Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, Do you really believe that you have the power to pronounce that someone is a Christian, or is not a Christian? Those are mighty big shoes that you are trying to fill. If, however, you are just stating your opinion, and not stating something that you know for sure, it would be

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: When some TTers accuse us (Mormon TTers) of not being Christian, do ponder the same question, Perry? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Blaine, Do you really believe that you have the power to pronounce that someone is a Christian, or is not a Christian? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blaine, I would like to offer a few critical coments on what I believe is an over-inflated impression of the BoM. Blainerb wrote: ... The phonetic spelling of caractors really just points up how little formal education JS had (3rd grade). Yet he wrote a book (The

Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, take a breath. It was a joke. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in... Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:16:15 EDT Nice try, but Michael's skin

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
If so, then, yes, I ponder the same question. However, while there may be some who call themselves mormons, yet have rejected the false gods of mormonism and embraced the only true God and Christ, those that continue to adhere to the false gods of momonism, according to the Bible, are lost.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I sure don't want to speak in Blaine's behalf, but when I read his comments it just seemed to me he was tossing back that which has been tossed at him numerous times. Perhaps he was just trying (blowing smoke as you put it) to see what kind of response would be returned...I don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, this is great. Midnight, just me and you on TT, mano y mano, so to speak :-) I guess I am biased in that way, because both you and Blaine admit to following the christ and jesus of mormonism, so it is my opinion that you are lost since I believe that they are false gods. If I thought

[TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: YeahPretty quiet on TT tonight.. Do you believe that those who believe in Jesus are saved, as I've heard many Christians proclaim? If belief is inadequate, what else is needed, Perry? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, this is great. Midnight, just me and you on TT, mano

RE: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, Romans 10:9,10 : That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. But,

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I fully understand that, Perry. But I'd feel more comfortable letting God make that judgment than you. Charles Perry Locke wrote: David, Romans 10:9,10 : That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave. Look at me. He has already made that judgement, not me. He wrote it in the Bible so that I can know the real Jesus and God, and not go chasing after false ones. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
The Average Mormon? Ask every Mormon who was Oliver Granger and find out. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine: Who is the "Average Mormon?" In a message dated 6/15/2005 3:15:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How come when you ask the average Mormon, they do not know who

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
LDS Theology does not even get that right. Satan is not the fruit of God's loins. Satan holds your soul sacred in that he wants you to go down to Hell with him. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
So how do you determine which Spirit is True which spirit is false? By your feelings?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: I agree with your comment, Kevin--but the question is, who are the false Christs and false spirits? Kevin, everything you say to berate is a double-edged sword. And

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Anyone who is is active and speaks out is labeled. Those inside the "church" gety EX'ed Or gets put on the list Watch out.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Where did you get that definition, Kevin? I don't view it that way at all. If it were so, then I would be considered to be an

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Fruit of God's loins??? Give me a break. Next you will be trying to tell me me that God has a mother!!! On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 05:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LDS Theology does not even get that right. Satan is not the fruit of God's loins. Satan holds your

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-19 Thread Judy Taylor
By the burning bosom from what I've observed. jt On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 05:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So how do you determine which Spirit is True which spirit is false? By your feelings?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: I agree with

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Yes, but where they "Contending for the faith"? Please show me where God admonished Paul, for his "much contention" Show me where Elijah was admonished in the scriptures for MOCKING. In fact right after Elijah Mocking the prophets of Baal, God answered his prayer. God Mocks Prov 1:26 Because I

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Look again carefully, do you contend that it was "reformed Eygptian" that first used the "caractors" 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 ?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/16/2005 3:20:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Contention

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
So you accept this scripture? When are you gonna stop the "foolish genealogies"? No contending about the Law! It applies to ALL Where do you get thye teaching that "contention is of the Devil"? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: And you know LDS say contention is of the

Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
You misunderstand I meant funny Ha Ha Desparate for a laugh?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Blainerb: You call that a "good one?" Ha! Now I know you are desperate!! LOL n a message dated 6/16/2005 3:29:08 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL You guys come up with some good

