Re: [U2] Epicor job near Denver
Their Eclipse Development group is in Broomfield, CO which would explain why they are looking for the combination of Java and Universe. Wjhonson wrote: http://www.dice.com/job/result/10170902/8005?src=19q=software%20developericidcnt=CT:AF If I'm reading it right this job is in Denver area (area code 303), but Epicor is based in Minneapolis ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
The end of the world is nigh as well -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 11 July 2011 22:56 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse On 08/07/11 22:53, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: Microsoft isn't struggling and they license Sharepoint only for named users and still sell it! Are you sure :-) (MS isn;t struggling, that is ...) They've had several very high profile reverses lately. The obvious example to me is the London Stock Exchange, where their system failed publicly and dramatically, and has been replaced by a new system that is both faster and cheaper. I can't name any more examples off the top of my head, but I know there have been a fair few. I'm seeing a bunch of reports that their behaviour is typical for a company spiralling into Chapter 11 - some estimates are as close as 2012! They're up against serious competition from Apple and Linux now - for the first time in many years they're actually having to compete, and compete hard. And although they look profitable, they have long had a reputation for massaging the figures. Except now it looks like the figures are coming home to roost. And their big problem is the mismatch between where the expenses are incurred and the income is made. From what I can tell, the American operation is running at a loss, but overseas operations are profitable. The problem is that overseas operations are in tax havens, so while it looks like they're making more than they're spending, the money is not in the right place. And as soon as they repatriate the money, they will incur tax liabilities that will drive them into the red. In other words - America is not profitable. Bankruptcy is inevitable if they don't repatriate profits. But if they do repatriate profits, Uncle Sam will want his cut, which they can't afford, so bankruptcy is inevitable... If you want to trust Microsoft and rely on them, fine. But what's the saying? trust, but verify? What will you do if MS's activation servers go down, and Windows et al stops working? Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3758 - Release Date: 07/11/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
On 08/07/11 22:53, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: Microsoft isn't struggling and they license Sharepoint only for named users and still sell it! Are you sure :-) (MS isn;t struggling, that is ...) They've had several very high profile reverses lately. The obvious example to me is the London Stock Exchange, where their system failed publicly and dramatically, and has been replaced by a new system that is both faster and cheaper. I can't name any more examples off the top of my head, but I know there have been a fair few. I'm seeing a bunch of reports that their behaviour is typical for a company spiralling into Chapter 11 - some estimates are as close as 2012! They're up against serious competition from Apple and Linux now - for the first time in many years they're actually having to compete, and compete hard. And although they look profitable, they have long had a reputation for massaging the figures. Except now it looks like the figures are coming home to roost. And their big problem is the mismatch between where the expenses are incurred and the income is made. From what I can tell, the American operation is running at a loss, but overseas operations are profitable. The problem is that overseas operations are in tax havens, so while it looks like they're making more than they're spending, the money is not in the right place. And as soon as they repatriate the money, they will incur tax liabilities that will drive them into the red. In other words - America is not profitable. Bankruptcy is inevitable if they don't repatriate profits. But if they do repatriate profits, Uncle Sam will want his cut, which they can't afford, so bankruptcy is inevitable... If you want to trust Microsoft and rely on them, fine. But what's the saying? trust, but verify? What will you do if MS's activation servers go down, and Windows et al stops working? Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
I believe our licences (as a VAR) with Rocket specify that when we sell UniData and SB+ it's part of the application and is only licenced to run the application it's sold with. So it sounds valid, although they may have the option to only sell UD and SB+ support. Colin From: meckif Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Colin So I wouldn't be allowed to write a single line of code using U2 or SB+ if I were one of your customers? Because that line of code wouldn't be part of your application and therefore would invalidate my U2 license, right? In that case I would never buy any application software from you. As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! On 08/07/2011 07:06, Colin Alfke wrote: I believe our licences (as a VAR) with Rocket specify that when we sell UniData and SB+ it's part of the application and is only licenced to run the application it's sold with. So it sounds valid, although they may have the option to only sell UD and SB+ support. Colin From: meckif Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Probably not. I haven't looked at our contracts and I've only had a quick scan of ours with Rocket so I'm not sure of the definition of application. If you wrote a report or new interface maybe OK. If you wrote something to keep track of your CD collection - likely not. I'm not sure if it's just us or not (it sounded like Epicor has the same terms with Rocket), but we don't get full licences from Rocket for UD/SB+ - they are for the embedded application. They are significantly cheaper than the full licence - we've got some abnormally good terms from Rocket (at least that's what they keep telling us). Of course, we may be able to upgrade to full licenses - but we've never had a client that required anything like that, and since we've sunsetted our MV application the point is pretty much moot. If you ever go work for a law firm - give me a shout. That's what we do (just not with an MV based application). My original point was simply that Epicor's claim may have been valid. It sounds like you've got lots of valid grievances with them but this may not be one. Colin -Original Message- From: Mecki Foerthmann Colin So I wouldn't be allowed to write a single line of code using U2 or SB+ if I were one of your customers? Because that line of code wouldn't be part of your application and therefore would invalidate my U2 license, right? In that case I would never buy any application software from you. As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! On 08/07/2011 07:06, Colin Alfke wrote: I believe our licences (as a VAR) with Rocket specify that when we sell UniData and SB+ it's part of the application and is only licenced to run the application it's sold with. So it sounds valid, although they may have the option to only sell UD and SB+ support. Colin From: meckif Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
From: Mecki Foerthmann As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! Under the strict terms of U2 licensing, as defined by IBM lawyers, most companies here would be violation of the EULA. Such terms intentionally favor the vendors to allow them to act if licensing is being abused, though I haven't heard of a single instance where the more draconian terms were ever invoked. MV is struggling for many reasons, per-seat licensing a primary culprit, but I don't think anyone has ever not purchased a MV license because they felt the licensing didn't support multiple MV applications on a single system. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Tony, Microsoft isn't struggling and they license Sharepoint only for named users and still sell it! My employer doesn't mind to pay a rather moderate license fee for 160 seats every year. But being charged tens of Thousands of Pounds for annual application support and every call still costs £100/hr really pissed them off. It isn't per-seat licensing but greedy software vendors that come up with rip-off schemes like that which give MV a bad name. Mecki On 08/07/2011 17:53, Tony Gravagno wrote: From: Mecki Foerthmann As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! Under the strict terms of U2 licensing, as defined by IBM lawyers, most companies here would be violation of the EULA. Such terms intentionally favor the vendors to allow them to act if licensing is being abused, though I haven't heard of a single instance where the more draconian terms were ever invoked. MV is struggling for many reasons, per-seat licensing a primary culprit, but I don't think anyone has ever not purchased a MV license because they felt the licensing didn't support multiple MV applications on a single system. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Talk to Rocket. I have heard that there have been some discussion to resolve this problem David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
Hey Guys, Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
You might want to check these guys out. Not sure if they deal with Eclipse (or if I understand what Eclipse really is- too many buzzwords to keep up with), but, they have done plenty of Ultimate Plus to Universe/Unidata conversions and moved people away from Activant, while keeping the old PICK/MV apps in place. http://www.s7.com/s7migrationservices.html A gentleman by the name of Bruce Decker helped us out a great deal. If that is not relevant, forgive my ignorance on the understanding of what Eclipse is. I was just assuming that it was some type of MV system, or you would not have posted here... On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:03 PM, David maildsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys, Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
They would probably do QM or some other flavor too, but, for an extra fee. It all depends on, if its been done before, etc. etc., and how much new engineering has to be done. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:18 PM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.comwrote: You might want to check these guys out. Not sure if they deal with Eclipse (or if I understand what Eclipse really is- too many buzzwords to keep up with), but, they have done plenty of Ultimate Plus to Universe/Unidata conversions and moved people away from Activant, while keeping the old PICK/MV apps in place. http://www.s7.com/s7migrationservices.html A gentleman by the name of Bruce Decker helped us out a great deal. If that is not relevant, forgive my ignorance on the understanding of what Eclipse is. I was just assuming that it was some type of MV system, or you would not have posted here... On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:03 PM, David maildsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys, Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
