: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:45 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone
wouldwanttelnet-based tools
Just to throw my hat in the ring, I agree that a GUI is more desirable in
this day and age. However, I've worked with Bro's mvToolbox for the last 6-7
years
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Clark
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:45 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why
anyonewouldwanttelnet-based tools
I don' know about Yar's Revenge, but there was a new version of Dig Dug
released
--- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote:
I seriously believe most MV people
are not programming in ED on telnet (or
ssh) and that they are using some form of
GUI editor.
With respect, I disagree. I work alongside dozens of UniVerse developers and I
am in a very small
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 20 February 2012 13:41
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
--- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote:
I seriously
Share ?
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From: Les Hewkin les.hew...@travisperkins.co.uk
To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:04 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
Long live telnetwe use
Share ?
Accuterm Wed would be alternative. Good price great service.
George
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From: Wjhonson
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:15 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
Share
editor
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From: George R Smith geo...@grsmith.arcoxmail.com
To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
Share ?
Accuterm Wed would
Only know do I understand.
Thanks
George
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From: Wjhonson
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:47 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
WED is not an inplace full screen editor.
It's
From: Wjhonson
WED is not an inplace full screen editor. It's merely
a hyped up Notepad. Not the same thing. You cannot
use WED to say Oh by the way, go grab the cross
reference files and show me every OTHER program that
also reads the customer file. You could however do
that, with
Just to throw my hat in the ring, I agree that a GUI is more desirable in this
day and age. However, I've worked with Bro's mvToolbox for the last 6-7 years
and it's been a godsend, shaving days and weeks from my efforts. I still keep a
copy and recently reached out to Bro to bring it into my
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of LeRoy Dreyfuss
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:45 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone
wouldwanttelnet-based tools
Just to throw my hat in the ring, I agree that a GUI is more desirable
-
From: Allen E. Elwood aelw...@socal.rr.com
To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone wouldwanttelnet-based
tools
I think the proof of the pudding is that you're not going to find ONE vendor
Same here
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Clark
Sent: 19 February 2012 00:43
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools - dictionaries
at as opposed to LIST.DICT
which in it's original form has to be one of THE most archaic features of the
environment. Especially in a 25 x 80 green screen.
Stuart.
From: Symeon Breen
Sent: 18-Feb-12 21:15
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
.
From: Symeon Breen
Sent: 18-Feb-12 21:15
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet
(or
ssh
systems today.
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: 17 February 2012 17:09
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Why is DOS still on Windows? Because there are some
-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch
Sent: 18 February 2012 02:48
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
Whether we are talking about Telnet that uses port 23 or UniObjects that
uses or 31438 or HTTP that uses
I agree completely with this. Except the aversion to anything PICK. From
what I've noticed there is still an aversion because it is a mystery to
them. Most of the newbies to business have been brought up on MS and
anything else to them is old school. What used to be You can't go wrong
when
.
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*From:* syme...@gmail.com
*To:* 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
*Date:* 2/18/2012 2:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
I
original form has to be one of THE most archaic features of the environment.
Especially in a 25 x 80 green screen.
Stuart.
From: Symeon Breen
Sent: 18-Feb-12 21:15
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
at as opposed to LIST.DICT
which in it's original form has to be one of THE most archaic features of the
environment. Especially in a 25 x 80 green screen.
Stuart.
From: Symeon Breen
Sent: 18-Feb-12 21:15
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Can we have a fresh thread for that?
Quick pop quiz. How do people build and maintain dictionaries?
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:17 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Why are we using telnet in
U2 as our main form of communication?
In today's world a 3 year old can use an iPad to access
.
-Original Message-
From: George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 6:20 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Why? Because it has almost no overhead, and has the most flexibility.
Can the 3 year old (assuming they understood
:* Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Tony, my worry is about support in the future if you cannot keep your
website functional today. Never did I say that product was not as
advertised.
Telnet is archaic and was developed around late 1960's. So when you are
using SQL Server, or Oracle, or Informix do you use
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:16 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Gee...I wonder when sockets were developed? They must be archaic too! :-)
Bill
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click click click point, select click click select point click.
