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Hi Steve, Just in case you didn't know -- PRC does all of that. J Regards, Susan Joslyn PRC - IT Governance for U2 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:13:31 -0500 From: Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration Message-ID: Something I have long desired is diff tool for mv records (that will use standard diff/patch output) so it can integrate with other tools. Maybe a packager for SB+ A diff tool for SB+ that understand what records make up an SB+ object. I started some thinking this direction on a sourceforge project, but got busy on many other things. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I am aware. I do like your product. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Susan Joslyn sjos...@sjplus.com wrote: Hi Steve, Just in case you didn't know -- PRC does all of that. J Regards, Susan Joslyn PRC - IT Governance for U2 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:13:31 -0500 From: Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration Message-ID: Something I have long desired is diff tool for mv records (that will use standard diff/patch output) so it can integrate with other tools. Maybe a packager for SB+ A diff tool for SB+ that understand what records make up an SB+ object. I started some thinking this direction on a sourceforge project, but got busy on many other things. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was: 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site 2) Make it searchable 3) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone 4) Also post the vendor/var docs 5) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking about something else... Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those are great tools, but, they probably aren't going to create the Wikipedia of the MV world. The above can be done, but, it needs to become a living/breathing thing that gets updated a lot, otherwise, folks won't use it. Hence the challenge- making it a living/breathing thing. I know this kind of thing has been tried, and is being tried... but there probably isn't enough flag waving and marketing to keep it going. Or people create something, and try to make it subscription based, which in this day and time is never going to work with something like the above. Some of the things I know about are: http://www.nuwiki.com/cgi-bin/nuwiki.cgi?homeproject=nuwiki http://www.keyally.com/prdb/universe/basic_tree_all.html http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl Anyway, I'd like to help with something like that. I'm just not sure at my stage in life, that I have the time to spearhead it and become the chief Architect of something like that. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Personally I respond more immediately when something comes at me. Would it not be possible to set up a mailing list for any changes to Incubator code? So all users on that list get emailed when a change is made? I think this would propel both use of the code, and smisuse/s enhancement. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2011 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration Mecki Thats why the board launched the Incubator project early this year. The intent s for this to become a repository of useful working examples of using the echnology. But I don't have the time to write those all myself and we have been rying to pursuade the community to get involved. Brian ent from my ASUS Eee Pad Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: I think a major problem is the lack of training/documentation. Great that there are all these new possibilities, but if you have to figure everything out yourself it becomes very difficult to keep up with the technology. A lot of VARs (especially ours) are no help if you get the feeling they know even less then you do. It is very frustrating if the business asks, 'can we do that?' and you can only answer, 'yes, I know it's possible but I don't know how to make it work.' And how am I to show the young guys all the flash things I have seen in demos or heard about here if I can't get them to work myself? On 17/11/2011 20:55, David Jordan wrote: The U2UG board has been discussing with Rocket how to encourage excitement hat U2 is not legacy but is a technology leader. I was at a presentation of a 2 VAR and they demonstrated product that would be indistinguishable from any ther player in open systems, Service architecture, interoperability, web ntefaces, etc. How do we get this across to the market. With collaboration, we need to first excite. How do we excite people in U2 echnology. Is it looking at a major enhancement of the BASIC programming anguage or a new one within U2. What other things do we look at. Currently young programmers are excited by web technology's, mobile apps, the exy stuff. They are not interested in the backend, whether Oracle RDBMS, SQL erver or U2. This is a problem across the industry. The board of the user group are interested in areas to look at and how to reate infrastructure to make this happen. If we can reignite excitement in he product and create a place for collaboration where that excitement can be ut to good use then I believe we can achieve success. However our success epends on a group of people not a few individuals. If this is to occur, it is ime for people to become involved in shaping a future. Regards David Jordan VP U2UG ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight HTML, use MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG like sites.google.com or pbwiki uses. I find that only a few of these have gained sufficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the other competitors are just more headaches. Make it searchable. Sure. I assume that any web pages are searchable. You have to actively make something not searchable AFAIK. Useful examples - hopefully. Make sense to everyone - probably not as possible. But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to markup I didn't address docs, but sure why not. Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really. To find a way to collaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems very cob-webby to me. -Original Message- From: John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was: 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site ) Make it searchable ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone ) Also post the vendor/var docs ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking about something else... Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those are great tools, but, they probably ren't going to create the Wikipedia of the MV world. The above can be done, but, it needs to become a living/breathing thing hat gets updated a lot, otherwise, folks won't use it. Hence the hallenge- making it a living/breathing thing. I know this kind of thing has been tried, and is being tried... but there robably isn't enough flag waving and marketing to keep it going. Or people create something, and try to make it subscription based, which in his day and time is never going to work with something like the above. Some of the things I know about are: http://www.nuwiki.com/cgi-bin/nuwiki.cgi?homeproject=nuwiki ttp://www.keyally.com/prdb/universe/basic_tree_all.html ttp://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl Anyway, I'd like to help with something like that. I'm just not sure at my tage in life, that I have the time to spearhead it and become the chief Architect of something like that. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Personally I respond more immediately when something comes at me. Would it not be possible to set up a mailing list for any changes to Incubator code? So all users on that list get emailed when a change is made? I think this would propel both use of the code, and smisuse/s enhancement. