RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Carolyn Arnold]

I believe someone told me it went out of business in Houston too. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hello Arlene,

Wow!  It is difficult to believe that Yellow Cab went out of business in one of 
the most densely populated cities in your state.

Yes, the Curb app aggregates multiple local companies.

Mark 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab 
company for  each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in oklahoma 
city  yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the company is no 
longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, have a yellow 
cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started their own company, so 
that was good. - Original Message -
From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hello Joshua,

Wow!  That guitar sounds fabulous.

As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an iOS 
app called Curb, the Taxi app.

Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local taxi 
companies such as Yellow Cab.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. 
However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. 
I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have 
improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very 
fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so 
many books are available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just 
fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's 
>> > house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Russ Kiehne]

Will you be getting both voice dream reader and voice dream scanner?
Will you be getting the Audible app?

-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Bard will be one of the first apps I get on my new iPhone.  I will
also be getting the google home app so I can get my google home set up
again.  I really miss it.  My sister said that this coming Wednesday
we should be able to go and get my new iPhone.  That is a very good
thing since my flip phone isn't wanting to turn on any more and keeps
dropping calls.

On 5/26/19, Mich Verrier  wrote:
Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town 
eather.
I use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes 
I

still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and
stuff. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I
won't be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to
make phone calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing
AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.
However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my 
life.

 I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I
have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have
such a very fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much
braille since so many books are available in audio format.  However, I can
read braille just fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no 
trouble

reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:

There are all types of people out there.
People who are ignorant.
I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to
know about it.
They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I
thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
God bless Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
wrote:

Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an
important skill dead?

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal
Independence?

Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are
using braille for today.
I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
> wrote:
>
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first
> iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and
> excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I
> remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the
> iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's
> house.
> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10
> came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel
> anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty
> implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So,
> I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille
> support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack
> isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you
> have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify
> this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its
> somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with
> accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I
> suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can
> be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not
> enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service
> disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're
> assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small
> parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely
> together.
>
> iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access.
> Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols
> in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself,
> but my goodness for the 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Arlene]

Mark, thanks again, we'll give it a try.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?



Hello Arlene,

Wow!  It is difficult to believe that Yellow Cab went out of business in one 
of the most densely populated cities in your state.


Yes, the Curb app aggregates multiple local companies.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Arlene

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab 
company for  each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in 
oklahoma city  yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the 
company is no longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, 
have a yellow cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started 
their own company, so that was good. - Original Message -

From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?



Hello Joshua,

Wow!  That guitar sounds fabulous.

As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an 
iOS app called Curb, the Taxi app.


Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local 
taxi companies such as Yellow Cab.


Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I 
won't be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to 
make phone calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing 
AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.

However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.
I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I 
have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have 
such a very fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much 
braille since so many books are available in audio format.  However, I can 
read braille just fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble 
reading it.


On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:

There are all types of people out there.
People who are ignorant.
I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to
know about it.
They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I
thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
God bless Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
wrote:

Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an
important skill dead?

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal
Independence?

Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are
using braille for today.
I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
> wrote:
>
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first
> iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and
> excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I
> remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the
> iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's
> house.
> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10
> came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel
> anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty
> implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So,
> I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille
> support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack
> isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you
> have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify
> this, except to say that some users don't need 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

This Curb app shows up when I do a search in the App Store, but several reviews 
mention that it does not work in Canada.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 6:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hello Mich,

In lieu of, or in conjunction wit, Uber and Lyft, give Curb, the taxi app, a 
try.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mich Verrier
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. I 
use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I 
still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and 
stuff. From Mich. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.  However, my iPhone 
isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.  I'd say something 
that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much 
in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  
As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are 
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If I picked 
up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can 
>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not 
>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service 
>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're 
>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
>> > parts, and its an 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Arlene,

Wow!  It is difficult to believe that Yellow Cab went out of business in one of 
the most densely populated cities in your state.

Yes, the Curb app aggregates multiple local companies.

Mark 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab 
company for  each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in oklahoma 
city  yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the company is no 
longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, have a yellow 
cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started their own company, so 
that was good. - Original Message -
From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hello Joshua,

Wow!  That guitar sounds fabulous.

As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an iOS 
app called Curb, the Taxi app.

Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local taxi 
companies such as Yellow Cab.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. 
However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. 
I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have 
improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very 
fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so 
many books are available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just 
fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's 
>> > house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Arlene]

Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab 
company for  each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in 
oklahoma city  yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the 
company is no longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, 
have a yellow cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started 
their own company, so that was good. - Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?



Hello Joshua,

Wow!  That guitar sounds fabulous.

As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an 
iOS app called Curb, the Taxi app.


Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local 
taxi companies such as Yellow Cab.


Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I 
won't be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to 
make phone calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing 
AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. 
However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. 
I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I 
have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have 
such a very fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much 
braille since so many books are available in audio format.  However, I can 
read braille just fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble 
reading it.


On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:

There are all types of people out there.
People who are ignorant.
I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to
know about it.
They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I
thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
God bless Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
wrote:

Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an
important skill dead?

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?


Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are
using braille for today.
I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
> wrote:
>
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first
> iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and
> excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I
> remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the
> iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's 
> house.

> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10
> came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel
> anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty
> implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So,
> I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille
> support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack
> isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you
> have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify
> this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its
> somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with
> accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I
> suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can
> be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not
> enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service
> disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're
> assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small
> parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely 
> together.

>
> iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access.
> Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols
> in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself,
> but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Mich,

In lieu of, or in conjunction wit, Uber and Lyft, give Curb, the taxi app, a 
try.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mich Verrier
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. I 
use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I 
still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and 
stuff. From Mich. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.  However, my iPhone 
isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.  I'd say something 
that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much 
in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  
As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are 
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If I picked 
up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can 
>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not 
>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service 
>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're 
>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together.
>> >
>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. 
>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols 
>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, 
>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying 
>> > Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Marie and well said.

I admire your independence and ability to live alone.

Bravo.

Mark


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie N.
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is that 
you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the time to 
help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist you 
to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many of the 
drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. 
The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the 
drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to get 
out and about.They are also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and a 
good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought 
additional benefits.

-Original Message-
From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my thouhts as 
good as I could.

I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping us, I 
just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in the scene. 
Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started with that and 
that's OK.

I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the web" or, 
like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, as I remember, 
cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a car. 
We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now using the cab 
service apps.

Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your family, 
relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from other people 
aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to be completely 
honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're result of some blind 
people who found the way to use the modern technology for our needs.

Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right here 
but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some thought what was 
really a life changers and what was just the advancement on existing solutions.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
> Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of 
> the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I 
> can not do as easily on the computer.
> The first and for me the thing which has really given me an 
> independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now 
> go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally 
> on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more having 
> to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two in 
> advance with a para transit service.
> 2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a 
> computer.
> 3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with 
> a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with 
> the computer when we can't read what is on the screen.
> 4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not 
> sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house.
> 5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no 
> assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about 
> what bills I have when I go out.
> There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the 
> computer but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to 
> have both it and my PC.
> Marie
>
> -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>
> Hi to all!
>
> I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the 
> subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned.
>
> Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a 
> tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones 
> and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.
>
> So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, 
> 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Joshua,

Wow!  That guitar sounds fabulous.  

