RE: need recording app that I can label and send to pc

[Neal Ewers]

Yes, you can have it start recording when you open the app. The only problem
is that the recording now begins with the VoiceOver announcement of the app
being opened which is picked up by the microphone. It doesn't save me that
much time to have it start recording when the app opens, because there are
not all that many buttons on the screen. Thanks for the reminder though.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: need recording app that I can label and send to pc

Neal and list,

You can also configure Dropvox to begin recording immediately when you
launch the app, which is a huge time saver.

Grant

On 3/27/13, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> Hi all, Thanks for the DropVox suggestion. It is very nice in that it 
> uploads to DropBox without your having to do anything like manually 
> sharing the file. I am not happy with the limited audio quality, but 
> they say that in version 2.0, one will be able to change this. I hope 
> it continues to be accessible. Oh, and that's the other nice thing. 
> There is very little on the screen and the record button is very well 
> labeled. You just tap on the screen and it starts recording. Tap again 
> and recording stops, and the file is automatically exported to 
> DropBox. Of course, you have to have dropBox on your device. You can 
> also set it to only transfer if there is Wi-Fi available. This way, if 
> you're out and around with no wireless signal, it will wait until it 
> sees a wireless system to which you are connected to transfer the 
> file. Of course, you can also tell it to work when wireless is not 
> available.
>
> A very nice, simple app.
>
> Neal
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: need recording app that I can label and send to pc
>
> Great solution.  I thought List Recorder might do the trick, but I 
> can't get it to use the item label as the file name, it just uses date 
> and time, but Email is the only option there.  Of course, you can 
> rename the attachment when you save it on your machine.
> Richard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chuck Dean
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:01 PM
> To: VIPhone
> Subject: Re: need recording app that I can label and send to pc
>
> Hi Jo,
> How about Dropvox? Only $2.00.
> here is a link:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dropvox/id416288287?mt=8
>
> This app will allow you to record what you want, and them it will send 
> the
> MP4 to a folder in your Dropbox account. When it sends the recording 
> it uses the date and time as the file name, which you can change in 
> the dropbox folder.
>
> Now you can leave the recording in your Dropbox folder and simply have 
> a link to the recording in the file on your PC.
> Of course you will also need a dropbox account on your PC .
> Here is a link:
> https://www.dropbox.com
>
> Chuck
>
> On Mar 26, 4:54 pm, Jodie Hoger  wrote:
>> Hi Richard, I do have a light thingy however there is a great deal of
> information that goes on these documents and the most difficult issue 
> is that I cover a huge geographical area so I don't see many of my 
> students face to face. That is why I am trying to come up with a 
> recording solution
> -
> smile.
>> Thanks,
>> Jo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 27/03/2013, at 10:30 AM, Richard Turner 
>> 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > APH used to sell a light probe called the LumiTest that could also 
>> > be
> used to find where print was on a page. With practice, you could find 
> a solid line and use it to figure where to sign.
>>
>> > Richard
>> > (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)
>>
>> > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Jodie Hoger  wrote:
>>
>> >> Hi List, In my job I need to get student signatures confirming I 
>> >> can
> share their details with appropriate teachers. the problem is that I 
> am blind and my students are blind so between us, it is very difficult 
> to get a signature in the right spot - smile. What I am thinking is 
> that I can record the student confirming that on this date, they, the 
> signatory agrees that their information can be shared with the 
> appropriate teachers. I want to do this on my iphone but then be able 
> to give the recording a text 

RE: need recording app that I can label and send to pc

[Neal Ewers]

Hi Ari, I could have sworn that the upload only over Wi-Fi was in the
settings tab of the version I am currently using. However, I don't see it
there now. I guess the mind is going. Perhaps it needs Wi-Fi as well. It is
mentioned, as you suggest, in the what's coming in 2.0. So, I think you are
right. I am assuming though, that if one has a Wi-Fi connection and has
directed the phone to use it, that the transfer does take place through that
medium. Thanks for the correction.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arianna
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: need recording app that I can label and send to pc

Neil, I got the impression that the upload only over Wi-Fi thing was
supposed to be an upcoming feature of version 2.0? It looks this way. If so,
then I might actually get Dropvox, since I've been looking for a way to
replace the Voice Memos app.


Thanks,
Ari

On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:36 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

> Hi all, Thanks for the DropVox suggestion. It is very nice in that it 
> uploads to DropBox without your having to do anything like manually 
> sharing the file. I am not happy with the limited audio quality, but 
> they say that in version 2.0, one will be able to change this. I hope 
> it continues to be accessible. Oh, and that's the other nice thing. 
> There is very little on the screen and the record button is very well 
> labeled. You just tap on the screen and it starts recording. Tap again 
> and recording stops, and the file is automatically exported to 
> DropBox. Of course, you have to have dropBox on your device. You can 
> also set it to only transfer if there is Wi-Fi available. This way, if 
> you're out and around with no wireless signal, it will wait until it 
> sees a wireless system to which you are connected to transfer the 
> file. Of course, you can also tell it to work when wireless is not
available.
> 
> A very nice, simple app.
> 
> Neal
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: need recording app that I can label and send to pc
> 
> Great solution.  I thought List Recorder might do the trick, but I 
> can't get it to use the item label as the file name, it just uses date 
> and time, but Email is the only option there.  Of course, you can 
> rename the attachment when you save it on your machine.
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chuck Dean
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:01 PM
> To: VIPhone
> Subject: Re: need recording app that I can label and send to pc
> 
> Hi Jo,
> How about Dropvox? Only $2.00.
> here is a link:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dropvox/id416288287?mt=8
> 
> This app will allow you to record what you want, and them it will send 
> the
> MP4 to a folder in your Dropbox account. When it sends the recording 
> it uses the date and time as the file name, which you can change in 
> the dropbox folder.
> 
> Now you can leave the recording in your Dropbox folder and simply have 
> a link to the recording in the file on your PC.
> Of course you will also need a dropbox account on your PC .
> Here is a link:
> https://www.dropbox.com
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Mar 26, 4:54 pm, Jodie Hoger  wrote:
>> Hi Richard, I do have a light thingy however there is a great deal of
> information that goes on these documents and the most difficult issue 
> is that I cover a huge geographical area so I don't see many of my 
> students face to face. That is why I am trying to come up with a 
> recording solution - smile.
>> Thanks,
>> Jo
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 27/03/2013, at 10:30 AM, Richard Turner 
>> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> APH used to sell a light probe called the LumiTest that could also 
>>> be
> used to find where print was on a page. With practice, you could find 
> a solid line and use it to figure where to sign.
>> 
>>> Richard
>>> (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)
>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Jodie Hoger  wrote:
>> 
>>>> Hi List, In my job I need to get student signatures confirming I 
>>>> can
> share their details with appropriate teachers. the problem is that I 
> am blind and my students are blind so between us, it is very difficult 
> to get a signature in the right spot - smile. What I am 

Is there a paid version of digit-eyes?

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I just downloaded digit-eyes lite. Is there a full version that allows
more options? If so, what is it called. I couldn't find anything about how
to update from the free version. Perhaps this is all there is? Yes? No?

 

Thanks much.

 

Neal

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Having trouble selecting from app choices in the app store

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I'm trying to purchase Digit-Eyes. When I use my phone to go to the app
store and search for Digit-Eyes, only Digit-Eyes Lite shows up. I know there
is another version, but I can't remember and can't find previous messages on
how one gets to the other choices. I know it involves swiping in some way,
but I don't remember just how.

 

Thanks much for the help.

 

Neal

 

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I found it. was, Having trouble selecting from app choices in the app store

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I just didn't read far enough on the page until I got to the choices. I
was trying to slide up on the name of the app called digit-eyes lite and
that was not working.

Thanks.

Neal



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Having trouble selecting from app choices in the app store

On 3/29/13, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> Hi, I'm trying to purchase Digit-Eyes. When I use my phone to go to 
> the app store and search for Digit-Eyes, only Digit-Eyes Lite shows 
> up. I know there is another version, but I can't remember and can't 
> find previous messages on how one gets to the other choices. I know it 
> involves swiping in some way, but I don't remember just how.
>
>
>
> Thanks much for the help.
>
>
>
> Neal
>
>
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Near the bottom of the screen the digit-eyes lite title is where to put your
finger on that title, then swipe up and you should get to the next choice.

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Digit-Eyes label question

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, If I am ordering audio labels for Digit-Eyes, does the bar code size
change corresponding to the size of the label. I was considering getting
really small ones, but I wondered if that would mean that the actual bar
code was smaller and thus, perhaps, harder to read.

 

Thanks much.

 

Neal

 

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Digit-eyes suggested labels do not work

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I just purchased a set of labels listed on the Digit-Eyes site. I
purchased the Avery number listed, but the labels do not work. There are
spaces between the labels on the package of labels but not in the print out
I get from Digit-eyes. Have any of you run into this? If so, what is the
solution?

 

Thanks.

 

Neal

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RE: Digit-eyes suggested labels do not work

[Neal Ewers]

Hi JoJo, Please do not highjack this original subject. If you have other
questions, please find a different name for your subject.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of JoJo and Clinton
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Digit-eyes suggested labels do not work

 

I have never used the labels; however, lately when I try to scan a bar code
from an item that I've purchased at the store I get an alert telling me I
need to update digit eyes.  Has anyone else had this problem.

 

Thanks,

 

JoJo

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RE: Digit-Eyes label question

[Neal Ewers]

Thank you Nancy. I am using the 30 per sheet, 3 across and 10 down, and this
seems to almost work. I will likely go to the size you recommend when I run
out of labels.

 

On a related front, I find that when I follow your instructions to change
the PDF to keep it from over shrinking the file, I still get the bottom row
of labels cut off. If I either uncheck the shrink, or whatever it is called,
or set it to 100%, I can only do one at a time, I find that the bottom row
of labels is still partially cut off. The code is there, but the notations
in the corners of the label are not all there. What do the corner markings
do anyway.  I have not yet gotten one of these to read, but I may try again.

 

Thanks again.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nancy M
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Digit-Eyes label question

 

Hi Neal,

 

The smaller the label, the smaller the bar code.  We normally ship on the
labels that come 32 / sheet.   We can create codes on the labels that are 80
per sheet and you will, indeed, have to be closer to scan them.  The codes
that are 32 per sheet can be scanned from about 18 inches with an iPhone 5.
The tiny labels are about 1/4 the size of the standard ones and will need to
be scanned from about 6 inches.

 

It probably depends on what you want to label, but I've found that the
larger ones work better for me.

 

N



On Friday, March 29, 2013 4:02:20 PM UTC-5, Neal Ewers wrote:

Hi, If I am ordering audio labels for Digit-Eyes, does the bar code size
change corresponding to the size of the label. I was considering getting
really small ones, but I wondered if that would mean that the actual bar
code was smaller and thus, perhaps, harder to read.

 

Thanks much.

 

Neal

 

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Can I do a one way transfer from iTunes to my phone

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I seem to have done something strange to my contacts on my phone. Is it
possible to transfer the ones from iTunes to my phone without having the
messed up ones on my phone go to iTunes? If so, how do I do this?

 

Thanks much.

 

Neal

 

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RE: Can I do a one way transfer from iTunes to my phone

[Neal Ewers]

David, I have my phone set to not automatically sync unless I do it
manually. I know where that check box is, but I do not see the other button
you mention. Can you tell me where I would find it?

 

Thanks.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 1:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can I do a one way transfer from iTunes to my phone

 

Yes you can. The first thing is to make sure the sync does not occur. I
believe there is a cancel button.

 

The second radial button (I do not remember the name right now) opens the
section which controls this. You will find a one-time overwrite iPhone
contacts with whichever contact database you are using. There is also a
similar option for appointments.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 02/04/2013, at 19:14, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

Hi, I seem to have done something strange to my contacts on my phone. Is it
possible to transfer the ones from iTunes to my phone without having the
messed up ones on my phone go to iTunes? If so, how do I do this?

 

Thanks much.

 

Neal

 

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RE: Digit-Eyes label question

[Neal Ewers]

32 labels per sheet / 4 across, 8 down, 1.9 x 1.3 in.

 

Neal

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Digit-Eyes label question

 

Are the 32 per sheet arranged as 4 columns and 8 rows? Just to make sure
when I next get to the store to buy some. Thanks. I think I've only used the
3 column by 10 row sheets before.

 

  _  

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Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 6:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Digit-Eyes label question

 

Thank you Nancy. I am using the 30 per sheet, 3 across and 10 down, and this
seems to almost work. I will likely go to the size you recommend when I run
out of labels.

 

On a related front, I find that when I follow your instructions to change
the PDF to keep it from over shrinking the file, I still get the bottom row
of labels cut off. If I either uncheck the shrink, or whatever it is called,
or set it to 100%, I can only do one at a time, I find that the bottom row
of labels is still partially cut off. The code is there, but the notations
in the corners of the label are not all there. What do the corner markings
do anyway.  I have not yet gotten one of these to read, but I may try again.

 

Thanks again.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nancy M
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Digit-Eyes label question

 

Hi Neal,

 

The smaller the label, the smaller the bar code.  We normally ship on the
labels that come 32 / sheet.   We can create codes on the labels that are 80
per sheet and you will, indeed, have to be closer to scan them.  The codes
that are 32 per sheet can be scanned from about 18 inches with an iPhone 5.
The tiny labels are about 1/4 the size of the standard ones and will need to
be scanned from about 6 inches.

 

It probably depends on what you want to label, but I've found that the
larger ones work better for me.

 

N



On Friday, March 29, 2013 4:02:20 PM UTC-5, Neal Ewers wrote:

Hi, If I am ordering audio labels for Digit-Eyes, does the bar code size
change corresponding to the size of the label. I was considering getting
really small ones, but I wondered if that would mean that the actual bar
code was smaller and thus, perhaps, harder to read.

 

Thanks much.

 

Neal

 

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RE: Earl vs. NFB Newsline

[Neal Ewers]

Alan, NFB does not cover my local news paper and some others I want.
However, I am not sure I will subscribe to earl. The other reason people
might like it is that it is totally without searching around for things on
the screen. Some might find this easier.

 

Neal

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Earl vs. NFB Newsline

 

I know that Earl uses some voice-activated commands and that is different
from the NFB Newsline app but I'm curious why anyone would pay for its
subscription service. I would think that what's available digitally from
most newspapers is going to be pretty fixed and that each external service
getting access to the paper will have the same population of articles
available to it. If that is the case, wouldn't you want the service with the
lowest price provided the service features were comparable?

 

I'll admit to being new to reading newspapers with iPhone apps so I readily
admit my ignorance up front which is why I'm posting to get comments from
the more experienced.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: USB wall sockets and power bars, was: battery charger

[Neal Ewers]

I also have a Belkin combination surge protector, regular AC output and USB
device. It actually attaches to the wall and can swivel to various positions
to allow other things to use the plug either above or below it. It has 3
regular outlets and 2 USB ports. I like it because you get the surge
protector built in.
It is a Belkin surge protective device, model 37PH.
I am not sure if it is still made, but I am sure they have other models as
already discussed on this list. I would encourage one to use the surge
protector devices as protection against spikes etc.
A similar device can be found at the link below.
http://www.belkin.com/us/BST300-Belkin/p/P-BST300

Neal



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Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: USB wall sockets and pwoer bars, was: battery charger

You can already get Decora wall plates that have the normal 2 outlets + 2
USB plugs. You have to get an electrician to remove the old plate and wire
in the new one. These have been available from a company called Fastmac for
about 2 years, maybe other companies like Levaton make then as well by now.
The Fastmac product is called U-Socket, Dual Socket/ Dual USB, 110V,
TruePower.

I also have a Belkin travel power bar which is very cvompact, it has maybe a
1-foot cable on it to plug it into any wall outlet and then it has 2 regular
outlets and 2 USB ports to charge anything that has a USB cable. I believe
it was about $15.


Regards,
Sieghard







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Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:55 AM
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Subject: Re: battery charger

I like some of the iGo battery chargers.  Mine is an 1800 me"Ah battery.  It
has 2 USB ports for charging devices and has 1 recessed button to press to
charge devices.  When the device is charged, the battery automatically
disconnects.  It also has a flip down AC wall plug.  The battery is smaller
then a deck of cards and it can recharge a dead iPhone up maybe twice but 
it's intended to be used  as a replacement for a wall charger.I like it 
much better then one that requires you to use up another valuable USB port
on your computer.  BTW, has anybody tried one of the new 4 banger USB wall
plugs?  This a plug that you plug into a wall outlet.  There are 2 sets of
male plugs that plug vertically into a wall outlet.  That lets you use 4 USB
ports to charge devices.  I haven't seen one as of yet but it sure does
sound like it would really be handy.  You may even see them in the future
built in to homes along with standard wall outlets.
- Original Message -
From: "buddy liverman" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:17 AM
Subject: battery charger


> is the peak 6000 the best charger for my iphone? Do you plug it 
> straight in the device no cable needed. i put it in my wish list for 
> amazon thanks Buddy. i want a charger and battery that pluggs in to my
phone directly.
> thanks Buddy.
>
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RE: Earl vs. NFB Newsline

[Neal Ewers]

There is another difference between NFB Newsline and Earl. Earl can not go
beyond a pay wall. So, if a news paper has a subscription, you won't see it
on Earl, even if you have a subscription to this paper. NFB gets
complimentry subscriptions because the newsline is non-proffit. Earl is
managed by a for profit company unless I am mistaken, and there would likely
be a greater user cost to subscribe to Earl if they had to pay for
subscriptions. By the way, I have them both, so this is not a plug for one
or the other.

Neal

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Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Earl vs. NFB Newsline

Well, I finally got smart and realized that since there is an app out there
for just about everything, surely my local newspaper had one. They confirmed
that they had not one but two. I tried them both and found that one works
very well with VO and now I have access to the entire paper. I just checked
NFB Newsline at 11pm my time and noticed the number of articles is much
greater than it was this morning but they still don't appear to have the
entire paper. So I'll use the paper's app.

Thanks for all the helpful comments to my original question.

Alan Lemly

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Earl vs. NFB Newsline

That could be what I'm noticing with the Statesman. My sighted wife usually
reads the paper in the morning, and when she points out an article to me,
I'll go try to find it in Newsline, and I'll frequently not find it there.

On 04/03/2013 01:32 PM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> Hi there. One thing I have noticed with the Houston Chronicle and with 
> the
various AP newspapers is that they are updated regularly and newsline
reflects those changes daily. So for example if I start reading today's
newspaper and it shows me 10 local news articles, then I read it later on
this evening it will show more articles. I have not compared to the actual
newspaper so I do not know if it is showing me all the articles available.
>
> On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:
>
>> I've noticed that with the Austin American Statesman, the number of
articles in NFB Newsline is just a subset of the articles in the actual
paper. I seem to recall hearing that these papers, the Statesman being one
of the examples, changes the format of their digital markup fairly regularly
so Newsline is always playing catch up. I haven't found the normal on line
version of the Statesman accessible at all, and I wonder how Newsline
compares with other apps that give you access to the Statesman.
>>
>> On 04/03/2013 12:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
>>> Hello Don. What do you find are some of the differences between your 
>>> local newspaper in reality versus what NFB newsline has to offer? 
>>> Also just so you know, your message came through at the end of the 
>>> message you reply to instead of on top. Most people prefer that 
>>> replies go on top to make them easier and quicker to read with speech.
Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:11 PM, "Donald L. Roberts"
>>> mailto:donald.robert...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>

 On April 2, Alan Lemly wrote:
>
> I know that Earl uses some voice-activated commands and that is 
> different from the NFB Newsline app but I'm curious why anyone 
> would pay for its subscription service.

 I for one will do so because NFB Newsline's representation of some 
 newspapers is little more than a bad joke. When I compare the 
 Newsline version of my local paper to the actual newspaper, it just 
 frustrates
me.

 Don Roberts



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RE: talking goggles

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I have no luck with this app. I get lots of results with tap tap see,
but not one with talking goggles. I'm obviously doing something wrong. I
have it set to still camera, I hold it in front of the same objects I try
with tap tap see and take a picture. I get a message that says something
like no objects found. Tap tap see will give me amazing things like water
color picture of vases of flowers. It gave me the names of 4 different boxes
of crackers. Etc. So, the question is, why does talking goggles not work.
I'm in the same room. I have used flash on and flash off and the lights in
the room are on.  Don't know.

 

Neal

 

 

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Of Brett
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

Hi, 





This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you
having to take several pictures, if you need to check several objects. 


Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone


On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan" 
wrote:

I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:


Description of App


Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.

*   Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books,
products, artwork, text and more..
*   Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
*   Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
*   Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
*   Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream
for any familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it finds
something.
*   Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the
results in any other application.
*   Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search.
Or, if it is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a price
comparison.

Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camera at
it and Talking Goggles will tell you!

Want to find out if that product is really the cheapest around? Take a
picture and let Talking Goggles do a comparison for you.

Point Talking Goggles at a logo, and you will be told the name of the
company after which you can do a search for it.

Talking Goggles is particularly good at recognizing book covers and posters.
Try it out!

Reviews are very positive so far:

'This amazing application costs just $0.99 and is a masterpiece and could be
a new trend.'

'You really need to try the app to see exactly how good it is.'

'This app worked well and quickly. I took a photo of a few products from my
cupboard and it identified them immediately, and offered access to the
internet to learn more.'

 

Has anyone tried this app?

Wonder if this will replace tap tap see or any of those other camera apps
out there for the blind?

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Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can't get a thing
out of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to
video camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo.
The camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something
like area, or array, but nothing helpful.