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2011 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration Mecki Thats why the board launched the Incubator project early this year. The intent s for this to become a repository of useful working examples of using the echnology. But I don't have the time to write those all myself and we have been rying to pursuade the community to get involved. Brian ent from my ASUS Eee Pad Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: I think a major problem is the lack of training/documentation. Great that there are all these new possibilities, but if you have to figure everything out yourself it becomes very difficult to keep up with the technology. A lot of VARs (especially ours) are no help if you get the feeling they know even less then you do. It is very frustrating if the business asks, 'can we do that?' and you can only answer, 'yes, I know it's possible but I don't know how to make it work.' And how am I to show the young guys all the flash things I have seen in demos or heard about here if I can't get them to work myself? On 17/11/2011 20:55, David Jordan wrote: The U2UG board has been discussing with Rocket how to encourage excitement hat U2 is not legacy but is a technology leader. I was at a presentation of a 2 VAR and they demonstrated product that would be indistinguishable from any ther player in open systems, Service architecture, interoperability, web ntefaces, etc. How do we get this across to the market. With collaboration, we need to first excite. How do we excite people in U2 echnology. Is it looking at a major enhancement of the BASIC programming anguage or a new one within U2. What other things do we look at. Currently young programmers are excited by web technology's, mobile apps, the exy stuff. They are not interested in the backend, whether Oracle RDBMS, SQL erver or U2. This is a problem across the industry. The board of the user group are interested in areas to look at and how to reate infrastructure to make this happen. If we can reignite excitement in he product and create a place for collaboration where that excitement can be ut to good use then I believe we can achieve success.
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
In order to realize this vision, does every solution have to be implemented in PICK? If the goal is to make our development tasks more efficient it is making sure the labor that one of us puts in is not reproduced by another, i.e. Pick syntax files for various tools. The collaboration point whether it is pickwiki or another, does not have to host the code, but pointers to the places where the resource can be maintained properly. An example is the MAKEXML program on the wiki. I have used that many times and I seriously appreciate ECL and KRJ for making it available. Is it perfect, not really, every time I use it, I get the docstring twice. The wiki is not the way to communicate that it needs a patch. If I did (which I should) fix my copy, who do I communicate it to? We also need to let people know under what license we post the code under. Can I put MAKEXML up on my github and patch it, giving attribution to ECL and KRJ? On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight HTML, use MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG like sites.google.com or pbwiki uses. I find that only a few of these have gained sufficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the other competitors are just more headaches. Make it searchable. Sure. I assume that any web pages are searchable. You have to actively make something not searchable AFAIK. Useful examples - hopefully. Make sense to everyone - probably not as possible. But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to markup I didn't address docs, but sure why not. Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really. To find a way to collaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems very cob-webby to me. -Original Message- From: John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was: 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site ) Make it searchable ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone ) Also post the vendor/var docs ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking about something else... Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those are great tools, but, they probably ren't going to create the Wikipedia of the MV world. The above can be done, but, it needs to become a living/breathing thing hat gets updated a lot, otherwise, folks won't use it. Hence the hallenge- making it a living/breathing thing. I know this kind of thing has been tried, and is being tried... but there robably isn't enough flag waving and marketing to keep it going. Or people create something, and try to make it subscription based, which in his day and time is never going to work with something like the above. Some of the things I know about are: http://www.nuwiki.com/cgi-bin/nuwiki.cgi?homeproject=nuwiki ttp://www.keyally.com/prdb/universe/basic_tree_all.html ttp://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl Anyway, I'd like to help with something like that. I'm just not sure at my tage in life, that I have the time to spearhead it and become the chief Architect of something like that. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Personally I respond more immediately when something comes at me. Would it not be possible to set up a mailing list for any changes to Incubator code? So all users on that list get emailed when a change is made? I think this would propel both use of the code, and smisuse/s enhancement. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2011 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration Mecki Thats why the board launched the Incubator project early this year. The intent s for this to become a repository of useful working examples of using the echnology. But I don't have the time to write those all myself and we have been rying to pursuade the community to get involved. Brian ent from my ASUS Eee Pad Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: I think a major problem is the lack of training/documentation. Great that there are all these new possibilities, but if you have to figure everything out yourself it becomes very difficult to keep up with the technology. A lot of VARs (especially ours) are no help if you get the feeling they know even less then you do. It is very frustrating if the business asks, 'can we do that?' and you can only answer, 'yes, I know it's possible but I don't know how to make it work.' And how am I to show the young guys all the flash things I have seen in demos or heard about here if I can't get them to work myself? On 17/11/2011 20:55, David Jordan wrote: The U2UG board has
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