Re: [TruthTalk] lost kids

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
What do you know about preaching? Do LDS preach, ever?I know they speak but can they preach? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: Good thoughts, Terry, butwith the last one (in red) I have to take exception. Street Preachers do not preach, which if done right is a form of teaching--they simply

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:04:22 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah JD you are disingenious from the start. While claimingto be a pastor and not a theologian

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
The Titian Truth (Titus 3:9-11) is an easy one to figure out IMO. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 05:12:52 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience So how do you determine which

Re: [TruthTalk] lost kids

2005-06-19 Thread Terry Clifton
I am certain that what you say is true of some preachers, Blaine, but you cannot reasonably say that they are all stamped with the same mold. I would suggest that the majority of them are led by the Lord to do what they do. Sometimes, as John the Baptist did, it is necessary to shout and

RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Izzy, I think you have stated an inconsistency. You say The second sentence is incorrect. (The Law was for the Jew but no more), then you say the levitical [law] which has been done away with. When the law is mentioned in the bible, it is the levitical law. Do you beleive that jesus came

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE LAW WAS NOT MADE FOR JEWS! Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread ttxpress
ftr, jt's commentexamplifies one of severalconceited American traditions--Fundamentalist-dispensationalism; neithertradition, below,reads the text/s of Scripture for what is said, only for what it is 'supposed' to say, as below;which means there is a typicalor consistent

[TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Good morning, mister Hansen. I have a serious request. Can you explain to me how Mormons will have wives in Heaven when Jesus plainly teaches in Matt 22:29-33 that there will be no marriages in Heaven, no husbands and wives? Thank you. Terry -- Let your speech be always with

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I'll ask again, Kevinwhere did you get that Then why is everyone witha criticism of the church an "ANTI" definition? When you make a pat statement like that, a lot of TTers may believe you. Sometimes I think you just make things up. Is this one of those times?

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave. Look at me. He has already made that judgement, not me. DAVEH: From the tone of you posts, it didn't seem that way. He wrote it in the Bible so that I can know the real Jesus and God, and not go chasing after false ones. DAVEH: As I see it, you've cut

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
Yes and Exodus 20:1 and 22 continues this idea -- the Law of Moses was given to the children of Israel. Those of you that insist on a separation of the Levitical Law from the Law of Moses in Paul's thinking do so without any biblical reference IMO. At least, no one has given me a scriptural

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
The Professor has nailed it!! What I like about such comments is that I actually learn somethingfrom then commentary. Salute, Mr G JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:04:27 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: Yes, but where they "Contending for the faith"? DAVEH: What do you think they were disputi9ng if it wasn't their perspecdtive of the faith? Don't you think they were arguing the truth as they saw it, perhaps in the same way it is done on TT occassionally? Please

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave. Look at me. He has already made that judgement, not me. DAVEH: From the tone of you posts, it didn't seem that way. He wrote it in the Bible so that I can know the real Jesus and God, and not go chasing after false ones.

Re: [TruthTalk] Contention

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: So you accept this scripture? DAVEH: The question is not whether I accept the passage, Kevinbut rather if you accept it. Do you think the contending part applies to you? When are you gonna stop the "foolish genealogies"? No contending about the Law! It

Re: [TruthTalk] Contention

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, Are you saying that the BoM is indicating that men of the bible that were contentious were of the Devil? Perhaps the pharisees were because thier desire for contention was not to make a point of truth, but to try to entrap, but Paul? Elijah? Wow, could this be yet another of satan's

Re: [TruthTalk] lost kids

2005-06-19 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Just a thought or two--I taught in two different school districts for 30 years, plus I have subbed in at leasttwo otherschool districts in Utah--four different districts in all. Ihave seen a few violence problems, two or three to be more exact, over the years, some incidents when

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/18/2005 10:29:14 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paradise lost (AE in the garden) - Paradise regained in Christ. You have a good concept above. In fact, Judy, I often think your posts reflect a very accurate point of view. But when Jesus comes

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: Seeming inconsistancy]

2005-06-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Good morning, mister Hansen. I have a serious request. Can you explain to me how Mormons will have wives in Heaven when Jesus

