Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-10 Thread Michele Comitini
Hi Steven, Look at this: http://www.fourmilab.ch/gravitation/orbits/ the result is very similar to your simulations. mic 2012/8/10 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net: Hey Steven, the website is looking very nice; and enjoyed perusing your artwork… So that’s what happened to Kinkade!!

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Look at this: http://www.fourmilab.ch/gravitation/orbits/ the result is very similar to your simulations. Thanks Michele. Yes, I've generated simulations very similar to what is shown here. This particular run looks to me as if the algorithm used 1/r^3 (a cube value) to generate the

[Vo]:Some ICCF-17 papers posted on New Energy Times

2012-08-10 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, Have a look here for some papers by various authors to be presented during ICCF-17: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17.shtml Cheers, S.A.

[Vo]:Answer to Peter Gluck's open letter to ICCF-17

2012-08-10 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, Peter Gluck posted on his blog an answer to his Open Letter to ICCF-17 [1] by Prof. Sunwon Park [2] and Dr. Frank Gordon [3], ICCF-17 lead organizers. Since he linked that here on Vortex-L and hasn't done so yet for its answer, I thought it might be useful for this community to

Re: [Vo]:Answer to Peter Gluck's open letter to ICCF-17

2012-08-10 Thread Peter Gluck
Thanks Akira, I am working on my paper comments re the Defkalion presentations of yesterday and I wanted to inform my colleagues/friends of both publications at once. I am writing a bit slowly, Hadjichristos' paper is complex. But I think it is even more important than complex. New Wave in LENR.

[Vo]:TG(I)F

2012-08-10 Thread Terry Blanton
I am grateful it is Friday; but, the subject here is terrestrial gamma-ray flashes. Firefly is a stack of three CubeSats designed to determine if lightning can create gamma-rays by accelerating electrons to near relativistic speeds: http://firefly.siena-space.org/ T

RE: [Vo]:Some ICCF-17 papers posted on New Energy Times

2012-08-10 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Did you guys and gals notice where Pamela Mosier-Boss's address was??? -- Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology -Mark -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa [mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 6:08 AM To:

Re: [Vo]:Some ICCF-17 papers posted on New Energy Times

2012-08-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:09 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Did you guys and gals notice where Pamela Mosier-Boss's address was??? -- Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Just visiting: http://iccf17.org/popup/bio_12.htm T

Re: [Vo]:Some ICCF-17 papers posted on New Energy Times

2012-08-10 Thread Rich Murray
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Mosier-Boss-Its-Not-Low-Energy-Paper.pdf free full text report 6 pages The most recent citation listed is 2009... http://iccf17.org/popup/bio_12.htm Dr. Pamela A. Mosier-Boss is a visiting scientist at MIT. She has conducted

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Some ICCF-17 papers posted on New Energy Times

2012-08-10 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Nice catch Mark .. that is more like where she belongs than SPAWAR - they could give her a pittance and she would feel well funded compared to the shoestring budget she has been on. Fran -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, August 10,

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Some ICCF-17 papers posted on New Energy Times

2012-08-10 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-10 17:38, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Nice catch Mark .. that is more like where she belongs than SPAWAR - they could give her a pittance and she would feel well funded compared to the shoestring budget she has been on. This is Krivit's explanation for that:

[Vo]:No energy balance on Papp engine, no faith

2012-08-10 Thread Kelley Trezise
Long time lurker. Hope I'm using this correctly. Looked at the video of the Papp Engine and just thought I might add that I am always a little ill at ease when I don't see an energy balance on a system that people are claiming to produce net energy out. I saw Rossi's rough data from last year

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-10 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Not sure if this is relevant but have wondered if the same discount to disassociation I am positing for fractional molecules being moved between different suppression regions /geometries would also exist for molecules moved between different inertial frames like the event horizon in your

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-10 Thread George Holz
Hi Steven (SVJ) and Michele, John Walker was very helpful to me in the early days of Autodesk. In those days John was Autodesk. We shared a strong interest in microcomputer based graphics. I particularly like his short story Einstein, Heisenberg, and Tipler.