I will personally pay for a business bronze github subscription to help set this up. We need a small handful of people who are willing to work with setting this up properly as well as people who already have tools worthy of being shared to email those people either permission to them in the repository. Steve Will, would you be willing to be involved? Anyone who is can email me @ danmcg...@gmail.com and I will set it up this weekend then email out the information to get this started. Once people are committed we can work out appropriate licensing info, etc. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:16 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration In order to realize this vision, does every solution have to be implemented in PICK? If the goal is to make our development tasks more efficient it is making sure the labor that one of us puts in is not reproduced by another, i.e. Pick syntax files for various tools. The collaboration point whether it is pickwiki or another, does not have to host the code, but pointers to the places where the resource can be maintained properly. An example is the MAKEXML program on the wiki. I have used that many times and I seriously appreciate ECL and KRJ for making it available. Is it perfect, not really, every time I use it, I get the docstring twice. The wiki is not the way to communicate that it needs a patch. If I did (which I should) fix my copy, who do I communicate it to? We also need to let people know under what license we post the code under. Can I put MAKEXML up on my github and patch it, giving attribution to ECL and KRJ? On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight HTML, use MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG like sites.google.com or pbwiki uses. I find that only a few of these have gained sufficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the other competitors are just more headaches. Make it searchable. Sure. I assume that any web pages are searchable. You have to actively make something not searchable AFAIK. Useful examples - hopefully. Make sense to everyone - probably not as possible. But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to markup I didn't address docs, but sure why not. Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really. To find a way to collaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems very cob-webby to me. -Original Message- From: John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was: 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site ) Make it searchable ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone ) Also post the vendor/var docs ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking about something else... Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those are great tools, but, they probably ren't going to create the Wikipedia of the MV world. The above can be done, but, it needs to become a living/breathing thing hat gets updated a lot, otherwise, folks won't use it. Hence the hallenge- making it a living/breathing thing. I know this kind of thing has been tried, and is being tried... but there robably isn't enough flag waving and marketing to keep it going. Or people create something, and try to make it subscription based, which in his day and time is never going to work with something like the above. Some of the things I know about are: http://www.nuwiki.com/cgi-bin/nuwiki.cgi?homeproject=nuwiki ttp://www.keyally.com/prdb/universe/basic_tree_all.html ttp://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl Anyway, I'd like to help with something like that. I'm just not sure at my tage in life, that I have the time to spearhead it and become the chief Architect of something like that. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Personally I respond more immediately when something comes at me. Would it not be possible to set up a mailing list for any changes to Incubator code? So all users on that list get emailed when a change is made? I think this would propel both use of the code, and smisuse/s enhancement. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2011 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration Mecki Thats why the board launched the Incubator project early this year. The intent s for this to become a repository of useful working examples of using the echnology. But I don't have the time to write
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Actually, I completely missed the free open-source package. If it isn't obvious, I'm a SF.net/SVN users :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:39 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration I will personally pay for a business bronze github subscription to help set this up. We need a small handful of people who are willing to work with setting this up properly as well as people who already have tools worthy of being shared to email those people either permission to them in the repository. Steve Will, would you be willing to be involved? Anyone who is can email me @ danmcg...@gmail.com and I will set it up this weekend then email out the information to get this started. Once people are committed we can work out appropriate licensing info, etc. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:16 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration In order to realize this vision, does every solution have to be implemented in PICK? If the goal is to make our development tasks more efficient it is making sure the labor that one of us puts in is not reproduced by another, i.e. Pick syntax files for various tools. The collaboration point whether it is pickwiki or another, does not have to host the code, but pointers to the places where the resource can be maintained properly. An example is the MAKEXML program on the wiki. I have used that many times and I seriously appreciate ECL and KRJ for making it available. Is it perfect, not really, every time I use it, I get the docstring twice. The wiki is not the way to communicate that it needs a patch. If I did (which I should) fix my copy, who do I communicate it to? We also need to let people know under what license we post the code under. Can I put MAKEXML up on my github and patch it, giving attribution to ECL and KRJ? On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight HTML, use MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG like sites.google.com or pbwiki uses. I find that only a few of these have gained sufficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the other competitors are just more headaches. Make it searchable. Sure. I assume that any web pages are searchable. You have to actively make something not searchable AFAIK. Useful examples - hopefully. Make sense to everyone - probably not as possible. But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to markup I didn't address docs, but sure why not. Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really. To find a way to collaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems very cob-webby to me. -Original Message- From: John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was: 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site ) Make it searchable ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone ) Also post the vendor/var docs ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking about something else... Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those are great tools, but, they probably ren't going to create the Wikipedia of the MV world. The above can be done, but, it needs to become a living/breathing thing hat gets updated a lot, otherwise, folks won't use it. Hence the hallenge- making it a living/breathing thing. I know this kind of thing has been tried, and is being tried... but there robably isn't enough flag waving and marketing to keep it going. Or people create something, and try to make it subscription based, which in his day and time is never going to work with something like the above. Some of the things I know about are: http://www.nuwiki.com/cgi-bin/nuwiki.cgi?homeproject=nuwiki ttp://www.keyally.com/prdb/universe/basic_tree_all.html ttp://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl Anyway, I'd like to help with something like that. I'm just not sure at my tage in life, that I have the time to spearhead it and become the chief Architect of something like that. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Personally I respond more immediately when something comes at me. Would it not be possible to set up a mailing list for any changes to Incubator code? So all users on that list get emailed when a change is made? I think this would propel both use of the code, and smisuse/s enhancement. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
