RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-09 Thread Rose Combs
06, 2013 3:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Raul, I doubt it, iClean overwrites already deleted space with jibberish and basically fills up your phone, at the end you get a message

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-08 Thread Mike Cassidy
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: 07 October 2013 21:08 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Actually, I'm running an iPhone 4 with 32 GB. iOS 7 was quirky

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-07 Thread Alan Paganelli
, October 04, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, First, since I’m running an iPhone 5, and its 32GB, this doesn’t really affect me. But, if I was running an iPhone 4, with 16 or even 8GB, I think this would

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Christopher Chaltain
: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Pablo Morales
: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:51 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, My question is: Why are people in such a hurry to download and install

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Mary Otten
Jonathan, I really appreciate your posts on this topic. I'm not so sure about consumer laws protecting U.S. consumers in this instance. I admit that I, like 99.9% of other users, did not read all that legal stuff that you agree to when accepting a software license. I have certainly written

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Terje Strømberg
2013 7:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, I think there are many millions of users out there who will probably disagree. I listened to the Today in iOS Podcast tonight and most

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I haven't seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. Is it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open most apps is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, a bit late on this. Doing too much iPhone training, which I'm not complaining about smile. I don't

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Troy Sullivan
memory space in our devices. . - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, a bit late

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Troy Sullivan
06, 2013 2:08 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I don't think it's a fact that new software is always buggy. That depends a lot on the software and the testing the software went through before it was released

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Christopher Chaltain
backwards. - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Cara Quinn
To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, a bit late on this. Doing too much iPhone training, which I'm not complaining about smile. I don't believe

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Ron Pelletier
? - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:51 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, My question is: Why are people

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Eileen Misrahi
: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. For Mac users, there is an app called

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Cara Quinn
HI Eileen, iExplorer is an app which runs on your Mac, which allows you to see your phone's file system and move files to and from it. My thought was that perhaps it might allow people to remove the unwanted OS download from their phone to free up the space they need. Now, I have no idea

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hey, here's a thought, would running an app like iClean help with this? Does the iOS 7 updates get stored in the Other section of the phone's disc space so that an app

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread Eileens Misrahi
Hi Cara, Thanks for the explanation. I'll take a look, as I am one of those who want to keep the older phone on 1.6.2. It would be nice to get back 3 GB on this phone. Luckily, I still have plenty of storage. Thanks again for supplying the link in your message. Best, Eileen Sent from my

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-06 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Hi: Does such a program exist for a Windows based system? Also although a bit slow 7.2 works acceptably fine with a 4. 6.2 was also slow with the 4 but I didn't hear anyone complaining about that. On 10/6/13, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara, Thanks for the explanation.

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread James Mannion
I agree with this. Yes there are some bugs, yes there have been bugs in every new version. I have been running IOS 7 since release date, intentionally ignoring the list so as not to hear just on and on about how terrible it is. My own experience has been that it has been like other early versions

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, Maybe it depends on your level of expectations, and perception. I thought IOS 6 on an iPhone 4 was slow. I’ve used an iPhone 4 with IOS 7, and found it really, really, slow. haha. I mean, the hardware is three and a half years old, has 512MB of RAM, 1 core, etc. And we are now talking

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Pablo Morales
bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Ricardo, I understand Pablo's frustration to some degree. However, Pablo has an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 4 and he chose, and chose is the important word here, to upgrade both devices to iOS 7. He complained just as much a year ago

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Christopher Chaltain
If we're talking about IOS 7 then the comparison has to be with an iPhone 4 running IOS 7 versus the same iPhone 4 running IOS 6. Of course the new iPhone 5s will perform better with IOS 7 than an iPhone 4. the same was true with IOS 6. I myself am running IOS 7 on an iPhone 4S, and I don't

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Regina Alvarado
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Dawn Petty
: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread tcorson2
and is taking up that space. Donna tcors...@cfl.rr.com -Original Message- From: Regina Alvarado Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 10:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I have a question

