--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please Taylor don't rehash news from apple, we already know.
Thanks
I'll bet that the Rocketboom downloads that week - March 6-10 - rise
significantly if not radically. By early March this is going to be on
the cover of
This is random. But 6th of March is my birthday, yy!
Perhaps I'll bid to have them mention that it is my birthday.
Edmund Yeo
http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll bet that the Rocketboom downloads that week - March
I don't know, Edmund, what ads would they show for your money during
the REST of your birthday week? It's funny because my birthday's on
the 13th and I was planning on being the first to place a bid to
advertise on Rocketboom (as a supportive gesture, of course, knowing
that I wouldn't actually
Oh, er, wait. That's pretty damned expensive. And after the
conversion, it's even going to be insaner.
(1 US dollars = nearly 4 Malaysian dollars, it's obviously impossible
for a poor penniless uni student like me to get an ad. I feel... so
helpless, so useless.)
Maybe I'll spend the rest of
OR you could just make a funky robotics video, Rocketboomers love that
stuff!
Kitka
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Edmund Yeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, er, wait. That's pretty damned expensive. And after the
conversion, it's even going to be insaner.
(1 US dollars = nearly 4
speaking of robots
this came thru recently on
http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/system:media:video+watchthis
Ms. Kitka wrote:
OR you could just make a funky robotics video, Rocketboomers love that
stuff!
Kitka
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Edmund Yeo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
oops, forgot the link to the video
http://www.eugenemirman.com/videos/Robot.mov
Markus Sandy wrote:
speaking of robots
this came thru recently on
http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/system:media:video+watchthis
Ms. Kitka wrote:
OR you could just make a funky robotics video,
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OR you could just make a funky robotics video, Rocketboomers love that
stuff!
Kitka
I'm sure something can be arranged. Last year, I was actually planning
to make an old-school black and white sci fi with giant
According to the CBS interview last August, the space of a 15 second
ad is worth about $750,000 a year now @ 150,000 circulation. So their
reserve should be about $15,000 for a week of 15 second or $30,000
for a week of 30 second ads, perhaps $60,000 for a one minute ad x 5.
I imagine they
Actually, Kunga, if you take into account Andrew's post saying that
they were looking at CPMs of $50-150/episode
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/32269), that
would be approximately:
$50 CPM x 200 (ie. 200 thousand viewers) = At least $10,000/episode
$10,000/episode x 5 days =
Sorry, Kunga... my point being that their reserve could be MUCH higher
than a measly $15,000.
K.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Kunga, if you take into account Andrew's post saying that
they were looking at CPMs of $50-150/episode
i get the feeling that history is unfolding in front of our eyes.
awesome !!
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On 2/1/06, doron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i get the feeling that history is unfolding in front of our eyes.
awesome !!indeed.Interesting to see who's bidding
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David!
You have Google ads on your site, as does Minnesota Stories,
where you've been kind enough to lend your video.
So you must tolerate some degree of ads. Maybe Google ads
are unobtrusive and/or you can easily ignore them. Wouldn't the
same be true of a video ad, potentially? Esp. after the
I know that I said that I was going to take my leave of this
conversation but since my bud Chuck has now poked his nose in this...I
gotta reply.
Chuck. I do have Google Ads on my site and you are correct, I am not
completely against ads. You yourself have even complained about CNN
and the method
Umm I don't think anyone is trying to make a quick buck. And even
if say Rocketboom made some money I doubt that it could be
considered quick at this point. We're talking about sustainability
here. Not get rich quick schemes. They've been at it for over a year
with no revenue. So you don't
It takes me awhile to think things through sometimes (often.) I think
as administrator/booker of the Tuesday Saturday Flash Meetings that
there should be a Terms of Service stating among other things how
anyone with admin rights will use and reference the material in the
meetings, under which
Hey Dave,
Wow. Thanks for sharing your personal history. You've been through the ringer.
I agree... danger lurks ahead. Tradeoffs will be tempting.
But I (naiviely?) believe we can navigate the minefield.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen
I hope so too.
I would love to see anyone that does what they love to do earn a
living off it.
I was asked once, if money was not an object, what would you want to
do for a living? I said live off the sale of my paintings.
I got what I asked
Good topic for a vid conf tip - changing to a new thread.