Also ask whether your client owns the source code. If not, things get trickier when dealing with Activant/Epicor. Fortunately, we did own our own source code, so there wasn't much they could do, when we decided to move away from them. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:20 PM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.comwrote: They would probably do QM or some other flavor too, but, for an extra fee. It all depends on, if its been done before, etc. etc., and how much new engineering has to be done. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:18 PM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.comwrote: You might want to check these guys out. Not sure if they deal with Eclipse (or if I understand what Eclipse really is- too many buzzwords to keep up with), but, they have done plenty of Ultimate Plus to Universe/Unidata conversions and moved people away from Activant, while keeping the old PICK/MV apps in place. http://www.s7.com/s7migrationservices.html A gentleman by the name of Bruce Decker helped us out a great deal. If that is not relevant, forgive my ignorance on the understanding of what Eclipse is. I was just assuming that it was some type of MV system, or you would not have posted here... On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:03 PM, David maildsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys, Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson -- John Thompson -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition - Bayesian Filter detected spam
Just drop support and hire an ex-Eclipse employee to do the programming. Quicken and Activant reduced development and support staff so there are people out there. And you say they are a client ... do you program for them? Email me off-line for more info Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:03 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition - Bayesian Filter detected spam Hey Guys, Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
From: David Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. I'm hoping they consider migration to another MV-based platform rather than doing the multi-whammy : changing DBMS, application, vendors, and employees. There are many fine ERP packages based on MV. The company should check with Rocket Software, and since they're considering a full migration anyway I believe they should also talk with Northgate, InterSystems, and TigerLogic, who all have vendors with large-scale packages. If they don't find what they need, sure, consider going elsewhere. Yes, to answer the questions, FOSS ERP platforms have been getting more robust and are worthy of investigation. I don't have stats right now but not long ago something like 12 out of the top 20 SourceForge projects were ERP - not the typical stuff we see there like torrent client/server, Linux tools, or games. I've said for years that MV-based ERP vendors were going to lose their shirts to those other offerings if they didn't learn to adapt and compete. Well, here we are. Hint to MV application vendors: Open Source your software, sell support and development services, and market that model to the mainstream. That's what your modern competitors are doing. And really, isn't that sort of what you've been doing for decades anyway, just not advertising it? Then you just need to get the DBMS vendors to open their eyes and recognize that the per-seat licensing model has been dead for at least a decade... Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
An interesting stat about openbravo is how many devs they have on staff. I looked at them a few years ago and it was huge. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki On 07/07/2011 22:27, Tony Gravagno wrote: From: David Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. I'm hoping they consider migration to another MV-based platform rather than doing the multi-whammy : changing DBMS, application, vendors, and employees. There are many fine ERP packages based on MV. The company should check with Rocket Software, and since they're considering a full migration anyway I believe they should also talk with Northgate, InterSystems, and TigerLogic, who all have vendors with large-scale packages. If they don't find what they need, sure, consider going elsewhere. Yes, to answer the questions, FOSS ERP platforms have been getting more robust and are worthy of investigation. I don't have stats right now but not long ago something like 12 out of the top 20 SourceForge projects were ERP - not the typical stuff we see there like torrent client/server, Linux tools, or games. I've said for years that MV-based ERP vendors were going to lose their shirts to those other offerings if they didn't learn to adapt and compete. Well, here we are. Hint to MV application vendors: Open Source your software, sell support and development services, and market that model to the mainstream. That's what your modern competitors are doing. And really, isn't that sort of what you've been doing for decades anyway, just not advertising it? Then you just need to get the DBMS vendors to open their eyes and recognize that the per-seat licensing model has been dead for at least a decade... Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse - Found word(s) remove list in the Text body
2 dozen cheers for Mecki. Yes, this is a standard VAR tactic, since they are paying your license fees to the software vendor. Just deal directly with the software vendor. They tried that with our 3rd party fax software and had logged on to our system after we had dropped support. I had to remind them of California Penal Code Section 502 -Unauthorized Access to Computers, Computer Systems and Computer Data. Check your software contract - it may say licensed in perpetuity We never buy software without the source code. Garry L. Smith -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:55 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse - Found word(s) remove list in the Text body Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki On 07/07/2011 22:27, Tony Gravagno wrote: From: David Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. I'm hoping they consider migration to another MV-based platform rather than doing the multi-whammy : changing DBMS, application, vendors, and employees. There are many fine ERP packages based on MV. The company should check with Rocket Software, and since they're considering a full migration anyway I believe they should also talk with Northgate, InterSystems, and TigerLogic, who all have vendors with large-scale packages. If they don't find what they need, sure, consider going elsewhere. Yes, to answer the questions, FOSS ERP platforms have been getting more robust and are worthy of investigation. I don't have stats right now but not long ago something like 12 out of the top 20 SourceForge projects were ERP - not the typical stuff we see there like torrent client/server, Linux tools, or games. I've said for years that MV-based ERP vendors were going to lose their shirts to those other offerings if they didn't learn to adapt and compete. Well, here we are. Hint to MV application vendors: Open Source your software, sell support and development services, and market that model to the mainstream. That's what your modern competitors are doing. And really, isn't that sort of what you've been doing for decades anyway, just not advertising it? Then you just need to get the DBMS vendors to open their eyes and recognize that the per-seat licensing model has been dead for at least a decade... Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: 07 April 2011 06:38 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Funny as heck. I started writing up a few brief notes on this thread, and immediately Epicor popped up as an Adsense advertiser in my margin. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3555 - Release Date: 04/06/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
In a message dated 4/7/2011 12:17:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, syme...@gmail.com writes: Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! That's funny but not. I was playing with my notepad and some program turned on my cam when I didn't even know it was going to do that. You know those cams spy on you when you're sleeping and stuff. It's all part of the master plan. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! That's funny but not. I was playing with my notepad and some program turned on my cam when I didn't even know it was going to do that. You know those cams spy on you when you're sleeping and stuff. It's all part of the master plan. That's why I have duck tape over my built in camera on my laptop. I hate camera's that don't have a manual lens cover. You never know when one of those spyware programs will activate the camera Band-aids work well also, the cotton pad won't gum/scratch the camera and are easy/cheap to replace if you ever need to use the camera. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Mine has never done that so far - it's an Instamatic over in the corner gathering dust. ;^) Charlie On 04-07-2011 10:11 AM, fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/7/2011 12:17:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, syme...@gmail.com writes: Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! That's funny but not. I was playing with my notepad and some program turned on my cam when I didn't even know it was going to do that. You know those cams spy on you when you're sleeping and stuff. It's all part of the master plan. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
In a message dated 4/7/2011 8:32:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes: That's why I have duck tape over my built in camera on my laptop. I hate camera's that don't have a manual lens cover. You never know when one of those spyware programs will activate the camera How many ducks had to die for your tape ! The horror! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Just Gilbert. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position In a message dated 4/7/2011 8:32:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes: That's why I have duck tape over my built in camera on my laptop. I hate camera's that don't have a manual lens cover. You never know when one of those spyware programs will activate the camera How many ducks had to die for your tape ! The horror! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Interesting indeed. I thought that I would check out the website contained in Joe's original email bsgstaffing.com, I was not surprised that I can not find a viable website at the address. Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
It seems he's real enough. Checks out with GoDaddy.com as being registered in New Jersey, anyway. It's just that unless they are looking for someone to go through the Stargate and work off-world there just ISN'T a job that is SO secret, SO sensitive that you can't even say what state/country the job is located in. I mean, come on! We're all professionals, and a pretty smart bunch, too! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Pizer Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:29 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Interesting indeed. I thought that I would check out the website contained in Joe's original email bsgstaffing.com, I was not surprised that I can not find a viable website at the address. Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Different products within the Epicor offering. The flagship hunk of junk - E9 runs on progress. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Epicor has their package of the future which started as Vantage and is now just called Epicor 9. It is a Progress based system which can run on either a Progress database or Sql. Unfortunately, my company has taken the misstep to divert from UniVerse to this monstrosity. Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst 973 560-5327 bro...@pny.com - We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner Before printing please think about your environmental responsibility -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Epicor's Avante used to run on both UniData and UniVerse. I presume that Avante is still the same. Avante-UniData was intended for Windows Servers. Avante-UniVerse on Unix Servers. I am not aware of any Epicor's product running on Progress. I believe that Epicor had (or still has) other ERP software running on U2. A few years ago, with Epicor's new president, George X... Epicor's newer flagship product was released and runs on Microsoft SQL Server. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Manage-2000 aka ROI is still under the Epicor flag and using Unidata as the database. Epicor pushes hard to move us off to other products but we are die hards and to my knowledge development is still continuing on this product. We are a loyal bunch and love listening to the traumas of those that have tried to transition off to other offerings with great difficulty. On 4/6/2011 12:46 PM, Marc Harbeson wrote: Different products within the Epicor offering. The flagship hunk of junk - E9 runs on progress. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 110406-0, 04/06/2011 Tested on: 4/6/2011 12:55:20 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2011 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
