Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Joyce Westphal]

I have to see if it works first. It may not, may be too soft.  We throw lots of 
bags away and if it works I can send some. 

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> On Nov 29, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Allan Fish <afi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/29/16 1:45 PM, Joyce Westphal wrote:
>> I am going to experiment with them cut from the plastic of Baxter IV bag 
>> material as well.
> But where would I get Baxter IV bag material?
> 
> 
> 
> Several places on ebay sell silicone sheets.  NOT cheap.
> 
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Joyce Westphal]

No problem, no foul. I am just a cheapy. I am going to experiment with them cut 
from the plastic of Baxter IV bag material as well. Christmas orders must be 
finished first. Joyce

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> On Nov 29, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Apologies, I didn't mean for it to come out poorly, I meant no disrespect.  
> Only wanted to see if we were speaking of the same thing is all.  
> 
> I've used hopper legs from River Roads and have had great success with them, 
> when tied as hopper legs.  I think I'll give it a try for tying in foam, 
> short, to make nymph legs from them.  I'm always open to new ideas and I 
> admit I never would have thought of that had you not mentioned it.  
> 
> Ever learning, with plenty more yet to learn,
> -Pete
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Joyce Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just cut them to my liking. My fish do not seem to care. This is not to 
>> say that your lively legs may not work better. Joyce
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all 
>>> due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types? 
>>>  http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> -Pete
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August, 
>>>> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream 
>>>> for me. Joyce
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the 
>>>>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in 
>>>>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking, 
>>>>>> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for 
>>>>>> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material. 
>>>>>> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5 
>>>>>> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work 
>>>>>> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin 
>>>>>> Skin.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Joyce,
>>>>>>> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where 
>>>>>>> do you get the sheets?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg 
>>>>>>>> cutters that work extremely well here. 
>>>>>>>> http://riverroadcreations.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>>>>>>>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color, 
>>>>>>>> touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them 
>>>>>>>> from Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to 
>>>>>>>> add a bit more action in this form than simple knotted legs. 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic 
>>>>>>>>> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts 
>>>>>>>>> out as nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock 
>>>>>>>

Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Joyce Westphal]

I just cut them to my liking. My fish do not seem to care. This is not to say 
that your lively legs may not work better. Joyce

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> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
> 
> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all due 
> respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?  
> http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
> Respectfully,
> -Pete
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal  wrote:
>> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August, 
>> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream for 
>> me. Joyce
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss  wrote:
>>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the 
>>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in 
>>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal  
 wrote:
 I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking, 
 usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for 
 the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material. 
 This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5 
 dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work 
 after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.
 
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss  
> wrote:
> Joyce,
> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where 
> do you get the sheets?
> 
> Mike
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal  
>> wrote:
>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg cutters 
>> that work extremely well here. 
>> http://riverroadcreations.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color, touched 
>> up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from 
>> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a 
>> bit more action in this form than simple knotted legs. 
>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp  
>>> wrote:
>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic product 
>>> kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out as 
>>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I 
>>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located 
>>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, 
>>> USA, I have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, 
>>> no affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I 
>>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have 
>>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>>> added confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to 
>>> have had a positive impact.
>>> 
>>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly 
>>> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an 
>>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
>>> them up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like 
>>> the results.
>>> 
>>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with 
>>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
>>> are a game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these 
>>> legs almost exclusively.
>>> 
>>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about the 
>>> product,
>>> -Pete
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Re: [VFB] Prayers needed

[Joyce Westphal]

Susan and you are in my prayers. Joyce

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> Dear VFB friends,
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> I am humbly asking for your prayers for my wife Susan.  Saturday morning she 
> suffered an injury to her spinal cord. Not life threatening, just life 
> changing. I can't give many details because the hospital where I work is very 
> strict about HIPPA compliance. One strike and you are out.
> I can say that the  neurosurgeon has offered little hope that she would 
> regain any use of her legs. But as our pastor said earlier today: "God's 
> people are a people of hope."  So we are hoping and praying, and asking the 
> same of friends and family.  
> 
> Gary 
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Re: [VFB] body repair

[Joyce Westphal]

Glad no one was hurt.  I expect if the deer bounced off he was bruised but
OK..this is often the case. Saw one yesterday in the low place by the river
as I went to work..slowed down and dimmed the lights and sure enough,
another one ran across the highway in front of me. If there's one, there's
usually another.  They are beautiful creatures though.  NOw you get to pull
the dents in the side of the van..or perhaps it is more cost effective to
simply replace the dented doors. Joyce


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I just think you guys are doing s great job. More ladies should be that
 talented.
 I have my daughters family visiting. They got here yesterday. Last night
 my Son In Law decided to take the kids to get ice cream. My daughter told
 him to watch for Deer as we have seen a lot of them this year. They left
 and were back in less than five minuets. A deer came out between the house
 next door and our house and ran into the side of their new van. He said the
 deer tumbled but got up and jumped the fence and ran off into the pasture.
 I hope it is OK. My daughter is a animal lover and she had a fit wanting to
 know if the deer was OK. It appears it was a hit on the drivers side but no
 apparent damage to the van.
 Tony

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 *Subject:* [VFB] body repair

 Actually, this is not the first vehicle we fixed.  We did the paint and
 body work on Judy's Dasher VW which a deer killed. Then we did my 1982
 Datsun, has the carpet yet to be put in, and now we are redoing Judy's 1959
 B100 IH pickup.  We thought we had it done (after 4 years) but the clear
 coat has a problem and is peeling off one side, so we are redoing that and
 some rust spots that we failed to get on the top of the cab.  Our UVU has a
 great Collision repair technology 101, repeatable class that we have taken
 over the past 7 years.  Fantastic instructors. Joyce
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Re: [VFB] Re: [RODMAKERS] Albolene

[Joyce Westphal]

It is in the cosmetic department with the other face creams at Rite Aid
pharmacy here in Utah.  It comes in a gigantic jar and is a bit pricey, but
as others have said, I have my original jar.  I think that if you read the
ingredients, that Nivea cream has the same ones.  However, the neat thing
about Abolene is that it has no fragrance.  Joyce


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Wayne Blake-Hedges
wayneb22...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Always wanted to try some as a floatant but never knew what it looks like
 and/or where to purchase it?

 Wayneb

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 * Subject: * Re: [RODMAKERS] Albolene
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To anyone interested in Albolene,
  I bought a jar of it about 12 years ago and I don't add any oil.  I
 put it in an old film can and just put a bit on my finger and thumb and
 lightly rub the fly.  It works just great.  I keep a small towel on my vest
 so I can wipe my hand if necessary.  The jar is still about 7/8s full so
 I'm sure I'll never have to buy more.  Mine seems to be unscented so I
 guess I just got lucky.

 Hal

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 some one said george added oil to the abilene to make the floatant. might
 anyone have an opinion what oil might be appropriate. timothyu

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Re: [VFB] Totally un tying related

[Joyce Westphal]

Peggy, as you already know, a lumbar fusion is a wonderful way to keep you
pain free..eventually.  However, it is so vital that you let the bone and
plates heal before putting any stress on them.  Standard of care is no
lifting, heavy work or even walking on uneven ground before 6 weeks and
remember, 6 months is the average healing time for any wound.  My comrade
in arms had his 2 months ago, plate and screws at 3 levels, and was back to
work, no lifting, just doing anesthesia, in 2 weeks.  It's been 4 months
now and he went on a wild boar hunt, riding a 4 wheeler and got his boar,
didn't do any lifting or dragging it though. A lot depends on your surgeon,
and for sure I'd follow every bit of his advice. Joyce


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Chuck Alexander 
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 Peggy: I never had one, but when our pastor's wife had one, she was flat
 of her back for at LEAST a month, and then couldn't drive etc for a LONG
 time. That was about 15 years ago though, so I'm sure things have changed.
 Chuck

 -Original Message- From: Peggy Brenner
 Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:48 PM
 To: Virtual Fly Box
 Subject: [VFB] Totally un tying related


 Has anyone on this group had a lumbar fusion?

 I'm looking at one in July so I can fish in comfort, but I'm having a
 hard time understanding doing nothing for 8 weeks.

 thanks

 Peggy
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Re: [VFB] Prayers needed for my wife

[Joyce Westphal]

Chuck, I think you are absolutely correct. Her injury  could easily have
been such that tiny clots were sent from the injury site to her lungs,  I'm
not lawsuit happy either, but the stores need to fix their problem so that
no further injuries to anyone occur. I'd for sure consult with a lawyer.
Joyce


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Chuck Alexander 
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   Don: Sorry to hear about that. I’m with Joyce and think your friend
 died from a blood clot that went to her heart. We JUST got my wife home.
 Have to follow up with our family doc Tuesday to get another “INR” (test to
 determine blood thickness/thinness I guess is what it actually is), and
 from there, she’ll probably be on Coumiden for at least a few months and
 they told her “NO GREEN LEAFY VEGGIES... PERIOD”. I had never heard that
 before, but something about the iron or something in green leafy vegetables
 can cause new clots I guess.  They never could determine what caused it,
 but they kept asking her if she smoked, which she NEVER has. I’ll tell ya
 what I think. And I’ll also tell ya what I now think of Dollar General
 stores.

 Last week or so, she was in a Dollar General store near here, and it’s a
 tiny store. So tiny, and crowded inside that they don’t have a buggy rack
 outside. It’s inside the store. Well, they had it turned a little cockeyed,
 and somebody was trying to push their buggy back in the rack, and almost
 ran my wife down with the buggy. She smashed her wrist against that buggy
 rack, and by the time she got home, it was really swollen, really painful
 and had a small cut.

 Soon as it happened, she had blood dripping down her hand, and the store
 manager didn’t even offer to get her a band-aid, or paper towel or
 anything. Just basically ignored my wife. So, she got home, emailed the
 home office because there homepage has no phone number.  Waited a week, and
 NO reply from the email. So she called another local store, and they gave
 her the corporate number and she called then and explained the situation.
 They said the local district manager would call her and get things
 straightened out and talk to her about it. He still has NOT called either.
 So. She has one more phone call to make, and that will be to a lawyer
 I’m thinking. I took pics just as soon as she got home, and the pics are
 digitally time/date stamped, so we have those as “proof”. I know one thing.
 We’ll have  to need an item pretty bad before we shop at another Dollar
 General I can tell ya that. I think that hit caused a blood clot to break
 loose, cause it was bruised BAD, which means that it WAS bleeding
 internally. I don’t want to be “sue happy” like this country is getting to
 be, but enough is enough and to not even get a phone call to check on
 somebody who was injured in one of your stores is unacceptable.  I have a
 little piddlin Associates Degree in Business Management, and in just that
 degree program, we learn that that is NOT the proper way to practice
 business. Chuck


  *From:* Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:05 AM
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Prayers needed for my wife

   Chuck,
 Prayers here indeed for you, your wife, and your family.  This is
 something that can be dealt with.
 Cancer, a *much* tougher problem.
 Heart attack? All depends.  My dad’s boss lived 30 years after a massive
 attack.  My dad lived 2 seconds.

 We just lost our best friend to a heart attack  (just 59) a couple of days
 ago.  Here one minute, gone the next.
 A couple here we’ve known for over 20 years, church members and camping
 buddies (fly-fisherman).
 Coleen, my wife’s best friend, fell down the stairs and shattered her
 femur a week ago.
 They operated on her (under totally) to put in a plate, but never gave her
 a heart exam (unusual).
 I was amazed how cheery she was when we visited her at the house when she
 got home.
 Then a couple of days ago, she felt real ill and Chad took her to the
 emergency room.
 She passed away on the operating table.  Needless to say, my wife and I
 are feeling a terrible
 loss right now.
 I’ve imagined what a basket-case I’d be if my wife passed away.  She’s
 definitely my way-better half, like 7/8ths.
 I visited my best friend yesterday and that is just what he’s going
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   Folks: My wife (and I) need your prayers. She had been short of
 breath for a cpl days, and thought it was her asthma acting up, so she was
 going to town yesterday and was going to stop off at our GP doc to get her
 inhaler refilled. But, they told her to go on to the ER if she was short of
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Re: [VFB] Merry Christmas

[Joyce Westphal]

Loved this. Joyce

2012/12/24 Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca



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Re: [VFB] Farewell for now

[Joyce Westphal]

I just ordered some new saddles..mine are looking rather picked over. I
have great hopes for tomorrow and the rest of this year. Have to get the
iron blue dun flies packaged and on their way to Peggy. Joyce

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:05 AM, Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.dewrote:

 Hi Gang,

 Apocalypse is scheduled for today.
 I don't know if I should buy a new fishing license and get some hackle.
 At least i started to ty for Peggie's Streamer Swap. Hope to finish before
 evening an handle them over to the mail folks.
 Hopefully they are able to do their job during this event.

 Maybe we see us tomorrow

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Re: [VFB] Flymph and Streamer swaps are both full! 11/5/2012

[Joyce Westphal]

I'll do a sooty olive. Thanks. Joyce

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Peggy Brenner peggy.bren...@comcast.netwrote:

 Thirteen  tyers, and due January 1, 2013, and if you are not sure of the
 flymph a spider type would be a great sub.

 1 Peggy B- Light Cahill
 2Neville Gosling
 3Michael Bliss
 4Joe Fusco
 5Scott Bearden
 6Joyce Westfall-Iron Blue Dun
 7Allan Fish-PMD flymph
 8Rene Zillman
 9Jim Hodson
 10Jerry McKaughan
 11Keith
 12Ashley Strutt
 13Bob Hendry

 Streamers, with wood duck or similar duck for  wings, these are smaller
 casting streamers used in New England and any waters that hold trout. Due
 February 1, 2013

 1 Peggy Brenner - Ora Smith style Red Demon
 2Neville Gosling
 3Michael Bliss
 4Rene Zillman
 5Jerry McKaughan
 6Ashley Strutt-Celeste
 7Keith
 8Robert Morger
 9Dan Harrington
 10 Joyce Westfall-
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Re: [VFB] re: skinning mallard question

[Joyce Westphal]

Thanks for the help.  I shall unfreeze the birds and work on them this
weekend. I'll pull the feathers off the head and discard it, wash all
feathers, microwave, dry and seal in vacuum packing and see how that turns
out.  These are absolutely beautiful birds and I don't want to waste a
feather. Joyce

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:16 AM, ashley strutt galeforce1...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Joyce,

 I've skinned a few ducks. Basically I slit the bird along the breast up to
 the base of the beak. Cut around that then carefully peel the skin back.
 When you get to the wings try and peel the skin back along the wing to get
 the bulk of meat and cut the wings when you can get no further. Continue
 with the peeling until you reach the tail and cut.  I use a craft knife as
 I have found it better for skinning for tying.

 After skinning, sock the skin in mild detergent for a couple of hours to
 try and get the grease out. Rinse the soap out and dry with newspapers. Saw
 dust may also be worth a try.

 Lay flat and rub borax into the skin with extra around the wings. Replace
 this borax after a couple of days with fresh.

 Hope that helps

 Ashley
 On 17 Oct 2012 02:00, Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just received a mallard and a teal duck..the meat of the breasts was
 taken out, but the head, legs and wings are still on the birds. I want to
 finish skinning them but have not dealt with ducks before. I question how
 best to get out the wing bones and meat while saving the feathers, is there
 a best way? Also how about the head..the bill is still on it as well.  Do I
 slit it under the neck or from the top of the head and attempt to remove
 the skul with the bill? How about the legs..slit down the front and remove
 the feet? Inquiring minds would like to know how to best save every feather
 of these birds.  When they are completely skinned, I'm planning to bury
 them in Borax for a time until the skin is all dried out.  I await advice.
 Thanks. Joyce

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[VFB] re: skinning mallard question

[Joyce Westphal]

I just received a mallard and a teal duck..the meat of the breasts was
taken out, but the head, legs and wings are still on the birds. I want to
finish skinning them but have not dealt with ducks before. I question how
best to get out the wing bones and meat while saving the feathers, is there
a best way? Also how about the head..the bill is still on it as well.  Do I
slit it under the neck or from the top of the head and attempt to remove
the skul with the bill? How about the legs..slit down the front and remove
the feet? Inquiring minds would like to know how to best save every feather
of these birds.  When they are completely skinned, I'm planning to bury
them in Borax for a time until the skin is all dried out.  I await advice.
Thanks. Joyce

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Re: [VFB] Lost rod

[Joyce Westphal]

So sorry you didn't find your rod.  But, try the rake with a rope through
the hole in the handle..catches more than a magnet ever will as on the rod
there just isn't enough metal I think  I can vouch for the effectiveness of
the garden rake. Joyce

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:


 Try as hard as I did, I could not retrieve my wayward rod.

