Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Dustin Lennon
I guess what I would like to know is since I'm a hobbyist, am I going to get my token revoked just because I write a client that is just for my use to better my skills in learning a specific programming language and share with others things I've learned. -Dustin This message contains confidential

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Scott Wilcox
Providing you don't participate in any spamming, I would think your application is perfectly safe. On 13 Mar 2011, at 11:51, Dustin Lennon wrote: I guess what I would like to know is since I'm a hobbyist, am I going to get my token revoked just because I write a client that is just for my

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Raffi, You wrote, ...focus your efforts on that and just follow our lead with tweet rendering and interaction. This approach perpetuates and aggravates the fears and hostility in the developer community that you (Twitter) sprouted when you bought Tweetie, and absolutely nothing has been said or

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Raffi Krikorian
Agreed. On Mar 13, 2011, at 4:58, Scott Wilcox sc...@dor.ky wrote: Providing you don't participate in any spamming, I would think your application is perfectly safe. On 13 Mar 2011, at 11:51, Dustin Lennon wrote: I guess what I would like to know is since I'm a hobbyist, am I going to

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Jef Poskanzer
I have a set of apps that basically just reproduces the official Twitter user experience, exactly what Twitter says we should not do. However, I add value by running on a platform that Twitter does not support and is unlikely to ever support. I believe this should be allowed and encouraged and

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Rich
Similar situation, although Raffi's response above is slightly more reassuring. On Mar 13, 3:34 pm, Jef Poskanzer jef.poskan...@gmail.com wrote: I have a set of apps that basically just reproduces the official Twitter user experience, exactly what Twitter says we should not do. However, I add

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Craig
Yes, Raffi's posts have made me feel a *lot* better about all of this. I hope his comments will be reflected in some way by an 'official' message from Twitter. It's not that I don't believe Raffi, I do, but it bothers me that Ryan or someone hasn't yet come back to explicitly confirm Raffi's

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Raffi Krikorian
i, personally, totally concur. what i don't think anybody can do is fully predict what platforms twitter will develop for next (although, you probably can make a guess as you see market-share play out). what i would say is that, if you are building a twitter client, twitter, as a company, will

[twitter-dev] Re: Tweet button count still not updating.

2011-03-13 Thread TornadoRocks
I am facing the same issue as well. I've set the URL manually, but it doesnt record the number of tweets as well. Any idea how this can be solved? -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Lil Peck
With this in mind, we’ve updated our Terms of Service: http://dev.twitter.com/pages/api_terms. The Opportunity for Developers Developers have told us that they’d like more guidance from us about the best opportunities to build on Twitter.  More specifically, developers ask us if they should

[twitter-dev] trends available in Malaysia?

2011-03-13 Thread Jimmy Au
The following lat long is in Malaysia but the return result is not in malaysia. I am wondering this service available in malaysia? http://api.twitter.com/1/trends/available.json?lat=3.144491long=101.711404 -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread artesea
Except every day I hear people go I hate new twitter, I want feature y, I wish it didn't do that. I run a port of dabr, I don't do it for the money (no ads on the site) I do it for the love of programming. Working out ways to get thumbnail images in to the timeline. To have different displays

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Dewald Pretorius
I used to be counted in the 90% until they defaced Tweetie, sorry, Twitter for iPhone with that moronic #DickBar that shoves irrelevant nonsense in your face. It's like yelling at you, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS AND HAVE NO INTEREST IN THIS, BUT HERE, TAKE IT ANYWAY. LEARN

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Scott Wilcox
You still have the ability to change to a newly developed client if you want to. Sent from my iPhone On 13 Mar 2011, at 18:50, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: I used to be counted in the 90% until they defaced Tweetie, sorry, Twitter for iPhone with that moronic #DickBar that shoves

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Dewald Pretorius
You're missing the next step, Scott. The #DickBar will become mandatory for all clients. On Mar 13, 3:54 pm, Scott Wilcox sc...@dor.ky wrote: You still have the ability to change to a newly developed client if you want to. Sent from my iPhone On 13 Mar 2011, at 18:50, Dewald Pretorius

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:49:45 -0700 (PDT), Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: I used to be counted in the 90% until they defaced Tweetie, sorry, Twitter for iPhone with that moronic #DickBar that shoves irrelevant nonsense in your face. It's like yelling at you, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Jef Poskanzer
On my Android phone I have both the official Twitter client and Twidroid installed. If they had more or less the same functionailty and useability I would prefer to use the official client. However I only use Twidroid, because Twitter's official app is inferior. I could explain why in detail if

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Jef Poskanzer jef.poskan...@gmail.com wrote: On my Android phone I have both the official Twitter client and Twidroid installed. If they had more or less the same functionailty and useability I would prefer to use the official client. However I only

