Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
DAVEH: OK Kevin..I'll bite. I believe it, and tried to explain how/why I believe such yesterday as best as I understand it, but probably did an inadequate job of conveying what little I know, so would you please explain how Jesus was the ONLY Begotten of the Father, Kevin? I am assuming

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, If you see nothing wrong with the speculations of the mormon leaders regarding the nature of the conception of Jesus, then perhaps you do not regard the virgin birth as an important doctrine, or perhaps you see nothing heretical about suggesting that jesus was conceived in the same

Re: [TruthTalk]back tot he Garen

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, do these count? Daniel 3:25 - He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. Daniel 7:13 - I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Do you have any references from the DC about the nature of the conception of Jesus? DAVEH: No. I read the two BoM references you gave and agree that they support, or at least do not contradict, the virgin birth as described in Matthew. DAVEH: So

Re: [TruthTalk] JS probably did not invent Quakers on the Moon

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Soin absence of Dean answering my below question, do you know what he is talking about, Perry? I vaguely remember somebody posting some stuff about moon men and LDS theology several years ago, but don't recall the details. A quick search of the net didn't get me very far, and

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
DAVEH: I do believe you are rambling, Brother Dean. Take a couple aspirin, a deep breath..and if you want to ask me a sincere question, please put it in a cogent post. But if you would rather rant, please be advised that other people may be reading this anddo you really want others to

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
DaveH, give us the lowdownare there 7 foot quackers on the moon or not??? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 8:27 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the

[TruthTalk] praise report

2005-10-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Just a praise report to thank the Lord for His protection over my son, Todd, and his wife, Shirley yesterday. I tried to call Shirley on her cell phone yesterday afternoon at the exact moment she was trying to call me on mine. It turned out that she was calling me to tell me that they had

Re: [TruthTalk] Back tot he garden

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
cd:I am putting the ASV wording below-Question can a person be saved at a young age? If so can they be lost at a young age? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/21/2005 8:55:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Back tot he garden Wow! Big

Re: [TruthTalk] correction

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
Chunky style barnyard seems to bea theological theme of yours, Dean. What's up withdat? You think Jesus had no DNA. Mary had no pain in child birth?Christ did not need to learn"ways of life?" Again, DH has spoken clearly on this. Why not discuss something substantive and break

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/21/2005 10:41:08 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Man, Dean. You sure do know how to reel 'em in !!! This is great. You should publish this posted reply and mail it to as many morman folk

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
Apparently DH says he is a mormon but he does not believe what the "officials" teach. Either that or the English language just does not mean what it says![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about what DH believed. When did the subject change? Jd-Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/21/2005 4:52:29 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Stop beating around the bush,Dean. Tell us what you really think. Just be careful 'bout them ad homs. cd: Brother Terry I'm am

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Yes, I did read that post. My point remains :7 ft Quakers is a part of this discussion because ? I would say that whatever the reason, DH is not a co-believer in the Quaker theory. How can anyone believe in 7 Quakers? For the same reason one might believe that

Re: [TruthTalk] JS probably did not invent Quakers on the Moon

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Soin absence of Dean answering my below question, do you know what he is talking about, Perry? I vaguely remember somebody posting some stuff about moon men and LDS theology several years ago, but don't recall the details. A quick search of the net

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Taylor
After the birth of Christ, Mary was still a virgin. Surely we all believe this !! I don't. After his conception, Mary was still a virgin. After his birth, ... well, think about it. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
Thank you Kevin for this helpful info-To the other members on this site-I think some type of Mormon spirit have taking hold of most here. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 12:26:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
DAVEH: I do believe you are rambling, Brother Dean. Take a couple aspirin, a deep breath..and if you want to ask me a sincere question, please put it in a cogent post. But if you would rather rant, please be advised that other people may be reading this anddo you really want others

Re: [TruthTalk] praise report

2005-10-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Old men are a menace to society. Someone should do something. It is all the fault of George Bush. ShieldsFamily wrote: Just a praise report to thank the Lord for His protection over my son, Todd, and his wife, Shirley yesterday. I tried to call Shirley on her cell phone

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, I read the two BoM references you gave and agree that they support, or at least do not contradict, the virgin birth as described in Matthew. DAVEH: So does it still bother you that I do *not* believe in the literal sex

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
You use Brigham as an Authority in your response. Now if I quote Brigham you will repudiate him too. Why can't you admit LDS Doctrine is FULL of ERROR? Still you have not identified the actual erroneous doctrine involved , what could it be? Why does the Church still REpublish quotes from Orson

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Perry to view a Mormon leader as a heretic is to assume that their Religion has a structure as ours does-it does not.A prophet of the church is always right and the residing prophet's teaching overrule all other teachings ever giving- even J.Smiths.So when they make their statements it is law