 No fish either..


 Thank you,

 Alan Di Somma



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Re: [VFB] Fishing

[Joyce Westphal]

I second the drag a hook suggestion.  As a child, I and my sisters would
look for fishermen who got mad and threw their rods and reels into the
lake.  Often there was a bobber attached. We'd wait until they were gone,
and then, without my mother's knowledge (none of us could swim) would throw
a rock out near the bobber and Shep, the faithful dog, would run out to
where the splash was, grab the bobber, and drag the line to shore. By
careful pulling we could get the rod and reel close enough that we could
wade out and get the pole. Of course, there was always the danger that the
dog would get hooked, but we were lucky and he didn't. We quickly learned
that a garden rake was the ideal gadget to fish for the rod and bring it
up.  You may want to go back with a long handled garden rake and see if you
can't retrieve your lost rod.  Just a suggestion. Joyce

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:

 Got to go fishing with my son and his wife on Wed.
 Big thunder storm was lurking so I took my time getting ready before
 carrying a lightning rod out on the water.
 After finally getting out I stared paddling my pontoon boat about 10 or 15
 yards out, I looked down and both fly rods were gone. I looked back towards
 shore and saw one sticking straight up. Went back and got it but was really
 BUMMED. The one I lost was a Cortland Black
 Diamond 9ft. 5wt. And a Scientific Anglers reel.

 After getting my mind cleared I managed to get 4 small mouthed bass on a
 mosquito.

 Tried getting down with a sink tip and a wooly worm, but no luck.
 Stuck with what was working and got two on two casts.

 The water was like glass after the storm blew over.

 I've got to find a way to secure fly rods so I don't loose any more. Down
 to 11 now.

 Thank you,

 Alan Di Somma



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Re: [VFB] Fishing

[Joyce Westphal]

Good for you.  A fine fishing day here..bamboo ready, but had to quit the
fun when a great thunderstorm came up.  Perfect timing, home just as the
first bit of rain, short lived, fell.  We do so need the water. Joyce

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Got out in the boat for a couple of hours today. Got too hot to stay out
 much longer. I can't wade anymore so I fished from the boat while two of my
 fishing budies got out and waded. It was a tough morning. The bite was not
 very good. One was using a sz 18 Blue Midge and the other was using a
 Hopper with a Mdge dropper.
 Toby caught one trout and Mike got three or four. I was using the Chili
 Pepper in the faster water in the Chute at Tucker. I caught two nice
 Rainbows and missed one. The hit was tral light but the fight was hard.
 It was not a bad morning for catching but I have had a lot better ones.
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Re: [VFB]

[Joyce Westphal]

Good to hear that you are OK..saw on the TV that there are terrible storms
in your area..watching the weather from a quiet and non-stormy place. We
did have a bit of rain this AM, and it is chilly here. but nothing like you
have. Joyce

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Had the computer shut down for most of the day due to storms. Just thought
 I would post this. I tied at a show in Brighton Musorri yesterday. Two
 other list members were there. It was good to see Joe Fusco and Dail Graham
 who were also tying. There may of been some others but the two are who I
 remember.
 Arkansas Tony

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[VFB] re: dubbing

[Joyce Westphal]

I have found that adding a bit of wool, cut fine, to the dubbing, will make
it much easier to dub.  Go to your local knitting/yarn shop with your
dubbing in hand and look in the tapestry wools..I like DMC brand a lot.
When you get home, add it cut in 1/4 and 1/2 inch pieces to your dubbing, a
little at a time, until it comes to hand nicely on your dubbing thread.
Joyce

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Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer

[Joyce Westphal]

Tony, have you considered making a streamer with a bit of golden pheasant
for the tail instead of biots.  I find in fishing streamers that no tail or
a very soft tail, golden pheasant or a bit of arctic fox fur works
wonderfully.  For the wing the feather is Ok, but more effective in the
water is artic fox tail (if you have some) or maraboo.  The movement is
better and seems more alluring to the fish,  It's a good concept..think
your pattern will work just fine. I have also found that if you want the
colors to remain more true and have an inner glow so to speak, that you can
first wind silver tinsel under the body the whole hook length, then leave a
bit -2-3 wraps, as a tag just above the barb area,  then tie the floss on
for the body.  There seems to be a nicer look and more alive look in the
water when I do this.  Have fun. Joyce

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Chappy,
 I am thinking about using Peacock Sword for the tail instead of Biots.
 Should I have the curve up or down. Also think of Peacock Herl for the
 throat what do you think.
 Was thinking about a bit of a tag of Black Ostrich and tying in the tail
 then a bit more Black Ostrich in front of the tail tie in between the
 tail and body. Will have to pick up some UTC Black I really don't like to
 tie with it.
 Tony

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 *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:50 AM
 *Subject:* [VFB] Re: Streamer

 Hi Tony,

 From being in the northeast; tying and fishing streamers, I will add a
 few comments.  This fly needs some peacock herl, topping, or bucktail
 to fill in the open space...of course becoming Carrie Stevens Ghost
 like.  The first thing I always look at are the finish on the heads
 especially for plate flies.

 I recommend using some UTC black fine thread.  Untwist this thread so
 it lays flat sort of like very mini floss. You have to untwist with a
 slight bobbin spin every 5-10 wraps. This allows you to make a sweet
 head with no imperfections by laying the thread to fill in
 uneveness.  Then use 1 coat of penetrating cement like flexament or
 sally hansens.  then apply 2 -3 coats of hard as hull head cement.
 Give at least 4-6 hours in between coats.  Or you can use rod
 building epoxy once (this is less non-yellowing over time)

 This type of finished head commands attention.

 The marabou throat also looks out of place.  I would prefer to see a
 feather or barbule throat.  Instead of the chart tail, use a crest
 topping - it will also look regal.

 Marabou is fantastic for streamers and it is fun as you can add a lot
 of flash.  I like to use marabou as an underwing.  You can wet it
 first before you tie it in and when it dries it has a little less bulk
 and complements both bucktail and feather wings.  A marabou throat
 looks more appealing with this type of wing construction.

 I just tied up some magog smelts for a client and I need to take some
 pictures of what I am talking about.

 Certainly like the jungle cock cheek and eye.  This also looks great
 on a lighter color wing.  Where as silver pheasant makes a great cheek
 for dark wings

 Can't wait to see your next one.

 Chappy.

 On Dec 21, 5:19 pm, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:
  I need to tie some large flies for a couple of fly plates. This is a
 sample of one of the streamers I plan on tying. I am not totally satisfied
 with it so I am open to comments on any aspect of it before I tie another
 like it.
  I am open o all comments especally the negitave ones..
  Arkansas Tony
 
   Streamer fot Plate.JPG
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Re: [VFB] re: tying now, Summer Bug

[Joyce Westphal]

My good friend likes this fly for fishing the Salmon river for steelhead in
Idaho.  Glad you like it. Joyce

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.cawrote:

 Hi Joyce:

 Looks good!
 That is the kind of fly that I used to use for steelhead but nowadays many
 anglers are using much larger intruder style flies or tube flies when
 fishing sub surface although your summer bug size of fly is still used on a
 floating line and waked across the surface.

 Neville (Nev) Gosling
 Greater Vancouver
 BC Canada

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Re: [VFB] My monitor just kicked the bucket.

[Joyce Westphal]

That is sad, to loose a cape..I bet it was a poultry geist..they are the
very worst. Guess you will need to exocise your tying room with a big diet
Coke. Joyce

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

 **
 I had a cape walk off a little while ago.  Musta' been a poultrygeist.



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joyce M Westphal joyce...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 2:11 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] My monitor just kicked the bucket.

 Already stuck at the tying bench..almost finished 4 doz purple hazes ..two
 more to go and I had to take a break.  Computer is up again..no explanation
 for the blackout.  I think there is a Halloween poltergeist at work.

 On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

 **
 JimmyD's got the *VFB Monitor* Virus

 Innoculate yourself with heavy doses af beer and wine, and quarantine
 yourselves to your tying benches.



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 *From:* Joyce M Westphal joyce...@gmail.com
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 *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:43 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] My monitor just kicked the bucket.

 I think that is going around. My laptop just turned its screen dark..did
 it catch it from yours? Joyce

 On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:46 AM, J Balmer jbal...@betadigm.com wrote:

 There are a lot of inexpensive flat screens available these days.


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 The ON OFF switch on my little MAG monitor just died, so until I get a
 new
 monitor, I'm doing webmail on Jody's computer.  Should be able to find a
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Re: [VFB] re uv pattern

[Joyce Westphal]

Found it..it is called the purple haze.  Think it would do a nice UV dub
pattern ala Don Ordes.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Joyce M Westphal joyce...@gmail.comwrote:

 I need help finding a pattern..it was simply brown UV dubbing on a scud
 type hook, quick to tie.  Don't know it's name, but found it on Hatches
 originally.  Seems it was used in midwestern lakes for warm water fish.
  Does anyone have an idea what the name of this pattern could be? Thanks.
 Joyce

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Re: [VFB] IOFF ROLL-CALL

[Joyce Westphal]

I am, and have been for a long time. Joyce

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 6:05 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

 **
 *OK,*
 **
 *Who is still here from the IOFF?*  (Does anyone have the list with the
 charter members?)
 **
 *Roll call:*
 **
 *DonO*



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Re: [VFB] IOFF Roll Call

[Joyce Westphal]

Looks like we all need to pray for rqin ror you.  It's been wet this spring
in Utah with our rivers, with the rain and snow melt, too high to fish well.
Just starting to be fishable.  We're now starting into our dry season, so
perhaps our wet one will go your way. Joyce

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Still here and glad to see other IOFF'ers are too.  Been way too hot to do
 any
 fishing. Waco set a new record of 100 + temperatures - 55 straight days,
 then
 dropped into the nineties for a couple days and now back to 100+ . One
 usually
 gets cabin fever only when it's too cold to go outside. Ours is Cabin Fever
 too,
 but on the high end of the thermometer. Been too hot to fish, golf, etc. If
 I'm going
 to do anything outside, have to do it before 11 a.m

 Our lakes are 10-15 feet low and one out in west Texas is as dry as a bone.
 I've seen pics of 10 pound bass lying on the shore - dead as a door nail.
 Stock
 tanks are going dry. Hay is scarce.  Ha prices are through the roof.  My
 S-I-L
 has been looking for hay for over a month. Sold 140 of his Black Angus and
 kept 60.  Finally found some good hay and just bought 35 big rounds at $100
 per bale.  Yep, you read it right  $3500.  He's hoping to make it to the
 fall
 rains or he'll have to sell out completely. Many ranchers are in the same
 boat.
 I've got enough hay to get my Longhorn Steer Calico to mid-November.
 Shurely
 the fall rains will be here by then and the pastures will green out again.
 The last
 hay I bought was $7.95 a bale and that's the little square bales.

 We are all praying for rain



   º  ***
 JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,Author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing  Hunting
 Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, Texas Fish 
 Game Magazine North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, VFB  FFW Moderator, Scout
 Exec. BSA, Retired, 
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[VFB] Horrible Trip!!!!

[Joyce Westphal]

Hello,

  This message may be coming to you as a surprise but I need your help.Few
days back my family and I made an unannounced vacation trip to
London,UK.Everything was going fine until last night when we were  mugged on
our way back to the hotel.They Stole all our cash,credit cards and cellphone
but thank God we  still have our lives and passport.Another shocking thing
is that the hotel manager has been unhelpful to us for reasons i don't know.
I'm writing you from a local library cybercafe..I've reported to the police
and after writing down some statements that's the last i had from them.i
contacted the consulate and all i keep hearing is they will get back to me.
Our return flight leaves soon...I need you to help me out with a loan to
settle our bills here so we can get back home . I'll refund the money as
soon as we get back. All i need is $1,850 USD..Let me know if you can get me
the money then I will let  you know how to get it to me.

Thanks

Joyce   Westphal

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Re: [VFB] I feel like an idiot..... So what else is new LOL...

[Joyce Westphal]

You're not an idiot.  I haven't received the list either. So, kindly repost.
Joyce

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Chuck Alexander
chuckalexan...@hughes.netwrote:

  Folks: My half timers kicking in again, but could somebody please repost
 that list of tying items that Kevin  Slater needs the most??? I seem to have
 lost it, although my server has been having problem, so it may not be ALL
 ME . Thanks,  Chuck


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Re: [VFB] Kevin's e-mail and snail mail addresses

[Joyce Westphal]

Jimmy, when you learn what he needs, kindly let me know. I, too, have more
tying materials than I will ever use in my lifetime..and what do you do with
them when your'e no longer alive anyway. Joycre

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, ray...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Kevin Slater
 2905 E. 22nd
 Des Moines, IA 50317

 E-mail: flymak...@gmail.com

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[VFB] re: Kevin

[Joyce Westphal]

Do you know if he still has a vise?  Tools? Let me know. Joyce

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Re: [VFB] Netscape mail still messed up

[Joyce Westphal]

got your email just fine. Joyce

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, ray...@earthlink.net wrote:

 If any of you receive this email, please let me know. This is thru Webmail
 and
 will very likely remain my email workhorse.

 Thanks,

 JIMMY D

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Re: [VFB] Announcement

[Joyce Westphal]

Wow..that is so great. thanks for sharing. Joyce

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Jeff Frye bighawk...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Congrats, Mike. I have been playing for 30 years and have only come as
 close as a one hop that hit the pin and left me a 8 foot putt. 18 inches
 another time on the same hole.

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 *Sent:* Fri, October 8, 2010 5:34:16 PM
 *Subject:* [VFB] Announcement

 I am stretching the limits here but since there are occasional
 announcements and since this has been the matter of many silent prayers -
 like please please please let it.  and never answered. Finally, I had my
 first hole in one Saturday.  I have been playing golf many many years, much
 longer than I have been flyfishing (there in the hook to the site) and this
 is the first.  I know Jimmy and a few others share this other passion so I
 share that with you all.

 Mike

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Re: [VFB] Fiberglass rods

[Joyce Westphal]

I agree. My very favorite small stream rod is a 5 wt fiberglass 6 foot rod
that I built myself. That was years ago and it has more than paid for the
parts in my enjoyment. Joyce

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM, glw...@gundluth.org wrote:

 I know there are some fans of the glass rods here.  Personally for small
 streams with
 little wind I they are more enjoyable to fish than the high modulus carbon
 rod.





 http://thefiberglassmanifesto.blogspot.com/2010/09/first-look-cabelas-cgr-series.html

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Re: [VFB] THANKS TO ALL

[Joyce Westphal]

Wonderful news.. Joyce

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR PRAYERS.,

 I got a text message about a minute ago from my son-in-law.

 My daughter Penny had a clean MRI scan this morning.

 A.

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[VFB] re: check your paypal accounts

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Just had my paypal account hacked by a Kathy Brad who did $500.00 of
transactions. Good for Paypal, they caught it and closed down the account.
 You might want to check your account and see if it is OK. Joyce

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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

[Joyce Westphal]

Interesting. I keep all hooks in their boxes and separate by putting all
size 12, 14, 16, salmon 2, 4, 6 etc in a big plastic bag. When I want a 14,
it is easy to sort the bag and get wet or dry as I need.  These bags are in
 a giant keeper. Works for me and is lots less work. joyce

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

 Larry,
 'Problem' is that nowadays the scope of hook styles goes way beyond sizes.
 (I'm not complainin'.)
 There are so many manufacturers, styles, metals, colors, specialized
 shapes, custom bends,
 that it's just impossible to keep track of them, at least, be well
 organized.

 I try to divide salt, fresh, giant fly hooks first.
 Then I separate fresh into long streamer, salmon irons, and custom hooks.
 Then I separate fresh into general wet or dry.
 Then I separate those in hook styles in those catagories.
 Then I separate those into sizes.
 Same for the saltwater- offshore, inshore, long shank, short shank, popper,
 giant, etc.

 I get lost halfway through looking and Buggs reminds me the rest of the
 way, unless he's been...you know.