Same story with us. Avante, Unidata, Windows. Epicor had several ERP products and Epicor 9 was developed to be the single ERP application for marketing. Development continues on Avante, but I don't think there is much marketing of the Epicor Unidata Products. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tech Man Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:55 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Manage-2000 aka ROI is still under the Epicor flag and using Unidata as the database. Epicor pushes hard to move us off to other products but we are die hards and to my knowledge development is still continuing on this product. We are a loyal bunch and love listening to the traumas of those that have tried to transition off to other offerings with great difficulty. On 4/6/2011 12:46 PM, Marc Harbeson wrote: Different products within the Epicor offering. The flagship hunk of junk - E9 runs on progress. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor was from the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL Server offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle tier AFAIK. --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Barry Rogen bro...@pny.com wrote: Epicor has their package of the future which started as Vantage and is now just called Epicor 9. It is a Progress based system which can run on either a Progress database or Sql. Unfortunately, my company has taken the misstep to divert from UniVerse to this monstrosity. Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst 973 560-5327 bro...@pny.com - We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner Before printing please think about your environmental responsibility -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Epicor's Avante used to run on both UniData and UniVerse. I presume that Avante is still the same. Avante-UniData was intended for Windows Servers. Avante-UniVerse on Unix Servers. I am not aware of any Epicor's product running on Progress. I believe that Epicor had (or still has) other ERP software running on U2. A few years ago, with Epicor's new president, George X... Epicor's newer flagship product was released and runs on Microsoft SQL Server. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.com wrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
To purchase a Epicor U2 product you must first know it exists, then beg to buy it. (Unless you're an existing customer, then they will gladly sell you more copies) Development continues - but not nearly at the pace for when the U2 products were in active marketing driven development. Today all development is driven by customer requested features. (Which is actually better than marketing driven) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Michael Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:03 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Same story with us. Avante, Unidata, Windows. Epicor had several ERP products and Epicor 9 was developed to be the single ERP application for marketing. Development continues on Avante, but I don't think there is much marketing of the Epicor Unidata Products. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tech Man Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:55 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Manage-2000 aka ROI is still under the Epicor flag and using Unidata as the database. Epicor pushes hard to move us off to other products but we are die hards and to my knowledge development is still continuing on this product. We are a loyal bunch and love listening to the traumas of those that have tried to transition off to other offerings with great difficulty. On 4/6/2011 12:46 PM, Marc Harbeson wrote: Different products within the Epicor offering. The flagship hunk of junk - E9 runs on progress. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
I can only imagine how this feels at Rocket... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:51 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor was from the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL Server offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle tier AFAIK. --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Barry Rogen bro...@pny.com wrote: Epicor has their package of the future which started as Vantage and is now just called Epicor 9. It is a Progress based system which can run on either a Progress database or Sql. Unfortunately, my company has taken the misstep to divert from UniVerse to this monstrosity. Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst 973 560-5327 bro...@pny.com - We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner Before printing please think about your environmental responsibility -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Epicor's Avante used to run on both UniData and UniVerse. I presume that Avante is still the same. Avante-UniData was intended for Windows Servers. Avante-UniVerse on Unix Servers. I am not aware of any Epicor's product running on Progress. I believe that Epicor had (or still has) other ERP software running on U2. A few years ago, with Epicor's new president, George X... Epicor's newer flagship product was released and runs on Microsoft SQL Server. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.com wrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Why would they care? I know products that moved to MSSQL and ppl still lined up for the unix offering. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Marc Harbeson marc.harbe...@gmail.com wrote: I can only imagine how this feels at Rocket... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:51 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor was from the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL Server offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle tier AFAIK. --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Barry Rogen bro...@pny.com wrote: Epicor has their package of the future which started as Vantage and is now just called Epicor 9. It is a Progress based system which can run on either a Progress database or Sql. Unfortunately, my company has taken the misstep to divert from UniVerse to this monstrosity. Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst 973 560-5327 bro...@pny.com - We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner Before printing please think about your environmental responsibility -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Epicor's Avante used to run on both UniData and UniVerse. I presume that Avante is still the same. Avante-UniData was intended for Windows Servers. Avante-UniVerse on Unix Servers. I am not aware of any Epicor's product running on Progress. I believe that Epicor had (or still has) other ERP software running on U2. A few years ago, with Epicor's new president, George X... Epicor's newer flagship product was released and runs on Microsoft SQL Server. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.com wrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:51 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor was from the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL Server offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle tier AFAIK. --dawn On Wed, Apr
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:51 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
lol On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:51 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
Your contribution is welcome and valued! Brenda L Price UniVerse Lead Programmer Rapid Response Team Market America, Inc. Greensboro, NC U2 User Group Board Member - u2ug.org -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Carter Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:08 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Overly sensitive much? It was a joke. Mecki, This is exactly the reason this :) was invented for use in textual conversations where the subtleties of inflection are missing. I think a lot of folks here on U2users seem to have developed easily bunched panties syndrome lately. Chill people. Oh and Eclipse (Avanti, Intuit, this weeks owner) definitely runs on Universe. John Carter wrote: I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse WasRe: PICKSystems Administratorposition
Thank you! John -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brenda Price Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:29 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse WasRe: PICKSystems Administratorposition Your contribution is welcome and valued! Brenda L Price UniVerse Lead Programmer Rapid Response Team Market America, Inc. Greensboro, NC U2 User Group Board Member - u2ug.org -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Carter Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:08 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
So am I. ;-) Spoiling Epicor's easy profit making scheme that is. Before I started my current job the company I work for was spending tens if not hundreds of thousands of Pounds on Epicor consulting and project management services every year. Now Epicor don't get a penny and even lost the revenue from UD support! They were stupid enough to tell management they would stop development of Avante after release 9.5 trying to sell them on Vantage. The result being that the company is now switching to an Oracle based ERP system from another vendor because Vantage didn't cut to the chase then and as you admitted yourself neither does E9. The main division is still running on Avante 9.2, though! Who needs Epicor RD or consultants costing £1000 a day if one decent in house MV developer can modify a SB+ based package quickly and at low cost to whatever the company needs? BTW I use IBM Cognos for dashboards, KPIs and reporting these days. Not just with data from Avante but also from Oracle and SQL Server. Exporting data to Excel is child's play with SB+ too and even the guys on the shop floor are doing it without the help from IT. And the best thing is it's not relational but U2! On 06/04/2011 21:07, John Carter wrote: I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
John: Don't let weisenheimers scare you away. Most of us appreciate thoughtful contributions; of which, yours was one. :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* jcar...@impactbuscon.com *To:* 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 4/6/2011 1:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re:PICKSystems Administratorposition I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Funny as heck. I started writing up a few brief notes on this thread, and immediately Epicor popped up as an Adsense advertiser in my margin. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Will you be modifying code, or just adding indexes, cleaning up overflow, that sort of thing? -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com ** Check out scheduled Connect! training courses at http://www.PrecisOnline.com/train.html. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:23 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Epicor All, I'm about to start work optimizing speed on an Epicor system running of top of UniVerse. I've got a good handle on the process; I've done enough with other systems. I'm just wondering if there are any pot holes in the road that any of you good folks might choose to warn me about in advance. -- Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Consulting (718) 762-3884 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Epicor
