stored
at one central place.
It worked a bomb.
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Dawn and all,
Another aspect of GUI, which
Dawn
Why dispense with the work already done in Data/Basic - I
know I plug
the language, and y'all ignore me, but OpenInsight (the GUI
version of
Advanced Revelation) looks and feels just like the Gates
product, _and_
has the wonderful facility to use your already existing
DataBasic code.
The
but remembered not to include the entire original
post in my response this time -- sorry I forget that on
Oops! Me too - sorry folks!
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Sent: 22 April 2004 09:46
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Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Schalk, you don't have to send the screen layout up and down
the lines -
have locally installed GUI
At 01:06 AM 22/04/2004, Anthony Youngman wrote:
Java (not necessarily Sun's version) will be available on any platform
that people care to put it on. MS have made a point of saying (or at the
very least not denying) that .net is intended to work best with Windows
and, indeed, parts of it are
AM
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Dawn
Why dispense with the work already done in Data/Basic - I
know I plug
the language, and y'all ignore me, but OpenInsight (the GUI
version of
Advanced Revelation) looks and feels just like the Gates
product, _and_
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So, shockwave is fine, Java
Web Start is fine and anything else that could be installed by users
going
Hello Tony,
At 03:56 PM 21/04/2004, Tony Gravagno wrote:
I'm just trying to find the time to get into Mono. I believe it has a
bright future and will be great for all of us wanting cross-platform access
into our MV apps.
Maybe also have a look at dotgnu:
others' viewpoints. It's a shame the lusers can't too.
Cheers,
Wol
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Sent: 21 April 2004 11:46
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Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Hello Tony,
At 03:56 PM
Of Christophe Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:03 AM
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Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Well, you have the java choice ;-)
Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James.
Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html
Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote:
Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it. But I sure don't
see how you are locked in to Sun by using it. The Java libraries will be
perpetuated with or without Sun. For example, IBM develops with Java, and
I'm certain they don't think they are locked into
Of Christophe Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:03 AM
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Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Well, you have the java choice ;-)
Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James.
Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html
But you'll
Even though AFAIK the C# compiler itself is still available free.
Yes, the VB.NET and the C# compiler are absolutely free. There is NOTHING
that you can do with Visual Studio.NET that you can't do with the free
download and notepad (or other). Actually, there are things you can do with
the
I wrote:
... An Enterprise level shop doesn't care
that the software costs over US1000 and probably wouldn't be
using PHP for development. The Borland model is bl**dy expensive.
Dangit, I meant to emphasize that The Borland model NOT is bl**dy
expensive.
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just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal
vendors or Eudora users or Netscape shareholders or vb6 developers).
And, just what's wrong with these things?They're still available. And
work And are used.
Not a thing Bruce I wasn't suggesting there was. But there was
In a message dated 4/19/2004 10:57:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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Well, perhaps not DOS or dumb terminal vendors g
wanna bet ?
Will
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At 15:12 20/04/04, you wrote:
just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal
vendors or Eudora users or Netscape shareholders or vb6 developers
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Citrix and I don't get along -- too many bad memories trying to set up ODBC
so that client machines ... anyway, I
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Citrix and I don't get along -- too many bad memories trying to set up
ODBC
so that client machines ... anyway, I know that there are reasons that
shops
use it, just as there are reasons I hope not to have to touch the product
again ;-)
And I
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just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal
vendors or Eudora users or Netscape shareholders or vb6 developers).
And, just
I was hoping Ross would recognise the possiblity that Windows might go the
same way despite current market domination.
So write your clients in Delphi -
Delphi for Windows native
Delphi for .Net
Delphi (Kylix) for Linux
and D2J - produces Java bytecode from Delphi.
Or if you want browser based
Hi Craig,
At 03:12 PM 20/04/2004, Craig Bennett wrote:
Perhaps you need to look at XAML/Avalon, which will be part of Windows
Longhorn by the time it BYTES, the various opensource CLT projects
should be up away, and you may have your path.
Sorry for the ignorance, but what is CLT?
Do you
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I was hoping Ross would recognise the possiblity that Windows might go
the
same way despite current market domination.
So write your clients in Delphi -
Delphi for Windows native
Delphi for .Net
Delphi (Kylix) for Linux
and D2J - produces
(scary how much php has moved up lately!)
Actually I find it reassuring to know that PHP is still more popular than C#
Brian
This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar
malicious code and
Isn't that what thin clients are for? To hold the app on the client end and
only convey data.
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Dawn
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Isn't that what thin clients are for? To hold
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This does violate your rule about zero install, but I can't
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Dawn,
how blue sky are we talking?
I am hugely impressed with wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org) a C++ GUI
framework for developing applications on Windows, X, Mac, OS/2.