 

Anyone have any clues?

 

Neal

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RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Neal Ewers]

That doesn't work for me either. I don't get any description of any of the
photos. I must be missing something here.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera
role/  has anyone tried this?

 

 

Maria Chapman

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi 

 

On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:





Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can't get a thing
out of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to
video camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo.
The camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something
like area, or array, but nothing helpful.

 

Anyone have any clues?

 

Neal

 

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RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Neal Ewers]

Well, I just pointed it to my tv moniter and it said 5 ww. I pointed it at a
picture, and it said the word No. I think the female speaker in my version
of the app has lost her mind. .

 

 

Neal

 

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That doesn't work for me either. I don't get any description of any of the
photos. I must be missing something here.

 

Neal

 

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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:47 AM
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Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera
role/  has anyone tried this?

 

 

Maria Chapman

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi 

 

On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

 

Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can't get a thing
out of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to
video camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo.
The camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something
like area, or array, but nothing helpful.

 

Anyone have any clues?

 

Neal

 

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RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, the subject of this message is cannot get talking goggles to work.
Please do not hijack this subject with the fact that it will take a picture
of your dog.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

It identified my labrador/golden retriever as an alp! However, it did a
great job on rillettes d'oie, bordeaux wine, various books and the picture
on a place mat. I'm seriously impressed!

 

Anne

 

On 6 Apr 2013, at 17:58, Neal Ewers  wrote:





Well, I just pointed it to my tv moniter and it said 5 ww. I pointed it at a
picture, and it said the word No. I think the female speaker in my version
of the app has lost her mind. .

 

 

Neal

 

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Subject: RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

That doesn't work for me either. I don't get any description of any of the
photos. I must be missing something here.

 

Neal

 

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Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera
role/  has anyone tried this?

 

 

Maria Chapman

 <mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi

 

On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers" < <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote:

 

Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can't get a thing
out of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to
video camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo.
The camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something
like area, or array, but nothing helpful.

 

Anyone have any clues?

 

Neal

 

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RE: talking goggles

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I find that I have to hold the phone much closer to objects with goggles
than with tap tap see. The other difference I am finding is that while tap
tap see will tell me things like the back of a person's head, a man wearing
a blue shirt, goggles will not do this even in video mode, at least not for
me. If I point goggles at my electric stove controls, it does not say
controls on black stove as tap tap see does, it actually tries to read the
writing on the buttons. It says things like pre-heat, broil, etc. If I hold
goggles close to a page with writing, it actually tries to, as people have
mentioned, read the writing and does a rather nice job at it. But, I can
hold it in front of any picture in my house, and it says nothing. So, I am
not quite sure what this all means.

 

It would appear that goggles is much better at reading text and the names of
buttons than tap tap see, but have others been able to identify objects with
it. So far, I can not. I try to take a picture of my couch, it says nothing.
I try my face, I guess I scared it because it said something like w3q. Hmmm,
I wonder if that is written on my forehead? .

 

This is not an attempt to say if one of these apps is better than the other,
I'm simply trying to find out what people have been able to do with goggles
other than read text and buttons. So far, I don't have much luck.

 

Thanks for pointing out this app and for all people's testing.

 

Neal

 

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Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

HI.  try video mode some people are saying this works.

 

 

Maria Chapman

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi 

 

On 06/04/2013, at 3:21 PM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:





Hi, I have no luck with this app. I get lots of results with tap tap see,
but not one with talking goggles. I'm obviously doing something wrong. I
have it set to still camera, I hold it in front of the same objects I try
with tap tap see and take a picture. I get a message that says something
like no objects found. Tap tap see will give me amazing things like water
color picture of vases of flowers. It gave me the names of 4 different boxes
of crackers. Etc. So, the question is, why does talking goggles not work.
I'm in the same room. I have used flash on and flash off and the lights in
the room are on.  Don't know.

 

Neal

 

 

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Brett
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:53 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

Hi, 






This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you
having to take several pictures, if you need to check several objects. 


Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone


On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan" <
<mailto:troysulliva...@gmail.com> troysulliva...@gmail.com> wrote:

I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:


Description of App


Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.

*   Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books,
products, artwork, text and more..
*   Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
*   Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
*   Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
*   Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream
for any familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it finds
something.
*   Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the
results in any other application.
*   Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search.
Or, if it is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a price
comparison.

Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camera at
it and Talking Goggles will tell you!

Want to find out if that product is really the cheapest around? Take a
picture and let Talking Goggles do a comparison for you.

Point Talking Goggles at a logo, and you will be told the name of the
company after which you can do a search for it.

Talking Goggles is particularly good at recognizing book covers and posters.
Try it out!

Reviews are very positive so far:

'This amazing application costs just $0.99 and is a masterpiece and could be
a new trend.'

'You really need to try the app to see exactly how good it is.'

'This app worked well and quickly. I took a photo of a few products from my
cupboard and it identified them immediately, and offered access to the
internet to learn more.'

 

Has a

RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Neal Ewers]

This is why I previously appologized to Anne off list not wanting to clutter
the list. But I clutter it now because I think your point about the
definition of high jacked threads is a valid one from which we can all
learn.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

I don't consider this an example of a hijacked thread. It was an example of
getting it to work, sort of. I'd save this criticism for more drastic
examples of hijacking or leave it to the moderators.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 6, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

Hi, the subject of this message is cannot get talking goggles to work.
Please do not hijack this subject with the fact that it will take a picture
of your dog.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

It identified my labrador/golden retriever as an alp! However, it did a
great job on rillettes d'oie, bordeaux wine, various books and the picture
on a place mat. I'm seriously impressed!

 

Anne

 

On 6 Apr 2013, at 17:58, Neal Ewers  wrote:






Well, I just pointed it to my tv moniter and it said 5 ww. I pointed it at a
picture, and it said the word No. I think the female speaker in my version
of the app has lost her mind. .

 

 

Neal

 

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[mailto:viphone@ <http://googlegroups.com/> googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Neal Ewers
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:54 AM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

That doesn't work for me either. I don't get any description of any of the
photos. I must be missing something here.

 

Neal

 

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<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:47 AM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera
role/  has anyone tried this?

 

 

Maria Chapman

 <mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi

 

On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers" < <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote:

 

Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can't get a thing
out of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to
video camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo.
The camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something
like area, or array, but nothing helpful.

 

Anyone have any clues?

 

Neal

 

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digit-eyes label printing problem solved

[Neal Ewers]

Hi All. Previously I had written to the list saying that the printed labels
from the Digit-eyes PDF file were not printing properly. The bottom row was
getting cut off. In case anyone has this problem in the future, here is
something to consider. It certainly worked for me although I must admit, I
didn't think of it for a while.

 

My printer was set to print on bright white inkjet paper because that is
what I always use. However, there is an automatic setting which makes the
printer look at the paper and decide what it is. I don't normally use this
because it takes a little longer to get started printing, but when I set it
to automatic, it was smart enough to know that it was printing on labels and
everything printed perfectly. I guess that means Neal's printer is smarter
than Neal. .

 

Neal

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RE: Talking Goggles Observation and Question

[Neal Ewers]

It's amazing how much of this depends on lighting. I think Anne's idea of
using light detector is a good one to see how much light you have. Even
then, I have had this app and Tap Tap See tell me different things about the
same object in different times of day. The other thing is how much of the
thing you actually have in the picture. I was doing it when my wife was
watching and she could tell me when I had the item in the picture. I was not
always right. I've used the trick that someone came up with about putting my
finger on the top of the phone just over the camera and pointing to where I
think the object is. But the further you are away from the object, the more
off you can be with just the slightest turn of the camera. Fortunately, they
are somewhat forgiving and I also know that it will take some practice to do
a better job of correcting for distance, direction, and lighting.

Neal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lauren Simmons
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking Goggles Observation and Question

This was one of the first tests I tried last night when I heard of this app.
I simply couldn't get much out of Goggles. I pointed it at my desktop and
laptop monitor and did hear the word "win" but not much else. I once again
tried other windows and only heard a word or two or few letters at most.
Though one can probably move Goggles across the screen a little bit at a
time, this is not yet a good solution. One only gets maybe 1% of the content
on screen (depending on screen).
This is expectable since there are tons of issues at play: direct lighting,
position of Goggles, dirt on screen, steadiness, ambient light, type of
content on screen etc. It does read more on the screen than TapTapSee and
alike. (Smile).

LS


On 4/6/13, Tom Lange  wrote:
> Hi,
> I was really excited to hear about Talking Goggles last night and 
> again this morning, so I bought the app and took it for a spin on my
iPhone 4.
>
> So far it's identified several unlabeled boxes that I have in my 
> kitchen cabinet, and that's really cool.  It also identified a couple 
> of pictures that I have on the walls of my apartment.
>
> My only issue with it so far is that I can only run it for a couple of 
> minutes before I get dumped out to the home screen, and that's with 
> the app switcher empty.  Is this normal?  Oh, by the way, I'm running 
> it in video mode.
>
> Oh yeah, and one more thing.  In my computer lab at work, I often have 
> students who come to me and say that their computer isn't talking for 
> one reason or another. So, just for kicks and grins, I turned on my 
> computer monitor here at home, then let Talking Goggles tell me what was
on screen.
> While it didn't give me a complete read on what was on screen, it did 
> give me enough information to tell whether a document was open (it was 
> at one point), and also whether the desktop was being displayed.  So 
> it seems to me that Goggles might be helpful if a machine is taking a 
> long time to boot and/or has crashed and there might be some sort of error
message showing.
>
>
> Just thought I'd pass that along.
>
> Tom
>
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RE: I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i found

[Neal Ewers]

Hi I tried my thermostat. It read many of the buttons, but I could not get
it to read the temperature. Perhaps I was not looking in the right place.

Neal


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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 9:53 PM
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found

I'm going to try the display on my digital thermostat and see what it says,
that is whenever I turn the heat on again, it's off now do to warmer
weather.s
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Subject: RE: I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i
found


> Hi I tried the computer screen and it gave me results, my husband was 
> playing a game and it told me what game. I am going to try some more 
> on my computer later today I will let the list know what I find.
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i 
> found
>
> Hi,
> Before you all get to excited, let me tell you that i'm not sure what 
> goggles is reading, nor am i sure of if what i found can at all be 
> workable for anything or if it's just plain luck that i had.
> Well, after hearing the success stories others had had with Talking 
> goggles, i decided i would do some experimenting on my own. I have 
> long looked for an app that can read displays of any shape or form and 
> thereby help me get things set on devices one normally can't operate 
> without sighted assistance, well guess what? I started with my Akai 
> MPK61 Midi keyboard which obviously has a quite bright display, 
> because other apps have been able to get one or two letters out of the 
> display, though i couldn't be sure if it was the display or the 
> buttons it read, well with Goggles, i actually got as much info out of 
> the display that i could successfully load a midi preset into the 
> keyboard. This encouraged me a bit so i went to my kitchen to see if i 
> could actually get some info out of my microwave. This time i wasn't 
> so successful, but that could be because i actually don't quite know 
> where the display is on the machine. I decided to continue to 
> experiment and went into the bathroom to see if i could read the 
> display of my washing machine and my tumble dryer, and lo and behold, 
> i got text out of the displays, not so much that i could do settings 
> based on the info, but still i got text out of the display and i could 
> actually see that it changed. This made me sit down and think, would 
> it be possible to actually get some info out of the Olympus
> LS-100 recorder in places where the voice guidance wasn't present and 
> the answer is yes, i can actually read the display, but not yet so 
> well that i can make settings and adjustments based on what i read, 
> either it is possible with training, or it won't work and it won't get 
> any better, but just the fact that an app makes reading displays 
> possible is exciting news to me. If anyone wants to continue 
> experimenting, please feel free to do it and please document what you 
> find, positive or negative. In my experimentations i used video mode 
> which gave an almost realtime experience.
> /Krister
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RE: TapTapSee

[Neal Ewers]

Kirsten. To my knowledge, TapTap see does not put photoes on your unit.
Well, they may put some temporary files there, but they must also delete
them. If you notice, you go from picture 1 to picture 5 and then it starts
all over with picture 1 again. So, they may be placing temporary files on
your unit, but it seems as though they are deleting them as you go. 

Neal


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kirsten Edmondson
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Hi, I have only just come to taptapsee this weekend. I am grateful for the
comments here. Can anyone tell me does the pictures it takes go into the
camera roll? Talking goggles seems to make a separate album for their
photos, is there a way I can get taptapsee to do this? Is the a way of
stopping it saving then at all?-as I'm finding I have to manually delete
each one. 
 

Kirsten 

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Apr 2013, at 02:21, "Paul and Paula Jordan" 
wrote:

> I absolutely love this app.  My husband and I are both totally blind, 
> and I use it for color identification, telling me what types of frozen 
> vegetables I have and more.  Very cool!
> God bless!
> Paula and Babe
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Reg Sullivan
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 10:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: TapTapSee
> 
> Hello folks.  I've had excellent results with this APP.  Tonight I 
> picked two identical jars from the medicine cabinet.  I was thrilled 
> when snapping a picture of the first jar and when it announced, "Advil
tablets".
> If you aren't focused, Tap Tap will simply announce what it is seeing,
e.g.
> cream tile floor.  As a rule of thumb, I like to hold my phone about 
> three or four inches from the target and move away as I snap.  This 
> allows more complete focusing.
> 
> 
> Cheers and have fun with it!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Fenton
> Sent: April 7, 2013 6:47 PM
> To: Viphone
> Subject: TapTapSee
> 
> 
> Hello everybody: 
> 
> I have just started experimenting with this app. How would a totally 
> blind person ensure that what they wanted to take a picture of was 
> completely in focus? Thank you for your help.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bob Fenton
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Three Things to Make Your App Stand Out When Building for Accessibility | Innovation Insights | Wired.com

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I send this for two reasons.

 

First, included in the article are links to the work that promotes
accessible guidelines with special emphasis on mobile apps.

 

Second. Because it allow us to see what is being done across the board by a
number of people and companies to make the world a better place for persons
who are disabled.

 

Link is below.

 

http://www.wired.com/insights/2013/03/three-things-to-make-your-app-stand-ou
t-when-building-for-accessibility/

 

Neal Ewers

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Forgive as soon as possible.

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Speak with people as if it may be the last thing you ever say to them.

And never stop smiling.

 

 

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RE: one thing I wish apple would change

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, one way Apple could make it indirectly easier for people with hand
problems is to make it less likely to have to change the rotor. This might
be accomplished by giving the user the option to have each app remember the
last rotor settings used in that app. So, if I am on a web page and have the
rotor set to headings, I can close Safari and open a keyboard app where the
rotor is still on, for example, characters, because that is where it was the
last time I used the app. I go back to Safari, and the rotor is now back on
headings. Of course, this would work best in my opinion, if it were an
option one could use or not use.

Neal


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Pearson
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 11:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: one thing I wish apple would change

My favourite technique is one applied by another member of this list and
that is to hold the phone in one hand and turn it anticlockwise whilst
moving your fingers of the right-hand  clockwise. I can do all the
techniques, but find that this places less stress on my fingers than the
others outlined.

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch

On 6 Apr 2013, at 04:06 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:

> Hi,
> Another rotor technique that I pass along to my students involves using
two hands as well. It goes like this:
> 1. Place the phone on a flat, stable surface like a desktop or table.  If
that's not handy, I'll hold the phone against my chest.
> 2. Place the index fingers of each hand caddy-corner to each other, for
example, left index at the lower left-hand corner of the screen and the
right index at the upper right-hand corner of the screen.
> 3. Move the left index finger straight up while simultaneously moving the
right index finger straight down, or vice versa, depending on which way the
rotor is to be turned.
> 
> I prefer this technique to the knob-turning action that is usually
recommended even though I can use that technique satisfactorily.  The
technique that I described above works great for me, and when I find the
rotor setting that I want to use, I can then flick up or down with my right
index finger.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Tom
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jon Pierson" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 7:50 AM
> Subject: RE: one thing I wish apple would change
> 
> 
>> Hi Troy,
>> Try using two hands to turn the rotor, kind of like swiping a finger 
>> on the left hand across the screen from right to left while doing the 
>> opposite with the right hand at the same moment.
>> I was teaching someone who was having a terrible time with gestures 
>> and that did the trick.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Troy Sullivan
>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:56 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: one thing I wish apple would change
>> 
>> Good morning all,
>> This is a  suggestion and maybe there is a fix to this and I don't 
>> know about it. but I have something that I think apple needs to 
>> change or needs to make better. Because of the strong medication I 
>> take it kind of messes with my hand cordination, my hands are not 
>> always stable so like when I do the doubletap and hold to delete 
>> something sometimes I have to do it several times before I get it. 
>> This morning I tried to do the roter and my hands just weren't having 
>> it today so I had to use the keybord to change my roter setting. I 
>> know I'm probably not the only one out there with hand cordination 
>> issues, but is there a setting or something I can do to make the 
>> jestures easier for me to do? Also if someone has a way I can contact
apple's accessibility dept about this please let me know.
>> Thanks.
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RE: a battery saver, but effective?

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, Recently there was a message about turning on screen curtain and saving
battery life. I didn't pay close attention to the message, but I'm guessing
this is also a possibility for having your battery last longer on a charge.

 

Neal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: a battery saver, but effective?
Sensitivity: Personal

 

Hi Ramy,

 

I doubt such apps will do much despite their claims. I would just follow
normal battery saving techniques like making sure you turn off Bluetooth and
especially WiFi if you are out and about and don't use it. WiFi uses up a
fair amount of battery. Also make sure you don't have any GPS apps running
unless you need them and don't set location based reminders like "Remind me
to call John when I get home", these use location services and drain your
battery faster.

 

If that is not enough you would be much better off trying to find either aa
battery case or an external battery which would allow you to charge your
phone when it gets below 10%, if you try and find something with at least
1500 to 1800 MA you should be able to charge your phone back to 100% if you
start when you get the 10% notification.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 6:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: a battery saver, but effective?
Sensitivity: Personal

 

Hi all:

Please I need to ask if anyone find a good battery life saver for I phone? I
found some programs but they didn't do anything.

Any ideas?

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RE: a battery saver, but effective?

[Neal Ewers]

Well, after reading this, I decided to do a bit more research. It's still up
for grabs whether or not screen curtain saves battery power. I have read in
different sources that it does and I have read that it does not. The
following from the VoiceOver Wiki suggests that it does.

VoiceOver can also turn off the display but leave the touch screen sensitive
to touch, saving battery power. Apple calls this feature "Screen Curtain".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VoiceOver

Of course, Who knows who writes these wiki articles. So, it's still a
mystery I will have to simply experiment with.

Neal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a battery saver, but effective?

This always generates a bit of discussion on the list, but the screen
curtain is a privacy feature and not a battery saving feature. It doesn't
dim or turn off your screen. I don't have anything but anecdotal evidence,
but I run with the screen curtain on all of the time, and I don't find it
helps with the battery at all.

On 04/09/2013 02:30 PM, Neal Ewers wrote:
> Hi, Recently there was a message about turning on screen curtain and 
> saving battery life. I didn't pay close attention to the message, but 
> I'm guessing this is also a possibility for having your battery last 
> longer on a charge.
>
> Neal
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:34 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: a battery saver, but effective?
> *Sensitivity:* Personal
>
> Hi Ramy,
>
> I doubt such apps will do much despite their claims. I would just 
> follow normal battery saving techniques like making sure you turn off 
> Bluetooth and especially WiFi if you are out and about and don't use 
> it. WiFi uses up a fair amount of battery. Also make sure you don't 
> have any GPS apps running unless you need them and don't set location 
> based reminders like "Remind me to call John when I get home", these 
> use location services and drain your battery faster.
>
> If that is not enough you would be much better off trying to find 
> either aa battery case or an external battery which would allow you to 
> charge your phone when it gets below 10%, if you try and find 
> something with at least 1500 to 1800 MA you should be able to charge 
> your phone back to 100% if you start when you get the 10% notification.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ramy Moustafa
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2013 6:41 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* a battery saver, but effective?
> *Sensitivity:* Personal
>
> Hi all:
>
> Please I need to ask if anyone find a good battery life saver for I 
> phone? I found some programs but they didn't do anything.
>
> Any ideas?
>
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RE: Screen Curtain a battery saver, but effective?

[Neal Ewers]

Christopher, what you are saying makes sense. The screen must be on in some
way in order to use gestures. I know a couple people who have developed
apps. I'll run this by them. That doesn't mean they are experts on screen
curtain necessarily, but they might know a bit about it. It does no harm to
ask.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Neal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen Curtain a battery saver, but effective?

What you're saying makes sense if the screen is actually turned off when the
screen curtain is on and requires less power than when the screen curtain is
turned off. I've heard though, that the privacy of the screen curtain is
handled by setting the background and the foreground colors to be the same.
I don't know how it really works, but if this were the case, you would not
see any battery savings. This is different then say my laptop running Ubuntu
where I can physically turn the monitor off and no power at all is being
sent to the monitor. Given that the screen on the iPhone is also a touch
screen, they obviously can't kill all power to it.

I run the screen curtain for privacy purposes. If it saves me battery power
then that's great. If people find that running with the screen curtain on
saves them some battery power then they should use the screen curtain. As I
said, I haven't noticed a big difference myself, but I go ahead and run with
the screen curtain on anyway.

