Hi group,
I'm excited to announce our newly formed non-profit organization to
the advancement of cold fusion.
We are planning an open catalyst project geared towards finding the
secret catalyst needed to achieve nuclear fusion in the solid state.
The plan is to use the power of the crowd to
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Joshua wrote:
“… And a top academic career would be a chair at a university or director
of a research institute.”
** **
Well, Josh, by your own definition, Dr. Robert Duncan, Vice Chancellor of
Very interesting!
I suggest to add an option for a simple neutron counter. Specially
good for cluster of reactors, but also for home users: you do not want
them to be irradiated.
mic
2011/12/20 Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com:
Hi group,
I'm excited to announce our newly formed
very interesting
On 12/20/11, Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi group,
I'm excited to announce our newly formed non-profit organization to
the advancement of cold fusion.
We are planning an open catalyst project geared towards finding the
secret catalyst needed to
On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
I didn't invent the name. It was called the Fleischmann-Pons
Effect for years. Google it. All I'm suggesting is that we should
honour the effect they discovered with their names, even if we
don't know how and why it happens. No point
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Christ man high school students replicated PF with both excess heat and
transmutations, in a MIT lab and in front of over 100 ICCF 10 attendees?
This reminded me of a Dilbert cartoon (since you seem interested in
Potentially a good idea for a non-profit, especially if donations can
drive the price down well below cost.
That said, where is the calorimeter? Also, the device looks too small.
This looks more like a Rossi replicator idea than a general purpose
LENR investigation device. That seems a
In fhen formula when he says same careful techniques he means you
must load NI+Fe+Mg
with hydrogen again this cause Mg became MgH2, so you don't need
external hydrogen for reaction and Fe in reaction cause H2 break
apart into H1, paving the way for reaction.
If you read chan formula you can
Things to consider:
1/ Probably want to make sure that the hydrogen you are being supplied
is a reasonably high purity 'technical' grade.
2/ Most researchers use multi-stage vacuum pumps to achieve high
vacuum, you probably want to buy a 2-stage vacuum pump such as used by
HVAC technicians (you
Initially, I found myself speculating that DGT's seeming reluctance to
invite Stremmenos to their labs would seem to imply that if he did come
and observe what they have in-house Stremmenos might uncover strong evidence
to the effect that reverse engineering of Rossi's eCat design had occurred.
Andrea Rossi dixit:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:26
AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=6#comment-152332
Dear Enrico Billi:
Anyway, I want again to confirm that we have understood perfectly the teory
.
Warm Regards
(lavolale, lavolale!)
A.R.
Theory understood perfectly, practice
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
This looks more like a Rossi replicator idea than a general purpose LENR
investigation device. That seems a bit premature, given the publicly
released evidence provided by Rossi thus far is so lacking scientifically.
More to the point, we do not
I think people coming from a country with a relatively normal history re
not able to understand well the behaviour of people coming from a country
that was once a dictature- as Greece (or Romania.)
Stremmenos and the leaders of DGT have been
comrades in fighting against the military regime-
and
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
So, this begs the
question: why doesn't Stremmenos go to DGT's labs and take a look around. I
take it he could do just that anytime he wants to. Right?
This makes no sense.
It is the damnedest thing I have seen in a long
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
I think people coming from a country with a relatively normal history re
not able to understand well the behaviour of people coming from a country
that was once a dictature- as Greece (or Romania.)
I knew lots of people who lived through the militarist
Glad you responded to DGT, Jed,
You conclude with:
I do not think I can get the message through.
I suppose they do not want to hear it.
I'm inclined to speculate that, yes, they HAVE gotten your message.
They probably got your message long ago. But perhaps, for strategic
business reasons,
Let me expand on some thoughts.
I gather Stremmenos has yet to visit DGT's labs. Why?
Several scenarios come to mind:
* If Stremmenos were to discover the fact that DGT's hyperons are
authentic, and that have created their own version of the secret
sauce, it would essentially authenticate DGT's
Any dictature breeds irrationalities and it is difficult to compare Japan's
imperialist one seemingly very popular with the Greek one hated by the
democratic people. And the kamikaze were lead by a very peculiar
rationality.
I think analogies have limited domains of application, we have to take
Here is a response to this proposal by Ed Storms. he feels this project is
dangerous. I share his concerns. I was going to say this, but he says it
with more authority than I could.
Rossi himself has often cautioned his readers that this research is
dangerous. I am glad he says that.