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I disagree with a couple of points.
For one, there is no reason that a character based app can not be written to
validate data inputs just as efficiently as a GUI. Users can be forced to
choose from a list of pre authorized values by a number of means. An
assigned function key which brings up a
today.
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So, shockwave is fine, Java
Web Start is fine and anything else
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Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:31 PM
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So, shockwave is fine, Java
Web Start is fine and anything else that could be installed by users
And will this next version of .NET run fine on Linux and Mac OS?
Well, that is the question just about everyone would like answered. It
seems that Microsoft is well aware of several projects (mono being the most
popular) and is monitoring those developments at this point. I can't tell
if
In a message dated 4/20/2004 7:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Or if you want browser based cross platform - is anyone on the list using
Macromedia flash to talk to U2 through web services?
Brian
Aren't you missing something there? Or can web services speak
In a message dated 4/20/2004 8:19:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
(scary how much php has moved up lately!)
Actually I find it reassuring to know that PHP is still
more popular than C#
Brian
Wasn't C# writen by a programmer who could only type 10 words a minute?
In a message dated 4/20/2004 12:34:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I'll accept that restatement, Will. My intent was not that there was no
footprint on the client, but that the user could go to a URL and would be
able to launch what they need to from there. So,
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Also, IMHO the primary usefulness of a GUI (lets face it folks, we're
talking about the Microsoft Windows GUI) is the fact that
so many people
already know how to use it.
Wait do you mean the Windoze
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Wait do you mean the Windoze GUI that MS shamelessly stole from
Macintosh ?
Presume you meant to say that Apple shamelessly stole from Xerox - n'es
pas?
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Brian Leach wrote:
Or if you want browser based cross platform - is anyone on the list
using Macromedia flash to talk to U2 through web services?
Will wrote:
Aren't you missing something there? Or can web services
speak directly to a U2 database? And if so ... how?
For info on Web Services
Brian Leach wrote:
The data based stuff is pretty recent in terms of Flash, and I
guess most of the Flash community hasn't caught onto it yet -
after all, it is primarily a tool for content designers (and
for some pretty good games too) so most of the people using it
are not database minded.
chris wrote:
mono is an C# .net port for linux. It supposed to run C# exes as
is (from a windows box) I haven't tired it yet. I still working on
my hello world app in C# so I'm not ready to try porting anything :)
I'm just trying to find the time to get into Mono. I believe it has a
bright
Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a
silver bullet is found.
I've been hunting for years.
Mark Johnson
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Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a
silver bullet is found.
I've been hunting for years.
Mark Johnson
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some delight today.
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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:57 PM
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We have been using a product called SmarTerm from Esker
My former employer Intuit Eclipse has successfully implemented a Java front
end (Solar Eclipse... get it, Sun... Java... Solar, Arrgh) for their
distribution ERP system. The nice part is that you can use any combibnation
of GUI and character interface you like. For example, the guys in the
some delight today.
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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:21 PM
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My former employer Intuit Eclipse has successfully implemented
We first tried wIntegrate that created the GUI environment but of course
required a client side. It worked pretty well and we still have a client
using and asking for modifications to those applications.
Several years ago, we found RedBack which runs under Unidata/Universe.
Initially we focused
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Ah, I should add or modify one of the requirements -- when I indicated that
there needs to be no setup on the client, I should put that in the client
tier and consider citrix servers to be application clients, of sorts
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Take and give some delight today.
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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:21 PM
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Dawn,
Citrix Server would break DLG (Dawn's Law
M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
www.tincat-group.com
Take and give some delight today.
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Behalf Of Ross Ferris
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:21 PM
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Dawn,
how blue sky are we talking?
I am hugely impressed with wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org) a C++ GUI
framework for developing applications on Windows, X, Mac, OS/2.
I also think the world is crying out for a cross platform application
browesr (same idea as a web browser, but for running
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Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Dawn,
how blue sky are we talking?
I am hugely impressed with wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org) a C++ GUI
framework for developing applications on Windows, X, Mac, OS/2.
I also think the world is crying out for a cross
You can't really have a zero client footprint. I'd rephrase Dawn's
statement
to say that perhaps you are using client software that the average person
would ALREADY have installed such as a browser, a jpg viewer, a mp3
player,
etc.
As long as its the RIGHT browser, an appropriate version,
April 2004 1:57 PM
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In a message dated 4/19/2004 6:36:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This does violate your rule about zero install, but I can't think of a
real
zero install technology ... once you consider
Perhaps you need to look at XAML/Avalon, which will be part of Windows
Longhorn by the time it BYTES, the various opensource CLT projects
should be up away, and you may have your path.
But Ross, that gives me no more advantages than using IE6 in the context of
Dawn's question (although I
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