...which Epicor package? Dataflo? Infoflo/Avante? Manfact? Manage 2000? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:23 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Epicor All, I'm about to start work optimizing speed on an Epicor system running of top of UniVerse. I've got a good handle on the process; I've done enough with other systems. I'm just wondering if there are any pot holes in the road that any of you good folks might choose to warn me about in advance. -- Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Consulting (718) 762-3884 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Epicor
We have an Epicor package (ManFact). We have done substantial enhancements to this (and have broken many an axle on potholes along the way. Any questions, feel free to call me. Barry Rogen PNY Technologies, Inc. Senior Programmer/Analyst (973) 515 - 9700 ext 5327 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.t. roosevelt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:23 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Epicor All, I'm about to start work optimizing speed on an Epicor system running of top of UniVerse. I've got a good handle on the process; I've done enough with other systems. I'm just wondering if there are any pot holes in the road that any of you good folks might choose to warn me about in advance. -- Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Consulting (718) 762-3884 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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What if I make a change to the code in the system according to what the CFO wants and then I get implicated as being an accomplice to fraud. Can I pull my college credits where I failed accounting as being my defense? Is it getting to the point where every change to the system requires a call to a lawyer to check to see if it is ok? Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor We have seen a couple of cases where the CFO has gone to jail for carrying out an illegal action. The CFO gained no financial advantage, whilst the CEO who gained the financial advantage actually never went to jail. In the UK a programmer got into serious trouble when programming who got university places. After exhausting a variety of priority issues such as marks to decide who would get a position, he then made a decision based on skin colour. Programmers are regarded as professional/educated people by the courts and the courts view is that a programmer should no better when programming improper code. (Ignorance is no excuse) If a programmer modifies the code so the CFO does not pay the correct tax, then the court regards the programmer as an accomplice to the crime. The court's view is that a threat of sacking is not an excuse to commit a crime. Bill is right some IT people will be in for a horrific shock as they could be caught up in fraud, privacy issues, spam and other areas and most have not considered their legal implications. Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 5:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Don: There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's indiscriminate business requirements. For those of us who think it is our role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Our resident Bean Counters have asked for and received several tools from me that will allow them to do the same thing to our system. It's our job to provide the sharp knives, the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove appendages with said tools. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Is it getting to the point where every change to the system requires a call to a lawyer to check to see if it is ok? Yes ! or atleast it seems that way here. We've gone from complete freedom to no changes without the appropriate documentation and approval overnight. All changes must be user requested. Even if I know there is a bug, I can't just go quick fix it. I have to actually go out to a user and ask them to request it to their boss who makes the entry in PRC. The helpdesk elevates it to IT/Development director, then it can be fixed. In turn if it's a major issue where the AR is getting botched up daily, it could take a while to get to it, in turn making the problem worse. Then prove that the changes were made and approved before making it into production. On top of it all auditing every other month to make sure this protocal is followed to the T. And it's just starting here. It all comes down to placing the blame and covering each ones bum from a law suit. The whole process stinks, but is for our own good in the long run. Especially in the world where people will cook the books and point there finger at you. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2]: Epicor
Let's move this to U2-Community. You may subscribe to U2-Community, send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Place the following line by itself in the body of the mail: subscribe u2-community More info: http://u2ug.org/index.php?module=ContentExpressfunc=displaybtitle=CEmid=ceid=12 - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Again this message does not say *how* to move the discussion to u2-community. Can not we have a standard message that describes how to do this? I feel like a broken record. Will -Original Message- From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:23:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Let's move this to U2-Community. You may subscribe to U2-Community, send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Place the following line by itself in the body of the mail: subscribe u2-community More info: http://u2ug.org/index.php?module=ContentExpressfunc=displaybtitle=CEmid=ceid=12 - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Just something to remember, when the accountants get *nailed* during an audit, they are going to say: but I.T. let us do it. THEY should have made sure the data was OK! And THEY should have made sure there was an audit trail Been there, done that. Bean counters *can* be a backstabbing bunch. Fortunately, I kept all the original requests for mods, and I DID keep an audit trail unknown to the accountants. THEY lost THEIR job when I produced the audit trail and request for mods - absence of any mention of an audit trail, and I KEPT mine :-) Note that the above is not designed to besmirch the reputation of, nor the general character of bean counters. It is simply an observation that in all groups you have your winners and your weasels. And they look exactly the same in a suit and tie. So honor their requests, but CYA!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 09:15 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Our resident Bean Counters have asked for and received several tools from me that will allow them to do the same thing to our system. It's our job to provide the sharp knives, the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove appendages with said tools. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Don: There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's indiscriminate business requirements. For those of us who think it is our role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Our resident Bean Counters have asked for and received several tools from me that will allow them to do the same thing to our system. It's our job to provide the sharp knives, the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove appendages with said tools. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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My code has comments that don't always relate to the code. And I should probably step up the documentation to include the specific request itself. Or devise a more formal methad as Mr. Ellwood has done. But, where I work we are all at will employees. Fired at will or walk at will either way. I'm not too worried about loosing a job over some code changes that were misused. And I don't think that jail time is going to happen for a coder who makes a change that a CPA abuses. I should also point out that I have the benefit(!?!?) of working for a partnership that is not (yet) required to meet the SOX regulations. On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:59:34 -0800, Bill H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don: There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's indiscriminate business requirements. For those of us who think it is our role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Our resident Bean Counters have asked for and received several tools from me that will allow them to do the same thing to our system. It's our job to provide the sharp knives, the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove appendages with said tools. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Now who ever said you were allowed to export, massage, and then reimport with no validation? H...sounds like something I would like to have DONE to me.. -- Debster -- Original message -- Now here's something that I can give an opinion on without obvious bias. I fail to see the benefit of a feature that allows you to easily circumvent you ERP systems data input process. To easily allow users to export ERP data to a spreadsheet...massage the data...then re-import that data back into the database has at least two obvious problems to me. First, data integrity becomes marginal at best. Second, what is wrong with the ERP input process that requires the data to be changed by another outside process? Epicor does have apps that integrate back to the ERP database, but the data is run through the input processes as part of that integration. Users are advised that doing updates outside of these processes are done so at their own peril. I don't know about ISO compliance, but easy outside input to the database is frowned upon by the FDA, SEC, and SOX auditors. David Litzau Epicor Technical Support J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Marc: It is possible that this sort of data movement is precisely the reason financial information, at numerous companies, is difficult to attest to, let alone use for analysis. :-) When I see this benefit (capability), red flags go up all over the place. It's like giving a gun to children...most will be ok but someone __WILL__ get hurt. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:41 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Being a Manage-2000 client, and having been an Oracle client in the past (10.x) and having seen a JD demo I must say of the t1 suppliers, they did put on a nice show. (They could export directly to excel, change data, and re import the data back into the erp) :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lettau, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:55 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor So maybe Advante, Dataflo, infoflo, M2K and the like are not tier 1 multi-million dollar installs. But for ease of use and the ability to tweak the system to meet your needs. I'll take the tier 2 any day. Not intending to start an argument, but what can SAP or JD Edwards do that the smaller Epicor products can't do? What makes them worth the added cost? I don't' buy into that they can handle more users. That is mostly a matter of database management, hardware and infrastructure. You also have to consider who is buying what system and what their intensions are. What do you really get out of a standard SAP or JD Edwards install that you can't get from any system provided by Epicor or similar smaller priced package? I'm not being rhetorical.(again spell checker saves the day, I didn't know a word could start with rh.) P.s. you can get the Monitor Series at a Circuit city store or other high end audio stores near you! You can't seriously expect me to send you something for free! I can't get stuff for free. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debster Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:50 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was sold back out again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-) When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like