- Jed
- -
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
I'm inclined to speculate that, yes, they HAVE gotten your message.
They probably got your message long ago. But perhaps, for strategic
business reasons, they continue to deliberately obfuscate the issue by
exercising the art of deflection and misdirection.
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
And the kamikaze were lead by a very peculiar rationality.
A horrible business. For insight into it, see the book I was a Kamikaze
by Ruiji Nagatsuka, and Blossoms in the Wind: Human Legacies of the
Kamikaze, by M.G. Sheftall. I know some pilots in the
Cooling is optional? Gak!
Storms is right with one exception -- in a geometry such as Rossi has,
calorimetry is fairly easy. But not by Rossi's measurement methods.
They are disagreeing with your statement that Stremmenos accused them of
criminal activity.
You stated:
What is disturbing about Defkalion is their dispute with Stremmenos. To have
member of the Board of Directors accusing you of criminal activity in the mass
media is the worst public
Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
In addition, there was plenty of rational skepticism here long before Yugo
or Cude came around. By the time Yugo even made his/her/its presence
known, I think the forum had already touched on her criticisms, including
Rossi’s sordid past
From Robert:
...
Whether the decision is based on strategy or attorney's recommendation
is anybody's guess.
IMO, both are good guesses. ...a little of both.
I bet lawyers on both sides of the fence will make a bundle of money. ;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
Defkalion's responses have a highly Steornish flavor. They are tangential.
Evasive. I doubt it's a language problem.
The most likely reason Defkalion answers Jed the way they do is that they
depended on Rossi's word and his delivery of technology which never
happened. My best guess is that it
On an earlier post I suggested that the LENR reactions such as those exhibited
by Rossi could have been triggered by cosmic rays. I was a little disappointed
by the few comments that were generated and I was hoping to further study this
possibility.
One of the main skeptic positions is that
http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/string-theory-big-bang-2238/
The researchers said the spontaneous symmetry-breaking resulted from a quantum
fluctuation — a momentary violation in the law of conservation of energy, which
is permitted by the rules of quantum mechanics.
The space-time has
How come Mary Yugo explanations of the current events sounds always the
most rational, well thought and coherent?
It just fits all the facts.
Giovanni
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Defkalion's responses have a highly Steornish flavor. They are
On 11-12-20 10:44 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
I'm inclined to speculate that, yes, they HAVE gotten your message.
They probably got your message long ago. But perhaps, for strategic
business reasons, they continue to deliberately obfuscate the issue by
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
And if they're actually con guys, well, most criminals are, after all,
kind of dumb (despite the fact that the ones who get famous and written up
in the news tend to be exceptionally intelligent). This has been
From Stephen:
Perhaps they *are* stupid.
That issue is quite independent of whether they're honest. Not everybody in
business who is in a position to control substantial sums is highly
intelligent, after all.
And if they're actually con guys, well, most criminals are, after all, kind
of
Giovanni sez:
How come Mary Yugo explanations of the current events
sounds always the most rational, well thought and coherent?
It just fits all the facts.
According to your personal paradigm.
There will always be mutual admiration societies.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
Maryyugo's explanation always sounds more rational because he, she conveniently
omits the part that Rossi has allowed independent tests (although not performed
to his liking) and these tests do show O/I, especially Lewan's 2nd test and the
one performed by E K. If you added the following to
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:52 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps it would be wise to stop further speculation until we can
discern a more definitive pattern of actions from the primary actors
of this drama.
You can certainly abstain from speculation
Might I suggest all Not Off Topic (i.e., technical, aka, ‘signal’) postings use
NOT in the subject line to make them more obvious to those who care not to
waste bandwidth on the personal aspects of the Rossi saga…
In my latest session of ‘serendipitous surfing’, I was scanning a PDF of the
Nothing new in Mary's post. as USUAL.
The same old very tired speculations which PROVE nothing.
Same waste of bandwidth.
From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:32 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Once again, I advise Defkalion to show
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Nothing new in Mary’s post… as USUAL.
The same old very tired speculations which PROVE nothing.
Same waste of bandwidth.
Maybe the pattern I pointed out is not news but there is no speculation
Thanks Robert I appreciate your advice Are you building ?
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:23:20 +
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com
From: robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Things to consider:
1/ Probably want to make sure that the hydrogen you
Defkalion asked an independent expert to contact me and discuss some
aspects of the company and their technology. This person is well known to
me and I trust him completely. For the time being he asks to remain
anonymous, for good reasons.