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Ed, I don't have an issue with the size, placing, or color of the #DickBar box. I have an issue with the fact that it shoves stuff in my face that is of absolutely no interest to me. Google got ads right. When your search results include a list of news articles about the Japan earthquake, they

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Umashankar Das
Relevance in microblogging. Big opportunity but very difficult to define. Last i read, even google is stumped. Cheers Umashankar Das On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Ed, I don't have an issue with the size, placing, or color of the #DickBar box. I

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 01:32:27 +0530, Umashankar Das umashankar...@gmail.com wrote: Relevance in  microblogging. Big opportunity but very difficult to define. Last i read, even google is stumped. Cheers Umashankar Das I don't think it's relevance that stumps Google so much as privacy. It's a

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Raffi Krikorian
i don't think we've said its a waste of time, especially for something like dabr. and, again, its not that we're stopping the competition -- we've said that if you are building a regular timeline client, we're going to be holding you to a higher bar. in our opinion, its not a good -business- to

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Raffi, Can you (Twitter) please get your message straight? Here's what Ryan said, More specifically, developers ask us if they should build client apps that mimic or reproduce the mainstream Twitter consumer client experience. The answer is no. No you're saying something different. So, which

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: users/lookup returns duplicates, missing records for valid users

2011-03-13 Thread Adrian Petrescu
Thanks for investigating :) Just thought I'd add that I'm also affected by this, and when I investigated I discovered that the exact selection of users which are omitted and duplicated is relatively stable; that is, if I run the same set of lookups on the same chunks of 100 users, it will

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread David W
Hey Ryan - thanks for the response. I'm sure enough people have made the same points now and you've taken more crap than you'd care to. But just to clarify my comment, Seesmic on WP7 is nothing but a client IMO. Anywho - thanks for responding. At the end of the day Twitter's a great place to

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Jef Poskanzer
On Mar 13, 2:23 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: if you are building a regular timeline client, we're going to be holding you to a higher bar. That is reasonable. However we have to wonder if Twitter's people will/can be fair in applying this standard to 3rd party clients whose

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Rich
Hi Raffi If that is the case then it's very reassuring to hear On Mar 13, 9:23 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: i don't think we've said its a waste of time, especially for something like dabr.  and, again, its not that we're stopping the competition -- we've said that if you are

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Ryan Sarver
To be clear, Raffi is clearly articulating the situation. It's a complex thing and we can't expect to get it perfectly right the first time, so the dialogue and questions are great. Raffi is also a much better communicator than I am :) -- Ryan Sarver @rsarver http://twitter.com/rsarver On

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Raffi, now is the right time to ask for a raise. Just saying... On Mar 13, 8:09 pm, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: To be clear, Raffi is clearly articulating the situation. It's a complex thing and we can't expect to get it perfectly right the first time, so the dialogue and questions

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Costa Walcott
I don't know what it's not a good business to be in means. Ryan has been posting this statement numerous times on his Twitter account as well. Is Twitter saying We believe that a Twitter client will not make a lot of money. Go ahead and try but don't say we didn't tell you so if you make no

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Raffi Krikorian
there are two things: - twitter has started to specify what the core experience should be -- we have strong feelings around display and interaction; - twitter is poised to move extremely quickly. attempting to speak neutrally without any partisanship: IMO its a bad idea to create a

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread @siculars
@raffi @rsarver, I wrote up my two cents earlier, http://siculars.posterous.com/twitter-monoculture. I just don't appreciate the direction you all are going in. @raffi, I spoke with you at the CU recruiting event a few weeks back and I got to tell you that if I were asked I would tell those kids

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Lil Peck
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, @siculars sicul...@gmail.com wrote: @raffi @rsarver, I wrote up my two cents earlier, http://siculars.posterous.com/twitter-monoculture. I just don't appreciate the direction you all are going in. @raffi, I spoke with you at the CU recruiting event a few weeks

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Matt Harris
Innovation and development with the APIs are not being prevented. There have always been guidelines, and rules of the road so we all know what is and isn't allowed. If you build a client you are touching the majority of Twitter features. The APIs allow you to do this, and Twitter and your

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Adam Green
Yes! Transparency! That is what we are really craving. That is the subtext for every developer responding to this thread. What we all want is transparency about being shut down. Why does Twitter revoke literally hundreds of API tokens / apps a week as Ryan said? Is it for something obvious, like

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-13 Thread Umashankar Das
Privacy -: As I understand twitter, the data is public.[Other than private messages and protected users]. What is the concern here? I guess you are pointing to the credibility quotient of the owner of the tweet and hence his private information? Not wanting to challenge Google, but, we are