Re: [Vo]:No energy balance on Papp engine, no faith

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
Welcome, Kelley Trezise, great to have your participation here at Vortex. Take note. The engine was not connected to electric power when it exploded. See the article in total. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zWJNyoFgJMfeature=related Apart from the intense contemporary work to

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-10 Thread LORENHEYER
If a large percentage of Politicians, Banker, Financier, etc., etc., either already has engaged in corrption and/or have a 10% chance they *would*,,, then Obama is 110% absolutely the most power/money-hungry bribing scheming corrupt Illegal illegitimateindividual (of the heard mentality

RE: [Vo]:No energy balance on Papp engine, no faith

2012-08-10 Thread Jones Beene
From: Kelley Trezise Long time lurker. Hope I'm using this correctly. Looked at the video of the Papp Engine and just thought I might add that I am always a little ill at ease when I don't see an energy balance on a system that people are claiming to produce net

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-10 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Hi George, Love the short-story, thx for providing the link. Went browsing around Fourmilab.ch and found this, also by John Walker, in May of 1989: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/sftriple/nanofuse.html Is john still around? And if so, does he realize how prescient he was? I wonder if

Re: [Vo]:No energy balance on Papp engine, no faith

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
Sorry, this is the proper link: http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome, Kelley Trezise, great to have your participation here at Vortex. Take note. The engine was not connected to electric

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
At this juncture, it is near impossible to tell what the exact nuclear mechanism is at play in the DGT reaction. The Piantelli based compound neutron mechanism has no support that I can see and is just a guess. Even the details of Rydberg matter mechanism is a guess, The matter could be

[Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, Have a look at the following photo and the attached technical information. These come from a quite reliable inside source who was allowed to leak some data and information about Rossi's 1200 °C test E-Cat core currently under testing. This was originally in Italian language, any

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-10 Thread Peter Gluck
What is happening now is that for the first time the products of the reaction(s) and their variation as a function of time and of other parameters can be analysed systematically. There are real possibilities to discover what happens, and a lot of unexpected things happen. It is not a simple system

Re: [Vo]:No energy balance on Papp engine, no faith

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
The anomaly that John Rohner discovered is amazing and instructive. The collapse of the plasma can be delayed and the energy stored in it is received and converted to heat in a coil outside of the reaction chamber. The is no emf detected. I think it is quantum decoherence process of a nuclear

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
Take note: *We use several layers of “agents”, coated around a Si-Al ceramic surface surrounding the nickel foam, to help RSH atoms to survive this journey. Some of these agents are ZnO, MgO and ZrO2.* They don't say what all the agents are. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Peter Gluck

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Peter Gluck
dear Akira can you send me the original Italian text? thanks! Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: Hello group, Have a look at the following photo and the attached technical information. These come from a quite reliable inside source who

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-10 20:46, Peter Gluck wrote: dear Akira can you send me the original Italian text? thanks! Sent to your email address. Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-10 Thread Peter Gluck
Being in their place, position, would you say what the agents are- exactly? By the way, who is greatest world authority in Rydberg Hydrogen? Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Take note: *We use several layers of “agents”, coated around a Si-Al ceramic

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Peter Gluck
Grazie! On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2012-08-10 20:46, Peter Gluck wrote: dear Akira can you send me the original Italian text? thanks! Sent to your email address. Cheers, S.A. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania

[Vo]:The Collective's long-term memory...

2012-08-10 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Because Vortex-l was mentioned and linked to by people commenting at various websites in the last year, we have many new minds in the Collective.. that's good! Due to its very purpose of discussing the fringes of science and technology, it has at least looked under every stone, and in some cases

RE: [Vo]:The Collective's long-term memory...

