Re: [U2] Business ?
Yes, they are a large UniData house producing software and services for the PEO market, based mainly in Plymouth MA and with other regional offices in the States. They use SB+, DesignBais and a wealth of other tools. They are also a great bunch of people :) Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jeffrey Butera Sent: 28 March 2014 19:55 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Business ? Does anyone know much about FW Davidson http://www.fwdco.com? They came across my radar and I see references to Unidata along with SQL and Oracle. Just curious if anyone know precisely what solution(s) they run on Unidata... -- Jeffrey Butera, PhD Associate Director for Application and Web Services Information Technology Hampshire College 413-559-5556 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] SpreadsheetML and Excel2013
Bill You're right about the format, but the interaction between the various XML documents that make up a workbook takes some getting your head around. I wrote an article back in 2010 for Spectrum magazine (free downloads from www.intl-spectrum.com) that goes over some of this. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: 24 March 2014 18:31 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] SpreadsheetML and Excel2013 I'm not using 2013. A friend was showing me that the new word and excel files were nothing but XML inside a zip file. So, open a .xlsx or .docx file with a zip client and you can actually see its contents. Kind of amazing. Bill - Original Message - *From:* ggal...@wyanokegroup.com *To:* U2 Users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/24/2014 11:00 AM *Subject:* [U2] SpreadsheetML and Excel2013 Is anyone else having issues with Excel2013 giving errors to previously working XML files from Excel2003 It keeps telling me there is an error in the table, and says there is log file, which is blank - not helpful. George George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division, EDI Administrator ggal...@wyanokegroup.com ph:856.848.9005 Ext 220 The Wyanoke Group http://www.wyanokegroup.comhttp://www.wyanokegroup.com/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Dump truck backup
Hi Dale Since the people objecting are not the people who actually USE your system day to day, a better approach is to look to the functionality in your system, and decide how to partition this so that you can shine up the exposed parts in ways that will add value and rebrand your software.. Which means (in practical terms) a) you don't need to do it all! Where you have green screens doing drudge work, keep them so long as they continue to work well. Talk about the training issues if you don't. Instead of changing those .. b) Is there information locked in there that can be nicely represented using web pages? I took a financial system that had 15 screens of client information, 8 screens of financial instrument data, difficult to find (no search) pages to get to the transaction history etc. and put them all into a few web pages with easy drill through that meant managers could very quickly see exactly what they wanted - that's where intelligent design and use of fonts can really win over green screen. c) You can get creative if you want with tools like Google Visualisation for anything that can be trended. It's a good face lift and can even sometimes prove useful. With the same organization I wrote pages that showed trading volumes, with lots of drill down and slicing so they could better optimise their resources in supporting those. I wrote an article in a back issue of Spectrum (www.intl-spectrum.com) that shows how to do this from UniVerse. d) As that was the view most of the management had, it was good branding exercise. Some of them are convinced they have a new system (and nobody is about to disabuse them of that notion!) Getting information out of UniVerse and into the web is very easy, and if you are worried about the learning curve check out mvScript: it's a page markup language that looks like UniBasic. e) Ditto any reports or printed output - easily done. Check out mvQuery, mvPDF or a host of other ways to do this. If you can link up a query tool (like mvQuery) that opens your system and gives a nice front end to a lot of management activity. f) Oh and make sure you sell it as an upgrade to the 'current' version. That way you can recover your time in doing this AND make them feel that they have invested in their future (i.e. they are now stakeholders). We can talk about this off line if you want. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dale Kelley Sent: 10 March 2014 21:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Dump truck backup This is mostly for you folks who are contractors but I'd be happy to hear from anyone. I have a customer, Nashville Metropolitan Government, for whom I have provided flea market reservation/registration and buiding event rental software. (UniVerse.) I am a 1 man shop. I look both ways before I cross the street and so far its worked out. But the issue of continuation of development and support has come up for a second time; along with it the nature of my character based software and some reactions to UviVerse as a product. This is an email from the assistant director of the Nashville fairgrounds: Subject: ITS Help Selecting New Software Importance: High Our Flea Market and Corporate Sales components have been utilizing proprietary software that is ancient, and without documentation for many years. It has not been supported by ITS, and there is only one known person in the Tennessee area that can serviced this software. With the upgrade to Windows 7, it will not operate. Obviously, we need to purchase a package that will provide the functionality we need and that can be supported by ITS. I am requesting a meeting, with the appropriate ITS staff at the earliest possible time; to identify our needs and possible software packages that can be installed. He is incorrect in most of his conclusions, but this is his perception. I have left behind a number of great systems that are now defunct because management viewed them as ancient. Does anyone else meet this attitude? My customer defended the system with the following email. Ken Who said our software was ancient? It is not, it aids in insuring the revenue stream for both Flea Market and Facility Rental, you are correct that the software is serviced by one individual since he wrote the program, his name is Dale Kelley and he has other members on his team that know the software in the event something happens to him. As far as the upgrade to Windows 7 who said that it will not operate? This is certainly not the case, the software can be updated to run with minimal effort. You can contact Dale Kelley if you like, I have copied him on this e-mail. Thank you for your time Deborah Deborah's defense included a small lie about the members of my team; I'm it. This system is written entirely in BASIC; no procs, no scripts. I always have the source code on the system; it's theirs to use as they wish. I
Re: [U2] Reporting Tools
Jeff Try mvQuery, that should not have any problems with those volumes. Brian PS Of course for actual reports rather than CSVs, there's mvPDF.. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jeffrey Butera Sent: 28 February 2014 14:22 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Reporting Tools I'm looking for feedback from those in any industry about your report needs with U2 and what tools you use to solve them. In short, Entrinsik has serious inroads in the academic community and Informer is a reasonably good and inexpensive tool for most reports. However, we are running into issues with some users like to write large reports. Large, by out standards, are reports with 200+ columns in the output. Are others writing reports with this many output fields? If so, are you ever running up against limits in the sentence size (U_SENTLEN)? Our limit is about 9700 chars and we have some reports hitting this limit. I'm having a hard time explaining to some VP types that the database can't handle this size report... Any feedback is welcome. -- Jeffrey Butera, PhD Associate Director for Application and Web Services Information Technology Hampshire College 413-559-5556 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] ED: The very finest of 1970s technology! was: UniVerse Dictionary question
Talking of the best of 1970s technology I just found these. http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/microdata/800/69-3-0800-001_800_Ref_M an_Jun69.pdf http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/microdata/800/69-4-0810-001_810_Ref_M an_Nov69.pdf I especially love the hex/decimal tables and the instruction timings page. B ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] How do you verify windows printer is good before fatal error by PRINTing to a bogus printer.
Not quite so easy - Remember that under Windows a printer is a combination of a driver and a device. If you link to a remote printer, it needs to install the driver locally on your server so as to access the printer correctly .. that means either it has to be a model that has previously been installed (say, if you have two equivalent HP Lasers on different machines) or the client needs to have the right drivers to publish back to you - which can give problems if they are running different versions of Windows and e.g. 64 bit vs 32 bit and you haven't loaded them all. Also, BTW, being able to access the driver doesn't mean the printer is working. Most drivers only check when they actually start printing. So any 'is this printer online or offline' messages only relate to the last thing the driver knew about and not necessarily the current state. That said, you can try the DOS NET commands. NET USE will show you what you have visible already: C:\Users\briannet use New connections will be remembered. Status Local RemoteNetwork --- Unavailable LPT1: \\tiny\text1 Microsoft Windows Network The command completed successfully. Now this is NOT showing what is actually available. C:\Users\brianNET USE \\tiny\HP Color LaserJet CP2020 Series PCL6 The command completed successfully. Now it is there: Status Local RemoteNetwork --- Unavailable LPT1: \\tiny\text1 Microsoft Windows Network OK \\tiny\HP Color LaserJet CP2020 Series PCL6 Microsoft Windows Network The command completed successfully. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Report Generation
Charles I should have added mvPDF if these reports are going to be automated from the server. It has a report writer, merge forms and loads else, but is really pitched at developers (e.g. if you need to create consignment notes, invoices etc.). For end user reporting I would +1 mvQuery of course.. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com Sent: 17 January 2014 14:05 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Report Generation Thanks everyone. Your suggestions gave us plenty to look at. I am sure one of these packages will work great. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BASIC code - upper, lower, CamelCase, what say you?
There are good reasons why every modern language uses mixed case. You don't read novels in upper case and you should not read code that way. Reading is about pattern recognition and mixed case makes for better patterning ONCE you have adapted to it. This period of adapting is the reason why so many old guard don't like it ! I have coded mixed case for decades. For steam driven systems I use a precompiler to upper case keywords. You can follow conventions to ass meaning through case: Return from a GoSub and RETURN from a Call; upper case for equated or special variables (file and select vars); and more. As for searching use a decent editor. B Sent from my iPhone On 21 Dec 2013, at 14:23, Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com wrote: BFIND are your really serious. Is this one of those, we must us only use UniBasic code? Because if it is, we U2 programmers are really dinosaurs not knowing the comet already has changed the world. We have been using Eclipse since 2004. The search engine is so fast and will search my local machine, not the database, in seconds. The Eclipse search engine shows not only the program but the entire line that matches. You can click on the line in the search window and the editor start up and loads the program focusing on the line in question. Gee, you should wonder how Eclipse compares to a single telnet window driven program written UniBasic? Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Industrial strength tools for U2 programmers and shops On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:08 AM, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Not this one again -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: 20 December 2013 19:02 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] BASIC code - upper, lower, CamelCase, what say you? First off - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. I'm starting to write a lot of new BASIC (Universe 11.1) subroutines for our DesignBais application, and since I'll be starting with a blank code template instead of modifying existing code, and I thought 'hey why not join the 21st century' and make the code look more mainstream, and readable. (falling back on our last TEXMUG presentation by Clif Oliver on refactoring). And considering Universe 11.2 now supports local subroutines and functions, I should make the code look and behave more object-like. Does anyone know of a set of rules or guidelines on how to do this?Just experimenting briefly, Universe BASIC compiler will allow any mix of cases for keywords, but variables are case sensitive. Example: ED BP TEST ABC=1 Abc=2 abc=3 PRINT ABC Print Abc pRiNt abc stop end RUN TEST 1 2 3 So, how are developers mixed case in their code these day? Do keywords, local variables, common variable, equates follow a standard method? thanks in advance, ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BASIC code - upper, lower, CamelCase, what say you?
And don't try coding on an iPhone with autocomplete :) Doh. Sent from my iPhone On 21 Dec 2013, at 20:18, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: There are good reasons why every modern language uses mixed case. You don't read novels in upper case and you should not read code that way. Reading is about pattern recognition and mixed case makes for better patterning ONCE you have adapted to it. This period of adapting is the reason why so many old guard don't like it ! I have coded mixed case for decades. For steam driven systems I use a precompiler to upper case keywords. You can follow conventions to ass meaning through case: Return from a GoSub and RETURN from a Call; upper case for equated or special variables (file and select vars); and more. As for searching use a decent editor. B Sent from my iPhone On 21 Dec 2013, at 14:23, Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com wrote: BFIND are your really serious. Is this one of those, we must us only use UniBasic code? Because if it is, we U2 programmers are really dinosaurs not knowing the comet already has changed the world. We have been using Eclipse since 2004. The search engine is so fast and will search my local machine, not the database, in seconds. The Eclipse search engine shows not only the program but the entire line that matches. You can click on the line in the search window and the editor start up and loads the program focusing on the line in question. Gee, you should wonder how Eclipse compares to a single telnet window driven program written UniBasic? Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Industrial strength tools for U2 programmers and shops On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:08 AM, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Not this one again -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: 20 December 2013 19:02 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] BASIC code - upper, lower, CamelCase, what say you? First off - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. I'm starting to write a lot of new BASIC (Universe 11.1) subroutines for our DesignBais application, and since I'll be starting with a blank code template instead of modifying existing code, and I thought 'hey why not join the 21st century' and make the code look more mainstream, and readable. (falling back on our last TEXMUG presentation by Clif Oliver on refactoring). And considering Universe 11.2 now supports local subroutines and functions, I should make the code look and behave more object-like. Does anyone know of a set of rules or guidelines on how to do this?Just experimenting briefly, Universe BASIC compiler will allow any mix of cases for keywords, but variables are case sensitive. Example: ED BP TEST ABC=1 Abc=2 abc=3 PRINT ABC Print Abc pRiNt abc stop end RUN TEST 1 2 3 So, how are developers mixed case in their code these day? Do keywords, local variables, common variable, equates follow a standard method? thanks in advance, ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Exporting to File regularly
Hi David Whilst I would go with the trigger index option (you can't put a regular trigger on a directory) or capturing an ls -lst, just for completeness if you really want to use an enquiry statement UniVerse does also have SQL. So if the file names are numeric as you seem to suggest, you can use the MAX() function e.g.: SELECT MAX(@ID) FROM yourfile; You will need a dictionary item that is right justified to reference the id. It may already have that, if not change the L in field 5 of DICT yourfile @ID to R. You can send this to XML: SELECT MAX(@ID) FROM yourfile TOXML TO 'latest'; This will write it to the (fixed) XML directory as 'latest.xml': COPY XML latest.xml (TS latest.xml ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? ROOT yourfile _ID = 3/ /ROOT Or you can divert the regular screen output from the command to a file using COMO or DIVERT.OUT. Whatever is easier to parse. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Campbell Sent: 11 December 2013 05:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Exporting to File regularly Hi Everyone, I'm new to universe (a complete noob) and I couldn't quite find what I was looking for on google and I've been smashing my face against this for a while until I stumbled upon this mailing list so I was wondering if anyone could help me out here. I'm writing a script that will hopefully alert me via email whenever a new record is added to a particular universe file, if there is a better way to do this I would be all ears. I'm working around another proprietary system which operates on universe and I dont know enough about universe to really say for sure what is proprietary and what is universe standard code and the proprietary stuff is covered in NDA's and no touchy hand slappy orders so I cannot really modify the way it works, I just need to know when a new entry appears, preferably via an smtp email. My Current plan works like this I'm looking to regularly (every 5 minutes) output data into a text or csv file, doesn't matter really, so long as it is not full of characters that batch scripts hate and it can happen in an automated fashion. The closest thing I can get to what I want right now is SP.ASSIGN HS LIST FILE.NAME LPTR this lists all the records and dumps them in a spool file under /var/spool/uv/ and then a script I have written in the past retrieves that spool file for me, I have trained that spool file to look for specific markers in the first line of the file and apply a particular script to it This spooled print job gives me a list of the records that I can then sort numerically, pick the highest number, check that number against what the number was last time and alert me via email if its different. Ultimately I would love for a regularly running script to just output the highest record (maybe sort numerically and give me the highest number and dump just that number into a file on the unix box for me to retrieve and the work with. Any help would be greatly appreciated! -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Exporting-to-File-regularly -tp42264.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
Kevin I remember a long time back working for a consultancy in Oxford we had long and ineffective interview processes. Then we took on a client that was an institute of personnel directors, and found they published some very good materials on how to conduct interviews. The main lesson was to have a very clear set of goals and criteria drawn up and agreed before you go in, and a clear way to assess against that. Sounds obvious, but we weren't doing that. When we did it was much easier to decide whether they had demonstrated that they had met those criteria and we could be more analytical especially at the first interview stage. That was more valuable than trying to come up with clever questions. Technical assessment is a different story. For that, a clear task to perform with measurable criteria for correctness. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UV and Mount -t CIFS