As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an iOS 
app called Curb, the Taxi app.  

Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local taxi 
companies such as Yellow Cab.  

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.  However, my iPhone 
isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.  I'd say something 
that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much 
in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  
As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are 
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If I picked 
up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can 
>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not 
>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service 
>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're 
>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together.
>> >
>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. 
>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols 
>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, 
>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying 
>> > Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't 
>> > give a crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, 
>> > but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still 
>> > care about their blind users, and braille users in particular, by 
>> > fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if the 
>> > user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Karen,

Wow!  Your post was beautiful and truly inspires me to find yet even more uses 
for my various technologies.  

Thank you so much for sharing.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Karen Poulakos
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 5:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

While I used a pc for many years before getting my iPhone and iPad, the 
portability of the iPhone and iPad  has made a world of difference in the way I 
do things, and has widened the scope of what I am able to accomplish  without 
sighted help. 

My iPhone has played a huge role in my ability to learn to play the harp, which 
began as an older adult, in 2010.  I am able to record my lessons on my phone, 
and easily transfer them to my pc.  The Talking Tuner app allows me to keep my 
harp in tune.  Youtube and iTunes make it possible to hear variations on a song 
I might be learning.  A metronome app helps me to work on rhythm in difficult 
sections of music.  And, Facetime allows me to take a lesson from a teacher 2 
states away from where I live.

For several years my husband and I vended at conferences.  The Square app 
allowed me to take credit cards independently, and the money reader app helped 
me to keep my money organized.

When traveling by car, the Maps app allows me to get a better sense of where we 
are.  I can check the weather in our destination ahead of time, so I can decide 
what to pack.  I can ask Siri to suggest restaurants, etc. in the area as we 
travel, and get directions  on how to get there.  I can set a wake up alarm. 

These devices have become such a major part of my life, that the list could go 
on forever.  The thing I do the least with my phone is talk on it.  When at 
home, I still prefer our land line phone for that 

Karen P 

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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I assume it's the Voice Dream Reader app.


On 5/26/19 6:29 PM, Arlene wrote:

Marie, What is the vdr app? Thank you.

Arlene
- Original Message - From: "'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?



My journey started when I was in third grade when one of the staff 
members gave me an iPad. Now it’s old since it’s stuck on iOS 9.
After that, around 2014 I got my own personal iPad Mini 2 which had to 
be replaced due to a FaceTime defect in 2015. Then I think in 2017 my 
iPad got stuck in a boot loop, I thought it was dead. I got an iPod 
touch 6th gen and managed to revive my iPad through find my iPhone. 
That same year at Christmas I got my beloved iPhone X.

My favorite and helpful apps are: Bard Mobile, VDR, and Seeing AI

Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately 
with your contact information and I will happily add you.

maria.reye...@icloud.com


On May 26, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:

Hi!

Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not 
my native language so it is possible i miss some points but


As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not 
just for the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We 
don't have Lift in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their 
drivers don't have the obligation to help people with disabilitties 
unles they don't want to. The same goes for the old fashioned cab 
services. It is the good will of the driver will he or she help you 
to the door or whatever. I had great experiences with old cabs just 
as I had bad experiences with Uber. And the point is, it doesn't have 
anything to do with using iPhone, it's just matter of humanity.


And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice 
Over which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I 
managed to do the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and 
I can't call it lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like 
"in the begginning there was dark... And Apple says let there be 
Voice Over" which is, if not good than atleast not correct.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la:
You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my 
Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted 
person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so 
this is important to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to 
assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here 
where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars 
are not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are 
clean and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and 
friendly so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are 
also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the 
computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the 
IPhone has brought additional benefits.


-Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?


Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
thouhts as good as I could.

I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not 
helping
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they 
came in

the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
with that and that's OK.

I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and 
request a

car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
using the cab service apps.

Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. 
And to

be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
technology for our needs.

Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
advancement on existing solutions.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user 
of the Windows PC, there are things that I 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Arlene]

Marie, What is the vdr app? Thank you.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?



My journey started when I was in third grade when one of the staff members 
gave me an iPad. Now it’s old since it’s stuck on iOS 9.
After that, around 2014 I got my own personal iPad Mini 2 which had to be 
replaced due to a FaceTime defect in 2015. Then I think in 2017 my iPad got 
stuck in a boot loop, I thought it was dead. I got an iPod touch 6th gen and 
managed to revive my iPad through find my iPhone. That same year at 
Christmas I got my beloved iPhone X.

My favorite and helpful apps are: Bard Mobile, VDR, and Seeing AI

Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with 
your contact information and I will happily add you.

maria.reye...@icloud.com


On May 26, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:

Hi!

Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my 
native language so it is possible i miss some points but


As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just 
for the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't 
have Lift in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers don't 
have the obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they don't 
want to. The same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is the good 
will of the driver will he or she help you to the door or whatever. I had 
great experiences with old cabs just as I had bad experiences with Uber. 
And the point is, it doesn't have anything to do with using iPhone, it's 
just matter of humanity.


And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over 
which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to 
do the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call it 
lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning 
there was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if not 
good than atleast not correct.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la:
You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes 
is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has 
the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important 
to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to 
assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I 
live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean 
and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and 
comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am 
much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer 
and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has 
brought additional benefits.


-Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
thouhts as good as I could.

I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in
the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
with that and that's OK.

I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a
car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
using the cab service apps.

Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to
be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
technology for our needs.

Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
advancement on existing solutions.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of 
the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I 
can not do as easily on the computer.
The first and for me 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Bard will be one of the first apps I get on my new iPhone.  I will
also be getting the google home app so I can get my google home set up
again.  I really miss it.  My sister said that this coming Wednesday
we should be able to go and get my new iPhone.  That is a very good
thing since my flip phone isn't wanting to turn on any more and keeps
dropping calls.

On 5/26/19, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather.
> I use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I
> still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and
> stuff. From Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their
> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>
> Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I
> won't be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to
> make phone calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing
> AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.
> However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.
>  I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I
> have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have
> such a very fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much
> braille since so many books are available in audio format.  However, I can
> read braille just fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble
> reading it.
>
> On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>> There are all types of people out there.
>> People who are ignorant.
>> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to
>> know about it.
>> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
>> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I
>> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
>> God bless Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an
>>> important skill dead?
>>>
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
>>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal
>>> Independence?
>>>
>>> Hi Devon;
>>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are
>>> using braille for today.
>>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>>> Keep it up.
>>> God bless
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>>
>>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first
>>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and
>>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I
>>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the
>>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's
>>> > house.
>>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10
>>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel
>>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty
>>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So,
>>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>>> >
>>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille
>>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack
>>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you
>>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify
>>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its
>>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with
>>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I
>>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can
>>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not
>>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service
>>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're
>>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small
>>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely
>>> > together.
>>> >
>>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access.
>>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols
>>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself,
>>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying
>>> > Apple doesn't 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Mich Verrier]

Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. I 
use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I 
still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and 
stuff. From Mich. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.  However, my iPhone 
isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.  I'd say something 
that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much 
in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  
As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are 
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If I picked 
up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can 
>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not 
>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service 
>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're 
>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together.
>> >
>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. 
>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols 
>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, 
>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying 
>> > Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't 
>> > give a crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, 
>> > but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still 
>> > care about their blind users, and braille users in particular, by 
>> > fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if the 
>> > user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and 
>> > articles, or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're 
>> 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Go, Josh, go with that guitar. 