2012-08-10 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Hey Jones, SVJ, Fran, Terry. I just sent a personal email to Bill. but he is so busy it might be weeks before I hear from him! The online web-searchable DB seems to start at 1/1/2002. is there any reason, other than noone having time, why older messages aren't in the same DB? I will

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
Dear Peter you are naughty. For one who adheres to EGO OUT, you temp me sorely. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Being in their place, position, would you say what the agents are- exactly? By the way, who is greatest world authority

RE: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Peter, Please double check Akira's translation to verify correctness... It's obviously VERY hot (north of 800C according to the text); can those small-guage wires sustain that kind of heat all by themselves? -Mark -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-10 Thread Peter Gluck
I am naughty and sleepy but please give a few details/proofs. You have told a lot about Rydberg atoms and I think you know it better than me. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Peter you are naughty. For one who adheres to EGO OUT, you temp me sorely.

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Peter Gluck
Akira translates perfectly always, I just wanted to see some terms. The context of this story is interesting. Plus the material problems. Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:24 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Peter, Please double check Akira's translation to verify correctness...

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-10 Thread Michele Comitini
“Quantum nonlocality is a bug.” :-) mic 2012/8/10 George Holz geh...@optonline.net: Hi Steven (SVJ) and Michele, John Walker was very helpful to me in the early days of Autodesk. In those days John was Autodesk. We shared a strong interest in microcomputer based graphics. I particularly

Re: [Vo]:Some ICCF-17 papers posted on New Energy Times

2012-08-10 Thread Rich Murray
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Mosier-Boss-Its-Not-Low-Energy-Paper.pdf free full text report 6 pages PA Mosier-Boss does not explicitly discuss previous claims of anomalous results when a 6 KV DC external field is applied to external plates just outside

Re: [Vo]:The Collective's long-term memory...

2012-08-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Yes, Bill changed archiving sites at that time due to performance or cost, don't remember which. You could search the old archives and find out which! ;-) T On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:13 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hey Jones, SVJ, Fran, Terry… I just sent a personal

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Jouni Valkonen
I myself are starting to see a pattern here. There are again two wire conducting more than enough electricity to the device. Some intended measurement error here and some other there, and pretty soon we are talking real heat. They all follow the same pattern that can easily hide a fraud inside. It

[Vo]:Gas driven E-cat

2012-08-10 Thread Michele Comitini
I suppose he is speaking of methane. No need for electrical power anymore. Seems that Rossi is leaving competition in the dust. Read below. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=679cpage=3#comment-299135 Andrea Rossi August 10th, 2012 at 11:54 AM ... We are very close to a 1 MW plant

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:40 PM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Weapons-grade Balonium Everyone with half a brain cell knows that what he released was faked. But I guess I can forgive you because you don't have half a brain cell. Attempting to use my quarter-cell, I wasted an entire day researching the

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
The SCAM that is based on a real system is more effective than one that is not. A working prototype is a life long meal ticket. If the technology is released, the easy money comes to an end. The inventor is moved out of the picture by the big money interests. One must not confuse the SCAM with

Re: [Vo]:Gas driven E-cat

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
This implies no computer controls. The Rossi reaction must still be thermionic. Cheers:Axil On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose he is speaking of methane. No need for electrical power anymore. Seems that Rossi is leaving

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:42 PM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Baloney. This is your opinion proffered as law. Nothing more than a bunch of BS. A Natural Born US citizen is one with both US citizen parents and born on US soil. Period. Stop the lies. That opinion was rejected more than a hundred years ago.