On 04/09/2013 06:11 PM, Victor Gouveia wrote:
> While not having done as much extensive research as Neil, grin, my 
> brother, who is sighted, says that the screen curtain effectively 
> shuts off the display, while still making it sensitive to touch, so, 
> the less amount of light being emitted by the cell phone only stands 
> to reason that it would save battery life.
> Having said that, it's been my experience that my battery drops more 
> quickly when my screen curtain is off doing the exact same thing, as 
> when the screen curtain is on, so I guess in this respect, the 
> research I did was experiential.  Smiles.
> One can even take this a bit further using a laptop as an effective 
> means of understanding the concept.
> If one puts a laptop side to side with a screen-less note taker, one 
> finds that the note taker uses up it's battery life a great deal 
> longer than the laptop.  Even if using a laptop compared to a netbook, 
> especially those utilizing a solid state hard drive, the smaller 
> screen means less in the way of power needed to form the picture on 
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RE: TapTapSee

[Neal Ewers]

It does not save them.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Troy Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No it doesn't seem to.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:33 AM
Subject: RE: TapTapSee


> Hi Kirsten,
>
> I also just downloaded Tap Tap See, I didn't know it was a free app.
>
> Anyhow, there seems to be no Settings button, but I took a picture earlier
> and afterwards took a look in my Photos app. I saw the Goggles Gallery
> album, but there was no Tap Tap See album and there was no picture in my
> camera roll from the time when I took the picture so I would say that Tap
> Tap See doesn't save the pictures.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kirsten Edmondson
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
> Hi, I have only just come to taptapsee this weekend. I am grateful for the
> comments here. Can anyone tell me does the pictures it takes go into the
> camera roll? Talking goggles seems to make a separate album for their
> photos, is there a way I can get taptapsee to do this? Is the a way of
> stopping it saving then at all?-as I'm finding I have to manually delete
> each one.
>
>
> Kirsten
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 8 Apr 2013, at 02:21, "Paul and Paula Jordan" 
> wrote:
>
>> I absolutely love this app.  My husband and I are both totally blind,
>> and I use it for color identification, telling me what types of frozen
>> vegetables I have and more.  Very cool!
>> God bless!
>> Paula and Babe
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Reg Sullivan
>> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 10:01 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: TapTapSee
>>
>> Hello folks.  I've had excellent results with this APP.  Tonight I
>> picked two identical jars from the medicine cabinet.  I was thrilled
>> when snapping a picture of the first jar and when it announced, "Advil
> tablets".
>> If you aren't focused, Tap Tap will simply announce what it is seeing,
> e.g.
>> cream tile floor.  As a rule of thumb, I like to hold my phone about
>> three or four inches from the target and move away as I snap.  This
>> allows more complete focusing.
>>
>>
>> Cheers and have fun with it!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Fenton
>> Sent: April 7, 2013 6:47 PM
>> To: Viphone
>> Subject: TapTapSee
>>
>>
>> Hello everybody:
>>
>> I have just started experimenting with this app. How would a totally
>> blind person ensure that what they wanted to take a picture of was
>> completely in focus? Thank you for your help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Fenton
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Opening a dropbox file in access note

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, You can either open it in Access Note or by going to the appropriate
drop box folder and clicking on the file there. Let me know if this helps.

Neal


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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:35 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Opening a dropbox file in access note

I have a txt file which I placed in dropbox. I would like to open the file
and work on it in access note but I can't figure out how to do it. Maybe I
am just having a brain freeze because I feel like this should not be that
hard.

Can somebody help?

Thanks,
Kimber

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RE: Opening a dropbox file in access note

[Neal Ewers]

Kimber, When you open the app, the list of files should include the name of
the file you want. You have to hit the back button to make sure you are at
the very root of the app so to speak, and then swipe right until you hear
the name of your file. When you want to send the file to Drop Box you simply
press the sync button and off it goes. In my drop box, it is placed in an
apps folder. Inside of that folder is a folder called AFB Access note. Your
file will be in that folder with the same name you used to title it. When I
open it from that folder, it always opens in Access Note. One way to know if
you are in Access Note is to swipe left to the back button which will have
access note in the title of the back button.

Let me know if further help is needed.

Neal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opening a dropbox file in access note

Well, I did open the file in dropbox, but I wasn't sure what app I was using
to edit the file when I did that because it just opened when I double tapped
it. Is there some way to tell dropbox I want to open in access note?

Conversely, when I open access note (I mean the app itself), I'm not sure
how to find the file I want to work on. How do I tell access note to look in
the dropbox folder?

Thanks,
Kimber

On 4/11/13, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> Hi, You can either open it in Access Note or by going to the 
> appropriate drop box folder and clicking on the file there. Let me know if
this helps.
>
> Neal
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:35 AM
> To: viphone
> Subject: Opening a dropbox file in access note
>
> I have a txt file which I placed in dropbox. I would like to open the 
> file and work on it in access note but I can't figure out how to do 
> it. Maybe I am just having a brain freeze because I feel like this 
> should not be that hard.
>
> Can somebody help?
>
> Thanks,
> Kimber
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RE: What do they do???

[Neal Ewers]

I don't know how much longer the mods will let this thread go on, but I
think there is a point to be made here.

There are several people on this list who I believe handle this very nicely.
I try to do the same. WE may give someone some help on their question, but
we also may direct them to other sources like a manual or a web page. In
other words, while we are helping people with their answers, we are also
giving them the help needed to do further research on their own. If everyone
on this list failed to do any research on their questions at all, there
would be three times the messages there are now. On the other hand, if
everyone always did the needed research, there would be little reason for
this list to exist. So, I like to provide, and so do some others, both kinds
of information. And yes, I have to say that if, after many attempts to have
a person do a little work on their own, they fail to do so and simply keep
coming back with questions, I may be less willing to help. That's not out of
rudeness. It is because I get at least 300 messages a day along with the
other work I do. I do not always have time to give people lengthy
instructions. But I do hope that when I give them some information and send
them off to the manual for further exploration, I can do it in a friendly
way.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of DJ
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do they do???

Fred, you are assuming that they are all lazy.  That is indeed not the case.
Should we assume that if you ask us a question, whether or not you've done
your homework, that you are being lazy as well?  I don't usually tend to
make that assumption about people.

DJ


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Olver
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do they do???

Maybe they come to you because that way they don't have to do it themselves.


- Original Message -
From: "Patti Johnson" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: What do they do???


>I do have friends who hardly will ever try to figure things out on 
>their own  because they don't have the confidence in themselves, they 
>are afraid of  doing something wrong.
> I am not saying there is  right or wrong in any of this; I just think  
>those  that ask should be respected and answered even if we ourselves 
>wish they  would do their own work.
> I have done a lot of stuff for people that I think they should be able 
>to  do  for themselves, yet over and over again when they need help 
>they come to  me  for it and I think to myself, they need to learn this 
>on their own but if  they won't because they are fearful of making a 
>mistake, then I have to  help  them.
> Patti
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Fred Olver
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What do they do???
>
> Patty, if the information is readily available, why ask the list? Aren't 
> we
> supposed to be able to do some things on our own or have we all become so
> lazy that rather than find out ourselves that we must bring it to the list
> because we can't take the time to find out for ourselves?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Patti Johnson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:53 AM
> Subject: RE: What do they do???
>
>
>>I was telling a friend about this who was thinking of subscribing to
>>this  list; and she said if  you're told to do your research all the
>>time then  what's the point of the list?
>> I personally don't mind answering questions, no matter how many times
>>the  question is asked.
>> Some people are new to this thing, and we don't know who is or isn't.
>>Or  their level of experience. Patience needs to be exercised on any
>>email  list,  because we don't know where the person writing in is
>>coming from.  Just my  humble opinion. And actually if you don't want
>>to answer that person on  list  write to them privately, which would
>>take away from the high traffic.
>> Patti
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Fred Olver
>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:44 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: What do they do???
>>
>> Thanks for your comments, I just happen to find it very irritating
>> that somewhat intelligent people choose not, even when they have the
>> information at their fingertips to find the information themselves
>> rather than ask on such a high-traffic list. This was as a result of
>> two messages in a row which asked the question of two different app's,
>> what does it do.
>>
>> Fred
>> - Original Message. In this case, there were two mesages in a row
>> that ask

Apple bans an app that helps people find free apps

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I thought some on this list used a few apps that notify people about the
availability of free apps. The link below is an article about one such app
that Apple has banned from the app store and it suggests that there may be
more to come.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/10/tech/mobile/apple-app-store-ban/index.html
?eref=edition

 

Neal

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RE: Earl app subscription fees

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I'm not Raul. I'm sure he is happy to know that.

To my knowledge, articles found on Earl are also available in other places.
Take NFB newsline for example. I have read the same article on both apps. I
can also find the ssame article on the newspaper site in question.

While I do think the expense of a monthly or yearly subscription is more
than I will pay after the first month of use, I have found one thing I
really like Earl for. I can start reading an article, put the phone in my
pocket and ride my exercise bike or go for a walk without the worry of
touching the screen and losing my place.

Neal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Grant Hardy
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Earl app subscription fees

Raul and list,

Has anyone any idea where Earl gets its content? If Earl is transcribing
unique content from newspapers that cannot be read on the newspapers'
websites, or otherwise has some arrangement with the publishers, then I
think that's fantastic. If, on the other hand, they're syndicating articles
that could easily be found on the relevant website, then I think most of us
would probably be able to find alternatives. I think for experienced iPhone
users the fact that Earl is self-voicing and requires you to speak to it
could actually be a deterrent because I don't think it would be as fast or
discrete as using a familiar app with VO.

Grant

On 4/11/13, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:
> Hi, I guess I misunderstood when one of the developers said the app 
> was going free for a time. I think that perhaps some of us understood 
> that the content would be free. However if we think this through, the 
> cost of the app is not the same as the cost of the content. This 
> reminds me of MotionX GPS Drive. The cost is 1 dollar, and then you 
> have to pay a yearly or monthly subscription fee to continue to use 
> the turn by turn navigation features. In the case of the news reading 
> app it makes sense because access to most newspaper content isn't 
> free. So, money has to be gotten from somewhere. In the case of NFB 
> Newsline, once you show that you are reading disabled, then of course 
> you get access, but not all who qualify will have an NFB Newsline
subscription either.
>
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>
> On 4/11/2013 12:30 PM, Jessica Arnold wrote:
>> I have to seriously agree with you on this. I could never afford $10 
>> a month for any subscription of any kind. So as for me I'm just going 
>> to stick with NFB newsline. It works.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Eileens Misrahi 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Folks,
>>>
>>> I just installed the app. I was enjoying it until I heard that I 
>>> maxed out on the 3 articles that I could read for day. The next 
>>> prompt offered for me to subscribe to Earl services. I was extremely 
>>> surprised when I saw the monthly and the yearly subscription fees. I 
>>> guess I will have to be more selective on the 3 articles I choose 
>>> each day. These fees are exorbitant for those who are visually impaired
or blind. JMO.
>>>
>>> Thanks for listening.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Eileen
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Opening a dropbox file in access note

[Neal Ewers]

Keep a couple things in mind here. If you edit a note in Access note and
then sync to drop box, it will replace the file of the same name in drop box
if you have one there.

You don't have to export the file from drop box to be able to read it in
drop box. But, the sync is a one way sync only. So, if you write a file in
access note and send it to drop box, then go edit it in drop box, and then
go back to access note and sync, the edits you made in the drop box version
will be lost. This is because access note always uses the file in the actual
app to replace the one in drop box. There may be a way around this, but I
haven't found it.

At least, this is my experience. So if you want to edit a file, make sure
you edit it in the access note app and not in drop box.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mario Barbuto
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone
Subject: Re: Opening a dropbox file in access note

   Hi Kimber,

I guess you have to open the .txt file in DropBox and then push the button
"Export". You should see the AccessNote option listed as one of the export
choicies.
But this is so easy that I guess you are facing some more complex trouble I
cannot figure out.
I hope my reminder could help you.

Warmly,

Mario.


At 14:35 11/04/2013, Kimber Gardner wrote:
>I have a txt file which I placed in dropbox. I would like to open the 
>file and work on it in access note but I can't figure out how to do it. 
>Maybe I am just having a brain freeze because I feel like this should 
>not be that hard.
>
>Can somebody help?
>
>Thanks,
>Kimber



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RE: Earl app subscription fees

[Neal Ewers]

One clarification. My phone is not locked when I am reading. It is the fact
that the screen is only active if you tap twice on it and say something.
There is less likelihood of doing this than it would be to simply touch the
screen some place that was active and cause the reading to stop and perhaps
lose your place.

Neal



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Grant Hardy
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Earl app subscription fees

That's what I figured; in that case I honestly don't think the price is
worth the added convenience. I understand your point (i.e. it's nice to know
that the phone can read to you while the screen is locked), but you could
achieve the same thing with Voice Dream Reader and a monthly or yearly
subscription to Instapaper. I don't just now remember how much that costs
but I believe it was around a buck a month.

Cheers,

Grant

On 4/11/13, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> Hi, I'm not Raul. I'm sure he is happy to know that.
>
> To my knowledge, articles found on Earl are also available in other
places.
> Take NFB newsline for example. I have read the same article on both 
> apps. I can also find the ssame article on the newspaper site in question.
>
> While I do think the expense of a monthly or yearly subscription is 
> more than I will pay after the first month of use, I have found one 
> thing I really like Earl for. I can start reading an article, put the 
> phone in my pocket and ride my exercise bike or go for a walk without 
> the worry of touching the screen and losing my place.
>
> Neal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Grant Hardy
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Earl app subscription fees
>
> Raul and list,
>
> Has anyone any idea where Earl gets its content? If Earl is 
> transcribing unique content from newspapers that cannot be read on the
newspapers'
> websites, or otherwise has some arrangement with the publishers, then 
> I think that's fantastic. If, on the other hand, they're syndicating 
> articles that could easily be found on the relevant website, then I 
> think most of us would probably be able to find alternatives. I think 
> for experienced iPhone users the fact that Earl is self-voicing and 
> requires you to speak to it could actually be a deterrent because I 
> don't think it would be as fast or discrete as using a familiar app with
VO.
>
> Grant
>
> On 4/11/13, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:
>> Hi, I guess I misunderstood when one of the developers said the app 
>> was going free for a time. I think that perhaps some of us understood 
>> that the content would be free. However if we think this through, the 
>> cost of the app is not the same as the cost of the content. This 
>> reminds me of MotionX GPS Drive. The cost is 1 dollar, and then you 
>> have to pay a yearly or monthly subscription fee to continue to use 
>> the turn by turn navigation features. In the case of the news reading 
>> app it makes sense because access to most newspaper content isn't 
>> free. So, money has to be gotten from somewhere. In the case of NFB 
>> Newsline, once you show that you are reading disabled, then of course 
>> you get access, but not all who qualify will have an NFB Newsline
> subscription either.
>>
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos
>> Just witnessed an ant crawl under one of my keys. Don't worry, It's 
>> under CTRL. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47
>>
>> On 4/11/2013 12:30 PM, Jessica Arnold wrote:
>>> I have to seriously agree with you on this. I could never afford $10 
>>> a month for any subscription of any kind. So as for me I'm just 
>>> going to stick with NFB newsline. It works.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Eileens Misrahi 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Folks,
>>>>
>>>> I just installed the app. I was enjoying it until I heard that I 
>>>> maxed out on the 3 articles that I could read for day. The next 
>>>> prompt offered for me to subscribe to Earl services. I was 
>>>> extremely surprised when I saw the monthly and the yearly 
>>>> subscription fees. I guess I will have to be more selective on the 
>>>> 3 articles I choose each day. These fees are exorbitant for those 
>>>> who are visually impaired
> or blind. JMO.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for listening.
>>>>

RE: What do they do???

[Neal Ewers]

Another thought.

Were I just beginning with computers or smart phones, I may not know enough
to know what I don't know or where to look for it. So, I will assume that
when people ask questions that I think they can find on their own, that this
is the case. Now, people will sometimes take advantage of this and ask
because it's just easier. But I can't tell which is which. So, I will try to
respect the fact that people who ask simple questions are people who don't
quite know enough to know where to look at this point. I may be fooled more
than once, but I have helped more than I have hindered.

And here is another thought. I think many would agree that it is often more
educational to ask someone who knows than to spend hours searching the
internet and reading reviews and other pages that may well have conflicting
data. So, even if I think someone should be able to find the answer on their
own, I will have to assume that they are asking for human input rather than
whatever input they may get on line.

Having said that, I still think giving people alternatives for where to look
for things in addition to helping them is a good idea. But I hope I can
always be open to helping no matter how silly I think the request, because
to them, it is not silly at all.

Also, remember that there are people on this list whose first language is
not English. They may not be as precise at asking questions as some, and
they may not be as good as others in perusing the web for their answers.

So, someone please take me to task if I am ever insulting to a question
asker. I may be brief, because I don't have a lot of time. Today I do and
the number of messages I have written to this list is much larger than most
days, but many of us are quite busy. However, that is no excuse for being
dismissive of a persons quest to learn.

Neal
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Olver
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do they do???

Debby, it's not about asking questions. It's about doing something or not
doing something that one could do themselves. Let's say you want to take off
your shoe, and it is tied, well, you of course untie the shoe, right? Well
if you want to find out about an app, maybe you are going to buy it, or if
it is free, just put it on your phone, you search for it in the app store,
don't you? Well, I saw two successive messages on two different apps which
asked the question, what does it do, when they could have just as easily
looked to see for themselves. I certainly don't mind answering questions
about apps either, however the obvious causes me frustration, you wouldn't
ask me to untie your shoe, you would untie it yourself. If a person can
untie their shoe than they ought to be able to search for an app. Like last
week, I had forgotten how to delete an app from my phone, something I hadn't
done in about six months, what did I do? I didn't ask the list, which I
guess I could have, I looked up the information in the book entitled Getting
started with the iPhone. It helped refresh my memory as to what to do
regarding other things and I was indeed able to find the information on my
own, and I didn't clutter up the list with a question when I could easily
find the information on my own. I don't say, don't ask, I say don't ask if
you have the information at your fingertips.

Fred
- Original Message -
From: "Debbie Worstman" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: What do they do???


>I just want to say that I do not post to the list often, but I have gotten
> some very good information from reading please don't let this make you
> fearful of asking questions.
> If asking questions makes the difference in someone either using there
> iDevice or giving up on it then please ask away.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Simon Wong
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What do they do???
>
> I am new to this phone, I can I not ask questions?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2013-04-11, at 10:44 AM, "Fred Olver"  wrote:
>
>> Maybe they come to you because that way they don't have to do it
> themselves.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Patti Johnson"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:05 AM
>> Subject: RE: What do they do???
>>
>>
>>> I do have friends who hardly will ever try to figure things out on
>>> their own because they don't have the confidence in themselves, they
>>> are afraid of doing something wrong.
>>> I am not saying there is  right or wrong in any of this; I just think
>>> those that ask should be respected and answered even if we ourselves
>>> wish they would do their own work.
>>> I have done a lot of stuff for people that I think they should be
>>> able to do for themselves, yet over and over again when they need
>>> 

RE: Opening a dropbox file in access note

[Neal Ewers]

Anna, Thank you very much for the kind way you corrected my
miss-information. You are quite right. You can sync both ways. I guess I
must have had the file open when I tried it, but I have done a good deal of
work on this just now, and it works just like you said. Sorry for my
miss-information, and thanks for the correction.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opening a dropbox file in access note

Hi,

It's definitely possible to edit a file in AccessNote and then edit it on
your computer and then in AccessNote again. Here's how.

Put the file in Dropbox/Apps/AFB_AccessNote. Then open AccessNote and choose
Sync, assuming you've already set up Dropbox in AccessNote. The file should
show up in your list of files in AccessNote. Be sure the file is closed on
your computer before editing it in AccessNote, and when you're done, back
out of it to the main file list and press Sync. Similarly, if you want to
edit it on your computer, be sure it's closed in AccessNote and do your
editing. Then the next time you open AccessNote, press Sync before you open
the file. You should find all your changes. I've done this several times,
and it has always worked just fine. The only tricky thing is remembering to
press the Sync button.

Best,
Anna


On Apr 11, 2013, at 3:46 PM, "Alan Paganelli" 
wrote:

> Neal, many thanks for this.  I've been playing around with it trying to
get it to go in both directions which is what I need.  I was about to delete
this app from my iPhone and just haven't done it.  Now I can.  Thanks again!
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Neal Ewers" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:57 PM
> Subject: RE: Opening a dropbox file in access note
> 
> 
>> Keep a couple things in mind here. If you edit a note in Access note 
>> and then sync to drop box, it will replace the file of the same name 
>> in drop box if you have one there.
>> 
>> You don't have to export the file from drop box to be able to read it 
>> in drop box. But, the sync is a one way sync only. So, if you write a 
>> file in access note and send it to drop box, then go edit it in drop 
>> box, and then go back to access note and sync, the edits you made in 
>> the drop box version will be lost. This is because access note always 
>> uses the file in the actual app to replace the one in drop box. There 
>> may be a way around this, but I haven't found it.
>> 
>> At least, this is my experience. So if you want to edit a file, make 
>> sure you edit it in the access note app and not in drop box.
>> 
>> Neal
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Mario Barbuto
>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone
>> Subject: Re: Opening a dropbox file in access note
>> 
>>  Hi Kimber,
>> 
>> I guess you have to open the .txt file in DropBox and then push the 
>> button "Export". You should see the AccessNote option listed as one 
>> of the export choicies.
>> But this is so easy that I guess you are facing some more complex 
>> trouble I cannot figure out.
>> I hope my reminder could help you.
>> 
>> Warmly,
>> 
>> Mario.
>> 
>> 
>> At 14:35 11/04/2013, Kimber Gardner wrote:
>>> I have a txt file which I placed in dropbox. I would like to open 
>>> the file and work on it in access note but I can't figure out how to do
it.
>>> Maybe I am just having a brain freeze because I feel like this 
>>> should not be that hard.
>>> 
>>> Can somebody help?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kimber
>> 
>> 
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RE: Tat Tap See

[Neal Ewers]

Patti, This app cycles through 5 pictures which it then deletes. This is why
you will hear it say something like picture 3 of 5. It gets to 5 and starts
all over again, so not to worry.