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why does the LDS god have an erection in the STANDARD WORK? Can someone explain this away?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Do you have any references from the DC about the nature of the conception of Jesus?DAVEH: No. I read the two BoM references you gave and agree

Re: [TruthTalk]back tot he Garen

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Very much so !!But few if any could truly understand the significance of "Son of God" and "Son of Man" apart from the self-revelation that isIncarnate Christ !! True? JD-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Moronically ???:-) I would believe in a virgin birthwhether the Bible give us that word or not !! Now, as to the 7 quoted points , below. I can see how each could be defended or spoken without debasing thevirgin birth. God DID SOMETHING TO MARY. Beyond that, I personally believe we waste our

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Correction of sorts. Specualtion in and of itself has nothing to do with what I believe, I hope. JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:22:38 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Moronically ???:-) I

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Bill, what constitutes a loss of virginity, knowing a man, or having a baby? I surmise the former. (Since this is aone-time event, we certainly have no precedence!) Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? Matt 1:24-25: Then Joseph being raised

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, the point is not whether Dave believes in 7-foot quakers on the moon or not...it is whether JS can be trusted to lead a church after making such a ludicrous statement. After all, he IS supposed to be a prophet! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To:

Re: [TruthTalk]back tot he Garen

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Basically true, but you saidis was uniquely new covenant, but these verses show it is not. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]back tot he Garen Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:25:38 -0400 Very much so !! But few if

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 9:15:33 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Yes, I did read that post. My point remains :7 ft Quakers is a part of this discussion because ?

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Taylor
C. Perry writes Bill, what constitutes a loss of virginity, "knowing" a man, or having ababy? I surmise the former.(Since this is a one-time event, we certainly have no precedence!) Perry, I certainly agree with you concerning the lack of precedence. Mary conceived without having "known"

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
No, I was not aware of the perpetual virginity doctrine of the RCC. From: Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:41:08 -0600 C. Perry writesBill, what

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 10/22/2005 10:45:43 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter No, I was not aware of the perpetual virginity doctrine of the RCC. cd: Interesting as the bible states that

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Yes, Ido see the point. But did he make this statement ? Did he make this statement as a prophet of God? Is this a statement of faith for the Mormon religion? The prophets of old were not inspired in their daily comings and goings. I am sure they spoke and id things that were not in line with

Re: [TruthTalk]back tot he Garen

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
When I said that these were uniquely NT presentations, I meant just that. They are uniquely NT presentations. What do we know of the "Son of Man" or the "Son of God" after reading the references in Daniel. Not much --- in fact, next to nothing. The idea of Father God, one who cares enough

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 11:30:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Yes, Ido see the point. But did he make this statement ? Did he make this statement as a prophet of God? Is this a statement of faith for

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:30:26 -0400 Yes, I do see the point. But did he make this statement ? History records that he

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:16:08 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 9:15:33 AM

Re: [TruthTalk]back tot he Garen

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
You're right. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]back tot he Garen Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:39:59 -0400 When I said that these were uniquely NT presentations, I meant just that. They are uniquely NT

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 11:57:18 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter -Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:16:08

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:49:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Are you saying that the Mormon church has an official position on their prophets that teaches them to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke cpl2602@hotmail.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:57:12 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
In my first response I failed to notice the other comments below so to answer them in short-There are a lot more thing wrong with the Mormon Church then "Grace and Immersion" I am not going to name them all for you and then prove them with multi-copy documentation or be called a liar . -

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
cd:The Mormons claim that their prophets are always correct. DAVEH: ??? Who, when and in what context was such a claim made, Dean??? Maybe you have us mixed up with the RCC folks, who believe in the infallibility of the pope. We (LDS) have no such illusions. Our leaders are fallible. Dean

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Terry Clifton
I was joking when I asked when you were going to tell us what you really think. You made your feelings abundantly clear. I guess one ad hom deserves another. Kinda like turning the other cheek, huh? Dean Moore wrote: -

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 12:56:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter -Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:49:33

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Taylor wrote: After the birth of Christ, Mary was still a virgin. Surely we all believe this !! I don't. After his conception, Mary was still a virgin. After his birth, ... well, think about it. = I thunk.

[TruthTalk] nice picture

2005-10-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Hey, SmithsonI finally found your photo online. Izzy Subject: FW: Hey Dork nice picture he's right. Click on here it has your drivers license http://www.license.shorturl.com/

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 1:26:16 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter cd:The Mormons claim that their prophets are always correct.DAVEH: ??? Who, when and in what context was such a claim made, Dean???

