd-Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak debbie@kest.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:11:26 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
John,
Miller
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David Miller wrote:
The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to convict
believers of various sins, such as stealing, lust,
covetousness, etc. is dangerous
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Really interesting analogies, Judy and David. I'll think about that a
lot.
By the way, the enemies in the land comment leads me to ask if anyone
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You are asking the wrong question, as I wonder about these things myself
from time to time. Can a true Believer have a demon? Be oppressed? Be
possessed? What's
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