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Regina Alvarado
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Dawn Petty
02, 2013 11:44 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. Is it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open most apps is a bit

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, Yeah. I pointed out most of what you mentioned below. But, being able to work with something doesn’t mean that it will work well. I mean, I remember Windows XP minimum requirements were a joke. Maybe, you could get a machine running with Microsofts posted minimum requirements but, I

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Dawn Petty
] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Ron Pelletier
: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 9:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-05 Thread Ron Pelletier
@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Pablo Morales
- From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
the graphic appearance? - Original Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Neal Ewers
, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Alan Paganelli
To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
- From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Gary Petraccaro
...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Christopher Chaltain
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who are concerned here either loaded

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Pablo Morales
it when ever we want, if we want. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. One thing

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread David Chittenden
...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. One thing to keep in mind here is that you didn't buy a blank memory stick or a device where you can load

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Christopher Chaltain
04, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. One thing to keep in mind here is that you didn't buy a blank memory stick or a device where you can load your own operating system. You didn't just buy a piece of hardware

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Pablo Morales
, 2013 4:24 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. So, you have two choices currently. You can go with Apple, who is focused on user experience. This company has learned that the vast majority of their users prefers the upgraded

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Ricardo Walker
available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Jonathan Mosen
. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, it could

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Ricardo, I understand Pablo's frustration to some degree. However, Pablo has an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 4 and he chose, and chose is the important word here, to upgrade both devices to iOS 7. He complained just as much a year ago when he upgraded from iOS 5 to iOS 6 which is why Raul posted

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-03 Thread Ricardo Walker
Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, it could

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-03 Thread Pablo Morales
, 2013 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-03 Thread Dawn Petty
, September 27, 2013 1:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi all, I too am using an iPod Touch 5th gen, and I don't feel any of the temporary bugs in the IOS7 are impacting my use of my device

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-03 Thread Alan Paganelli
To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. Is it slower than my iPhone 5

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-03 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-03 Thread Pete Nalda
: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. Is it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. -

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Mike Arrigo
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again, that this OS is still ugly! lol! Just because we're female doesn't mean we automatically like bright gaudy colors or stark

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Chris H
Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Cristóbal
: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Wow, nice sexist comments here

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Scott Duck
. Thanks, Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Troy Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Rick Alfaro
: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Duck Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 3:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Guys, Yeah, my sighted wife hates the new

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Pablo Morales
To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-02 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need the gps, So 5 seconds

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-01 Thread Ricardo Walker
in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-01 Thread BroxiBear
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-01 Thread Cara Quinn
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again, that this OS is still ugly! lol! Just because we're female doesn't mean we automatically like bright gaudy colors or stark

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-01 Thread Cara Quinn
30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-01 Thread Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 7:20 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cait, If I were going to get the 5C, I'd definitely get the pink one! :) IN fact, I wish the 5S came in colors! I actually like the feel of the 5C

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-01 Thread Mike Reiser
, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, Sure. But if only 10% of all devices are running IOS 6 in say 3 months

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread Ricardo Walker
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread David Chittenden
--Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread Aman Singer
: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread Pablo Morales
? , - Original Message - From: Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 1:29 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Susan, I can't answer your question about iOS

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread Aman Singer
Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread Christopher Chaltain
: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread Ron Pelletier
@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:17 AM To: viphone Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, Sure. But if only 10% of all devices are running IOS 6 in say 3 months, why would a developer

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread Cara Quinn
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread Mary Otten
. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread Mary Otten
, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-29 Thread gregoryscott
You wrote: In short I feel that there is absolutely no reason why somebody who has an iPhone 4, 4S or 5 shouldn't upgrade. My reply: I find IOS7 to be ugly and hard to read. The improved functionality does not add enough to overcome my dislike of the new design. I

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Aman Singer
, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Christopher Chaltain
- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Susan
Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Chris H
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Chris H
To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Susan
mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Andy Baracco
Singer Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Andy Baracco
: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Arnold Schmidt
4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Singer Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Mary Otten
- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Mary Otten
Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread eric oyen
Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb

Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad

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