Re: [Vo]:Gas driven E-cat

2012-08-10 Thread bertoldo arpagoni
WOW! That's a true astonishing achievement! The FART triggered ECAT! I bet that after this announcement the BEAN's stock market, aside the nickel one, is going to get a big boost on the near future. Let's see what's goin'on in Wall Street next Monday opening! Just matter of solve the smell issue

[Vo]:something about plasma

2012-08-10 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Plasma is in all the anomalies, although it may be at the nanoscale in wet cells, it is obvious in sonoluminescence /sono fusion, Mill's black light process, noble gas engine and the early contenders like the MAHG. I recall being ridiculed early on for suggesting that Casimir geometries could

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: “Quantum nonlocality is a bug.” :-) A real programmer would have called it an undocumented feature. T

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry sez: A real programmer would have called it an undocumented feature. Back in the mid 1980s, at the Space Astronomy Lab, University of Wisconsin, where I worked as a ground support computer programmer, we would just say: Everything is nominal. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson

Re: [Vo]:something about plasma

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
When a plasma cools, it degrades to Rydberg matter. Rydberg atoms, and molecules and crystals are one of several means of focusing and concentrating electron screening which lowers the coulomb barrie. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:31 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Terry sez: A real programmer would have called it an undocumented feature. Back in the mid 1980s, at the Space Astronomy Lab, University of Wisconsin, where I worked as a ground support computer

Re: [Vo]:something about plasma

2012-08-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Yep, Francis. It's looking more and more like Jones is spot on and Mills has missed the boat. What is it now, $70 M with no supportable IP. The lawyers will profit when all is said and done with a conclusion that all has been in the public domain for decades. T

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, Have a look at the following photo and the attached technical information. http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/rossi-now-able-to-use-gas-not-electric-to-drive-e-cat/ T

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread ecat builder
Thanks for the translation, Akira... For those interested, I believe the source is here: http://www.cobraf.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=5747reply_id=123482996#123482996 Chrome seems to be the best browser for automatic translation. - Brad

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 - Rydberg H

2012-08-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 03:11 PM 8/9/2012, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Thanks, I perused it, but I'm not sure how Defkalion incorporates this into their proposed theory. Does anyone have any insights? -- Lou Pagnucco So's paper:

[Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
The question: Why is the axial confinement coil required in the papp engine. The Papp reaction will not work without the coil. The answer: When the plasma is formed, the coil confines plasma into a very thin conductive channel where one dimensional electron flow along the channel makes the

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Kelley Trezise
Talk about hyperkinetic hyperbolie!! Rossi is a world class criminal! I suppose all those who have ever associated with him even in witnessing his tests (criminal activities) should be put on trial with him. I must admit to drifting in the direction of the increasingly less convinced mass. I

Re: [Vo]:Gas driven E-cat

2012-08-10 Thread David Roberson
I performed some simulations earlier and my results suggested that as long as you keep the COP to 6 or less, then the system will be stable with a heat type of control. This matches the gas concept as long as he is careful not to overheat the device. I still see that Rossi always insists

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
It is hard to beleive. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.comwrote: ** Talk about hyperkinetic hyperbolie!! Rossi is a world class criminal! I suppose all those who have ever associated with him even in witnessing his tests (criminal

Re: [Vo]:Gas driven E-cat

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
Notice that here is no radio frequency generators used now. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:24 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I performed some simulations earlier and my results suggested that as long as you keep the COP to 6 or less, then the system will be stable

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-10 Thread George Holz
Hi Mark, Fourmilab.ch is John's web site. He has a vast range of interests. He was president of Autodesk for decades. He was IMO their best programmer as well. When he left for Switzerland where he now lives his stock was worth 10's of millions. We have not been directly in touch for at least

RE: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Kelley/Jouni: You guys are missing the big picture… what Rossi does now is immaterial. What he *did* is open the floodgates, and because of that, there are now enough high-level people aware of what the ENTIRE LENR/CF COMMUNITY has accomplished – namely, irrefutable proof that the excess heat

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread noone noone
Rossi is NOT a criminal. He is an absolute hero for developing the world's first practical cold fusion technology. This technology is developing much faster than if he had went through official channels such as the cult-like peer review system. If he had wasted his time writing hundreds of

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread noone noone
What he did was do more than open the floodgates. He has developed a kilowatt class system while almost everyone else could only produce tens of watts. Now, he has a system that can also produce 1,000C degree temperatures that can allow for efficient conversion to electricity. His technology