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:04:27 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ftr, jt's commentexamplifies one of severalconceited American traditions--Fundamentalist-dispensationalism; neithertradition, below,reads the text/s of Scripture for what is said, only for what it is 'supposed' to say, as

Re: [TruthTalk] Contention

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Are you saying that the BoM is indicating that men of the bible that were contentious were of the Devil? DAVEH: Nope.I didn't imply any such thing. I was merely answering Kevin's question as succinctly as possible to avoid giving you an excuse

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: And good afternoon to you, Brother Terry! :-) Let me quote vs 30.. For in the resurrection, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Note that he is talking about during/after the resurrection period, folks will will not

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread ttxpress
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:17:37 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..(Jesus) enemies are under His feet right now,today? I don't think so.. as it stands, JC has made 'a public spectacle' of jt's thinking, its authoritarian dualism, and dispensationalist analyses; (his) NT

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: DAVEH: As I see it, you've cut short your ability to see beyond the Bible, Perry. You apparently see the The Bible as being enough, yet I think presents unasked questions that many Protestants (and TTers) seem to want to avoid pondering. I just don't feel

Re: [TruthTalk] 10/40 window

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
10/40 Window The core of the Unreached People Groups of our world live in a rectangular-shape area on a world map know as the 10/40 Window. It extends from north-west Africa across Asia, between 10 degrees and 40 degrees north of the equator and spans approx. 60 countries. It is the

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:25:06 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt JD you are disingenious from the start. While claimingto be a pastor and not a theologian you title thislittle rant against God's Word'A heuristic consideration' which is'theological' - The word isn't even

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Terry Clifton
I understand your answer, Dave, but I have problems with it. What brought about this comment by Jesus was the possibility of more than one wife here on earth. If your first wife dies, you are free to take another. We know that God's plan for man has always been one man for one woman for life.

[TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Oophs!forgot to address this ... "You have legalized God's Word and made it into something it was never meant to be while ATST embracing an entirelyopportunistic message for yourself". JD: Honestly, I have no idea what this last sentence means. jt: What it means is that your tradition

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
Thanks for explaining your comment. Your meaning is much clearer now. JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:23:15 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Oophs!forgot to address this ... "You have legalized

Re: [TruthTalk] JFK

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that arein play with the JFK assassination ... JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Terry Clifton wrote: I understand your answer, Dave, but I have problems with it. What brought about this comment by Jesus was the possibility of more than one wife here on earth. If your first wife dies, you are free to take another. We know that God's plan for man has always been

[TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does

Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
We have spent weeks on this forum discussing politics (treatment of the American Indians etc) without a n expressed concern from the moderator. What would be the difference? Asking -- not arguing. It is my opinion that the Kennedy assassination presents the internal workings of this government

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
American demographics from 2001. May be of interest. More info to follow. Yes --I am home alone, this evening. JD American Adults Religious Identification (Age 18+) Christian Religious Groups Catholic 24.5% Baptist 16.3% Christian (no denomination

Re: [TruthTalk] Demographis

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
Source: International Bulletin of Missionary Research, January 2003. David B. Barrett Todd M. Johnson. Christians (total): 2,076,629,000 (33.1%) Evangelicals: 221,637,000Pentecostal/Charismatics: 553,763,000 Anglicans: 82,895,000Orthodox: 218,501,000Protestants: 356,138,000Roman Catholics:

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Terry, it is a lot more convoluted that you are imagining. Here are perhaps a couple of points that have not been revealed to you. I am not positive about a couple of them, so Dave, feel free to correct me if I understand this incorrectly. (If you don't, I am sure Blaine will :-) - they will

Re: [TruthTalk] Demographis

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
this presents certain growth patterns. Secular numbers have nearly tripled since 1990 Islam has has tripled as well while Buddism has grown at a slightly higher rate than Islam !! Apparently therer were no atheists in this country in 1990. Wow !!! Religion 1990 Est.Adult Pop. 2001 Est.ADULT

Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, Most of the topics I felt had a moral basis to them that stems from our Christian beliefs. Plus, when asked, I answered. Besides, the other topics were mostly out-of-the-bag before I even got around to evaluating some of them. But, it is not a big deal either way...start it up if you

Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
Thanks. Perhaps in a few days. JD-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:48:36 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, Most of the topics I felt had a moral basis to them that stems

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
Part of what I will be doing in local ministry will include something similar to the following. Perhaps I am somewhat naive but I include a prayer with such ministries to the effect that I acknowledge and anticipate the Lord's ability to work all things to His advantage. JD DID YOU

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: One might question the statistics of folks that have trouble spelling Mormon correctly. Here's another perspective Roman Catholic Church -- 63,683,030 (62,391,484) Southern Baptist Convention -- 15,960,308 (15,851,756) United Methodist Church -- 8,340,954 (8,377,662) Church of

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
I state the reason why. Did you forget already? Do I need to list the reasons why LDS are NOT Christians AGAIN? Blaine just makes allegations without so much as to what are the specific Beliefs, Actions, Areas to which he refers. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: When some TTers accuse

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Terry, it is a lot more convoluted that you are imagining. Here are perhaps a couple of points that have not been revealed to you. I am not positive about a couple of them, so Dave, feel free to correct me if I understand this incorrectly. (If you don't, I am sure

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
If Belief is all that is required then the Devils are saved. James 2:9 the devils also believe, and tremble.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: YeahPretty quiet on TT tonight.. Do you believe that those who believe in Jesus are saved, as I've heard many Christians proclaim? If

RE: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
You can deny all you want, but if the god you serve has different attributes then he is not the ONE TRUE God. Things that are different are NOT the same. Du 32 For their rock is not as our Rock DU 8:9 And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
He will!He Has! JN 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: I fully understand that, Perry. But I'd feel more comfortable letting God make that judgment than you.Charles Perry Locke wrote: David,

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
ROTFL How did you know? LDS have a "Heavenly Mutha" the "Queen" who has a Heavenly Mutha, sort of a Heavenly Grandma! The Goddess http://www.answers.com/topic/heavenly-mother O my father http://people.uleth.ca/~anderson/hymns/292.htm O Mutha, they could not even write their own music they stole

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
I am not positive about a couple of them DAVEH: Then why would you try to teach somebody else something you are not sure about, Perry? Do you think passing on false or misunderstood information helps others understand truth? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Terry, it is a lot more convoluted that

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
I was a little surprised to see that the JW's have a faster growth rate than the Mormon church, seriously. In a graduate lecture series I am going through, one of the prof's stated a surprising demographic: outside the USA , Christian growth as a result of conversion is at the rate of 3,000

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: FTR Kevin, I believe in Jesus. Therefore can we conclude that you've made the judgment rather than God? Kevin Deegan wrote: He will! He Has! JN 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Does one take tests in this manner? What is the difference between the LDS Burning in the Bosom and the Occult burning Bosom here? http://laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/fire/fire1193.html Joe Smith King Follett Discourse Here, then, is eternal life--to know the only wise and true God; and you

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Typical JD straw man technique accuse Judy of emotionalism and judgementalism Notice JD did not even attempt to answer why God destroyed all except 8! Instead he sends up smoke signals to cloud the issue.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor

RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
That'swhatBelieverswerecalled backthen.Izzy ==Leviticus 27:34 These are the commandments which the Lord commanded Moses for the children of Israel.

RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jesus fulfilled the law by obeying each and every one; as we do when we are in Him. When we are in Him we are righteous; no longer needing the written law without coercing us, but having the inner witness within of right and wrong with the desire to do what is right. I should have said the Jewish

Re: [TruthTalk] lost kids

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
That is exactly what must be done. Discerning the heart of God. Of some making a difference. God will direct. Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am certain that what you say is true of some preachers, Blaine, but you cannot reasonably say that they are all stamped with the same mold. I would

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
I will refer you to a LDS site: http://www.fairlds.org/apol/ai153.html http://www.fairlds.org/apol/ai137.html How about Spotting an Anti-Mormon Book http://www.fairlds.org/apol/antis/200301.html Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: I'll ask again, Kevinwhere did you get

RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
The indwelling Holy Spirit is the ONLY difference between the saved and the unsaved. If you don't understand that, you don't have Him within. Do you know Him and is He in you, JD? The Bible says we cannot comprehend the Word w/o the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Do you understand that? If