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sigh Why is it us against them? as in IT vs the Bean counters? Duh...that is where I always had my greatest problems as a project manager..getting IT and financial to play nice in the same sandbox. I hate to say it, but IT was always the worse of the two warring factions in this regard. YOU ALL WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY An export tool has been used (and sometimes abused) for over 20 some odd years now. Accounting wants pivot tables etc...they can create presentations, they reformat and consolidate, and sometimes it is the only way to get consolidated financials from disparate systems. If you had no idea why or if Accounting ever wanted spreadsheets, ask..if you think they don't...you've been living under a rock -- Debster -- Original message -- Don: There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's indiscriminate business requirements. For those of us who think it is our role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Our resident Bean Counters have asked for and received several tools from me that will allow them to do the same thing to our system. It's our job to provide the sharp knives, the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove appendages with said tools. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
The system that I had setup, allowed accountants to change any field on an invoice. Believe it or not, that was the request. What they didn't know was that I kept a simple before change/change request/after change snapshot of the data along with date/time/logon as I had been warned about by a wise professor back in my school days (daze?). What I didn't know, was that they were changing the dates and invoice numbers on the invoices to make them look as if they were only 30-60 days old. This was to make the receivables look current, and therefore the company could leverage that to borrow money from Wells Fargo for purchase of more product to sell. The auditors from AA were very savvy and spotted the same invoice amount with different dates and different invoice numbers on printed aging reports kept for historical purposes. When they asked me about how that could happen, I produced the audit report. The accountants were charged with FRAUD at Wells Fargo's request and were tried and sent to jail! This was in the 80's. Way way before SOX. The first thing the accountants did was point the finger at me. That's why the auditors came to me along with the CEO with the intention of nailing me. Had I not been a paranoid programmer, I might have ended up in jail. The accountants thought I was a patsy, and got lots of time to think about that for 5 years. At the time, I worked for the accounting department. So I literally was protecting my career from my boss who was a fool of the highest magnitude and whom had drastically underestimated my abilities as a business analyst and programmer. Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:06 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor My code has comments that don't always relate to the code. And I should probably step up the documentation to include the specific request itself. Or devise a more formal methad as Mr. Ellwood has done. But, where I work we are all at will employees. Fired at will or walk at will either way. I'm not too worried about loosing a job over some code changes that were misused. And I don't think that jail time is going to happen for a coder who makes a change that a CPA abuses. I should also point out that I have the benefit(!?!?) of working for a partnership that is not (yet) required to meet the SOX regulations. On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:59:34 -0800, Bill H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don: There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's indiscriminate business requirements. For those of us who think it is our role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Our resident Bean Counters have asked for and received several tools from me that will allow them to do the same thing to our system. It's our job to provide the sharp knives, the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove appendages with said tools. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2]: Epicor
Mostly true. But how many systems are being chosen by the beancounters because they're standard? Not because it helps to improve sales, manufacturing or operations, just accounting functions? And then sales/manufacturing/operations has to adopt to the new, improved system? If SAP and/or Oracle/Peoplesoft is that great, why are any other packages being bought? Rog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it us against them? as in IT vs the Bean counters? Duh...that is where I always had my greatest problems as a project manager..getting IT and financial to play nice in the same sandbox. I hate to say it, but IT was always the worse of the two warring factions in this regard. YOU ALL WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY An export tool has been used (and sometimes abused) for over 20 some odd years now. Accounting wants pivot tables etc...they can create presentations, they reformat and consolidate, and sometimes it is the only way to get consolidated financials from disparate systems. If you had no idea why or if Accounting ever wanted spreadsheets, ask..if you think they don't...you've been living under a rock -- Debster --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2]: Epicor
It all boils down to Education and teams working together. If the powers that be see that IT does not cooperate then you get left out of the picture only to complain that decisions were made for you. Smart CFO's don't want to shell out for more than they have to, and that includes having to replace all the labor in IT because no one has the skill set to support their purchase. That happens when you have not proven any value to the overall progress of the company. They want results and they want them fast as possible with as little interruption to the business flow. Savvy companies now recognize IT's value and no longer consider it simply as a service department for the company. That accurate data is priceless -- Debster -- Original message -- Mostly true. But how many systems are being chosen by the beancounters because they're standard? Not because it helps to improve sales, manufacturing or operations, just accounting functions? And then sales/manufacturing/operations has to adopt to the new, improved system? If SAP and/or Oracle/Peoplesoft is that great, why are any other packages being bought? Rog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it us against them? as in IT vs the Bean counters? Duh...that is where I always had my greatest problems as a project manager..getting IT and financial to play nice in the same sandbox. I hate to say it, but IT was always the worse of the two warring factions in this regard. YOU ALL WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY An export tool has been used (and sometimes abused) for over 20 some odd years now. Accounting wants pivot tables etc...they can create presentations, they reformat and consolidate, and sometimes it is the only way to get consolidated financials from disparate systems. If you had no idea why or if Accounting ever wanted spreadsheets, ask..if you think they don't...you've been living under a rock -- Debster --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
We have seen a couple of cases where the CFO has gone to jail for carrying out an illegal action. The CFO gained no financial advantage, whilst the CEO who gained the financial advantage actually never went to jail. In the UK a programmer got into serious trouble when programming who got university places. After exhausting a variety of priority issues such as marks to decide who would get a position, he then made a decision based on skin colour. Programmers are regarded as professional/educated people by the courts and the courts view is that a programmer should no better when programming improper code. (Ignorance is no excuse) If a programmer modifies the code so the CFO does not pay the correct tax, then the court regards the programmer as an accomplice to the crime. The court's view is that a threat of sacking is not an excuse to commit a crime. Bill is right some IT people will be in for a horrific shock as they could be caught up in fraud, privacy issues, spam and other areas and most have not considered their legal implications. Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 5:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Don: There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's indiscriminate business requirements. For those of us who think it is our role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Our resident Bean Counters have asked for and received several tools from me that will allow them to do the same thing to our system. It's our job to provide the sharp knives, the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove appendages with said tools. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Shouldn't this be on community by now? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: 17 March 2005 05:15 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor We have seen a couple of cases where the CFO has gone to jail for carrying out an illegal action. The CFO gained no financial advantage, whilst the CEO who gained the financial advantage actually never went to jail. In the UK a programmer got into serious trouble when programming who got university places. After exhausting a variety of priority issues such as marks to decide who would get a position, he then made a decision based on skin colour. Programmers are regarded as professional/educated people by the courts and the courts view is that a programmer should no better when programming improper code. (Ignorance is no excuse) If a programmer modifies the code so the CFO does not pay the correct tax, then the court regards the programmer as an accomplice to the crime. The court's view is that a threat of sacking is not an excuse to commit a crime. Bill is right some IT people will be in for a horrific shock as they could be caught up in fraud, privacy issues, spam and other areas and most have not considered their legal implications. Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 5:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Don: There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's indiscriminate business requirements. For those of us who think it is our role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Our resident Bean Counters have asked for and received several tools from me that will allow them to do the same thing to our system. It's our job to provide the sharp knives, the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove appendages with said tools. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ The information contained in this email is strictly confidential and for the use of the addressee only, unless otherwise indicated. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose to others this message or any attachment. Please also notify the sender by replying to this email or by telephone +44 (0)20 7896 0011 and then delete the email and any copies of it. Opinions, conclusions (etc.) that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. IG Markets Limited and IG Index Plc are authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority and, in Australia, by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Me too. But that was a millions of lines of code ago. Totally different animal today. It didn't even do windows back then! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 21:50 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was sold back out again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-) When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