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread noone noone
Rossi should not be put on trial for anything. The establishment that has suppressed cold fusion for the past twenty or so years should be put on trial! The way he ignored the peer review system is what allowed this technology to be rapidly developed. If he had played the game of the official

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 11 August 2012 01:48, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: You guys are missing the big picture… what Rossi does now is immaterial. What he **did** is open the floodgates, and because of that, there are now enough high-level people aware of what the ENTIRE LENR/CF COMMUNITY has

Re: [Vo]:Gas driven E-cat

2012-08-10 Thread Chemical Engineer
No, that reactor is based upon my second theory of aliens farting thru a wormhole... My 1st theory is singularity evaporation from rydberg spears hitting each other head on at tip of spear On Friday, August 10, 2012, bertoldo arpagoni wrote: WOW! That's a true astonishing achievement! The

[Vo]:AP Fleischmann obit

2012-08-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news-DS-Cold-Fusion-Chemist-Martin-Fleischmann-Dies-at-85-080912.aspx

Re: [Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:05:03 -0400: Hi, [snip] This causes aneutronic fusion of three helium atoms into Boron11 and a proton. This reaction doesn't happen. It's endothermic to the tune of about 8 MeV. In fact the reverse reaction (p+B11 - 3 * He4) is the dream of

Re: [Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
Sorry, please excuse me; I was thinking about the Triple alpha process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=Z0IPWmm7GDc With Carbon 12 = Boron 11 (5 protons and 6 neutrons) with a proton emission The net positive charge of the gas from proton emmision causes the back

Re: [Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
sorry again, the proper link is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple-alpha_process Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, please excuse me; I was thinking about the Triple alpha process:

[Vo]:Is Palladium a red herring?

2012-08-10 Thread Kelley Trezise
I am sure PF had hopes of seeing clear signs of fusion by packing as much hydrogen into a sample of palladium as possible but after their initial success it became apparent to them that the process was dicy, as in a collection of samples, some worked and some did not. It should have been

Re: [Vo]:Is Palladium a red herring?

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
For 20 years, most cold fusion research was stymied by the traditional belief of how fusion was supposed to work. There were a few others who recognized that electron screening was lowering the coulomb barrier but these workers were in the minority and not influential. Even E. Storms idea has

Re: [Vo]:AP Fleischmann obit

2012-08-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:09 PM 8/10/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news-DS-Cold-Fusion-Chemist-Martin-Fleischmann-Dies-at-85-080912.aspx Research on cold fusion persists on the fringes of the scientific world. Psheeesh !!!

Re: [Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:51:55 -0400: Hi, [snip] Sorry, please excuse me; I was thinking about the Triple alpha process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=Z0IPWmm7GDc With Carbon 12 = Boron 11 (5 protons and 6 neutrons) with a proton

Re: [Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
(*C12* is C12 in an excited state - it has an additional 15.96 MeV that it* * * *desperately wants to get rid of)* This is only true when the coulomb barrier is up at full strength. But when the coulomb barrier is completely down, protons behave like neutrons. They can exit the nucleus with no

Re: [Vo]:Is Palladium a red herring?

2012-08-10 Thread Harry Veeder
Similiar to Jones suggestion that the mass of a proton is just an average, perhaps the charge of a proton is just an average, so what takes place is a momentary reduction of charge instead of charge screening. harry On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: For 20

Re: [Vo]:Is Palladium a red herring?