Probably you eventually would like getting BARD on your phone. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.  However, my iPhone 
isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.  I'd say something 
that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much 
in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  
As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are 
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If I picked 
up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can 
>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not 
>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service 
>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're 
>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together.
>> >
>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. 
>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols 
>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, 
>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying 
>> > Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't 
>> > give a crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, 
>> > but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still 
>> > care about their blind users, and braille users in particular, by 
>> > fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if the 
>> > user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and 
>> > articles, or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're 
>> > not working anymore, should be skipped in showing braille, so that the 
>> > user 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

My journey started when I was in third grade when one of the staff members gave 
me an iPad. Now it’s old since it’s stuck on iOS 9. 
After that, around 2014 I got my own personal iPad Mini 2 which had to be 
replaced due to a FaceTime defect in 2015. Then I think in 2017 my iPad got 
stuck in a boot loop, I thought it was dead. I got an iPod touch 6th gen and 
managed to revive my iPad through find my iPhone. That same year at Christmas I 
got my beloved iPhone X. 
My favorite and helpful apps are: Bard Mobile, VDR, and Seeing AI

Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with your 
contact information and I will happily add you. 
maria.reye...@icloud.com

> On May 26, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my 
> native language so it is possible i miss some points but
> 
> As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just for 
> the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't have Lift 
> in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers don't have the 
> obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they don't want to. The 
> same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is the good will of the 
> driver will he or she help you to the door or whatever. I had great 
> experiences with old cabs just as I had bad experiences with Uber. And the 
> point is, it doesn't have anything to do with using iPhone, it's just matter 
> of humanity.
> 
> And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over 
> which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to do 
> the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call it 
> lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning there 
> was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if not good 
> than atleast not correct.
> 
> 
> S poštovanjem
> 
> Gordan Radić
> 
> 26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la:
>> You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is 
>> that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the 
>> time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me.
>> And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist 
>> you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many 
>> of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. 
>> The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the 
>> drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to 
>> get out and about.They are also cheaper.
>> I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and 
>> a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought 
>> additional benefits.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
>> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>> 
>> Hi to you and everyone!
>> 
>> I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
>> thouhts as good as I could.
>> 
>> I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping
>> us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in
>> the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
>> with that and that's OK.
>> 
>> I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
>> web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
>> as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
>> You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a
>> car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
>> using the cab service apps.
>> 
>> Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
>> family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
>> other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to
>> be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
>> result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
>> technology for our needs.
>> 
>> Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
>> here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
>> thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
>> advancement on existing solutions.
>> 
>> 
>> S poštovanjem
>> 
>> Gordan Radić
>> 
>> 26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
>>> Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of the 
>>> Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I can not 
>>> do as easily on the computer.
>>> The first and for me the thing which has really given me an independence 
>>> that I never 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Gordan Radić]

Hi!

Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my 
native language so it is possible i miss some points but


As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just 
for the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't 
have Lift in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers 
don't have the obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they 
don't want to. The same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is 
the good will of the driver will he or she help you to the door or 
whatever. I had great experiences with old cabs just as I had bad 
experiences with Uber. And the point is, it doesn't have anything to do 
with using iPhone, it's just matter of humanity.


And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over 
which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to 
do the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call 
it lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning 
there was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if 
not good than atleast not correct.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la:
You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my 
Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted 
person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this 
is important to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to 
assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here 
where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are 
not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean 
and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly 
so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the 
computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the 
IPhone has brought additional benefits.


-Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?


Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
thouhts as good as I could.

I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in
the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
with that and that's OK.

I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a
car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
using the cab service apps.

Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to
be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
technology for our needs.

Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
advancement on existing solutions.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user 
of the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone 
which I can not do as easily on the computer.
The first and for me the thing which has really given me an 
independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I 
now go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. 
totally on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more 
having to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two 
in advance with a para transit service.
2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near 
a computer.
3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get 
with a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes 
problems with the computer when we can't read what is on the screen.
4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are 
not sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house.
5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no 
assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about 
what bills I have when I go out.
There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the 
computer but I do love the portability of 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Gordan Radić]

Hi!

I'm very disappointed to hear that.

Not knowing Braille for the blind is the same as not knowing alphabet 
for sighted. I admit, I don't read Braille. I know it but I'm slow since 
I used black rint untill I was 30 or something but I'm able to use it, 
write in it and read it if necessary.


But, that's why i see very odd spelling from time to time, especially in 
the English Language lists and sites.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 17:06, Anthony Vece je napisao/la:

There are all types of people out there.
People who are ignorant.
I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
know about it.

They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.

God bless Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater > wrote:


Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
important skill dead?


Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Anthony Vece mailto:ajv...@gmail.com>>

*Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?

Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
using braille for today.

I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater > wrote:

>
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited 
about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting 
an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the iBooks store, and 
actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. 
Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation 
of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that 
Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.

>
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't 
even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you have to 
get it from the play store. No Android user can justify this, except 
to say that some users don't need braille and its somehow good that 
Google not "clutter" up their phone with accessibility, lol. Linux 
has a good enough braille system, I suppose, but like everything else 
regarding accessibility, it can be not even packaged for your 
distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or 
have its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set 
up with the one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is 
made of so many small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of 
them working nicely together.

>
> iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. 
Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in 
braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my 
goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple 
doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't give a 
crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 
13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still care about 
their blind users, and braille users in particular, by fixing bugs 
and adding features, like showing formatting if the user wants, like 
italics, bold, and such when reading books and articles, or allowing 
the user to set up cells which, if they're not working anymore, 
should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user doesn't get 
unreliable information. Yes, both of these have been suggested to 
Apple by me.

>
> So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is 
ruggid and reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & 
interesting, but can be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and 
hard to wield, and easy to break. Android is easily customized, but 
its looseness also allows in malware. Chromebook doesn't really do 
much, but that's great for education, and ironically, its braille 
support is what Android should have, when you plug in a braille 
display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not already on, and 
drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for some 
reason, it doesn't show formatting!

>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Marie N.]

You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is 
that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the 
time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist 
you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many 
of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. 
The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the 
drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to 
get out and about.They are also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and 
a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought 
additional benefits.


-Original Message- 
From: Gordan Radić

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
thouhts as good as I could.

I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in
the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
with that and that's OK.

I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a
car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
using the cab service apps.

Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to
be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
technology for our needs.

Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
advancement on existing solutions.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of the 
Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I can not 
do as easily on the computer.
The first and for me the thing which has really given me an independence 
that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now go out to lunch 
or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally on my own and can do 
these on the spur of the moment. No more having to ask friends or family 
or to make arrangements a day or two in advance with a para transit 
service.
2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a 
computer.
3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with a 
sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with the 
computer when we can't read what is on the screen.
4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not 
sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house.
5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no 
assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about what 
bills I have when I go out.
There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the computer 
but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to have both it 
and my PC.

Marie

-Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hi to all!

I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt
and I can't agree with most mentioned.

Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a
tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones
and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.

So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts,
messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web
browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS
with voice over.

There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There
were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't
accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault,
it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.

Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know
when 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone,
I won't be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I
use to make phone calls and some other things.  It is because of apps
like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to
the iPhone.  However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device
that changed my life.  I'd say something that truly changed my life is
my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much in my ability to play
the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  As for
reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If
I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know
> about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their
>> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using
>> braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I
>> > was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all
>> > that the iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes
>> > gift card, and buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one
>> > during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came
>> > out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just
>> > like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what
>> > Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to
>> > Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't
>> > even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get
>> > it from the play store. No Android user can justify this, except to say
>> > that some users don't need braille and its somehow good that Google not
>> > "clutter" up their phone with accessibility, lol. Linux has a good
>> > enough braille system, I suppose, but like everything else regarding
>> > accessibility, it can be not even packaged for your distribution of
>> > choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d
>> > service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one
>> > you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many
>> > small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely
>> > together.
>> >
>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its
>> > not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in
>> > braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my
>> > goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't
>> > have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and
>> > Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a
>> > great time for Apple to show that they still care about their blind
>> > users, and braille users in particular, by fixing bugs and adding
>> > features, like showing formatting if the user wants, like italics, bold,
>> > and such when reading books and articles, or allowing the user to set up
>> > cells which, if they're not working anymore, should be skipped in
>> > showing braille, so that the user doesn't get unreliable information.
>> > Yes, both of these have been suggested to Apple by me.
>> >
>> > So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid
>> > and reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting,
>> > but can be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield,
>> > and easy to break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also
>> > allows in malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great
>> > for education, and 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Anthony Vece]

There are all types of people out there.
People who are ignorant.
I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know about 
it.
They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
God bless Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
> important skill dead?
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>  
> Hi Devon; 
> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using 
> braille for today. 
> I never want to see braille as a loss start. 
> Keep it up. 
> God bless 
> Anthony 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! 
> 
> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater  wrote: 
> > 
> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was 
> > in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that 
> > the iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, 
> > and buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a 
> > weekend at my Aunt's house. 
> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, 
> > because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with 
> > Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls 
> > "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got 
> > the iPhone 7. 
> > 
> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. 
> > You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* 
> > in the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play 
> > store. No Android user can justify this, except to say that some users 
> > don't need braille and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their 
> > phone with accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not 
> > even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set 
> > up correctly, or have its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI 
> > group not set up with the one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, 
> > Linux is made of so many small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all 
> > of them working nicely together. 
> > 
> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not 
> > perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and 
> > sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the 
> > most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep 
> > improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still 
> > fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple 
> > to show that they still care about their blind users, and braille users in 
> > particular, by fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if 
> > the user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and 
> > articles, or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're not 
> > working anymore, should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user 
> > doesn't get unreliable information. Yes, both of these have been suggested 
> > to Apple by me. 
> > 
> > So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and 
> > reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but 
> > can be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy 
> > to break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in 
> > malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, 
> > and ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you 
> > plug in a braille display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not 
> > already on, and drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for 
> > some reason, it doesn't show formatting! 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> >> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Hi, 
> >> 
> >> Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more 
> >> independent and knowledgeable about what they do. I use my phone with the 
> >> screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to 
> >> people like everyone else. I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a 
> >> godsend because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same 
> >> time. I have broadened my music repertoire with 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Devin Prater]

Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an important 
skill dead?

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using 
braille for today.
I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was 
> in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that the 
> iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, and 
> buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at 
> my Aunt's house.
> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, 
> because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with 
> Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls 
> "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got 
> the iPhone 7.
>
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. You 
> know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* in 
> the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play store. 
> No Android user can justify this, except to say that some users don't need 
> braille and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
> accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I suppose, but 
> like everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not even packaged for 
> your distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or have 
> its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the 
> one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many 
> small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely 
> together.
>
> iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not 
> perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and 
> sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the 
> most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep 
> improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still 
> fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to 
> show that they still care about their blind users, and braille users in 
> particular, by fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if 
> the user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and articles, 
> or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're not working anymore, 
> should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user doesn't get unreliable 
> information. Yes, both of these have been suggested to Apple by me.
>
> So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and 
> reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but can 
> be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy to 
> break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in 
> malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, 
> and ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you 
> plug in a braille display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not 
> already on, and drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for 
> some reason, it doesn't show formatting!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more 
>> independent and knowledgeable about what they do. I use my phone with the 
>> screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to 
>> people like everyone else. I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a 
>> godsend because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same 
>> time. I have broadened my music repertoire with the Apple music service and 
>> like the idea that news items are at our disposal the same time other people 
>> receive them. Also trying to acquaint myself with apps that use GPS.
>>
>>
>> Mary Jo Partyka
>> choir...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>> On May 25, 2019, at 8:28 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Gordon,
>>>
>>> While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to 
>>> discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief 
>>> rebuttal to your comments.
>>>
>>> First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did 
>>> not have accessible options prior to the 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Anthony Vece]

Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using 
braille for today.
I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was 
> in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that the 
> iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, and 
> buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at 
> my Aunt's house.
> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, 
> because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with 
> Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls 
> "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got 
> the iPhone 7.
> 
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. You 
> know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* in 
> the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play store. 
> No Android user can justify this, except to say that some users don't need 
> braille and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
> accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I suppose, but 
> like everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not even packaged for 
> your distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or have 
> its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the 
> one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many 
> small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely 
> together.
> 
> iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not 
> perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and 
> sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the 
> most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep 
> improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still 
> fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to 
> show that they still care about their blind users, and braille users in 
> particular, by fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if 
> the user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and articles, 
> or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're not working anymore, 
> should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user doesn't get unreliable 
> information. Yes, both of these have been suggested to Apple by me.
> 
> So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and 
> reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but can 
> be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy to 
> break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in 
> malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, 
> and ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you 
> plug in a braille display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not 
> already on, and drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for 
> some reason, it doesn't show formatting!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more 
>> independent and knowledgeable about what they do.  I use my phone with the 
>> screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to 
>> people like everyone else.  I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a 
>> godsend because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same 
>> time.  I have broadened my music repertoire with the Apple music service and 
>> like the idea that news items are at our disposal the same time other people 
>> receive them.  Also trying to acquaint myself with apps that use GPS.
>> 
>> 
>> Mary Jo Partyka
>> choir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2019, at 8:28 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Gordon,
>>> 
>>> While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to 
>>> discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief 
>>> rebuttal to your comments.
>>> 
>>> First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did 
>>> not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, 
>>> etc.   
>>> 
>>> Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of 
>>> years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a 
>>> handheld lighter did not increase personal independence.  
>>> 
>>> Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was 
>>> tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology.  
>>> 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Karen Poulakos]

While I used a pc for many years before getting my iPhone and iPad, the
portability of the iPhone and iPad  has made a world of difference in the
way I do things, and has widened the scope of what I am able to accomplish
without sighted help. 