Enric wrote:
It takes me awhile to think things through sometimes (often.) I think
as administrator/booker of the Tuesday Saturday Flash Meetings that
there should be a Terms of Service stating among other things how
anyone with admin
I'd be happy to get $5 - a dollar a day for a week - to exploit
someone for a five second increment in my vlog posts.
Any buyers? ;)
Susan
http://vlog.kitykity.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga.
Were you not
Done.
LOL, you just out ran rocketboom ;)
On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:25 PM, Susan wrote:
I'd be happy to get $5 - a dollar a day for a week - to exploit
someone for a five second increment in my vlog posts.
Any buyers? ;)
Susan
http://vlog.kitykity.com
--- In
Oooohh... be careful guys. David might boycott you!
Kitka
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Done.
LOL, you just out ran rocketboom ;)
On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:25 PM, Susan wrote:
I'd be happy to get $5 - a dollar a day for a week -
Obviously we've all got the wrong approach to making money... We're
thinking 'videoblogging' when we should be thinking 'video podcast'
See: http://geekbrief.podshow.com/
You just need to enter the podcasting world and wait for PodShow to make
you some sort of offer.
So to recap:
1. Create
Are you 5 years old?
Grow up.
David
http://www.taoofdavid.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oooohh... be careful guys. David might boycott you!
Kitka
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Done.
So, David, it's not the money you have a problem with. It's the
influence that money brings.
I wonder if other motivators/value-markers that can also influence
content are as soul-destroying.
For instance: I love my husband. Our love is generally a positive
thing. BUT: his influence has
Well what I love about GeekBrief.tv is a combination of Charisma,
femininity in the form of Cali Lewis as well as excellent
production values and BRANDING. Neal and Laura are really an
excellent team. Wonder where they are. And the Podshow HQ is in San
Francisco. Excellent. I'm seriously
You know. I never said to anyone that they shouldnt take money for
advertising on their blog/vlog/whatever you want to call what you do
on your website.
I am just saying be conscious of what you are taking the money for.
I could go on with another story about when I ran an internet radio
station
Don't you hate when you think of something awesome but don't grab hold
of it first? I thought of doing this a couple of week's ago and I
knew that it would be a successful publicity stunt, but I didn't do it
because my parents still don't know about my show and I didn't want to
do something so
I've not really been keeping up, I try to keep out of the Rocketboom social minefield, but I read the blogarithms link you gave. So if Amanda and Andrew will be making the ads and vetoing, I don't know how much response they will get, but then, 130,000 downloads per day, as global viewing
Bit over the top, David. There have to be ads on TV to pay for making the programs, it's not cheap. What we vloggers do is cheap, and it's a hobby, so we spend the money without any desire to recoup it. Some media sites probably have the same problem as TV - it's not a hobby, it's not done in
Kunga, Enric, Markus,I realise that this is probably settled by now, but calm down. People have different opinions, they express them. No need for a punch up. Remember, cat fights are for girls, stop betraying your hormones. Rachel (Alternative Kitten)On 30 Jan 2006, at 04:20, Markus Sandy
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:50 +0100, Rachel Knight
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bit over the top, David. There have to be ads on TV to pay for
making the programs, it's not cheap.
There don't have to be ads on tv, no more than there have to be ads
anywhere else. Is the BBC running ads now? I
Over the top? I dont think so.
There doesnt have to be ads in the actual videos. Find an alternative
to having Eat Rice Crispies every morning played before I am
allowed to see the video. Dont hold me hostage while I wait to see
the content.
If you want advertising, make it my choice whether or
Point Andreas. But BBC and HBO are paid for by subscription (or in the case of the BBC, by TV Licence). There is no subscription cost for most vlogs that I know of, so that does not pay for it either. And the only ones the tax payer would pay for are Government sponsored/produced items.
Not a problem David, but if the ads are your choice whether to watch them, then they won't pay as much, as they are not guaranteed as large an audience to target. As most vlogging is a hobby, I don't think it will apply for a long time, but anyone who wants to go commercial will have to find
There doesnt have to be ads in the actual videos. Find an alternative
to having Eat Rice Crispies every morning played before I am
allowed to see the video. Dont hold me hostage while I wait to see
the content.