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
The law was made for ungodly sinners see B I B L E for details Do you qualify? Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Professor has nailed it!! What I like about such comments is that I actually learn somethingfrom then commentary. Salute, Mr G JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun,

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH: And because some of the early prophets mocked with God's blessing, you believe it is your right to do so as well? Isn't that stretching logic a bit beyond it's breaking point?NO How so? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: Yes, but where they "Contending for the

RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK

2005-06-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
I personally am not interested. I left for the evening and came home to 50 new TT posts as it is already. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:08 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Previous comments make me wonder about JD also. ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The indwelling Holy Spirit is the ONLY difference between the saved and the unsaved. If you don't understand that, you don't have Him within. Do you know Him and is He in you, JD? The Bible says we cannot

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
LDS have no faith in God's word. The LDS god is a pipsqueak who can not preserve his word lost it in a hill for thousands of years. Lost the faith too, for almost 200years there was NO faith on earth, with a pipsqueak like that, nothing is shocking.Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Hmmm...interesting. Do you have any idea of the world birthrate? It's probably more likely to be 3,000 per second, I would guess. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a little surprised to see that the JW's have a faster growth rate than the Mormon church, seriously.

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
If belief is inadequate, what else is needed, Perry? DAVEH: Care to answer my question, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: If Belief is all that is required then the Devils are saved. James 2:9 the devils also believe, and tremble. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH:

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, This is what I have learned. I believe it to be so, but I may not have all accurately stated all of the details. You often tell me I am wrong, that I don't understand it as a mormon would, and I should ask a mormon if I want to know what mormons believe. I did as you requested, but

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Love 2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. JN 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are

Re: [TruthTalk] Contention

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Stir men to Anger? Are you angry? If so there are some good Anger management programs available.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: So you accept this scripture?DAVEH: The question is not whether I accept the passage, Kevinbut rather if you accept it. Do you think the

Re: [TruthTalk] Contention

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
KJV Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.Yea hath God said?Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave,Are you saying that the BoM is indicating that men of the bible that were contentious were of

Re: [TruthTalk] lost kids

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
UTAH is the promised land? Too bad the facts don't speak the same as the thin veneer.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine: Just a thought or two--I taught in two different school districts for 30 years, plus I have subbed in at leasttwo otherschool districts in Utah--four different districts in all.

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things The Kingdom is to be restored to Israel Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? IS 65 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
And what do you think of Historic Mormon POLANDRY? Polyandry: having more than one husband at a time Sincenon LDSmarriages are performed by ministers with no binding authority are they null void? http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/132 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: As I understand your position (and please correct me if I am misunderstanding your position), many Christians (specifically you, in this instance) believe that everything written in the Bible is specifically applicable to Christians today. So, if a prophet of the Bible used a technique

Re: [TruthTalk] 10/40 window

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
WHEN do you leave?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/40 Window The core of the Unreached People Groups of our world live in a rectangular-shape area on a world map know as the 10/40 Window. It extends from north-west Africa across Asia, between 10 degrees and 40 degrees north of the equator

Re: [TruthTalk] Contention

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: LOLNaw, if you've been around TT very long, you'd know I'm pretty slow to anger, Kevin. However, I do wonder if that is one of your techniques when street preaching. Is it your goal when street preaching to stir others to anger? From my LDS perspective, it would appear that is

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Wrong seems you will be judged by the word of God! He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: FTR Kevin, I believe in Jesus. Therefore can we

Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH: Wow, that's a pretty bold statement, Kevin. Is another example of a lie you are promulgating? It is just the plain truth and very easy to prove, who is twisting here? Who is lying here? Joseph Smith also declared, "I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why don't you just list just ONE critic who has NOT been called an ANTI. That would seem to be an EASY TASK! Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: That's an awfully lot of reading, Kevin. Why don't you just spare me the exercise by quoting the parts that support your statement

[TruthTalk] Who is he?

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I have been studying Mark 16:14-20, and have two open questions for all TT members. 1. In verse 16, who is the antecedant to the pronoun He that starts out that verse? 2. Again, in verse 16, what type of baptism is Jesus discussing here? Thanks, Perry -- Let your speech be always

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