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
The wholesale fusion of multiple heavy atoms in their entierty as scene in the LeClair reaction speaks against this idea. Cheers:Axil On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Similiar to Jones suggestion that the mass of a proton is just an average,

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-10 Thread Jojo Jaro
I grow tired of reading your verbose essays of YOUR opinion as if you're an expert. Are you a Software Architect that knows how lousy compression works. Do you know the lousy algortihm intimately enough to say what the artifacts are? I have an MS in Computer Science and I don't even

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-10 Thread Jojo Jaro
Baloney. The courts have ruled that a Natural Born US citizen is one where both parents are US Citizens and born in US soil. And here you are elevating yourself to a position higher than the courts. You can not throw away court decisions you don't like. That is anarchy. You know, I don't

Re: [Vo]:Hydrogen in Papp

2012-08-10 Thread Chemical Engineer
I'm buying the kit! I guess that thing has an alternator keeping the battery charged and firing the starter coil so in effect it is self-sustaining until the gas leaks by seals, etc. 300 hp = 224 kW self sustaining and that is the 2 cylinder unit! HOLY S#%€ is that thing real? If they are

[Vo]:Hydrogen in Papp

2012-08-10 Thread Chemical Engineer
I'm buying the kit! I guess that thing has an alternator keeping the battery charged and firing the starter coil so in effect it is self-sustaining until the gas leaks by seals, etc. 300 hp = 224 kW self sustaining and that is the 2 cylinder unit! HOLY S#%€ is that thing real? If they are

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Robert Lynn
Looks like Rossi has invented a tube furnace,or bought one and coated it in a refractory. Not a very convincing picture. No visible connections for gas or other fluids, no temperature sensors, just a couple of electrical supplies. Typically shoddy Rossi work, and again I ask myself is this

Re: [Vo]:Hydrogen in Papp

2012-08-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Geeze, I'm the friggin' class clown. Could youse guys get serious again. Otherwise, I'm gonna file a grievance. Doh! T

Re: [Vo]:Hydrogen in Papp

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
I was wondering. Where will you get the noble gases at? That might be expensive, or as a chemistry person, do you have a inside connection. Cheers:Axil On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: I'm buying the kit! I guess that thing has an alternator

Re: [Vo]:Detailed inside information about Rossi's 1000C test reactor

2012-08-10 Thread Akira Shirakawa
A technical analysis at last! On 2012-08-11 04:05, Robert Lynn wrote: Looks like Rossi has invented a tube furnace,or bought one and coated it in a refractory. Yep, a very crude device. Makes you wonder about others', or maybe the opposite depending on your point of view. Not a very

Re: [Vo]:Hydrogen in Papp

2012-08-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. Where will you get the noble gases at? That might be expensive, or as a chemistry person, do you have a inside connection. http://airgas.com/ T

Re: [Vo]:Hydrogen in Papp

2012-08-10 Thread Chemical Engineer
I have used http://www.airproducts.com/products/Gases.aspx Based on what i read they will have a freon-type cannister you will pickup at the local automotive store and just screw onto the engine to recharge. On Friday, August 10, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:47 PM,

[Vo]:The original Papp patent.

2012-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
The original Papp patent. Be warned, it contains many booby traps. http://freenrg.info/Practical_Guide_FE_Devices/D11.pdf Cheers:Axil

Re: [Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-10 Thread Eric Walker
Le Aug 10, 2012 à 5:24 PM, mix...@bigpond.com a écrit : The reaction 3*He4 = C12 yields 7.27 MeV. (Helium burning in stars). Removing a proton from C12 to produce B11 *costs* 15.96 MeV. Hence adding a proton to B11 with the ensuing production of 3 alpha particles produces 8.68 MeV.

Re: [Vo]:Is Palladium a red herring?

2012-08-10 Thread Eric Walker
Le Aug 10, 2012 à 4:59 PM, Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.com a écrit :. If it is the micro structural defects that provide the environment for the reaction to take place then any material that provides such a place be it tungsten, iron, cobalt, or what have you will suffice provided the

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:31 PM 8/10/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: I grow tired of reading your verbose essays of YOUR opinion as if you're an expert. Are you a Software Architect that knows how lousy compression works. Well, I've merely worked with compression algorithms for, what, about thirty years. No, I'm not an

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** If you want attacks to stop, then call for moderation in this forum from the people who are most guilty. Off-topic posts are destroying this forum; and believe me, I am the last person who wants that to happen. The