Have you got the ALLOWNFS setting in your uvconfig set to 1 ? Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: 09 October 2013 15:16 To: U2 Users Subject: [U2] UV and Mount -t CIFS Ok... When I had RHEL5 and UV 10.0.2 running, If I did a mount using type cifs All I needed to do in UV was 1F , 2/mnt/mountname, 3D_SOURCE And I could list the directory, no problem. Due to a server issue, we had to put an emergency server in place that is Running Fedora19 (64 bit) and installed the UV 10.0.2 - which appears to Run fine. EXCEPT - when I mount the share Now when I attempt to LIST the File (or OPENPATH /mnt/sharename) it bombs out Gives me Unable to open -filename- I can as non-root, go into this share, create files, delete files and modify files so it Also works as root. So, I'm not sure if this is a UV related issue or a Fedora19/Windows machine share problem. Any ideas? I'm currently doing: mount -t cifs -o rw,username=windowsloginname //Sharename,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,cifsacl /mnt/printwizard What we do is use lpd to print our PCL to printwizard (which works) Printwizard then produces a PDF (which works) Then we read the PDF from the share on the printwizard machine (which is what is not working). ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Dick Pick
Maybe Jonathan Sisk has that page also. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: 26 September 2013 19:13 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Dick Pick Now I want to see page 146. On 9/26/2013 5:16 PM, Brian Leach wrote: This photo of Dick Pick was doing the rounds at a client this week - from Jonathan Sisk's site: http://jes.com/gfx/people/csn_1983_11_28_antigrav_dick_001.jpg ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
Ryan Good catch. Yes, as more of the UniData subsystem gets ported to UniVerse, those sites will need to become more familiar with the dark art of tuning these. It's not forgiving when you hit the limits and, frankly, most of the documentation for this reads like machine speak. One of the nice things about UniVerse is that it generally behaves even if badly tuned, and can dynamically adapt to wildly changing workloads or huge differences in resource needs between different processes - it just won't run optimally rather than falling over in a heap (unless you fill up your lock table that is grin). So whilst we reap the benefits of better replication etc. the flipside is getting used to 'No More LCT' style messages. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ladd, Ryan Sent: 25 September 2013 19:01 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Chuck, Two other new parameters that may require changing are SHM_GNTBLS and SHM_GNPAGES. The What you need to know for Eleven-One document mentions these, but in the segment that called Shared Memory Parameters that should not require changing. The key word in that statement is should. When we upgraded on AIX to 11.1.4 from 10.3.9 the defaults were used and we ran out of GCT entries fairly early in the day. I would also say that if you use dynamic files with i-type indices as well as triggers, pay close attention to the patches. You may need to modify your TXMEM parameter to avoid write errors for larger records. I remember change to the FMT statement. I believe the fix was the addition of the FMT_TEXTMARK configurable. We were lucky with that one and noticed the issue before upgrading our production environment. Ryan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rick Nuckolls Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:16 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Chuck, I agree that they took a simple (but fine) route on the local scoping. What is funny is that the interpretation of it seems to be that it allows the overriding of the production version of subroutines rather than simply creation of a safe version of gosub. It should work for both; I just never pictured it that way. Be sure to read the install notes on 11, in particular, the NUSERS config item is new important. Fixtool finally seems to work well. I know that a lot of work has gone into that over the previous couple of years. Rick -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:53 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Thanks, Rick. They're finally getting in your desired variable scoping into 11.2, too. From what I read, I like how they did it. My prejudice against being an early adopter of major releases kicks in makes me not want 11.2.0. 11.2.4 maybe. Also, if I wait until November, my window closes. The vast majority of the issues listed in the 11.1 release notes have to do with stuff we don't use at all (DR, DARE, MQ, etc), or use so minimally that complete regression testing is easy (XML, callHTTP, etc.) There were several issues having to do with indexing. I think if I validate the indexes after regression tests, that should suffice. Issues that involve locking are trickier. It will require load testing and lock contention. I am not looking forward to that. The only time in my whole career that I recall having any problem with backward compatibility after a UV upgrade is also the only time I've seen a day's worth of work for an entire company abandoned and the previous night's backups restored. There was an undocumented change to FMT was made that ended up truncating out data, if I recall. It's in the U2-list archives. Some of the same people who suffered through that are with me now. cds On 9/25/2013 12:53 AM, Rick Nuckolls wrote: Chuck, We currently have one machine running 11.1.12 with no real problems. 11.1.13 is basically a one, only-on-severe-load, bug fix, and even then, unlikely. There is at least one thing that I am expecting in 11.2 that is worth waiting for, assuming it shows up. I did not see it in the public beta. I think that 11.2 is supposed to be out around Nov 1. -Rick -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:28 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. We're finally going to upgrade from 10.2.10 to 11.1.[something]. But which point release? We're on Win2003. (Linux next year. Baby steps.) Release
Re: [U2] Dick Pick
Yes I know the link name is a little unfortunate.. Cool picture. Thank you for acknowledging the 12-year old in all of us. It's more that people might not click the link .. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of bradley.sch...@usbank.com Sent: 26 September 2013 16:10 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Dick Pick Yes I know the link name is a little unfortunate.. Cool picture. Thank you for acknowledging the 12-year old in all of us. U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
Hmm, That approach is understandable in offering a backwardly compatible solution but I wish they had been a bit braver with it.. If they had looked at what OpenQM did with creating a more class-oriented structure in their version of basic, which makes for better surfacing of methods (especially with my unit testing hat on), that would potentially have offered a lot more options. I'm guessing it's the same low-impact mindset that stopped them from doing UDO's as first class citizens of the language, instead hiding them behind an ugly function library that obscures the structure (which is surely the whole point of JSON style objects?) Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rick Nuckolls Sent: 25 September 2013 00:16 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Chuck, I agree that they took a simple (but fine) route on the local scoping. What is funny is that the interpretation of it seems to be that it allows the overriding of the production version of subroutines rather than simply creation of a safe version of gosub. It should work for both; I just never pictured it that way. Be sure to read the install notes on 11, in particular, the NUSERS config item is new important. Fixtool finally seems to work well. I know that a lot of work has gone into that over the previous couple of years. Rick -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:53 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Thanks, Rick. They're finally getting in your desired variable scoping into 11.2, too. From what I read, I like how they did it. My prejudice against being an early adopter of major releases kicks in makes me not want 11.2.0. 11.2.4 maybe. Also, if I wait until November, my window closes. The vast majority of the issues listed in the 11.1 release notes have to do with stuff we don't use at all (DR, DARE, MQ, etc), or use so minimally that complete regression testing is easy (XML, callHTTP, etc.) There were several issues having to do with indexing. I think if I validate the indexes after regression tests, that should suffice. Issues that involve locking are trickier. It will require load testing and lock contention. I am not looking forward to that. The only time in my whole career that I recall having any problem with backward compatibility after a UV upgrade is also the only time I've seen a day's worth of work for an entire company abandoned and the previous night's backups restored. There was an undocumented change to FMT was made that ended up truncating out data, if I recall. It's in the U2-list archives. Some of the same people who suffered through that are with me now. cds On 9/25/2013 12:53 AM, Rick Nuckolls wrote: Chuck, We currently have one machine running 11.1.12 with no real problems. 11.1.13 is basically a one, only-on-severe-load, bug fix, and even then, unlikely. There is at least one thing that I am expecting in 11.2 that is worth waiting for, assuming it shows up. I did not see it in the public beta. I think that 11.2 is supposed to be out around Nov 1. -Rick -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:28 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. We're finally going to upgrade from 10.2.10 to 11.1.[something]. But which point release? We're on Win2003. (Linux next year. Baby steps.) ReleaseDate Issues 11.1.13 Sept 2013 3 brand new. 11.1.12 June 201338 rescinded 11.1.11 Mar 201330 Metadata Manager introduced. 11.1.10 Dec 2012 66 11.1.9 May2012 75 11.1.8 ? 2 11.1.7Dec 2011 3 11.1.6? 4 11.1.5Nov 2011 42 11.1.4Aug 2011 17 11.1.3Jun 2011 17 11.1.2May 2011 29 11.1.1Feb 2011 45 11.1.0? 23 I generally tend to not be an early adopter when the major release first comes out unless it has a new functionality that I have a strong business need for. The later point releases tend to be bug fixes, so I am more prone to get them sooner rather than wait. In this case though, we have new functionality, Metadata Manager, introduced at 11.1.11. Are many users on 11.1.11? Happy? If i understand correctly, 11.1.12 was pulled off the market because of a bug that was fixed in 11.1.13, which just came out. So not much experience in the wild with these 2. Which one did / would you choose to upgrade to 11.1?
Re: [U2] REPLICATING DATA
There's a similar product called Syncrify. Worth a look. Re dynamic files - remember that copying dynamic files is ONLY acceptable if the files have been closed and sync to disk. On your old version of UniVerse IIRC a DB Pause/resume does not sync the dynamic file headers as it does on current versions. I would check that with Rocket before you look at doing a dbpause/resume. Dynamic files rely on current modulus, split and load information held in shared memory. That information is only written back when the file is closed. So you can copy the file over, but if that information is out of date the file will not be usable and will eventually corrupt. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Peter Cheney Sent: 05 September 2013 02:59 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] REPLICATING DATA Re rsync for windows. Try installing Cygwin and then rsync under that. I've had good success in the past with a basic (non-gui) cygwin install on a windows machine for other projects and rsync certainly works well in that environment. You can also set it up with pub/priv key auth for non-interactive operation too. I think the more recent releases of rsync will allow you to pull or push data in non daemon mode. At least that's how I use it to backup my daily work from my centos workstation (no rsync daemon running) to my crunch-bang (debian) laptop. The laptop runs the rsync out of cron. The script detects which wireless network it's on so doesn't run when at home. Setting some flags in the file system from UV and visa-versa would give you a reasonably good integration with dbpause etc etc. Cheers Peter Peter Cheney Universe Engineer t 07 3017 8837 | f 07 3002 8400 e peter.che...@firstmac.com.au | w www.firstmac.com.au From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] on behalf of Anthonys Lists [antli...@youngman.org.uk] Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 8:55 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] REPLICATING DATA On 04/09/2013 20:27, Ard956 wrote: We are on Windows Server 2003. I think you can get rsync for Windows, but also investigate robocopy. I don't know whether that can do the same. Basically, rsync will normally check file metadata and not try to copy stuff if it hasn't changed. If the metadata has changed, it will then compare MD5 sums or whatever of chunks of the file to identify which bits have changed. That way, if you have a 2Gb file and change one record, rsync will find the changed block and send just that, without having to copy the entire file. If you can find something like that, it'll give you far shorter network backup times. (Combined with DBPAUSE/DBRESUME, it might well give you zero backup downtime as seen by the users.) Cheers, Wol Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: On 03/09/13 18:33, Ard956 wrote: and we would keep replication in place as a DR solution. What OS are you on? Given that, I'd be inclined to use rsync - DBPAUSE the database to make sure it's quiescent, run an rsync, and then bring the database back. Dunno what the Windows equivalent of rsync is, but if you're backing up across machines, rsync tries to not copy stuff that hasn't changed. Cheers, Wol Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Ard956 ard...@optonline.net wrote: We are moving our servers to a new colo and wanted to replicate from the server in the old colo to the one in the new colo and then flip over to the new server one weekend. Looking to have minimal down time. Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Baker Hughes baker.hug...@mouser.com wrote: Andrea - are you wanting to replicate for the purposes of having a warm backup as DR solution, or for reporting from, or some (what) other purpose? This question will dictate the strategy and what tools to employ. We copied the entire db every night to a hot system for Business Analysis. That was put in place before EDA was available. You could spend a lot of resources and time cobbling a 'replication solution' into place, while trying to dodge an upgrade... and perhaps spend more and have less satisfactory results than proceeding with standard methodology (upgrade to get the new toolset). HTH. -Baker -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ard956 Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:19 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] REPLICATING DATA Does anyone do replication with a tool outside of the U2 toolbox? We are on UV 10.2.10 which does not support UV replication. We have no plans to upgrade at this time but need a backup for our Universe server. Our database is about 180GB. Thank you, Andrea Dente Taylored Services
Re: [U2] SQL Update Multiple rows
Hi Riverman That's obviously TSQL and therefore Microsoft specific. You can get clever in that way by mixing UniVerse SQL and EVAL expressions (which are the same as inline IDescriptors in RetrieVe) This should work the same as the example below: UPDATE Product SET Availability = EVAL IF ProductId = 1 THEN 5 ELSE IF ProductId = 2 THEN 5 ELSE IF ProductId = 6 THEN 5 ELSE Availability ; Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Riverman Sent: 22 August 2013 18:23 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] SQL Update Multiple rows Here is the SQL example I am trying to follow UPDATE dbo.Product SET Availability=CASE When ProductId='1' Then '5' When ProductId='2' Then '5' When ProductId='6' Then '10' Else Availability END My attempts UPDATE TESTFILE SET TRAN.NUMBER=CASE WHEN CONTROL.NUMBER.NFMT='9001' THEN '' WHEN CONTROL.NUMBER.NFMT='66551' THEN '' WHEN CONTROL.NUMBER.NFMT='1205' THEN '' ELSE TRAN.NUMBER END; UniVerse/SQL: A WHEN clause must have at least one multi-valued column UPDATE TESTFILE SET TRAN.NUMBER=CASE WHERE CONTROL.NUMBER.NFMT='9001' THEN '' WHERE CONTROL.NUMBER.NFMT='66551' THEN '' WHERE CONTROL.NUMBER.NFMT='1205' THEN '' ELSE TRAN.NUMBER END; UniVerse/SQL: syntax error. Unexpected symbol. Token was THEN. Scanned command was UPDATE RECEIPT SET TRANSACTION.H = CASE WHERE CONTROL.NUMBER.NFMT = 900166550841 THEN Universe 10.1.1, Windows Server 2003 -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/SQL-Update-Multiple-rows-tp 41681.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Stumped on a WRITE failure
Can you trace the process using the SysInternals tools? Sent from my iPhone On 16 Aug 2013, at 18:09, Woodward, Bob bob_woodw...@k2sports.com wrote: Hi folks, I have a UNIDATA program that is being run from a Windows Task Schedule entry that is failing on a WRITE statement and I'm having a heck of a time figuring out why. Here are some key observations and discoveries so far: - The WRITE statement has an ON ERROR that is not being executed. - Just before the WRITE statement, FILEINFO shows the file is OPEN and has a permissions value of 6 (R/W). - It does not always fail but when it does fail, it will continue to fail on that input file every time the program is run from the Windows Scheduler. - If I run the program directly, from my logged in session, it works perfectly every time. - Every tool I have says there is nothing wrong with the file I'm writing into. - There are 3 indexes on this file but they are all flagged to allow duplicates. - There are 2 triggers on this file that monitor and report for specific record ID's. (Very basic/simple logic.) I've pretty much exhausted ways, and things, that I know of to check for. This is a very specific problem that is somehow related to the data that is being processed. Can anyone think of something else I can check for? Thanks for your thoughts, Bob W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] ED PERMISSIONS subroutine
On windows host file is at: C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts Or wherever your system32 directory lives. I also remember having to turn off the netbios over tcp for all my network connections (including virtual networking/vpns). Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: 15 August 2013 16:04 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] ED PERMISSIONS subroutine When we had delays with telnet logins, we traced it back to the reverse DNS That telnetd was doing. If you put the IP addresses of the telnet clients into the hosts file on the UV server Does the delay go away? I believe on windows servers the hosts file is at c:\ but I'm not sure. Format is: IPaddresstabmachinename Ex. 192.168.0.15tabcomputer1 It does not have to be a fully qualified domain name, as if it's in the hosts file, that Usually prevents a reverse DNS lookup. George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dianne Ackerman Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:59 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] ED PERMISSIONS subroutine Yes! Actually, the login does also have the same delay. Sad to hear you didn't find a solution... On 8/15/2013 10:35 AM, mhilb...@ppcsoftware.com wrote: Dianne, Does your login to telnet sessions also have this same delay? We experienced this problem (with ED and with Login); never fixed it. The company was a multinational that managed user priveleges at an international corporate level, so even though we are in Argentina, supoosedly there was some validation going on at a server in the US or elsewhere. The multinational sold local operations to a local company and the problem went away when we left the corportate network. On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:25:35 -0500, George Gallen wrote: To me, if it is causing a delay that was not there before - raises red flags and back hairs of read disk errors (or gonna be errors soon). Can you do a disk scan? George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dianne Ackerman Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:51 AM To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] ED PERMISSIONS subroutine Does anyone know anything about the -PERMISSIONS subroutine used by the ED verb in Universe? Running 11.1.12 on Windows, the ED verb has a huge delay and we've tracked it down to that subroutine call in the basic ED program. If I could look at that subroutine to see what it's doing, maybe I can figure out what's causing that delay. Thanks! -Dianne ED BP ED.B The file BP is read-only and cannot be updated. 3988 lines long. : L PERMISSIONS 0153: PERMISSIONS = '-PERMISSIONS' : L 0308: CALL @PERMISSIONS(EDIT.FILE,EDIT.PERM.MODE,EDIT.PERM.IN,EDIT .PERM.OUT) : EX ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] KeyPressed
Just for information now, Input thisKey, -1 just returns whether or not there is anything in the input buffer. It doesn't input it. So - * test .. Loop (stuff) Input IsSomethingThere, -1 Until IsSomethingThere Do Repeat * and clear it out .. Loop Input IsSomethingThere,-1 Do While IsSomethingThere Do Discard = KeyIn() Repeat Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: 09 August 2013 21:04 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] KeyPressed With Dynamic Connect... and UniBasic... I need a screen that continuously displays time... as we have an inspection screen where press operators enter fresh data each hour. Something like... loop call *timeOfDay call *displayOtherStuff input thisKey, -1 until (thisKey = '1') sleep repeat gosub secondScreen The trouble with this thing is... when a key is pressed... it wants to display the key on asubsequent screen. I tried...inputclear... but it is not doing what I want. Suggestions would be appreciated. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Large DICT affecting I/O