 DonO

 - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:21 PM
 Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes


 I am interjecting a thought here to start a thread in the middle of the
 discussion about hooks and hook prices, etc.  Forgive me.  Here is my
 question:

 How do you-all manage hook storage?  I am convinced that most of you
 have at least as many hook styles and sizes as I do.  I really like the
 large boxes with 12 or 15 separate compartments.  Spirit River sells
 them specifically for hooks...  I take the label from the hook packages
 and glue them to the side of each compartment.  It's a good system, and
 identifies each style and size correctly.  However, there is a lot of
 wasted space in these big boxes unless you buy enough hooks to fill the
 compartments.  I have them stacked up and handy near my vise.  Do you
 label these boxes for dry fly hooks, wets, streamers, etc.?
 I have waited a while to bring this subject up, but this is as good a
 time as any.
 Thanks for listening.  I will be waiting for all your good ideas.

 Larry Johnson
 Springville, Utah



  Wayne Blake-Hedges wayneb22...@yahoo.com 9/21/2010 1:29 PM 

 Hi Jim;

 Here are a couple of hook ideas:



 http://stores.ebay.com/Har-Lee-Rod/MUSTAD-HOOK-SALE-/_i.html?_fsub=1624363018_sid=15998378_trksid=p4634.c0.m322



 first is Harleerod, selling Mustad classic hook styles, can be had for
 as little as $0.99 per 500 plus shipping.




 http://stores.ebay.com/Togens-Fly-Shop/Hooks-/_i.html?_fsub=4996021_sid=302050183_trksid=p4634.c0.m322


 Second, Togens fly shop has hooks in contemproary styles for as little
 as $7.50 per hundred plus shipping.

 For fly storage, a lot of people have been making thier own fly boxes
 from inexpensive plastic boxes and craft foam.

 Here's one example:

 http://dharmaofthedrift.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-flats-fly-box-for-under-five-bucks.html


 Another:  http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2825

 Hope this helps;


 Wayne




 --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Jim Forshey j...@seahorses.com wrote:


 From: Jim Forshey j...@seahorses.com
 Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:33 PM


 Hi

 I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most
 I
 would have never thought of.

 To answer some of the questions;

 Off the Hook Fly Shop is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping
 to
 buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
 thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some
 of
 them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have
 fun
 and that is what matters.

 The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.

 I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good
 quality
 hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less
 each.

 In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we
 would
 even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she
 can
 look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she
 only
 did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at
 them (I
 think our oldest are from 2007, she would have been 10 then). I use to
 use a
 box by Scientific Anglers, I use to find them on sale now and then for
 around $10 to $20. Now they are running $39.95 plus 6 inserts at
 $15.95
 each, That is way to much for me. I am looking to make some storage
 boxes
 using some 1 x 12 x 12 slide cases.

 I always look for the swaps, I do not know how I missed the hook-swap.
 I
 also try and watch for the fly swap, but by the time I getting to
 reading my
 e-mails it always look like it is full. I am retiring on 11/30,
 hopefully
 after that I 

Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

[Joyce Westphal]

I'd love to meet you in person. Thanks for the invite. Joyce

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Joyce,
 When you visit Casper, come have dinner with us and tie one on with me.

 DonO

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:24 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

 Interesting. I keep all hooks in their boxes and separate by putting all
 size 12, 14, 16, salmon 2, 4, 6 etc in a big plastic bag. When I want a 14,
 it is easy to sort the bag and get wet or dry as I need.  These bags are in
  a giant keeper. Works for me and is lots less work. joyce

 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

 Larry,
 'Problem' is that nowadays the scope of hook styles goes way beyond sizes.
 (I'm not complainin'.)
 There are so many manufacturers, styles, metals, colors, specialized
 shapes, custom bends,
 that it's just impossible to keep track of them, at least, be well
 organized.

 I try to divide salt, fresh, giant fly hooks first.
 Then I separate fresh into long streamer, salmon irons, and custom hooks.
 Then I separate fresh into general wet or dry.
 Then I separate those in hook styles in those catagories.
 Then I separate those into sizes.
 Same for the saltwater- offshore, inshore, long shank, short shank,
 popper, giant, etc.

 I get lost halfway through looking and Buggs reminds me the rest of the
 way, unless he's been...you know.

 DonO

 - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:21 PM
 Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes


 I am interjecting a thought here to start a thread in the middle of the
 discussion about hooks and hook prices, etc.  Forgive me.  Here is my
 question:

 How do you-all manage hook storage?  I am convinced that most of you
 have at least as many hook styles and sizes as I do.  I really like the
 large boxes with 12 or 15 separate compartments.  Spirit River sells
 them specifically for hooks...  I take the label from the hook packages
 and glue them to the side of each compartment.  It's a good system, and
 identifies each style and size correctly.  However, there is a lot of
 wasted space in these big boxes unless you buy enough hooks to fill the
 compartments.  I have them stacked up and handy near my vise.  Do you
 label these boxes for dry fly hooks, wets, streamers, etc.?
 I have waited a while to bring this subject up, but this is as good a
 time as any.
 Thanks for listening.  I will be waiting for all your good ideas.

 Larry Johnson
 Springville, Utah



  Wayne Blake-Hedges wayneb22...@yahoo.com 9/21/2010 1:29 PM 

 Hi Jim;

 Here are a couple of hook ideas:



 http://stores.ebay.com/Har-Lee-Rod/MUSTAD-HOOK-SALE-/_i.html?_fsub=1624363018_sid=15998378_trksid=p4634.c0.m322



 first is Harleerod, selling Mustad classic hook styles, can be had for
 as little as $0.99 per 500 plus shipping.




 http://stores.ebay.com/Togens-Fly-Shop/Hooks-/_i.html?_fsub=4996021_sid=302050183_trksid=p4634.c0.m322


 Second, Togens fly shop has hooks in contemproary styles for as little
 as $7.50 per hundred plus shipping.

 For fly storage, a lot of people have been making thier own fly boxes
 from inexpensive plastic boxes and craft foam.

 Here's one example:

 http://dharmaofthedrift.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-flats-fly-box-for-under-five-bucks.html


 Another:  http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2825

 Hope this helps;


 Wayne




 --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Jim Forshey j...@seahorses.com wrote:


 From: Jim Forshey j...@seahorses.com
 Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:33 PM


 Hi

 I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most
 I
 would have never thought of.

 To answer some of the questions;

 Off the Hook Fly Shop is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping
 to
 buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
 thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some
 of
 them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have
 fun
 and that is what matters.

 The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.

 I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good
 quality
 hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less
 each.

 In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we
 would
 even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she
 can
 look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she
 only
 did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at
 them (I
 think our oldest are from 2007, she would have been 10 then). I use to
 use a
 box by Scientific Anglers, I use to find them on sale now

Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers

[Joyce Westphal]

My dubbing isn't on pelts..just in bags, such as SLF and those you can get
in any good fly shop. I love that stuff, as well as UV dub.  Again, not
pelts, bags. Much of my plain dark dubbing fur to hold things together comes
from Lion brand wool/acrylic yarn which I cut up and turn to dubbing in a
coffee blender. The rest comes from washing, drying and then brushing the
beagle with a furminator (great dubbing getting tool). Joyce

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

 Chuck, now you're talking 'material swaps', something we used to do a lot
 of.
 Get 10 tiers off line and make up swap-bags to trade out.

 My idea is for bulk purchasing discount.  A few may need to trade out, but
 someone has to come up with the cash.

 Cruise the Moscow Hide  Fur site.  Call for discounts of low-demand or
 highly damaged pelts for flytying.  Chinchillas are not that expensive and
 tho small, make a ton of dubbing.

 DonO

 - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander 
 chuckalexan...@hughes.net
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers


  Me too. If Bob, or somebody had a lot of extra, they could make up grab
 bags for example (there might not even be the EXACT type pelts in ALL the
 bags, depending on how much he (or whoever) had, and then we who were in the
 swap but don't really dub a whole lot, Like Larry and myself here, could be
 able to get a bunch of different small patches. That would be PERFECT for my
 needs/wants anyway. PLEASE, somebody like Bob, or  Joyce, or whoever might
 have a lot of extra dubbing type pelts, consider doing a grab bag type
 sell off.  I  (and I know others who either don't need a lot, or can't
 afford a lot of whole pelts) would certainly appreciate that Chuck


 - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- new ideas from VFBers


 I am not interested in a lot of dubbing, certainly whole pelts.  I don't
 do that much dubbing, especially of one color.  Small patches of several
 basic colors  sounds more reasonable, and likely that I would/could be
 interested in.  If it happened that someone were to meister a swap which
 would include smaller samples (2x2 or 2x4) I would go for it..

 Larry Johnson
 Springville, Utah

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Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- Joyce

[Joyce Westphal]

see, I'm not the only one with lots of tying stuff. Joyce

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  I bought a wooden chest-of-drawers that has about 10 shallow drawers 2
 deep x 18 x 20 from a 2nd-hand store ($20).  The top 5 drawers are dubbing
 drawers, separated into synthetic dubbings, natural furs, ice-dub,
 long-fibered dubbings (like awesome-hair +), and custom/trial mixes (2
 drawers).

 Each drawer has dubbing organizers set up for the kinds of dubbing they
 are.  Some work better in dubbing dispensers, some in bags, some in
 bag-socks, some in film cannisters, etc.

 I have other boxes and bags of bulk dubbings, and lots of stuff that can be
 used for dubbing ropes, so the list is about endless.  When I use them, part
 of it goes in the drawer to remind me of that dubbing rope, with samples.

 The lower drawers are for tying kits (specific flies- like shrimp, mice)
 and extra tools.

 DonO

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2010 6:21 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps- Joyce

 Don, I have a 2 foot by 3 foot box of dubbings, all in disarray. I also
 make some of my special ones.  I couldn't part with a one..might need it
 sometime. I'm a dubbing hoarder. One can never have too many dubbings..
 remember, it is my sister who thinks I have to many. She also thinks I have
 too many saddles and necks ( a dresser full). I love tying and love the
 sheer joy of the artistic creation of flies. Joyce

 On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Joyce,
 List the dubbings that you have an overabundance of and maybe the meister
 would trade out for your portion of a new pelt to add diversity to your
 stock and less overabundance.

 Just a suggestion...

 DonO

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2010 6:24 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps

 I've got enough dubbing to last me until I die so this is one swap I'd not
 be interested in. Thanks. Joyce

 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

 One thing Moscow doesn't do is dye furs.
 If a swapmeister would be good a dyeing

 DonO


 - Original Message - From: Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu

 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:50 AM

 Subject: Re: [VFB] Pelt-swaps


   DonO:  Any idea about how much a person might be invested in a joint
 ventre like this?  I would be interested in several pieces of dyed fur, but
 not a $100 worth.

 Larry Johnson
 Springville, Utah

  Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com 9/17/2010 10:30 AM 

 Who feels like pooling resources to get good buys on pelts at Moscow
 HF to divide up amongst swappers?  Like the CO-OP swap, the meister buys
 the pelt, photos it, and cuts it up to divide amongst the swappers, who 
 send
 in their share + SH.

 Buys range from dirt-cheap to taxidermy quality, many animals listed
 (dubbing quality critters), and 3 pieces would be enough dubbing to last a
 very long time.

 The numbers can be set by the meister and swappers.  (If you want half a
 pelt, find one more swapper.)

 But a simple swap could go like this:  (Just a suggestion of an easy
 typical swap)



 So you'd get a chunk of tail, some dense back,  off-color thinner
 belly. #1  2 swappers would want the mask for bushy flies.

 There are hundreds of selections, so there could be many swaps.

 Just a thought- one ore way to use the VFB for buying power.

 DonO

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Re: [VFB] My Fishing / some pictures - warning: one picture is bait fishing G

[Joyce Westphal]

Loved the pictures. It's been 40 years since I was in Koln and on the
Rhine..as a visitor, not a fisher. You are one lucky person. joyce

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.dewrote:

 Hi Gang, just reported in the previous post about Rhine and Ahr. Wanted
 to share 2 pictures, you can guess, what the Rhine is and what the Ahr.
 Look for the wine yards and the cathedral.
 Rene


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[VFB] re: cheap fly boxes

[Joyce Westphal]

Another option is to go to your nearest hospital or surgery center and ask
to talk to their materials management person. Ask them to sell you several
of the largest sharps counting boxes that they use for surgery needles and
blades. They are little red plastic boxes with foam on one side and a magnet
on the other. they are not expensive (about .75 cents apiece) and will hold,
depending on the size of the fly, from 18-20 flies.  Joyce

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Re: [VFB] FYI

[Joyce Westphal]

Thanks for the update. Joyce

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 For your info.

 Tony Spezio had major surgery on his lower esophagus yesterday, in Little
 Rock.

 Tony is doing well and was due to be given a little solid food this
 evening.  He will be in the hospital till at least Thursday.

 Prayers for a speedy recovery are appreciated.

 a.

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Re: [VFB] My Brown

[Joyce Westphal]

So where can I find the pattern for that fly? Joyce

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 5:30 AM, J McK woodenleg...@hotmail.com wrote:


 Just a shot of the 22 3lb Brown Trout form the White River last Friday,
 thanks to Ken Richards of
 Justfishingguides.com and Jimmy T's parachute hopper Wishes  Fishes.



 Jerry McKaughan,President
 Caddis Fly Fishing Club
 P. O. Box 9104
 Russellville, AR 72811
 www.caddisflyfishers.org



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Re: [VFB] Rope-dub swap photos/FOTW

[Joyce Westphal]

I think that sometimes the wire rib also helps to define the segments of the
fly and it adds a bit of weight and extra flash. For instance, a  Czech
nymph pattern, as tied by the originators, often has two ribs, one of gold
tinsel or wire, that is used to make flash, and a clear mono that is a rib
over the shell to hold it down.  Weight is added separately with lead wire.
Joyce

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Wayne,

 There's nothing wrong with a wire rib.  It's just not needed...if you rope
 dub.  Wire does add weight, durability (for the dubbing), and
 reinforcement.  But a blend of dubbing with a little flash dubbing added
 will give more life-like segmentation than ribbed simulated segmentation.
 Using wire for the core of the rope will give you the durability of a wire
 rib, and the weight.

 Spanish Mackerel will tear up just about any fly.  I rope-dub crystal ice
 dub and awesome hair to a grub-shape (with a tail- like a Mr. Twister),
 using stainless steel wire ot bite tippet for the rope-core.  Although they
 chew the dickens out of it, it keeps catching fish because it just can't
 fall apart. (it'll look loke a fuzzy-grub after a few fish, then a tail-less
 fuzzy grub)  If they are not biting on leaders at all, them mono tippets are
 the only way, using long-shank hooks with the fly tied at the back end.  I
 lose a lot of them- unavoidable, but they are 30 second flies to tie, so the
 loss is just not that great.

 You have a dozen or so rib-less samples coming with your DVD.  Let me know
 if you still think you need ribbing after you look at them.  And look at
 them underwater, too, as that's where the fish see them.

 DonO

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Wayne Blake-Hedges wayneb22...@yahoo.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 2:54 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Rope-dub swap photos/FOTW

   Hi Gary;

 I really like this one too!  Kinda a cross between Dave Whitlocks fox
 squirrell nymph and a Czech nymph.

 DonO:

 What's the advantage of not using a wire rib?  I always thought the wire
 rib served two purposes, a little flash and secondly it add reinforcement to
 the dubbing.

 Wayne

 --- On *Fri, 9/10/10, glw...@gundluth.org glw...@gundluth.org* wrote:


 From: glw...@gundluth.org glw...@gundluth.org
 Subject: Re: [VFB] Rope-dub swap photos/FOTW
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:36 PM

 (Embedded image moved to file: pic02732.jpg)

 John Bethke's Pink Squirrel Nymph-  This fly pattern recipe has a wire rib,
 which I would delete
 in favor of a dubbing mix that will segment and look the same without a
 rib.  Use a little gold in the dubbing
 blend if you want the flash, and that will accent the segments.


 DonO

 Thanks for the critique.  You're right. I tried to stay too close to the
 originator's recipe.
 And I could have rope dubbed the wire for the durabilitiy factor.  I'll
 get better
 I hope. Back to the DVD and paying closer attention.  LOL

 Background:

 John Bethke has said that he was frustrated by trout hitting his Bio-Strike
 indicator.
 So he went home and found he had some shell pink chenille that was a pretty
 close match colorwise.