I will only be involved if there is a way to subscribe to changes, so they come at me, instead of me needing to go to them. -Original Message- From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:39 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration I will personally pay for a business bronze github subscription to help set this p. We need a small handful of people who are willing to work with setting this up roperly as well as people who already have tools worthy of being shared to mail those people either permission to them in the repository. Steve Will, would you be willing to be involved? Anyone who is can email me @ anmcg...@gmail.com and I will set it up this weekend then email out the nformation to get this started. Once people are committed we can work out appropriate licensing info, etc. Regards, an -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Steve Romanow ent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:16 AM o: U2 Users List ubject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration In order to realize this vision, does every solution have to be implemented in ICK? If the goal is to make our development tasks more efficient it is making sure he labor that one of us puts in is not reproduced by another, i.e. Pick syntax iles for various tools. The collaboration point whether it is pickwiki or another, does not have to ost the code, but pointers to the places where the resource can be maintained roperly. An example is the MAKEXML program on the wiki. I have used that many times and seriously appreciate ECL and KRJ for making it available. s it perfect, not really, every time I use it, I get the docstring twice. The iki is not the way to communicate that it needs a patch. f I did (which I should) fix my copy, who do I communicate it to? We also need o let people know under what license we post the code under. Can I put MAKEXML p on my github and patch it, giving attribution to ECL and KRJ? On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight TML, use MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG like ites.google.com or pbwiki uses. I find that only a few of these have gained ufficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the other ompetitors are just more headaches. Make it searchable. Sure. I assume that any web pages are searchable. You ave to actively make something not searchable AFAIK. Useful examples - hopefully. Make sense to everyone - probably not as possible. But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to markup I didn't address docs, but sure why not. Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really. To find a way to ollaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems very ob-webby to me. -Original Message- From: John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was: 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site ) Make it searchable ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone ) Also post the vendor/var docs ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking about something else... Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those are great tools, but, they probably ren't going to create the Wikipedia of the MV world. The above can be done, but, it needs to become a living/breathing thing hat gets updated a lot, otherwise, folks won't use it. Hence the hallenge- making it a living/breathing thing. I know this kind of thing has been tried, and is being tried... but there robably isn't enough flag waving and marketing to keep it going. Or people create something, and try to make it subscription based, which in his day and time is never going to work with something like the bove. Some of the things I know about are: http://www.nuwiki.com/cgi-bin/nuwiki.cgi?homeproject=nuwiki ttp://www.keyally.com/prdb/universe/basic_tree_all.html ttp://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl Anyway, I'd like to help with something like that. I'm just not sure at my tage in life, that I have the time to spearhead it and become the chief Architect of something like that. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Personally I respond more immediately when something comes at me. Would it not be possible to set up a mailing list for any changes to Incubator code? So all users on that list get emailed when a change is made? I think this would propel both use of the code, and smisuse/s enhancement. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 17,
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
'GitHub can notify you when people interact with your code' You have account settings to turn on/off exactly what you get notified about. Does that meet your requirements? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:42 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration I will only be involved if there is a way to subscribe to changes, so they come at me, instead of me needing to go to them. -Original Message- From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:39 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration I will personally pay for a business bronze github subscription to help set this p. We need a small handful of people who are willing to work with setting this up roperly as well as people who already have tools worthy of being shared to mail those people either permission to them in the repository. Steve Will, would you be willing to be involved? Anyone who is can email me @ anmcg...@gmail.com and I will set it up this weekend then email out the nformation to get this started. Once people are committed we can work out appropriate licensing info, etc. Regards, an -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Steve Romanow ent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:16 AM o: U2 Users List ubject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration In order to realize this vision, does every solution have to be implemented in ICK? If the goal is to make our development tasks more efficient it is making sure he labor that one of us puts in is not reproduced by another, i.e. Pick syntax iles for various tools. The collaboration point whether it is pickwiki or another, does not have to ost the code, but pointers to the places where the resource can be maintained roperly. An example is the MAKEXML program on the wiki. I have used that many times and seriously appreciate ECL and KRJ for making it available. s it perfect, not really, every time I use it, I get the docstring twice. The iki is not the way to communicate that it needs a patch. f I did (which I should) fix my copy, who do I communicate it to? We also need o let people know under what license we post the code under. Can I put MAKEXML p on my github and patch it, giving attribution to ECL and KRJ? On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight TML, use MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG like ites.google.com or pbwiki uses. I find that only a few of these have gained ufficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the other ompetitors are just more headaches. Make it searchable. Sure. I assume that any web pages are searchable. You ave to actively make something not searchable AFAIK. Useful examples - hopefully. Make sense to everyone - probably not as possible. But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to markup I didn't address docs, but sure why not. Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really. To find a way to ollaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems very ob-webby to me. -Original Message- From: John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was: 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site ) Make it searchable ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone ) Also post the vendor/var docs ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking about something else... Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those are great tools, but, they probably ren't going to create the Wikipedia of the MV world. The above can be done, but, it needs to become a living/breathing thing hat gets updated a lot, otherwise, folks won't use it. Hence the hallenge- making it a living/breathing thing. I know this kind of thing has been tried, and is being tried... but there robably isn't enough flag waving and marketing to keep it going. Or people create something, and try to make it subscription based, which in his day and time is never going to work with something like the bove. Some of the things I know about are: http://www.nuwiki.com/cgi-bin/nuwiki.cgi?homeproject=nuwiki ttp://www.keyally.com/prdb/universe/basic_tree_all.html ttp://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl Anyway, I'd like to help with something like that. I'm just not sure at my tage in life, that I have the time to spearhead it and become the chief Architect of something like that. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Personally I respond more
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Let's say you load a piece of code that does a great XML parsing, but I want to watch that code to get the next update from say... some other guy changing that code and republishing it right in the same spot. That's a subscription to a page change. But it's not *my* code, I didn't change it or load it. -Original Message- From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:53 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration 'GitHub can notify you when people interact with your code' You have account settings to turn on/off exactly what you get notified about. Does that meet your requirements? -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:42 AM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration I will only be involved if there is a way to subscribe to changes, so they come t me, instead of me needing to go to them. -Original Message- rom: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:39 am ubject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration will personally pay for a business bronze github subscription to help set this . e need a small handful of people who are willing to work with setting this up operly as well as people who already have tools worthy of being shared to mail hose people either permission to them in the repository. teve Will, would you be willing to be involved? Anyone who is can email me @ nmcg...@gmail.com and I will set it up this weekend then email out the formation to get this started. nce people are committed we can work out appropriate licensing info, etc. egards, n Original Message- om: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] Behalf Of Steve Romanow nt: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:16 AM : U2 Users List bject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration n order to realize this vision, does every solution have to be implemented in CK? f the goal is to make our development tasks more efficient it is making sure e labor that one of us puts in is not reproduced by another, i.e. Pick syntax les for various tools. he collaboration point whether it is pickwiki or another, does not have to st the code, but pointers to the places where the resource can be maintained operly. n example is the MAKEXML program on the wiki. I have used that many times and eriously appreciate ECL and KRJ for making it available. it perfect, not really, every time I use it, I get the docstring twice. The ki is not the way to communicate that it needs a patch. I did (which I should) fix my copy, who do I communicate it to? We also need let people know under what license we post the code under. Can I put MAKEXML on my github and patch it, giving attribution to ECL and KRJ? On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight TML, se MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG like tes.google.com or pbwiki uses. I find that only a few of these have gained fficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the other mpetitors are just more headaches. Make it searchable. Sure. I assume that any web pages are searchable. You ve to actively make something not searchable AFAIK. Useful examples - hopefully. Make sense to everyone - probably not as ossible. But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to markup I didn't address docs, but sure why not. Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really. To find a way to llaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems very b-webby to me. -Original Message- From: John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was: 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site ) Make it searchable ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone ) Also post the vendor/var docs ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking about omething else... Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those are great tools, but, they probably ren't oing to create the Wikipedia of the MV world. The above can be done, but, it needs to become a living/breathing thing hat ets updated a lot, otherwise, folks won't use it. Hence the hallenge- making it a living/breathing thing. I know this kind of thing has been tried, and is being tried... but there obably isn't enough flag waving and marketing to keep it going. Or people create something, and try to make it subscription based, which in is day and time is never going to work with something like the bove. Some of the things I know about are:
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
I wonder if everyone should host where they feel comfortable. The common place we congregate should just have pointers out. The main point I was making is _any_ wiki is not the right place to share _the_ code. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Let's say you load a piece of code that does a great XML parsing, but I want to watch that code to get the next update from say... some other guy changing that code and republishing it right in the same spot. That's a subscription to a page change. But it's not *my* code, I didn't change it or load it. -Original Message- From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:53 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration 'GitHub can notify you when people interact with your code' You have account settings to turn on/off exactly what you get notified about. Does that meet your requirements? -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:42 AM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration I will only be involved if there is a way to subscribe to changes, so they come t me, instead of me needing to go to them. -Original Message- rom: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:39 am ubject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration will personally pay for a business bronze github subscription to help set this . e need a small handful of people who are willing to work with setting this up operly as well as people who already have tools worthy of being shared to mail hose people either permission to them in the repository. teve Will, would you be willing to be involved? Anyone who is can email me @ nmcg...