Jeff By 'large dictionary' do you mean that the dictionary itself is too large - has lots of synonyms - or that the data it is describing has that number of fields and so has become too large for efficient storage? If the former, I've found people often forget to resize their dictionaries and the VOC file alongside the data. VOC is particularly vulnerable as everything goes through it. I've seen a VOC file with half a million entries in it on one site. Dictionary and VOC are no different storage wise to other files, they need to be cared for :) In terms of the records being described, however, that's more of an issue. Are you getting efficient storage? If data is being prematurely pushed into overflow - even level 1 - that's bound to cause performance issues. And UniData doesn't have the hint mechanisms of UniVerse so I'd suspect that accessing higher order fields would be slow, though I've not benchmarked that. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jeffrey Butera Sent: 07 August 2013 04:09 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Large DICT affecting I/O I'm curious how large of a DICTionary some of you have worked with and, in particular, how very large DICTs can adversely affect applications. We have a DICT approaching 1500 data elements (no idescs) - which is quite large for us. But I'm curious if others have DICTs this large or larger and have no adverse affect on their application performance. This is Unidata 7.3.4 if it matters. -- Jeffrey Butera, PhD Associate Director for Application and Web Services Information Technology Hampshire College 413-559-5556 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Pick flavor in U2 personal edition
Eric The easiest way is to run Universe in a directory that isn't already set up as an account. Start - Run - cmd.exe Then: Cd \parent_for_accounts Mkdir myaccount Cd myaccount \u2\uv\bin\uv This will then pop up asking you to create the account, and the flavor. Choose option 3. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: 02 August 2013 21:30 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Pick flavor in U2 personal edition Eric see https://docs.rocketsoftware.com/nxt/gateway.dll/RKB14/universe/103/newinstal l.pdf When you Create an Account it asks for the flavor, or at least allows you to specify the flavor. -Original Message- From: Eric Armstrong earmstr...@lobelfinancial.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Pick flavor in U2 personal edition Thanks to all who responded. I am using Universe 11.1.12 I currently have only one acct, C:\U2\UvPe. I don't see UniAdmin anywhere. Where would I find it and/or where do I get it? Thanks in advance, Eric Armstrong Programmer/Analyst Lobel Financial LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] XML or JSON converter for Unibasic
My preferred solution is to use a middle tier web service in C#, that exposes method calls for either XML or JSON (automatic, just depends on the content-type in the request). Then you can call that from anything that expects JSON or SOAP. But that's only because I began doing that long before restful web services got built into the product. Or bypass PHP and use mvScript if you can live with IIS. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com Sent: 02 August 2013 17:12 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] XML or JSON converter for Unibasic I am looking for a way to send the output of a Unidata data query in Unibasic back to a web server (PHP) for building web pages. Up until now I have used a proprietary method (LF, HTAB, etc.), but I would like to simplify/standardize the method. Seems like this could be done with XML, or JSON or something I don't know about. Has anyone had experience with this and could you offer some advice? Hoping for a simple subroutine approach as opposed to a comprehensive commercial package. Management here is very price sensitive. When I say price sensitive, I mean that if it costs anything, they get their panties all in a bunch. A few hundred dollars might be sellable, a few thousand would not be. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] What is true
To clarify In multivalue, True is not False, where False is anything that is 'falsy' i.e. zero or empty. Obviously different than other languages, notably those where true is -1 (all bits set on a signed integer). So: A = HELLO IF A THEN CRT A : WORLD Gives HELLO WORLD Regarding file variables, the best way to check for these being assigned on UniVerse is to use FILEINFO(). If FileInfo(SomeUnassignedVariable, 0) Then Crt This is an open file variable End Else Crt This isn't End Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UD] BASIC Code Failing
David I add version stamps to my code that compile into the object code, so at least I can easily check that the source and object (including that in catdir) matches what I expect. That's at least a small and easy step in the right direction, though that doesn't rule out changes that don't update the stamp of course. The stamps are always updated by my cutting routines and then the items are then added to source control as part of the cut... If you did something similar you can always diff what you've got against your source code control system rather than reinventing the wheel. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Hona, David Sent: 01 August 2013 10:49 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] BASIC Code Failing In UV we're had similar strange problems with seemingly unchanged source/object code - not work as per normal and things going amiss for no good reason...once we found the object code in BP and the catalog space were mismatched and simply re-catalog'd it. Another time we re-compiled a program - as it was always invoked via RUN BP PROGNAME... in both instances the problem seem to go away. This was in a controlled product environment so it's in highly unlikely someone could of or would've changed the code... In UV you can do a VCATALOG to verify the BASIC object to what is actually catalogued... All of these issues made me wonder if our implementation routines need to have a more robust. More robust in terms of storing some control information for both pre/post verification - hence being able to detect 'unauthorised changes' through the various stages. This could include calculating and storing (say) MD5 (etc) hashes on the source and object to cross verify changes. Hence, make it more easy to detect object or source changes outside the authorised/control deployment process... without having to go through every single file and comparing to tape or disk backups, etc., etc. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013 6:06 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] BASIC Code Failing John: That's an interesting thought. We do backups of the application account every night, so I do have the last 10 days object code in a backup (plus the last four months weekly backups). I'll look at this the next time it happens. Thanks, Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* jhes...@momtex.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 7/30/2013 11:01 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] [UD] BASIC Code Failing I would also consider the possibility of data corruption at the hardware level. Granted, I would expect that you'd also occasionally find anomalies within your source code and data files if this were the case, but I don't know how your filesystems are set up. If the object code has become corrupt, that would explain why recompiling fixes the problem. The newly created object code will be stored on a new location in the filesystem. Fortunately this possibility is very easy to test for. Just make a copy of your application account on alternate storage and wait for the problem to recur. When it does, open the live object file and your backup copy in an editor with diff capability (Notepad++ is a good one) and see if they still match. -John ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] What is true
Haha - so Scotland is already independent then ... grin It's not the parentheses that define the Boolean, it's the equality by the way. Parentheses just force the precedence. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jim Swain Sent: 01 August 2013 13:24 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] What is true This is not true as when A='HELLO' IF (A) returns true. You use the parenthesis to set a Boolean variable, i.e BRITISH = (COUNTRY = 'ENGLAND' OR COUNTRY = 'WALES') etc the var BRITISH is set to 1 when the conditions inside the parenthesis are met, otherwise BRITISH is set to 0 Jim Swain - Developer Telephone: +44 (0) 1295 701 810 | Fax: +44 (0) 1295 701 819 www.zafire.com Consider the environment. Think before you print. This is a commercial communication from Zafire Group. This communication is confidential and is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not that person you are not permitted to make use of the information and you are requested to notify us immediately that you have received it and then destroy the copy in your possession. Zafire Group may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails. By replying to this e-mail you consent to such monitoring. This e-mail message and any attached files have been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. However, you are advised that you open attachments at your own risk. Zafire Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales. Co. Reg. No. 3968255. Our registered address is Zafire House, Manor Park, Banbury, Oxfordshire OX16 3TB. VAT Reg.No. 754 0161 55. Zafire Aviation Software Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales. Co. Reg. No. 05577742. Our registered address is Zafire House, Manor Park, Banbury, Oxfordshire OX16 3TB. VAT Reg.No. 874 5890 70 If you have any concerns regarding the content of this e-mail please contact postmas...@zafire.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Whitmore Sent: 01 August 2013 13:17 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] What is true Hi, To add a little more to the discussion. I know in UniVerse this is true and I suspect it is true in other flavors of Pick. If you wrap a variable in parenthesis it will be treated as a Boolean test. For example: A='' IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' will result in FALSE. A=0 IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' will result in FALSE. A='HELLO' IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' will result in TRUE. A=1 IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' will result in TRUE. I have found this useful in coding. Tom Whitmore RATEX Business Solutions -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 4:40 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] What is true To clarify In multivalue, True is not False, where False is anything that is 'falsy' i.e. zero or empty. Obviously different than other languages, notably those where true is -1 (all bits set on a signed integer). So: A = HELLO IF A THEN CRT A : WORLD Gives HELLO WORLD Regarding file variables, the best way to check for these being assigned on UniVerse is to use FILEINFO(). If FileInfo(SomeUnassignedVariable, 0) Then Crt This is an open file variable End Else Crt This isn't End Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UD] BASIC Code Failing
Dale The stamp I use assigns a dummy variable using strings that contain searchable keys. That means when the code is compiled these strings end up unaltered in the object code string table, so that they can be easily found and extracted. For example: VERDATA='' VERDATA := 'Version=001000136;' VERDATA := 'VerBeta=;' VERDATA := 'VerDate=16637;' VERDATA := 'VerProd=mvPDF;' VERDATA := 'VerTM=mvPDF;' VERDATA := 'VerCopy=2013 Brian Leach Consulting Limited;' VERDATA := 'VerCo=Brian Leach Consulting Limited;' VERDATA := 'VerDesc=Produce a PDF Document by merging data;' VERDATA := 'CatName=PDF.MERGE;' VERDATA := 'VerModule=GENERAL;' VERDATA := 'VerModVer=002003022;' VERDATA := 'VerHist=19 JUL 13 1.0.136 Release 2.3.22;' A useful addition is that I have a I Descriptor that returns this, so I can list the source or object file and rip out these details: LIST pdf.bp.O PDF.MERGE 01:02:24pm 01 Aug 2013 PAGE1 pdf.bp.O.. Version.. Version Description... Module Version PDF.MERGE 1.0.136 Produce a PDF Document by merging data 2.3.22 I did put some free code on my website to do this - look for mvStamp. As for cutting or build scripts, these refer to anything that builds your software.. every site should have something to do this, to ensure a smooth and automated transition from test to live or for deployment. In my case, the build process usually consists of a script written in vbscript (WSH) that runs the various client side builds (for Delphi, C# etc.) then uses UniObjects to execute a server side cutting paragraph passing the new version number. This typically updates the version stamps, recompiles everything, handles any platform builds (most of my stuff runs on UniVerse, UniData, QM and D3), updates a README document from my task system, adds them all into revision control, then calls mvInstaller to build the release package. Then control passes back to the vbscript to assemble the setup (InstallShield or visual studio) and zip the resulting setup ready for upload. I did think about kicking off all the unit tests as well but I prefer to do that after a test installation. All of which took some setting up to begin with but has saved enormous amounts of time and agony since. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dale kelley Sent: 01 August 2013 12:27 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] BASIC Code Failing Brian, Is the stamp just VERSION = 123 ,? Could you explain what you mean by cutting routines, I've either never heard that term or my old timers is kicking in. dale On 08/01/2013 06:09 AM, Brian Leach wrote: David I add version stamps to my code that compile into the object code, so at least I can easily check that the source and object (including that in catdir) matches what I expect. That's at least a small and easy step in the right direction, though that doesn't rule out changes that don't update the stamp of course. The stamps are always updated by my cutting routines and then the items are then added to source control as part of the cut... If you did something similar you can always diff what you've got against your source code control system rather than reinventing the wheel. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Hona, David Sent: 01 August 2013 10:49 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] BASIC Code Failing In UV we're had similar strange problems with seemingly unchanged source/object code - not work as per normal and things going amiss for no good reason...once we found the object code in BP and the catalog space were mismatched and simply re-catalog'd it. Another time we re-compiled a program - as it was always invoked via RUN BP PROGNAME... in both instances the problem seem to go away. This was in a controlled product environment so it's in highly unlikely someone could of or would've changed the code... In UV you can do a VCATALOG to verify the BASIC object to what is actually catalogued... All of these issues made me wonder if our implementation routines need to have a more robust. More robust in terms of storing some control information for both pre/post verification - hence being able to detect 'unauthorised changes' through the various stages. This could include calculating and storing (say) MD5 (etc) hashes on the source and object to cross verify changes. Hence, make it more easy to detect object or source changes outside the authorised/control deployment process... without having to go through every single file and comparing to tape or disk backups, etc., etc. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
Re: [U2] What is true
Which is why I used it in my response. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Clark Sent: 01 August 2013 17:10 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] What is true on universe, it looks like only fileinfo(var,0) will let you test. fileinfo(var,1) etc will abort complaining that var isn't a file variable On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Martin Phillips martinphill...@ladybridge.com wrote: on universe (not sure of unidata), you can use FILEINFO() to see if something is a file variable: x= crt fileinfo(x,0) returns 0. Would return 1 for an open file. This originated in Prime Information and is available on UniVerse, UniData, PI/open, QM, and probably a few others. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Ltd 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England +44 (0)1604-709200 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] What is true
At T said that's in other languages (notably C style languages where = is always assignment and == or === is equality/equivalence). In Pascal and Delphi := is assignment, which gets confusing when you have three windows open, one with UniVerse Basic, one with Delphi and one with C# or JavaScript, and you're writing end-to-end code ! In MultiValue code = always binds to a LHS value as an assignment, and otherwise as an equality. So yes, X = Y = 3 is the same as X = (Y = 3) But the parentheses make it clearer and do force precedence though in your example the resulting ordering actually works out to be the same as the original (it still forces an expression jump in a compiler). Consider: X = X + Y = 3 You'd want to know whether you mean: X = (X + Y) = 3 Or X = X + (Y = 3) Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jim Swain Sent: 01 August 2013 17:46 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] What is true Now I'm getting confused... its not a case of precedence In the case of X = Y = 3 X is set to 1 (true) when Y = 3 X is set to 0 (false) when Y # 3 X in this instance will never = 3 Jim Swain - Developer Telephone: +44 (0) 1295 701 810 | Fax: +44 (0) 1295 701 819 www.zafire.com Consider the environment. Think before you print. This is a commercial communication from Zafire Group. This communication is confidential and is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not that person you are not permitted to make use of the information and you are requested to notify us immediately that you have received it and then destroy the copy in your possession. Zafire Group may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails. By replying to this e-mail you consent to such monitoring. This e-mail message and any attached files have been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. However, you are advised that you open attachments at your own risk. Zafire Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales. Co. Reg. No. 3968255. Our registered address is Zafire House, Manor Park, Banbury, Oxfordshire OX16 3TB. VAT Reg.No. 754 0161 55. Zafire Aviation Software Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales. Co. Reg. No. 05577742. Our registered address is Zafire House, Manor Park, Banbury, Oxfordshire OX16 3TB. VAT Reg.No. 874 5890 70 If you have any concerns regarding the content of this e-mail please contact postmas...@zafire.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 01 August 2013 17:34 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] What is true Just adding a little more subtlety. Consider: X = Y = 3 In some languages this sets Y to 3 and then X to Y, so X=3. But in BASIC, as Brian said, we need to force the precedence on Y=3 before X=Y. In other contexts, parentheses force an equation. Consider: SUBROUTINE FOO( X,Y,Z ) and CALL FOO( X,Y,(Z) ) In this case, X and Y can be set and returned. But the third argument is an equation, and while FOO can write to the variable in its own context, when the data comes back it's read-only, since what went out was not a variable but the result of the evaluation of an equation. (X) does nothing to define the Boolean nature of a variable. While it's a nice visual cue it's not functional in the code. T From: Brian Leach It's not the parentheses that define the Boolean, it's the equality by the way. Parentheses just force the precedence. From: Jim Swain This is not true as when A='HELLO' IF (A) returns true. You use the parenthesis to set a Boolean variable, i.e BRITISH = (COUNTRY = 'ENGLAND' OR COUNTRY = 'WALES') etc the var BRITISH is set to 1 when the conditions inside the parenthesis are met, otherwise BRITISH is set to 0 From: Tom Whitmore If you wrap a variable in parenthesis it will be treated as a Boolean test. For example: A='HELLO' IF (A) THEN CRT 'TRUE' ELSE CRT 'FALSE' will result in TRUE. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Anti-fraud software
Jerry You might want to contact Susan Joslyn. She seems pretty switched onto anything in the compliance/fraud arenas. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: 01 August 2013 17:54 To: U2 Users Group Technical Subject: [U2] Anti-fraud software Are any of you using some sort of anti-fraud software? If so, what? Did you build it yourself or is there a software package out there that will work with UniVerse. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Anti-fraud software
Jerry Do you mean Software written in UniVerse that monitors anti-fraud activity Or Software written to prevent fraudulent use of a UniVerse application? Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: 01 August 2013 17:54 To: U2 Users Group Technical Subject: [U2] Anti-fraud software Are any of you using some sort of anti-fraud software? If so, what? Did you build it yourself or is there a software package out there that will work with UniVerse. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] CentOS with Universe?