 

My guess is that there are two issues here. One, you may not have held the
camera in the right place or maybe too close or to far away. Second, it will
definitely depend on the light the camera sees. I can have it look at the
same object in different times of day and it will say slightly different
things. It does time out if it cannot see the picture or if it doesn't know
what it is. I would suggest practicing with this in your home where you know
various objects are located and see if you can come up with some strategies
of working with the camera. This might help you when you are in other
locations.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Patti Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tat Tap See

 

Hey yall.  I went to the store today with a  friend and while she was off
looking for something else, I got out my phone and opened up the Tap Tap See
app to see what happened with it.

I was in the pet aisle because I had just got a bag of cat litter.

so, I opened up the app and it said when I took the first picture, that it
was showing a bag of Meow Mix cat food.

"Cool" I thought, so I tried it again, and none of the other pictures I took
worked.  Either they timed out or they were blurry.

Do I need to delete each picture I take before I take a new one, I just
couldn't figure out why I got those responses after that first picture.

I didn't think I was holding the phone any differently.

Just wondered, I could have a lot of fun with this app if I knew what I was
doing wrong.

Thanks,

Patti

 

 

 

 

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RE: Tat Tap See

[Neal Ewers]

Hi Tap Tap see is never routed to a person.

 

Neal

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Frank
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tat Tap See

 

Does anyone know how the Crowd sourcing works with Tap Tap See? Does taking
too many pictures overload the system? If the system doesn't recognize an
object, is it always routed to a person? If so, I will be much more
judicious on the number of objects I ask TTS to identify.

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com

 

 

 

On Apr 20, 2013, at 5:45 PM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:





Patti, This app cycles through 5 pictures which it then deletes. This is why
you will hear it say something like picture 3 of 5. It gets to 5 and starts
all over again, so not to worry.

 

My guess is that there are two issues here. One, you may not have held the
camera in the right place or maybe too close or to far away. Second, it will
definitely depend on the light the camera sees. I can have it look at the
same object in different times of day and it will say slightly different
things. It does time out if it cannot see the picture or if it doesn't know
what it is. I would suggest practicing with this in your home where you know
various objects are located and see if you can come up with some strategies
of working with the camera. This might help you when you are in other
locations.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfPatti Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tat Tap See

 

Hey yall.  I went to the store today with a  friend and while she was off
looking for something else, I got out my phone and opened up the Tap Tap See
app to see what happened with it.

I was in the pet aisle because I had just got a bag of cat litter.

so, I opened up the app and it said when I took the first picture, that it
was showing a bag of Meow Mix cat food.

"Cool" I thought, so I tried it again, and none of the other pictures I took
worked.  Either they timed out or they were blurry.

Do I need to delete each picture I take before I take a new one, I just
couldn't figure out why I got those responses after that first picture.

I didn't think I was holding the phone any differently.

Just wondered, I could have a lot of fun with this app if I knew what I was
doing wrong.

Thanks,

Patti

 

 

 

 

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RE: voice memos

[Neal Ewers]

Click the share button and you have a couple options.  One is email.

Neal


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Of rami
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: voice memos

hello
How can i export the voice memos that i recorded on my iPhone to my
computer? i tried iExplorer but it is not accessible with NVDA and JAWS. any
suggestions will be appreciated. thanks 

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RE: Tat Tap See

[Neal Ewers]

Hi Jonathan, I knew VizWiz did ask a human, but I didn't know that tap tap
see did. According to RNIB, "It compares your photo with a large database
online to work out what it is."

I can find nothing about this using a human.  I know VizWiz does because you
actually send your request to a real person. Can you give me a source for
how Tap Tap See uses human intervention? I ask because I am doing a
presentation on iPhone apps in a few days and I don't want to give them my
incorrect information if it needs to be corrected.

 

Thanks much.

 

Have a nice day down under.

 

Neal

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tat Tap See

 

Hi Neal, TapTapSee employs two techniques. It uses an object recognition
database first. If it can't get a result, then it will try crowd sourcing,
that is to say, asking a human.

 

Jonathan

On 21/04/2013, at 3:19 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:





Hi Tap Tap see is never routed to a person.

 

Neal

 

 

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@ <http://googlegroups.com/> googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Tom Frank
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:15 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tat Tap See

 

Does anyone know how the Crowd sourcing works with Tap Tap See? Does taking
too many pictures overload the system? If the system doesn't recognize an
object, is it always routed to a person? If so, I will be much more
judicious on the number of objects I ask TTS to identify.

Tom Frank

 <mailto:vermont...@gmail.com> vermont...@gmail.com

 

 

 

On Apr 20, 2013, at 5:45 PM, "Neal Ewers" <
<mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote:






Patti, This app cycles through 5 pictures which it then deletes. This is why
you will hear it say something like picture 3 of 5. It gets to 5 and starts
all over again, so not to worry.

 

My guess is that there are two issues here. One, you may not have held the
camera in the right place or maybe too close or to far away. Second, it will
definitely depend on the light the camera sees. I can have it look at the
same object in different times of day and it will say slightly different
things. It does time out if it cannot see the picture or if it doesn't know
what it is. I would suggest practicing with this in your home where you know
various objects are located and see if you can come up with some strategies
of working with the camera. This might help you when you are in other
locations.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Neal

 

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OfPatti Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:50 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tat Tap See

 

Hey yall.  I went to the store today with a  friend and while she was off
looking for something else, I got out my phone and opened up the Tap Tap See
app to see what happened with it.

I was in the pet aisle because I had just got a bag of cat litter.

so, I opened up the app and it said when I took the first picture, that it
was showing a bag of Meow Mix cat food.

"Cool" I thought, so I tried it again, and none of the other pictures I took
worked.  Either they timed out or they were blurry.

Do I need to delete each picture I take before I take a new one, I just
couldn't figure out why I got those responses after that first picture.

I didn't think I was holding the phone any differently.

Just wondered, I could have a lot of fun with this app if I knew what I was
doing wrong.

Thanks,

Patti

 

 

 

 

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RE: Tat Tap See

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Hi, If there humans on the other end of this, that would certainly explain
how it does what it does. I can't see how a database can do all that. I
know, you can put a lot in a database and draw out very specific things, and
perhaps this is what they are doing, but it would be nice to get to the
bottom of the human or not question. Jonathan is usually right on such
things and I was not meaning to doubt his credibility, I just would like a
source so I can share with others.

Neal


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Subject: Re: Tat Tap See

wow all, I've got to tell you all what happened today with this app, it was
awesome.

I stood about five feet from my window and took a picture with tap tap see
and it told me there was a parking lot with parked cars, I did it again
closer pointing the camera a little up and it said it was a building
sceenery, I pointed the camera down a little and stood back a bit and it
said there a black s u v. Is that awesome or what? wow, just to know whats
around me is sweet.

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RE: Tat Tap See

[Neal Ewers]

Hi All, well, that explains how good this app is. I'll have to do more
comparisons between this and VizWiz. At least, with TapTapSee you don't have
to send things to the web manually.

Thanks all for the clarification. As usual, Jonathan was correct. You would
have to look a long time before you found this to be not true.

Thanks again.

Neal


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Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tat Tap See

Yes, there are humans at the other end, for images that do not find matches
in the image databases.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 22/04/2013, at 9:09, "Alex Stone"  wrote:

> Neal, I'm quite prepared to be wrong, but having read the description 
> of the app, I don't believe there are humans on the other end.
> Cheers
> Alex
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Neal Ewers
> Sent: 21 April 2013 22:03
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Tat Tap See
> 
> Hi, If there humans on the other end of this, that would certainly 
> explain how it does what it does. I can't see how a database can do 
> all that. I know, you can put a lot in a database and draw out very 
> specific things, and perhaps this is what they are doing, but it would 
> be nice to get to the bottom of the human or not question. Jonathan is 
> usually right on such things and I was not meaning to doubt his 
> credibility, I just would like a source so I can share with others.
> 
> Neal
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Lelia Struve
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 3:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Tat Tap See
> 
> wow all, I've got to tell you all what happened today with this app, 
> it was awesome.
> 
> I stood about five feet from my window and took a picture with tap tap 
> see and it told me there was a parking lot with parked cars, I did it 
> again closer pointing the camera a little up and it said it was a 
> building sceenery, I pointed the camera down a little and stood back a 
> bit and it said there a black s u v. Is that awesome or what? wow, 
> just to know whats around me is sweet.
> 
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RE: Tat Tap See

[Neal Ewers]

Well, The people working the weekend crew must be less numerous than the
week day crew. I have just asked TapTapSee to identify 4 things it has
always recognized. Three of them timed out. Is anybody home? ?

Neal


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Tat Tap See

Hi All, well, that explains how good this app is. I'll have to do more
comparisons between this and VizWiz. At least, with TapTapSee you don't have
to send things to the web manually.

Thanks all for the clarification. As usual, Jonathan was correct. You would
have to look a long time before you found this to be not true.

Thanks again.

Neal


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Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tat Tap See

Yes, there are humans at the other end, for images that do not find matches
in the image databases.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 22/04/2013, at 9:09, "Alex Stone"  wrote:

> Neal, I'm quite prepared to be wrong, but having read the description 
> of the app, I don't believe there are humans on the other end.
> Cheers
> Alex
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Neal Ewers
> Sent: 21 April 2013 22:03
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Tat Tap See
> 
> Hi, If there humans on the other end of this, that would certainly 
> explain how it does what it does. I can't see how a database can do 
> all that. I know, you can put a lot in a database and draw out very 
> specific things, and perhaps this is what they are doing, but it would 
> be nice to get to the bottom of the human or not question. Jonathan is 
> usually right on such things and I was not meaning to doubt his 
> credibility, I just would like a source so I can share with others.
> 
> Neal
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Lelia Struve
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 3:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Tat Tap See
> 
> wow all, I've got to tell you all what happened today with this app, 
> it was awesome.
> 
> I stood about five feet from my window and took a picture with tap tap 
> see and it told me there was a parking lot with parked cars, I did it 
> again closer pointing the camera a little up and it said it was a 
> building sceenery, I pointed the camera down a little and stood back a 
> bit and it said there a black s u v. Is that awesome or what? wow, 
> just to know whats around me is sweet.
> 
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RE: Tat Tap See

[Neal Ewers]

Hi Dmitriy, I am sorry I miss-spoke about not using crowd sourcing, and I am
very glad to have the correct information. It would appear that lots of
people still feel they need to tell me that I should listen to a podcast
Alan informed me of hours ago. Thanks to Alan, and Jonathan for the help,
and thanks to  other assorted people. One way to cut down on traffic on this
list is to discover that a question has already been answered multiple times
and to not assume that the questioner needs to be reminded over and over
again. Believe me, it's not that I mind being wrong, I just see wasted
resources when the same question has to be answered multiple times.

 

I do have one question for you.

 

What causes the sending of an image to time out? Is it that the image is
unrecognizable, or is it that the image never arrives at the destination.

 

Thanks for your answer. I will be much wiser now in explaining how this app
works when I do my demo of numerous apps.

 

Thanks again for writing and for making this amazing app available.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dmitriy
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tat Tap See

 

Hello Neal,

 

TapTapSee does in fact use a combination of a database algorithm and human
crowdsourcing. The image is first sent out to our database, if it is not
able to recognize it then it is sent out to crowdsourcing.

 

TapTapSee, as mentioned, can take up to five images at a time and will
identify them in order they are received. The images then get deleted, they
are not stored on the user's device. Therefore, there's no need to look for
a clear button. The repeat button helps a user repeat the last identified
result, in case it was missed. The app takes a few seconds to identify an
image. Thus, once an picture is taken, the user should wait a moment for it
to be recognized and for the identification to be read back to the user.

 

I hope the answers I provided help with some of the questions in this
thread. Please feel free to ask anything else that you'd like clarification
on.

 

NOTE: My name is Dmitriy and I work for the company that has created
TapTapSee. You can always ask us questions via Twitter, @TapTapSee
<http://Twitter.com/TapTapSee>  or by sending us an email to
Contact[at]TapTapSeeApp[dot]com.

 

Best Regards,

Dmitriy

On Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:08:50 AM UTC-7, Neal Ewers wrote:

Hi Jonathan, I knew VizWiz did ask a human, but I didn't know that tap tap
see did. According to RNIB, "It compares your photo with a large database
online to work out what it is."

I can find nothing about this using a human.  I know VizWiz does because you
actually send your request to a real person. Can you give me a source for
how Tap Tap See uses human intervention? I ask because I am doing a
presentation on iPhone apps in a few days and I don't want to give them my
incorrect information if it needs to be corrected.

 

Thanks much.

 

Have a nice day down under.

 

Neal

 

 

 

From:   vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:16 AM
To:   vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tat Tap See

 

Hi Neal, TapTapSee employs two techniques. It uses an object recognition
database first. If it can't get a result, then it will try crowd sourcing,
that is to say, asking a human.

 

Jonathan

On 21/04/2013, at 3:19 PM, Neal Ewers 
> wrote:

 

Hi Tap Tap see is never routed to a person.

 

Neal

 

 

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:  vip...@
<http://googlegroups.com/> googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Frank
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:15 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tat Tap See

 

Does anyone know how the Crowd sourcing works with Tap Tap See? Does taking
too many pictures overload the system? If the system doesn't recognize an
object, is it always routed to a person? If so, I will be much more
judicious on the number of objects I ask TTS to identify.

Tom Frank

  vermont...@gmail.com

 

 

 

On Apr 20, 2013, at 5:45 PM, "Neal Ewers" < 
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote:





Patti, This app cycles through 5 pictures which it then deletes. This is why
you will hear it say something like picture 3 of 5. It gets to 5 and starts
all over again, so not to worry.

 

My guess is that there are two issues here. One, you may not have held the
camera in the right place or maybe too close or to far away. Second, it will
definitely depend on the light the camera sees. I can have it look at the
same object in different times of day and it will say slightly different
things. It does time out if it cannot see the picture or if it doesn't know
what it is. I would suggest practicing with this in your home where you know
various objects are located and see if you can come up with some strategies
of wo

RE: Tat Tap See

[Neal Ewers]

I think the answer to your question is that a person would want to do lots
of research to give a demo. I have done just that. Many podcasts and much
research later, I think I know a few things. There are also things I do not
know, and this thread is one example. I think part of learning is being able
to admit that you don't know something. That's how one learns. So this list
is only a fraction of the things I discover about the iPhone I have. But, I
do believe this list is a valuable resource no matter how much you know.
That's because it is a two way exchange of ideas. So I will continue to
research and ask questions both on this list and in other ways. I will also
continue to share my knowledge.

Thanks to all who shared their knowledge on this subject with me and who
continue to share with others in a kind way. 

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lauren Simmons
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tat Tap See

A better way of researching a question is by compiling a pool of go-to
resources and you will not have to ask the list at all. This will probably
eliminate many, many of the questions asked here on almost a weekly cycle. 
Luckily for IOS there's lots of information out there.

Also, if you are going to give a presentation on the iPhone, why would you
not want to conduct lots of research whether podcast or otherwise. Who knows
what else you may not know or not even know to consider in regards to other
apps or features you will be presenting. In other words, though you may not
like it, information of all kinds is always great information.

LS

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From: "Neal Ewers" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Tat Tap See


> Hi Dmitriy, I am sorry I miss-spoke about not using crowd sourcing, and I 
> am
> very glad to have the correct information. It would appear that lots of
> people still feel they need to tell me that I should listen to a podcast
> Alan informed me of hours ago. Thanks to Alan, and Jonathan for the help,
> and thanks to  other assorted people. One way to cut down on traffic on 
> this
> list is to discover that a question has already been answered multiple 
> times
> and to not assume that the questioner needs to be reminded over and over
> again. Believe me, it's not that I mind being wrong, I just see wasted
> resources when the same question has to be answered multiple times.
>
>
>
> I do have one question for you.
>
>
>
> What causes the sending of an image to time out? Is it that the image is
> unrecognizable, or is it that the image never arrives at the destination.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your answer. I will be much wiser now in explaining how this 
> app
> works when I do my demo of numerous apps.
>
>
>
> Thanks again for writing and for making this amazing app available.
>
>
>
> Neal
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dmitriy
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Tat Tap See
>
>
>
> Hello Neal,
>
>
>
> TapTapSee does in fact use a combination of a database algorithm and human
> crowdsourcing. The image is first sent out to our database, if it is not
> able to recognize it then it is sent out to crowdsourcing.
>
>
>
> TapTapSee, as mentioned, can take up to five images at a time and will
> identify them in order they are received. The images then get deleted, 
> they
> are not stored on the user's device. Therefore, there's no need to look 
> for
> a clear button. The repeat button helps a user repeat the last identified
> result, in case it was missed. The app takes a few seconds to identify an
> image. Thus, once an picture is taken, the user should wait a moment for 
> it
> to be recognized and for the identification to be read back to the user.
>
>
>
> I hope the answers I provided help with some of the questions in this
> thread. Please feel free to ask anything else that you'd like 
> clarification
> on.
>
>
>
> NOTE: My name is Dmitriy and I work for the company that has created
> TapTapSee. You can always ask us questions via Twitter, @TapTapSee
> <http://Twitter.com/TapTapSee>  or by sending us an email to
> Contact[at]TapTapSeeApp[dot]com.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dmitriy
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:08:50 AM UTC-7, Neal Ewers wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan, I knew VizWiz did ask a human, but I didn't know that tap tap
> see did. According to RNIB, "It compares your photo with a large database
> online to work out what it is."
>
> I can find nothing about this 

RE: Seeking a memo app that will allow me to apend...

[Neal Ewers]

Wow! It's even accessible. What a nice find.

 

Thanks.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking a memo app that will allow me to apend...

 

Dictamus will do this. It also allows one to edit in the recording. I do not
need to do so now, so am unsure if it is still accessible as I haven't used
it in over a year.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 24/04/2013, at 10:01, "Bill Holton"  wrote:

Hi.

Can someone suggest a recording app that will allow me to come back and add
to the same recording?  I don't mean pause and record, hoping I can spread a
long recording out between days and keep in a single file.  

If not, I could probably use an app that will automatically move from one
recording to the next so I can play back what I recorded without pausing.
Thanks.

 

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RE: password protect a folder?

[Neal Ewers]

I am very tired of certain people on this list complaining about the
miss-spellings and incorrect grammar used by senders. This is an
international list. There are people from all over the world here whose
first language is not English. Perhaps if you tried to ask a question in
Japanese, you might have the same difficulty being understood. If you want
to answer an email and give helpful information, I see no reason to insult
the sender by asking them to re-send just because you don't think their
messages uses proper English. If you really can't understand the question,
you will certainly need more information. However, in this particular
instance, the senders message was clear enough to be dealt with. So deal
with it or not, but let's stop insulting people who are at least willing to
use the grammar they have at their disposal to increase their knowledge.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lauren Simmons
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: password protect a folder?

I was actually referring to the entire message which has grammatical errors
and needlessly challenges one's comprehension of the written word. I
followed your link and took a look at the app and installed anyways since
its free and has some features that might come in handy one day. The few
screens I took a look at appear to be very accessible. Here's some more
info:

FREE One More Day! Download It Now !!!

? N+OTES is the easiest to use notes app with folders support you'll
find on the App Store! Now with all the features you could ever need!

Easy use simple/functional design just to make simple/plain text notes.

Make folders to store your notes in.

Search for folders or notes.

Order/sort your notes by:
- alphabetical
- latest created
- latest modified
- default, manual ordering

When viewing a note you can swipe to turn pages of your notes almost like
real paper! Or tap on the sides to quickly change to next/previous note.

Backup data, export/ import through e-mail, Dropbox.

+ Quickly copy a whole note.
+ Email a note.
+ Set simple reminders
+ Tweet a note using iOS 5 Twitter integration.
+ Facebook post a note using iOS 6 Facebook integration.
+ Message a note to others.
+ Print a note.
+Pinch to zoom in/out note text.
+ Universal application

Retina display supported
 Landscape/Portrait modes supported
 iPad Mini and iPhone 5 compatible
...More.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/n+otes/id480085812?mt=8

LS

- Original Message -
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: password protect a folder?


Hi, I believe he's talking about N+Otes, which does look like a typo,
but is a real program. I have this app and the link is below.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/n+otes/id480085812?mt=8

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On 4/23/2013 6:06 AM, Lauren Simmons wrote:
> This message looks like it contains important information; too bad its
> almost illegible. To the sender, will you please spellcheck and resend.
> It seems like an awful waste to take the time to compose this message
> only to find no one will read it because it can't be read. This type of
> post is almost as annoying as bottom posting because you have to read
> through lots of junk before getting to the important content.
>
> LS
>
> - Original Message - From: "Terje Strømberg"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:56 AM
> Subject: Re: password protect a folder?
>
>
> Hi
>
> Don`t know about folders, but some notes program have pin code or
> password protection that can be enabled in their settings. You can then
> import and save different type of documents like word, pdf. N+Otes have
> this options it looks like + notes recorder in built, but the iCloud
> part of N+Otes does not work here. That is irritating since the program
> is fully accessible and seems to work well.
>
> If memory serves, i believe Nebulous have a password option with more
> signs i.e. letter and numbers.
>
> Take care
>
>
> 22. apr. 2013 kl. 06:33 skrev Maria & Joe Chapman
> :
>
>> HI.  does anyone know if there is a way to password protect a folder
>> on the iphone/  Is there an app that will  let you do this?
>>
>> HI.  does
>> regards
>> Maria and crew from australia
>> email:
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> check out
>> www.95-the-mix.com
>> where we play lots of great music
>>
>>
>>
>>
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RE: password protect a folder?