@gmail.com and I will set it up this weekend then email out the formation to get this started. nce people are committed we can work out appropriate licensing info, etc. egards, n Original Message- om: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] Behalf Of Steve Romanow nt: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:16 AM : U2 Users List bject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration n order to realize this vision, does every solution have to be implemented in CK? f the goal is to make our development tasks more efficient it is making sure e labor that one of us puts in is not reproduced by another, i.e. Pick syntax les for various tools. he collaboration point whether it is pickwiki or another, does not have to st the code, but pointers to the places where the resource can be maintained operly. n example is the MAKEXML program on the wiki. I have used that many times and eriously appreciate ECL and KRJ for making it available. it perfect, not really, every time I use it, I get the docstring twice. The ki is not the way to communicate that it needs a patch. I did (which I should) fix my copy, who do I communicate it to? We also need let people know under what license we post the code under. Can I put MAKEXML on my github and patch it, giving attribution to ECL and KRJ? On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight TML, se MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG like tes.google.com or pbwiki uses. I find that only a few of these have gained fficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the other mpetitors are just more headaches. Make it searchable. Sure. I assume that any web pages are searchable. You ve to actively make something not searchable AFAIK. Useful examples - hopefully. Make sense to everyone - probably not as ossible. But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to markup I didn't address docs, but sure why not. Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really. To find a way to llaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems very b-webby to me. -Original Message- From: John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was: 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site ) Make it searchable ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone ) Also post the vendor/var docs ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking about omething else... Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those are great tools, but, they probably ren't oing to create the Wikipedia of the MV world. The above can be done, but, it needs to become a living/breathing thing hat ets updated a lot, otherwise, folks won't use it. Hence the hallenge- making it a living/breathing
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
If it's just another PickWiki that's not a step forward in my opinion. We could just post code there. -Original Message- From: Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:34 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration I wonder if everyone should host where they feel comfortable. The ommon place we congregate should just have pointers out. The main point I was making is _any_ wiki is not the right place to hare _the_ code. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Let's say you load a piece of code that does a great XML parsing, but I want o watch that code to get the next update from say... some other guy changing hat code and republishing it right in the same spot. That's a subscription to a page change. But it's not *my* code, I didn't hange it or load it. -Original Message- From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:53 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration 'GitHub can notify you when people interact with your code' You have account settings to turn on/off exactly what you get notified about. Does that meet your requirements? -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:42 AM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration I will only be involved if there is a way to subscribe to changes, so they ome t me, instead of me needing to go to them. -Original Message- rom: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:39 am ubject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration will personally pay for a business bronze github subscription to help set his . e need a small handful of people who are willing to work with setting this up operly as well as people who already have tools worthy of being shared to mail hose people either permission to them in the repository. teve Will, would you be willing to be involved? Anyone who is can email me @ nmcg...@gmail.com and I will set it up this weekend then email out the formation to get this started. nce people are committed we can work out appropriate licensing info, etc. egards, n Original Message- om: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] Behalf Of Steve Romanow nt: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:16 AM : U2 Users List bject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration n order to realize this vision, does every solution have to be implemented in CK? f the goal is to make our development tasks more efficient it is making sure e labor that one of us puts in is not reproduced by another, i.e. Pick syntax les for various tools. he collaboration point whether it is pickwiki or another, does not have to st the code, but pointers to the places where the resource can be maintained operly. n example is the MAKEXML program on the wiki. I have used that many times and eriously appreciate ECL and KRJ for making it available. it perfect, not really, every time I use it, I get the docstring twice. The ki is not the way to communicate that it needs a patch. I did (which I should) fix my copy, who do I communicate it to? We also need let people know under what license we post the code under. Can I put MAKEXML on my github and patch it, giving attribution to ECL and KRJ? On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight ML, se MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG like tes.google.com or pbwiki uses. I find that only a few of these have gained fficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the other mpetitors are just more headaches. Make it searchable. Sure. I assume that any web pages are searchable. You ve to actively make something not searchable AFAIK. Useful examples - hopefully. Make sense to everyone - probably not as ossible. But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to markup I didn't address docs, but sure why not. Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really. To find a way to llaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems very b-webby to me. -Original Message- From: John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was: 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site ) Make it searchable ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone ) Also post the vendor/var docs ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking about omething else... Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Github is pretty good for that, as well as bitbucket. Forks are cheap, and you can also set yourself as watching a repo. In my bitbucket u2-tools repo is a copy of ADD_XML_ELEMENT() which was from Gregor's UV space blog. I talked to him and he was ok with me putting it up there, but that is my modded copy to work with Unidata, not universe. Nearly all of the tools we have discussed offer an rss feed. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Let's say you load a piece of code that does a great XML parsing, but I want to watch that code to get the next update from say... some other guy changing that code and republishing it right in the same spot. That's a subscription to a page change. But it's not *my* code, I didn't change it or load it. I am not sure how realistic it is for source code to be edited in wiki fashion. What about testing? Where do you file bugs or feature requests? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