Has anyone tried running on Windows Core? Thats the preferred option for HIgh Availability with Sql Server. Dont know if that is possible for uv. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Jul 2013, at 05:11, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com wrote: Dawn, you and I have had chats about Windows vs Linux before. In many ways the landscape has changed but honestly it's still the same for many of the reasons you had for avoiding Windows in the first place. My approach is the be versatile and many of our colleagues do the same - just use whatever works in a given context and try not to lock yourself in to any one OS. While that does introduce a need to add more skills into the toolkit, overall it's not that bad. I have more issues shifting mental gears between MV environments than OS's. My rule of thumb is to use IIS when I need .NET and Windows tools but to use Linux when I need shell and common FOSS packages like Drupal, WordPress, Bugzilla, etc. I don't care if I should be able to run WAMP, most GNU-based FOSS these days is coded with prejudice against Windows and we simply need LAMP to run it. All in all, while I haven't settled on a single provider yet, I have tried services with Amazon, RackSpace, Dreamhost, and a couple others I can't recall. They're pretty much all the same except when it comes to support when you really need it - caveat emptor. There are a few companies in our industry who also specialize in hosting MV environments - take a look around. As far as hosting, root-access hosts are dirt-cheap these days, and most don't weigh you down with licensing issues anymore either. With the exception of MV DBMS vendors, most tier-1 providers recognize that they make more from having a 10, 100, or 1000 systems out there than they do trying to get a single site to pay for 10, 100, or 1000 licenses. (Rant on clueless MV marketing and industrial suicide omitted.) Finally, we're talking about doing business. If you're running a production server then your revenue needs to cover the total expense of doing business. You're not paying support fees, your clients are, and if that eats into your expected profits and budgeting then perhaps your business model needs a tweak rather than taking chances with lack of support. If you're not charging for services then you should consider a freemium model, as this is how other sites manage. If this is a totally unfunded operation then perhaps going with freeware is your best option. HTH T From Dawn Wolthuis We are nailing down costs from the hosting provider for each option. It looks like Windows 2008 Standard is less expensive per month than RHEL 6 with the hosting site we are using (primarily because of the $500 annual cost for RHEL). My colleague uses his own perl scripts with apache, so he is not excited about IIS. My only issue with IIS has to do with poor experiences to date, but when I check the date, it is somewhere around 2001. Perhaps I need not hold a grudge that long? cheers! --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] File type 30 (dynamic)
Scott The idea behind a dynamic file is to spread the pain of administration over the lifetime of an application. So yes, there are overheads and whilst a well-sized static file will outperform it, a dynamic file in turn will normally outperform a badly sized static file. There are some caveats, mostly relating to accessing the file outside of the database. If you use an OS level backup or snapshot, or anything that looks at these from the OS level, you need to make sure your dynamic files are closed OR you have paused your database - Universe holds runtime dynamic file parameters in shared memory and without those getting written back to the file header (which happens in the pause) the files will break if you restore them. Most of the prejudice against them goes back to the old PICKies who migrated to Universe at a time when they weren't particularly stable and had performance issues around concurrency with the way they effectively single threaded their sizing operations. They were also doubly expensive on UNIXes that had tight limitations on the number of open (OS level) files. But that was a long time ago. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Scott Zachary Sent: 09 July 2013 17:15 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] File type 30 (dynamic) I have very little experience with using dynamic (type 30) files and I'm looking for some pointers in that regard. I have a file that I am considering creating as a dynamic file. The file will be a log file with sequential numeric keys. The record size will normally range from about 200 to 700 bytes, with a probable maximum size of less than 1,000 bytes. We expect the file to continually grow without deletions and we will likely purge it annually. What are the pro's and con's of creating this file as type 30 verses other file types? Thanks, Scott Zachary UniVerse Developer Gardens Alive! Inc -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/File-type-30-dynamic-tp4112 9.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Not a U2 question - Graphics on a dot matrix
Is there a windows driver for it? If so you could use mvPDF rather than Esc-P to drive the graphics. Might be a lot easier in the long run. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Leckie Sent: 18 June 2013 10:35 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] Not a U2 question - Graphics on a dot matrix Sorry guys, Does anyone have any example code of sending graphics to dot matrix printers using ESC/P commands in Unibasic or similar ? Regards Jonathan Leckie Blairs Windows Limited is a company registered in Scotland. Company No: SC393935. Registered office: 9 Baker Street, Greenock, PA15 4TU. V.A.T. registration No: 108729111 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Resurrecting a crashed session
I second that - I know one investment bank uses screen for their telnet/ssh sessions. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 12 June 2013 22:16 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Resurrecting a crashed session On 12/06/13 15:35, Dan Goble wrote: If you are using unix / linux as your OS then, use the tandem command to attach to the session. At the unix prompt as root type in tandem unidata_session_number Then the esc key F to enter and esc key X to exit Or use the screen command. It sticks a layer between your network session and the command you're running specifically so you can do that sort of thing. I've never really used it so I can't give you any hints but I know that's what it's meant for. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Rocket Software User Group
For anyone who hasn't seen the announcements - Dear U2UG members and all U2 Users, As many have noticed, U2UG has been very quiet lately. U2UG began in the Fall of 2003 via an exchange of ideas on the U2-USERS listserv. The concept for a user group was to facilitate a way to unite users of the U2 products and to provide an umbrella for 'all things U2'. The idea included a common way to exchange ideas, discuss technical information, provide marketing stories, share resources, and promote the technology - all from a grass roots effort. U2UG has benefitted from wonderful contributions by past and present board members and from the significant contributions of the U2 community. At this juncture, 10 years later, the current board felt that it was time to evaluate where we are, assess what we've learned, focus on where we want to be, and how to best serve the Rocket Software user community. As such, we have some exciting news! With the support of Rocket Software, we've formed The International Rocket Software Users Group or RSUG. This new group will provide a framework for numerous special interest groups based on specific products in Rocket's family of products. One of these SIGS will be U2UG. In this way, U2UG can reach out to the other technology groups, help understand those products and how we may be able to use them within our environment, and to spread the word about U2 technology outward to these other product groups. Examples of these special interest groups include CorVu, Legasuite, and Aldon. We expect to have members on the RSUG board from U2UG as well as from the other SIGS. We'd love to have you involved. If you're interested, please contact i...@rsusers.com. And please look for more announcements in the near future. Thank you for your continued support, and for your support of all things U2. Sincerely, The Establishing Board of RSUG ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] AES Encryption Of CC Numbers
Hi Gary Sadly the Basic ENCRYPT() function only does DES and RCn encryption. You should look at the Automatic Data Encryption features in the database itself - these are described in the security manual. That includes AES encryption, but you need to do careful planning and impact assessments before switching on ADE - it is not trivial and has ramifications. Otherwise you are probably looking at GCI or a service call to handle the encryption/decryption. Which product (UniVerse or UniData) and which platform (Windows/*nix) are you on? Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Gary Heiman Sent: 03 May 2013 06:37 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] AES Encryption Of CC Numbers Hi folks - I'm new to this community, but aged in Multivalue Experience. Forgive me if this was aswered previously, but does anybody know of an algorithm in MV Basic to Encrypt/DeCrypt Credit Card Numbers based on one of the industry standards AES ? Thanks in advance ! Gary -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:00 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: U2-Users Digest, Vol 49, Issue 2 Send U2-Users mailing list submissions to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org You can reach the person managing the list at u2-users-ow...@listserver.u2ug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of U2-Users digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Would anyone else like a change to *HS.UPDFINFO? (Allen Bell) 2. Re: Would anyone else like a change to *HS.UPDFINFO? (Brian Whitehorn) 3. Re: Would anyone else like a change to *HS.UPDFINFO? (Gregor Scott) 4. Re: Would anyone else like a change to *HS.UPDFINFO? (Bill Haskett) 5. Re: Would anyone else like a change to *HS.UPDFINFO? (Brian Whitehorn) 6. Re: History of Prime Information (Anthonys Lists) 7. Re: History of Prime Information (Wjhonson) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 15:15:54 -0500 From: Allen Bell apb...@psiwav.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Would anyone else like a change to *HS.UPDFINFO? Message-ID: 518177fa.40...@psiwav.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I vote yes. Drives me crazy how it works AB On 5/1/2013 10:56 AM, Jeff Schasny wrote: That would be a nice feature. I do believe that it only processes files with a * or *SELECT dictionary item however. Gregor Scott wrote: I am trying to get Rocket to improve the behaviour of *HS.UPDFINFO to support active select lists so that only the files I want built into the .hs_fileinfo cache item (rather than have EVERY SINGLE F/Q-type item from the VOC included). Support inform me that I seem to be the only person interested in such a change, so I thought I would at least ask the question of the U2 community. Would anyone else find it useful to have the *HS.UPDFINFO command enhanced to support select lists, or have a new command created that deals with select lists? Thanks Gregor This email and any attachments to it are confidential. You must not use, disclose or act on the email if you are not the intended recipient. Liability limited by a scheme approved under Professional Standards Legislation. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 09:04:21 +1000 From: Brian Whitehorn brian.whiteh...@tollgroup.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Would anyone else like a change to *HS.UPDFINFO? Message-ID: 8B2F56DD2EABE24F998D2EF72FAE066F02A1147A@EXMDOV02.tollgroup.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +1 Dan, perhaps something along the lines of uservoice (www.uservoice.com) where votes and feedback can be collated might add additional value, this being a good example. Regards, Brian. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Gregor Scott Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 3:29 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Would anyone else like a change to *HS.UPDFINFO? I am trying to get Rocket to improve the behaviour of *HS.UPDFINFO to support active select lists so that only the files I want built into the .hs_fileinfo cache item (rather than have
Re: [U2] Write failure FB8 error!
Hello Ara The pc = FB8 error is the program counter - it can tell you where in your program the error occurred, but not the reason. It should relate to a VLIST of the program. The most likely is that something has affected the file being written, but it could also be an index on that file. What type of file is the GL file? Generally - 1. take a backup of the file 2. take a copy of the file at the operating system level to play with. 3. use fixtool to scan and look for any errors. 4. if you can work out the record that failed to write, you can use the RECORD command to find out which group it would hash to in order to narrow down the search. 5. If you are on Windows, check the error log. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Aramaies Baghdasraian Sent: 25 April 2013 22:56 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Write failure FB8 error! Good afternoon, I was wondering if anyone has seen pc = FB8 WRITE FAILURE errors on universe. I am running a module which updates the account numbers in G/L file. The program does a readseq, removes, control characters, and attempts to write 10 digit G/L numbers into G/L file. It runs properly in development and test accounts, however in production platform it fails on different account numbers and give write failure error msg. I have added display command to display the account numbers as program runs..and the final run crashed with the WRITE FAILURE pc FB8 error. Any idea/comments will be appreciated! Ara Baghdasraian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Refactoring Tools
Hello Tony Thanks for the heads-up. I'll take a look. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 22 April 2013 21:29 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Refactoring Tools Brian, on my freeware page I have a Merge/Split routine. I use it to merge Included code modules so that I can run, debug, and edit them as a unit, then split the modules off back into their components. From there, re-compiling all code allows the entire app to benefit from an individual effort. http://Nebula-RnD.com/freeware/ The utility gets a uniquely stamped backup of every item before every operation to ensure nothing gets lost. WRT your query, it sounds like you want to factor out common code. I'd approach this by writing a utility that scans items for common blocks of text, wrapping those blocks with start/end markers which I use in the Merge/Split. So let's say you have 100 lines that start with label FOO: * do foo. Wrap that as follows: *! START.INCLUDE INC.FOO FOO: * do foo *! END.INCLUDE With all program items marked like that, run the Merge/Split on them and do a split (without a prior merge since you're creating new Includes). You'll get a single INC.FOO item and all other items will then INCLUDE INC.FOO at the right location. This will take some manual effort. You don't really know what blocks to refactor out until you've looked around for common patterns, and you will find a lot of blocks that are close but not quite the same. You could factor out all FOO subroutines into individual items, then delete items that are the same, and modify code which includes that code to use a single Include item. The most benefit comes when you find lots of large common blocks of code. This usually comes in the form of long EQUate lists, Common definitions, blocks of Open statements, and logging and other housekeeping. You may even find value in Includes of Includes. If you do use the Merge/Split freeware, I'd appreciate if you'd pass back any updates you make for this specific purpose. Aside from that more manual approach, check out mvToolbox. It has a ton of features that do all sorts of magical things - for all I know it might have some hidden function to help to refactor out an entire application. Some developers load it to every new site they work on, to organize app code before doing any other work on it. (Yes, that needs to be done properly.) http://www.mvtoolbox.com/index.html Use that link to avoid getting passed off to the awful awful web ring. While marketed via a poor website, mvToolbox is great software which only suffers from having too many features and too much documentation. Get over the too/too issue and you will find a number of gems in there at too low of a price for such a useful tool. HTH T From: Brian Leach I'm doing some intensive work with a large UniVerse site to assist them in migrating their 20 year old code base and working practices to full Agile, XP and TDD. They are really enthusiastic in embracing the modern world and making good progress, but there is a huge amount of legacy code to be cleaned up and test harnessed. So before I spend time possibly reinventing the wheel, does anyone know of any good refactoring tools for UniVerse Basic? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Refactoring Tools
Jeff - Exactly :) I mean refactoring as in restructuring old code to make it more testable and consistent. You find these tools for .NET, java and other languages though there the model is different because of the OO nature. Universe code doesn't decompose down the same way but I was just wondering whether anyone had built some assisting tools before I have to start designing and building some. Example, an slice through a program that mixes UI and business logic to rip out the useful guts into external subroutines for unit testing whilst preserving the overall logic safely. Which means the tool needs at least a rudimentary understanding of code syntax and scope rather than just stripping lines out. (e.g. this block sets a local variable as a by-product, that also just happens to be used 5,000 lines later on in a GoSub so it needs to be surfaced if the block is externalized - that kind of stuff that could easily get lost). I've written plenty of code analysis software but not specifically for this. Regards Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny Sent: 22 April 2013 19:49 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Refactoring Tools *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_refactoring Code refactoring is a disciplined technique for restructuring an existing body of code, altering its internal structure without changing its external behavior,[1] undertaken in order to improve some of the nonfunctional attributes of the software. Advantages include improved code readability and reduced complexity to improve the maintainability of the source code, as well as a more expressive internal architecture or object model to improve extensibility. My translation: Remove the spaghetti without changing functionality. *Wjhonson wrote: Perhaps by refactoring you mean just to make the code more consistent. Yes and no. Decompiling the object code, will enforce consistency, however at the expense of readability. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 5:26 am Subject: [U2] Refactoring Tools Hi All I'm doing some intensive work with a large UniVerse site to assist them in migrating their 20 year old code base and working practices to full Agile, XP and TDD. They are really enthusiastic in embracing the modern world and making good progress, but there is a huge amount of legacy code to be cleaned up and test harnessed. So before I spend time possibly reinventing the wheel, does anyone know of any good refactoring tools for UniVerse Basic? Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Refactoring Tools
Hi All I'm doing some intensive work with a large UniVerse site to assist them in migrating their 20 year old code base and working practices to full Agile, XP and TDD. They are really enthusiastic in embracing the modern world and making good progress, but there is a huge amount of legacy code to be cleaned up and test harnessed. So before I spend time possibly reinventing the wheel, does anyone know of any good refactoring tools for UniVerse Basic? Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [uv] Phantom question
Hi Mark If you have it, try running pwdx process_id PS for anyone wanting this for Windows, the SysInternals process monitor shows it. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: 27 March 2013 17:59 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [uv] Phantom question I see several phantoms running with I do a PORT.STATUS Question is - is it possible to determine which Account they are running in? I have several accounts and not sure where they are actually running. They launch with the BRIEF option, so no output in PH TIA, Mark Uv 10.2 RH Linux ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] List..
Hi Satya When you LIST a file, the database shows you one of a number of things. 1. If you are on UniData and have an @UQ phrase, it will show that. 2. If you have an @ phrase, it will show that. 3. If not, it will show the key field (@ID). Now, the @ and @UQ phrases are known as the default listing. The idea of this is to give an indication of what the file holds - not all the fields in the file as that be a pain to look through, but just enough to give a sense of the main fields. So you have a number of choices: 1. Change the @ID field so it only returns the first part. Bad idea - it will confuse others who expect to see and select the whole key. 2. Create an @ phrase to make the default listing. That is generally okay so long as everyone knows that is what is being shown. 3. Create your own phrase and use that i.e. LIST FILENAME SATYA For (2) and (3) you can word your phrase like this assuming you are on UniVerse or UniData in ECLTYPE U: 1 PH 2 EVAL @ID['*',1,1] ID.SUP That will give you just the first part of the @ID field. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Sathya Sent: 26 March 2013 14:32 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] List.. Hi all,.. I have a small issue in listing a file. When I use LIST FILENAME, the data comes like 123456*001 123456*001. I would like to display the data as 123456 123456 Can someone please help me in doing this? TIA, Sathya V. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Date conversion..
