Re: [Vo]:X-rays, IR, RF the Rossi effect

2014-10-08 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Apart from noise in measurements, such a discrepancy might be due to natural variation in the isotopic composition of nickel; to a reaction eating away some of the 61Ni and 64Ni; or to Rossi's using a preparation that is somehow depleted in these specific isotopes. I think the

Re: [Vo]:X-rays, IR, RF the Rossi effect

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
Its entirely conceivable that if the nickel micro particles are spaced far enough apart, then no transmutation from nickel to copper will be seen. The magnetic beams that produce the LENR reaction will usually project away from the tips of the nanowire field emitters on the micro particles. The

Re: [Vo]:Who is Bill Nichols

2014-10-08 Thread frobertcook
www.rossilivecat.com/ The item is about #60 now--it is dated Oct 5 at 1:48 PM. The items on the rossi blog are listed by date and time. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneEric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:21 AM, frobertcook

Re: [Vo]:Zirconia?

2014-10-08 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Yes, but I am torn between Axil’s posit that the hydrogen atoms form a bose condensate and equally thermalize and this posit by Bob that the sites are discrete pockets contained by zirconia dielectric.. are these 2 posits as conflicted as they appear or perhaps this is a matter of scale where

Re: [Vo]:Zirconia?

2014-10-08 Thread Jack Cole
Perhaps it could be more than just housing the nanoparticles because of the very strong electrostatic field created within the zeolite cavities and the oscillation of the cavity. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/j100558a022 http://youtu.be/2L-lKozWjSA On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Bob

[Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L, Just saw thishave not evaluated it: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/10/08/e-cat-report-leaked/ Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Craig Haynie
A very positive test. Craig On 10/08/2014 08:24 AM, Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex-L, Just saw thishave not evaluated it: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/10/08/e-cat-report-leaked/ Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Foks0904 .
It's here! And it's positive! I suppose not too shocking to any of us here. COP looks very healthy and somewhere in between French's magic numbers and Jones'/Brian Ahern's speculations. Also looks like the ash changed significantly indicating some kind of novel nuclear reaction, as indicated by

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Foks0904 .
Also wasn't this supposed to have been carried out by others beside Levi, Essen, and company? I don't see any new names here. Not that it matters to me, but won't we just hear the same bullshit objections that it's a inside job? On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Jack Cole
It's an impressive result, despite running it in a way to make measurement convenient and to minimize the likelihood of damaging the device. They ran the power at a constant rate rather than allowing for self-sustained periods. The COP was 3.13 to 3.74 depending on the power input level. Given

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread torulf.greek
Levi, Essen, and company have made the chalorimetry, look down in the paper, there are more reports made by other people. On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:34:19 -0400, Foks0904 . wrote: Also wasn't this supposed to have been carried out by others beside Levi, Essen, and company? I don't see any new

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Foks0904 .
Aha. Thanks torulf. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:43 AM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: Levi, Essen, and company have made the chalorimetry, look down in the paper, there are more reports made by other people. On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:34:19 -0400, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: Also

[Vo]:Second Rossi report is here

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/9-LuganoReportSubmit-pdf Observation of abundant heat production from a reactor device and of isotopic changes in the fuel Giuseppe Levi, Bologna University, Bologna, Italy Evelyn Foschi, Bologna, Italy Bo Höistad, Roland Pettersson and

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
This was not leaked. Essen gave a copy to someone who uploaded it with permission. (I think it was Mats Lewan.) This has been submitted to arXiv but it has been delayed for unknown reasons. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
not 6 month... the longitudinal hair cutters will say Rossi lied ! moreover it was done by LEVI, and others accomplice... thus since Levi have seen an E-cat test work, and have not said it is a fraud (a sure fact), you know that he is himself part of the fraud, and thus his report have no

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Foks0904 .
Yeah exactly...that's going to be the pseudo-skeptical talking-point that get's hammered home till we all want to puke. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: not 6 month... the longitudinal hair cutters will say Rossi lied ! moreover it was done by LEVI,