RE: [TruthTalk] praise report

2005-10-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Youve gotta stop rushing to the casinos Terry. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 6:34 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] praise report Old men are a menace to society.

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Hymen has nothing to do with it. She never had sexual intercourse until after Jesus was born; hence His brothers and sisters. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taylor Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:41 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 1:37:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter I was joking when I asked when you were going to tell us what you really think. You made your feelings abundantly clear. I

RE: [TruthTalk] nice picture

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Izzy. Something must be wrong with that driver license thing. I typed in John's name, but it came up with your picture! From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] nice picture Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005

RE: [TruthTalk] nice picture

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Got me on that one izzy :-) -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 2:26:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Taylor wrote: After the birth of Christ, Mary was still a virgin. Surely we all believe this !! I don't. After his

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Taylor
Hymen has nothing to do with it. She never had sexual intercourse until after Jesus was born; hence His brothers and sisters. izzy Au Contraire! Sometimes I think you all just want something to argue about. Do you think God chose a girl whose hymen had been ripped riding horses? Of course

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Asked and answered several times. Jd-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:02:02 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter DaveH, give us the lowdown?are there 7 foot quackers on the moon or

Re: [TruthTalk] praise report

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
I was wondering what evil Todd had done to deserve this judgment? That is what hard times indicate, right? JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:21:35 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] praise report Just a praise

Re: [TruthTalk] correction

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Good enough. Jd-Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:51:12 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] correction Chunky style barnyard seems to bea theological theme of yours, Dean. What's up withdat? You

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Was your reference written by the same guy who said, "as much as is in, be at peace withothers" or "Ibecome all things to all men so that by all means, I might save some" or " love is kind, is not arrogant, does not seek its own?" DH is a guest here on TT, is he not? In no wise does his conduct

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
You have yet to show an official anything. We wait with baited breath (says the fisherman to his chums). JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:27:39 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Actually, it is called "love your neighbor as yourself"and "do unto others as you would have them treat you" -- rather than the SP's motto of "do unto others." JD-Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct

Re: [TruthTalk]back tot he Garen

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
We are discussing. I want you to know that I am not trying to cram any of this down your throat. You are respected by me. I just thought you misunderstood what I was saying. I probably do not need to say all this - but I do want to be clear. Goodnews on the agreement !! seriously. JD I like

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Do you understand my point? What do you think I said when referring to grace and the like? JD-Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:57:41 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter In my first response

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
JD and all his little remarks of wisdom-but who listens? - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 3:59:13 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Actually, it is called "love your neighbor as yourself"and "do unto others as you

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
Thisis of course you opinion-andI have heard it so-hence forth mind you own business andI will mind mine JD. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 3:55:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Was your reference written by

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
cd: I have no more to say to you at this time-go ask you Mormons brothers. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 4:11:44 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Do you understand my point? What do you think I said when

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
The biblical account clear presents a God who deals with man on a personal and individual manner. What Christ says to the rich young rule is not what he said to the adulterous woman. None of the evangelical sermonsrecorded in scripture present a uniform formulaic presentation regarding the "plan

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Ain't going to happen, Dean. When you speak in such a manner, the Smithmeister will probably say something. This is a discussion group. DHremains here by consent. He does not work against you and whatever your theologyincludes. It is unreal to argue that he must not defend himself. AND YOU ARE

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
I didn't think so. Jd-Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:22:27 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter cd: I have no more to say to you at this time-go ask you Mormons brothers. -

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Dean Moore wrote: - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 1:37:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter cd: I can agree with turning the

Re: [TruthTalk] A litle footbal news

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
It is currently 28 -10 - RCC over those pesky Mormons. JD

Re: [TruthTalk] nice picture

2005-10-22 Thread knpraise
Man love back at ya !! JD-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:12:17 -0700Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] nice picture Izzy. Something must be wrong with that driver license thing. I typed in John's name, but it

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Taylor wrote: Hymen has nothing to do with it. She never had sexual intercourse until after Jesus was born; hence His brothers and sisters. izzy Au Contraire! Sometimes I think you all just want something to argue about. Do you think God chose a girl whose hymen had been

Re: [TruthTalk] JS probably did not invent Quakers on the Moon

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Soin absence of Dean answering my below question, do you know what he is talking about, Perry? I vaguely remember somebody posting some stuff about moon men and LDS theology several years ago, but don't recall the

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Taylor
Terry wrote According for the example you just gave, there are virgins who have ruptured hymens. This being so, we cannot conclusively say that a torn hymen is a sign of a non virgin. If we want conclusive proof, we must examine God's word, which assures us that she was a virgin. No

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, I read the two BoM references you gave and agree that they support, or at least do not contradict, the virgin birth as described in Matthew.