[Neal Ewers]

Hi Christopher. Perhaps I should have written off list, but I was not just
directing my remarks to one person. I have seen this happen in the past on
this and other lists. Perhaps, also, I should have said that it made me very
sad to see this happening rather than that I was tired of hearing it. Your
points are well taken. However I do stand by my wish that we be a little
more compassionate here. I know what it is like to have to verbalize one's
self in another language and it is not always easy. I for one, would like
this list to be supportive of those who are seeking help.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: password protect a folder?

I think Neal does have a good point. The flip side to putting some effort
into the messages you send out so they'll reach the broadest audience and be
respectful to the list membership is putting some thought into the message
you're reading and not jumping to conclusions. 
I'm sure what I've interpreted as abruptness in the past or a laziness to
proof read, correct grammatical mistakes or use a spell checker has really
come down to differences in culture or language. This is one reason I'm
hesitant to coach a list member on how there posts are coming across,
especially on the list itself. If I think someone is going to be receptive
to some advice, I'll generally take that up with them off list, and I'll try
to be very tactful.

On 04/24/2013 11:04 AM, Lauren Simmons wrote:
> How self-righteous. Take this up with the moderator. you are blatantly 
> violating list rules. As I'm sure you read for yourself, if the 
> moderator thought there was a problem he would have stated as such 
> since he replied to my message. How about knowing your place on this 
> list as just another lister and sending your rants off list--and no, 
> no one will get a chance to read your moralizing, but if you really 
> believed your own sentiments then public pronouncements such as yours
would not matter.
>
> LS
>
> - Original Message - From: "Neal Ewers" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:47 AM
> Subject: RE: password protect a folder?
>
>
> I am very tired of certain people on this list complaining about the 
> miss-spellings and incorrect grammar used by senders. This is an 
> international list. There are people from all over the world here 
> whose first language is not English. Perhaps if you tried to ask a 
> question in Japanese, you might have the same difficulty being 
> understood. If you want to answer an email and give helpful 
> information, I see no reason to insult the sender by asking them to 
> re-send just because you don't think their messages uses proper 
> English. If you really can't understand the question, you will 
> certainly need more information. However, in this particular instance, 
> the senders message was clear enough to be dealt with. So deal with it 
> or not, but let's stop insulting people who are at least willing to use
the grammar they have at their disposal to increase their knowledge.
>
> Neal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Lauren Simmons
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: password protect a folder?
>
> I was actually referring to the entire message which has grammatical 
> errors and needlessly challenges one's comprehension of the written 
> word. I followed your link and took a look at the app and installed 
> anyways since its free and has some features that might come in handy 
> one day. The few screens I took a look at appear to be very 
> accessible. Here's some more
> info:
>
> FREE One More Day! Download It Now !!!
>
> ? N+OTES is the easiest to use notes app with folders support 
> you'll find on the App Store! Now with all the features you could ever
need!
>
> Easy use simple/functional design just to make simple/plain text notes.
>
> Make folders to store your notes in.
>
> Search for folders or notes.
>
> Order/sort your notes by:
> - alphabetical
> - latest created
> - latest modified
> - default, manual ordering
>
> When viewing a note you can swipe to turn pages of your notes almost 
> like real paper! Or tap on the sides to quickly change to next/previous
note.
>
> Backup data, export/ import through e-mail, Dropbox.
>
> + Quickly copy a whole note.
> + Email a note.
> + Set simple reminders
> + Tweet a note using iOS 5 Twitter integration.
> + Facebook post a note using iOS 6 Facebook integration.

RE: Seeking a memo app that will allow me to append...

[Neal Ewers]

Eric, I did see your earlier message as well. And, you're obviously right
about List Recorder. If you have a file recorded and try to record again,
you get the option to replace, append, or insert. You can also select among
several recording file formats and quality levels.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Eric Caron
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking a memo app that will allow me to append...

 

Hi Bill,

 

I tried to send you a reply earlier but must have messed up as I
did not see it posted.

 

I use List Recorder to record in the way you are describing.  It
has append and even pre pend so you can add to the end or to the beginning
of a existing recording.  You can keep doing this as much as you like.

 

I also like that the app is developed for voice over users.  You might also
like the strong organizational capability as it is easy to use and easily
modified to meet your needs.

 

I did look at dictabulus free but didn't look at the $17.00 app.  The free
app seemed usable at first glance but then I started having trouble.  I
noticed the paid app had a 5 star rating but the free one was 2.5. 

 

Anyway List Recorder full is $7.99 

 

I hope you find a good solution.

 

Eric Caron 

On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:





Hi.

Can someone suggest a recording app that will allow me to come back and add
to the same recording?  I don't mean pause and record, hoping I can spread a
long recording out between days and keep in a single file. 

If not, I could probably use an app that will automatically move from one
recording to the next so I can play back what I recorded without pausing.
Thanks.

 

 

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RE: Seeking a memo app that will allow me to append...

[Neal Ewers]

Slight correction. You cannot actually insert, As Eric wisely pointed out,
you can either append, replace, or add to the beginning of the recording.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeking a memo app that will allow me to append...

 

Eric, I did see your earlier message as well. And, you're obviously right
about List Recorder. If you have a file recorded and try to record again,
you get the option to replace, append, or insert. You can also select among
several recording file formats and quality levels.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Eric Caron
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking a memo app that will allow me to append...

 

Hi Bill,

 

I tried to send you a reply earlier but must have messed up as I
did not see it posted.

 

I use List Recorder to record in the way you are describing.  It
has append and even pre pend so you can add to the end or to the beginning
of a existing recording.  You can keep doing this as much as you like.

 

I also like that the app is developed for voice over users.  You might also
like the strong organizational capability as it is easy to use and easily
modified to meet your needs.

 

I did look at dictabulus free but didn't look at the $17.00 app.  The free
app seemed usable at first glance but then I started having trouble.  I
noticed the paid app had a 5 star rating but the free one was 2.5. 

 

Anyway List Recorder full is $7.99 

 

I hope you find a good solution.

 

Eric Caron 

On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:

 

Hi.

Can someone suggest a recording app that will allow me to come back and add
to the same recording?  I don't mean pause and record, hoping I can spread a
long recording out between days and keep in a single file. 

If not, I could probably use an app that will automatically move from one
recording to the next so I can play back what I recorded without pausing.
Thanks.

 

 

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RE: An oddity with contacts

[Neal Ewers]

I have actually had my wife who has vision look at my contacts because I at
first thought there was something wrong with them because the letter
headings did not match up with the names of the contacts. They looked fine
to her, so I assumed it was a voiceover problem. Nice to have more
clarification on this.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An oddity with contacts

This has to do with the headings bug mentioned in earlier messages. It's
annoying as all get out. 

You'll find it in other apps such as Safari when visiting webpages with lots
of headings. VO gets placed all over the place when trying to swipe through.
Oddly enough though, the NFB Newsline app seems to work fine.

I wrote Apple about this the other day and I actually got a response
particular to my message and not just the standard "We appreciate your
message and will forward it to the proper department." Or some such. 

They said that they were aware of the problem and were investigating it, but
could not say more beyond that. So basically we have to wait for a fix if at
all in the next iOS release.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:31 PM
To: ViPhone List
Subject: An oddity with contacts

Hello all. The following is a weird problem that one of my clients is
experiencing and I am not sure how to help them. This is all in the contacts
list. From what I can tell the contacts are in alphabetical order the way
the client wants them to be. They are set up to sort by last name, first
name. And display by first name, last name. This is all good. The problem is
if you are flicking to the right and you come across the letter C the next
contacts which are displayed all start with D. Then as you keep flicking to
the right and you eventually get to the letter E, the contacts after that
start with D. I set the rotor to headings and am experiencing weirdness
there as well. As I flaked down I would hear things like a, B, H, E, F, P,
H. So it is as if things are being misread. However if I hear a letter out
of turn, I touch the screen to see what is there and the correct contact for
the letter it is supposed to be is actually displayed. This is telling me
that voiceover is actually speaking different letters in the headings for
the categories but those letters are not correct. So in my example above the
G is missing. Yet if I stop on that missplaced the letter the contacts for G
are actually spoken. I have never seen this happen before and I am not sure
what to do to fix it. At first I thought the client might have been left
flicking instead of right flicking, but that's not the case.

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RE: An oddity with contacts

[Neal Ewers]

David, Thanks and a couple observations.

This is why I try to explain to new users that they need almost to start
their swiping motion before they touch the screen and end after their finger
is off the screen. It's like an air plane that hits the runway and decides
to take off again. It continues on both ends of the time on the runway.
However, I just noticed something strange.

I just rebooted my phone. Held down the power button for the time required
and then tapped to turn off. When I went into my contacts, I tried to really
do a good job of swiping just like I said before, and they worked perfectly.
However, when I swiped backwards to the beginning and went through them with
a right swipe again, the letters were no longer in sync with the names. 

I'm guessing that one of your helpful bits of knowledge explains this, but I
don't think I swiped any differently the second time than I did the first
time. It is nice to know, however, that my contacts are OK. It's just me and
the iPhone that may not be in total sync. .

Neal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An oddity with contacts

Based on your description, there are a couple things going on.

First, I need to make an assumption. On a few of the letters in contacts,
there are either no, or very few contacts under the particular letter. The
number would be less than 6 to 10 depending on whether the iPhone is a 5 or
an earlier model.

To understand what is going on, you need to be aware of how and when the
iPhone activates its interpretation algorithm for VO commands. All tap,
flick, and other movement-based commands are interpreted and activated when
the finger(s) are removed from the display. However, location tracking of
one finger is activated when one finger touches the display and remains
still for about half a second. This is very important, especially when a
person is learning to use the iPhone. What inevitably happens is, the person
wants to do a flick. The person touches the display. The person is thinking
so hard about doing the technique properly that they hesitate for about half
a second to a second (this amount of hesitation is well-known in martial
arts training). The hesitation moves VO focus to the part of the display
where the person happens to be barely touching the display. Before VO
announces the item that is under the person's finger, the person performs
the flick and removes the finger from the display. The new command
interrupts the announcement of the previous command, VO performs the
required action, and the new location is announced. Because VO's focus was
shifted to a different position / item on the screen, the alphabetical
listings announcements are apparently out of order. Yet, when the screen is
checked, everything is where it is supposed to be. If you pay careful
attention, you will actually notice the same thing occurring even when
letters do not change. It is less noticeable in this case because the first
letter is the same, and we find it much more difficult to remember all the
names in a single letter.

As for the headings, the display shows all letters, and the display is
continuous. If a letter only has one entry, and the next letter also only
has one entry, you can see several heading letters on the display at one
time. If the focused letter is at the top of the display and the hesitation
moves focus to the bottom of the display before the vertical flick is sent,
several letters can be easily skipped. The same is true for the reverse.

Finally, when horizontally flicking, the VO highlight tends to remain near
the middle of the display. When an item in a list is closed, however, that
item and VO tend to be placed at the top of the display.

A note about touching. The display is not pressure sensitive. Barely
touching the display is all that is needed. The touch can be so light that
you are not sure you have touched the screen yet. The location timer
activates at this point because the display does not know whether you are
barely touching it or quite firmly touching it.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 26/04/2013, at 10:31, "Raul A. Gallegos"  wrote:

> Hello all. The following is a weird problem that one of my clients is
experiencing and I am not sure how to help them. This is all in the contacts
list. From what I can tell the contacts are in alphabetical order the way
the client wants them to be. They are set up to sort by last name, first
name. And display by first name, last name. This is all good. The problem is
if you are flicking to the right and you come across the letter C the next
contacts which are displayed all start with D. Then as you keep flicking to
the right and you eventually get to the letter E, the contacts after that
start with D. I set the rotor to headings and am experiencing weirdne

list recorder full version contact

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I am one of the team members who developed List Recorder. So if you have
questions, send them my way. I will share them with the team and see if we
can offer help. I think Eric has already provided the information about
updating, so I won't go there again. I will say that this is not an app we
currently spend a lot of time updating, but who knows, if it is really
fitting people's needs, we might take a look at what other things we can do
within reason.

Thanks Eric for all the help.

Neal




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Regina Alvarado
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: to Eric Carn, (sorry about your name) list recrorder full
version

Thank you so much Eric. It worked.beautifully. Glad to know the in app
upgrade does it for free. Comitting to memory just in case I need later.
Again, sorry about your name. I was way off.

Reggie and Allegra, my little pill

On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:51 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:

Hi Reggie,

   List recorder and List Recorder Full are considered two different apps.
If you purchased List Recorder and then did the in app purchase then you can
repeat those steps and you will not be charged a second time.
If you did not originally purchase the app called List Recorder Full and you
now do that from the app store it is considered a different app and you will
be charged.

So you definitely can get the List Recorder app back without paying again.
You just need to duplicate the process you originally used with the same app
name.

I hope this helps.

Eric Caron  

On Apr 25, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Regina Alvarado 
wrote:

> Ask here before and got no answer so will try again. (smiles)
> 
> Going to ask you Eric since you know about List Recorder. Wiped my phone a
few months back. Reinstalled List Recorder. HoWever, have lite version and
bought upgrade. It is showing I have 2.43 and full is 2.42. No receipt any
longer. Do I hAve to buy again? Would it be in the list in apps in app store
as List Recorder full? If you can't help me retrieve, who do I write to?
Went into contact u!s, but no address to write to. Thanks for help on this.
I want to learn LR better, but I don't want to buy again. Thanks.
> 
> 
> Reggie and Allegra, my little pill
> 
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RE: An oddity with contacts

[Neal Ewers]

David, You're likely right. I was going rather fast. It's not a big bother,
just a curiosity now that I know the contacts are as they should be.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An oddity with contacts

Did you flick faster the second time round? I find that when I am flicking
extremely fast, I start making a similar mistake. What I do is sometimes
touch rather than flick, thereby completely moving the focus of VO. The next
flick, of course, starts VO where I touched the display. Oh, I also become
sloppy with my angle. My flick becomes more diagonal. Once 45 degrees is
passed, the flick changes from horizontal to vertical, and the rotor setting
kicks in. If set to headings, it gets really interesting. If set to things
like language, it can get annoying. :-)

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 26/04/2013, at 11:37, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

> David, Thanks and a couple observations.
> 
> This is why I try to explain to new users that they need almost to 
> start their swiping motion before they touch the screen and end after 
> their finger is off the screen. It's like an air plane that hits the 
> runway and decides to take off again. It continues on both ends of the
time on the runway.
> However, I just noticed something strange.
> 
> I just rebooted my phone. Held down the power button for the time 
> required and then tapped to turn off. When I went into my contacts, I 
> tried to really do a good job of swiping just like I said before, and they
worked perfectly.
> However, when I swiped backwards to the beginning and went through 
> them with a right swipe again, the letters were no longer in sync with the
names.
> 
> I'm guessing that one of your helpful bits of knowledge explains this, 
> but I don't think I swiped any differently the second time than I did 
> the first time. It is nice to know, however, that my contacts are OK. 
> It's just me and the iPhone that may not be in total sync. .
> 
> Neal
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: An oddity with contacts
> 
> Based on your description, there are a couple things going on.
> 
> First, I need to make an assumption. On a few of the letters in 
> contacts, there are either no, or very few contacts under the 
> particular letter. The number would be less than 6 to 10 depending on 
> whether the iPhone is a 5 or an earlier model.
> 
> To understand what is going on, you need to be aware of how and when 
> the iPhone activates its interpretation algorithm for VO commands. All 
> tap, flick, and other movement-based commands are interpreted and 
> activated when the finger(s) are removed from the display. However, 
> location tracking of one finger is activated when one finger touches 
> the display and remains still for about half a second. This is very 
> important, especially when a person is learning to use the iPhone. 
> What inevitably happens is, the person wants to do a flick. The person 
> touches the display. The person is thinking so hard about doing the 
> technique properly that they hesitate for about half a second to a 
> second (this amount of hesitation is well-known in martial arts 
> training). The hesitation moves VO focus to the part of the display 
> where the person happens to be barely touching the display. Before VO 
> announces the item that is under the person's finger, the person 
> performs the flick and removes the finger from the display. The new 
> command interrupts the announcement of the previous command, VO 
> performs the required action, and the new location is announced. 
> Because VO's focus was shifted to a different position / item on the 
> screen, the alphabetical listings announcements are apparently out of 
> order. Yet, when the screen is checked, everything is where it is 
> supposed to be. If you pay careful attention, you will actually notice 
> the same thing occurring even when letters do not change. It is less 
> noticeable in this case because the first letter is the same, and we find
it much more difficult to remember all the names in a single letter.
> 
> As for the headings, the display shows all letters, and the display is 
> continuous. If a letter only has one entry, and the next letter also 
> only has one entry, you can see several heading letters on the display 
> at one time. If the focused letter is at the top of the display and 
> the hesitation moves focus t

RE: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of

[Neal Ewers]

I wonder if you will find that many volunteers who would be willing to give
out their information to have someone contact them. I suppose you could find
some way around this with anonimus names and contact information listed, but
I'm not sure of this. Also, who is going to make sure there are enough
volunteers scheduled for 24 hours a day. I would hate to purchase an app
only to be told that no volunteer was available when I needed them most.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of RobH!
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of

hummmnmnmnm,...Ok, very good point; and true, I'd not thought of it.

I'll shut up, might not buy it, but for sure it's not a point I can argue
against.

RobH.
- Original Message -
From: "Ricardo Walker" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of


Hi,

so, you wouldn't mind giving out your phone number or e-mail to total 
strangers just to have them read a label on a can?  Or your skype handle? 
Because, to use the apps already out there, thats what it would take. 
Granted, many wouldn't mind giving up there anonymity but, I'm sure there 
are those who don't want personal information to be exchanged with strangers

for such a service.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:37 AM, RobH!  wrote:

> True, the base of volunteers is good, I like that;  but  a specialist app
> still seems superfluous in the light of those two means of video transfer.
>
> Rh.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Roger Frischenmeyer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:09 AM
> Subject: Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
>
>
> Those 2 ideas work very well, if you have family members but if not, they
> probably don't work well at all. I think this has potintial.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Lauren Simmons" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
>
>
> For the most part, this already exists, its called Skype. Its also called
> Facetime. The volunteers are family members. I've been doing a similar 
> thing
> for years. :)
>
> LS
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Søren Jensen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:16 AM
> Subject: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
>
>
> Hi all.
>
> I'm involved in this cool project. Read more here:
>
> Be My Eyes is a non-profit initiative that aims to equip blind with "a 
> pair
> of eyes" which fits into your pocket. This can be done by the blind at any
> time, on his/her smart phone: you start an application, and can through 
> this
> be put in direct video connection with a voluntary sighted person. The
> sighted volunteer helps you through the camera in the blind person's smart
> phone to see (video transmitted to the helpers smart phone) what the blind
> person is pointing at with the smart phone camera and can solve a given
> task. The task could, for example. be: Reading the date on a milk carton,
> see if two socks are alike, read the buttons on the washing machine, etc. 
> It
> is the blind who has control over what the volunteer sees, while the
> volunteer can for example say "a little closer" or "date is on the other
> side of the milk carton." This way the blind and the sighted volunteer 
> help
> each other to solve the given task.
>
> The technical part of the project is, first, to develop an application
> available for the blind that can connect the users with sighted 
> volunteers -
> here is so far developed a prototype. The second part is to develop a 
> system
> on a server that all Be My Eyes will run on. When you create a user 
> account
> on the system, you could choose whether you are the visual impaired who
> needs help, or if you are the sighted person who wants to help. The 
> sighted
> help to be able both to use the system on an iPhone (or other smart phone
> platforms), an iPad tablet (or other tablet platforms) with a larger 
> screen
> so it's easier to see the image and on a computer where the image is, of
> course, it depends on the screen connected to the computer.
>
> The idea is to build a network of volunteers who want to help. You can 
> even
> sign in and out anything useful, and you can specify what time of the day 
> or
> week you have time to help, where you will be notified accordingly. If
> technology allows, then the visually impaired also use the app over 3G and
> 4G, making the possibilities endless, since in this way you can use the
> system anywhere. This requires of course that as a visually impaired learn
> some techniques to use the camera properly. The advantage of video 
> interview
> is that the sighted volunteer can guide one to use the camera properly,
> which eventually becom

RE: using an apple keyboard please help

[Neal Ewers]

See
http://decadentwaste.net/decadentwaste/2011/03/navigate-using-a-bluetooth-ke
yboard-on-your-ios-device

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ted Clark
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: using an apple keyboard please help

Hi all:
I just got an apple keyboard which I would like to use with my ipad.
I've always used windows so I honestly have no clue How to get started with
the keyboard.
could any one please assist me and possibly give me some
suggestions/ideas/tips?
I am not sure but some of the things I want to do is be able to read and
navigate web pages, copy and paste.
thanks