 Here is his description of his fly:

 (See attached file: Pink Squirrel by John Bethke.docx)

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Re: [VFB] re: steelhead flies

[Joyce Westphal]

Purple bucktaisl works just as well for the wing. Joyce

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Joyce,
 I have some purple seal and I will give it a shot at a gap-wrap over a
 silver wrapped base.
 I have purple spey  grizzly, but no purple squirrel.  shukkins.
  DonO

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 *Sent:* Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:25 PM
 *Subject:* [VFB] re: steelhead flies

 Don, have you ever gap wrapped or rope dubbed any steelhead fllies. I've a
 bunch of purple perils to tie, and I'm thinking that rope dubbing them would
 be quicker and look as good as the standard chenille and yarn type bodies.
 What do you think? Joyce

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Re: [VFB] Rope-dub swap photos

[Joyce Westphal]

It's called Byron's midge because Byron Sargeant is a fishing friend who
suggested that this pattern would work for what we saw..I tied it up and it
worked great in our area. Because it is made with UV dub, which is a
naturally floating synthetic, no floatant is needed.  We just throw it to
the area where we saw the fish rising, let it float over his head, and he
took it. That began the success with this fly.  The starling feather seems
to wobble in the current giving the fly action. Joyce

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Thanks, Joyce, for the back-ground. * That's a good idea for a thread.*

 *Each swapper explains:*
 the background for his/her fly design
 the method of fishing
 the intended quarry on what kind of water

 Reply:  I looked for this tie on the web, couldn't find it.
 Does it float long without floatant? There's another Byron's midge
 on which he uses deer hair and foam to get it to float.

 Are you satisfied as to how this fly pattern is coming out?
 That's what matters, and too, what do the fish think?

 DonO

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:25 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Rope-dub swap photos

 Byron's midge is ribbed with purple Holoshimmer, a metallic thread you get
 at JoAnnes in the sewing department. I love it because it is very strong but
 doesn't add the weight that wire does.  You'll not get the same results with
 wire..too heavy. * this fly sits in the surface film and is a real trout
 catcher on the Hobblecreek river.*
  This fly was tied to match some ugly black bugs that we skimmed with a
 nylon stocking. Joyce

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Re: [VFB] Rope-dub swap photos

[Joyce Westphal]

What a good idea..I've never used starling as a tail but I use it a lot like
jungle cock eyes for tiny black dries. Joyce

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Wayne Blake-Hedges wayneb22...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hi Joyce;

 Love how you used the starling feather, I think the yellow tipped starling
 feather has a lot of uses, I made a spider variant where  I tied a starling
 feather in by the tip as a tail and used the remainder to hackle a peacock
 herl  body.

 Wayne
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 --- On *Thu, 9/9/10, Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com

 Subject: Re: [VFB] Rope-dub swap photos
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 3:20 PM


 It's called Byron's midge because Byron Sargeant is a fishing friend who
 suggested that this pattern would work for what we saw..I tied it up and it
 worked great in our area. Because it is made with UV dub, which is a
 naturally floating synthetic, no floatant is needed.  We just throw it to
 the area where we saw the fish rising, let it float over his head, and he
 took it. That began the success with this fly.  The starling feather seems
 to wobble in the current giving the fly action. Joyce

 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Don Ordes 
 f...@tribcsp.comhttp://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@tribcsp.com
  wrote:

  Thanks, Joyce, for the back-ground. * That's a good idea for a thread.*

 *Each swapper explains:*
 the background for his/her fly design
 the method of fishing
 the intended quarry on what kind of water

 Reply:  I looked for this tie on the web, couldn't find it.
 Does it float long without floatant? There's another Byron's midge
 on which he uses deer hair and foam to get it to float.

 Are you satisfied as to how this fly pattern is coming out?
 That's what matters, and too, what do the fish think?

 DonO

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 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Rope-dub swap photos

 Byron's midge is ribbed with purple Holoshimmer, a metallic thread you get
 at JoAnnes in the sewing department. I love it because it is very strong but
 doesn't add the weight that wire does.  You'll not get the same results with
 wire..too heavy. * this fly sits in the surface film and is a real trout
 catcher on the Hobblecreek river.*
  This fly was tied to match some ugly black bugs that we skimmed with a
 nylon stocking. Joyce

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[VFB] re: steelhead flies

[Joyce Westphal]

Don, have you ever gap wrapped or rope dubbed any steelhead fllies. I've a
bunch of purple perils to tie, and I'm thinking that rope dubbing them would
be quicker and look as good as the standard chenille and yarn type bodies.
What do you think? Joyce

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[VFB] re: neat flies

[Joyce Westphal]

great flies arrived here today..renews my interest in flyting. thanks Don
and all who took part. Joyce

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Re: [VFB] test

[Joyce Westphal]

Here in Springville, UT. Joyce

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 Am I getting out?

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Re: [VFB] Searching for Glenn Overton

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glennover...@frontiernet.net is the last address that I have for him. Joyce

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Re: [VFB] Searching for Glenn Overton

[Joyce Westphal]

I got this address from him when I talked with him just last week. Joyce

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Glen was up in age when I used to talk to hin a lot. I have not gotten any
 replies for a good while.
 Tony

 --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca* wrote:


 From: Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca
 Subject: RE: [VFB] Searching for Glenn Overton

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 Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 2:56 PM


 the last address that I have is

 Glenn Overton 
 [glennover...@libby.orghttp://mc/compose?to=glennover...@libby.org
 ]

 Neville (Nev) Gosling
 Greater Vancouver,
 B.C. Canada
 http://www.totemflyfishers.ca




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  i tried to contact Glenn, but his email addy isn't valid any more.
  Anybody any idea about his whereabouts?
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Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial

[Joyce Westphal]

I've stuck with Sooegoo II RED label as it is the one that works the best.
However, I've also used GE brand silicone seal, clear (look on the
information label and make sure that it says it can be removed with toluene
or tolunol).   Be sure to use it in a well ventilated space. Joyce

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:

  Joyce:

 is it only the Shoegoo II or can any of the Shoegoo's work the same?


 Thank you,
 Alan Di Somma

 You know your a redneck when:

 You burn your yard, instead of mowing it...


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 *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:29 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial

 I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal  mixed  with toluene (tolunol)
 available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works
 wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl  cement similar to
 Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it
 in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them.  You
 can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent
 for clear heads with no oder.  But, though it is less toxic, I note that it
 does include a warning on the label.  Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce

 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Nev,

 I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored
 ones are transparent.  The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is
 transparency.  Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs
 of all colors including clear.  But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than
 Swan., and is round, not D-shaped.
 I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large.  All of these are
 clear.

 Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders.

 This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River:   (The root beer
 is clear, but not real transparent.)


 There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only
 in the 2oz. bottles.
 http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm
 I go through that in no time.
 A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and
 I use it for everything.  Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner
 for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions.  I got the formula
 from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for shipping
 purposes (bulk).

 Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the matrix.
 It's not a thinner.

 This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00.  That's not too
 bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement.
 http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart

 Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators.  You flyshop can
 get them from Hareline.

 WORD OF CAUTION!  Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want voices
 in your head.

 So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now?  Kool!!!

 DonO

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 *From:* Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca
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 *Subject:* [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial

   Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the
 Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find
 chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used
 didn't have the red but I did order hot pink.   One supplier only shipped
 UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one.

 Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three
 of toluene, MEK  Acetone or do they all work individually?

 Next on the list is the vinyl cement,

 I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon.


 Neville (Nev) Gosling
 Greater Vancouver,
 B.C. Canada


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Re: [VFB] Hook swap

[Joyce Westphal]

No  message here . Joyce

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 I didn't...


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Re: [VFB] Gudebrod

[Joyce Westphal]

Is this true for sewing thread as well? I sew with Gudebrod thread from the
fabric store. Joyce


I was on the Gudebrod Pro Staff for 6 or 7 years. They closed down the
 program because it was not financially productive. I guess that is the
 reason for shutting down the tying thread production too. Personally I think
 it was the best tying thread made. Yes, that is my opinion. Now it looks
 like all thread production is shut down.
 Tony

 --- On *Thu, 8/5/10, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca* wrote:


 From: Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca
 Subject: [VFB] Gudebrod
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 11:36 AM


 This is not good!


 Neville (Nev) Gosling
 Greater Vancouver,
 B.C. Canada


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 *[image: gudebrod NCP thread] The Gudebrod thread company* appears to be
 another casualty of recent economic upheaval, with banks unwilling to lend
 and small businesses caught without capital.

 Gudebrod has been synonymous with silk and rod winding threads for decades,
 yet has been forced to lay off its entire workforce.

 *W.E. “Nat” LeGrande Jr., company president, said he is hopeful the
 layoffs, which occurred Friday, will be temporary. He said about 60 to 65
 union and non-union workers have been temporarily laid off from the 274
 Shoemaker Road facility while the financially troubled, family-owned company
 seeks new capital.*

 - via The 
 Mercuryhttp://www.pottstownmercury.com/articles/2010/08/03/news/srv008996077.txt

 The company has been struggling since the loss of the Glide dental floss
 contract in 2007, which represented 63% of their net business, proving yet
 again how little angling dollars contribute to a company’s bottom line.

 Us hoarders have learned to snatch up whatever stocks remain, as too often
 published reports of “temporary” setbacks are found to be permanent
 closures.

 It’s likely someone will fill the gap, but if you’re an aficionado of their
 products I would lay in a goodly supply of the colors used most. They can
 use the bucks, and you’d be covered for the foreseeable future.

 Gudebrod makes a wide variety of silk, nylon, and Kevlar threads for both
 rods and flytying. Their “NCP” (no color preservative) thread was quite the
 rage in the day as it remained opaque with no loss of color when a rod
 finish was applied.

 Thread making must be a hellish business as we’ve lost both Danville’s
 Monocord and (perhaps) the entire Gudebrod line in the same year.

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Re: [VFB] Waterside Tying

[Joyce Westphal]

Why not just make a sharp edge with a standard bastard type metal
file? then hone it really sharp with a knife sharpening stone?  I saw
in a show on prisons that prisoners make shanks, sharp knifes, by
simply taking a piece of metal they've torn from a fence and grinding
it carefully against the cement. But, my question is, why would you
want a sharp mataralli in your box of tools? It would cut into other
tools you have. I carry my scissors in my hand at all times, saves the
time of picking it up and putting it down so cut the thread, after a
hand whip finish, with that. Just my thoughts. Joyce

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Wes Wada w...@wadaworks.com wrote:
 I guess this could be a more general thread about tying stations.
 Here's an idea I like a great deal, but I don't necessarily have the gear to
 accomplish the task easily.
 You start with a Matarelli or Matarelli-style whip finisher.  The flattened
 wire end of the whip finisher handle is your target.  You file or grind that
 to a scraper-shaped edge.  If you want to get fancy, you put a sharpened
 notch in the center of the edge.
 After you whip finish a head, you flip the whip finisher in your hand, and
 use the handle-end cutter to trim off the thread.
 This was featured in somebody's fly tying video, possibly on YouTube.  Maybe
 someone knows who that was and can provide a link where he is shown cutting
 the tying thread with this cutter built into a Matarelli whip finisher.
 The information needed from you metalsmiths out there is – what tools do I
 need to accomplish the task of putting the edge on the end of the handle?
  Anyone have a suggestion?  What's the least expensive combination that will
 work?  What would the deluxe version look like?  Thanks.

 Wes Wada
 Bend, Oregon

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Re: [VFB] Waterside Tying

[Joyce Westphal]

Perhaps it will help you to know that when you are going to do the
whip finish with your hand, you can simply flip the scissors so that
the points are backwards facing your arm, or  you can simply drop one
of the loops of the scissors and  keep it on your little finger while
you do the whip finish with the rest of your hand. I carry a simple
(happens to be a Griffen Patriot) vise with a weighted base in the
trunk of my car along with a thrift shop, used, fabric briefcase which
has a few dubbings, pheasant tail, bobbin, thread in red, olive and
black, some 16, 14, 12 and 10 hooks in a pill box, peacock herl and
some silver and gold tinsel, pearl Krystal flash. that's it. You can
tie quite a few patterns with that tiny assortment. I simply set the
vise on the seat of the truck or in the back and tie on my knees.
As to the bent handles on the scissors, that is easy to do and
really helps fit scissors to your hand. put the scissors in a vise
with the screw that holds the pieces together well inside the vise and
also about 1/2 inch of the handles in the vise. Then put on a clamp
and pull the loops towards you until you have about a 30 degree angle.
Or, if you know someone in a machine or autobody shop who has a brake
for bending metal..have them bend it for you.  I find that this really
helps scissors fit to the hand.
   Good luck on your streamside kit.  One word of advice, be sure that
you don't put anything in your streamside kit that you'd miss a lot if
it were stolen.  People see you use it and they will break into your
truck and steal it sometimes..so tie quietly and in secret.  I speak
from experience here.  Let us know how you do. Joyce

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Larry Johnson johns...@uvu.edu wrote:
 Roger:  Small scissors.  If they don't fit, do what Joyce has done.  When we 
 were tying for the boy scouts last week, she showed me how she had the 
 handles on her favorite scissors bent at an angle so they fit further in her 
 hand.  Her hands are small, and I know that she seldom sets her scissors 
 down.  My hands are much larger, but I keep my scissors in my hand, and I can 
 even use my Thompson whip finisher with my scissors kept in my hand.  Saves 
 lots of time.  Sorry this digressed.  I know it started as a stream-side 
 tying thread...

 Larry Johnson
 Springville, Utah



 Rodger Oleson rodger...@argontech.net 8/3/2010 9:18 AM 
 Anthony Spezio wrote:

 With the scissors in hand and making the whip finish done by hand a lot of 
 time is saved when tying a lot of flies.
 Sounds great,Tony,Joyce and all.  I've been trying to learn to hold my 
 scissors and do a whip finish for the past year.  Seems I can do one or the 
 other, but either slows down my already tortoise-speed tying. :-[ Is there 
 some secret or does it just require practice and a bit of manual 
 dexterity...practice I can handle, but..:-(

 Rodger O.

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Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial- Joyce

[Joyce Westphal]

The smell is gone as soon as it flashes off. That usually takes a few hours
if the flies are outside in the heat.  Toluene is extremely volatile..makes
for quick flash off but you don't want to use it where there is a source of
flames..ie, like near your furnace or water heater. I do mine outside when
I've finished a batch.

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Thanks, One other thing.  For how long can you smell fumes coming from
 it?
 I've opened fly boxes and had the insides smell like the cement I was
 using.
 I don't use any cements when I'm tying streamside.

 DonO

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:47 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial- Joyce

 Doesn't shrink that I've noticed..try it and see. I learned this from the
 very first flytyer teacher I had and have used it for many years. I mostly
 use the Deft clear poly because of it's less liver danger, but also have the
 silicone seal when I want a really tough salmon fly head. Joyce

 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Joyce,
 Does it shrink when drying?
 I've tried some silicones and they shrink and roll up feathers and wings.

 Thanks,
 Don

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:29 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial

 I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal  mixed  with toluene
 (tolunol) available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works
 wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl  cement similar to
 Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it
 in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them.  You
 can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent
 for clear heads with no oder.  But, though it is less toxic, I note that it
 does include a warning on the label.  Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce

 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Nev,

 I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored
 ones are transparent.  The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is
 transparency.  Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs
 of all colors including clear.  But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than
 Swan., and is round, not D-shaped.
 I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large.  All of these are
 clear.

 Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders.

 This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River:   (The root beer
 is clear, but not real transparent.)


 There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only
 in the 2oz. bottles.
 http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm
 I go through that in no time.
 A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and
 I use it for everything.  Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner
 for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions.  I got the
 formula from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for
 shipping purposes (bulk).

 Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the
 matrix.  It's not a thinner.

 This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00.  That's not
 too bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement.
 http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart

 Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators.  You flyshop can
 get them from Hareline.

 WORD OF CAUTION!  Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want
 voices in your head.

 So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now?  Kool!!!

 DonO

  - Original Message -
 *From:* Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
  *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:38 PM
 *Subject:* [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial

   Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to
 the Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't
 find chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I
 used didn't have the red but I did order hot pink.   One supplier only
 shipped UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one.

 Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three
 of toluene, MEK  Acetone or do they all work individually?

 Next on the list is the vinyl cement,

 I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon.


 Neville (Nev) Gosling
 Greater Vancouver,
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Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial- Joyce

[Joyce Westphal]

Doesn't shrink that I've noticed..try it and see. I learned this from the
very first flytyer teacher I had and have used it for many years. I mostly
use the Deft clear poly because of it's less liver danger, but also have the
silicone seal when I want a really tough salmon fly head. Joyce

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Joyce,
 Does it shrink when drying?
 I've tried some silicones and they shrink and roll up feathers and wings.