My iPhone has played a huge role in my ability to learn to play the harp,
which began as an older adult, in 2010.  I am able to record my lessons on
my phone, and easily transfer them to my pc.  The Talking Tuner app allows
me to keep my harp in tune.  Youtube and iTunes make it possible to hear
variations on a song I might be learning.  A metronome app helps me to work
on rhythm in difficult sections of music.  And, Facetime allows me to take a
lesson from a teacher 2 states away from where I live.

For several years my husband and I vended at conferences.  The Square app
allowed me to take credit cards independently, and the money reader app
helped me to keep my money organized.

When traveling by car, the Maps app allows me to get a better sense of where
we are.  I can check the weather in our destination ahead of time, so I can
decide what to pack.  I can ask Siri to suggest restaurants, etc. in the
area as we travel, and get directions  on how to get there.  I can set a
wake up alarm. 

These devices have become such a major part of my life, that the list could
go on forever.  The thing I do the least with my phone is talk on it.  When
at home, I still prefer our land line phone for that 

Karen P 

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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Gordan Radić]

Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my 
thouhts as good as I could.


I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping 
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in 
the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started 
with that and that's OK.


I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the 
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, 
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones. 
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a 
car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now 
using the cab service apps.


Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your 
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from 
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to 
be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're 
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern 
technology for our needs.


Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right 
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some 
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the 
advancement on existing solutions.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of 
the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I 
can not do as easily on the computer.
The first and for me the thing which has really given me an 
independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now 
go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally 
on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more having 
to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two in 
advance with a para transit service.
2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a 
computer.
3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with 
a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with 
the computer when we can't read what is on the screen.
4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not 
sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house.
5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no 
assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about 
what bills I have when I go out.
There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the 
computer but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to 
have both it and my PC.

Marie

-Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?


Hi to all!

I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt
and I can't agree with most mentioned.

Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a
tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones
and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.

So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts,
messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web
browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS
with voice over.

There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There
were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't
accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault,
it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.

Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know
when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes,
Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything
mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you
ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still
regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone.

So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they
really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to
the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops
or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we
were able to do things before iOS with Voice over.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:
I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That 
was when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 
years so that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 
things even with some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In 
no particular 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Marie N.]

Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of the 
Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I can not 
do as easily on the computer.
The first and for me the thing which has really given me an independence 
that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now go out to lunch or 
shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally on my own and can do 
these on the spur of the moment. No more having to ask friends or family or 
to make arrangements a day or two in advance with a para transit service.
2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a 
computer.
3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with a 
sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with the 
computer when we can't read what is on the screen.
4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not 
sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house.
5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no 
assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about what 
bills I have when I go out.
There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the computer but 
I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to have both it and 
my PC.

Marie

-Original Message- 
From: Gordan Radić

Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hi to all!

I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt
and I can't agree with most mentioned.

Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a
tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones
and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.

So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts,
messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web
browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS
with voice over.

There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There
were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't
accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault,
it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.

Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know
when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes,
Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything
mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you
ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still
regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone.

So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they
really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to
the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops
or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we
were able to do things before iOS with Voice over.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:
I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was 
when the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so 
that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with 
some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:


1.  the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted 
help:  BE MY EYES,  and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
2.  The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when 
I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to 
leave a brief message.

3.  Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
4.  Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or 
paratransit:  BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.

5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.

Honorable mentions:  1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites 
like Chewy at my leisure.
2.  Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right 
where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.

3.  Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
4.  Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the 
driver directly whether than a dispatcher,  and they are often cheaper.

God bless!

I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hello Everyone,

What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Devin Prater]

My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was in 
9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that the iPod 
could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying 
books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my 
Aunt's house.
Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, 
because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with 
Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls 
"accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the 
iPhone 7.

For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. You 
know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* in the 
accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play store. No 
Android user can justify this, except to say that some users don't need braille 
and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I suppose, but like 
everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not even packaged for your 
distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its 
system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one 
you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together.

iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not 
perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and 
sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the most 
part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but 
Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little 
with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still 
care about their blind users, and braille users in particular, by fixing bugs 
and adding features, like showing formatting if the user wants, like italics, 
bold, and such when reading books and articles, or allowing the user to set up 
cells which, if they're not working anymore, should be skipped in showing 
braille, so that the user doesn't get unreliable information. Yes, both of 
these have been suggested to Apple by me.

So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and 
reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but can be 
rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy to break. 
Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in malware. 
Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, and 
ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you plug in a 
braille display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not already on, and 
drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for some reason, it 
doesn't show formatting!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more 
> independent and knowledgeable about what they do.  I use my phone with the 
> screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to 
> people like everyone else.  I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a 
> godsend because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same 
> time.  I have broadened my music repertoire with the Apple music service and 
> like the idea that news items are at our disposal the same time other people 
> receive them.  Also trying to acquaint myself with apps that use GPS.
> 
> 
> Mary Jo Partyka
> choir...@gmail.com
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2019, at 8:28 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Gordon,
>> 
>> While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to 
>> discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief 
>> rebuttal to your comments.
>> 
>> First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did 
>> not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc. 
>>   
>> 
>> Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of 
>> years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a 
>> handheld lighter did not increase personal independence.  
>> 
>> Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was 
>> tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology.  
>> 
>> Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old 
>> legacy technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as 
>> my question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare 
>> Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise.  
>> 
>> Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I 
>> want everyone to 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Arlene]

Mark, and, everyone, I for one aren't discouraged by Gordon's message, in 
fact I hfound it refreshing to hear for a few different reasons, which is 
positive. Wayne and I are a bit late in getting touch screen phones, 
compared to many of you, beginning in december of 2017 when he gave me my 
first se for Christmas. We've been meaning to join this thread concerning 
how having an iphone has  affected us with all that it includes that 
depending on the app, is quite useful in a tremendous way. Such as  apps 
like the scanning apps. Through the scanning apps gives you a portable 
scanner that you can take anywhere you go or sitting else where in your 
house other than the room your computer is in. Being able to  reading 
printed matter anywhere, is both amazing and wonderful, very convenient and 
more. and can be very valuable when you're out some where to read something 
handed to you or a menue.  then there's  the entertaining type apps, with 
our cox tv services apps and the xm app.While I was very hessitant for a 
long time whether I would take to a touch screen phone, I had 2 experiences 
that showed me that I probably could learn it if I had one. Both experiences 
were with iphones. I'm going to say some more things about  the great things 
about the iphone, what's been useful and what I've learned in the last 17 or 
18 months since my first se phone, but I just wanted to point a few things 
out, which may not be welcomed, but it's something that is so true and 
really is possitive. We all vary in  how we use what we have. I know many 
people blind and sighted, these days do more email on the phone. Emailing is 
something we still do on our computers.  While we can write emails just fine 
on our se phones, we just rather go through our email on the computer. While 
this thread isn't about what we use our computers for besides our phones, 
this thread is about our phones and how they've affected our lives. for one 
just brief comment I can't forget my introduction to accessible phones that 
had the screen readers in them and how it was amazing of that time 13 years 
ago, of what I could do on one of these phones, compared to having a phone 
that didn't have speech in it to including going on the browser in the 
phone, to the phone talking everything. It was something to get use too at 
the time, it truly was something different and it seems funny now, but I 
wasn't sure if I could learn it, but I did, which the same thing happened 
with the iphone. So my memory lane comment is over about those other phones, 
in the last 14 to 17 months since I got my first se phone for christmas, 
I've learned so much, and things that seemed confusing aren't as confusing 
to me now. One buggaboo for me was the rotor, it just seemed so confusing to 
me, and couldn't get it  for nothing the first few times I tried to do the 
rotor. Then recently I tried it and it all fell into place, it's something I 
can do now. In fact at one time I didn't even want to hear about the rotor, 
but thank goodness I can do it now, but maybe some of you had some things 
you couldn't get the idea of doing at first or even later in your learning. 
It's so true, while this thread isn't about what we've learned in the time 
we've had our phones while we've had them, but we all have our speeds of 
sorts of when we learn things on our phones to begin to do different things 
on our phones. Some individuals are old experts in a short amount of time, 
and then there's some of us like Carolyn and I that learn 1 or 2 things at a 
time, which those 1 or 2 things learned at a time over so many months adds 
up to a number of things that one can do on their phones. Possibly another 
question would be what have you discovered on your phone, that either you 
like doing or that seems easier to do. One thing for me recently is, In some 
ways, with filling out some forms on my phone in signing up for some 
services and getting apps, I'm finding that I find filling out forms  is 
prety easy. I know not all of them are easy though, as in the time we were 
at sams setting up the store app. There was some information we had to put 
in that we couldn't do with voice over on. We did have someone to help us 
with that, but I don't know what I would do if that happened another time. 
We recently put the bard app on our phones, which we're really enjoying. At 
one time I didn't think I wanted to have books on the phone. I guess at the 
time I thought it would be hard to navigate it, but it's very easy. To us 
there's nothing like the scanning apps, it's so convenient when you need to 
scan products you have in the kitchen, by taking the phone to the kitchen. 
So little by little we're learning and experiencing more and more between 
hearing about the things that alll of you do with your phones and the apps 
you use, going through the list of apps on applevis,  also some of the apple 
related podcasts we heard even before we knew about apple viz, such as the 
podcasts 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Mary Jo Partyka]