Which of course on UniVerse (for mixed case month) is OConv(Date(),DL) For Excel I find the ISO date format (-mm-dd) is the safest. Then it's just down to the Excel options as to how it formats that column. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: 22 March 2013 14:11 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Date conversion.. I use OCONV(DATE(),'D') and that works just fine because it displays today as 22 Mar 2013. On 22/03/2013 11:19, Martin Phillips wrote: Hi, Try OCONV(DATE(),'DDMY[,A,Z4]') M ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Tony Good post well stated. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 17 March 2013 04:13 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Wow, what an awesome set of responses. Thank you VERY much. There are consistent opinions in many of the responses. So I hope all of you will forgive if I respond to my own post here with a new sub-thread, and with another blog, as I wanted to keep all of the thoughts together. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv2.html In summary, what We think about social media is unimportant. What is important is, that is where other people are, so that is where we should be too. I'd be interested to know if this second blog entry prompts any re-consideration. I recognize that this isn't directly a U2 topic. This is more of an industry topic, of which U2 users are a part. Increasingly, U2 is becoming less associated with the MV industry and more a self-contained industry of its own. I don't think that's the right direction. We all lose personally, and the industry suffers, because there are so few common places where MV/Pick users congregate. I'm encouraging people to broaden the horizons rather than furthering the contraction. Our scope as more diversified professionals shouldn't be limited to any one group, or just to U2 groups in different web sites. In this forum in the past, we've discussed the merits of email versus browser-based forums, Usenet, Google Groups, etc. The passionate preferences expressed for all of these media is exactly the same as that expressed, for or against the various social media. I'm suggesting that now the question is not just which forum but what other media should we consider in addition to forums? It's almost the next inevitable question ... Twitter is OK for some purposes, not others. Same with LinkedIn, etc. No one medium is good for all purposes. I think everyone should give proper consideration to each venue, individually, on its merits as a tool for providing and receiving specific kinds of information. Your (really really verbose, thankful, and apologetic) colleague :) Tony Gravagno, Nebula Research and Development USA 949-380-1668 Skype: gravagnot http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/TonyGravagno Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
All social networks are not the same. I am happy to be on LinkedIn which incidentally has good Rocket and Pick groups, but share the distrust of Facebook. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2013, at 10:31, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5677 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
Tony It's that I haven't had a single department manager tell me they want a thick client GUI in almost a decade. Anyone who is looking to me for GUI these days wants a browser. Not always - there is thick client and thick client. If you mean a true thick client that requires an installation on every desktop - that's probably out for all but the smaller shops or those who need the extra processing power: even the best browser software still lags far behind in terms of usability - but that's down to the model (and before the flames, I do write browser based solutions as well). But there are plenty who, once shown, are happy to have lightweight sandboxed clients that get kicked off through the browser - in the same way as, for example, starting a GotoMeeting session. No installation, no deployments, no hassles. Which is why mvStudio offers both :) Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install
Hi You need to make sure that you have install the IIS 6 compatibility options (under Add/Remove Windows Components), or the setup won't find your web sites. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 12 March 2013 14:55 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install My PC dies a few weeks ago and I am trying to re-install the U2 Web DE package on my PC so that I can connect to UniData Redback on my UNIX box. Note that my web server running IIS is on yet a 3rd box. My documentation is slim to none and I am hoping to get some guidance. Everything is working fine on my UNIX box (RedBack and UniData) and all is good on my web server. I just need to get U2WebDE running from my PC. As I recall, when it asks if I want the Complete or Custom setup, I choose Custom. I am fine with the destination of C:\IBM\U2WEBDE When it asks for which features, it defaults to 1) U2 Web Designer, 2) IIS Gateway 3) International Licenses. If I click Next, I get a window showing an empty box stating: 0 IIS web sites are defined. Select one to use in this installation. Obviously, I am missing something here. If I backup to the features and also turn on the RedBack Object Server for UniData, and click next, it wants to start a Database service on my PC, but UniData is on a UNIX box. Where am I going wrong? JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install
Also, to set up the database side portion, you need to run WebDE developer, connect to the account and use the option to enable the account from there. Remember that unlike RedBack, there are no responders on the server. It is all done from the web server running pooled UniObjects connections. So you need to set up the new ini file (rgw5.ini) in place of the old rgw.ini on the web server, with the min/max pools and the connection credentials (encrypted password). Bad luck if that has an expiry policy. Setting up the ini file also requires WebDE developer, though once created you can copy the rgw5.ini around. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 12 March 2013 14:55 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install My PC dies a few weeks ago and I am trying to re-install the U2 Web DE package on my PC so that I can connect to UniData Redback on my UNIX box. Note that my web server running IIS is on yet a 3rd box. My documentation is slim to none and I am hoping to get some guidance. Everything is working fine on my UNIX box (RedBack and UniData) and all is good on my web server. I just need to get U2WebDE running from my PC. As I recall, when it asks if I want the Complete or Custom setup, I choose Custom. I am fine with the destination of C:\IBM\U2WEBDE When it asks for which features, it defaults to 1) U2 Web Designer, 2) IIS Gateway 3) International Licenses. If I click Next, I get a window showing an empty box stating: 0 IIS web sites are defined. Select one to use in this installation. Obviously, I am missing something here. If I backup to the features and also turn on the RedBack Object Server for UniData, and click next, it wants to start a Database service on my PC, but UniData is on a UNIX box. Where am I going wrong? JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install
And after all of *that*, make sure you have installed .NET framework 4 on the web server, and if you are using old ASP style pages, you need to register the COM wrappers. Only supports the connection by name (the old open2 syntax) not the older connection via ADODB. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 12 March 2013 14:55 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install My PC dies a few weeks ago and I am trying to re-install the U2 Web DE package on my PC so that I can connect to UniData Redback on my UNIX box. Note that my web server running IIS is on yet a 3rd box. My documentation is slim to none and I am hoping to get some guidance. Everything is working fine on my UNIX box (RedBack and UniData) and all is good on my web server. I just need to get U2WebDE running from my PC. As I recall, when it asks if I want the Complete or Custom setup, I choose Custom. I am fine with the destination of C:\IBM\U2WEBDE When it asks for which features, it defaults to 1) U2 Web Designer, 2) IIS Gateway 3) International Licenses. If I click Next, I get a window showing an empty box stating: 0 IIS web sites are defined. Select one to use in this installation. Obviously, I am missing something here. If I backup to the features and also turn on the RedBack Object Server for UniData, and click next, it wants to start a Database service on my PC, but UniData is on a UNIX box. Where am I going wrong? JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
Hi Tony SB+ used to have (don't know if it does still) wrappers for the old SB screens, but they are really different animals and from what I dimly recall the wrapper never really flowed right - mixing models. I used to have tools to take SB to uvCase - giving them an immediate Windows GUI - and my current mvStudio product is mostly backward compatible with uvCase (i.e. it's uvCase with multiple platforms and another 15 years' lessons learned), so that might well be an option. I'd need to do some digging, though - it's a while since I converted an oldtime SB system! SB was never quite as adept at naval gazing as SB+, so it was in may ways a cleaner conversion. The problem with getting anything out of SB+ is that it constantly references itself and there is no separation between the logical model and its implementation, so if you go beyond parsing out all the file definitions and tools you just end up with another SB+. So an 80% conversion is easy .. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 12 March 2013 20:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Replacements for Old SB? I'm still running across sites that have 1990's versions of SystemBuilder on different DBMS platforms. What's the latest wisdom on either migrating away from SB to another cross-platform product, or the pain of migrating/upgrading to a current UV/SB+ ? I'm fully aware that DesignBais is very familiar looking to SB users but there are no good conversion tools to get to that product. I'm also aware of another product based in the UK that has excellent tools for migrating From SB, but I don't like where they migrate To. Thanks for your thoughts. T Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET worldwide and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] ISO Date Format
D-YMD[4,2,2] -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny Sent: 11 March 2013 13:57 To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] ISO Date Format Has anyone come up with an OCONV string that will product an ISO standard date (-MM-DD)? After a vendor insisted on this last week I ended up creating a subroutine called by an I descriptor but it seems like there should be an easier way. A quick trip through the Universe Basic manual, my old Prime Info-Basic manual, and Pick Basic: A programmer's guide didn't shed any light. -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Another silly job ad
i wonder if that includes the wonderful IN2 franglais and never knowing if a prompt needed a Y or an O. Those were the days... Sent from my iPad On 9 Mar 2013, at 13:21, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: http://jobview.monster.com/getjob.aspx?JobID=12003JDNJobDocument.JobID=68567260AdID=9418275ImpressionGuid=c9232410-cf9f-4fc4-9b86-d95482fc6304AffiliateGuid=88096a2b-ecd2-4480-aa16-55a154eae025CampaignID=Premium=RendererID=699code=unit=stracking=WT.mc_n=JDN03 Obviously since the company is moving from PI/Open to Universe you *must* have IN2 compatibility Bizarre. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata WHEN/ASSOCIATED
Traditionally WHEN is an output limiter and WITH is a selector, so they occupy different branches of the process. But with a SELECT SAVING that difference becomes blurred, so I would vote for a WHEN to be allowed in that case. Of course on unidata it would no doubt have to be on some dumb UDT.OPTION to preserve compatibility. Brian Sent from my iPad On 8 Mar 2013, at 20:23, Jeffrey Butera jbut...@hampshire.edu wrote: Stupid question: is there a good reason why WHEN/ASSOCIATED can only be used with LIST and not SELECT? -- Jeffrey Butera, PhD Associate Director for Applications and Web Services Information Technology Hampshire College 413-559-5556 http://www.hampshire.edu http://www.facebook.com/hampshirecollegeit ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] I Descriptor no longer working in UniSQL after UD upgrade
Could it be that the dates are coming through in the wrong format? e.g. if you need to change the DEFAULTS definition in your ENGLISH.MSG file? Just a thought Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: 05 March 2013 12:42 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] I Descriptor no longer working in UniSQL after UD upgrade Hi we upgraded from UD 5.2/Solaris to UD 7.2/RH about a month ago and so it looked fine so far. Now I had a call that there are purchase orders missing on a Cognos report. When I investigated I noticed that from the day of the upgrade I have rows in the table used for that report with missing dates. The report is based on a SQL Server 2000 table that gets updated every night with Purchasing information from UD using DTS. We want to track supplier performance so I take a snapshot of the outstanding Purchase order deliveries every night and add them to this table. Each row also contains the date the snapshot was done. Some order line have multiple deliveries so I created a I-type dictionary item using REUSE(@DATE). This is mapped in the schema and was working just fine under 5.2 but now there is only a date for the first multivalue. I created a new subtable using the 7.2 VSG and the result is the same. The dictionary works just fine from ECL but in SQL only the first row has a date and all others are null. Any idea why this doesn't work anymore under UD 7.2? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] I Descriptor no longer working in UniSQL after UD upgrade
Sorry, that can't be the case. Should have read more carefully :( -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: 05 March 2013 13:12 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] I Descriptor no longer working in UniSQL after UD upgrade Could it be that the dates are coming through in the wrong format? e.g. if you need to change the DEFAULTS definition in your ENGLISH.MSG file? Just a thought Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: 05 March 2013 12:42 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] I Descriptor no longer working in UniSQL after UD upgrade Hi we upgraded from UD 5.2/Solaris to UD 7.2/RH about a month ago and so it looked fine so far. Now I had a call that there are purchase orders missing on a Cognos report. When I investigated I noticed that from the day of the upgrade I have rows in the table used for that report with missing dates. The report is based on a SQL Server 2000 table that gets updated every night with Purchasing information from UD using DTS. We want to track supplier performance so I take a snapshot of the outstanding Purchase order deliveries every night and add them to this table. Each row also contains the date the snapshot was done. Some order line have multiple deliveries so I created a I-type dictionary item using REUSE(@DATE). This is mapped in the schema and was working just fine under 5.2 but now there is only a date for the first multivalue. I created a new subtable using the 7.2 VSG and the result is the same. The dictionary works just fine from ECL but in SQL only the first row has a date and all others are null. Any idea why this doesn't work anymore under UD 7.2? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UV full screen editor
Hi Bill If you find something difficult to do in my editors - tell me! How else am I going to improve them? Brian Sent from my iPad On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:14, Bill Haskett wphask...@advantos.net wrote: Symeon: That may be true these days, but wIntegrate has always been significantly more expensive than AccuTerm, and AccuTerm always worked better with Linux and SSH (rather than using SSL like wIntegrate does/did). Also, AccuTerm's licensing was significantly easier to manage (we still have clients struggling with the old site-licensing of wIntegrate). Nowadays, however, we use UniObjects to connect to our servers and run our application. Even now, I still use AccuTerm mostly, and VS2010 (which I mostly dislike - but that's just the environment). I've tried xLr8, BST, Brian's but there's always something that just trips me up each and every day with these packages. Every time I get one of these set up and running, something changes or something I do on a common basis is just very difficult to accomplish. :-( Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* syme...@gmail.com *To:* 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 2/25/2013 10:56 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] UV full screen editor Also If you want an editor integrated into your terminal emulator I have always found wintegrate to be the best solution out there. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UV full screen editor
'k then I need to explain it better :) Back to the docs. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: 26 February 2013 18:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UV full screen editor I don't understand the key mapping at all for your Z. I admit I haven't spent a lot of time looking at it, but that totally went over my head. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2013 12:50 am Subject: Re: [U2] UV full screen editor Hi Bill If you find something difficult to do in my editors - tell me! How else am I going to improve them? Brian Sent from my iPad On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:14, Bill Haskett wphask...@advantos.net wrote: Symeon: That may be true these days, but wIntegrate has always been significantly more expensive than AccuTerm, and AccuTerm always worked better with Linux and SSH (rather than using SSL like wIntegrate does/did). Also, AccuTerm's licensing was significantly easier to manage (we still have clients struggling with the old site-licensing of wIntegrate). Nowadays, however, we use UniObjects to connect to our servers and run our application. Even now, I still use AccuTerm mostly, and VS2010 (which I mostly dislike - but that's just the environment). I've tried xLr8, BST, Brian's but there's always something that just trips me up each and every day with these packages. Every time I get one of these set up and running, something changes or something I do on a common basis is just very difficult to accomplish. :-( Bill Untitled Page -- -- - Original Message - *From:* syme...@gmail.com *To:* 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 2/25/2013 10:56 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] UV full screen editor Also If you want an editor integrated into your terminal emulator I have always found wintegrate to be the best solution out there. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UV full screen editor
Two options from my website (both free): Z is a terminal based full screen editor with syntax highlighting for UniVerse Basic. mvDeveloper 2 is a Windows based editor with syntax highlighting for UniVerse Basic, PROC, and loads of other stuff. And I'm sure Doug C will chime in with his (U2 Logic's) editor. www.brianleach.co.uk Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Nirvan Wijesekera Sent: 25 February 2013 14:04 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] UV full screen editor Hello all, I'm new to this forum, so apologies if this topic has been brought up before. Can anyone recommend a decent full-screen editor for Universe? I require it for editing source code as well as modifying data files. Seems like most of them can do one or the other, but not both. We do not run System Builder, so is there anything else available? We are trying to move away from the native UV line editor. Many thanks. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] FW: UV full screen editor
Ouch, apologies, I *meant* Doug A of course. I must have been glancing at Doug C's post as I typed it. Brian -Original Message- From: Brian Leach [mailto:br...@brianleach.co.uk] Sent: 25 February 2013 14:13 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: RE: [U2] UV full screen editor Two options from my website (both free): Z is a terminal based full screen editor with syntax highlighting for UniVerse Basic. mvDeveloper 2 is a Windows based editor with syntax highlighting for UniVerse Basic, PROC, and loads of other stuff. And I'm sure Doug C will chime in with his (U2 Logic's) editor. www.brianleach.co.uk Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Nirvan Wijesekera Sent: 25 February 2013 14:04 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] UV full screen editor Hello all, I'm new to this forum, so apologies if this topic has been brought up before. Can anyone recommend a decent full-screen editor for Universe? I require it for editing source code as well as modifying data files. Seems like most of them can do one or the other, but not both. We do not run System Builder, so is there anything else available? We are trying to move away from the native UV line editor. Many thanks. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Dumping data to file from TCL
Phil If you really want to do that .. You can use SAVING with an EVAL clause and save the results to your SAVEDLISTS. SELECT MYFILE SAVING EVAL \MYFIELD:,:MYOTHERFIELD:,:MYLASTFIELD\ SAVE.LIST SomeList.txt But why don't you want to use DOWNLOAD or another program like EXPORT (from my website)? That's what they are designed to do. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker Sent: 20 February 2013 20:57 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Dumping data to file from TCL Does Universe now have the ability to dump data to a file using a SELECT or LIST from TCL? I believe Unidata does have this capability.. For example, I can do a SELECT File SAVING IType SAVE.LIST ExportDirectory Datadump.dat But I would rather just say LIST File IType TO ExportDirectory Datadump.dat I know I could use DOWNLOAD or use LIST File Itype TOXML But I don't want to really use xml for this as there are a large number of records and the contents of IType are long and I would prefer not to use DOWNLOAD, or have to write a program if I can help it. Any ideas? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [AD] FREE pick date conversion android app [/AD]
Now there really IS an app for it ... :) PS if you want a VB-like way of building apps, also check out NS Basic. Simple and cool. (Neither of which are the first things to spring to mind about Titanium, which I use... the results are blistering but I always feel I'm running up-hill avoiding potholes) Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 Test Tools for system/unit regression testing w/integration with HP QualityCenter
Hi David I've recently released a testing product called (predictably!) mvTest. This supports automated testing of U2 applications using a dedicated scripting language modelled after UniBasic for familiarity but with a number of key extensions to handle data validation, test data handling, UI scripting and assertions. You can use this to create unit tests, UI tests (currently TELNET and U2-compatible secure TELNET/SSL but with SSH to follow shortly), regression and volume tests. Here's a quick overview of how it works - - You create unit or UI tests using the scripting language. These can be run through either of a Windows client or through a server-side script runner e.g. if you want to perform CI testing through a phantom. There's a nice Windows based editor to create, organize and test these. - The tests return pass or fail information based on assertions, so you can see at a glance if anything has broken. You can save the information and run various reports against it. - The tests can run direct against the database through a UO.NET connection (e.g. for testing subroutine calls and parameters) or through a terminal-style UI. It embeds a complete terminal emulator with all the necessary functions, and this allows you to drive screens, perform spot checks, branch on different results (e.g. handling error messages raised from your screens), handle send/expect style scripting and more complex conditions (such as wait until the cursor is at this location and this message has appeared here). - It keeps a separate shared server connection open while the UI tests run so you can, for example, script an entry screen via the terminal UI that ends up saving some data like a sales order, and then immediately check what has been written to the database through the underlying connection as part of the same script. - Unit tests can be organized into batches in which the tests run in order, so you can set up sequences that match business operations. - Batches can be organized into runs, so you can test whole suites of your application. Each run can be customized, so you can feed in per-site or per-system information. Runs can optionally randomize the order in which batches are executed, and you can set up different run scenarios and iteration patterns. - You can feed in and randomize test data and from the client side runner, access local features as well as the database operations. - Volume testing can take place using the Windows client. This is a multithreaded client supporting multiple concurrent UI sessions - I've tested up to 250 concurrent connections from a single PC running against an SB+ system for one customer last year who needed to stress test their system performance coming up to the New Year sales. This first release is targeting U2 with other MVDBMS to follow. I'm also adding support for GUI testing using the Microsoft Automation APIs and WebUI testing going forward. Anyone interested can contact me for an evaluation version, or download the user guide from www.brianleach.co.uk. Regards Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 Test Tools for system/unit regression testing