 Thanks,
 Don

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:29 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial

 I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal  mixed  with toluene (tolunol)
 available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works
 wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl  cement similar to
 Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it
 in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them.  You
 can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent
 for clear heads with no oder.  But, though it is less toxic, I note that it
 does include a warning on the label.  Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce

 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Nev,

 I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored
 ones are transparent.  The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is
 transparency.  Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs
 of all colors including clear.  But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than
 Swan., and is round, not D-shaped.
 I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large.  All of these are
 clear.

 Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders.

 This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River:   (The root beer
 is clear, but not real transparent.)


 There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only
 in the 2oz. bottles.
 http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm
 I go through that in no time.
 A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and
 I use it for everything.  Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner
 for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions.  I got the formula
 from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for shipping
 purposes (bulk).

 Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the matrix.
 It's not a thinner.

 This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00.  That's not too
 bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement.
 http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart

 Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators.  You flyshop can
 get them from Hareline.

 WORD OF CAUTION!  Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want voices
 in your head.

 So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now?  Kool!!!

 DonO

  - Original Message -
 *From:* Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
  *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:38 PM
 *Subject:* [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial

   Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the
 Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find
 chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used
 didn't have the red but I did order hot pink.   One supplier only shipped
 UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one.

 Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three
 of toluene, MEK  Acetone or do they all work individually?

 Next on the list is the vinyl cement,

 I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon.


 Neville (Nev) Gosling
 Greater Vancouver,
 B.C. Canada


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Re: [VFB] Hook Swap

[Joyce Westphal]

that should be size 14 wet fly (70) hooks.

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.cawrote:

  Although I am not a participant, I wanted to see what hooks have been
 selected, and so I put the attached together. I did not include DonO's
 options.
 I'm not sure if Rodger Oleson is a participant.  This is perfectly lined up
 as I type and I hope it stays thjat way when I hit send.


 *Name* *style* *size* *Peggy Brenner* *700B* *10* *Joyce Westphal* *
 135* *16* ** *70* *16* *Rick Zieger* *300* *14* *Don Ordes* *320* *10* *
 * *320* *12* ** *320* *14* *Don Ordes* *280* *6* ** *280* *8* ** *280*
 *10* ** *280* *12* *Don Ordes* *270* *4* ** *270* *6* ** *270* *8* *Rene
 Zillman* *270* *12* *Wayne Blake-Hedges* *700* *12*


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 Greater Vancouver,
 B.C. Canada

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Re: [VFB] Fwd: Bugger Saddle Necks are Going Outta-Sight!

[Joyce Westphal]

Check out http://eflytyer.com/new_stuff/ns_feathers.html, Mike Hogue. I've
dealt with him for years. I believe he also sells Collins hackle. I've
gotten some great soft hackle Chinese necks from him as well.  Ewing hackle
co also has really good bugger hackle at reasonable prices and wonderful
colors. Joyce

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Pacres pac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Check out Howard's Hackle from Alberta. http://howardhackle.com/ Might
 be a good alternate source for you.

 On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Wes Wada w...@wadaworks.com wrote:
  Hi Rodger,
 
  I was lucky to have bought quite an assortment of colored grizzly
  necks years ago, and I paid about $19 apiece for full necks.
  Unfortunately, even white #3 grizzly necks are included in the coming
  price increases.  I dye and enjoy doing that, but if I can get a neck
  already dyed at less than $30, that's going to look like a bargain in
  a few months.  Just bought some remaining stock of claret grizzly
  necks at $14.  There are three more hanging on the racks, and I am
  looking to get those as well, if possible. Between companies
  discontinuing items I like a lot (Gudebrod tying thread, Danville
  Monocord, etc.) and raising prices, it's a major ouch!!
 
  Wes
 
 
 
  On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Rodger Oleson rodger...@argontech.net
 wrote:
  Wes Wada wrote:
 
  Hi Tony,
  I need the colored grizzly necks:  i.e. grizzly dyed brown, grizzly dyed
  claret, grizzly dyed olive, etc.
  Wes
  
 
  Tony wrote:  Try de...@conranch.com;
  
  Wes,  Maybe it's time to break out the kool aid and participate in
 another
  learning experience.  The price of feathers has always seemed
 prohibitive to
  me.  I have to save my pennies forever to get decent feathers unless
 someone
  takes pity and sends me some.  I kinda hate to go online and beg every
 time
  I need(think I need) something.
  I haven't gone the kool aid route myself, but I have been reading and
  watching.
  Rodger
 
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Re: [VFB] FW: My health

[Joyce Westphal]

Thanks for the update..our prayers will be with you as you face this serious
struggle. Joyce

On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM, jim phillips desert-tr...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Below is what I sent to family

 *May your GOD be your fishing partner.  *
 **





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 As most of you, my friends, know, I have been having some serious health
 problems. First it was diabetes, then I went through the Hep C combo
 treatment program until my viral load was undetectable. I have never been so
 sick. Tired, lost weight (157), depressed and dreams from Viet Nam. I was
 added to the transplant list for my liver. I started the required tests and
 then I got really sick. I developed Ascities and had to go in weekly to have
 excess fluid drained from behind my stomach - 6 liters each week was
 removed. They did the TIPS procedure where they put a shunt on the hepatic
 artery (it worked for awhile). I was going in 1-3 times a week for Blood
 Tests and to see one of six doctors. I have had numerous X-rays, CAT Scans,
 MRI's and every x-ray type test there is. Was scheduled for My teeth to be
 pulled but then they found out about my heart. They will do NO
 surgery/procedures as they feel that I would be at high risk to have a heart
 attack during the operation. During one of the tests they were going to put
 a shunt on my main heart artery and that's when they found 7 arteries/veins
 blocked from 70-90%. I have seen social workers for PTSD (need help here)
 have to get more information and then I can see the Psychiatrist* *and
 geriatric home care.

 Now during all this I had close to 20 hospital stays (just got out Monday
 after four days). I am fighting high sodium (I do not use salt) and when it
 goes to high, I do not know what I am doing. I become confused, forgetful,
 and loose my equilibrium. I use a cane daily, a walker when we go shopping
 (if I have any energy to shop) and will be getting an electric scooter in a
 couple of months. All but one, I don't know that I was in the hospital for
 three -five days. I pissed in ER, had bowel movement in my room, tried to
 kill the nurses and do not remember anything (STILL) They had to move me to
 different room do to other patient's complaints. The last couple of days I
 became lucid and was usually released on the fifth day.
 My poor wife has to transport me to the VA as we do not have ambulance
 service that is affordable. We live 60 miles from the VA Hospital and it has
 become very expensive. This has been the longest period out of the hospital
 all year. It has been hell on me. I take this liquid that is so sweet and
 sickening so but it makes me more like I was in addition to giving me
 diarrhea (they want me to have three to four bowel movements a day to
 cleanse my system, So I pee and shit a lot daily (one day 11 bowel
 movements. Still am slow but it is better than before. Six weeks ago I was
 hospitalized for 16 days due to excessive fluid (They could not drain me so
 I was given water pills. Anyway two weeks before I weighed 157 and when I
 was admitted I weighed 205. So many tests and basically I am just waiting to
 die. When is anyone's guess. But still go in each Monday for blood work and
 each Wednesday to see one of my six doctors. It has been very expensive for
 the outpatient care as I have to pay for lunch two days a week and a taxi
 once a week. Oh, I can't drive my truck, looks like I am drunk - all over
 the road.

 Well, there it is. Call or email if you have further questions. Butch, how
 is the Member in Need process going? Miss all my VFW and Cootie friends
 and all my other friends and relatives.
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Re: [VFB] Was fishing this am. Now Lasik- threading the eye of a hook

[Joyce Westphal]

The trouble with Lasik is that it is NOT permanent. This is because your
eyes will continue to get more far sighted, presbyopic as you get older, so
the Lasik will only last for about 4-6 years and then it will no longer be
so effective. We are currently doing a neat operation for people whose eyes
are so out of focus but  knowing the eyes will change, and being either so
myopic or presbyopic that contacts are  not a good option, in which the lens
is actually put inside the eye, rather like one does with a cataract surgery
intraocular lens, but without removing any of the eye, as is done when there
is a cataract. So far it is in a rather experimental stage, but the ones we
have done have been very successful. Perhaps you will want consider waiting
a bit before you have Lasik and see if this might be an option for you.  You
get rid of the glasses and can change out the implanted lens as your eye
changes.  One of the complications of Lasik, though it has improved, is an
increase in glare at night and seeing haloes. Some people don't have much
problem with this, others get much increased glare and distortion.  Of the
three people I know  who are good friends, who have had Lasik, they all
loved the Lasik at first, but all three are now wearing glasses due to the
natural changes in the eye from growing  older. Whatever you do, be sure to
check out the pros and cons.  Joyce

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Re: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter

[Joyce Westphal]

I melt with the cautery with no problems.  Any left over plastic will simply
burn off the end of it when you are done..just push the on button with
nothing on the end. I don't think the cautery cares what i burns and melts.
 When you use the cautery,just hold it really close to the end of the mono
and it will ball up. Joyce

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Rodger Oleson rodger...@argontech.netwrote:

  Thanks, DonO and Joyce,  Maybe I need to explain further.  I too can and
 do make mono eyes from several sizes of monofilament line.  That is not the
 problem.  The problem is getting the mono to fuse together.  I'm gonna try
 and acquire some different brands of mono to try, but of the four I've tried
 so far, they want to melt away from each other when the ends are heated
 while holding them in a pair of needlenose pliers, hemostats, or tweezers.
 I will go dig out some of my weedeater cutting line to see if that works,
 and will report back.  I have several sizes of weedeater line, but may not
 have any small enough.  We'll see.
 BTW, can you melt the mono with a cautery without messing up the tool?

 Rodger

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Re: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter

[Joyce Westphal]

PS: have a cold piece of metal and just push the end of the hot mono onto it
if you want a flat eye.

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.comwrote:

 I melt with the cautery with no problems.  Any left over plastic will
 simply burn off the end of it when you are done..just push the on button
 with nothing on the end. I don't think the cautery cares what i burns and
 melts.  When you use the cautery,just hold it really close to the end of the
 mono and it will ball up. Joyce


 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Rodger Oleson rodger...@argontech.netwrote:

  Thanks, DonO and Joyce,  Maybe I need to explain further.  I too can and
 do make mono eyes from several sizes of monofilament line.  That is not the
 problem.  The problem is getting the mono to fuse together.  I'm gonna try
 and acquire some different brands of mono to try, but of the four I've tried
 so far, they want to melt away from each other when the ends are heated
 while holding them in a pair of needlenose pliers, hemostats, or tweezers.
 I will go dig out some of my weedeater cutting line to see if that works,
 and will report back.  I have several sizes of weedeater line, but may not
 have any small enough.  We'll see.
 BTW, can you melt the mono with a cautery without messing up the tool?

 Rodger

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Re: [VFB] Problem with tying this critter

[Joyce Westphal]

I, too, hold the thread with hemostats. However, I've found that weed eater
type cutting mono works so much better than thread  mono. I use all three
sizes..the great big stuff for great big flies and the size 6 for smaller
ones. I  cut off about 3/4 inch, clasp the middle with a hemostat  and
gently move the ends into my burning tool that I use to burn hair. It's also
known as a cautery  and you can get it from Chris Helm's site. I can simply
touch each end of the mono with the tool and it makes a marvelous set of
eyes. Try it..I think you'll find it lots easier and less messy (and less
chance of a fire in you tying room) than a lighter. Joyce

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Are you

 1.  Using the right kind of mono?  Some flourocarbons don't melt well.
 2.  Holding the flame a little distance from the mono and then moving
 closer until the mono melts.
 3.  Using too big/hot of a flame (heat beyond the flame is too high)?
 4.  Holding the mono(s) *over* the flame instead of feeding it into the
 fla]]bottom? (same
 The above is good for making any kind of mono eyes, although I like melting
 the mono into a glass bead.

 I use a candle and a hemostat for paired eyes, and 4 the monos gathered
 into a small coffee stir-straw.  You can also use one very large mono if you
 have it.  I have mono and leaders up to 300# test to play with = big grubs.

 I like that article- nice grubs, but for me they are too hard to the
 'feel'.  I have some grubs that consist of vinyl wrapped loosely over a body
 of soft chennille, using vinyl cement as I go to 'weld' the overlaps
 together.  This makes for a very 'squishy' feeling grub.  Use a bead for the
 head and hiliters for color.

 I'd like to try some clear jelly-rope for some grubs, also.  That would add
 a nice transparent look and stil keep them softer than solid mono.  Who
 knows, maybe that sparkle clear jelly-rope would add a little flash.
 Ribbing it with fine 'mirage' UV would also highlight the fly per the
 'sheen' of the natural.

 DonO

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Rodger Oleson rodger...@argontech.net
 *To:* undisclosed-recipients
 *Sent:* Monday, May 10, 2010 4:44 PM
 *Subject:* [VFB] Problem with tying this critter

 **
 *Help!! * I've made several tries at melting the mono to get it to look
 suitable for the heads of these grubs.  Mine seem to want to melt and bend
 away from each other instead of fusing.  I've tried wrapping them with mono
 thread before applying heat, tying them to the hooks shank before heating,a
 butane cigarette lighter, an alcohol burner and have about run out of things
 to try.
 I'd appreciate any ideas that might help me make suitable heads for my grub
 experiment with this fusing/melting the mono method.

 Rodger

 Fred Hannie Grubs


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Re: [VFB] test

[Joyce Westphal]

getting out just fine. Let me know if you get in OK. Joyce

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 My computer got an upgrade today just checking to see if I'm getting out
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Re: [VFB] scuttle fly?

[Joyce Westphal]

I think you are talking about what we call a Pusher fly..aka scuttle fly. It
is a fly tied in standard body pattern,usually like a bomber or quite fat
with dubbing, and then the wings are two feathers pointing forward so that
they push the water. It works well for pike and bass..also for trout at
night when you want a disturbance in the water. Joyce

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Mike Barrett jmbarr...@msn.com wrote:

  What is a scuttle fly?



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Re: [VFB] Tying Light Maybe?????

[Joyce Westphal]

Chuck, I've emailed Norm to find out if he can get the flexible arm lights
any more. I'll send you his reply as soon as I get it. Joyce

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Chuck Alexander
chuckalexan...@hughes.netwrote:

  Joyce: I couldn't find the light. I saw the magnifier, and the gallows
 tool. Am I going to the wrong place?? Thanks, Chuck
  t
 - Original Message -

 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Friday, April 30, 2010 5:30 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tying Light Maybe?

 Chuck, I have one with a flexible arm over my tying desk made especially
 for vises. You can check it out at http://www.nor-vise.com. I use it in
 combo with a big magnifying one. Joyce


 On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote:

  Has anybody tried to tie with one of these??? Are they bright enough?? I
 like the full spectrum part of it. Maybe if you had two of these to tie
 by??? I think I'll buy one just to see how bright they really are. I know
 13watts in this type bulbs don't put out a whole lot of light, but if the
 lens is the right kind/shape etc, and a reflector behind the light bulbs
 etc, It might just be a cheap tying light.  Chuck

 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Vision-Max-Full-Spectrum-Desk-Lamp/10983076




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[VFB] re: 50% off OTT lights at JoAnn's

[Joyce Westphal]

Just got an email that JoAnns fabrics is having a 50% off sale on all OTT
lights this Saturday.  thought you'd like to know. Joyce

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Re: [VFB] Tying Light Maybe?????

[Joyce Westphal]

Chuck, I have one with a flexible arm over my tying desk made especially for
vises. You can check it out at http://www.nor-vise.com. I use it in combo
with a big magnifying one. Joyce


On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net
 wrote:

  Has anybody tried to tie with one of these??? Are they bright enough?? I
 like the full spectrum part of it. Maybe if you had two of these to tie
 by??? I think I'll buy one just to see how bright they really are. I know
 13watts in this type bulbs don't put out a whole lot of light, but if the
 lens is the right kind/shape etc, and a reflector behind the light bulbs
 etc, It might just be a cheap tying light.  Chuck

 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Vision-Max-Full-Spectrum-Desk-Lamp/10983076




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Re: [VFB] Tying Light Maybe?????