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RE: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of

[Neal Ewers]

TapTapSee does the same kind of thing but it gets croud sourced without your
even having to select the send to web button. You just take a picture and
off it goes, and the answer shortly follows.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lelia Struve
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of

Has anyone actually use an app to tell them the expiration date on a gallon
or carton of milk? If so what app was it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2013, at 6:41 PM, "Andrew Head"  wrote:

> Vizwiz already does this. You take a photo record a question and it 
> uploads to a server and volunteers send answers back.
> This is just my humble opinion, but if you skype or facetime a person 
> just to get the answer to a question like what can is this or the 
> expiary date etc, using vizwiz or even a scanning app such as text 
> detective seems much quicker and more efficient, and if you were to 
> call a stranger ask your question and have them answer you probably in 
> less than a minute, seems a bit pointless use of data and time 
> consumption when there are already other apps out there.
> I agree when you have sighted family and friends as well as other apps 
> I've mentioned and others, I personally feel there isn't a need for this
one.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013 12:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
> 
> Hi:
> Hi:
> Their are people who don't have access to family or friends that can 
> help them sometimes. However the technology already exists to do what 
> is being proposed. The idea of using volunteers and Skype or facetime 
> has more potential. If people are concerned with privacy and not 
> giving away their info all they need to do is set up accounts in Skype 
> or email that they don't care about.
> 
> 
> On 4/29/13, Lauren Simmons  wrote:
>> Hi Ron,
>> 
>> I realize the following has the probability of coming off as rude; 
>> especially as we all just finished discussing this reading 
>> comprehension point, but you have lost track of the thread. You might 
>> want to slow down your screen reader or take a little more time to 
>> carefully read messages. I
>> 
>> have no association with this project. :)
>> 
>> LS
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Ron Pelletier" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 6:44 AM
>> Subject: RE: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Lauren,
>> 
>> I think you have a good idea and I would like to make a donation but, 
>> I can't bring myself to doing so until you have something more concrete.
>> Right now you seem to have good plans but they are only plans. Most 
>> of what you suggest already exists  .  I have no way of knowing if 
>> this will ever go to market.
>> 
>> Ron & Danvers
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Roger Frischenmeyer
>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:10 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
>> 
>> Those 2 ideas work very well, if you have family members but if not, 
>> they probably don't work well at all. I think this has potintial.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Lauren Simmons" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
>> 
>> 
>> For the most part, this already exists, its called Skype. Its also 
>> called Facetime. The volunteers are family members. I've been doing a 
>> similar thing for years. :)
>> 
>> LS
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Søren Jensen" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:16 AM
>> Subject: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I'm involved in this cool project. Read more here:
>> 
>> Be My Eyes is a non-profit initiative that aims to equip blind with 
>> "a pair of eyes" which fits into your pocket. This can be done by the 
>> blind at any time, on his/her smart phone: you start an application, 
>> and can through this be put in direct video connection with a 
>> voluntary sighted person. The sighted volunteer helps you through the 
>> camera in the blind person's smart phone to see (video transmitted to 
>> the helpers smart phone) what the blind person is pointing at with 
>> the smart phone camera and can solve a given task. The task could, 
>> for example. be: Reading the date on a milk carton, see if two socks 
>> are alike, read the buttons on the washing machine, etc.
>> It
>> is the blind who has control over what the volunteer sees, while the 
>> volunteer can for example say "a little closer" or "date is on the 
>> other side of the milk carton." 

RE: How to be blind episode 45

[Neal Ewers]

Please accept this as positive criticism. 

Lauren is right, there are lots of shows like this. So, what makes yours
stand out. After listening for about 10 minutes, what I heard was a group of
people who are blind trying to sound like a panel of news correspondents and
stumbling all over each other's lines. I just didn't find it interesting.
Perhaps a bit more focus and a bit more script planning is in order. I know,
some people like spontaneity, and I am not suggesting that this should be
done away with. But sometimes spontaneity needs to follow a loose script so
that it doesn't degenerate into just so much talk about not much of
anything.

Remember, I said this was positive. I think this has some promise, and I am
sure there are people who like it just the way it is. For my enjoyment and
edification, I want to find out things of important with a lot less
unrelated chatter that I have to wade through to get there.

Good luck with your efforts. And people, don't start bashing the messenger
because you think my criticism too harsh. That's not where I am coming from.
I would guess the people who run this podcast want feedback, and that is all
this is.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lauren Simmons
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to be blind episode 45

There's now a hundred shows like this. Most on this list have a high
probability of already knowing what is being presented. I passed after
listening a couple of minutes.

LS

- Original Message -
From: "Exracer" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:20 AM
Subject: RE: How to be blind episode 45


>I listened to this podcast yesterday and really enjoyed it. Now that I took
> the time to listen and must say that I liked the discussion and content of
> the podcast, I will definatly listen again. All that this discussion has
> done is to spark my interest of the file and for all the time that people
> have been complaining about it, they could have listened to the entire
> podcast. Thank you for producing this production and hope for more.
>
> Jay
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Donald Moore
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: How to be blind episode 45
>
> Or at least how it relates to the iPhone.  Sending me to a website is kind
> of like spam from other companies.
>
> I'd rethink the marketing strategy.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Lauren Simmons
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to be blind episode 45
>
> Donald,
>
> the idea is to drive listers to the website. If the person would have told
> you outright what the subject matter was then you would probably delete 
> the
> message. By giving you such little information and a link, the goal is for
> you to be curious enough to click. At this point you are now on their
> website and can read about their many other offerings. I don't like when
> people do this as it makes me feel like I'm being manipulated, but this is
> how some do things.
>
> LS
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Donald L. Roberts" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: How to be blind episode 45
>
>
>> Mike, Rather than post a generic message suggesting that interested
>> persons listen to the show, may I suggest that you place some sort of
>> capsule synopsis outlining the contents and the basics of the program.
>>
>> Don Roberts
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2013 5:41 PM, Mike wrote:
>>> Hi everyone!
>>> A handful of us who belong to this list have released the newest How to
>>> be Blind podcast!
>>> Here is the link to the post where you can listen to the show and read
>>> the show notes.
>>> Take care!
>>> http://htb2.com/2013/04/28/episode-45-the-living-room-scorpion/
>>>
>>> Mike
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RE: using an apple keyboard please help

[Neal Ewers]

That is because the line gets split in some email clients. You'll have to
cut and paste and copy it into your browser.


Neal

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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:52 PM
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Subject: Re: using an apple keyboard please help

When I go to the link it takes me to a page called decadentwaste, but the
page has no content. It just says it can't find what I'm looking for.

Sarah
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Subject: RE: using an apple keyboard please help


> See
>
http://decadentwaste.net/decadentwaste/2011/03/navigate-using-a-bluetooth-ke
> yboard-on-your-ios-device
>
> Neal
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: using an apple keyboard please help
>
> Hi all:
> I just got an apple keyboard which I would like to use with my ipad.
> I've always used windows so I honestly have no clue How to get started 
> with
> the keyboard.
> could any one please assist me and possibly give me some
> suggestions/ideas/tips?
> I am not sure but some of the things I want to do is be able to read and
> navigate web pages, copy and paste.
> thanks
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RE: using an apple keyboard please help

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Try

http://tinyurl.com/bjy2m39

Neal


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When I go to the link it takes me to a page called decadentwaste, but the
page has no content. It just says it can't find what I'm looking for.

Sarah
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Subject: RE: using an apple keyboard please help


> See
>
http://decadentwaste.net/decadentwaste/2011/03/navigate-using-a-bluetooth-ke
> yboard-on-your-ios-device
>
> Neal
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Ted Clark
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: using an apple keyboard please help
>
> Hi all:
> I just got an apple keyboard which I would like to use with my ipad.
> I've always used windows so I honestly have no clue How to get started 
> with
> the keyboard.
> could any one please assist me and possibly give me some
> suggestions/ideas/tips?
> I am not sure but some of the things I want to do is be able to read and
> navigate web pages, copy and paste.
> thanks
>
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RE: [vi-kindle] New Accessibility Features to Free Kindle Reading iOS Apps

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, there are a number of Kindle apps in the store. Which one am I looking
for? Thanks for your help.

Neal



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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:56 PM
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Subject: RE: [vi-kindle] New Accessibility Features to Free Kindle Reading
iOS Apps

Double-tap anywhere on the screen and the menu will appear.
 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:19 PM
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Subject: RE: [vi-kindle] New Accessibility Features to Free Kindle Reading
iOS Apps

On a related note, does anyone know how to get back to the list of books and
other sections of the app after having begun to read a particular title? 

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Subject: Re: [vi-kindle] New Accessibility Features to Free Kindle Reading
iOS Apps

Hi: I installed and tested the Kindle app. I am excited and shocked to say
it works.

On 5/1/13, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> FYI, amazing news, totally unexpected.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Rick alfaro
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: [vi-kindle] New Accessibility Features to Free Kindle Reading 
> iOS Apps
> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 07:53:46 -0700
> From: Russ Kiehne 
> Reply-To: vi-kin...@freelists.org
> To: Vi-Kindle 
>
> New Accessibility Features to Free Kindle Reading iOS Apps May 1, 2013
> 6:06:07 AM PDT Kevin G. - Community Manager
> says:
> (AMAZON OFFICIAL)
> Today we announced new accessibility features for the Kindle reading 
> app, making it easier than ever for blind and visually impaired 
> customers to navigate their Kindle libraries, read and interact with 
> their books, and more.  These new features are available starting 
> today on Kindle for iOS, and accessibility enhancements will be 
> available on additional platforms in the future.
> New accessibility features of the Kindle app enable blind and visually 
> impaired customers
> to:
> -Read aloud over 1.5 million titles available in the Kindle Store
using
> Apple's
> VoiceOver technology. Over 300,000 of these books are exclusive to the 
> Kindle Store.
> Over 700,000 books are less than $4.99; over a million are less than
$9.99.
> -Seamlessly navigate within their library or within a book, with
> consistent title,
> menu and button names; navigate to a specific page within a book and 
> sort books in the library by author or title.
> -Read character-by-character, word-by-word, line-by-line, or
> continuously, as well
> as move forward or backward in the text.
> -Search for a book within their library or search within their book
and
> navigate
> to specific text.
> -Add and delete notes, bookmarks, and highlights.
> -Use customer-favorite features like X-Ray, End Actions and sharing on
> Facebook
> and Twitter.
> -Look up words in the dictionary and Wikipedia.
> -Customize the reading experience including changing the font, text
> size, background
> color, margin, and brightness.
> -Use iOS accessibility features like Zoom, Assistive Touch, and Stereo
> to Mono,
> as well as peripheral braille displays.
> Other new features include:
> -Easily rate and review books by accessing `Before you go...' directly
> from The
> `Go to' menu
> -Enhancements to `Before you go...' including the ability to download
a
> free sample
> and email yourself a reminder about recommended books.
> -Additional Font Selection for Japan - Hiragino Mincho ProN (Serif)
> These new accessibility features are available first on the Kindle app 
> for iOS and accessibility features will be added to other Kindle apps 
> in the future.
> Customers
> can download the new Kindle for iOS app for free from the App Store on 
> iPad, iPhone or iPod touch or at http://www.itunes.com/appstore.
> Blind and visually impaired customers interested in using a Kindle app 
> can also choose Kindle for PC with Accessibility Plugin, a free 
> application for Windows PC's.
> You can download a quick reference guide here:
> Kindle for iOS Accessibility Gestures - Quick Reference Guide If you 
> need assistance with this update, please drop by the Kindle Help Forum
> -
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/forums/kindleqna/ref=kindle_hel
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How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the iPhone

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, If I download a book directly to my iPhone, is there any way I can keep
it permanently. If I delete if from the phone, it will likely delete it from
iTunes assuming I have synced it. Am I better off downloading books directly
to my computer where I can place the ones I have read in a particular
folder? Or, are there other ways to make sure I have a permanent copy of the
book? Example, is there a place in iTunes where the book is stored such that
I could make a copy of it?

 

Thanks much.

 

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Possibly off topic Kindle problem

[Neal Ewers]

The reason this may be off topic is that it has to do with the
inaccessibility of a part of their web site that supports the app and not
the app itself. If I am crossing the line here, the moderators will let me
know.

 

I can not delete books from the cloud as a sighted person would. If I go to
manage my Kindle to the book I want to delete from the cloud, there is a pop
up actions menu that neither JAWS or NVDA will open. I just spend an hour on
the phone with Amazon and was told that that pop up contains the delete
option. They are alerting their web people to the fact that this may be a
screen reader problem at least in Windows.

 

I just wanted to report this in case people had the same problem. I don't
think people will want to hear from everyone if they are simply confirming
this. However, if you do get it to work, it would be nice to know how you
did it.

 

Thanks much, and sorry if I stretched the bounds of the list topics.

 

Neal

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RE: Possibly off topic Kindle problem

[Neal Ewers]

Tom, I did as you suggested. I also did this while on the phone with Amazon.
I get a list with the things you suggested. One of them is delete from
library. When I click this link, nothing happens. The book is still there.

 

I'll do some more research on this. No need to further clutter up the list.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thom
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Possibly off topic Kindle problem

 

Hi Neal,

When you go to the kingle library and hit T for table, go to the book that
you want to delete. just after the date of purchase, there is a clickable
actions button. Hit enter on that. Then go to the top of the page. It should
ask if you want to send it to your kindle, loan it, delete it. Thee are a
few more options.

 

Try clicking that link.

 

HTH, and let me know how it works for you,

Thom

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Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Possibly off topic Kindle problem

The reason this may be off topic is that it has to do with the
inaccessibility of a part of their web site that supports the app and not
the app itself. If I am crossing the line here, the moderators will let me
know.

 

I can not delete books from the cloud as a sighted person would. If I go to
manage my Kindle to the book I want to delete from the cloud, there is a pop
up actions menu that neither JAWS or NVDA will open. I just spend an hour on
the phone with Amazon and was told that that pop up contains the delete
option. They are alerting their web people to the fact that this may be a
screen reader problem at least in Windows.

 

I just wanted to report this in case people had the same problem. I don't
think people will want to hear from everyone if they are simply confirming
this. However, if you do get it to work, it would be nice to know how you
did it.

 

Thanks much, and sorry if I stretched the bounds of the list topics.

 

Neal

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RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the iPhone

[Neal Ewers]

Hi David you said. "When syncing your iPhone with iTunes, go into the apps
radial button. You will find a list of apps which let you exchange files.
You can transfer books to and from the specific app to anywhere on your
computer using this function."

 

I'm sorry, I can't get there with these instructions. I can find the list of
apps, but I have no clue how to transfer them other than by syncing the
phone and iTunes. Is this what you meant? If not, could you elaborate
please?

 

Thanks.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

When syncing your iPhone with iTunes, go into the apps radial button. You
will find a list of apps which let you exchange files. You can transfer
books to and from the specific app to anywhere on your computer using this
function.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 03/05/2013, at 3:48, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

Hi, If I download a book directly to my iPhone, is there any way I can keep
it permanently. If I delete if from the phone, it will likely delete it from
iTunes assuming I have synced it. Am I better off downloading books directly
to my computer where I can place the ones I have read in a particular
folder? Or, are there other ways to make sure I have a permanent copy of the
book? Example, is there a place in iTunes where the book is stored such that
I could make a copy of it?

 

Thanks much.

 

Neal

 

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RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the iPhone

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, Thanks for all the help, but where does the book actually show up on my
computer?

Neal


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Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

Lol,

Sorry.  I just saw Garth's message.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On May 3, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> If they are iBooks or audiobooks purchased from iTunes, I think it would
be much easier to select transfer purchases.  I think this option is found
in the file menu.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that?  
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
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> 
> On May 3, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> 
>> Hi David you said. "When syncing your iPhone with iTunes, go into the 
>> apps radial button. You will find a list of apps which let you exchange
files.
>> You can transfer books to and from the specific app to anywhere on 
>> your computer using this function."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry, I can't get there with these instructions. I can find the 
>> list of apps, but I have no clue how to transfer them other than by 
>> syncing the phone and iTunes. Is this what you meant? If not, could 
>> you elaborate please?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Neal
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download 
>> to the iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When syncing your iPhone with iTunes, go into the apps radial button. 
>> You will find a list of apps which let you exchange files. You can 
>> transfer books to and from the specific app to anywhere on your 
>> computer using this function.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> 
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/05/2013, at 3:48, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, If I download a book directly to my iPhone, is there any way I 
>> can keep it permanently. If I delete if from the phone, it will 
>> likely delete it from iTunes assuming I have synced it. Am I better 
>> off downloading books directly to my computer where I can place the 
>> ones I have read in a particular folder? Or, are there other ways to 
>> make sure I have a permanent copy of the book? Example, is there a 
>> place in iTunes where the book is stored such that I could make a copy of
it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks much.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Neal
>> 
>> 
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What's the difference between sync and transfer purchases

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, an elementary question I am sure, but I have had mixed answers. Some say
that Syncing copies things from iTunes to the phone. And transfer purchases
copies from the device to iTunes. Trouble is, this is not my experience.
When I sync, I am asked if I want to transfer voice memos from my device to
iTunes. So, it is obviously not just transferring things from iTunes to the
phone.

 

My original understanding was the sync went both ways and transfer purchases
copied information about the things I purchased on my device into iTunes.

 

Anyone care to enlighten me on this mystery? I thank you for doing so.

 

Neal

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RE: What's the difference between sync and transfer purchases

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, Sieghard, Just to clarify for others, I do not get the message about
voice memos when transferring purchases. I only get it when Syncing, and
this is how it should be. I just wanted to make sure I was on the right
track here.

 

Neal

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What's the difference between sync and transfer purchases

 

Hi Neil,

 

You are correct, but as "Transfer Purchases" implies, it deals strictly with
purchases and your voice memos are not purchases. If you purchase an app,
song or other media on your iPhone and you don't have automatic download
enabled in iTunes which means whatever you buy is not also downloaded to
iTunes, you do have to transfer purchases. I have often wanted to do a sync
and received a message that there were purchased items on my phone and do I
want to transfer them to iTunes.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What's the difference between sync and transfer purchases

 

Hi, an elementary question I am sure, but I have had mixed answers. Some say
that Syncing copies things from iTunes to the phone. And transfer purchases
copies from the device to iTunes. Trouble is, this is not my experience.
When I sync, I am asked if I want to transfer voice memos from my device to
iTunes. So, it is obviously not just transferring things from iTunes to the
phone.

 

My original understanding was the sync went both ways and transfer purchases
copied information about the things I purchased on my device into iTunes.

 

Anyone care to enlighten me on this mystery? I thank you for doing so.

 

Neal

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RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the iPhone

[Neal Ewers]

David, For someone who does not use windows any more, those were very good
instructions. There is only one problem, Even though my device says the book
is downloaded, the tree view for Kindle which I arrived at by following your
instructions is blank. Interesting in that other apps have items in the tree
view, but not Kindle. So, you have gotten me to the right place,. I think,
perhaps, the Kindle app is doing something strange here. I'm not asking you
to tell me what is going on. You have answered my question. But it is most
curious.

 

Neal

 

 

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Of David Chittenden
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

I no longer use Windows, having transferred to the Mac in 2011. On the Mac,
the process is slightly different. As it has been a couple years, I cannot
provide exact instructions for Windows iTunes.

 

When you are in the main list, you down-arrow to the iPhone selection. Press
tab to get to a series of radial buttons. Each radial button is for a
different aspect of your iDevice. Since you want to move books from an app
on your iDevice to your computer, you need to select the apps radial button
by pressing either space or enter on it (I think). You then tab to the
information area. Tab through the columns until you find the table which
says something about transferring information between certain apps and your
computer. Find the app that has the information you desire in the table.
With the app highlighted, tab to the button that tells iTunes to show the
information in the app. Find the information (book in this case) that you
want to transfer to your computer and find the information you select to
tell Windows where to save the book.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 04/05/2013, at 4:01, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

Hi David you said. "When syncing your iPhone with iTunes, go into the apps
radial button. You will find a list of apps which let you exchange files.
You can transfer books to and from the specific app to anywhere on your
computer using this function."

 

I'm sorry, I can't get there with these instructions. I can find the list of
apps, but I have no clue how to transfer them other than by syncing the
phone and iTunes. Is this what you meant? If not, could you elaborate
please?

 

Thanks.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

When syncing your iPhone with iTunes, go into the apps radial button. You
will find a list of apps which let you exchange files. You can transfer
books to and from the specific app to anywhere on your computer using this
function.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 03/05/2013, at 3:48, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

Hi, If I download a book directly to my iPhone, is there any way I can keep
it permanently. If I delete if from the phone, it will likely delete it from
iTunes assuming I have synced it. Am I better off downloading books directly
to my computer where I can place the ones I have read in a particular
folder? Or, are there other ways to make sure I have a permanent copy of the
book? Example, is there a place in iTunes where the book is stored such that
I could make a copy of it?

 

Thanks much.

 

Neal

 

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RE: Kindle App: Easily Determining Page Number

[Neal Ewers]

That would get rid of the sounds, but not the pauses which I also think Rick
was asking about. I'm guessing the pause is caused by the device having to
re-draw the screen and I'm also guessing there is no way around this. But,
it would be nice to be wrong about this.

Neal


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Of DJ
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Kindle App: Easily Determining Page Number

You could switch the phone to Mute.  That would mute all sounds.

