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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Clark
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why
anyonewouldwanttelnet-based tools
I don' know about Yar's Revenge, but there was a new ve
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> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of LeRoy Dreyfuss
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:45 PM
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> Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone
> wouldwanttelnet-based tools
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From: Allen E. Elwood
To: 'U2 Users List'
Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone wouldwanttelnet-based
tools
I think the proof of the pudding is that you're not going to find ONE vendor
designing *and advertising* a &#
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of LeRoy Dreyfuss
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:45 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone
wouldwanttelnet-based tools
Just to throw my hat in th
Just to throw my hat in the ring, I agree that a GUI is more desirable in this
day and age. However, I've worked with Bro's mvToolbox for the last 6-7 years
and it's been a godsend, shaving days and weeks from my efforts. I still keep a
copy and recently reached out to Bro to bring it into my pl
> From: Wjhonson
> WED is not an inplace full screen editor. It's merely
> a hyped up Notepad. Not the same thing. You cannot
> use WED to say "Oh by the way, go grab the cross
> reference files and show me every OTHER program that
> also reads the customer file." You could however do
> that
Only know do I understand.
Thanks
George
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From: Wjhonson
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:47 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
WED is not an inplace full screen editor.
It&#
ace full screen editor
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From: George R Smith
To: u2-users
Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
>Share ?
Accuterm Wed would be alternative. Good price great service.
Geo
Share ?
Accuterm Wed would be alternative. Good price great service.
George
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From: Wjhonson
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:15 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
Share
Share ?
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From: Les Hewkin
To: 'U2 Users List'
Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:04 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
Long live telnetwe use a full screen editor for Universe, written in house
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 20 February 2012 13:41
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
--- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen wrote:
> I seriously believe most
--- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen wrote:
> I seriously believe most MV people
> are not programming in ED on telnet (or
> ssh) and that they are using some form of
> GUI editor.
With respect, I disagree. I work alongside dozens of UniVerse developers and I
am in a very small minority who use
as opposed to LIST.DICT
> which in it's original form has to be one of THE most archaic features of
> the environment. Especially in a 25 x 80 green screen.
> >
> > Stuart.
> >
> > From: Symeon Breen
> > Sent: 18-Feb-12 21:15
or (IMHO)
> clean, consistent dicts and very easy to look at as opposed to LIST.DICT
> which in it's original form has to be one of THE most archaic features of the
> environment. Especially in a 25 x 80 green screen.
>
> Stuart.
> _______
Same here
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Clark
Sent: 19 February 2012 00:43
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools - dictionaries
Can we have a fresh thread for that?
> Quick pop quiz. How do people build and maintain dictionaries?
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> From: Symeon Breen
> Sent: 18-Feb-12 21:15
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> Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
> telnet-based tools
>
> I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet (or
> ssh) and that the
sed to LIST.DICT which in it's
original form has to be one of THE most archaic features of the environment.
Especially in a 25 x 80 green screen.
Stuart.
From: Symeon Breen
Sent: 18-Feb-12 21:15
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Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digress
to install properly.
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*From:* syme...@gmail.com
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*Date:* 2/18/2012 2:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
I se
I agree completely with this. Except the aversion to anything PICK. From
what I've noticed there is still an aversion because it is a mystery to
them. Most of the newbies to business have been brought up on MS and
anything else to them is old school. What used to be "You can't go wrong
when buy
-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch
Sent: 18 February 2012 02:48
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
Whether we are talking about Telnet that uses port 23 or UniObjects that
uses or 31438 or HTTP that uses
systems today.
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: 17 February 2012 17:09
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
"Why is DOS still on Windows? Because ther
500 Megabytes and counting, so I can see where a variable is used
That's a non-starter for me.
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From: Doug Averch
To: U2 Users List
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based
Whether we are talking about Telnet that uses port 23 or UniObjects that
uses or 31438 or HTTP that uses 80, it not the port that is the problem.
It is not the way packets are transported or what overhead each different
protocol has. The fact remains for me it is the presentation.
Why do you thi
> From: Bill Haskett
> Just to let people know, mvNET offer telnet as one of
> the connection methods (I use uodotnet) but it's fine
> for external developers for our ..NET application.
> Also, if I'm not mistaken, Fusionware uses telnet as
> their underlying connection method.
(mv.NET also s
Undelete sometimes works, always been hit or miss for me.