[Joyce Westphal]

Look carefully at the light. The bulb should be two long tubes. A single
tube will not give you the light you need.  I found that without the
flexible shaft that I could not position the light from the foldable light
where I needed it to tie well without it shining in my eyes. Joyce

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have the Ott light that is very similar.  I love the light but miss
 having a long flexible arm on my light so I can position it where I want.
 My sister gave it to me so that is what I use. The Ott light keeps colors
 pretty true which is nice and seems to be easy on the eyes.  But if I were
 getting one I would go with a longer flexible arm.

 Mike

 On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote:

  I just read on down the page  to the ratings and comments. Out of 21
 feedbacks, 15 give it 5 stars, 6 give it 4 stars and no 3,2, or 1's. And
 they compare it to Ott Lights, which at our local Hobby Lobby is right at
 $100. Now I KNOW I'm gonna get one to at least try out, Chuck



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 panfishflyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:05 PM
 *Subject:* [VFB] Tying Light Maybe?

 Has anybody tried to tie with one of these??? Are they bright enough?? I
 like the full spectrum part of it. Maybe if you had two of these to tie
 by??? I think I'll buy one just to see how bright they really are. I know
 13watts in this type bulbs don't put out a whole lot of light, but if the
 lens is the right kind/shape etc, and a reflector behind the light bulbs
 etc, It might just be a cheap tying light.  Chuck

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Re: [VFB] Grumpy Tony

[Joyce Westphal]

It's that kind of day here as well. We've warm weather but the water is so
fast that it is impossible to fish right now. However, the wind is coming
up, a good thing, to blow out the smog from the fires we've had lately.  Im
concentrating on perfecting Don's rope dub technique so I'm a bit grumpy
myself. Joyce

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.cawrote:

  That's not good Tony. How the heck did it pop? My father has had 3 hip
 replacements - the last one at age 92. It's no joke. Was he overdoing
 things?

 Yeah, Jester's not a bad dude but he needs to tie some foam flies.


 Neville (Nev) Gosling
 Greater Vancouver,
 B.C. Canada

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 *Subject:* RE: [VFB] Peak Vise now Grumpy Tony

   I am grumpy today too, spent most of the day in the hospital. My son who
 three weeks ago had a hip replacement, popped the hip early this morning.
 Had to get him to the Emergency  room. Had it fixed by 3 PM and he will be
 in the hospital for several days.
 I am also Grumpy about the beautiful weather we are having and the Dam is
 releasing a lot of water. No fishing. Lets let this misunderstanding pass
 and shake hands. Both of you guys are friends of mine.
 Grumpy Tony

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 From: Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca
 Subject: RE: [VFB] Peak Vise
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 5:02 PM

  It seems that John Ridderbos isn't the only one who was grumpy today. I
 was just making a simple (I thought) comment that the Peak vise was
 underrated. I am sorry I even bothered now.

 'nuff said


 Neville (Nev) Gosling
 Greater Vancouver,
 B.C. Canada


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  I wasn't reading into your Peak comments *at all*. I was only wondering
 what you meant with 'equivalent'... the word... to reach a position where I
 could actually START to see what you were saying in your comment. Regarding
 this subject, I saw two possible definitions. 'Similar functioning' was one
 of them... and that was all my question was about.

 My link to Dyna-King (or even Dyna-King all together) had nothing to do
 with why I asked the question. I mention Dyna-King simply because I
 know more about them than I know about Renzetti. If Dyna-King hadn't been
 one of the vises in the basket, I would have picked the one I knew most
 about from the ones that were there.

 But now, with 'similar functioning' from you, my initial
 question is answered. So to fill you in on your own wondering...

 I don't need painting reminders *until* I've actually started pushing...
 which I don't think *queries* about *what someone is saying* qualify
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Re: [VFB] Re: Mayfly Vise

[Joyce Westphal]

fb...@centurytel.net is his email. You can email him and get details. Joyce

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:59 AM, George E Vincent k...@verizon.net wrote:

 Where can I see a picture of the Bach vise and get more information about
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Re: [VFB] Rope-dub swappers list- patterns- update Friday

[Joyce Westphal]

Don, Louis doesn't want me to share his pattern on the web. Thus I will be
tying some sort of Hobblecreek nymph. thanks. Joyce

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

 Rope-dubbing swappers:



 1.  Don Ordes...Soft-hackle fly

 2.  J. Balmer...

 3.  Martin Westbeek.Paraloop Emerger

 4.  Ashley Strutt...Seal's fur mayfly dry flies

 5.  Reuven Segal.

 6.  Jimi Gensling..

 7.  Chuck Alexander.

 8.  Rene Zillman..?  contacted

 9.  Mike Bliss

 10. Nick Runarsson

 11. Peggy Brenner.Bead-head nymph

 12. Joe Fusco, Sr.Diving Caddis Soft Hackle

 13. Larry Johnson.Burned-wing Adams

 14. Rick Zieger...Renegade variant

 15. Jack Lehman...Softshell crawfish

 16. Jerry McKaughhan...#20 bead-head case caddis

 17. Neville Gosling..Czech Nymph

 18. Pat Harnish...caddis larva

 19. Keith Passant..?

 20. Gary WebbPink Squirrel

 21.  Darren MacEachern?

 22.  Joyce WestphalLaMouch Louis?



 If there is a '?' behind the name, then I've been contacted but the pattern
 hasn't been selected.  If there is no ? behind your name, please email me to
 let me know you are still in the swap.  This must happen by April 20th.



 This should be the fastest swap you've ever been in.  Denny Conrad got the
 DVD and shortly thereafter was tying 3-color emerger patterns in less than a
 minute- the 1st time he's ever done that in 75 years of tying.

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Re: [VFB] Re: Mayfly Vise

[Joyce Westphal]

 My take on the Mayfly vise.  I find that it is smooth, but as the hook
 holding assembly does not have a cam it would never be a go to vise as is.
  If I were designing this vise, the handle would be a bit longer so it would
 be easier to rotate and it would come with a simple cam type mechanism. That
 being said, the vise is surely well designed. I especially like the arm..it
 has  a subtle downward bend that makes it for very nice hand rest and easy
 tying. And, the good thing, you can easily turn a Renzetti cam head into a
 lefty head, then put it on the Mayfly vise and tie right handed with this
 now a cam head .  It was good planning that allowed one, who needs a cam
 vise because of arthritis in the hands, to be able to do this switcheroo. Of
 course, the cost of the cam doubles the cost of the vise. Still, now it will
 make a great traveling, throw it in the trunk type of carry with vise. My
 thoughts. Joyce



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Re: [VFB] Gamefisher Outboard gas tank needed

[Joyce Westphal]

It will weld anything. There is a type that is made for the polyethylenes
which are what is used in bumpers..look for that. Joyce

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Chuck Alexander
chuckalexan...@hughes.netwrote:

  Joyce: I can't seem to find this stuff on any of the parts house
 websites. Are you sure it will weld polyethylene plastics?? That's what
 the tank is, and I have yet to find an epoxy or glue that is made for this
 type plastic. Thanks, Chuck


 - Original Message -
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 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:44 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Gamefisher Outboard gas tank needed

 Go to your autobody supply store and get a tube of Fusion, it is a 
 *methylmethacrylate
 that is used to weld cars. It is a bit pricey,  but it will lay down a bead
 of superglue that will absolutely seal around your hole. We used it to
 totally fix the rusted area around the 1982 Datsun windshield, welded in
 little preformed metal pieces and it holds wonderfully and doesn't leak. You
 can get either the fast or slow kind.  The fast sets up absolutely in five
 minutes, the slower in around 15. Be sure to wear gloves because you don't
 want to get it on your fingers. If you accidently do get some on your
 fingers, it will come off it you wipe it immediately with alcohol
 ..supposedly. We had to let ours wear off. We also welded cab corners and
 truck bed corners with this stuff. In our autobody class we learned that it
 is actually stronger than a true weld on metal and plastic. It comes in
 about 10 cc size or larger, has a self mixing spout and works absolutely
 wonderfully. Hope this helps. Joyce*

 On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Chuck Alexander 
 chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote:

  Folks: I found a Gamefisher 5hp outboard last  year in a local buy/sell
 paper. Well, the guy wanted $125 for it, which wasn't bad. I got over there,
 and due to a bad design, one of the bolt heads that holds the cooling
 cowling on, had rubbed a tiny hole in the (plastic) gas tank. Well, it ran
 great, but had this problem. So, the guy knocked it down to $75. I almost
 snatched his arm off LOL..cause that's dirt cheap around here. Well, my
 master plan was to fix the little 1/8 hole by taking a big pop rivet,
 putting an petroleum resistant rubber washer on the pop rivet, then rivet
 it in. Worked great. BUT, I forgot about the tiny gap between the rivet's
 body and the pin, so it still leaks a little. Well, it just so happens that
 the leak is very close to the head and I don't want to set the thing on
 fire. SO, does anybody know of anybody that deals in these type boat
 parts??? If so, I can provide you with all the make, model serial number etc
 ect. It's (I think) an early to mid 1980's motor. And this particular type
 plastic, I have tried every type glue, or epoxy there is, buyt nothing will
 stick to this stuff. I was just gonna take the rivet out, get a large screw
 with course threads and tap it into the hole, but I'm afraid it will
 vibrate lose and fall out sooner or later (sooner in my case with my luck
 LOL). Anyway, I have searched ebay, Craig's list, the internet and can't
 seem to find a gas tank. I know they made a LOT of these motors, and
 probably a Sears, Ted Williams, or a game Fisher either one should work
 cause they're all the same I think. Thanks a lot.. I'll even pay you a bird
 dog fee. I was just watching You Tube videos and these little motors really
 haul butt to be as small as they are and I'd like to do some fishing in the
 river this year. Thanks,  Chuck

 See our furled leader auctions on ebay at
 http://shop.ebay.com/you_wear_it_well/m.html?_dmd=1_ipg=50_sop=12_rdc=1

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Re: [VFB] Gamefisher Outboard gas tank needed

[Joyce Westphal]

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MAutomotive/Aftermarket/Solutions/Mobile_Repair/Plastic_Repair/Bumper/

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MAutomotive/Aftermarket/Solutions/Mobile_Repair/Plastic_Repair/Bumper/Check
it out here..it has a different name but you can see what this is. There is
also a polyethylene welding rod which you can melt and repair polyethlylene.
I found that by doing a google search for polyethylene bumper repair. Hope
this helps. They weld polyethylene bumpers in car class using the welding
rod all the time.  Joyce

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Chuck Alexander
chuckalexan...@hughes.netwrote:

  Joyce: I can't seem to find this stuff on any of the parts house
 websites. Are you sure it will weld polyethylene plastics?? That's what
 the tank is, and I have yet to find an epoxy or glue that is made for this
 type plastic. Thanks, Chuck


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:44 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Gamefisher Outboard gas tank needed

 Go to your autobody supply store and get a tube of Fusion, it is a 
 *methylmethacrylate
 that is used to weld cars. It is a bit pricey,  but it will lay down a bead
 of superglue that will absolutely seal around your hole. We used it to
 totally fix the rusted area around the 1982 Datsun windshield, welded in
 little preformed metal pieces and it holds wonderfully and doesn't leak. You
 can get either the fast or slow kind.  The fast sets up absolutely in five
 minutes, the slower in around 15. Be sure to wear gloves because you don't
 want to get it on your fingers. If you accidently do get some on your
 fingers, it will come off it you wipe it immediately with alcohol
 ..supposedly. We had to let ours wear off. We also welded cab corners and
 truck bed corners with this stuff. In our autobody class we learned that it
 is actually stronger than a true weld on metal and plastic. It comes in
 about 10 cc size or larger, has a self mixing spout and works absolutely
 wonderfully. Hope this helps. Joyce*

 On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Chuck Alexander 
 chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote:

  Folks: I found a Gamefisher 5hp outboard last  year in a local buy/sell
 paper. Well, the guy wanted $125 for it, which wasn't bad. I got over there,
 and due to a bad design, one of the bolt heads that holds the cooling
 cowling on, had rubbed a tiny hole in the (plastic) gas tank. Well, it ran
 great, but had this problem. So, the guy knocked it down to $75. I almost
 snatched his arm off LOL..cause that's dirt cheap around here. Well, my
 master plan was to fix the little 1/8 hole by taking a big pop rivet,
 putting an petroleum resistant rubber washer on the pop rivet, then rivet
 it in. Worked great. BUT, I forgot about the tiny gap between the rivet's
 body and the pin, so it still leaks a little. Well, it just so happens that
 the leak is very close to the head and I don't want to set the thing on
 fire. SO, does anybody know of anybody that deals in these type boat
 parts??? If so, I can provide you with all the make, model serial number etc
 ect. It's (I think) an early to mid 1980's motor. And this particular type
 plastic, I have tried every type glue, or epoxy there is, buyt nothing will
 stick to this stuff. I was just gonna take the rivet out, get a large screw
 with course threads and tap it into the hole, but I'm afraid it will
 vibrate lose and fall out sooner or later (sooner in my case with my luck
 LOL). Anyway, I have searched ebay, Craig's list, the internet and can't
 seem to find a gas tank. I know they made a LOT of these motors, and
 probably a Sears, Ted Williams, or a game Fisher either one should work
 cause they're all the same I think. Thanks a lot.. I'll even pay you a bird
 dog fee. I was just watching You Tube videos and these little motors really
 haul butt to be as small as they are and I'd like to do some fishing in the
 river this year. Thanks,  Chuck

 See our furled leader auctions on ebay at
 http://shop.ebay.com/you_wear_it_well/m.html?_dmd=1_ipg=50_sop=12_rdc=1

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Re: Picric - was RE: [VFB] colour chart / silk threads / silk floss

[Joyce Westphal]

So where does one obtain some picric acid or some acid dyed furs in the USA?
Joyce

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 Buggs said he wants to be hot-tub dyed with picric acid,
 so he can become a blonde bombshell.

 Dr. D

 PS  DonO got some picric dyed hare, rabbit (*sniff*), and mole from
 Iain, and it is really cool stuff.  The HR guard-hairs take on an orange
 hue
 and the belly hair gets a beautiful bright yellow.  The mole comes out
 with a real 'earthy' tone.

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 I have never heard of picric before. tell me more about this picric died
 fur... what is picric (some type of acid ?) and why is it good ?


 Picric acid is 2,4,6-tri-nitrophenol.  As with other highly nitrated
 products, it is an explosive.  However, it's also a BRILLIANT yellow with a
 slight orange tint and makes a great dye.  In the early years of its
 discovery (1700's, that's what it was used for.  Widipedia says its first
 use as an explosive was in the mid-1800's.  Probably when some clumsy
 chemist dropped a bottle of it and it went boom!


 Chemistry lesson over.  Now you can go back to your regular programming.

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Re: [VFB] A New Fly and Technique

[Joyce Westphal]

I don't think I'd call this a fly. I'd call it a synthetic lure as it
resembles many of the bass bugs I use on a spinning rod. Joyce

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wes,

 These look great but the real question is have you fished them and have
 they caught those big trout you shared with us on-line?

 Mike


 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Wes Wada wada@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi You All,


 I mentioned in a previous post that I have been very busy and involved
 with fly tying.

 For the last year and a half, I've developed a style and technique of
 tying using kids' modeling clay -- Crayola brand's Model Magic -- as
 a basis for new fly patterns.  These have included an October Caddis
 pupa, a Field Cricket, and a Dragonfly Nymph.

 Attached are the first three Green Frogs, in the order that they were
 created.

 Materials are: white moldable foam, polypropylene yarn, rubber legs,
 and various flash materials.  Coloring is acrylic paint and art
 marker.  The eyes are created with fabric paint.  All of this is
 mounted on a large stinger hook. The space behind the eye of the hook
 is where a new type of weed guard will be tied in.  There are a good
 number of ideas going into this fly.


 The frog's legs are springy and hold their shape, and you can make the
 shapes surprisingly fast. The legs are shaped with a simple jig I've
 invented.

 The body length, not including the legs, is 2 inches.  The fly is
 lightweight, a tenth of an ounce.


 I've developed a technique that solidly anchors the hook in the
 hardened foam.  That's been battled tested.


 I make about five frogs at a time, mass producing all the parts.
 Assembly is very quick.  The bodies are all quite similar, as they are
 all made at the same time, using the same tools. The basic shape is
 still in progress.  The variety of legs possible is a heap of fun.

 Coloring can take as long as you want.  These are early prototypes, so
 I didn't spend a whole lot of time coloring them, maybe three minutes
 each.


 Green Frog is the name of a common pond frog.


 These are hand-held digital photos.  I will be redoing the shots later
 with studio equipment. Also, the fly is still evolving, and who knows
 what it will be like or look like in a month or two.