The expert has examined the machines and discussed their
Horace,
Calorimetry is done through temperature monitorring, simple on the
equipment a bit more demanding on the experimentalist and analysis. In
due time we will post more details on the analysis as a help.
Device looks kinda small
Yes and I put a lot effort in making it even smaller. The
Yes, we know this all.
Serious companies do always forward this stuff anonymously on lists like
Vortex L.
Ok, sometimes they use better more prominent channels like PESWIKI or
Freeenenergytruth.
This is a definitive proof of reliability and truth.
Thank you very much!
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Their upcoming products are revolutionary. They are the best LENR
implementations ever produced. The expert says the prototype products are
consistent with the specifications described in the web site.
No tests were
On 2011-12-20 21:09, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The expert has examined the machines and discussed their business plans.
He has made an independent in-depth evaluation lasting several days. He
Do you mean that this person actually went there an examined the
machines in person? Sorry if I'm being
Hey Bastiaan,
How to you remove the heat?
Why don't you use a liquid coolant in a jacket surrounding the cell --
like Rossi seems to do? That would accomplish reasonably accurate
calorimetry for you automatically with nothing more than a flow meter,
two thermometers, a known electrical power
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Defkalion is not only starting a company, it is
developing revolutionary technology, dealing with complex business
arrangements, and dealing with Rossi, who is a difficult person to do
business with.
So they *are*
Materials and material preparation are the key to cold fusion. The hardest
part by far. You cannot use just any Ni material.
Exactly! That is why we want to engage the crowd! Because finding
exactly the right stuff may be a daunting task. Moreover, even if you
think you have found the right
Thomas Di Pietro
December 20th, 2011 at 1:22 PM
December 20th, 2011 at 1:22 PM
Dear Engineer Rossi [ google translate : ]
A few days ago we confirmed that it sold another 1-megawatt plant
to a U.S. customer who seem not to want to remain anonymous.
As soon as the contract of sale was ready
I#39;m a little shocked by this. It isn#39;t information nor opinion - more
some kind of propaganda. You#39;ve heard from somebody you trust completely
but can#39;t say who and that somebody shared an opinion with you based on
Defkalion asking him/her to do so, right? Who is protecting who? And
On 11-12-20 03:09 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Defkalion asked an independent expert to contact me and discuss some
aspects of the company and their technology. This person is well known
to me and I trust him completely. For the time being he asks to remain
anonymous, for good reasons.
OK, so
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Any idea WHEN your consultant might do some tests?
Soon, I hope.
How can an independent in-depth evaluation lasting several days NOT
involve doing tests?
It is what engineers call a site visit meaning a formal evaluation or
planning session made in
A site evaluation is something like what Matts Lewan did?
2011/12/20 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Any idea WHEN your consultant might do some tests?
Soon, I hope.
How can an independent in-depth evaluation lasting several days NOT
involve
There is nothing new in MOST of the posts in this string.
Very true. as I've been harping on, to everyone, for several weeks now, and
it has gotten so bad that even the mild-mannered Horace has issued a plea to
move the noise to vortexB. Did you not see his posting? Horace is probably
the most
On 11-12-20 03:42 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Any idea WHEN your consultant might do some tests?
Soon, I hope.
How can an independent in-depth evaluation lasting several days
NOT involve doing tests?
It is what
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
OK, so you cite someone you know, who is unnamed, who claims to have met
someone he now knows, but whom you haven't met . . .
How do you know who I have met, and not met?
The engineering and business operations at Defkalion are highly promising.
In this case we have to give Jed some slack.
What he described is what he was told by a persons he trusts as competent.
And what Jed was told is that an initial fist visit was done and everything
seems to be ok and as advertised.
It is just an initial, first inspection in preparation for a more
From Mr. Lawrence,
...
Good. Nice. The prototypes (mockups?) apparently look
pretty, and the paper specs look good. (So did the
Batmobile I saw at a car show some years back. It had
great specs, too, by the way.) But do they work? Do
they do anything at all? This statement says
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
He (unnamed party #1) says he was impressed by whatever it was.
Not exactly airtight.
It was not intended to be airtight. I think I made that clear, with
carefully hedged statements. If I thought it was airtight, I would have
said so. If the
I think that Defkalion's much higher quality engineering and design than
Rossi's is obvious from everything they have published till now on the
website. The Press Conference was also well organized and lead. Rossi has
abandoned them
but Defkalion has worked out a survival solution.