Oh and - If anyone here is subscribed to International Spectrum magazine (and if not, why not?) I'm writing a series on automated testing with the first instalment to appear in the March/April edition. So I'd be interested to hear any user stories ... Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: 05 February 2013 11:14 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2 Test Tools for system/unit regression testing w/integration with HP QualityCenter Hi David I've recently released a testing product called (predictably!) mvTest. This supports automated testing of U2 applications using a dedicated scripting language modelled after UniBasic for familiarity but with a number of key extensions to handle data validation, test data handling, UI scripting and assertions. You can use this to create unit tests, UI tests (currently TELNET and U2-compatible secure TELNET/SSL but with SSH to follow shortly), regression and volume tests. Here's a quick overview of how it works - - You create unit or UI tests using the scripting language. These can be run through either of a Windows client or through a server-side script runner e.g. if you want to perform CI testing through a phantom. There's a nice Windows based editor to create, organize and test these. - The tests return pass or fail information based on assertions, so you can see at a glance if anything has broken. You can save the information and run various reports against it. - The tests can run direct against the database through a UO.NET connection (e.g. for testing subroutine calls and parameters) or through a terminal-style UI. It embeds a complete terminal emulator with all the necessary functions, and this allows you to drive screens, perform spot checks, branch on different results (e.g. handling error messages raised from your screens), handle send/expect style scripting and more complex conditions (such as wait until the cursor is at this location and this message has appeared here). - It keeps a separate shared server connection open while the UI tests run so you can, for example, script an entry screen via the terminal UI that ends up saving some data like a sales order, and then immediately check what has been written to the database through the underlying connection as part of the same script. - Unit tests can be organized into batches in which the tests run in order, so you can set up sequences that match business operations. - Batches can be organized into runs, so you can test whole suites of your application. Each run can be customized, so you can feed in per-site or per-system information. Runs can optionally randomize the order in which batches are executed, and you can set up different run scenarios and iteration patterns. - You can feed in and randomize test data and from the client side runner, access local features as well as the database operations. - Volume testing can take place using the Windows client. This is a multithreaded client supporting multiple concurrent UI sessions - I've tested up to 250 concurrent connections from a single PC running against an SB+ system for one customer last year who needed to stress test their system performance coming up to the New Year sales. This first release is targeting U2 with other MVDBMS to follow. I'm also adding support for GUI testing using the Microsoft Automation APIs and WebUI testing going forward. Anyone interested can contact me for an evaluation version, or download the user guide from www.brianleach.co.uk. Regards Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 Test Tools for system/unit regression testing w/integration with HP QualityCenter
Hi Cameron IIRC SB/XA is WPF (XBAP) based - or am I misremembering? If it is, the GUI testing I'm adding should handle that - it's designed to cope with native Win32, .NET WinForm and WPF. In fact, WPF is probably the neatest as it was built with specific support for the automation UI (which in turn in built on top of the accessibility UIs). It's just that the automation UI is a complete and utter bear to program and really, really ugly... which is why I'm trying to encapsulate it in something more usable. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brawn, Cameron Sent: 05 February 2013 13:05 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2 Test Tools for system/unit regression testing w/integration with HP QualityCenter Great start - Can I be really demanding and ask for SBXA (XUI) support as well? ;) Cameron -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013 22:14 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2 Test Tools for system/unit regression testing w/integration with HP QualityCenter Hi David I've recently released a testing product called (predictably!) mvTest. This supports automated testing of U2 applications using a dedicated scripting language modelled after UniBasic for familiarity but with a number of key extensions to handle data validation, test data handling, UI scripting and assertions. You can use this to create unit tests, UI tests (currently TELNET and U2-compatible secure TELNET/SSL but with SSH to follow shortly), regression and volume tests. Here's a quick overview of how it works - - You create unit or UI tests using the scripting language. These can be run through either of a Windows client or through a server-side script runner e.g. if you want to perform CI testing through a phantom. There's a nice Windows based editor to create, organize and test these. - The tests return pass or fail information based on assertions, so you can see at a glance if anything has broken. You can save the information and run various reports against it. - The tests can run direct against the database through a UO.NET connection (e.g. for testing subroutine calls and parameters) or through a terminal-style UI. It embeds a complete terminal emulator with all the necessary functions, and this allows you to drive screens, perform spot checks, branch on different results (e.g. handling error messages raised from your screens), handle send/expect style scripting and more complex conditions (such as wait until the cursor is at this location and this message has appeared here). - It keeps a separate shared server connection open while the UI tests run so you can, for example, script an entry screen via the terminal UI that ends up saving some data like a sales order, and then immediately check what has been written to the database through the underlying connection as part of the same script. - Unit tests can be organized into batches in which the tests run in order, so you can set up sequences that match business operations. - Batches can be organized into runs, so you can test whole suites of your application. Each run can be customized, so you can feed in per-site or per-system information. Runs can optionally randomize the order in which batches are executed, and you can set up different run scenarios and iteration patterns. - You can feed in and randomize test data and from the client side runner, access local features as well as the database operations. - Volume testing can take place using the Windows client. This is a multithreaded client supporting multiple concurrent UI sessions - I've tested up to 250 concurrent connections from a single PC running against an SB+ system for one customer last year who needed to stress test their SB+ system performance coming up to the New Year sales. This first release is targeting U2 with other MVDBMS to follow. I'm also adding support for GUI testing using the Microsoft Automation APIs and WebUI testing going forward. Anyone interested can contact me for an evaluation version, or download the user guide from www.brianleach.co.uk. Regards Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __ ** This email and any attachments may be confidential and legally privileged. Please notify the sender immediately if you received this message in error. Please do not delete
Re: [U2] U2 Test Tools for system/unit regression testing
Susan I would be honoured (honored) ! I'll contact you off list to get that sorted. Brian Sent from my iPad On 5 Feb 2013, at 20:13, Susan Joslyn sjos...@sjplus.com wrote: Brian, Oh my goodness that is great news! I can't wait! I'll take an early release of that - and of course I will want to talk to you about integrating it into PRC's test framework! Can't wait to see it! Susan Joslyn Message: 11 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 11:13:31 - From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2 Test Tools for system/unit regression testing w/integration with HP QualityCenter Message-ID: 003d01ce0391$d5284350$7f78c9f0$@co.uk Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Hi David I've recently released a testing product called (predictably!) mvTest. This supports automated testing of U2 applications using a dedicated scripting language modelled after UniBasic for familiarity but with a number of key extensions to handle data validation, test data handling, UI scripting and assertions. You can use this to create unit tests, UI tests (currently TELNET and U2-compatible secure TELNET/SSL but with SSH to follow shortly), regression and volume tests. Here's a quick overview of how it works - - You create unit or UI tests using the scripting language. These can be run through either of a Windows client or through a server-side script runner e.g. if you want to perform CI testing through a phantom. There's a nice Windows based editor to create, organize and test these. - The tests return pass or fail information based on assertions, so you can see at a glance if anything has broken. You can save the information and run various reports against it. - The tests can run direct against the database through a UO.NET connection (e.g. for testing subroutine calls and parameters) or through a terminal-style UI. It embeds a complete terminal emulator with all the necessary functions, and this allows you to drive screens, perform spot checks, branch on different results (e.g. handling error messages raised from your screens), handle send/expect style scripting and more complex conditions (such as wait until the cursor is at this location and this message has appeared here). - It keeps a separate shared server connection open while the UI tests run so you can, for example, script an entry screen via the terminal UI that ends up saving some data like a sales order, and then immediately check what has been written to the database through the underlying connection as part of the same script. - Unit tests can be organized into batches in which the tests run in order, so you can set up sequences that match business operations. - Batches can be organized into runs, so you can test whole suites of your application. Each run can be customized, so you can feed in per-site or per-system information. Runs can optionally randomize the order in which batches are executed, and you can set up different run scenarios and iteration patterns. - You can feed in and randomize test data and from the client side runner, access local features as well as the database operations. - Volume testing can take place using the Windows client. This is a multithreaded client supporting multiple concurrent UI sessions - I've tested up to 250 concurrent connections from a single PC running against an SB+ system for one customer last year who needed to stress test their system performance coming up to the New Year sales. This first release is targeting U2 with other MVDBMS to follow. I'm also adding support for GUI testing using the Microsoft Automation APIs and WebUI testing going forward. Anyone interested can contact me for an evaluation version, or download the user guide from www.brianleach.co.uk. Regards Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UD] Disabling/blocking ODBC
Hi David Thanks - this was probably back on version 10.x when I first heard about the UniData version so it may have been added since. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Hona, David Sent: 30 January 2013 10:41 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Disabling/blocking ODBC Brian, *UOLOGIN works for me in UV11.1.9 AIX. What arguments are you specifying? I haven't got been able to get *ODBCLOGIN to work. I'm speculating if the arguments the same though - such is the nature of undocumented features? Perhaps they should have *APILOGIN to for all API clients? Plus a new @-variable that can identify what server-side interface is handling the call - thus eliminating the need for UOLOGIN and ODBCLOGIN... ? Cheers, David -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2013 8:05 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Disabling/blocking ODBC Sadly these appear to be UniData only. Or at least, in the past I've tried with local catalog, global catalog as *UOLOGIN and global catalog as the (illegal) UOLOGIN. None of these got fired. Would be really useful as a central consolidation point for things like setting DATE.FORMAT. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker Sent: 28 January 2013 21:23 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Disabling/blocking ODBC Is this only Unidata or Universe? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2013 9:15 a.m. To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Disabling/blocking ODBC Glad to hear that! Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of bradley.sch...@usbank.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:25 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Disabling/blocking ODBC There is an undocumented feature: ' ODBCLOGIN'. This is a subroutine that is called for every ODBC call. You can use this to either blank prevent ODBC, or setting up restricted login access login. Dan, I got the info from our VAR and it works great. Thanks! Brad. U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UD] Disabling/blocking ODBC
Sadly these appear to be UniData only. Or at least, in the past I've tried with local catalog, global catalog as *UOLOGIN and global catalog as the (illegal) UOLOGIN. None of these got fired. Would be really useful as a central consolidation point for things like setting DATE.FORMAT. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker Sent: 28 January 2013 21:23 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Disabling/blocking ODBC Is this only Unidata or Universe? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2013 9:15 a.m. To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Disabling/blocking ODBC Glad to hear that! Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of bradley.sch...@usbank.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:25 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Disabling/blocking ODBC There is an undocumented feature: ' ODBCLOGIN'. This is a subroutine that is called for every ODBC call. You can use this to either blank prevent ODBC, or setting up restricted login access login. Dan, I got the info from our VAR and it works great. Thanks! Brad. U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Triggers in Universe
Peter Yes, they are still cached but you can derive the name - it's an overhead but I've created systems with master triggers that read a list of subordinate triggers from a control file and call them in order. Then these can have a version stamp appended when catalogued. IN practice I found the overhead of reading the list was minimal compared with the overheads on calling the trigger in the first place, and because it's happening all the time on a busy system that control file is constantly cached in memory anyway. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Peter Cheney Sent: 28 January 2013 23:26 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Triggers in Universe Could use the trigger program to call one or more external subroutines based on the trigger action required? I understand that the external subroutines are not cached and can be updated without needing to stop/start the master trigger. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2013 20:19 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Triggers in Universe Remember also that triggers, as subroutines, are cached in memory so if you recompile a trigger the changes won't be picked up by any processes that have not logged off or returned to TCL. Brian Sent from my iPad On 25 Jan 2013, at 22:18, Bobby Worley bwor...@coburns.com wrote: That's what I did, Perry! GMTA ;) On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Perry Taylor perry.tay...@zirmed.comwrote: You can globally catalog in a Pick-flavored account. Copy the CATALOG VOC record from the UV account to your Pick-flavored account VOC renaming it something like ICATALOG. We do it all the time for our file-based triggers. Perry -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:03 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Triggers in Universe The problem was the locally cataloged program.I was in an account that is PICK flavor and wouldn't allow global cataloging. When I catalog the program globally from the UV account the CREATE TRIGGER now works. Thanks! On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Woodward, Bob bob_woodw...@k2sports.com wrote: In Unidata the problem would be that the trigger has to be cataloged globally, not locally. I'm not sure how to do that in Universe, though. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Triggers in Universe I'm up against a wall here - trying to use triggers for the first time, on Universe. Can't seem to get my test to work - Universe on AIX: RELLEVEL 001 X 002 11.1.9 003 PICK 004 PICK.FORMAT 005 11.1.9 BASIC BDW TRIGTEST Compiling: Source = 'BDW/TRIGTEST', Object = 'BDW.O/TRIGTEST' * Compilation Complete. CATALOG BDW TRIGTEST TRIGTEST cataloged. .L TRIGTEST TRIGTEST 001 V 002 BDW.O/TRIGTEST 003 B 004 BNP 005 006 PICK.FORMAT 007 S N P I A E H 008 NO.WARN NOPAGE LPTR KEEP.COMMON TRAP HDR-SUPP 009 BDW.O CREATE TRIGGER TRIGTEST BEFORE UPDATE OR INSERT OR DELETE ON RENTAL FOR EACH ROW CALLING 'TRIGTEST'; Unable to locate trigger program BDW.O/TRIGTEST. -- *Bobby D. Worley* IT Applications Developer Coburn Supply Company o: 903.753.8613 | m: 214.676.9825 bwor...@coburns.com ** ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- *Bobby D. Worley* IT Applications Developer Coburn Supply Company o: 903.753.8613 | m: 214.676.9825 bwor...@coburns.com ** ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact
Re: [U2] Triggers in Universe
Remember also that triggers, as subroutines, are cached in memory so if you recompile a trigger the changes won't be picked up by any processes that have not logged off or returned to TCL. Brian Sent from my iPad On 25 Jan 2013, at 22:18, Bobby Worley bwor...@coburns.com wrote: That's what I did, Perry! GMTA ;) On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Perry Taylor perry.tay...@zirmed.comwrote: You can globally catalog in a Pick-flavored account. Copy the CATALOG VOC record from the UV account to your Pick-flavored account VOC renaming it something like ICATALOG. We do it all the time for our file-based triggers. Perry -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:03 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Triggers in Universe The problem was the locally cataloged program.I was in an account that is PICK flavor and wouldn't allow global cataloging. When I catalog the program globally from the UV account the CREATE TRIGGER now works. Thanks! On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Woodward, Bob bob_woodw...@k2sports.com wrote: In Unidata the problem would be that the trigger has to be cataloged globally, not locally. I'm not sure how to do that in Universe, though. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Triggers in Universe I'm up against a wall here - trying to use triggers for the first time, on Universe. Can't seem to get my test to work - Universe on AIX: RELLEVEL 001 X 002 11.1.9 003 PICK 004 PICK.FORMAT 005 11.1.9 BASIC BDW TRIGTEST Compiling: Source = 'BDW/TRIGTEST', Object = 'BDW.O/TRIGTEST' * Compilation Complete. CATALOG BDW TRIGTEST TRIGTEST cataloged. .L TRIGTEST TRIGTEST 001 V 002 BDW.O/TRIGTEST 003 B 004 BNP 005 006 PICK.FORMAT 007 S²N²P²I²A²E²H 008 NO.WARN²NOPAGE²LPTR²KEEP.COMMON²²TRAP²HDR-SUPP 009 BDW.O CREATE TRIGGER TRIGTEST BEFORE UPDATE OR INSERT OR DELETE ON RENTAL FOR EACH ROW CALLING 'TRIGTEST'; Unable to locate trigger program BDW.O/TRIGTEST. -- *Bobby D. Worley* IT Applications Developer Coburn Supply Company o: 903.753.8613 | m: 214.676.9825 bwor...@coburns.com ** ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- *Bobby D. Worley* IT Applications Developer Coburn Supply Company o: 903.753.8613 | m: 214.676.9825 bwor...@coburns.com ** ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- *Bobby D. Worley* IT Applications Developer Coburn Supply Company o: 903.753.8613 | m: 214.676.9825 bwor...@coburns.com ** ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Help with REVISE (AKA ENTRO/ENTROC)
Hi Clif Why are you using REVISE? It's HORRIBLE .. grin If you want a free, command-line field-driven screen update processor, download ENTER from my website .. highly configurable and functional. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Gregor Scott Sent: 24 January 2013 05:35 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Help with REVISE (AKA ENTRO/ENTROC) According to the UV11 System Description manual: --snip-- Inserts a new line item above the current line item. ReVise displays an explanation and prompts you to enter the new set of associated multivalues. #n Copies all associated multivalues of line item n and puts it above the current line item. --snip-- Perahps the double is causing the grief? This email and any attachments to it are confidential. You must not use, disclose or act on the email if you are not the intended recipient. Liability limited by a scheme approved under Professional Standards Legislation. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Web service
Rudy - Which web services are you using? Are we talking the newer Universe RESTful web or older style SOAP? That makes a difference. T - Just a small addition - Note - these days ASMX and SOAP services are getting a little passe', and the favored approach is using WCF and REST. That's the received wisdom but it's worth pointing out to the group that from .NET 3.5 ASMX pages automatically switch to JSON format if they receive a suitable http content type that avoids the XML bloat so you can call them directly from jQuery, DOJO etc., and are far less messy to set up and deploy than WCF. Brian -Original Message- From: Rudy.Cooper I�ve been banging my head against the wall but getting nowhere trying to find a good example of of a c# program consuming a web service. Specifically, I need an example of a c# program consuming a UV web service. We have a few web services in UV that are consumed by a Seibel app. I would like to write the same thing in C# using vs 2010. Does anyone have an example in C# that they could send me or provide a link to a good working example? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] External database
Asad You don't need to recompile - the infobasic object code is interpreted, so there is no difference in running it on a 32 bit or 64 bit platform. Also, you don't need to set the 64BIT_FILES flag in the uvconfig to do this - that just sets the default for creating new files. Any files you need to convert can be changed on a one-by-one basis. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of asad50089 Sent: 14 January 2013 15:22 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] External database Hi, Thanks for guidance. Please let me know, my most of the work is on UniVerse 32-bit edition including massive coding in infobasic as well. Now if I turned 64-bit on switch, what will be the complications I can face otherwise it will be safe ride? Do I need resize all files again and also compile code on 64-bit? Cheers Asad -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/External-database-tp39618p3 9634.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Redback w/o Web Page
Hi John What I've done to test RBOs is to replace the RBO.getProperty and RBO.setProperty functions with my own wrappers that just map the properties to a name-value pair held in a common block. When you don't want to run in test mode the wrappers can fall back to calling the real RBO.getProperty and RBO.setProperty functions. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 14 January 2013 17:15 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] Redback w/o Web Page Normally, a web page will create an object, populate some properties, then execute a method to pass the object and its properties to a U2 program (in my case UniData). No problem. I am working on a new and complicated process and I would like to cut out the web part of this for the moment and make sure that I have a solid foundation in my basic code data. I have written my main program, and I have written a very small driver program that simply loads the properties of the object, then calls the main program. The problem is, the web page usually creates the object. My driver program can set a property (simulating what the web page would do), but if I get the property in the very next line, it is empty. I assume this is because the object does not exist (though it did not give any errors). How do I build an object from within a basic program? Thanks John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] {BDT] Commenting A Block Of Code
Bill
Different options in ascending order of usefulness:
1. In ED, use block commands to start and finish and then replace the start
of each line, e.g.