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
Although LENR supporters will be impressed at first glance, the biggest problems – already being mentioned - and they could be fatal to wider acceptance, are that Levi remains the lead author and the lack of reliable calorimetry, and the strange isotope shifts. Look at these ! Bizarre and

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Foks0904 .
*This is probably not going to be the instant bombshell, or extremely well-prepared announcement from truly independent scientists that we had hoped for.* Agreed. I don't think any of us should be pinning all our hopes on this overturning establishment beliefs, but I think it's a rather

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Bob Higgins
The report cites the fuel as a combination of LiAlH4 and Ni + Fe. It appears the Ni is treated with an Fe catalyst as I surmised - this is the powder I have been working with. The LiAlH4 means that Rossi is using a hydride supplying only H2 and not D. Bob Higgins

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Foks0904 .
What does that indicate about the reaction to you Bob? On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: The report cites the fuel as a combination of LiAlH4 and Ni + Fe. It appears the Ni is treated with an Fe catalyst as I surmised - this is the powder I have

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Foks0904 This is probably not going to be the instant bombshell, or extremely well-prepared announcement from truly independent scientists that we had hoped for. Agreed. I don't think any of us should be pinning all our hopes

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Jack Cole
My opinion is that it will matter to the people who can do something with the information. It will matter to people with money to fund research and companies who don't live in ivory towers. It will matter to potential industrial customers of IH. In the end, I think Rossi will be proven correct

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
Correction and addition. We seem to going from Ni58 all the way to Ni62, much of the time without the orderly progression 58-59-60-61-62. As for “hopping”… guess who is on the case: https://inis.iaea.org/search/search.aspx?orig_q=RN:27064120 On the possibility of neutron hopping in crystals

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Alan Fletcher
Mats Lewan via eCat world : The report has been uploaded to Arxiv.org which, however has put it on hold, without specifying any motive for this. It has also been sent to Journal of Physics D. I got the report sent to me by Hanno Essén who said that he now considers it to be public, although not

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Foks0904 .
Jones -- I've been in contact on-and-off with Peter H. since last October, but he's a very busy man with his teaching duties, etc. and I try not to bother him too much. But I agree he is on my short-list no doubt and will get a hold of him sooner than later. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Jones

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Bob Higgins
There a few things I noticed in this. First is that Rossi's powder appears to be less actively thermochemically processed than what I have first used - I.E it seems more lightly thermochemically processed. The second observation is that the reactor is not very clean. There appears to be no

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Foks0904 .
Interesting, thanks. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: There a few things I noticed in this. First is that Rossi's powder appears to be less actively thermochemically processed than what I have first used - I.E it seems more lightly thermochemically

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
Of further interest https://archive.org/stream/TheLithiumAnomalyAndThe7li3he4he6liNeutronTransfe rReaction/Lithium_Anomaly_2_djvu.txt A thesis on “the lithium anomaly” Correction and addition. We seem to going from Ni58

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: So it appears that the air and water are not poisons for the reaction. That is very surprising if true. Shocking! - Jed

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Alan Fletcher
Releasing the report during Nobel week means that all the scientific journalists will be busy on that and/or won't have space for it (print versions). The Lithium shift is interesting and doesn't seem to be by design : it's purpose is just to supply the hydrogen, but it's obviously being

[Vo]:Mats Lewan story on the new third party report

2014-10-08 Thread H Veeder
New scientific report on the E-Cat shows excess heat and nuclear process http://matslew.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/new-scientific-report-on-the-e-cat-shows-excess-heat-and-nuclear-process/ ​Harry​

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
the four neutron absorption remind be the 2,4 or 6 deuteron absorbed in Iwamura, as Ed Storms spotted. It is coherent with a symmetric reaction involving either 2/4/6 neutrons, or 2/4/6 hydrogen atoms . since there is no thermal neutron observed, there is no neutron involved in high quantity, or

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
indeed. to be honest AFAIK they don't need that report to know it. however it can help them not to be ridiculed and fired. 2014-10-08 16:40 GMT+02:00 Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com: My opinion is that it will matter to the people who can do something with the information. It will matter to