And hopefully
On 11-12-20 04:02 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
OK, so you cite someone you know, who is unnamed, who claims to
have met someone he now knows, but whom you haven't met . . .
How do you know who I have met, and not met?
I
Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Do you mean that this person actually went there an examined the
machines in person? Sorry if I'm being picky here. Just want to be
100% sure.
Yup, that's what I mean. Also tons of data from the machines. The data
was collected by Defkalion's equipment. The next step
[This may be duplicated]
Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Do you mean that this person actually went there an examined the machines
in person? Sorry if I'm being picky here. Just want to be 100% sure.
Yup, that's what I mean. Also tons of data from the machines. The data was
collected by Defkalion's
Am 20.12.2011 22:02, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
OK, so you cite someone you know, who is unnamed, who claims to have met
someone he now knows, but whom you haven't met . . .
How do you know who I have met, and not met?
The engineering and business
Mary,
I'm looking into cooling, it won't be finished for the first version
though. You can't just stick the reactor in a bath as the top and
bottem of the reactor have things (eg electrical wires) sticking out
from them. My plan is to use a 'springy' kind of copper tube coil,
that sids around the
On 11-12-19 09:14 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
From Susan
Jed,
How we call inidipendent the tests made by
Ampenergo ? Do we have something else excepts a bunch
of words ? Do you know who they are ? These guys are
all friends or in someway related to Rossi.
Somewhere there
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Do you mean that this person actually went there an examined the machines
in person? Sorry if I'm being picky here. Just want to be 100% sure.
Yup, that's what I mean. Also tons of data from
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Obviously, Mr. Lawrence is expressing reservations. It seems to me
that expressing doubt under the current circumstances is a perfectly
reasonable conclusion, considering all the obfuscation going on.
Sure. I still have
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Bastiaan Bergman
bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary,
I'm looking into cooling, it won't be finished for the first version
though. You can't just stick the reactor in a bath as the top and
bottem of the reactor have things (eg electrical wires) sticking
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
McKubre didn't test anything of Rossi's. (Correct me if I'm wrong,
please!) He knows someone who did. This is an important distinction.
That is correct. That is what he said during his lecture, which is linked
here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
We all know that Defkalion is behind their originally announced
schedule. It sounds like their RD is difficult and it is taking longer
than expected. Anyone who has been involved in RD would expect that. It
takes
Could it be Black Light Power?
-Original Message-
From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 10:39 am
Subject: [Vo]:Next Rossi customer update
Thomas Di Pietro
December 20th, 2011 at 1:22 PMDecember 20th, 2011 at 1:22 PM
Dear
On 11-12-20 04:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
We all know that Defkalion is behind their originally announced
schedule. It sounds like their RD is difficult and it is taking
longer than expected. Anyone who has been involved in RD would expect
that. It takes twice as long and it costs 10 times
No, don't have access to a workshop at the moment (I'm on wrong side of the
planet). Besides which I get the feeling that it is very very difficult to
do material processing and calorimetry to the standards required to
actually learn anything without access to a good materials lab and a
well
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Again, in Rossi's case, there is no evidence at all that his device can be
made to work at useful energy levels ... except the evidence which comes
from Rossi himself.
I guess there is no evidence if you cover your eyes and your ears and yell
nya,
http://youtu.be/QdoTdG_VNV4
Harry
At 02:07 PM 12/20/2011, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
Could
it be Black Light Power?
Hmmm ... they're in New Jersey, so it qualifies as North
East. But I think Rossi would regard them as a
snake/competitor.
Could it be Black Light Power?
Hmmm ... they're in New Jersey, so it qualifies as North East.
But I think Rossi would regard them as a snake/competitor.
Hah! Great speculation.
I wish BLP *would* find a way to acquire one of Rossi's contraptions.
Alas, me thinks this would be too much of a
I don't remember seeing this :
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/16/another-set-of-slides-from-sept-22-nasa-lenr-innovation-forum/
Fralick Slides
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20111209NASA-Fralick-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf
Slide 14 has a nice summary of theories (transcribed
At 01:12 PM 12/20/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Take it or leave it.
I'll take it ... thanks!
Coincidentally, today Krivit comes out with :
LENR Real; Rossi and Defkalion Dubious
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/20/lenr-real-rossi-and-defkalion-dubious/
At 03:29 PM 12/20/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
Ultra-Low Momentum Neutrons (Widom and Larsen)
[ I think his title's wrong ... WEAK force capture of heavy
electron and proton, giving U-L-M-N ]
May BAD!!! That's the first few words from WL's title !