10 (goes to line 10)
(starts block)
20 (goes to line 20)
(ends block)
c//*/B (comments block)
2. In Z (free from my site), use the cursor to block the lines and hit the
Comment (*) command.
3. In mvDeveloper (free from my site), use the mouse to highlight and click
the Comment Out button or right click - Comment Out
Regards
Brian
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Rather than going line-by-line... is there a way... or a trick to
highlighting several lines of code...
And commenting out all of these lines in aggregate?
I have a legacy program whose code is no longer compliant... that I am
trying to isolate.
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Re: [U2] {BDT] Commenting A Block Of Code
Even better would be to use a $IFDEF so the compiler strips it out, and that
way it's not confused with other Ifs.
Brian
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You could surround the lines with an IF statement that always evaluates to
false.
Not the same as commenting out of course.
IF (0) THEN
Code you don't want to run.
END
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Rather than going line-by-line... is there a way... or a trick to
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And commenting out all of these lines in aggregate?
I have a legacy program whose code is no longer compliant... that I am
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Re: [U2] How to check which sproc is called by user
If it is a session hang you're possibly looking at locking issues so check the lock table to see what is waiting and also check for any group locks that persist. If it is UniVerse, It's also a good idea to check the errlog file in the uv account: if that does not exist, create it as a zero length file (you can go into the UV account and ED UFD errlog and just file it) and it will log the last 100 errors. If you can catch the session that has hung you can use the PORT.STATUS command to see where they were and their calling stack. Phil's idea of using the remote item security subroutine to audit calls is good once you've managed to identify the routine concerned, but it doesn't help you get to that point. How is your application constructed? Is it terminal based, UniObjects, Web? If it is terminal based, create a COMO on the LOGIN for that user session and see if that helps find it. If it is UniObjects based and you can clearly identify the user (and you have the time and space) and nothing else has worked, you can actually watch their session using a network tracer. I think we need to know a little more about the context of the problem. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ravindranath Wickramanayake Sent: 07 January 2013 21:55 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] How to check which sproc is called by user Hi U2 Guru's Can I tell when a sproc was last executed or who executed it. If so how. Some way to get statistics and access logs. Reason we are asking this is we are having a session hang issue we have tracked it down to a session user but have no clue which sproc did the call to trouble shoot. Thanks in advance ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Wally Terhune
Wally You *can't* retire! What will all the UniData crowd do without you? Thanks for all your help, guidance (and patience) over the years. It's been a privilege to meet you and I wish you a long and happy retirement. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Goble Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:04 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Wally Terhune Congratulations on your upcoming retirement. Thanks for all the support you have given us over the years for us Unidata guys. Your breadth of knowledge will surely be missed. Enjoy retirement, -Dan Dan Goble | Senior Systems Engineer Interline Brands, Inc. 804 East Gate Drive Suite 100, Mount Laurel, NJ 08054 Office: 856.533.3110 | Mobile: 609.792.6855 E-mail: dan.go...@interlinebrands.com | Website: www.interlinebrands.com This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail in error and delete all copies of this message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue
since I often find myself working in mvBasic, Delphi, C#, javascript and sometimes VB.NET at the same time it is the multiline end and else syntax that is the one that trips me. Basic If cond Then blah End Else blah End Delphi If cond Then Begin blah; End Else Begin blah; End; VB.NET If cond Then blah Else blah End If .. So sometimes the C# and javascript braces are welcome! But I would add that good code is beautiful irrespective of the syntactic vagaries of the chosen language - except for TSQL of course which is always horrible. grin Brian Sent from my iPad On 9 Dec 2012, at 17:38, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: For a single line. I don't understand how an IF would know, for multiple lines, where it's supposed to end. With a semi colon? Horrible. Computer languages should be written for humans to read, not machines. -Original Message- From: u2ug simpson-u...@gerzio.ca To: louiebergsagel louiebergsa...@gmail.com; U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:32 am Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue mv basic doesn't require an END to an IF either -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Louie Bergsagel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:21 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue I'm in my current job because I was willing to learn Python at work and on my own dime. I took a beginner's course in Python at the University of Washington because I didn't know much besides Prime Information, Henco's Info, Structure/4, UniVerse, UniData and MITS. It was fun to learn Python as the syntax was so similar to Pick basic. Program controls is through indentation, which we usually use anyway. They even go Pick one better: an IF statement doesn't need an END. They all require one, right, so why not assume it? I love that thinking. Learn some Python. You'll be glad you did. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] How can I create DataSet using U2 Toolkit for .NET's Add-ins and Visual Studio 2010 DataSet Designer?
Hi Rajan Good job! Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of rajank Sent: 04 December 2012 17:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] How can I create DataSet using U2 Toolkit for .NET's Add-ins and Visual Studio 2010 DataSet Designer? Please read : *http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13666214/how-can-i-create-dataset-using- u2-toolkit-for-nets-add-ins-and-visual-studio-2* http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13666214/how-can-i-create-dataset-using-u 2-toolkit-for-nets-add-ins-and-visual-studio-2 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13666214/how-can-i-create-dataset-using- u2-toolkit-for-nets-add-ins-and-visual-studio-2 -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/How-can-I-create-DataSet-us ing-U2-Toolkit-for-NET-s-Add-ins-and-Visual-Studio-2010-DataSet-Designer-tp3 9373.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] uniobjects.net
Simeon There isn't a single standard, it depends on a) how easy it is to generate the data in the first place and b) what you want to do with it after.. Going UniXML gives you the option to generate a dataset which is easy for binding but has large overheads, or more usefully to grab the content into an XDocument and parse it into Listsomething_useful using LINQ whilst preserving the structure: the latter gives you more flexibility and you don't need to normalize or navigate the parent/child relations created in a dataset if you have multivalued data. Of course you don't have to use UniXML to bring back XML for LINQ - you can bring that back in a subroutine argument, having generated it directly in BASIC. If you create a template for your XML document and for the row and just use the CHANGE() function to populate placeholders, that's often quicker than calling out to the XML features in the database - just make sure you handle the escapes. Ditto JSON, but unless you're calling from a web service consuming context there isn't really the tooling exposed in .NET to then do anything useful with it (there is a LINQ provider for JSON but it converts it into XML behind the scenes before parsing). If you want to work raw returning data from a subroutine, you can delimit your records with char(255) and simply split() them on the client into an array and possibly ListT.AddRange(array). But you would still then have to do the work of interpreting the individual record contents after separating them. All of which is an answer that is no answer.. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: 03 December 2012 15:55 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] uniobjects.net I could use a basic subroutine, but in order for it to return a couple of hundred records, it would have to either delimit the records somehow or generate an xml or json string, and I just wanted to see if there was a better/more standard way of doing this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of mhilb...@ppcsoftware.com Sent: 03 December 2012 15:07 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] uniobjects.net If the supposed access time for these records is rather quick, 200 records is a relatively small record set. Although there are technically more elegant ways of doing this, why cant you just stick with your proven basic subroutine call? On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:59:43 -, Symeon Breen wrote: Ahh yes - upto about 200 ish -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of mhilb...@ppcsoftware.com Sent: 03 December 2012 14:47 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uniobjects.net For me the key is in how many is a number of records? On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:48:45 -, Symeon Breen wrote: Hi - I have been using uniobjects.net for many years now, however I usually use it to call a basic subroutine on the u2 server. I now have a little project where I need to get a number of records from a file, ideally like the output of a list command as I have some itypes I also need to get. I could do this via a select list and read the ids into a unidataset and then call other programs to get the itype data, or I could do a unixml probably a few other ways. So what is the best way to do this ? Thanks Symeon. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5433 - Release Date: 12/02/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5433 - Release Date: 12/02/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] mvquery
Bob I'll respond off-list. If it is intermittent that sounds like permissions on the licence files. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Witney Sent: 26 November 2012 12:50 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] mvquery We use mvquery to pull reports from Universe 10 Just occasionally we get this AUTHORISATION ERROR (111) BAD OR MISSING LICENCE CODE FOR THIS PROJECT Any ideas ? Bob Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the named addressee, or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee, please notify the sender as soon as possible and delete the material from your computer. This message will be protected by copyright. If it has come to you in error, you must not take any action based on its contents nor must you copy or show the message to any person other than the intended recipient. _ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] converting D3 to UniData
As someone who uses both platforms I'd have to ask why anyone would want to do such a thing. I'd certainly question why, if you want to move a D3 application to U2, you would choose UniData over UniVerse? That's not a general uv is better than/worse than udt comment so don't make this a flame war (like Tony I have products running on several platforms), but just that the UniVerse PICK flavor is much closer to D3 than the UniData P mode. With UniVerse you would at least start out with: Q pointers PICK style A and S type dictionaries PICK flavoured compiler options PICK flavoured options in the enquiry language Decent PROC support All of which would make the initial migration easier. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] converting D3 to UniData
As others have said, it largely depends on how vanilla your d3 application is. Things like the %-operations in FlashBasic will need special treatment as will any user exits, there are equivalents to %open() in the socket api and the sequential file operations but they will need converting over. Obviously if you're using the header files in dm and such like, they will need converting. At the file system level you don't have the structural files like SYSTEM (UniVerse has a near equivalent in UV.ACCOUNT) and the VOC which is the equivalent of the MD is a regular file, so MD and DICT MD are not the same. File and field names are case sensitive as is searching in the enquiry language. If you're using dictionaries, UniData (unlike UniVerse) only supports the PRIME style and doesn't have the implicit fields *A1 etc. Controlling/dependent series are handled as associations, and T-correlatives become TRANS() functions that use regular delimiters between values when passed multivalued keys. More legible, though. Q pointers will also cause problems, these need to be changed to F types on UniData (supported on UniVerse though). There are differences in the enquiry language but many of these can be sorted by setting the UDT.OPTIONS which are runtime flags determining how certain operations work. Integration with the underlying OS is generally quite different, e.g. you can't use the copy (d)os: command, you would just create a file pointer to a directory. The middleware of choice is UniObjects, much nicer than the D3 equivalents IMHO but again not compatible. These are just the first things off the top of my head - basically there are lots of little things to consider, but all surmountable given time and a good test bed. Note that you can download personal editions of both UniVerse and UniData from the Rocket website to become familiar before you start to get in too deep. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Ruckel Sent: 22 November 2012 03:59 To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] converting D3 to UniData Can I convince someone in this group to share their experience/s converting D3 to UniData? Thanks, Danny ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unidata 6.1.15 Oddity
FWIW not just @VM. I have standard include code that does a CONVERT CHAR(222) TO @FM after doing MCU conversions on UniData. Since it just gets poked in various places I haven't checked if it is still a problem. BASICTYPE P, but no other UDT.OPTIONs strangely set .. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch Sent: 08 November 2012 15:11 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 6.1.15 Oddity Kevin: Many releases ago on Unidata we noticed that this particular code was not working. The code would work when we had it in another program. The program would fail even when we added CRT statements around the code. So, we moved the offending code to another area of the program and the problem was no longer. It seems there was something in the area of code that was causing the compiler to work correctly. Of course we have not seen any of the problem on the current release of 7.3. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Kevin King ke...@precisonline.com wrote: We have a customer who has a system that was rebooted a couple days ago. Since then, and only in one certain subroutine, when doing an MCU conversion on a multivalued list, the ASCII 253 value marks are replaced with ASCII 221. Understanding that the difference between an lower and upper case A is 32 in the ASCII table (97 - 65), it seems like Unidata is treating the delimiters like normal characters. But again, this only happens in certain programs. If I extract the lines of code that exhibit this behavior into its own program, the problem does not occur. Any ideas what might be causing this and only in one subroutine? Both my test program and the real program with the problem are $BASICTYPE U. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Sql Query
Hi Barry The first question with sql is - which sql? There are lots of variants, all offering very different capabilities and features (like U2 vs R83). SQL*Plus for Oracle is very different from TSQL for SQL Server: SQLite is a very 'standard' SQL but almost nobody uses the ANSI syntax to that level.. If you're an MSDN subscriber, Microsoft has partnered with PluralSight to offer some of their courses. I haven't done their SQL ones, but I have been through some of the other PluralSight stuff and it's been good. If not, download SQL Server Express anyway and the Management Studio. Then you want to download the adventureworks sample databases and then you can find some very good materials on MSDN and the SQL Server Books Online. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Barry Rogen Sent: 07 November 2012 16:18 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Sql Query Thank you all for places to get my foundation built. I think from there, I can build my own house Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst PNY Technologies, Inc. (973) 560-5327 bro...@pny.com We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:10 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Sql Query If your just interested in an easy paced method, and not something you need to master tomorrow. Look into www.ed2go.com They work with many of the community colleges and offer many 6 week Mini-classes. They are not college credit classes, but they are fairly inexpensive apx $95.00 A class. I have taken a lot of these for fundamentals. The only thing I don't like, is when you want to do more, they only release the lessons twice a week, And you can't work ahead... The advantage is that the class is easy paced, and has an instructor (forum formatted for questions) that You can ask questions from, who will usually answer advanced questions that the course does not cover, just Because they can, not because they have to. George I was in the same boat. Also, If you don't apply it, it really makes it difficult. Setup a MySQL (WAMP) on A PC, and start playing with some database projects. I have found that having a PICK background gives me An unusual style in creating SQL queries, such as creating functions as mini I-DESC, then using the Functions in SQL queries vs trying to setup a complicated JOIN. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Barry Rogen Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 9:45 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] [OT] Sql Query Our environment here is changing considerably and the focus is more and more inclusive of Sql database(s). My knowledge of Sql extends slightly past the ability to spell it. If I could get some suggestions on some good venues to learn the query language for this new database, it would be appreciated. There are so many books and venues out there, it is difficult to separate the good from the bad from the ugly. TIA, Barry Rogen ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue
There's a comedy radio show I listen to, and a few weeks back they had a 'My New App Does ..' round. One of the contributors said (paraphrased) I've got a brilliant new app! It shows a set of numbers on my display.. and if you press them in the right order .. it sends a message to one of your friends.. And you know what? If they respond - you can even talk to each other! Whoever would have thought of adding that to a phone? Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 02 November 2012 10:57 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue On 02/11/12 02:49, Bill Haskett wrote: Kind of reminds me of my phone. It's gotten so many functions, that barely work, now I can't even make a simple phone call. So I ditched my Android and went to a pay-as-you-go simple phone. Now I can receive and make calls without any problems. Who'd have thought? :-) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue
It was the precursor to RPL. Just as GIRLS was the precursor to PICK. SMI's Language Extender. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Barry Rogen Sent: 01 November 2012 18:01 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue So what does SMILE stand for ? Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst PNY Technologies, Inc. (973) 560-5327 bro...@pny.com We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:38 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue HA! I had to go look up SMILE for GIRLS -- what a GREAT acronym! They were really were creative (and yes, maybe a bit sexist...) in their naming! David W. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:02 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue Show me a single person in the world who has all of : Universe, Unidata, D3, Jbase, Revelation AND RPL and I will show you a liar Better keep my mouth shut, then, hadn't I ? grin. Mind you I'm surprised they didn't add SMILE for GIRLS... Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue
hmm and there was I thinking it was tiime for RPL.NET. All it would need is a tortuously non obvious syntax for property and method setting and class instantiation and it would be job done.. just need another buffer type for handles.. C instantiate my form and return handle IS ^1 MyForm ELSE \XNothing doing\END C set title property to hello MV ^1.Title hello C get value of client width indirectly MV %2 ClientWidth MV %3 ^1.%2 C double it F;%3;%3;+;?^1.%2 Cshow it MX ^1.Show Couldn't be more legible. Brian Sent from my iPad On 1 Nov 2012, at 19:32, charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com wrote: I did a lot of RPL coding in the 80s. I remember when I left that job telling them that I would rather slide down a razor blade into a vat of alcohol than write one more line of RPL code. But that's just my opinion. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue
and I overlooked the obvious, using the ! buffer for IEnumerable.. its a winner. Now, lambdas.. that might be a challenge.. they're already ugly enough. B Sent from my iPad On 1 Nov 2012, at 22:25, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Where's my pitchfork? -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Another job ad written by people who have no clue hmm and there was I thinking it was tiime for RPL.NET. All it would need is a tortuously non obvious syntax for property and method setting and class instantiation and it would be job done.. just need another buffer type for handles.. C instantiate my form and return handle IS ^1 MyForm ELSE \XNothing doing\END C set title property to hello MV ^1.Title hello C get value of client width indirectly MV %2 ClientWidth MV %3 ^1.%2 C double it F;%3;%3;+;?^1.%2 Cshow it MX ^1.Show Couldn't be more legible. Brian Sent from my iPad On 1 Nov 2012, at 19:32, charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com wrote: I did a lot of RPL coding in the 80s. I remember when I left that job telling them that I would rather slide down a razor blade into a vat of alcohol than write one more line of RPL code. But that's just my opinion. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UPLOAD not DOWNLOAD
Maybe you could give an example of why you would read the Dict for an
upload.