 

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Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 1:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kindle App: Easily Determining Page Number

Does anyone know if there is any way of getting rid of the pause and audible
chirp one gets when reading continuously and going from page to page?  I'd
love to be able to disable this, finding it distracting and somewhat
annoying.



Best,

Rick alfaro

On 5/3/2013 9:01 AM, ROBERT CARTER wrote:
> Hi Craig,
>
> Three finger swipe from right to left for next page and three finger 
> swipe
from left to right for previous page. Also, a two finger swipe down from top
to bottom will read continuously automatically changing pages.
>
> Robert Carter
> On May 2, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
>> Greetings to the list.
>>
>> Is there a way to determine what page one is reading without going to 
>> the menu of the Kindle App?
>>
>> I notice page numbers don't appear to be displayed in the Table of 
>> Contents.  I haven't looked at many books in my library.  Perhaps 
>> this function is not available for all books.
>>
>> Craig
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RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the iPhone

[Neal Ewers]

Raul. Once again, marvelous answer. But how can I do this if the Kindle tree
view is empty? I know the book is on my device, but when I follow the
instructions you and others give, it does not appear in the tree view of
Kindle books on my device. What now?

Neal



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Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

Hi Neal and others. In the Kindle transfer specifically, when you arrow to
the entry and then tab once to the add button you are presented with a file
name edit box. This is like the typical file open selection of Windows.
After you upload the file it will show up in the device section of the
Kindle app. Now since your question is on downloading, what you do in this
case is tab once past the add button and there is a save as button. Press
this and the file you are selected on will save to your last used folder.
Again, the typical Windows file selection dialog will open with the file
name already filled in for you. Press enter to accept the name and location
and it will be in the folder you last used. If you want to change the
folder,k press shift-tab twice when you are in this file name selection
dialog box and you will be in the folder it is going to save to. Press
backspace here to go to the parent folder and if you need to, again until
you eventually navigate to the desktop. Again, this is the same type of safe
as dialog that is found in other windows programs. Once you choose, my
documents for example, press tab twice again to reach the edit box with the
file name and it should still be there, provided you didn't accidentally
change it by selecting an existing file during your folder change trek. Now
press enter and the file will save to the location you chose. The next time
you do this, the same folder will be used. it sounds complicated, but it's
not too bad once you do this. Oh, and earlier i mentioned pressing shift-tab
twice from the file name edit box to reach the list of files in the folder. 
This is true for windows vista and 7 users, but if using xp, then shift-tab
is only pressed once. This is because of that extra sorting control ms uses
when you are in an explorer window. I hope this makes sense and that I
didn't complicate it further.

Thanks.

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On 5/3/2013 2:47 PM, Neal Ewers wrote:
> David, For someone who does not use windows any more, those were very 
> good instructions. There is only one problem, Even though my device 
> says the book is downloaded, the tree view for Kindle which I arrived 
> at by following your instructions is blank. Interesting in that other 
> apps have items in the tree view, but not Kindle. So, you have gotten 
> me to the right place,. I think, perhaps, the Kindle app is doing 
> something strange here. I'm not asking you to tell me what is going 
> on. You have answered my question. But it is most curious.
>
> Neal
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *David Chittenden
> *Sent:* Friday, May 03, 2013 2:27 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download 
> to the iPhone
>
> I no longer use Windows, having transferred to the Mac in 2011. On the 
> Mac, the process is slightly different. As it has been a couple years, 
> I cannot provide exact instructions for Windows iTunes.
>
> When you are in the main list, you down-arrow to the iPhone selection.
> Press tab to get to a series of radial buttons. Each radial button is 
> for a different aspect of your iDevice. Since you want to move books 
> from an app on your iDevice to your computer, you need to select the 
> apps radial button by pressing either space or enter on it (I think).
> You then tab to the information area. Tab through the columns until 
> you find the table which says something about transferring information 
> between certain apps and your computer. Find the app that has the 
> information you desire in the table. With the app highlighted, tab to 
> the button that tells iTunes to show the information in the app. Find 
> the information (book in this case) that you want to transfer to your 
> computer and find the information you select to tell Windows where to 
> save the book.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 04/05/2013, at 4:01, "Neal Ewers"  <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi David you said. "When syncing y

Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when looking at the device connected

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, Raul and I had a go at seeing if we could find Kindle books in iTunes by
looking at the device, checking apps, and going to sharing to see what could
be saved to the computer. I don't know how this works on the Mac, but what
we discovered was that when we selected Kindle, the tree view was blank.
Actually, free books showed up, but the book he had just purchased and the
one I have did not show up at all. Other apps in the list had a populated
tree view and thus you got a save button and could put the items where you
wanted. However, the save button did not show up under the Kindle tree view
if the books you had on the device were purchased.

 

Just another little Apple oddity.

 

Neal

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RE: Kindle App Question

[Neal Ewers]

Select your device in the kindle app and double tap and hold on the book
title. You will get a delete option. If you want to delete it from the
cloud, good luck. You have to do that on the amazon site and you click on an
Action menu which, at least for me and a couple I have talked with, needs a
bit of work by Amazon.

Neal


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Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:25 PM
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How do you delete a book if you know longer want it?
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From: "Jane" 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kindle App Question


> You ought to be able to read them. It downloads from the cloud onto your 
> device and it stays there. Just do your downloading before you board the 
> flight is all.
>
> Jane
>
>
>
>
> On May 1, 2013, at 9:28 PM, "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." 
>  wrote:
>
>> Do you mean we can't read Kindle books in-flight?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:13 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Kindle App Question
>>
>> When you read the book it downloads but the book is always in the cloud. 
>> If you really want a copy that you can keep you can always get the Kindle

>> app for the PC and download a book on to the  PC.
>>
>> On 5/1/13, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> Correct, and your bookmarks, and reading location is synced through
>>> Amazon cloud.
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 02/05/2013, at 12:42, "Thom"  wrote:
>>>
 Don't quote me on this, but I think that amazon keeps your content in
 their cloud.
 The IOS app touts that you can use it on multiple devices, and it
 remembers where you left off.

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 Is it possible to save books downloaded from Amazon to the Kindle app
 to the computer through iTunes? I just want to have copies in case
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How do you deal with the table of contents on a Kindle book

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Hi, I can go to the table of contents of a book, and I can read by line and
get to the chapter I want. But, I can't figure out how to get the app to
read from that point.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Neal

 

 

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RE: How do you deal with the table of contents on a Kindle book

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Hi, this doesn't seem to work on the free book I am reading. The collected
short stories of Edgar Alan Poe. Perhaps this is just more like a text file
with no formatting. I'll try it on some other purchased books.

Neal


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Neal, once you find the line containing the chapter number or name you want
to red, double-tapping should start reading from the start of that chapter.

Craig

On 5/3/13, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> Hi, I can go to the table of contents of a book, and I can read by 
> line and get to the chapter I want. But, I can't figure out how to get 
> the app to read from that point.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
>
>
> Neal
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RE: Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when looking at the device connected

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Well, I'm not sure I can confirm the Amazon oddity. I can see all the books
on my Wife's Kindle reader just by plugging it in to my computer and there
they all are. I can copy them all to some place else as well. So I am
beginning to believe that Apple just doesn't want to have you able to do
this. Yet, the app is made by amazon. So who knows. My suspicion is that
this might be one of the things Amazon had to do in order to please Apple,
but that's just a hunch.

The bottom line is that the iPhone app behaves very differently in this
regard than does the kindle itself.

 

Neal

 

 

 

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Of Keith Watson
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when looking at
the device connected

 

Actually if you think about it, Amazon did this intentionally. The only area
that you can get to is the Docs area through iTunes. One more DRM attempt.
So it's not actually a Apple oddity it's an Amazon oddity.

 

Just saying'

 

Keith

 

On May 3, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:





Hi, Raul and I had a go at seeing if we could find Kindle books in iTunes by
looking at the device, checking apps, and going to sharing to see what could
be saved to the computer. I don't know how this works on the Mac, but what
we discovered was that when we selected Kindle, the tree view was blank.
Actually, free books showed up, but the book he had just purchased and the
one I have did not show up at all. Other apps in the list had a populated
tree view and thus you got a save button and could put the items where you
wanted. However, the save button did not show up under the Kindle tree view
if the books you had on the device were purchased.

 

Just another little Apple oddity.

 

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RE: How do you deal with the table of contents on a Kindle book

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Yes, the two finger flick up starts reading again from the top of the page.

Neal


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Did you try a two finger flick up?

On 5/4/13, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> Hi, this doesn't seem to work on the free book I am reading. The 
> collected short stories of Edgar Alan Poe. Perhaps this is just more 
> like a text file with no formatting. I'll try it on some other purchased
books.
>
> Neal
>
>
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> Behalf Of Craig Werner
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How do you deal with the table of contents on a Kindle 
> book
>
> Neal, once you find the line containing the chapter number or name you 
> want to red, double-tapping should start reading from the start of that
chapter.
>
> Craig
>
> On 5/3/13, Neal Ewers  wrote:
>> Hi, I can go to the table of contents of a book, and I can read by 
>> line and get to the chapter I want. But, I can't figure out how to 
>> get the app to read from that point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Neal
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RE: kindle and battery life

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I also don't know if it has to use more battery when streaming from the
cloud. Try selecting your device and reading the book there and see if that
makes a difference.

Neal


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I would try turning down the brightness under settings in the Kindle app.

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I've notice when reading with the IPhone kindle it seems to drain the 
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RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the iPhone

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Alan, thanks for the tip about iBooks. That strengthens my theory that the
inability to do this with the Kindle app is exactly what either Amazon,
Apple, or both wanted to do. How silly. You purchase a book and it is
totally tied to some cloud some place and cannot be put on your computer.
I'm not sure the issue here, in that the books are assigned a code given
your sine in credentials thus you can't share them. And that's not why I
want to have access to them anyway. I may contact Amazon and ask why this is
done.

 

Yes, the Kindle device itself will allow certain books to be read aloud, but
I don't believe you can do this with all books. I don't believe the iPhone
App has that limitation, but I am not positive about that. I am reading
Harry Potter, and I'm guessing that would not be a book that one can read
with speech on the actual Kindle. I should check that out.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

Neal, the iBooks app for iPhone lets you do that.  I have the app and it's
totally accessible.  It creates a folder within iTunes, iTunes Media, books.
Any books you buy or download from the apple store go into that folder.  You
can do what you will with your books.  And, if you download other books from
other sorceress like txt format etc, you can drop those too into that
folder.  When you then sync your phone with iTunes, those books you dropped
into the books folder get synced to your iPhone.  Note: iBooks does not read
.EPUB (Kindle) book format books.  However, the Kindle book reader does read
most all popular formats.  I've downloaded the free Kindle app and it
doesn't seem to let you keep your books on your computer unless I'm missing
something.  It looks to me like Amazon was just giving in to the demand for
accessibility of Kindle books by iPhone users.  The actual Kindle hardware
is accessible.  It has been so for some time.  I bought my daughter who
loves to read a Kindle several years ago for Christmas.  One day she called
me up on the phone and said, hey dad, listen to this and I heard the book
being read by a screen reader.  They have improved quite a bit on that and
all kindles today have a text to speech reading option.

 

The Kindle is a good book reading device and very limited as a computer.  

 

HTH

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:48 AM

Subject: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

Hi, If I download a book directly to my iPhone, is there any way I can keep
it permanently. If I delete if from the phone, it will likely delete it from
iTunes assuming I have synced it. Am I better off downloading books directly
to my computer where I can place the ones I have read in a particular
folder? Or, are there other ways to make sure I have a permanent copy of the
book? Example, is there a place in iTunes where the book is stored such that
I could make a copy of it?

 

Thanks much.

 

Neal

 

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RE: Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when looking at the device connected

[Neal Ewers]

Another thought someone had was that they would block books from showing up
if they were books that the Kindle reader was not allowed to read with
synthesized speech. They thus supposed that the books that were allowed to
be read by speech on the Kindle may not be locked and would show up in the
iTunes library. As I only have a few books and some of them are free, I can
not say. But, I am beginning to believe as you suggest, that it is an Amazon
restriction of some kind.

Neal


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Subject: Re: Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when looking at
the device connected

Hi,

I don't see why Apple would care if you could take the books off the device
or not.  It doesn't effect there bottom line either way.  I suspect this is
an Amazon restriction.  Like you said, its there app after all.  What could
be stopping them from allowing access to the actual files via iTunes?

Ricardo Walker
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On May 4, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Neal Ewers  wrote:

> Well, I'm not sure I can confirm the Amazon oddity. I can see all the
books on my Wife's Kindle reader just by plugging it in to my computer and
there they all are. I can copy them all to some place else as well. So I am
beginning to believe that Apple just doesn't want to have you able to do
this. Yet, the app is made by amazon. So who knows. My suspicion is that
this might be one of the things Amazon had to do in order to please Apple,
but that's just a hunch.
> The bottom line is that the iPhone app behaves very differently in this
regard than does the kindle itself.
>  
> Neal
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Watson
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 8:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when looking
at the device connected
>  
> Actually if you think about it, Amazon did this intentionally. The only
area that you can get to is the Docs area through iTunes. One more DRM
attempt. So it's not actually a Apple oddity it's an Amazon oddity.
>  
> Just saying'
>  
> Keith
>  
> On May 3, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, Raul and I had a go at seeing if we could find Kindle books in iTunes
by looking at the device, checking apps, and going to sharing to see what
could be saved to the computer. I don't know how this works on the Mac, but
what we discovered was that when we selected Kindle, the tree view was
blank. Actually, free books showed up, but the book he had just purchased
and the one I have did not show up at all. Other apps in the list had a
populated tree view and thus you got a save button and could put the items
where you wanted. However, the save button did not show up under the Kindle
tree view if the books you had on the device were purchased.
>  
> Just another little Apple oddity.
>  
> Neal
>  
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RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the iPhone

[Neal Ewers]

Well, Yes, I have the PC Kindle reader and it is very nice and accessible.
But the book it accesses is not in any place I can find on my computer. I
simply purchased it and it is on the cloud and on my device. I don't know if
the book on my computer is really on the cloud or if it is on the computer.
If it's on the computer, it is hidden. I have done a total computer search
for all possible Kindle book file endings and it does not appear. So, making
a backup copy of it is impossible. But, back to the computer version of the
app. It is very nice and it syncs up with where you left off when reading on
the device.

 

Neal

 

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

You can save books on your pc, and read them,  if you install the accessible
kindle for pc app. Be sure to install the accessible for pc app, as opposed
to the regular one.  You will know it is the correct one if it it is some
200 meg, as compared to maybe 20 meg for the regular app.

 

Arnold Schmidt

- Original Message - 

From: Neal Ewers <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 2:51 PM

Subject: RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

Alan, thanks for the tip about iBooks. That strengthens my theory that the
inability to do this with the Kindle app is exactly what either Amazon,
Apple, or both wanted to do. How silly. You purchase a book and it is
totally tied to some cloud some place and cannot be put on your computer.
I'm not sure the issue here, in that the books are assigned a code given
your sine in credentials thus you can't share them. And that's not why I
want to have access to them anyway. I may contact Amazon and ask why this is
done.

 

Yes, the Kindle device itself will allow certain books to be read aloud, but
I don't believe you can do this with all books. I don't believe the iPhone
App has that limitation, but I am not positive about that. I am reading
Harry Potter, and I'm guessing that would not be a book that one can read
with speech on the actual Kindle. I should check that out.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

Neal, the iBooks app for iPhone lets you do that.  I have the app and it's
totally accessible.  It creates a folder within iTunes, iTunes Media, books.
Any books you buy or download from the apple store go into that folder.  You
can do what you will with your books.  And, if you download other books from
other sorceress like txt format etc, you can drop those too into that
folder.  When you then sync your phone with iTunes, those books you dropped
into the books folder get synced to your iPhone.  Note: iBooks does not read
.EPUB (Kindle) book format books.  However, the Kindle book reader does read
most all popular formats.  I've downloaded the free Kindle app and it
doesn't seem to let you keep your books on your computer unless I'm missing
something.  It looks to me like Amazon was just giving in to the demand for
accessibility of Kindle books by iPhone users.  The actual Kindle hardware
is accessible.  It has been so for some time.  I bought my daughter who
loves to read a Kindle several years ago for Christmas.  One day she called
me up on the phone and said, hey dad, listen to this and I heard the book
being read by a screen reader.  They have improved quite a bit on that and
all kindles today have a text to speech reading option.

 

The Kindle is a good book reading device and very limited as a computer.  

 

HTH

- Original Message - 

From: Neal Ewers <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:48 AM

Subject: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

Hi, If I download a book directly to my iPhone, is there any way I can keep
it permanently. If I delete if from the phone, it will likely delete it from
iTunes assuming I have synced it. Am I better off downloading books directly
to my computer where I can place the ones I have read in a particular
folder? Or, are there other ways to make sure I have a permanent copy of the
book? Example, is there a place in iTunes where the book is stored such that
I could make a copy of it?

 

Thanks much.

 

Neal

 

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RE: Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when looking at the device connected

[Neal Ewers]

Yes, as I said earlier, my Wife has an actual Kindle and all her books
appear on my computer when I connect it. It's just the new app that is some
how different.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when looking at
the device connected

I have access to all of my Kindle books on my Kindle keyboard by connecting
it to my computer.

-Original Message-
From: Ricardo Walker
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 2:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when looking at
the device connected

Hi,

I doubt that would be the case too.  I mean, even if you did get a book on
your computer that didn't allow text to speech, what would you read it with?

Unless you had the accessible kindle reader for Windows, which would detect
the book disallowed text to speech so wouldn't work anyway, and, if your a
Mac user, the Kindle app is completely inaccessible with Voiceover to start
with.  So, what would be the point? haha.  I think if anything, Amazon just
don't want people getting there hands on the file and attempting to strip
away the DRm, and doing what they please with it.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On May 4, 2013, at 5:19 PM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

> Another thought someone had was that they would block books from 
> showing up if they were books that the Kindle reader was not allowed 
> to read with synthesized speech. They thus supposed that the books 
> that were allowed to be read by speech on the Kindle may not be locked 
> and would show up in the iTunes library. As I only have a few books 
> and some of them are free, I can not say. But, I am beginning to 
> believe as you suggest, that it is an Amazon restriction of some kind.
>
> Neal
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 4:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when 
> looking at the device connected
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't see why Apple would care if you could take the books off the 
> device or not.  It doesn't effect there bottom line either way.  I 
> suspect this is an Amazon restriction.  Like you said, its there app 
> after all.  What could be stopping them from allowing access to the 
> actual files via iTunes?
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On May 4, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm not sure I can confirm the Amazon oddity. I can see all the
> books on my Wife's Kindle reader just by plugging it in to my computer 
> and there they all are. I can copy them all to some place else as 
> well. So I am beginning to believe that Apple just doesn't want to 
> have you able to do this. Yet, the app is made by amazon. So who 
> knows. My suspicion is that this might be one of the things Amazon had 
> to do in order to please Apple, but that's just a hunch.
>> The bottom line is that the iPhone app behaves very differently in 
>> this
> regard than does the kindle itself.
>>
>> Neal
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf
> Of Keith Watson
>> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 8:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Purchased Kindle books do not appear in iTunes when 
>> looking
> at the device connected
>>
>> Actually if you think about it, Amazon did this intentionally. The 
>> only
> area that you can get to is the Docs area through iTunes. One more DRM 
> attempt. So it's not actually a Apple oddity it's an Amazon oddity.
>>
>> Just saying'
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On May 3, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, Raul and I had a go at seeing if we could find Kindle books in 
>> iTunes
> by looking at the device, checking apps, and going to sharing to see 
> what could be saved to the computer. I don't know how this works on 
> the Mac, but what we discovered was that when we selected Kindle, the 
> tree view was blank. Actually, free books showed up, but the book he 
> had just purchased and the one I have did not show up at all. Other 
> apps in the list had a populated tree view and thus you got a save 
> button and could put the items where you wanted. However, the save 
> button did not show up unde

RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the iPhone

[Neal Ewers]

Let me see if I can say this so people will finally understand. I purchased
a Kindle book. It was sent to my phone. I synced my phone with my computer
and can now read the book on my computer. I didn't have to do any thing more
than that to have the pc version of the kindle reader find it. The book is
obviously on my computer, but it must be in some hidden form. If you would
like to tell me where it is, I would be happy to go look. But it is in some
format that is different from the books on the true kindle.

My wish is to make a backup copy of said books. I don't particularly like to
be dependent entirely on the cloud. So, I would like to keep the books in a
known place on my computer. It's hard to do that if one can't find them.

Neal
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 9:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

There is a way of downloading the books to your computer. if you use Kindle
for PC with Accessibility, the books will be on your computer.

-Original Message-----
From: Neal Ewers
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 11:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone



Alan, thanks for the tip about iBooks. That strengthens my theory that the
inability to do this with the Kindle app is exactly what either Amazon,
Apple, or both wanted to do. How silly. You purchase a book and it is
totally tied to some cloud some place and cannot be put on your computer.
I'm not sure the issue here, in that the books are assigned a code given
your sine in credentials thus you can't share them. And that's not why I
want to have access to them anyway. I may contact Amazon and ask why this is
done.



Yes, the Kindle device itself will allow certain books to be read aloud, but
I don't believe you can do this with all books. I don't believe the iPhone
App has that limitation, but I am not positive about that. I am reading
Harry Potter, and I'm guessing that would not be a book that one can read
with speech on the actual Kindle. I should check that out.



Neal







From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone







Neal, the iBooks app for iPhone lets you do that.  I have the app and it's
totally accessible.  It creates a folder within iTunes, iTunes Media, books.