There's a miscommunication here. I don't want a site where I have to go TO the site. I want the changes to come to me. Watching a github site, means you have to go to github. Rather, we should have a site where you can subscribe through email, to changes, so they come to your email box. -Original Message- From: Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:39 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration Github is pretty good for that, as well as bitbucket. Forks are heap, and you can also set yourself as watching a repo. In my bitbucket u2-tools repo is a copy of ADD_XML_ELEMENT() which was rom Gregor's UV space blog. I talked to him and he was ok with me utting it up there, but that is my modded copy to work with Unidata, ot universe. Nearly all of the tools we have discussed offer an rss feed. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Let's say you load a piece of code that does a great XML parsing, but I want o watch that code to get the next update from say... some other guy changing hat code and republishing it right in the same spot. That's a subscription to a page change. But it's not *my* code, I didn't hange it or load it. am not sure how realistic it is for source code to be edited in wiki ashion. What about testing? Where do you file bugs or feature equests? __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Does pickwiki bring changes to you? I get emails from GH and BB as well. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. What I would love to see is the MV community join the rest of the worlds developers, and sharpen our skills. We are currently way too ingrown to attract new blood. Heck, even g+ group could be fun. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: There's a miscommunication here. I don't want a site where I have to go TO the site. I want the changes to come to me. Watching a github site, means you have to go to github. Rather, we should have a site where you can subscribe through email, to changes, so they come to your email box. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
I'm sorry. I am going to continue doing what I do. Using any modern tool that I feel is helpful and/or potentially useful in my job. If anyone would like to collaborate, I'll be online, easy enough to find. Good luck everyone. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com wrote: Does pickwiki bring changes to you? I get emails from GH and BB as well. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. What I would love to see is the MV community join the rest of the worlds developers, and sharpen our skills. We are currently way too ingrown to attract new blood. Heck, even g+ group could be fun. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: There's a miscommunication here. I don't want a site where I have to go TO the site. I want the changes to come to me. Watching a github site, means you have to go to github. Rather, we should have a site where you can subscribe through email, to changes, so they come to your email box. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] guide problem
Does anybody know what would cause a segmentation fault while running guide? Red hat 2.6.9-5.ELsmp Unidata 7.1 Haven't changed the OS or Unidata version for a long time. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
No it doesn't. That's the problem I see. -Original Message- From: Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:58 am Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration Does pickwiki bring changes to you? I get emails from GH and BB as ell. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. What I would love to see is the MV community join the rest of the orlds developers, and sharpen our skills. We are currently way too ngrown to attract new blood. Heck, even g+ group could be fun. n Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: There's a miscommunication here. I don't want a site where I have to go TO the site. I want the changes to come to me. Watching a github site, means you have to go to github. Rather, we should have a site where you can subscribe through email, to hanges, so they come to your email box. __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] guide problem
You can strace it and maybe the problem will show itself. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:02 PM, charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com wrote: Does anybody know what would cause a segmentation fault while running guide? Red hat 2.6.9-5.ELsmp Unidata 7.1 Haven't changed the OS or Unidata version for a long time. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
What about Zoho? I have only used it once with a contractor and it seemed to work ok. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:58 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration Does pickwiki bring changes to you? I get emails from GH and BB as well. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. What I would love to see is the MV community join the rest of the worlds developers, and sharpen our skills. We are currently way too ingrown to attract new blood. Heck, even g+ group could be fun. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: There's a miscommunication here. I don't want a site where I have to go TO the site. I want the changes to come to me. Watching a github site, means you have to go to github. Rather, we should have a site where you can subscribe through email, to changes, so they come to your email box. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] guide problem
On 11/18/11 14:02, charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com wrote: Does anybody know what would cause a segmentation fault while running guide? Red hat 2.6.9-5.ELsmp Unidata 7.1 Haven't changed the OS or Unidata version for a long time. Not offhand -- we're RHEL 5.5 2.6.18-274.el5 with Unidata 7.2.9 I'm sure you've checked, but does it seg fault on the same single file or any file you attempt? -- Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Manager of ERP Systems Hampshire College jbut...@hampshire.edu 413-559-5556 ...we must choose between what is right and what is easy... Dumbledore ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] guide problem
Well. It happened while doing all the files and I don't know which file it occurred on. The GUIDE files just stopped outputting. No GUIDE_BRIEF was created. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation From: Jeffrey Butera jbut...@hampshire.edu To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org, Date: 11/18/2011 01:07 PM Subject:Re: [U2] guide problem Sent by:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org On 11/18/11 14:02, charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com wrote: Does anybody know what would cause a segmentation fault while running guide? Red hat 2.6.9-5.ELsmp Unidata 7.1 Haven't changed the OS or Unidata version for a long time. Not offhand -- we're RHEL 5.5 2.6.18-274.el5 with Unidata 7.2.9 I'm sure you've checked, but does it seg fault on the same single file or any file you attempt? -- Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Manager of ERP Systems Hampshire College jbut...@hampshire.edu 413-559-5556 ...we must choose between what is right and what is easy... Dumbledore ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] guide problem