RE: [TruthTalk] nice picture

2005-10-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
LOL!!! Ya never know what these computers will do to malfunction. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:12 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] nice picture

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
LET ME SPELL IT OUT TO YOU BILL; THE HYMEN CONDITION AFTER THE BIRTH OF CHRIST WAS NOT AN ISSUE. MOVE ON, IZ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taylor Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:09 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Hey Perry.I'm beginning to understand why you get so easily confused. If you are learning LDS theology from Dean, you are likely thinking what he said below is strictly and 100% true. I've mentioned this before, but I'll do it again in case it was prior to you joining TT...

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
DAVEH: I never said that you did backstab me, Dean. Dean Moore wrote: DAVEH: I do believe you are rambling, Brother Dean. Take a couple aspirin, a deep breath..and if you want to ask me a sincere question, please put it in a cogent post. But if you would rather rant, please

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Vacuity?? Really, the voice of wisdom is inaudible to some. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taylor Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:17 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
DAVEH: OK Dean.Kevin has posted quite a bit of material below. Please point out where any of those quoted use the term intercourse or sex. Lacking that, it would seem you've been misquoting/misstating/misunderstanding their comments. Dean Moore wrote: Thank you Kevin for this

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Not that I am aware of, Izzy. Dean brought it up as though I believed itbut I don't. I'm not sure where Dean is getting his info, as it doesn't quite coincide with Perry's explanation. It does seem though that Dean is intent on spreading misinformation about what I believe.

Re: [TruthTalk] A litle footbal news

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Yeah JD. And they beat us up goodAlmost as bad as Dean is beating me up! ;-) BTW.To top it off, they set a few school records in the process. =-O [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is currently 28 -10 - RCC over those pesky Mormons. JD --

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
DAVEH: At the risk of stirring the dieing ashes, I'm now wondering what you folks think about artificial insemination. Can a virgin be artificially inseminated and have a virgin birth? If so, then a virgin birth may not be such a unique event. BTW..I'm not trying to stir up more

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Taylor
LET ME SPELL IT OUT TO YOU BILL; THE HYMEN CONDITION AFTER THE BIRTH OF CHRIST WAS NOT AN ISSUE. MOVE ON, IZ Nor have I made it one. Move on, Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:25 PM

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2005-10-22 Thread Terry Clifton
For all you folks who are looking for another course to complete your education. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46973 WorldNetDaily Professor Exterminate white people.url Description: Binary data

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Taylor
Not unique today perhaps (you would have to ask David M.)-- but very much so two thousand years ago. Bill - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dave
cd:I'm not going to spend the rest of my time on TT giving you proof for every thing I say DAVEH: Nor can you, Dean. When one contrives false information, it is impossible to give proof. I guess that is why you would suggest that I will have make it to heaven in order to proof anythingit

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Taylor wrote: Why is this so difficult for you? A girl can have a torn hymen and never have had sex, but she cannot be a virgin ifshe has had sex: her hymen renders that impossible. Methinks you place too much value on the evidence of a hymen. I knew one girl in my

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave wrote: DAVEH: I just did respond, Izzythe TT traffic is more than I can keep up with today! If you go back and read the quotes Perry linked to, it was not even Quakers that were quoted. As I remember, JS is reputed to have said they were dressed like Quakers.

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Taylor
- Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Taylor wrote: Why is this so difficult for you? A girl can have a torn

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 6:34:12 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter DAVEH: I never said that you did backstab me, Dean. cd: More Mormon crap.Dean Moore wrote: DAVEH: I do believe you are rambling,

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Dean Moore
cd: lies and the Mormon spin all I have to do is wait you out mouth-your judgement is coming-so just keepon doing your thingy with the fools you have surrounded yourself with-I,ve been patient thus far I can do it a little longer. - Original Message - From: Dave To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
It is OK don't fret God the father Mary were married! "God, the Father of our spirits, became the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh ...The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
Begotten has nothing at all to do with the birth of Jesus, folks. Good thing I stick around orsome of you would really get confused !! Maybe you could answer this SUNDAY SCHOOL question, or is it too advanced for you? Now, we are told in scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Kevin Deegan wrote: Begotten has nothing at all to do with the birth of Jesus, folks. Good thing I stick around orsome of you would really get confused !! Maybe you could answer this SUNDAY SCHOOL question, or is it too advanced for you? Now, we are told in scriptures that Jesus

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
Are you saying that the biblical prophets were infallible in all that they said and did? 1 Sam 3 And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground. Perhaps you have some errors that Samuel propagated? Perhaps you have some errors that Jeremiah

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening called the moon? ...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of

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