Hi,

Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more 
independent and knowledgeable about what they do.  I use my phone with the 
screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to people 
like everyone else.  I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a godsend 
because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same time.  I have 
broadened my music repertoire with the Apple music service and like the idea 
that news items are at our disposal the same time other people receive them.  
Also trying to acquaint myself with apps that use GPS.


Mary Jo Partyka
choir...@gmail.com


> On May 25, 2019, at 8:28 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Gordon,
> 
> While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to 
> discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief 
> rebuttal to your comments.
> 
> First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did 
> not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc.  
>  
> 
> Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of 
> years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a handheld 
> lighter did not increase personal independence.  
> 
> Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was 
> tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology.  
> 
> Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old legacy 
> technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as my 
> question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare 
> Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise.  
> 
> Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I 
> want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in 
> anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments.  I am not posting this in order to 
> engage in a debate.
> 
> I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its 
> intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased 
> your personal independence.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gordan Radic
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
> 
> Hi to all!
> 
> I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and 
> I can't agree with most mentioned.
> 
> Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny 
> little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there 
> were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.
> 
> So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, 
> mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was 
> available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over.
> 
> There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were 
> also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with 
> screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers 
> thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.
> 
> Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when 
> exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA 
> are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous 
> mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on 
> the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for 
> tones of tasks I can do on my phone.
> 
> So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really 
> are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next 
> level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever 
> with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do 
> things before iOS with Voice over.
> 
> 
> S poštovanjem
> 
> Gordan Radić
> 
> 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:
>> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was 
>> when the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so 
>> that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with 
>> some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:
>> 
>> 1.  the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help: 
>>  BE MY EYES,  and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
>> 2.  The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm 
>> not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a 
>> brief message.
>> 3.  Ability to schedule appointments on a 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Carolyn Arnold]

I got my phone, while I was still 80. I had had a 4S, but never really learned 
to use it. Hadley videos hhave made it possible. 

So, as for independence. I guess we all have different priorities, and Net 
stuff is not as important to me as some thing. I have worked on learning to 
type on the touch screen. I had a tablet for a while, which had a keyboard, and 
I found it clumsy, and actually have gotten way better on the iPhone keyboard 
than I was on the tablet one. Entering contacts was how I got started. Not I 
type some texts and emails, some, but not all.  I think I soon will be able to 
use my iPhone with headset or Bluetooth to call the bank and my credit card's 
automated phone line. I already can call our Enrichment Center and get an 
extension. That is no biggie, but it is a degree of independence. Yes, I could 
have had that, did have it, with a flip phone, but, not enough battery life. I 
had several, and that is why I realized that other people used touch screens, I 
could and would too. 

My husband said to conquer one thing at a time. I had a goal to be able to do 
email in a year and was just a little early. I am not rushing, intend to be 
proficient with whatever I do. 

I really do like Settings though. I have learned so much in that app to 
customize my phone to the point that I am very pleased with it. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mich Verrier
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

I got my first eye phone a eye phone 4s in 2012 after a good friend of mine 
died and I had trubble using the flip phone that I had at the time. I found the 
lurning curb very easy to use with help from friends etc I was soon up and 
running. Since that time I have got a eye phone 6 and a eye phone 8 witch I am 
using now. I like my phone since it allows me to use things like what's app 
texting messaging etc how ever I do find typing on it to be a bit of a hassel 
and a lot slower then using a keybord on a pc. Apart from that though I will 
say that for most things I will mainly use my pc for checking e mail using team 
talk etc. I do like the phone for the portibillidey and like others have 
pointed out the fact that I don't have to carry around my laptop with me where 
ever I go. I have yet to master things like 4 squair for gps etc. well these 
are my thoughts. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: May 25, 2019 8:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hello Gordon,

While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to 
discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief 
rebuttal to your comments.

First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did not 
have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc.   

Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of 
years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a handheld 
lighter did not increase personal independence.  

Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was 
tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology.  

Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old legacy 
technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as my 
question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare Apple 
products to other technologies, modern or otherwise.  

Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I 
want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in 
anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments.  I am not posting this in order to 
engage in a debate.

I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its 
intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased 
your personal independence.

Mark

 





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordan Radic
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi to all!

I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I 
can't agree with most mentioned.

Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny 
little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there 
were two screen readers called Talks 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Mich Verrier]

I got my first eye phone a eye phone 4s in 2012 after a good friend of mine 
died and I had trubble using the flip phone that I had at the time. I found the 
lurning curb very easy to use with help from friends etc I was soon up and 
running. Since that time I have got a eye phone 6 and a eye phone 8 witch I am 
using now. I like my phone since it allows me to use things like what's app 
texting messaging etc how ever I do find typing on it to be a bit of a hassel 
and a lot slower then using a keybord on a pc. Apart from that though I will 
say that for most things I will mainly use my pc for checking e mail using team 
talk etc. I do like the phone for the portibillidey and like others have 
pointed out the fact that I don't have to carry around my laptop with me where 
ever I go. I have yet to master things like 4 squair for gps etc. well these 
are my thoughts. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: May 25, 2019 8:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hello Gordon,

While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to 
discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief 
rebuttal to your comments.

First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did not 
have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc.   

Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of 
years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a handheld 
lighter did not increase personal independence.  

Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was 
tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology.  

Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old legacy 
technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as my 
question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare Apple 
products to other technologies, modern or otherwise.  

Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I 
want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in 
anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments.  I am not posting this in order to 
engage in a debate.

I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its 
intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased 
your personal independence.

Mark

 





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordan Radic
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi to all!

I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I 
can't agree with most mentioned.

Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny 
little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there 
were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.

So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, 
mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was 
available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over.

There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were 
also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with 
screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers thing. 
We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.

Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when 
exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA 
are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous 
mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on the 
iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for tones 
of tasks I can do on my phone.

So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really are 
but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next level 
with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever with us 
and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do things 
before iOS with Voice over.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:
> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when 
> the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in 
> itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some 
> honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:
>
> 1.  the ability 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Gordon,

While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to 
discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief 
rebuttal to your comments.

First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did not 
have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc.   

Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of 
years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a handheld 
lighter did not increase personal independence.  

Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was 
tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology.  

Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old legacy 
technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as my 
question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare Apple 
products to other technologies, modern or otherwise.  

Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I 
want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in 
anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments.  I am not posting this in order to 
engage in a debate.

I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its 
intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased 
your personal independence.

Mark

 





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordan Radic
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi to all!

I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I 
can't agree with most mentioned.

Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny 
little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there 
were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.

So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, 
mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was 
available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over.

There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were 
also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with 
screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers thing. 
We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.

Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when 
exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA 
are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous 
mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on the 
iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for tones 
of tasks I can do on my phone.

So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really are 
but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next level 
with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever with us 
and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do things 
before iOS with Voice over.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:
> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when 
> the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in 
> itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some 
> honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:
>
> 1.  the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help:  
> BE MY EYES,  and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
> 2.  The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm 
> not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a 
> brief message.
> 3.  Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
> 4.  Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or 
> paratransit:  BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
> 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.
>
> Honorable mentions:  1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites 
> like Chewy at my leisure.
> 2.  Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right 
> where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.
> 3.  Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
> 4.  Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the 
> driver directly whether than a dispatcher,  and they are often cheaper.
> God bless!
>
> I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Gordan Radić]

Hi to all!

I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt 
and I can't agree with most mentioned.


Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a 
tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones 
and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.


So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, 
messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web 
browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS 
with voice over.


There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There 
were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't 
accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, 
it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.


Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know 
when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, 
Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything 
mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you 
ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still 
regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone.


So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they 
really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to 
the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops 
or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we 
were able to do things before iOS with Voice over.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:

I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when 
the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in 
itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some honorable 
mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:

1.  the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help:  
BE MY EYES,  and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
2.  The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm not 
sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a brief 
message.
3.  Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
4.  Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or paratransit:  
BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.

Honorable mentions:  1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites like 
Chewy at my leisure.
2.  Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right where 
I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.
3.  Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
4.  Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the 
driver directly whether than a dispatcher,  and they are often cheaper.
God bless!

I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hello Everyone,

What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or 
any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence.

As for me:.

1.
The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as 
Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.

2.
The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing 
Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.

3.
The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the 
fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera 
app, Seeing A.I., etc.

4.
The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such 
as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news 
reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.

5.
The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, 
Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.

Honorable Memtions:
1.
TV Guide Mobile.

2.
CA Lottery app.

3.
The Parcel Track package tracking app.

4.
Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.

5.
The My Chart medical App.

I look forward to all of your replies,

Mark


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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Chris Chaffin]

Wow, what a loaded question!
And I must first say that without my close friend voice over, still none of 
these other task would be possible!  So hats off to Apple for introducing us!

So here are 5 ways that voice over has helped me be more independent!

1, Aira and Be My Eyes, 2 great services that have helped me accomplish many 
task independently that would otherwise not be possible.
2, Way Around labeling System, now I can identify many items like clothing and 
many other things without assistance.
3, Sendero GPS and Nearby Explorer, helps me always know where I am and to 
navigate and get to where I want to go.
4, Voice Dream Scanner and Seeing A I, helps me use OCR to identify documents 
and other products.
5, Calendar and Reminders, I would definitely not be able to function without 
these great tools!  They not only help me not forget upcoming appointments, but 
also they help me remember even the small things, like its garbage day, time to 
take your vitamins and other meds, all the way down to don't forget to scoop 
that cat box!  Life sometimes can get very hectick, so even being reminded 
about the small things can be very helpful!

Honorable Mentions:
BARD Mobile for books, Overcast for podcast, Sports Alerts for Sports, and all 
of the great accessible games out there!  Accessible games use to be few in 
number, but now we are blessed to have more than we can play!
In closing, it is funny, I am holding a phone in my hand, but that is what I 
use it for the least!

Chris


> On May 24, 2019, at 1:48 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS
> and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal
> independence.
> 
> As for me:.
> 
> 1.
> The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as
> Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.  
> 
> 2.
> The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like
> Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.
> 
> 3.
> The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on
> the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS
> camera app, Seeing A.I., etc.
> 
> 4.
> The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps
> such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS
> news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.
> 
> 5.
> The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD
> Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.
> 
> Honorable Memtions:
> 1.
> TV Guide Mobile.
> 
> 2.
> CA Lottery app.
> 
> 3.
> The Parcel Track package tracking app.
> 
> 4.
> Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.
> 
> 5.
> The My Chart medical App.
> 
> I look forward to all of your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Cihan Yazıcı]

Hello there;

I am very sorry for the incoming mail.
I sent an e-mail due to an error in my screen reader.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lelia 
Struve
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 11:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

 

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> 
> Well, another shipt user. We've not found many blind folks using them but we 
> love the service a lot. We find both the IOS app and the pc interface through 
> Chrome very accessible.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paul 
> and Paula Jordan
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 12:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
> 
> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when 
> the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in 
> itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some 
> honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:
> 
> 1.  the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help:  
> BE MY EYES,  and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
> 2.  The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm 
> not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a 
> brief message.
> 3.  Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
> 4.  Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or 
> paratransit:  BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
> 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.
> 
> Honorable mentions:  1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites 
> like Chewy at my leisure.
> 2.  Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right 
> where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.
> 3.  Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
> 4.  Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the 
> driver directly whether than a dispatcher,  and they are often cheaper.
> God bless!
> 
> I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
> Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or 
> any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence.
> 
> As for me:.
> 
> 1.
> The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as 
> Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.  
> 
> 2.
> The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing 
> Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.
> 
> 3.
> The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the 
> fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera 
> app, Seeing A.I., etc.
> 
> 4.
> The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such 
> as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news 
> reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.
> 
> 5.
> The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, 
> Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.
> 
> Honorable Memtions:
> 1.
> TV Guide Mobile.
> 
> 2.
> CA Lottery app.
> 
> 3.
> The Parcel Track package tracking app.
> 
> 4.
> Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.
> 
> 5.
> The My Chart medical App.
> 
> I look forward to all of your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Cihan Yazıcı]

Acaba kampanya  süresi ne zaman sona erecek?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lelia 
Struve
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 11:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

 