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
http://rossiisreal.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/probability-now-20/ Disappointed to see the same names at the top of the paper.Shocked to see not even Arxiv will accept it. I will increase the probability if does make it onto Arxiv or if we see IH and Cherokee step up. On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread H Veeder
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Unfortunately there are some nuclear proliferation issues involved. ​In what way ?​ ​Harry​

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Foks0904 .
*the four neutron absorption remind be the 2,4 or 6 deuteron absorbed in Iwamura, as Ed Storms spotted.* *It is coherent with a symmetric reaction involving either 2/4/6 neutrons, or 2/4/6 hydrogen atoms .* Yeah absolutely. Ed is one of the few who consistently highlighted this nugget as

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This was not leaked. Essen gave a copy to someone who uploaded it with permission. (I think it was Mats Lewan.) This has been submitted to arXiv but it has been delayed for unknown reasons. Physics has fallen into a low

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: The report cites the fuel as a combination of LiAlH4 and Ni + Fe. It appears the Ni is treated with an Fe catalyst as I surmised - this is the powder I have been working with. The LiAlH4 means that Rossi is using a

[Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
In one way, this report is shaping up as an amazing piece of oversight - which Levi and the Swedes may have failed to grasp, or at least failed to fully appreciated in its ultimate significance. There could be a shadow over this story which goes back to 1989. Moreover, do we even

Re: [Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

2014-10-08 Thread Craig Haynie
On 10/08/2014 12:22 PM, Jones Beene wrote: You have to wonder - given the tiny amount of hydrogen at the start, and the isotopic analysis at the end, if hydrogen was necessary for this reaction. This looks like a lithium burner. Captain, we're going to need more dilithium crystals! Craig

RE: [Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Craig Haynie You have to wonder - given the tiny amount of hydrogen at the start, and the isotopic analysis at the end, if hydrogen was necessary for this reaction. This looks like a lithium burner. Captain, we're going to need more dilithium crystals!

Re: [Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
I have postulated for years that a alkali metal would be the secret sauce based on the operating temperature of the reactor. When the operating temperature is about 1200C, this makes lithium the best fit to vaporize at about 1330C and at lower temperatures condense into nano-particles in areas of

Re: [Vo]:Second Rossi report is here

2014-10-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/9-LuganoReportSubmit-pdf Registration required. Bleh. Registration not required: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8mt4mJOTGvBX1lIMU42UWxyeFk/view?usp=sharing

[Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is interesting, and revealing: New scientific report on the E-Cat shows excess heat and nuclear process http://matslew.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/new-scientific-report-on-the-e-cat-shows-excess-heat-and-nuclear-process/ Mats has uploaded yet another copy of the report to his website. I will

Re: [Vo]:Second Rossi report is here

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is another copy: https://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/luganoreportsubmit.pdf

RE: [Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
One more interesting thing about this report. If lithium is the active fuel, and not hydrogen, which seems to be the case, then the ash which is lithium-6 is as valuable for batteries as is the natural metal. Maybe more valuable. Thus the fuel is essentially free, since the ash can be sold for

Re: [Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
What is missing from LENR theory is how any nuclear radiation types are not detected in the Rossi reaction. I have put forward the Super-absorber theory made possible by boson condensation. The testing and analysis group are afraid to put their names onto a nuclear reaction mechanism that is

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: [JR comments: 1.5 megawatt-hours is 5040 MJ, which I believe is a new record for cold fusion. Previous records were around 50 MJ.] Correction: Roulette et al. reported 294 MJ, over 3 months, and McKubre et al. got about 100 MJ over one month in their Arata replication. There may be a

Re: [Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
I also see that the tubules on the a fraction of the micro-particles are melted by the high heat. This leads be to the conclusion that reaction is also being carried by lithium based nano-particles produced by plasma condensation. The testers are only looking at the nickel particles for isotope

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
The efficiency of uranium pellets is only about 4% because of the deterioration of the zirconium cladding that encloses the uranium. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: [JR comments: 1.5 megawatt-hours is 5040 MJ, which I believe is a new