Any books you buy or download from the apple store go into that folder.  You
can do what you will with your books.  And, if you download other books from
other sorceress like txt format etc, you can drop those too into that
folder.  When you then sync your phone with iTunes, those books you dropped
into the books folder get synced to your iPhone.  Note: iBooks does not read
.EPUB (Kindle) book format books.  However, the Kindle book reader does read
most all popular formats.  I've downloaded the free Kindle app and it
doesn't seem to let you keep your books on your computer unless I'm missing
something.  It looks to me like Amazon was just giving in to the demand for
accessibility of Kindle books by iPhone users.  The actual Kindle hardware
is accessible.  It has been so for some time.  I bought my daughter who
loves to read a Kindle several years ago for Christmas.  One day she called
me up on the phone and said, hey dad, listen to this and I heard the book
being read by a screen reader.  They have improved quite a bit on that and
all kindles today have a text to speech reading option.







The Kindle is a good book reading device and very limited as a computer.







HTH



- Original Message - 



From: Neal Ewers



To: viphone@googlegroups.com



Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:48 AM



Subject: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone







Hi, If I download a book directly to my iPhone, is there any way I can keep 
it permanently. If I delete if from the phone, it will likely delete it from

iTunes assuming I have synced it. Am I better off downloading books directly

to my computer where I can place the ones I have read in a particular 
folder? Or, are there other ways to make sure I have a permanent copy of the

book? Example, is there a place in iTunes where the book is stored such that

I could make a copy of it?



Thanks much.



Neal



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RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the iPhone

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, Thanks for this, I have seen this folder and what is there are the free
books I have downloaded. However, there are other strange file names that
may well be the purchased books. I am about to purchase another book. Before
I do so, I will see what size this folder is. If it grows when I purchase
the next book, then I have my answer. It may be that one cannot tell which
book is which because of the strange file names, but that is not important.
The point is, I can copy them to  another folder in case they are some how
lost in the cloud.

 

Thanks for the reminder about the folder. This may well be the answer.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 5:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

It's a good bet that the books and music will always be there. After all,
Amazon doesn't keep a copy for each person. All they need to do is keep the
master copy and manage an extensive database of who is permitted what
access. Apple does the same with the App Store and iTunes. Google does the
same with Google Play store. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 05/05/2013, at 21:34, "Arnold Schmidt"  wrote:

On my pc, it stores what I assume are my books in documents, in a folder
called my kindle content.  Keep in mind that these files are epub files with
Amazon's digital rights management applied.  So, I guess even the titles are
encrypted.  But this folder is about 36 meg on my computer, and I think I
had 6 or 8 books, I don't remember the exact number right now.  I assume
these are my books. 

 

As I wrote in an earlier message, all these books were in the cloud when I
installed the iPhone app, some of them I had bought a couple years ago.  I
don't know how long they stay there. Being that I don't know of a way to
transfer what I assume are my backed up books from the pc to the phone, I
guess I would have to use the pc app to read them if they no longer were in
the cloud the next time I want to read them. Perhaps, write or call Amazon
and find out how long they will stay in the cloud, and let us know what they
say.

 

Arnold Schmidt  

----- Original Message - 

From: Neal Ewers <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 10:59 PM

Subject: RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

Well, Yes, I have the PC Kindle reader and it is very nice and accessible.
But the book it accesses is not in any place I can find on my computer. I
simply purchased it and it is on the cloud and on my device. I don't know if
the book on my computer is really on the cloud or if it is on the computer.
If it's on the computer, it is hidden. I have done a total computer search
for all possible Kindle book file endings and it does not appear. So, making
a backup copy of it is impossible. But, back to the computer version of the
app. It is very nice and it syncs up with where you left off when reading on
the device.

 

Neal

 

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

You can save books on your pc, and read them,  if you install the accessible
kindle for pc app. Be sure to install the accessible for pc app, as opposed
to the regular one.  You will know it is the correct one if it it is some
200 meg, as compared to maybe 20 meg for the regular app.

 

Arnold Schmidt

- Original Message - 

From: Neal Ewers <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 2:51 PM

Subject: RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

Alan, thanks for the tip about iBooks. That strengthens my theory that the
inability to do this with the Kindle app is exactly what either Amazon,
Apple, or both wanted to do. How silly. You purchase a book and it is
totally tied to some cloud some place and cannot be put on your computer.
I'm not sure the issue here, in that the books are assigned a code given
your sine in credentials thus you can't share them. And that's not why I
want to have access to them anyway. I may contact Amazon and ask why this is
done.

 

Yes, the Kindle device itself will allow certain books to be read aloud, but
I don't believe you can do this with all books. I don't believe the iPhone
App has that limitation, but I am not positive about that. I am reading
Harry Potter, and I'm guessing that would not be a book that one can read
with speech on the actual Kindle. I should check that out.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@g

Answer to, How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the iPhone

[Neal Ewers]

OK, I now know what is happening here and it is quite interesting.

 

The books do go in to the my documents kindle folder. They have strange
names. Now, Here is what is interesting. There are several files of the same
name for each book. That is also true on the kindle reader. The files just
have different endings. Here is why it took me so long to figure this out.
If I click on a free book in Windows Explorer in the kindle folder, it will
open the pc reader and the book can be read. However, if I try to open the
strange named files with a similar prefix, .azw, with Windows Explorer, in
this folder, they will not open. So, I was not sure what these files were.
But I then copied them to a different place on my computer, clicked on the
.azw file in Windows Explorer, and it opened. It could now be read with the
PC reader.

 

So the people who were saying they are already on my computer were right. I
knew that as well, but because I couldn't open any of them like I could the
free books, I didn't think they were the books I had purchased.

 

I find it interesting that they will not open with windows explorer in the
my documents folder, but will if you copy them to some other place.

 

So, there you have it. Days later and many messages under the bridge, we now
know.

 

Thanks to all for helping me figure this out.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

Hi, Thanks for this, I have seen this folder and what is there are the free
books I have downloaded. However, there are other strange file names that
may well be the purchased books. I am about to purchase another book. Before
I do so, I will see what size this folder is. If it grows when I purchase
the next book, then I have my answer. It may be that one cannot tell which
book is which because of the strange file names, but that is not important.
The point is, I can copy them to  another folder in case they are some how
lost in the cloud.

 

Thanks for the reminder about the folder. This may well be the answer.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 5:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

It's a good bet that the books and music will always be there. After all,
Amazon doesn't keep a copy for each person. All they need to do is keep the
master copy and manage an extensive database of who is permitted what
access. Apple does the same with the App Store and iTunes. Google does the
same with Google Play store. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 05/05/2013, at 21:34, "Arnold Schmidt"  wrote:

On my pc, it stores what I assume are my books in documents, in a folder
called my kindle content.  Keep in mind that these files are epub files with
Amazon's digital rights management applied.  So, I guess even the titles are
encrypted.  But this folder is about 36 meg on my computer, and I think I
had 6 or 8 books, I don't remember the exact number right now.  I assume
these are my books. 

 

As I wrote in an earlier message, all these books were in the cloud when I
installed the iPhone app, some of them I had bought a couple years ago.  I
don't know how long they stay there. Being that I don't know of a way to
transfer what I assume are my backed up books from the pc to the phone, I
guess I would have to use the pc app to read them if they no longer were in
the cloud the next time I want to read them. Perhaps, write or call Amazon
and find out how long they will stay in the cloud, and let us know what they
say.

 

Arnold Schmidt  

- Original Message - 

From: Neal Ewers <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 10:59 PM

Subject: RE: How do I keep a permanent copy of the books I download to the
iPhone

 

Well, Yes, I have the PC Kindle reader and it is very nice and accessible.
But the book it accesses is not in any place I can find on my computer. I
simply purchased it and it is on the cloud and on my device. I don't know if
the book on my computer is really on the cloud or if it is on the computer.
If it's on the computer, it is hidden. I have done a total computer search
for all possible Kindle book file endings and it does not appear. So, making
a backup copy of it is impossible. But, back to the computer version of the
app. It is very nice and it syncs up with where you left off when reading on
the device.

 

Neal

 

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:58 PM
To: vipho

RE: Free Kindle Reads

[Neal Ewers]

Many of the classics are in the public domain and thus free Kindle reads.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Free Kindle Reads

 

There are many free books.  Usually, they are books in the public domain.
Arthur conindoil Alexander Pope etc.  There are other books for 99 cents.
Even a brand new novel from a popular author is only 15 dollars or less..

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From: Rose Combs   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:49 PM

Subject: RE: Free Kindle Reads

 

I had a look, unfortunately I did not recognize more than three authors
which is probably why they are free.  


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Free Kindle Reads

EReader IQ was good too, but I guess Amazon made them kill the ability to
list all free books or to create an rss feed of those listings.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jane
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Free Kindle Reads

Here's BookBub's page of free kindle books. Since we can now use the Kindle
app on our iOS devices, I thought this would be OK to post.

http://www.bookbub.com/deals/category/free-kindle-books/

Jane

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A good way to find relevant information on iProducts etc.

[Neal Ewers]

Hi all. One thing I often do before even asking a question on this list is
to check Google first. As it happens, I forgot to do this with respect to
finding Kindle books on my computer. I went the long way around to finally
discover this information and likely wrote a number of messages to the list
that would have been unnecessary had I remembered my usual strategy.

 

I just read the message about Kindle book formats that Lauren posted, and it
reminded me once again of the resource and of my forgetting to use it this
time. So, there is egg on my face, but I thought it would be a good reminder
for people to use Google as a resource. No, I'm not trying to dissuade
anyone from using the list, but I do know that Google is a very good source
for information as well.

 

Neal

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Call quality on the iPhone 5

[Neal Ewers]

Hi all. I am sorry if this subject has been beaten to death. I just signed
back up for this list because I am switching from Android back to apple.

I was just reading about poor call quality on the iPhone 5. In my opinion, I
have not heard good quality voice on a cell phone call no matter what phone
I have used, but I wonder if people find the iPhone 5 any better or worse
than the norm.

Thanks much.

Neal

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RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, APH has come out with an android GPS that does store maps on the phone.
However, this has it's disadvantages too in that they likely won't be update
as often as cloud maps. But of course, Androids can use Google maps, but the
iPhone. Afraid not.

Neal


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013
Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

Hi Sieghard,

Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts
of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't
always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth
experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for
people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will
not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do
hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future
update.

Grant

On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I 
> doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. 
> Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use 
> up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 
> Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 
> 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long 
> through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download 
> apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the 
> occasional podcast.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Fenton
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 
> Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
>
> Hello.
>
> The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I 
> would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I 
> will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me 
> otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only 
> available via data plan.
> The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for 
> using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, 
> no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I 
> live.
>
> So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had 
> no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. 
> Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J
>
> Bob Fenton
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:
>
>> It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless 
>> of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much.
>> This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum.
>> It's also human nature and not specific to the blind.
>>
>> There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and 
>> avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products 
>> should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications 
>> specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but 
>> I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use 
>> whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and 
>> ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the 
>> independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product 
>> developed with the blind in
> mind.
>> Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a 
>> contrary opinion.
>>
>> Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too 
>> interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not.
>> As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway.
>>
>> On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>>> One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, 
>>> Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when 
>>> the criticisms begin to flow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>>
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all 
>>> your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit 
>>> www.talknav.com 
>>>
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com 
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com 
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>>
>>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean >> > wrote:
>>>
 Years ago I bo

"Why did you leave the Android platform?"

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I changed the subject to match the question asked in the message below.

You asked,
" Why did you leave the android platform?"

Three main reasons.

The accessibility is not yet on par with the iProducts. Example, you have no
audible clue when you're moving files to where you are moving them. This
relates to number two below.

Because of all the flexibility app developers have, where things get put on
your phone when you install them is not always the same. They sometimes go
at the beginning of the page you were last on. They sometimes go to another
page entirely. Without the ability to move things back to where I want them
with audio feedback, you're either stuck with where they are placed, or you
can take your chance and move them to who knows where. One good thing is
that they are all in your apps folder, so you can find them. But as well as
being in the apps folder, there is a shortcut on one of your home pages.
This is what gets moved around in a rather random manner.

I didn't find some of the apps that were supposed to be totally accessible
to always be so. Perhaps it depends on the kind of phone you have, I'm not
sure, or perhaps the OS or Talk Back, which is the screen reader, is not
quite good enough yet to be consistent.

In short, flexibility can lead to inconsistencies and sometimes sub-par
performance of apps in my opinion. The criteria for getting apps to the
Google play store is not as strict as Apple's, so you may not always get
apps that perform at their best.

It will likely get better, but it remains to be seen whether or not it
becomes more consistent.

I also have the luxury of being in a research program that will allow me to
use and learn about many different Android devices. So, I decided to make
the iPhone my main phone and play with the others on the side.

I go off to the Verizon store today to trade in my Android phone for the
iPhone 5.

I hope that answers your question.

Neal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Call quality on the iPhone 5

Why did you leave the android platform.


On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:

> Actually, I think that call quality on the 5 is better than previous
models.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Neal Ewers
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Call quality on the iPhone 5
> 
> Hi all. I am sorry if this subject has been beaten to death. I just 
> signed back up for this list because I am switching from Android back to
apple.
> 
> I was just reading about poor call quality on the iPhone 5. In my 
> opinion, I have not heard good quality voice on a cell phone call no 
> matter what phone I have used, but I wonder if people find the iPhone 
> 5 any better or worse than the norm.
> 
> Thanks much.
> 
> Neal
> 
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RE: "Why did you leave the Android platform?"

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I'm not going to spend much more time on this because it's not an
Android list. I will answer this question on list however. Anyone else can
write to me off line if they have questions.

I was using a Galaxy S III with jelly bean 4.1. I have also used 4.2 on a
friend's phone, but I don't remember the kind of phone.

Neal



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: "Why did you leave the Android platform?"

Just curious, but what Android phone were you using and what version of
Android was it running?

On 28/02/13 08:52, Neal Ewers wrote:
> Hi, I changed the subject to match the question asked in the message
below.
> 
> You asked,
> " Why did you leave the android platform?"
> 
> Three main reasons.
> 
> The accessibility is not yet on par with the iProducts. Example, you 
> have no audible clue when you're moving files to where you are moving 
> them. This relates to number two below.
> 
> Because of all the flexibility app developers have, where things get 
> put on your phone when you install them is not always the same. They 
> sometimes go at the beginning of the page you were last on. They 
> sometimes go to another page entirely. Without the ability to move 
> things back to where I want them with audio feedback, you're either 
> stuck with where they are placed, or you can take your chance and move 
> them to who knows where. One good thing is that they are all in your 
> apps folder, so you can find them. But as well as being in the apps
folder, there is a shortcut on one of your home pages.
> This is what gets moved around in a rather random manner.
> 
> I didn't find some of the apps that were supposed to be totally 
> accessible to always be so. Perhaps it depends on the kind of phone 
> you have, I'm not sure, or perhaps the OS or Talk Back, which is the 
> screen reader, is not quite good enough yet to be consistent.
> 
> In short, flexibility can lead to inconsistencies and sometimes 
> sub-par performance of apps in my opinion. The criteria for getting 
> apps to the Google play store is not as strict as Apple's, so you may 
> not always get apps that perform at their best.
> 
> It will likely get better, but it remains to be seen whether or not it 
> becomes more consistent.
> 
> I also have the luxury of being in a research program that will allow 
> me to use and learn about many different Android devices. So, I 
> decided to make the iPhone my main phone and play with the others on the
side.
> 
> I go off to the Verizon store today to trade in my Android phone for 
> the iPhone 5.
> 
> I hope that answers your question.
> 
> Neal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Call quality on the iPhone 5
> 
> Why did you leave the android platform.
> 
> 
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
>> Actually, I think that call quality on the 5 is better than previous
> models.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Neal Ewers
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Call quality on the iPhone 5
>>
>> Hi all. I am sorry if this subject has been beaten to death. I just 
>> signed back up for this list because I am switching from Android back 
>> to
> apple.
>>
>> I was just reading about poor call quality on the iPhone 5. In my 
>> opinion, I have not heard good quality voice on a cell phone call no 
>> matter what phone I have used, but I wonder if people find the iPhone
>> 5 any better or worse than the norm.
>>
>> Thanks much.
>>
>> Neal
>>
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RE: Call quality on the iPhone 5

[Neal Ewers]

Thanks, I'll check on this with Verizon today when I am there, but you have
obviously researched this and I'm afraid you are likely right on.

Neal


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Call quality on the iPhone 5

Right.

To my knowledge, no carrier supporting the iPhone in the U.S. does either.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Peter Durieux 
wrote:

> Hi Neal,
> 
> If I remember well, in the keynote presentation of the Iphone5 there was
something about high quality voice support. But your carrier need to support
this type of technology. None of the telco operators in Europe support this
at the time, neither other operators.
> 
> Op 28-feb.-2013, om 00:25 heeft "Neal Ewers" 
het volgende geschreven:
> 
> hth
> 
>> Hi all. I am sorry if this subject has been beaten to death. I just 
>> signed back up for this list because I am switching from Android back to
apple.
>> 
>> I was just reading about poor call quality on the iPhone 5. In my 
>> opinion, I have not heard good quality voice on a cell phone call no 
>> matter what phone I have used, but I wonder if people find the iPhone 
>> 5 any better or worse than the norm.
>> 
>> Thanks much.
>> 
>> Neal
>> 
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RE: Call quality on the iPhone 5

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I'm working on a podcast that will compare the call quality of the
Galaxy, the iPhone 5, and a land line. I have to say I agree. I can always
tell when someone is on a cell phone. But then, it's just the nature of the
beast. I'm not looking for broadcast quality. What I do get frustrated with
often is the poor duplexing on the devices. If someone is talking and you
start talking, they won't hear you until they quit talking. Perhaps this is
carrier specific? I'm guessing not, but I'm on this list to learn, so please
correct me if and when the need arises.

Neal


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Call quality on the iPhone 5


Whoa!

I totally disagree here.  I understand this is pretty subjective stuff, and
I understand if some say the iPhone 5 sounds better than the 4S and other
iPhones but, sound as good as a land line?  A cell phone?  I don't know
about that one.  If the carrier supported enhanced audio, maybe but, none in
the U.S. do.  Especially for the person who is on the receiving end.  I've
yet to receive a call on a land line and not been able to tell immediately
the other caller was using a cell phone.
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On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:

> Hi Neal & Everyone;
> 
> I am using an iPhone 5 on VZWireless and, I find that the call quality is
just about equal to a landline phone.
> Any and, all background noise is gone
> 
> This was not the case on my previous iPhones.
> Anthony
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!
> 
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:25 PM, "Neal Ewers" 
wrote:
> 
>> Hi all. I am sorry if this subject has been beaten to death. I just 
>> signed back up for this list because I am switching from Android back to
apple.
>> 
>> I was just reading about poor call quality on the iPhone 5. In my 
>> opinion, I have not heard good quality voice on a cell phone call no 
>> matter what phone I have used, but I wonder if people find the iPhone 
>> 5 any better or worse than the norm.
>> 
>> Thanks much.
>> 
>> Neal
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RE: Call quality on the iPhone 5

[Neal Ewers]

Ah, that would be nice. I'll check it out.

Neal


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Of Anthony Vece
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Call quality on the iPhone 5

Hi Neal;

I understood that the duplexing issue was supposed to clear up with Verizon
4g.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:55 AM, "Neal Ewers" 
wrote:

> Hi, I'm working on a podcast that will compare the call quality of the 
> Galaxy, the iPhone 5, and a land line. I have to say I agree. I can 
> always tell when someone is on a cell phone. But then, it's just the 
> nature of the beast. I'm not looking for broadcast quality. What I do 
> get frustrated with often is the poor duplexing on the devices. If 
> someone is talking and you start talking, they won't hear you until 
> they quit talking. Perhaps this is carrier specific? I'm guessing not, 
> but I'm on this list to learn, so please correct me if and when the need
arises.
> 
> Neal
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Call quality on the iPhone 5
> 
> 
> Whoa!
> 
> I totally disagree here.  I understand this is pretty subjective 
> stuff, and I understand if some say the iPhone 5 sounds better than 
> the 4S and other iPhones but, sound as good as a land line?  A cell 
> phone?  I don't know about that one.  If the carrier supported 
> enhanced audio, maybe but, none in the U.S. do.  Especially for the 
> person who is on the receiving end.  I've yet to receive a call on a 
> land line and not been able to tell immediately the other caller was using
a cell phone.
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Neal & Everyone;
>> 
>> I am using an iPhone 5 on VZWireless and, I find that the call 
>> quality is
> just about equal to a landline phone.
>> Any and, all background noise is gone
>> 
>> This was not the case on my previous iPhones.
>> Anthony
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!
>> 
>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:25 PM, "Neal Ewers" 
> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all. I am sorry if this subject has been beaten to death. I just 
>>> signed back up for this list because I am switching from Android 
>>> back to
> apple.
>>> 
>>> I was just reading about poor call quality on the iPhone 5. In my 
>>> opinion, I have not heard good quality voice on a cell phone call no 
>>> matter what phone I have used, but I wonder if people find the 
>>> iPhone
>>> 5 any better or worse than the norm.
>>> 
>>> Thanks much.
>>> 
>>> Neal
>>> 
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Problem with updating OS, maybe?

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I just got my phone and I got a message that an OS update was available
for the phone. I clicked install, it said it was verifying, and now the
phone is silent. Is this what is supposed to happen?

 

Neal

 

 

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