David, the last I heard Rocketboom was going to place ads at the END
of their
Here is a simple solution for that. Took me all of 30 seconds to think
about it.
User clicks link to video.
Window opens with video in it and an ad placed below the video.
Solution solved. Advertisers needs are met with the displaying if the
ad throughout the whole video and the user gets
http://chasingmills.blogspot.com/ -- they do it.
Sure. A paycheck from my hobby would be nice. If Rocketboom is going
to place an ad at the end of their content, all the more power to them.
There are other alternatives to in video ad placement.
David
http://www.taoofdavid.com
--- In
David, I said most not all. I wasn't asking for you to give me an
example of another 5 posts/week vlog.
Obviously there are alternatives to in video ad placement, but do
they work? I know I'm having problems with those alternatives.
Kitka
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell
That's funny, I watch LOST on TiVo and have NO IDEA what 118118 is.
There are ads that I am missing by fast forwarding with TiVo.
On the other hand, some shows have ads that I enjoy. Entertaining ads.
I like the new BMW 'Video Podcast'.
I'm subscribed to that. It's all one ad after another
but what if the ad is a video commercial? this is where much new experimentation will be done... not image/text ads.On 1/30/06, David Howell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Here is a simple solution for that. Took me all of 30 seconds to think
about it.User clicks link to video.Window opens with video
I like the new BMW 'Video Podcast'.a believe you mean the BMW VODCAST ;-)
had to do it.http://vodcast.bmw.com/and yes, it is a great example.i still think bmwfilms.com is a great project as well.love companies that experiment like this.
SullOn 1/30/06, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
d by the crassness of those
statements:apologies in advance. i'll try to avoid reading email in the
morning from now on.
- Original Message -
From:
Rachel Knight
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:47
AM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging
Rachel Knight wrote:
Kunga, Enric, Markus,
I realise that this is probably settled by now, but calm down.
People have different opinions, they express them. No need for a punch
up. Remember, cat fights are for girls, stop betraying your hormones.
Yes, gentlemen. That's right.
Ah. Well...for me personally, I wouldnt run a video commercial. My
solution was an attempt to avoid the commercials in video.
While I am not opposed to ads on a website, my wish is to not
interfere with the viewers experience of watching my/the content.
I may or may not include an ad below my
--
--
I think the way they are doing it is analogous to those ads on the radio when
the dj
just has to basically talk about the product for a minute or whatever
If you are a fan of the dj's style you'll enjoy him/her regardless of the
subject matter
I look forward to
bottom line in my opinion is thisif your audience appreciates your work and is at least half-witty as to why you are trying such ad placements, then they should be happy to watch 15-30 seconds of this ad in order to support you.
if they are completely turned off by this approach and stop
WWWhatsup wrote:
I think the way they are doing it is analogous to those ads on the radio when
the dj
just has to basically talk about the product for a minute or whatever
If you are a fan of the dj's style you'll enjoy him/her regardless of the
subject matter
I look forward to
Charles HOPE wrote:
rob wrote:
it was mentioned that free lunches are a great thing, but i've not yet
found
one: but possibly u did.
distorting history to argue a point-of-view is akin to a free lunch... at
the very least, it's relying on others ignorance to press home an advantage.
Huh?
I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction.
I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom
EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power.
David
http://www.taoofdavid.com
I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking
David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188
Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog,
they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of their
show and making them
I've read the terms.
You know...maybe this isnt such a bad thing? All those people out
there that dislike advertising on the internet
(http://adblock.mozdev.org/ et al) may just stop visiting vloggers
sites with in-video ads and they will all go to those that arent
showing ads.
Yes. This may be
I think it totally kicks ass. bravo.
there's so much space in this game - if they were off setting their costs by subscription someone else would be whining.
BUT
I think we should all be thinking of interesting ways to get
micro-payments to work. because I wouldn't put adds on my
personal
Ms. Kitka wrote:
David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188
Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog,
they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of
How much would you pay for an ad free version of a video blog you
really enjoyed?
Bill
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've read the terms.
You know...maybe this isnt such a bad thing? All those people out
there that dislike advertising on the
Hi!
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ah. Well...for me personally, I wouldnt run a video commercial. My
solution was an attempt to avoid the commercials in video.