 Hope you enjoy seeing some new stuff.  I've sure enjoyed the puttering
 around...


 Wes Wada
 Bend, Oregon

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Re: [VFB] Tony Spezio DVD

[Joyce Westphal]

I have and really like  Tony's DVDs. They are awesome, Joyce
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Tony's not a very good salesman, so here's where to get his two tying
 DVD's.

 http://www.tuholer.com/dvd.htm

 Scroll to bottom of the page.


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Re: [VFB] Head Magnifiers

[Joyce Westphal]

Got one..hate it. I find that a pair of reading glasses in the 2.5-3.0 work
so much better. Greater depth of field and not so heavy on the head. My neck
ached when I tried to use the head magnifier for over an hour. I tie all my
flies with a light magnifier, It shows up every flaw and is much more
relaxing on my neck and eyes. But, as previously said, when I'm away from my
tying bench to which the light is attached, and tying in shows, then the
reading glasses work great. Joyce

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am thinking of buying a head magnifier.  I looked at one at the craft
 store and it was $40 for one with one lens.  I looked at Ebay and they start
 around $5.  Does anyone use these and do you have any idea which one to
 buy?  Are the cheapies just as good for tying purposes as the more expensive
 ones?

 Mike

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Re: [VFB] TOE SACKS

[Joyce Westphal]

In South Dakota they are also called gunny sacks. The cotton bags that came
with feed in them were called feed sacks. My mother would insist that he buy
his feed in lots of three bags each so she could make me and my sisters
dresses out of the printed feed sacks. She was a great seamstress and we had
some really neat clothes from this source of fabric.  You brought back fond
memories. Joyce

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  In Indiana they are called gunny sacks.  :
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunny_sack

 The cotton bags with patterns were called feed sacks.


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Re: [VFB] Greenwells Glory

[Joyce Westphal]

Thanks..I shall try this. Do you use the gap of the hook as a measure for
wing width? Joyce

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Joyce,
 The wings can be down, up, outward or inward. It depends on the pattern. In
 any case they are tied in the same way. The biggest mistake most make on
 tying in the wings is that they use the wrong part of the feather. If you
 hold the quill up to a light, you will see a distinct line out from the
 stem. Some call it the Blood line. If the barbs are cut off with the blood
 line on them when tying them in at this point,, the barbs will split. Cut
 the section behind the blood line to use as wings. If you leave these on,
 tie in the wings behind this line, it is actually the softer part of the
 barbs. In most cases, use a marched set of quills, right and left. Cut an
 equal number of barbs from each side, count the barbs and use a dubbing
 needle to separate them. Match them up either up, down, in or out. Place
 them in position and bring the thread up through your holding fingers and
 drop the bobbin. This will put a light crease in the barbs. Sometime taking
 a finger nail and pressing it where the thread is, forming a deeper crease
 will help, Now pull straight down on the thread and bring it around back in
 the crease while squeezing the wing as tight as you can with your two
 fingers. Make a second wrap and the wings should be set. If you notice any
 rolling off to one side, make the adjustment before the second thread wrap.
 Another way to make the wing from a large feather ts to cut a wide section
 of barbs from one side. Then fold them so that they match. In or out, up
 or down, tie them in as above.. I hope this helps
 If not, let me know.
 Tony

 --- On *Sun, 1/31/10, Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com

 Subject: Re: [VFB] Greenwells Glory
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:57 PM


 OK, since you've mentioned wets, I'd be interested in any tips or tricks
 for tying in wet fly wings. Mine always look a mashed mess. Do you point the
 ends up or down? I await your reply. I'm thinking I might just have to try a
 few. Joyce

 On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Anthony Spezio 
 bambot...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=bambot...@yahoo.com
  wrote:

 Looks like there will be three of us tying the old wet flies.
 Tony

 --- On *Sun, 1/31/10, Dail Graham 
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 * wrote:


 From: Dail Graham d...@positech.nethttp://mc/compose?to=d...@positech.net
 

 Subject: Re: [VFB] Greenwells Glory
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=vfb-m...@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 12:33 PM


 Nevulle-  Thank you.  I have some furnace hackle.   I was confused with
 the term Greenwell.  I am going to tie some wets at Sowbug and wanted to
 have the right materialsDail

 - Original Message -
  *From:* Neville Gosling http://mc/compose?to=nev.gosl...@shaw.ca
 *To:* 
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 *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:07 AM
 *Subject:* RE: [VFB] Greenwells Glory

 Dail:

 It is a furnace hackle. Normally they are light to mid brown with a dark
 centre section.

 Neville (Nev) Gosling
 Greater Vancouver,
 B.C. Canada
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 *To:* 
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 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Greenwells Glory

  pacres-  yes tied by McPhail.What is greenwells feather?   I can not
 find any listing my catalogs.  Thanks for answering.   Dail

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 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Greenwells Glory

 Was this the video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7akiUJmLXM

 Materials are listed at the begining.




 On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Dail Graham 
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  wrote:

  Help   I saw a U Tube video  on tying  a wet fly called Greenwell's
 Glory.  The recipe was not clear.   What feathers are used on this fly?   I
 know someone on this list has the answer.  Thanks,   Dail Graham


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Re: [VFB] for Dail Graham

[Joyce Westphal]

Dail, you can often find primrose yellow silk in a fabric store that caters
to embroidery people.  Where do you live? Send me your address off line and
I can send you a spool if you can't find it. Joyce

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:32 PM, charles connell chuckc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Primrose is a pale yellow. Charles Connell


 On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Dail Graham d...@positech.net wrote:

  Iain- another question.  I have several Pearsols silk but are mostly
 standard colors ie, yellow , Green, etc.   Can I substitue yellow for
 primrose?  As far as I can tell Pearsol does not mark colors on the spools
 and the catalogs I have do not furnish Primrose.   Thanks, Dail

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 I
 Dail

 if you cant get silk where you are i can give you an address over here who
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Re: [VFB] Greenwells Glory

[Joyce Westphal]

OK, since you've mentioned wets, I'd be interested in any tips or tricks for
tying in wet fly wings. Mine always look a mashed mess. Do you point the
ends up or down? I await your reply. I'm thinking I might just have to try a
few. Joyce

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Looks like there will be three of us tying the old wet flies.
 Tony

 --- On *Sun, 1/31/10, Dail Graham d...@positech.net* wrote:


 From: Dail Graham d...@positech.net

 Subject: Re: [VFB] Greenwells Glory
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 12:33 PM


 Nevulle-  Thank you.  I have some furnace hackle.   I was confused with the
 term Greenwell.  I am going to tie some wets at Sowbug and wanted to have
 the right materialsDail

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 *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:07 AM
 *Subject:* RE: [VFB] Greenwells Glory

 Dail:

 It is a furnace hackle. Normally they are light to mid brown with a dark
 centre section.

 Neville (Nev) Gosling
 Greater Vancouver,
 B.C. Canada
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 *To:* 
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 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Greenwells Glory

  pacres-  yes tied by McPhail.What is greenwells feather?   I can not
 find any listing my catalogs.  Thanks for answering.   Dail

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 Was this the video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7akiUJmLXM

 Materials are listed at the begining.




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  Help   I saw a U Tube video  on tying  a wet fly called Greenwell's
 Glory.  The recipe was not clear.   What feathers are used on this fly?   I
 know someone on this list has the answer.  Thanks,   Dail Graham


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Re: [VFB] Lurkers (or NON lurkers) and asking questions

[Joyce Westphal]

Perhaps  I am out of line here, but I think that it is not the volume of
traffic but the quality that makes this group so special. I also am
impressed with the wide variety of tying skills for different patterns that
we can use as a resource on this net. So, thanks to all who have been so
helpful in providing me with answers recently when I was learning to tie
spider type flies. I have increased my knowledge, and skills, so much thanks
to you. Joyce

Subject: [VFB] Lurkers (or NON lurkers) and asking questions
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 Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 11:44 PM

 One thing I learned about asking a zillion questions when I first joined
 here. If you are a lurker . or not a lurker, and you ask a question. ANY
 question. no matter how simple it may seem. You can bet your last dollar
 that there is somebody else out there who wanted to ask that very same
 question, but were too shy, thought it was a dumb question etc.. I used to
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Re: [VFB] Re: Shipping flies

[Joyce Westphal]

I believe that one of the reasons I get my flies through customs with no
problems is that the pattern with all the parts is on the card attached to
the fly. The customs people know at a glance if there are any Cites
violations. Joyce

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

 I've been able to get flies overseas in my bank check-boxes by labeling
 them
 'gifts' or 'craft supplies' - value $10.

 Another reason I like the check boxes is that I can send almost* any type
 of big fly-
 mice, deer-hair flies, big sculpins,  poppers, also dries-without crushing
 the hackles.

 * I say almost...they don't make check-boxes for 14/0 to 19/0 hooks 
 flies.

 DonO

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 Depends on what customs office they hit. I wouldn't mislabel a package
 in today's climate. So when some inspectors see artificial fishing
 flies, they feel obligated to open the package and check for possible
 CITES violations. If they find a feather they'll request proper
 certification from the addressee, at a big price!!! Way too much
 hassle for me!

 cheers
 Paul

 On Jan 27, 12:38 am, Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Paul, what happens when you try to ship into the US? Inquiring minds wish
 to
 know. Thanks. Joyce

 On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Paul pm...@tallships.ca wrote:
  Hi Joyce, with respect, shipping out of the US may be easy, shipping
  into the US is another kettle of fish!

  cheers
  Paul


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Re: [VFB] Shipping flies

[Joyce Westphal]

When I do flies, I like to make a paper or cardstock about 4 x 2 that has
 the recipe for the fly on it. Then I stick the point of the fly in that
cardboard. Next, using big plastic bags, I use a kitchen Oster food sealer
to seal the fly and cardboard in a  plastic envelope. They arrive in perfect
shape just stuck in any foam padded or Priority mail box and are easy to
sort and send on to each of the flytiers without the hassle of twisted toe
tags and stuck together hooks. You don't need anything more..not even a box.
I ship all over the world and they get through customs nicely as you can see
what they are without the risk of someone opening up the box and spilling
the flies..and, when you ship through customs, be sure to put how many flies
you are sending. That seems to prevent the customs workers from helping
themselves to a sample. Just my two cents worth on what works really well
for me. Joyce

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:34 AM, J Balmer jbal...@a5.com wrote:

  I attach my flies directly to a toe tag, place that in a manila coin
 envelope  then put them in a mailing envelope that has a bubble wrap liner.



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 Behalf Of *scott bearden
 *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2010 11:13 PM

 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [VFB] Shipping flies



 I have never mailed flies out before and I am about to send out a few to a
 family member in Oklahoma who wants to make a shadow box of some of my
 flies. It occurred to me that I needed to protect them in transit and so I
 found an old cheap fly box that I can live without. If this gets to be a
 habit I don't want to buy cheap fly boxes. For those of you that mail out
 dry flies routinely, what do you use that is cheap and disposable to protect
 them in transit?



 Thanks,



 Scott Bearden

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Re: [VFB] Re: Shipping flies

[Joyce Westphal]

Paul, what happens when you try to ship into the US? Inquiring minds wish to
know. Thanks. Joyce

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Paul pm...@tallships.ca wrote:

 Hi Joyce, with respect, shipping out of the US may be easy, shipping
 into the US is another kettle of fish!

 cheers
 Paul

 On Jan 26, 5:25 pm, Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com wrote:
  When I do flies, I like to make a paper or cardstock about 4 x 2 that has
   the recipe for the fly on it. Then I stick the point of the fly in that
  cardboard. Next, using big plastic bags, I use a kitchen Oster food
 sealer
  to seal the fly and cardboard in a  plastic envelope. They arrive in
 perfect
  shape just stuck in any foam padded or Priority mail box and are easy to
  sort and send on to each of the flytiers without the hassle of twisted
 toe
  tags and stuck together hooks. You don't need anything more..not even a
 box.
  I ship all over the world and they get through customs nicely as you can
 see
  what they are without the risk of someone opening up the box and spilling
  the flies..and, when you ship through customs, be sure to put how many
 flies
  you are sending. That seems to prevent the customs workers from helping
  themselves to a sample. Just my two cents worth on what works really well
  for me. Joyce
 
  On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:34 AM, J Balmer jbal...@a5.com wrote:
I attach my flies directly to a toe tag, place that in a manila coin
   envelope  then put them in a mailing envelope that has a bubble wrap
 liner.
 
   *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com]
 *On
   Behalf Of *scott bearden
   *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2010 11:13 PM
 
   *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
   *Subject:* [VFB] Shipping flies
 
   I have never mailed flies out before and I am about to send out a few
 to a
   family member in Oklahoma who wants to make a shadow box of some of my
   flies. It occurred to me that I needed to protect them in transit and
 so I
   found an old cheap fly box that I can live without. If this gets to be
 a
   habit I don't want to buy cheap fly boxes. For those of you that mail
 out
   dry flies routinely, what do you use that is cheap and disposable to
 protect
   them in transit?
 
   Thanks,
 
   Scott Bearden
 
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Re: [VFB] Something different , Our backgrounds

[Joyce Westphal]

Not boring. It is always fun to learn about my friends on the list. I've
been lucky. Grew up on a farm with a well stocked bullhead farm pond and
could fish every day (except Sunday) after the chores were done.  Then moved
to Utah and learned to flyfish and tie..won my first vise with a tall tale,
in a contest.  I've fished here and when I go back to SD  I fish the
Missouri..another fine pike/walleye/bass area.
I'm a CRNA (nurse anesthetist) and still working. Hope to retire soon.
BTW, it's nurse anesthetist week this week. It's so good to learn from
everyone on the list as my tying and fishing with flies is a bit behind in
knowledge. Joyce

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  My bio is pretty boring.  Retired after 36 years as a chemist for a
 little pharmaceutical company in Indianapolis (Eli something or other).
 Two children, 8 grandchildren, 3 great-grandkids.  No. I'm not old enough to
 have great-grandchildren.  it's just that hormones break to the surface at
 an early age in my family.

 Took up tying later in life (about 30 years ago) thanks to the Indianapolis
 Fly Casters.  Learned tying, still trying to learn how to cast 'pretty'.
 I'm one of those I can cast well enough to catch fish but not well enough
 to show off to others type of people.  Kinda like my fly tying.  However,
 they've been kind enough to let me tie at the Sowbug Roundup the past 5
 years.  Thanks, Tony.

 Local fishing is pretty well limited to small lakes/ponds and some streams
 (I hope to hit more streams this year).  Planning on a Canada trip, a trip
 to fish the Smokey's with my wife, and hopefully another one to Colorado to
 keep her happy.  Her favorite fishing is wading a stream in Colorado.  And
 yes, she fly fishes.   The biggest drawback to taking her is that she always
 catches the biggest fish.

 Currently I'm helping with the club's tying class and am the so-called
 chairman of the local Project Healing Waters tying classes at the
 Indianapolis VA Hospital.

 Other hobbies -way too many of them - include building (assembling) fly
 rods, photography, reading, piano, and rooting for the GO COLTS

 Sorry for boring everyone.

 a.

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Re: [VFB] Black Hackle

[Joyce Westphal]

When you look at Denny's natural black feathers, you will note that there
are bits of green and red and even purples apparent as you look at them in
the sunshine.  IN nature, colors are never true according to AK Best. I
prefer natural black feathers, but, when I dye them myself, I use the hair
dye but I also put a bit of green or red in the bath. You can start by first
dying them a light green or you can mix the colors. Sometimes you want a bit
of a purple black hue (such as starling feathers have naturally) and even
overdying white feather that you've done purple and then black, while OK,
for me don't produce the wonderful hue that starlings have. I'd be
interested in the experience of others. Joyce

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:

  The one person that would give us the right answer is Joyce.

 Any ideas Joyce?

 Thank you,
 Alan Di Somma

 Why is it that at class reunions you feel younger than everyone else looks?

 http://www.azflyfishing.net/

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:42 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Black Hackle

   Alan, I think you would have to add a bit of Red to get a true black or
 is my memory slipping. Maybe it is a bit of Blue or maybe I should forget
 the whole thing and just get Black. Now I am confused. LOL
 Tony

 --- On *Mon, 1/18/10, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net* wrote:


 From: Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net
 Subject: Re: [VFB] Black Hackle
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:54 PM

  Funny you are in need of the black hackle.
 I just bought a bottle of black hair dye and am going to dye a white on
 black.
 I want to use it for bass flies.