Since one of my free tools has already come up in the discussion :)
For my various versions of IMPORT (including BCI.IMPORT) dictionaries are
used for two reasons:
1. to identify which fields to update in each source, so it can be used like
a regular verb.
2. to handle calculated fields that may also need to be inserted based on
the import data.
Here's the usage for BCI.IMPORT to give an idea:
BCI.IMPORT
--
BCI.IMPORT by Brian Leach
Import SQL data into Universe.
Syntax
--
BCI.IMPORT [FROM datasoure]
[AS username][PASS[WORD] password]
[EXEC statement|{TEXT|SQL} statement]
[PARAM parameter..]
[FIRST rows]
UPDATES filename
[FIELD] fieldname {$n|EXPR expression|@special|'value'}
[CONV code][{NUMERIC|DATE|TIME}]
[LIST 'xxx,xxx'][RELATES file][BETWEEN n AND m]
[PATTERN xxx][operator][REQUIRED]
[MAP 'code=value[,code=value]']
[UPDATES filename ...]
Operators:
--
{INSERTFIRST|INSERTLAST|INSERTPOS|INSERTAL|INSERTAR|INSERTDL|INSERTDR|ADD|SU
B}
Expressions:
EXPR[ESSION] 'Expression'
Expression is made up of:
numbers eg 1.23
operatorseg +
dictionary names eg SURNAME
uV Basic functions eg FIELD()
@Variables eg @UserNo
import column $n eg $2
eg. EXPRESSION TRIM($1:' ':$2:' ':$3)
EXPRESSION $1 * PRICE
EXPRESSION SUM(LINE_TOTAL)
Specials:
-
{@USER|@DATE|@TIME|@LOGNAME|@IMPORTFILE|@WHO|@ROW}
Example:
BCI.IMPORT FROM mysource
AS sa PASSWORD admin
EXEC 'sp_getData' PARAM 'OPEN'
UPDATES FILE1
FIELD @ID $1 NUMERIC
FIELD DATE @DATE
FIELD NAME EXPRESSION '$3: :$4'
FIELD CODE $9 LIST 'ACA,ACB,ACC'
UPDATES FILE2
FIELD @ID $4
FIELD ENTRIES $1 INSERTLAST
FIELD QTY $7 INSERT BETWEEN 0 AND
FIELD TOTQTY $7 ADD
I write a lot of my utilities to be re-usable in this way, to be used as
verbs.
Brian
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris
Sent: 29 October 2012 07:17
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Subject: Re: [U2] UPLOAD not DOWNLOAD
You would use the dictionary item to know WHERE to put the data in U2
which file, attribute etc. if you are talking multi-values (or
deeper) then this could also be driven from the dictionary, which would
provide you with the capability of performing some mapping
UNLESS
you are in the position to dictate the format of the file you are trying to
import (aka upload?) into UV.
But, if you wanted to be able to map an arbitrary data source, as suggested
by George, using a dictionary would allow you to achieve the result in a
point click manner -- and depending on the dictionary could also ensure
that you don't download incomplete or invalid data into an otherwise
(hopefully) clean environment, setup defaults etc
Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage Better by Design!
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2012 11:01 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] UPLOAD not DOWNLOAD
snip
I'm confused about your mention of Dict items because I don't see how you
use Dict items for Uploading. I see how you use them for Downloading.
Maybe you could give an example of why you would read the Dict for an
upload.
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Re: [U2] [BDT] A giant leap forward
Rocket Software had to write a parser for Unidata and Universe in Eclipse to accomplish what the U2 compilers do. I guess they are trying to use regular parsing tools for what just isn't a standard language: UniBasic doesn't follow normal syntax rules. And of course, it only works if you're using regular UniBasic - not if you have a pre-compiler or want to edit anything else (e.g. a PROC, Paragraph, script, or some other asset like an HTML template or data item).. That's why mvDeveloper has always had its own hand-built parser and syntax definitions that can be customized. The new version extends this to allow new syntax types to be added based on standard 'families' and a new plug-in architecture to support a wider range of tools. It affects all kinds of things from the comment in/out rules, through navigation e.g. by next/prev labels to the build/compile commands. I'll be officially releasing version 2 early next month - so watch this space for announcements grin. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Selection Suggestions for using UV instead of SQL
Since the index files are actually type 25 files, you can always (though of course I would NEVER recommend this ... ) create a file pointer direct to the INDEX.nnn and read the entries as records ... saves grabbing a select list .. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 18 October 2012 09:53 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Selection Suggestions for using UV instead of SQL On 18/10/12 09:29, Martin Braid wrote: I think you mean SELECTINDEX index.name[,key.val] FROM file.var [TO list.num] Martin Followed by a READLIST ... Quite possibly - I can't remember. One *important* point to note - if you are planning to call this from an i-descriptor, as I did, don't forget you MUST save that to a non-default list, or any attempt to LIST the idescriptor will go horribly wrong... Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 18 October 2012 08:55 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Selection Suggestions for using UV instead of SQL On 17/10/12 16:40, George Gallen wrote: How would I get the contents of the Index? George Don't have the UV BASIC manual in front of me, but it's something like READINDEX variable FROM filedescriptor, indexname[, indexvalue] If you only pass filedescriptor and indexname, it will return a list of all the index values. If you also pass indexvalue, it will return a list of all keys for that value. I'll have a look later and see if I can find that routine - it's probably on my system somewhere, but my archives aren't that organised... Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:38 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Selection Suggestions for using UV instead of SQL On 17/10/12 14:59, George Gallen wrote: Ok. I have file1 - people that has @ID of PID I have file2 - registration that has @ID of PID+EID+RID (EID = event id, RID = registration id) I want to select people who are not in the registration file with an EID of 1. With an SQL statement - I could join the two, then do the select or use a subquery (I'm on UV 10.0.2 - not sure if sub querys work) Just curious how this could be done with UV Native, and without involving a program. I first tried SELECT REGISTRATION WITH EID = '1' SAVING UNIQUE PID - NSELECT PEOPLE But that returned 0 - since the NSELECT only works off the current select list, not the whole file Yes, I could create a temporary file, then select off that Yes, I could read each people record, then loop through registration to see if it doesn't exist. Both of the above require programming I guess I could create a subroutine that does the looping through registration, and put that into an I descriptor - looking for another option. Hmmm... What I guess I'd do - create an index on file2 based on PID. Create an idescriptor on file1 that gets the contents of that index. I had a routine somewhere that got fed an index value and file, and returned the contents of the index. It was quite useful, iirc. Manipulate it from there. Probably selecting where there is no value matching ...+1+... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Click https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== eUdxXwzJfD+jSPSM4kcQUHfMaOyCAuUs69aXEW7R1X!lw== to report this email as spam. Epicor Software (UK) is a limited company registered in England Wales. Registration Number: 2338274. Registered Office: 6th Floor, One London Wall, London EC2Y 5EB This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and is for the use of the intended recipient(s) only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. Any views and/or opinions expressed in this e-mail are of
Re: [U2] Wouldn't it be nice if
Will What's your end point? If you're trying to get an enquiry-like set of data and then mess around with it in Basic, you can use UniVerse SQL to generate a data set then iterate through it programmatically. That's quick and unlike the external SQL access (e.g. ODBC) it doesn't try to normalize it so you end up with sensible multivalued entries if you need. Something along the lines of: SQL = SELECT col1, col2 FROM some_file WHERE some_criteria ORDER BY some_fields Ok = SQLExecDirect(@HSTMT, SQL) Ok = SQLNumResultCols(@HSTMT, NumColumns) DIM COLS(NumColumns) * bind these for each fetch For I = 1 To NumColumns Ok = SQLBindCol(@HSTMT, I, SQL.B.DEFAULT, COLS(I)) Next Loop Ok = SQLFetch(@HSTMT) Until Ok = SQL.NO.DATA.FOUND Do * COLS() now has the data for this row For I = 1 To NumColumns Crt COLS(I):|: Next Crt Repeat Ok = SQLFreeStmt(@HSTMT, SQL.DROP) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: 10 October 2012 15:25 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Wouldn't it be nice if Hmm I'd say build the structure. I already have a verb WALK where you can give it a filename on the commandline and it will build a BASIC program to select and readnext and read each record in order. But it's not yet smart enough to handle a request to SORT... BY that might be a simple additional tweak not sure. -Original Message- From: Buss, Troy (Contractor, Logitek Systems) (Contractor, Logitek Systems) troy.b...@nordsonasymtek.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:13 am Subject: Re: [U2] Wouldn't it be nice if Hmm, I tend to work the other way and take basic programs that would be far less maintenance being a query, even if it takes a little idescriptor work to get it right. What is your tweakery challenge? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:51 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Wouldn't it be nice if We had a vendor provided command which would turn a Query statement into a BASIC program ? For those situations where you just want to make some tweaks to a query that's basically working ok just not perfectly. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _ Scanned by IBM Email Security Management Services powered by MessageLabs. For more information please visit http://www.ers.ibm.com This email is intended only for the use of the party to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of the email or its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately, by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. WARNING: Internet communications are not assured to be secure or clear of inaccuracies as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this email, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. _ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Consuming Web Services
Will I don't understand what's wrong with indexing, can you clarify this point, and I'll wipe out a fix in three days :) Well for a start I didn't say there's anything wrong, I said it could be improved - not the same thing! But as to specifics, take the following scenario (UniVerse specific): - Grab a transaction file for say, 10 million records. - Assume a reasonable key length say 10 chars. - Add a field with two states (open/closed, male/female, that kind of thing). - Index it, and watch what happens to the performance on that file. - Better still, don't use an existing file! Create a new file and a program to copy or build the content in basic and show a counter every 1000 records. At the start it will be quick. After about 500,000 you can grab a beer in between the counters. The problem is, that a UniVerse index is very good at establishing the index key: it has a nice B+tree format with a decent level of fan-out. But when it comes to the list of primary keys being indexed against each index key, that's really just treated as a block of data. If you have a good ratio with a lot of index keys (date*type*something_else) each of which gives a relatively short list of primary keys you can get very good indexing performance. But it isn't very clever when you have a small number of index keys to a large list of primary keys. So every time you changed the flag value in the file above it would have to load up the two lists (one for old value, one for new), locate and delete from the old and locate/fail/append to the new, each list averaging 11 byte * 5 million entries. And then write it back to a succession of oversize blocks in the index file. Now you might say - well, you wouldn't index a transaction file like that. And you would be right - because of the design of the index. But it's a perfectly legitimate and reasonable thing to want to do. How to better manage a large index list is, of course, the question. Since it is a large list into which elements are potentially inserted/deleted in order, the list itself could be made into a set of B+Tree pages over a certain threshold, reducing the cost of location/insertion and location/deletion. Other databases use techniques such as key deltas and compression to alleviate this. And I'm sure there are better options if I could be bothered to research them. So there you go, Will. Your job for the weekend. Redesign the UniVerse indexing so it works for large lists, and get Rocket to adopt it. :) Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: 04 October 2012 16:43 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Consuming Web Services ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Consuming Web Services (U2 Indexing)
Bill I *did* say UniVerse specific :) Yes, it uses a really nice and well-designed B+Tree for the index keys but once you're down to the data (the primary keys) they are stored in a regular record format with @FM between each key. You can see that easily enough as you can create a pointer to the INDEX.nnn record and just read/write it like any other type 25 file. Which is lots of luurrvvelley out of line record blocks to fill up when you do an insertion into the middle of a huge index list. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: 05 October 2012 17:15 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Consuming Web Services (U2 Indexing) Brian: I was under the impression that UniData uses a real B-Tree indexing system while UniVerse uses some kind of linked list. e.g. UV has a single item for, say, male/female and the item would look like ID: male 001 1]2]3]4]5]6]...]999 ...which would perform exactly as you say. I don't think UniData performs that way at all. Bill - Original Message - *From:* br...@brianleach.co.uk *To:* 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 10/5/2012 5:59 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Consuming Web Services Will I don't understand what's wrong with indexing, can you clarify this point, and I'll wipe out a fix in three days :) Well for a start I didn't say there's anything wrong, I said it could be improved - not the same thing! But as to specifics, take the following scenario (UniVerse specific): - Grab a transaction file for say, 10 million records. - Assume a reasonable key length say 10 chars. - Add a field with two states (open/closed, male/female, that kind of thing). - Index it, and watch what happens to the performance on that file. - Better still, don't use an existing file! Create a new file and a program to copy or build the content in basic and show a counter every 1000 records. At the start it will be quick. After about 500,000 you can grab a beer in between the counters. The problem is, that a UniVerse index is very good at establishing the index key: it has a nice B+tree format with a decent level of fan-out. But when it comes to the list of primary keys being indexed against each index key, that's really just treated as a block of data. If you have a good ratio with a lot of index keys (date*type*something_else) each of which gives a relatively short list of primary keys you can get very good indexing performance. But it isn't very clever when you have a small number of index keys to a large list of primary keys. So every time you changed the flag value in the file above it would have to load up the two lists (one for old value, one for new), locate and delete from the old and locate/fail/append to the new, each list averaging 11 byte * 5 million entries. And then write it back to a succession of oversize blocks in the index file. Now you might say - well, you wouldn't index a transaction file like that. And you would be right - because of the design of the index. But it's a perfectly legitimate and reasonable thing to want to do. How to better manage a large index list is, of course, the question. Since it is a large list into which elements are potentially inserted/deleted in order, the list itself could be made into a set of B+Tree pages over a certain threshold, reducing the cost of location/insertion and location/deletion. Other databases use techniques such as key deltas and compression to alleviate this. And I'm sure there are better options if I could be bothered to research them. So there you go, Will. Your job for the weekend. Redesign the UniVerse indexing so it works for large lists, and get Rocket to adopt it. :) Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Consuming Web Services
Getting back to the original question: In most, but not all cases, I use: UniVerse = (socket) = .NET Service - Web Service Where the .net service is not necessarily on the same machine as UniVerse (security/firewalling restrictions). Using UniVerse sockets to drive services is something I do in a lot of my applications (mvPDF, mvDistributor etc.) and works well. I also have routines for calling web services directly over UniVerse sockets, but you don't get the advantages of WSDL import and XML/JSON serialization built into .Net. The CallHTTP stuff is a pretty rubbish set of functions over the top of the socket API and XDOM is horrible so it's easier and more flexible to do your own if you're going that way :) As for the other stuff: we all love the u2 model (or we wouldn't be here) but that shouldn't blind us to the fact that there are areas where the implementation could be improved: indexing is one of those. Using cache better is probably another, but restricted by the fact that this is a multi-process model: caching would be much easier for single process, multithreaded servers that don't have to load shared memory segments to make data visible to all participants. In a replication scenario, for example, being able to replicate directly to a subscribers' cache could have advantages if you don't need the subscriber to guarantee that it has committed to disk in good time (unless it suddenly becomes a publisher/fail-over when it has to sync the cache).. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] What remote support product do YOU use?
For RDP check out 2x on ipad, its a reasly nice rdp client and much nicer than the logmein app. Sent from my iPad On 3 Oct 2012, at 17:59, Holt, Jake jh...@samsill.com wrote: Windows Remote Assistance for desktops, MSTSC for servers. I really like TeamViewer though. I use RDP Lite on my phone to remotely manage servers in a pinch. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 1:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] What remote support product do YOU use? Just posted this to the pick/multivalue Google group, but figure there may be some (larger?) U2 only people who may have valuable insight on the subject, so We have been using TeamViewer (www.teamviewer.com) for the past 18 months or so, and I'm generally very happy with it - I can access Windows, Linux apple hosts from my desktop, or even my iPhone (screen is too small for remote support so will be upgrading to a GalaxyNote 2 Phablet soon, so will have a chance to try out the Android client), and would be happy to recommend others looking for a solution (quote coupon code 95051-42-600991 to get a 3% discount) We had previously used LogMeIn, RDP for server access, and/or even VNC if we had VPN access, but TeamViewer just works for us. Licencing is one off, based on number of people our end that will be running concurrent sessions to clients, rather than paying per client system, and I keep toying with the idea of integrating with Visage as a Support button. We also use TeamViewer to run presentations, though I tend to use Skype rather than integrated VOIP capabilities That said, I'm also curious if anyone has a better product they have used (first hand, rather than just something they have read about which sounded good), and/or especially if you had previously had a commercial TeamViewer licence moved on. Hoping for confirmation of our choice, but happy to have my horizons expanded :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] STARTUP file issue with UV11.1 PE version (Linux)
Doug Have you remembered that STARTUP is a cpio archive? # cpio -uvcdumB uv.load STARTUP ./uv.load -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of doug chanco Sent: 01 October 2012 17:37 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] STARTUP file issue with UV11.1 PE version (Linux) I recently downloaded uv 11 and when I went to run STARTUP I got a weird error, upon looking at the STARTUP script I noticed it had a bunch of binary and other junk at the beginning of the file, I removed all the extra stuff, saved the file and it ran just fine. Has anyone else seen this? I re downloaded the zip and still had this issue. It was easy enough to resolve but I thought I would mention it. Dougc ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