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The efficiency of uranium pellets is only about 4% because of the deterioration of the zirconium cladding that encloses the uranium. That is true. So that means 4% of 29% of the pellet would be used up (transmuted). That's ~1%. A pellet weighs ~ 7 g total,

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
To get a valid overview of the entire transmutation process, the testers must look at a complete sample of the fuel, not just a few nickel particles. There could be other nuclear processes going on away from the nickel particles. The testers have made an assumption that the reaction must be local

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
I predict that this new type of reactor cannot be shut down and restated because a significant fraction of the nickel particles has had their tubules melted off and many nickel micro-particles are now resurfaced as relatively smooth. Furthermore, if this reactor is cooled by a liquid based

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To get a valid overview of the entire transmutation process, the testers must look at a complete sample of the fuel, not just a few nickel particles. What makes you think this was not a complete sample, or not representative? These are experts in mass

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
page 44... Figure 3. SEI showing the areas where EDS analysis where performed on the different fuel particles (a), EDS spectrum from the three different type of particles found in the fuel material; particle 1 (b), particle 2 (c) and particle 3 (d). On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I predict that this new type of reactor cannot be shut down and restated because a significant fraction of the nickel particles has had their tubules melted off and many nickel micro-particles are now resurfaced as relatively smooth. Where does it say that

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
Again, if the reaction occurred in other particles why would they not see them? They will not see them because they have not looked. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: page 44... Figure 3. SEI showing the areas where EDS analysis where performed on the

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
on page 43... particle 2 and 3 have no tubercles. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I predict that this new type of reactor cannot be shut down and restated because a significant fraction of the nickel particles

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Again, if the reaction occurred in other particles why would they not see them? They will not see them because they have not looked. Well, I doubt you know as much about mass spectroscopy as these people do. In any case, they found dramatic shifts in

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: The efficiency of uranium pellets is only about 4% because of the deterioration of the zirconium cladding that encloses the uranium. That is true. So that means 4% of 29% of the pellet would be used up (transmuted). Maybe that's wrong. This reference seems to indicate that nearly

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
I consider isotopic shits in nickel and lithium as structural damage leading the eventual fuel failure. Since the reactor looks like the nickel powder is packed in aluminum and oxygen compounds, I would expect to see transmutation of aluminum and oxygen in the vicinity of the nickel powder.

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
shits should read shifts On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I consider isotopic shits in nickel and lithium as structural damage leading the eventual fuel failure. Since the reactor looks like the nickel powder is packed in aluminum and oxygen compounds, I

RE: [Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
On the subject of energy balance and radiation Mass of Ni58 =57.935 mass of Ni62 =61.928 difference 3.993 amu Mass of neutron 1.0087 x 4 = 4.035 Mass of Li7=7.016 Mass of Li6= 6.015 difference 1.001 x 4= 4.004 The problem is that on paper - lithium cannot give up a neutron easily as there

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I consider isotopic shi[f]ts in nickel and lithium as structural damage leading the eventual fuel failure. Eventually, when? The fuel has to run out eventually. All fuel does. All reactors have a limited lifetime. Either the fuel runs out, or some other

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
If you have noticed, the pattern of transmutation has changed over the years based on how the powder is positioned in the reactor. Tight powder packing leads to more transmutation of the powder. This transmutation will eventually change nickel into some other element like titanium or iron. This

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Larry Forsley told me: The pellet is ceramic and comprised of U2O3 and other U oxides, so the proportion of uranium is less than 100%, and hence, the enrichment is likely close to 5%. Over the typical fuel cycle, 4 1/2 years, more than half of the U-235 will fission while neutron capture on U-238

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: So, for 29% of the total energy from the pellet roughly 40 g of material would be transmuted. I think. I mean 40 mg. Of uranium. I do not know how much Ni we are talking about. Perhaps, as Axil suggests, it varies with the design of the reactor. My point is, there is a lot. Nuclear

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's report on the second Rossi report

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
The energy potential in the Ni/H reactor is very large in comparisons to U235 and if the nickel powder is not destroyed. The hydrogen, aluminum, and oxygen will transmute in all sorts of ways in a long chain of energy producing transmutations over the years. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Jed

RE: [Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
It may have been noted that lithium has a heat of vaporization of about 140 kJ/mol and that the boiling point is close to the operating temp of this reactor on the inside 1350C. This seems to work out to a whopping 20 MJ/kg which is high (did I get that wrong?) Consequently a lot thermal

[Vo]:How do ya' like THAT COP?