 I have lots of grackles around here and I am half tempted to harvest a few
 with my BB gun.

 Thank you,
 Alan Di Somma

 Why is it that at class reunions you feel younger than everyone else looks?

 http://www.azflyfishing.net/

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 *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 6:22 PM
 *Subject:* [VFB] Black Hackle

   I was in need of some Black Saddle hackle and the Black Chinese Saddle I
 had was not the best. Contacted Denny Conrad  
 dennyhttp://mc/compose?to=de...@conranch.com
 @conranch.com http://mc/compose?to=de...@conranch.com and had him send
 me a saddle.
 I got it the other day and I am real pleased with a natural Black saddle.
 Really nice long feathers. No financial interest, just satisfied with the
 feathers.
 Arkansas Tony

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Re: [VFB] Black Hackle

[Joyce Westphal]

I get it from the cake decorating department in the JoAnnes or Michael's or
whatever craft store you have. Be very careful..it is permanent. You can go
online and see the frosting colorants and the amounts to use. I did a bunch
of purple goose biots and used about 1/16 tsp to make a cup of purple dye.
Joyce

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:

  Joyce
 Where do you get the purple.
 Is that from grape kool aide?

 Thank you,
 Alan Di Somma

 Why is it that at class reunions you feel younger than everyone else looks?

 http://www.azflyfishing.net/

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:09 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Black Hackle

 When you look at Denny's natural black feathers, you will note that there
 are bits of green and red and even purples apparent as you look at them in
 the sunshine.  IN nature, colors are never true according to AK Best. I
 prefer natural black feathers, but, when I dye them myself, I use the hair
 dye but I also put a bit of green or red in the bath. You can start by first
 dying them a light green or you can mix the colors. Sometimes you want a bit
 of a purple black hue (such as starling feathers have naturally) and even
 overdying white feather that you've done purple and then black, while OK,
 for me don't produce the wonderful hue that starlings have. I'd be
 interested in the experience of others. Joyce

 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:

  The one person that would give us the right answer is Joyce.

 Any ideas Joyce?

 Thank you,
 Alan Di Somma

 Why is it that at class reunions you feel younger than everyone else
 looks?

 http://www.azflyfishing.net/

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:42 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Black Hackle

   Alan, I think you would have to add a bit of Red to get a true black or
 is my memory slipping. Maybe it is a bit of Blue or maybe I should forget
 the whole thing and just get Black. Now I am confused. LOL
 Tony

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 From: Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net
 Subject: Re: [VFB] Black Hackle
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:54 PM

  Funny you are in need of the black hackle.
 I just bought a bottle of black hair dye and am going to dye a white on
 black.
 I want to use it for bass flies.

 I have lots of grackles around here and I am half tempted to harvest a few
 with my BB gun.

 Thank you,
 Alan Di Somma

 Why is it that at class reunions you feel younger than everyone else
 looks?

 http://www.azflyfishing.net/

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 *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 6:22 PM
 *Subject:* [VFB] Black Hackle

   I was in need of some Black Saddle hackle and the Black Chinese Saddle
 I had was not the best. Contacted Denny Conrad  
 dennyhttp://mc/compose?to=de...@conranch.com
 @conranch.com http://mc/compose?to=de...@conranch.com and had him send
 me a saddle.
 I got it the other day and I am real pleased with a natural Black saddle.
 Really nice long feathers. No financial interest, just satisfied with the
 feathers.
 Arkansas Tony

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Re: [VFB] book

[Joyce Westphal]

I have it and it is OK, not spectacular and I would not buy it again. You
can get the same information on the internet free of charge. Of course, he
only talks about furled flies and after you learn the technique, all the
flies look the same, just different colors of furled thread tails. Don't
know if this helps. Joyce

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, The Smiths aflyt...@comcast.net wrote:

  Does anyone have any knowledge of a Paper back byKen Hanley titled Tying
 Furled Flies?
 Gary S.

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Re: [VFB] Black Hackle

[Joyce Westphal]

I have, and LOVE working with Denny's hackles. They are oval in shape and
are a dream to wrap. And, he sends you the chickabou skirts as well as the
necks when you buy from him..a nice bargain. Joyce

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Tony,

 I've got one of Denny's black necks and really like it.  Very thin quill,
 resulting in easily wrapped hackle.
 Hmmm.  May have come off the same rooster that donated your saddle.  g

 Again, no financial interest, just a satisfied customer.  Here's his
 website: http://conranch.com/

 a.

  I was in need of some Black Saddle hackle and the Black Chinese Saddle I
 had was not the best. Contacted Denny Conrad de...@conranch.com and had
 him send me a saddle.
 I got it the other day and I am real pleased with a natural Black saddle.
 Really nice long feathers. No financial interest, just satisfied with the
 feathers.
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Re: [VFB] emails

[Joyce Westphal]

A busy weekend, but the site is still working. Just last night got to teach
some scouts flytying..what fun. They are great kids and are hoping to have
their flyboxes ready for their outing this spring to Boulder Mountain. Joyce

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:16 PM, scott bearden scott.bear...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think people are just busy. It would be a rare circumstance that Google
 had such a problem. Not impossible, but rare.

 Scott

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  Is the site still working? have not gotten any mail in two days
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

[Joyce Westphal]

You can find plastic beads at craft stores, such as Michaels and JoAnnes.
However, for tiny flies, glass come in the smallest sizes. But, the little
file works on both.  After all, glass is just cooked sand. Joyce

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:

  Joyce:

 Do you have plastic beads as well as glass beads?

 Thank you,
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 *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:17 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

 You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft
 store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and
 can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads.  I find most of
 my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are
 used in needlework.  Check out that type of store as well. Joyce

 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose
 much of a problem.
 I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb
 doesn't bend.
 I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove 
 set, but it won't just fall out.
 If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb
 hook.
 The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new
 hooks today.
 Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite
 a bit.

 As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size
 will be different,
 as far as how much bending they will take.
 Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it.
 Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility.

 Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the
 fly design.
 Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine.
 Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends.

 D

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 *From:* Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

 One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb
 down.  Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as flexible
 but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can try
 several and some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook
 is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone
 smarter might be able to answer that.

 Mike


 On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote:

  OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I
 took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook
 sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink
 Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for
 the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend
 in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end
 of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I
 have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret
 to this??? Should I just make the gold=bead head out of gold tying thread,
 or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

[Joyce Westphal]

You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft
store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and
can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads.  I find most of
my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are
used in needlework.  Check out that type of store as well. Joyce

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose
 much of a problem.
 I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb
 doesn't bend.
 I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove 
 set, but it won't just fall out.
 If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb
 hook.
 The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new
 hooks today.
 Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a
 bit.

 As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will
 be different,
 as far as how much bending they will take.
 Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it.
 Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility.

 Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the
 fly design.
 Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine.
 Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends.

 D

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 *From:* Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

 One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb
 down.  Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as flexible
 but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can try
 several and some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook
 is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone
 smarter might be able to answer that.

 Mike


 On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net
  wrote:

  OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I
 took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook
 sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink
 Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for
 the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend
 in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end
 of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I
 have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret
 to this??? Should I just make the gold=bead head out of gold tying thread,
 or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on
 them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck


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Re: [VFB] blending dubbing

[Joyce Westphal]

That is a lot of work..there's a much simpler way and no waiting for it to
dry. Take your yarn, synthetics and put that with pinches of the flash,
hair, whatever you want to mix on one brush. Rub the other brush against it,
like old fashioned wool cards. It takes a few minutes of rubbing the dubbing
makings back and forth between the brushes, and voila! perfect dubbing ready
to use. Surely beats the water method and the mess that brings. I'd never go
back to the messy, sloppy water method. Don't mean to rain on your parade,
but this way is SO much easier and simpler. Joyce

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  I just tried something that worked well.  Has anyone else done this?
  Beats getting dubbing in my espresso via my coffee grinder.  I found one
 hit on the internnet so it is not novel, but I also don't think it is as
 common as the coffee grinder method.

 I needed to blend some rabbit-dubbing with some ice-dub, flash dub,  quick
 descent.  I needed a good blend and no lumps in the blend.  So I filled up a
 tupperware dish about the size of a coffee-cup with hot tap-water.  I added
 the rabbit dubbing and then chopped up the other 3 dubbings over the
 container.

 I stirred until everything broke up and was a well blended soup, than I
 drained almost all of the water out, leaving the dubbing.  I stirred it one
 more time to make sure the quick-descent was mixed in, then I poured it all
 out through a paper towel to strain it and then used the paper towel to soak
 up all of the extra water.

 The result was a damp glob of well-blended hilited part-natural dubbing.
 Working with it damp gave me a very tight well-defined segment.  But I'm
 letting the rest dry so I can fluff it a bit and tie some fuzzy hares ears
 that have cool colors mixed in with the rabbit.  These colors will
 accentuate the segments more and give the fly some flash in place of the
 gold rib, which always get bitten loose.

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Re: [VFB] blending dubbing

[Joyce Westphal]

forgot to mention that you go to Wal mart or wherever and get two of those
wire bristled kitty or doggie brushes.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.comwrote:

 That is a lot of work..there's a much simpler way and no waiting for it to
 dry. Take your yarn, synthetics and put that with pinches of the flash,
 hair, whatever you want to mix on one brush. Rub the other brush against it,
 like old fashioned wool cards. It takes a few minutes of rubbing the dubbing
 makings back and forth between the brushes, and voila! perfect dubbing ready
 to use. Surely beats the water method and the mess that brings. I'd never go
 back to the messy, sloppy water method. Don't mean to rain on your parade,
 but this way is SO much easier and simpler. Joyce


 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  I just tried something that worked well.  Has anyone else done this?
  Beats getting dubbing in my espresso via my coffee grinder.  I found one
 hit on the internnet so it is not novel, but I also don't think it is as
 common as the coffee grinder method.

 I needed to blend some rabbit-dubbing with some ice-dub, flash dub, 
 quick descent.  I needed a good blend and no lumps in the blend.  So I
 filled up a tupperware dish about the size of a coffee-cup with hot
 tap-water.  I added the rabbit dubbing and then chopped up the other 3
 dubbings over the container.

 I stirred until everything broke up and was a well blended soup, than I
 drained almost all of the water out, leaving the dubbing.  I stirred it one
 more time to make sure the quick-descent was mixed in, then I poured it all
 out through a paper towel to strain it and then used the paper towel to soak
 up all of the extra water.

 The result was a damp glob of well-blended hilited part-natural dubbing.
 Working with it damp gave me a very tight well-defined segment.  But I'm
 letting the rest dry so I can fluff it a bit and tie some fuzzy hares ears
 that have cool colors mixed in with the rabbit.  These colors will
 accentuate the segments more and give the fly some flash in place of the
 gold rib, which always get bitten loose.

 DonO



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Re: [VFB] I got it, I got it, I got it LOL (OFF TOPIC)

[Joyce Westphal]

I used Lance's links and had no problem..they passed both McAffee and
Nortons 360. I wonder if there could have been a problem with the computer
you were using. joyce

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:12 PM, chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote:

  Don: Well, that would be my wife who is brilliant as she is the one that
 put all those programs in here ROFL... I finally got a mouse for my laptop
 (and what a difference it makes) but haven't gotten a router yet (Christmas
 prezzies for the kiddies and grand kiddies ya know). But I'm gonna hook it
 up directly to the Hughesnet modem and download and install AVG as I don't
 trust the windows security program that came pre installed. That's what I
 heard (read) about Trojans too. They lay in wait and use a command that you
 think is a simple everyday command to trigger it. And, they (the viruses)
 have to have a host to attach too, so they can live and it can be a pic,
 a file, and especially an exe file (Unless you're smart like Allan Fish and
 get a MAC LOL), and as soon as you pull that trigger , the gun goes off so
 to speak..I PREscan EVERY attachment I get before opening it with AVG. which
 is one of the things I like about it, you can scan files, pics, programs etc
 BEFORE opening them.  Ad-Aware is great at getting rid of things that won't
 always destroy, but will surely slow down your computer..Chuck



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2009 5:52 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] I got it, I got it, I got it LOL (OFF TOPIC)

 Chuck,
 from my understanding, a Trojan virus is what it's name implies- hidden
 (waiting to attack).
 You'll NEVER know where you got it, since it doesn't activate immediately,
 but needs a trigger.  The trigger doesn't show up as a virus, because it's
 not one- it just completes the virus program (opens the horse's secret
 door).  And the trigger can be anyting- a date, a keystroke sequence, a
 cont/alt/del- anything. I've even heard that they self-expand hidden
 compressed files to escape notice, and that they can see a scan coming and
 automatically relocate to a scanned section of the drive to escape.  This is
 pure evil.

 I run Ad-Aware, Spybot, and AVG too, so *you* must be absolutely *
 brilliant*, like *phenominally* *intelligent *to be doing the same things
 as *me*...Oh wait, that's *Buggs,* he says, same thing as Buggs.

 I visited Lance's site, and I like sir Lance a lot.  Cool videos.  Too bad
 he can't take the cold like a Wyominite can, tho.  LOL  He *is* a nice
 guy, and he looks just like my next bodyguard.  LOL

 DonO

 - Original Message -
 *From:* chuckalexan...@hughes.net
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2009 3:33 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] I got it, I got it, I got it LOL (OFF TOPIC)

 ROFL.. I hear ya.. and a password to use it that I thought up that they'll
 NEVER figure out... And AVG has caught HUNDREDS of viruses over the years
 and as far as we know (knock on wood) has never let any of them through.
 That's why I think Lance's links were clean. My AVG would have popped up a
 huge ALERT screen. We also use Ad-Aware (gotta be careful and get the right
 one cause there are two with that name and one of them IS adware and
 spyware, and we use Spybot Search and Destroy as well, Chuck



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2009 9:44 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] I got it, I got it, I got it LOL (OFF TOPIC)

 LOL, That's the best antivirus for kids- can't use it!  haha.  That's what
 I use- AVG Free.
 DonO

 - Original Message -
 *From:* chuckalexan...@hughes.net
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2009 12:18 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] I got it, I got it, I got it LOL (OFF TOPIC)

 Oh, they don't TOUCH this one ROFL.. This is Daddy's Christmas Prezzie.
 And It has all that, parental controls, I can see the history of anyplace
 anybody has been, and it has what I thing is the best Antiviral on the
 planet and that is AVG FREE, Chuck



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:13 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] I got it, I got it, I got it LOL (OFF TOPIC)

 Chuck,
 Seriously,
 You need lots of protection software if you're going to let teenage boys
 roam the neighborhood on your new pc.
 Just a caution.
 Your's should have come with detection/scanning software, but sometimes
 they don't.

 DonO


 - Original Message -
 *From:* chuckalexan...@hughes.net
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, December 19, 2009 6:44 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] I got it, I got it, I got it LOL (OFF TOPIC)

 Don: Thanks. That's what I'm thinking about the keypad, cause I think
 riding down the road a mouse might not scroll too well on my knee LOL.. I'm
 just glad to be able to have more than a few 

Re: [VFB] RE: Photographing Flies

[Joyce Westphal]

Or, you can put the fly in a clear plastic box, which many tiny items come
in and which you ordinarily throw away, then place it on the scanner. A bit
of scotch tape or Plasti Tak will hold the hook point and keep the fly
centered. Joyce

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote:

  I bought mine on ebay which is about 24 inches square for less than 20
 bucks, Chuck


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Taylor, Lance lance.tay...@sobeys.com
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2009 12:24 PM
 *Subject:* [VFB] RE: Photographing Flies

  More thoughts on this.



 A DIY Light box for under $40. I know my buddy 'Pacres' built one simillar
 and it works great. But I could not be bothered

 to clutter my tying bench with more stuff.




 http://www.instructables.com/id/Do-It-Yourself-Photography-Light-Box-for-Under-40/



 And really, we are talking about photographing small flies here after all,
 a piece of paper rolled into a tube could also work

 as a 'Micro Light Box'. Check out this sample with a shiny lithium battery
 in it for how well it works.



 http://tinkerlog.com/2007/10/14/micro-light-box/



 I personally use this contraption I had custom made for me, with an
 overhead flourescent light, as my diffusor.



 http://flyangler.ca/forum/index.php?showtopic=2527hl=photographing+flies



 Finally, low-tech, simply place them on a flatbed scanner – which works
 best for streamers,  buggers, etc.. with a white

 gummy eraser to prop the lid up. Get great even lighting that way too.



 Hope that helps.



 Lance

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