Nasty file corruption (such as block of ascii nulls completely overlaying UniData group structure). Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4600 South Ulster Street, Suite 1100 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:03 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] guide problem Does anybody know what would cause a segmentation fault while running guide? Red hat 2.6.9-5.ELsmp Unidata 7.1 Haven't changed the OS or Unidata version for a long time. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
FYI - PickWiki does have an RSS feed. Also, have any of you considered Brian's U2 User wiki/website? The wiki has a WYSIWYG editor, and the website has forums. And the site may already have an RSS feed or email notifications. But let's face it, nobody's going to change or tweak your program code just because they can. If your code is useful to them, then they might download and use it. And in the slim chance they make an improvement that they think might make a difference to someone else's life, they might make the time to post their mod. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of software projects publicly available that no one takes any interest in -- why should a PICK project be any different? Sure, code snippets get discussed and rewritten here, but that's because it is a snippet, not a complete program. This is not a tool or convenience problem. Most people are simply not inspired to share what they know; those that are inspired are already sharing. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: No it (PickWiki) doesn't (bring changes to me). That's the problem I see. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Rex I have to disagree that no one's interested. I'm interested, and I think there are others who are as well. Whether or not we've all going to be interested in a new text editor, or a faster sort routine, or a BASIC tool to parse XML that remains to be seen. But the way we're going about it right now, to me, doesn't work. It's broken. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] guide problem
Steve You can strace it and maybe the problem will show itself. strace did show me which file was corrupted. It was a swp file of a SAVEDLIST. Deleted it and reran guide. Ran fine. Thanks everyone. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Rex Gozar wrote: But let's face it, nobody's going to change or tweak your program code just because they can. If your code is useful to them, then they might download and use it. snip ...This is not a tool or convenience problem. Most people are simply not inspired to share what they know; those that are inspired are already sharing. That's a realistic, if somewhat cynical view. It doesn't seem unreasonable for those who are inspired to give it a shot and see what happens. Personally, I think the question how best to collaborate on code is a solved problem: http://github.com. A wiki is not the complete answer to the question, though it can play a part. There have been many, many, attempts over the years (from BIX to usenet to U2users) to do a pick version of gnu. Maybe the time is finally right for it to work? Ian - IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential, privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
I wasn't saying that no one's interested, but rather those that are interested are already doing something to collaborate and contribute. You got your knol thing going, Tony has got his blog, Steve's got his GH and BB, and so on. A lack of tools isn't going to stop someone that's inspired to share. But I was saying that we need to set our expectations realistically. I don't expect the average PICK guy with his head down getting the job done is going to look up long enough to tweak my u2pipe program. rex On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Rex I have to disagree that no one's interested. I'm interested, and I think there are others who are as well. Whether or not we've all going to be interested in a new text editor, or a faster sort routine, or a BASIC tool to parse XML that remains to be seen. But the way we're going about it right now, to me, doesn't work. It's broken. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
That's not collaboration though. It's contribution sure, but writing and blogging and so on, don't really invite tweaking. Something more along the line of a Google Groups, with embedded documents as well. Yes I might tweak your u2pipe program if I had any idea where it was AND if it sent me an email like Rex has just updated this program -Original Message- From: Rex Gozar rgo...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 12:38 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration I wasn't saying that no one's interested, but rather those that are nterested are already doing something to collaborate and contribute. ou got your knol thing going, Tony has got his blog, Steve's got is GH and BB, and so on. A lack of tools isn't going to stop someone hat's inspired to share. But I was saying that we need to set our expectations realistically. don't expect the average PICK guy with his head down getting the job one is going to look up long enough to tweak my u2pipe program. rex On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Rex I have to disagree that no one's interested. I'm interested, and I think here are others who are as well. Whether or not we've all going to be interested in a new text editor, or a aster sort routine, or a BASIC tool to parse XML that remains to be seen. But the way we're going about it right now, to me, doesn't work. It's broken. __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Question about UniVerse indexes...
Hi, I'm trying to find a command at TCL or in BASIC that will provide a list of UV indexes. LIST.INDEX truncates the dictionary id. I know back on Prime Information you could use SELECTINDEX to get a list of indexes, or indexed values, depending on how you used the function. I'm having trouble finding a similar function... Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Tom Whitmore RATEX Business Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Question about UniVerse indexes...
I believe LIST.INDEX is just a basic program in the BP file (uv account) - you may find some info there. Mark -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Whitmore Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:11 PM To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Question about UniVerse indexes... Hi, I'm trying to find a command at TCL or in BASIC that will provide a list of UV indexes. LIST.INDEX truncates the dictionary id. I know back on Prime Information you could use SELECTINDEX to get a list of indexes, or indexed values, depending on how you used the function. I'm having trouble finding a similar function... Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Tom Whitmore RATEX Business Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Question about UniVerse indexes...
Thanks for the suggestion, the function is INDICES. Tom Whitmore RATEX Business Solutions -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:38 PM To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Question about UniVerse indexes... I believe LIST.INDEX is just a basic program in the BP file (uv account) - you may find some info there. Mark -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Whitmore Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:11 PM To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Question about UniVerse indexes... Hi, I'm trying to find a command at TCL or in BASIC that will provide a list of UV indexes. LIST.INDEX truncates the dictionary id. I know back on Prime Information you could use SELECTINDEX to get a list of indexes, or indexed values, depending on how you used the function. I'm having trouble finding a similar function... Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Tom Whitmore RATEX Business Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