While I am not opposed to ads on a website, my wish is to not
interfere with the
Hi Andreas,
What you are referring to there is Subscription based TV. Nothing is free. The BBC charges us £120 a year just for having the technology to be able to recieve TV pictures, they call it a TV licence, it's like a dog licence except you don't have to take it for walks. As far as I know
you can take my old tv cable fees and divide it amongst yourselves.
actually, take half - then it will seem like a good deal and not just a
replacement
the problem is: how do we divide it up and pay it out from so many to
so many?
this problem already has solutions in the music industry;
$3 a month?On 1/30/06, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How much would you pay for an ad free version of a video blog you
really enjoyed?
Bill
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've read the terms.
You know...maybe this isnt such a
$0.00
I already pay enough for cable TV and I am overrun with advertising there.
No amount of debate from anyone voicing the virtues of making a quick
buck from their online videos is going to change my opinion. Insert
the ads in the beginning, in the middle, in the end. I dont care. All
I know
No amount of debate from anyone voicing the virtues of making a quick
buck from their online videos is going to change my opinion.
The way I see it, they had the stones to gamble for a year making
content for free - dropped everything and went after rocketboom. It's
not a quick buck. Like you
I'm sure if you were pulling that many downloads you'd reconsider...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
$0.00
I already pay enough for cable TV and I am overrun with advertising
there.
No amount of debate from anyone voicing the virtues of
The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow
Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga.
Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several
people gave you flack about your gross generalizations?
As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for
others.
Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if
Andrew and Amanda have thought alot about the auction's short and long
term issues, and I believe they are seeking to strike an ideal balance
between revenue with transparency and sponsorships.
On 1/29/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not that I am an A-List vlogger by any means,
Personally, it's not my drive since my videoblogs are for me to muck
with video and have a record of my life.
...but I am glad they did it. It will be interesting to see how it
all pans out.
On 1/29/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga.
Were you not
I wasn't there.
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yep.popular tactic on some radio talk shows where the ads are almost entirely transparent from the regular talk show bit.it works well.for video it will be interesting. rboom can command such terms. often, thats not the case.
but i am happy to see andrew and amanda take control of their
Taylor is expressing his point of view, I think most people understand
that.
-- Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga.
Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several
people gave you flack
it's still a gross generalization - opinion or not
and i think you have no clue what most people understand (nor do I for
that matter)
thanks for speaking for him though :)
Enric wrote:
Taylor is expressing his point of view, I think most people understand
that.
-- Enric
--- In
I like you Markus and applaud the things you do to make videoblogging
available to people. However I find your shaming of Taylor disturbing.
-- Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it's still a gross generalization - opinion or not
and i think
too bad enric. if someone claims something about *all* of us, I will
free to disagree if I wish.
Enric wrote:
I like you Markus and applaud the things you do to make videoblogging
available to people. However I find your shaming of Taylor disturbing.
-- Enric
--- In
unless everyone is an inference to those who have a relevant interest in advertisingwhich is where maybe assuming can have benefit.ok enough of this hyperbole.cheers-Sull
On 1/29/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
too bad enric. if someone claims something about *all* of
Of course I meant:
IF THEY WANT TO.
Pardon my lack of precision. I doubt anyone here thinks I think
everyone wants ads in their videos. Of course not everyone wants ads.
I didn't think I needed to write that to express my enthusiasm for
Andrew's innovative approach to the problem.
Thank
Certainly it's your right. As it is for anyone to push back. I see
the distributed net as a competition of ideas, works, views, etc. with
no one in central control -- and I think that's overall beneficial.
-- Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kunga,
Try not to take it personally.
I think your comments and enthusiasm are welcome here. Its a big group
and people definitely battle out ideas sometimes. Don't let any one
person get you down.
-josh
On 1/29/06, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course I meant:
IF THEY WANT TO.
people often disagree in this group taylor, but you generally
characterize any remark from me as an attack.
please chill out. this passive/aggressive bs is old hat by now
and yes, precision in statements often helps
Kunga wrote:
Of course I meant:
IF THEY WANT TO.
Pardon my lack of
I went.
I saw.
I laughed. I did actually laugh. Laughing is a good thing. Something I
needed right now. Thank you.
Is it just me or does one of the woodchucks sound like it has a french
accent?
David
http://taoofdavid.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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