So maybe Advante, Dataflo, infoflo, M2K and the like are not tier 1 multi-million dollar installs. But for ease of use and the ability to tweak the system to meet your needs. I'll take the tier 2 any day. Not intending to start an argument, but what can SAP or JD Edwards do that the smaller Epicor products can't do? What makes them worth the added cost? I don't' buy into that they can handle more users. That is mostly a matter of database management, hardware and infrastructure. You also have to consider who is buying what system and what their intensions are. What do you really get out of a standard SAP or JD Edwards install that you can't get from any system provided by Epicor or similar smaller priced package? I'm not being rhetorical.(again spell checker saves the day, I didn't know a word could start with rh.) P.s. you can get the Monitor Series at a Circuit city store or other high end audio stores near you! You can't seriously expect me to send you something for free! I can't get stuff for free. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debster Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:50 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was sold back out again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-) When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Now she eats XML like candy. :-) and uses buzz words like Dot Net -m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:46 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Me too. But that was a millions of lines of code ago. Totally different animal today. It didn't even do windows back then! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 21:50 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was sold back out again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-) When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Being a Manage-2000 client, and having been an Oracle client in the past (10.x) and having seen a JD demo I must say of the t1 suppliers, they did put on a nice show. (They could export directly to excel, change data, and re import the data back into the erp) :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lettau, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:55 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor So maybe Advante, Dataflo, infoflo, M2K and the like are not tier 1 multi-million dollar installs. But for ease of use and the ability to tweak the system to meet your needs. I'll take the tier 2 any day. Not intending to start an argument, but what can SAP or JD Edwards do that the smaller Epicor products can't do? What makes them worth the added cost? I don't' buy into that they can handle more users. That is mostly a matter of database management, hardware and infrastructure. You also have to consider who is buying what system and what their intensions are. What do you really get out of a standard SAP or JD Edwards install that you can't get from any system provided by Epicor or similar smaller priced package? I'm not being rhetorical.(again spell checker saves the day, I didn't know a word could start with rh.) P.s. you can get the Monitor Series at a Circuit city store or other high end audio stores near you! You can't seriously expect me to send you something for free! I can't get stuff for free. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debster Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:50 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was sold back out again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-) When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Deb, Sometimes the client actually does know best when administering their system controls Actually I couldn't agree with you more, especially about PRC Lite. It was early days and even then I didn't completely agree with the philosophy. On the more recent versions of Avante and PRC things got better. I can respond more in detail privately (I have Powerpoint presentations and stuff) or take this to the Avante newsgroup - But I wanted to state here that there are probably things that you/we can do (within PRC and procedurally) to ease your situation. I would love to hear specifically what the more open source control tools could do for you because I'm always interested in making PRC work the best for its users. I suspect that ANYTHING would be more open than PRC Lite. But I am always keen to hear ideas for improvement - or help iron out a difficult situation. For folks who have developer seats of the newer (Rel 5) PRC, there are a few things that people don't tend to do (to know about) which can have a huge impact on the amount of time it takes to install patches and releases. In your case specifically, Deb, it sounds like you are on an older release of Avante and PRC and it may be that you are caught there . Although with a little careful handling we can arrange it so that you can upgrade to a developer seat of the newer PRC without upgrading Avante. Then you could put some procedures in place that might ease things up quite a bit. I reckon there are always happy and not-so-happy customers of any product, particularly software. That is why its good to have this forum to air those. Let us hope that Epicor are watching keenly as well. Chers, Susan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [] On Behalf Of Debster Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:50 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Sorry Susan Your baby ain't butt ugly but no mother thinks her baby has flaws... But -- I've worked on alot of packages, and yes even extensive tier 1 packages that are well out of price points for some. Yes with Avante there are alot of bells and whistles, but ofttimes when trying to be all things to all manufacturing markets you miss the mark by being too convoluted to use effectively without customizing it to meet the individual company needs and throwing out a good portion that you paid for. Remember KISS? Sometimes simple is better, or something geared toward more specific target market, ala flavors like we are all familar with. Problems do arise with Avante and trying to administer the patches without total disruption. The location I am at was virtually shut down for more than just a day or two due to patches in the past. Even when initially bringing the system up, they were shut down due to screw ups by Epicor tech reps in regards to system set up functions. I know its your baby, but I loathe the fact that you are forced to utilize PRC. Granted my current location runs the light version along with the fact that there are few software version control systems available for the U2 market, but I have utilized more open home grown systems that provided better ease of use while providing just as much or a higher level of control and deployment functions. Sometimes the client actually does know best when administering their system controls. Even though there may be many happy as a clam Avante users, and you see those in attendance at user meetings, but what percentage does that represent of the actual number of end-users? Pissed off customers rarely attend those functions unless it's to sit at the back of the room and heckle. Someone asked for an opinion from users, and I gave it from my 15+ years in manufacturing as a resource... Sorry --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Marc: It is possible that this sort of data movement is precisely the reason financial information, at numerous companies, is difficult to attest to, let alone use for analysis. :-) When I see this benefit (capability), red flags go up all over the place. It's like giving a gun to children...most will be ok but someone __WILL__ get hurt. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:41 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Being a Manage-2000 client, and having been an Oracle client in the past (10.x) and having seen a JD demo I must say of the t1 suppliers, they did put on a nice show. (They could export directly to excel, change data, and re import the data back into the erp) :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lettau, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:55 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor So maybe Advante, Dataflo, infoflo, M2K and the like are not tier 1 multi-million dollar installs. But for ease of use and the ability to tweak the system to meet your needs. I'll take the tier 2 any day. Not intending to start an argument, but what can SAP or JD Edwards do that the smaller Epicor products can't do? What makes them worth the added cost? I don't' buy into that they can handle more users. That is mostly a matter of database management, hardware and infrastructure. You also have to consider who is buying what system and what their intensions are. What do you really get out of a standard SAP or JD Edwards install that you can't get from any system provided by Epicor or similar smaller priced package? I'm not being rhetorical.(again spell checker saves the day, I didn't know a word could start with rh.) P.s. you can get the Monitor Series at a Circuit city store or other high end audio stores near you! You can't seriously expect me to send you something for free! I can't get stuff for free. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debster Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:50 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was sold back out again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-) When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Sorry Will, I'm in the UK and work a different time zone as such. But I see Martin has posted, so that should cover most requirements. Robert Paterson Technology Support Manager www.epicor.com Tel.: +44 (1344) 468231 Cell: +44 (7799) 348513 Fax: +44 (1344) 468050 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 The Arena, Downshire Way, Bracknell, Berks, UK, RG12 1PU This e-mail is for the use of the intended recipient(s) only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 March 2005 17:58 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Susan steps in, ugly baby on her hip Wow -- that wasn't a very strong endorsement of Epicor as a product. And I am surprised. I go to their user meetings all over the US and Europe and I have to say that there are a lot of really, really happy Avanti, Manfact and Dataflo customers around the world.I'm sure it has flaws and bugs -- I haven't met a perfect software application yet. But many people tell me that it has flexibility and functionality for many types of manufacturing and general ERP business applications that is far beyond what else is out there in the price range. But the part of this that brought me into this foray is the bit about how difficult patch releases are. This is something that I've been very involved with at Epicor. (PRC is the tool used internally and at customer site to manage the software configuration and the patches and releases.) Now granted, they don't do exactly the way I'd like them to. But they are a big company and for some silly reason they won't let me run it! Even so, I guess if they issue bug-fix documents and patch releases too frequently I can understand feeling overwhelmed. But let's face it, its a lot of software and the fact that they are working hard to keep it current is a good thing -- isn't it? One of the hallmarks of the success of the Avanti product has been Epicor's commitment to accommodating customization. To that end they have created a system for tracking, delivering and reintegrating what can be constant change. I heard recently that the ability to stay on current releases of Avanti and customize to your hearts content is well above industry standards. Most of the time you have to choose. Now -- there are some things that Avanti customers can do on their side that will help manage the constant influx of change. Things that many companies don't bother to do until the integration effort becomes cumbersome and then they may not realize how a few simple changes in procedure in-house could have a huge impact. I would be happy to elaborate on these simple changes but won't use list bandwidth on it. But get to me privately if I can help. I couldn't help but hop in, partly in defense of Epicor. Some good folks over there working hard to provide good solutions. But its more personal, too -- you may not have realized that you called my baby ugly. :) Susan Joslyn SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc. PRC (r) Real software configuration management for U2 development. Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:48:35 -0500 From: Debster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor The Avante package I am working on uses UV. They seem to have Technical Bulletins on almost a bi-weekly basis of bugs within the system. The patches are a bear to install if there is even the normal end-user amount of customization on the existing system and a nightmare if it's extensive. Most of these bugs you find fixing well before the patch arrives if it's in an area that you utilize. There appears to be little to no respect for how Epicor handles support. Trying to gestimate learning curve for an individual is hard. What shortens the timeframe is the same for any package/tool. Just how familiar are you with the outside factors such as a extensive understanding of manufacturing business process flow and if you have ever utilized SB+ before. If you are unfamiliar with either than it of course extends the learning curve. I have seen both sides of the coin with other consultants at my current contract, one had extensive expertise in SB+ and very little Basic or manufacturing. The end result in his contribution was use of SB+ tools that were not utilized anywhere else within the Avante system, spaghetti in regards to the manufacturing functions, and misuse of SB+ tools where Basic was more appropriate. [Not even the illustrious SB+ guru Kevin King did that as he passed through their doors] On the other side, yet another consultant was unable to conform to the use of SB+ when appropriate. In other words, when enhancing, by conforming to the rest of the system it creates a better flow and less problems, it also strengthens your understanding of the system. I found Avante's extensive use of SB+ tools the biggest hurdle since other systems I had used it on primarily utilized it for forms and report design leaving the majority of processes to be written more in Basic. That is not the case with Avante, there is extensive use of paragraphs. I find this more cumbersome, more system use intensive with poor use causing gross inefficiencies. If you use debugger a lot to troubleshoot as I had in the past, it becomes a nightmare. You wind up using trace and display functions instead at various points to view what is actually occurring. Making sure you don't step on yourself as you pass through multiple paragraphs, screens to basic and back to the original screen depends on file use and preserving the work files utilized. Best bet when customizing Avante is to not screw too much
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Three years ago, I did an Epicor Avante roll-out. Then, Avante ran on UniData and UniVerse, NT and Unix; I expect that it still does. It was a 400-person, annual sales $30 million UK battery comany, Hawker Eternacell, Inc., [part of www.Invensys.com] that was acquired by it's French rival, SAFT. SAFT moved the work from New Jersey to North Carolina. SAFT runs QAD there. After an in-depth review, we at Hawker settled on Avante. Other contenders [in descending order] were QAD, Glovia, Visual Mfg, Baan, and Fourth Shift. We did a big feature comparison matrix and had day-long demos from Epicor, QAD, Glovia, and Visual. The Avante installation was a major victory. Executives and end-users were rather happy with Avante and happy with Epicor. Feel free to contact me for further info... Regards, Bill Brutzman, Mgr IT HK MetalCraft Mfg Corp PO Box 775 35 Industrial Road Lodi NJ 07644-0775 973.471.7770 x145 973.471.9666 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hkMetalCraft.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Brutzman, Bill.vcf] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
I can't stand it -- I have to correct. I know that Epicor's U2 product is Avante with an accent over the 'e'. My word processor knows to fix the spelling and include the accent-e. Whatever filters text for post changed e/accent to an 'i'. Makes me look foolish furiously defending a product if I don't know its name, doesn't it? Avante(accent). :) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-) When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
While I suppose that is true that Avante is not Tier One, Avante runs in some rather large organizations... perhaps 1000 users. Avante has quite a lot of features and functionality. I never considered Jeter to be a heavy-weight. Thus, a more meaningful analogy would be... a luxury van to a luxury bus. Let's go Mets. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was sold back out again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-) When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Lemme hope that a former HK employee turned Avante rep now no longer with either company wasn't involved in the roll-out ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:56 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor While I suppose that is true that Avante is not Tier One, Avante runs in some rather large organizations... perhaps 1000 users. Avante has quite a lot of features and functionality. I never considered Jeter to be a heavy-weight. Thus, a more meaningful analogy would be... a luxury van to a luxury bus. Let's go Mets. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Sorry Susan Your baby ain't butt ugly but no mother thinks her baby has flaws... But -- I've worked on alot of packages, and yes even extensive tier 1 packages that are well out of price points for some. Yes with Avante there are alot of bells and whistles, but ofttimes when trying to be all things to all manufacturing markets you miss the mark by being too convoluted to use effectively without customizing it to meet the individual company needs and throwing out a good portion that you paid for. Remember KISS? Sometimes simple is better, or something geared toward more specific target market, ala flavors like we are all familar with. Problems do arise with Avante and trying to administer the patches without total disruption. The location I am at was virtually shut down for more than just a day or two due to patches in the past. Even when initially bringing the system up, they were shut down due to screw ups by Epicor tech reps in regards to system set up functions. I know its your baby, but I loathe the fact that you are forced to utilize PRC. Granted my current location runs the light version along with the fact that there are few software version control systems available for the U2 market, but I have utilized more open home grown systems that provided better ease of use while providing just as much or a higher level of control and deployment functions. Sometimes the client actually does know best when administering their system controls. Even though there may be many happy as a clam Avante users, and you see those in attendance at user meetings, but what percentage does that represent of the actual number of end-users? Pissed off customers rarely attend those functions unless it's to sit at the back of the room and heckle. Someone asked for an opinion from users, and I gave it from my 15+ years in manufacturing as a resource... Sorry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Susan steps in, ugly baby on her hip Wow -- that wasn't a very strong endorsement of Epicor as a product. And I am surprised. I go to their user meetings all over the US and Europe and I have to say that there are a lot of really, really happy Avanti, Manfact and Dataflo customers around the world.I'm sure it has flaws and bugs -- I haven't met a perfect software application yet. But many people tell me that it has flexibility and functionality for many types of manufacturing and general ERP business applications that is far beyond what else is out there in the price range. But the part of this that brought me into this foray is the bit about how difficult patch releases are. This is something that I've been very involved with at Epicor. (PRC is the tool used internally and at customer site to manage the software configuration and the patches and releases.) Now granted, they don't do exactly the way I'd like them to. But they are a big company and for some silly reason they won't let me run it! Even so, I guess if they issue bug-fix documents and patch releases too frequently I can understand feeling overwhelmed. But let's face it, its a lot of software and the fact that they are working hard to keep it current is a good thing -- isn't it? One of the hallmarks of the success of the Avanti product has been Epicor's commitment to accommodating customization. To that end they have created a system for tracking, delivering and reintegrating what can be constant change. I heard recently that the ability to stay on current releases of Avanti and customize to your hearts content is well above industry standards. Most of the time you have to choose. Now -- there are some things that Avanti customers can do on their side that will help manage the constant influx of change. Things that many companies don't bother to do until the integration effort becomes cumbersome and then they may not realize how a few simple changes in procedure in-house could have a huge impact. I would be happy to elaborate on these simple changes but won't use list bandwidth on it. But get to me privately if I can help. I couldn't help but hop in, partly in defense of Epicor. Some good folks over there working hard to provide good solutions. But its more personal, too -- you may not have realized that you called my baby ugly. :) Susan Joslyn SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc. PRC (r) Real software configuration management for U2 development. Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:48:35 -0500 From: Debster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor The Avante package I am working on uses UV. They seem to have Technical Bulletins on almost a bi-weekly basis of bugs within the system. The patches are a bear to install if there is even the normal end-user amount of customization on the existing system and a nightmare if it's extensive. Most of these bugs you find fixing well before
RE: [U2]: Epicor
and I'm at one of the largest installs... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:56 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor While I suppose that is true that Avante is not Tier One, Avante runs in some rather large organizations... perhaps 1000 users. Avante has quite a lot of features and functionality. I never considered Jeter to be a heavy-weight. Thus, a more meaningful analogy would be... a luxury van to a luxury bus. Let's go Mets. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
...also forgot Dataflo (DataWorks) and Manfact, both use U2. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Debster Sent: Sat 3/12/2005 3:38 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor You forgot Avante -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Hi Will, You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000 is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for M2K. His exact words:I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for m2k folk used to an mrp engine. (Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k) If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in programming/consulting for that product. It's a very big system. Over 800 menus! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 17:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