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From: George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 6:20 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Why? Because it has almost
- Original Message -
*From:* u...@edclark.net
*To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
*Date:* 2/17/2012 10:54 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
actually your example is pretty easy
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To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 10:55 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
actually your example is pretty easy on current windows versions. Type *.txt
nto the windows explorer search box
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Clark
Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2012 7:55 a.m.
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
actually your example is pretty easy on current windows versions. Type
*.txt into the windows
It's still easier from DOS :)
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From: Phil Walker p...@gnosys.co.nz
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
Actually, if you
is to globally rename files
Ren *.txt *.doc
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:11 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone
Undelete sometimes works, always been hit or miss for me.
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:22 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
From: Bill Haskett
Just to let people know, mvNET offer telnet as one of
the connection methods (I use uodotnet) but it's fine
for external developers for our ..NET application.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, Fusionware uses telnet as
their underlying connection method.
(mv.NET also
Whether we are talking about Telnet that uses port 23 or UniObjects that
uses or 31438 or HTTP that uses 80, it not the port that is the problem.
It is not the way packets are transported or what overhead each different
protocol has. The fact remains for me it is the presentation.
Why do you
500 Megabytes and counting, so I can see where a variable is used
That's a non-starter for me.
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From: Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about
The goal of any tool is to make us, programmers, more productive. I've
used Accuterm back in 90's and even with all of the enhancements, it
requires a telnet session to work. Not the best way to show new
programmers that you have a telnet session open to compile a program.
The big question I
like that until I reach the '1' ?
Or what.
-Original Message-
From: Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 11:12 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
The goal of any tool is to make us, programmers, more productive. I've
sed
Wil, you're asking a question from the product website or doc. I
just wanted to make people aware of the offering here, in
response to a specific request. At this point I suggest anyone
with interest take questions to the vendor.
From: Wjhonson
As you type compiler messages from the real
From: Doug Averch
The goal of any tool is to make us, programmers, more
productive.
Wjhonson wrote:
There's no market for a tool that runs on a telnet system.
To Wil, I suggest in agreement with Doug that productivity is
unrelated to the connection mechanism. mvToolbox is indeed a
On 16/02/12 23:09, Tony Gravagno wrote:
To Doug, you imply that GUI=productive which is as invalid as
telnet=unproductive. I also hoped that you would have restrained
your competitive instincts in just this one case. You don't need
to stomp on other products to promote your own. You'll note
this button?'
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From: Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk
To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
On 16/02/12 23:09, Tony Gravagno wrote:
To Doug, you imply that GUI=productive which is as invalid as
telnet
From: Wol
Tony Gravagno wrote:
To Doug, you imply that GUI=productive which is as invalid as
telnet=unproductive.
Actually, I think it's pretty much a given that
gui=UNproductive.
Well, in all fairness, I don't put that extreme postion on the
medium either. Maybe we can agree that a
Tony, my worry is about support in the future if you cannot keep your
website functional today. Never did I say that product was not as
advertised.
Telnet is archaic and was developed around late 1960's. So when you are
using SQL Server, or Oracle, or Informix do you use telnet to do anything
Whilst I understand where you are coming from Doug. I think we get too caught
up that telnet is negative. Microsoft had to bend to demand for a command
line system for Windows because the tech guys said it was too slow to do things
in Windows forms. When I talk to Oracle databases, SQL
From: Doug Averch
I saw this software many years ago at Spectrum
conference. So I clicked on the link to see what's
new. Most of the pages are dead and the ones that are
not are hopeless out of date. See your comment from
2004 on http://www.mvtoolbox.com/Testimonials.1.html.
I would
You are telling us a great story with a very unhappy ending for a tool
that may have been great in 1995. There is no market for a tool that runs
on telnet system no matter what great features it has or could have. That
would be like me telling you can code in Java using VI or EMACS. Or better
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
You are telling us a great story with a very unhappy ending for a tool
hat may have been great in 1995. There is no market for a tool that runs
n telnet system no matter what great
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