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> 
> Well, another shipt user. We've not found many blind folks using them but we 
> love the service a lot. We find both the IOS app and the pc interface through 
> Chrome very accessible.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paul 
> and Paula Jordan
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 12:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
> 
> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when 
> the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in 
> itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some 
> honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:
> 
> 1.  the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help:  
> BE MY EYES,  and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
> 2.  The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm 
> not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a 
> brief message.
> 3.  Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
> 4.  Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or 
> paratransit:  BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
> 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.
> 
> Honorable mentions:  1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites 
> like Chewy at my leisure.
> 2.  Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right 
> where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.
> 3.  Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
> 4.  Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the 
> driver directly whether than a dispatcher,  and they are often cheaper.
> God bless!
> 
> I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
> Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or 
> any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence.
> 
> As for me:.
> 
> 1.
> The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as 
> Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.  
> 
> 2.
> The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing 
> Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.
> 
> 3.
> The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the 
> fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera 
> app, Seeing A.I., etc.
> 
> 4.
> The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such 
> as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news 
> reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.
> 
> 5.
> The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, 
> Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.
> 
> Honorable Memtions:
> 1.
> TV Guide Mobile.
> 
> 2.
> CA Lottery app.
> 
> 3.
> The Parcel Track package tracking app.
> 
> 4.
> Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.
> 
> 5.
> The My Chart medical App.
> 
> I look forward to all of your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Lelia Struve]

 

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> 
> Well, another shipt user. We've not found many blind folks using them but we 
> love the service a lot. We find both the IOS app and the pc interface through 
> Chrome very accessible.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paul 
> and Paula Jordan
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 12:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
> 
> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when 
> the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in 
> itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some 
> honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:
> 
> 1.  the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help:  
> BE MY EYES,  and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
> 2.  The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm 
> not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a 
> brief message.
> 3.  Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
> 4.  Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or 
> paratransit:  BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
> 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.
> 
> Honorable mentions:  1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites 
> like Chewy at my leisure.
> 2.  Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right 
> where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.
> 3.  Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
> 4.  Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the 
> driver directly whether than a dispatcher,  and they are often cheaper.
> God bless!
> 
> I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
> Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or 
> any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence.
> 
> As for me:.
> 
> 1.
> The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as 
> Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.  
> 
> 2.
> The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing 
> Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.
> 
> 3.
> The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the 
> fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera 
> app, Seeing A.I., etc.
> 
> 4.
> The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such 
> as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news 
> reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.
> 
> 5.
> The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, 
> Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.
> 
> Honorable Memtions:
> 1.
> TV Guide Mobile.
> 
> 2.
> CA Lottery app.
> 
> 3.
> The Parcel Track package tracking app.
> 
> 4.
> Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.
> 
> 5.
> The My Chart medical App.
> 
> I look forward to all of your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Larry Lumpkin]

Well, another shipt user. We've not found many blind folks using them but we 
love the service a lot. We find both the IOS app and the pc interface through 
Chrome very accessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paul and 
Paula Jordan
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when 
the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in 
itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some honorable 
mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:

1.  the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help:  
BE MY EYES,  and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
2.  The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm not 
sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a brief 
message.
3.  Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
4.  Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or paratransit:  
BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.

Honorable mentions:  1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites like 
Chewy at my leisure.
2.  Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right where 
I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.
3.  Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
4.  Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the 
driver directly whether than a dispatcher,  and they are often cheaper.
God bless!

I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hello Everyone,

What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or 
any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence.

As for me:.

1.
The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as 
Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.  

2.
The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing 
Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.

3.
The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the 
fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera 
app, Seeing A.I., etc.

4.
The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such 
as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news 
reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.

5.
The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, 
Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.

Honorable Memtions:
1.
TV Guide Mobile.

2.
CA Lottery app.

3.
The Parcel Track package tracking app.

4.
Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.

5.
The My Chart medical App.

I look forward to all of your replies,

Mark


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RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when 
the 4S had just come out.  I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in 
itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some honorable 
mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:

1.  the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help:  
BE MY EYES,  and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
2.  The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm not 
sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a brief 
message.
3.  Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
4.  Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or paratransit:  
BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.

Honorable mentions:  1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites like 
Chewy at my leisure.
2.  Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right where 
I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.
3.  Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
4.  Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the 
driver directly whether than a dispatcher,  and they are often cheaper.
God bless!

I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hello Everyone,

What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or 
any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence.

As for me:.

1.
The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as 
Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.  

2.
The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing 
Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.

3.
The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the 
fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera 
app, Seeing A.I., etc.

4.
The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such 
as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news 
reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.

5.
The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, 
Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.

Honorable Memtions:
1.
TV Guide Mobile.

2.
CA Lottery app.

3.
The Parcel Track package tracking app.

4.
Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.

5.
The My Chart medical App.

I look forward to all of your replies,

Mark


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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,

Here are the five ways apple products have changed my life..
1. they have opened up a whole new world for me, 
2. I love keeping up with friends and family.
3. I love making my own appointments in the calendar and reading my own email.
4. They have made apps accessible for me in many ways.
5. They have made it possible to communicate and have fun with technology just 
like the next guy.
Honorable mentions:
Seeing AI, Bible, money reader, Uber and lyft, AppleMail and books. 

Jenn and Kumi

> On May 24, 2019, at 11:48 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS
> and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal
> independence.
> 
> As for me:.
> 
> 1.
> The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as
> Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.  
> 
> 2.
> The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like
> Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.
> 
> 3.
> The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on
> the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS
> camera app, Seeing A.I., etc.
> 
> 4.
> The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps
> such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS
> news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.
> 
> 5.
> The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD
> Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.
> 
> Honorable Memtions:
> 1.
> TV Guide Mobile.
> 
> 2.
> CA Lottery app.
> 
> 3.
> The Parcel Track package tracking app.
> 
> 4.
> Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.
> 
> 5.
> The My Chart medical App.
> 
> I look forward to all of your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Mark and the rest of the list,

I have been utilizing the iPhone for almost as many years as VoiceOver has been 
on the devices. The only exception being the first year as I did not have At 
service in my area. I however was using an iPod touch. 

1. This first item is a pretty new option, but it makes my world a ton easier. 
The ability to check my blood sugar with a third party app such as DexCom or 
LibreLink.
2. Navigation applications: Seeing Eye GPS XT, Apple Map or even Google Maps.
3. Social media Applications such as Twitter (find me @BlindWorrell, 
Twitterrific, Facebook (this one is necessary evil to keep up with family and 
friends) and iMessage.
4. Sports applications: MLB @Bat is my goto app for baseball, The Athletic is a 
new and accessible service much like ESPN’s app.
5. News applications: Apple News, Newsify, Feedly, etc. They allow me to keep 
up with technology news and current events around the country.

Honorable mentions: Carrot Weather, Buffer, Trade Rumors, Anchor.FM, OverCast, 
Pedometer++, OutLook and many more that I can’t remember off the top of my head.

Ed
  

> On May 24, 2019, at 11:48 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS
> and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal
> independence.
> 
> As for me:.
> 
> 1.
> The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as
> Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.  
> 
> 2.
> The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like
> Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.
> 
> 3.
> The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on
> the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS
> camera app, Seeing A.I., etc.
> 
> 4.
> The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps
> such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS
> news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.
> 
> 5.
> The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD
> Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.
> 
> Honorable Memtions:
> 1.
> TV Guide Mobile.
> 
> 2.
> CA Lottery app.
> 
> 3.
> The Parcel Track package tracking app.
> 
> 4.
> Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.
> 
> 5.
> The My Chart medical App.
> 
> I look forward to all of your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
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