The Avante package I am working on uses UV. They seem to have Technical Bulletins on almost a bi-weekly basis of bugs within the system. The patches are a bear to install if there is even the normal end-user amount of customization on the existing system and a nightmare if it's extensive. Most of these bugs you find fixing well before the patch arrives if it's in an area that you utilize. There appears to be little to no respect for how Epicor handles support. Trying to gestimate learning curve for an individual is hard. What shortens the timeframe is the same for any package/tool. Just how familiar are you with the outside factors such as a extensive understanding of manufacturing business process flow and if you have ever utilized SB+ before. If you are unfamiliar with either than it of course extends the learning curve. I have seen both sides of the coin with other consultants at my current contract, one had extensive expertise in SB+ and very little Basic or manufacturing. The end result in his contribution was use of SB+ tools that were not utilized anywhere else within the Avante system, spaghetti in regards to the manufacturing functions, and misuse of SB+ tools where Basic was more appropriate. [Not even the illustrious SB+ guru Kevin King did that as he passed through their doors] On the other side, yet another consultant was unable to conform to the use of SB+ when appropriate. In other words, when enhancing, by conforming to the rest of the system it creates a better flow and less problems, it also strengthens your understanding of the system. I found Avante's extensive use of SB+ tools the biggest hurdle since other systems I had used it on primarily utilized it for forms and report design leaving the majority of processes to be written more in Basic. That is not the case with Avante, there is extensive use of paragraphs. I find this more cumbersome, more system use intensive with poor use causing gross inefficiencies. If you use debugger a lot to troubleshoot as I had in the past, it becomes a nightmare. You wind up using trace and display functions instead at various points to view what is actually occurring. Making sure you don't step on yourself as you pass through multiple paragraphs, screens to basic and back to the original screen depends on file use and preserving the work files utilized. Best bet when customizing Avante is to not screw too much with the core files, but instead utilize fields so far out, or adding additional user files that the potential for Avante stepping on them is eliminated. Would I choose it as a package? No, I think there are far better choices out there that are far more manageable in terms of both support and ease of customization. But that is just my .02 Debster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Hi Will, You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000 is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for M2K. His exact words:I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for m2k folk used to an mrp engine. (Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k) If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in programming/consulting for that product. It's a very big system. Over 800 menus! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 17:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
I meant to only send this to debster. But I forgot to change the address. I didn't mean to air dirty laundry in public. Doh.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 15:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I know they have several products, but have very little interest in them since I have so much experience in M2K. So, um Avante uses U2 or UV? I wonder if that's the glorified jobshop that my friend alluded to? All I know is that they bought ROI Systems in 07/03 and all the old timer ROI employees *HATE* working for them and have or are getting ready to jump ship...they say I'm the lucky one since I got laid off and got a compensation package, whereas they have had to put up with the huge corporate treatment of 'programmers as worker bees' mentality and are now quitting and receiving no package. I was a work-from-home 1,200 miles away from the office and was temporarily disabled with an elbow injury so severe that the doctors almost amputated. So when Epicor acquired ROI, I got the golden boot to the rear. Almost sued under the ADA, but I had an empty bank account and had to take the compensation package or risk loosing my house. :-0 !!! But that's ok, as Ann Landers used to say 'time wounds all heals'. ;-) *=aee=* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 13:38 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor You forgot Avante -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Hi Will, You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000 is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for M2K. His exact words:I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for m2k folk used to an mrp engine. (Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k) If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in programming/consulting for that product. It's a very big system. Over 800 menus! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 17:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Don't feel bad...every person on this list has some dirty laundry. It's amazing how many of us have rode the economic roller coaster from such heights to such lows. Makes me wonder, is there any other profession that has such extremes? A garbage man isn't subjected to corporate takeover woes or such extremes in monetary compensation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:05 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I meant to only send this to debster. But I forgot to change the address. I didn't mean to air dirty laundry in public. Doh.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 15:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I know they have several products, but have very little interest in them since I have so much experience in M2K. So, um Avante uses U2 or UV? I wonder if that's the glorified jobshop that my friend alluded to? All I know is that they bought ROI Systems in 07/03 and all the old timer ROI employees *HATE* working for them and have or are getting ready to jump ship...they say I'm the lucky one since I got laid off and got a compensation package, whereas they have had to put up with the huge corporate treatment of 'programmers as worker bees' mentality and are now quitting and receiving no package. I was a work-from-home 1,200 miles away from the office and was temporarily disabled with an elbow injury so severe that the doctors almost amputated. So when Epicor acquired ROI, I got the golden boot to the rear. Almost sued under the ADA, but I had an empty bank account and had to take the compensation package or risk loosing my house. :-0 !!! But that's ok, as Ann Landers used to say 'time wounds all heals'. ;-) *=aee=* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 13:38 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor You forgot Avante -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Hi Will, You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000 is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for M2K. His exact words:I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for m2k folk used to an mrp engine. (Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k) If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in programming/consulting for that product. It's a very big system. Over 800 menus! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 17:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2]: Epicor
Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
FYI FYI I want it to be understood that Kevin King was not the spaghetti man I mentioned earlier..I will not name that person. I only mentioned Kevin in the respect that given the fact that he is a published Grand Poobah of SB+ that you would expect more fancy schmanchy zing bang boom SB+ tricks. But apparently his wisdom of knowing when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em was far greater than spaghetti man who thought, hey its like Prego...its in there and I'm gonna use it even if it is the wrong sauce... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Hi Will, You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000 is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for M2K. His exact words:I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for m2k folk used to an mrp engine. (Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k) If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in programming/consulting for that product. It's a very big system. Over 800 menus! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 17:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
You forgot Avante -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Hi Will, You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000 is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for M2K. His exact words:I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for m2k folk used to an mrp engine. (Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k) If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in programming/consulting for that product. It's a very big system. Over 800 menus! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 17:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
I've been a DataFlo customer, an Epicor Avante ERP consultant, And now a independent Avante ERP consultant. I'd be happy to answer or forward any questions John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation 16496 Bernardo Center Drive, Suite 304 San Diego, California 92128 (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 5:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
I know they have several products, but have very little interest in them since I have so much experience in M2K. So, um Avante uses U2 or UV? I wonder if that's the glorified jobshop that my friend alluded to? All I know is that they bought ROI Systems in 07/03 and all the old timer ROI employees *HATE* working for them and have or are getting ready to jump ship...they say I'm the lucky one since I got laid off and got a compensation package, whereas they have had to put up with the huge corporate treatment of 'programmers as worker bees' mentality and are now quitting and receiving no package. I was a work-from-home 1,200 miles away from the office and was temporarily disabled with an elbow injury so severe that the doctors almost amputated. So when Epicor acquired ROI, I got the golden boot to the rear. Almost sued under the ADA, but I had an empty bank account and had to take the compensation package or risk loosing my house. :-0 !!! But that's ok, as Ann Landers used to say 'time wounds all heals'. ;-) *=aee=* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 13:38 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor You forgot Avante -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Hi Will, You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000 is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for M2K. His exact words:I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for m2k folk used to an mrp engine. (Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k) If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in programming/consulting for that product. It's a very big system. Over 800 menus! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 17:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Here Here -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? Here's another one. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