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-12-magnetic-breakthrough-significant.html
Magnetic breakthrough may have significant pull
December 20, 2011
Physics professor Don Heiman and graduate student-researcher Steven
Bennett have designed a super-strong magnetic material that may
revolutionize the
On 11-12-20 05:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Again, in Rossi's case, there is no evidence at all that his
device can be made to work at useful energy levels ... except the
evidence which comes from Rossi himself.
I
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Oh? On-demand production of **useful** heat? From gas phase hydrogen on
nickel, with nothing but roasting to trigger the reaction?
By roasting I assume you mean gas loading followed by heat. Piantelli did
that.
All results are on demand. See
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Very true but all the more reason to avoid the extravagant claims and
bluster which was so obvious in earlier postings by Defkalion to their
forum -- around June of this year. Perhaps you missed those? Things like
having dozens of reactors under test,
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
But what is wrong with that?!? Nearly every effect discovered since 1700
has started off on a small scale, and was later scaled up: electricity,
electromagnetism, radio waves, fission, lasers, transistors . . .
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Very true but all the more reason to avoid the extravagant claims and
bluster which was so obvious in earlier postings by Defkalion to their
forum -- around June of this year.
Tiresome accusations like this ought to be banned from this list. Have you ever
once seen a paycheck cut for the job of Internet trolling? Really? Really?
Because it sounds like an awesome part time job, frankly.
On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:10, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you're being pedantic here. Of course I mean that they made the
exorbitant claims without proper evidence, not that I have proof that the
claims are false. The claims are incredible and extreme.
Not as far as I know. They are not incredible or
This is good news. There was a similar announcement from a Japanese
university, this year I think. Don't recall which one . . . They also
developed powerful magnets without rare earths.
The Japanese government was upset by the Chinese market manipulations of
rare earths. It launched a number of
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest you hedge your bets.
I've done that all along. And please don't patronize me. It's not very
elegant. Grasshopper indeed. You're not some sort of senior sage. You're
just trying to decipher a
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest you hedge your bets.
I've done that all along.
Maybe amp it up a few notches?
And please don't patronize me. It's not very elegant. Grasshopper
indeed. You're not some sort of senior sage.
Ah, but I am an honorary oriental. (Brevetted
This seems to be the usual result when someone tries to corner a market. A
long time ago the sulfur suppliers tried it and lost out big time. They will
reap their just rewards.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent:
Mary,
This was easy to check. There is indeed a Xanthi Police Academy. Not yet
news if they are indeed warmed up by e-cats.
http://www.xanthi.ilsp.gr/cultureportalweb/print.php?article_id=1070lang=enprint_mode=article
Giovanni
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Jed Rothwell
And here where the Police academy is located on google maps:
http://wikimapia.org/17980152/Police-academy
Giovanni.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary,
This was easy to check. There is indeed a Xanthi Police Academy. Not yet
news if they
AND HERE IT IS !
Go on the left of the academy and you see a symbol of a factory. If you
translate from Greek this what you get:
Former Factory Atmatzidis
It will house the 1 of the 3 plants of the company power Defkalion.
Also there have been some installation work.
Giovann
On Tue, Dec 20,
So the coordinates of the Defkalion factory are:
41.1188
24.8674
Giovanni
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
wrote:
AND HERE IT IS !
Go on the left of the academy and you see a symbol of a factory. If you
translate from Greek this what you get:
Found the Defkalion factory coordinates. It is indeed close to the Xanthi
Police Academy.
Here they are:
41.1188
24.8674
Giovanni
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Article on Defkalion from a local Xanthi newpaper:
http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/8221-o-antiktipos-gia-ti-defkalion-stin-xanthi-i-epomeni-parousiasi.html
Giovanni
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
wrote:
So the coordinates of the
Google translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=eltl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xanthipress.gr%2Feidiseis%2Fpolitiki%2F8221-o-antiktipos-gia-ti-defkalion-stin-xanthi-i-epomeni-parousiasi.html
On 12/21/2011 3:51 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
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*He meant this person attended the AmpEnerco tests, such as the one in
McKube's slide #32:
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Dear Jed
I have a few question for you (or if possible for McKubre himself)
Fell free to answer or just ignore me.
I read carefully the slide # 32
I couldn't find any person's name. Can we know this
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