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:22 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
ever is to globally rename files
Ren *.txt *.doc
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:11 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about
It's still easier from DOS :)
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From: Phil Walker
To: U2 Users List
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
Actually, if you are on a newer version of windows the explorer
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> boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Clark
> Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2012 7:55 a.m.
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> Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
> telnet-based tools
>
> actually your example is pretty easy on current windows vers
From: Ed Clark
To: U2 Users List
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 10:55 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
actually your example is pretty easy on current windows versions. Type *.txt
nto the windows explorer search box, then select and delete. On t
od.
Bill
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*Date:* 2/17/2012 10:54 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
actually your example is pretty easy on current window
> pretty trivial to do at the DOS prompt. Rather more cumbersome to do in a
> Window
> click click click point, select click click select point click.
>
>
>
>
>
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:16 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Gee...I wonder when sockets were developed? They must be archaic too! :-)
Bill
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Gee...I wonder when sockets were developed? They must be archaic too! :-)
Bill
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*From:* dave...@gmail.com
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*Date:* 2/16/2012 7:16 PM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Tony, my
ect point click.
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From: George Gallen
To: U2 Users List
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 6:20 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Why? Because it has almost no overhead, and has the most flexibility.
Can the 3 year old (assuming they understood the process) select items from on
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:17 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
Why are we using telnet in
U2 as our main form of communication?
In today's world a 3 year old can use an iPad t
Whilst I understand where you are coming from Doug. I think we get too caught
up that telnet is negative. Microsoft had to bend to demand for a command
line system for Windows because the tech guys said it was too slow to do things
in Windows forms. When I talk to Oracle databases, SQL Ser
Tony, my worry is about support in the future if you cannot keep your
website functional today. Never did I say that product was not as
advertised.
Telnet is archaic and was developed around late 1960's. So when you are
using SQL Server, or Oracle, or Informix do you use telnet to do anything
to
> From: Wol
> Tony Gravagno wrote:
> > To Doug, you imply that GUI=productive which is as invalid as
> > telnet=unproductive.
> Actually, I think it's pretty much a given that
gui=UNproductive.
Well, in all fairness, I don't put that extreme postion on the
medium either. Maybe we can agree that
on't press this button?' "
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From: Wols Lists
To: u2-users
Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
On 16/02/12 23:09, Tony Gravagno wrote:
To Doug, you imply that GUI=productive which is as invalid as
telnet=unproductive. I also
On 16/02/12 23:09, Tony Gravagno wrote:
> To Doug, you imply that GUI=productive which is as invalid as
> telnet=unproductive. I also hoped that you would have restrained
> your competitive instincts in just this one case. You don't need
> to stomp on other products to promote your own. You'll n
> From: Doug Averch
> The goal of any tool is to make us, programmers, more
productive.
>
> Wjhonson wrote:
> > There's no market for a tool that runs on a telnet system.
To Wil, I suggest in agreement with Doug that productivity is
unrelated to the connection mechanism. mvToolbox is indeed a
p
Wil, you're asking a question from the product website or doc. I
just wanted to make people aware of the offering here, in
response to a specific request. At this point I suggest anyone
with interest take questions to the vendor.
> From: Wjhonson
> "As you type compiler messages from the real comp
expected" on each
keystroke
or something like that until I reach the '1' ?
Or what.
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From: Doug Averch
To: U2 Users List
Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 11:12 am
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
The goal of any tool is to make us, programmers, more productive. I
The goal of any tool is to make us, programmers, more productive. I've
used Accuterm back in 90's and even with all of the enhancements, it
requires a telnet session to work. Not the best way to show new
programmers that you have a telnet session open to compile a program.
The big question I alw
h
To: U2 Users List
Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox
You are telling us a great story with a very unhappy ending for a tool
hat may have been great in 1995. There is no market for a tool that runs
n telnet system no matter what great features it has or could have. That
You are telling us a great story with a very unhappy ending for a tool
that may have been great in 1995. There is no market for a tool that runs
on telnet system no matter what great features it has or could have. That
would be like me telling you can code in Java using VI or EMACS. Or better
y
> From: Doug Averch
> I saw this software many years ago at Spectrum
> conference. So I clicked on the link to see what's
> new. Most of the pages are dead and the ones that are
> not are hopeless out of date. See your comment from
> 2004 on http://www.mvtoolbox.com/Testimonials.1.html.
>
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