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
p. 7 of the report: Subsequent calculation proved that increasing the input by roughly 100 watts had caused an increase of about 700 watts in power emitted. It might have worked even better. They did not push it: The speed with which the temperature had risen persuaded us to desist from any

Re: [Vo]:How do ya' like THAT COP?

2014-10-08 Thread David Roberson
I have read some of Yugo's comments on Mats blog and it amazes me that she continues to claim that the input power is likely faked by that nonsense of a connection. How could she consist in that belief when the scientists measuring the input power are so aware of that trick? The skeptics are

[Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Pomp, pomp, pomp: http://stephanpomp.blogspot.se/2014/10/the-cat-is-dead.html He apparently believes that calorimetry does not work, Prof. Stephan Boltzman are frauds, and the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed. Incorrigible is the word that comes to mind. I am not a bit surprised. I

Re: [Vo]:How do ya' like THAT COP?

2014-10-08 Thread Patrick Ellul
Hi Jed, Side-track question... what constitutes a peer-review? And does this report have one? Regards, Patrick On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: p. 7 of the report: Subsequent calculation proved that increasing the input by roughly 100 watts had caused

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread torulf.greek
Who took the fuel-ash samples, and there? I can not find a account for this. On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:57:13 -0400, Jed Rothwell wrote: Pomp, pomp, pomp: http://stephanpomp.blogspot.se/2014/10/the-cat-is-dead.html [1] He apparently believes that calorimetry does not work, Prof. Stephan

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
it seems to be as Beaudette observed with nuclear physicist. they imagine calorimetry is not science by cooking (and even cooking is serious) 2014-10-08 23:57 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Pomp, pomp, pomp: http://stephanpomp.blogspot.se/2014/10/the-cat-is-dead.html He

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Pomp makes a point though... the whole document is meaningless compared to the ash measurement. Who cares about heat / input / blah blah lbah if we're doing transumation without radiation. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: it seems to be as Beaudette

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
The simple reality is this - either Rossi has just changed reality as we know it or not. There is no longer a gray area at all. I'm betting he's a fraud, simply because the probability of him doing this is too incredible. What he's done is nothing short of miraculous. It is total inflection

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Alan Fletcher
I have to admit that it would be trivially easy for an apprentice magician to construct a container into which you insert (say) white powder as fuel and later on extract black powder as ash. But the calorimetry stands. Pomp doesn't even denigrate the calorimetry : he just ignores it Because

[Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent

2014-10-08 Thread Robert Ellefson
One observation that I'm noting in reviewing the data is the remarkably complete conversion of nickel isotopes to Ni68, (from 3.9% in the starting fuel to 98.7% in the ash) and the corresponding nearly-complete transition of lithium-6 from 8.6% fuel to 92.1% ash abundance ratios. Given that the

RE: [Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent

2014-10-08 Thread Robert Ellefson
Er, s/Ni68/Ni62/g :-) -Original Message- From: Robert Ellefson [mailto:vortex-h...@e2ke.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:02 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent One observation that I'm

Re: [Vo]:How do ya' like THAT COP?

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
At 1400C, the reactor is just shy of the melting point of Nickel. The Reactor is relying on some special structure on the surface of the Nickel to make this reaction work. The Nickle at that high temperature will likely lose the correct surface structure even if it doesn't fully liquefy. I

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
If Rossi switched out the ash, he's a fraud. End of story. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I have to admit that it would be trivially easy for an apprentice magician to construct a container into which you insert (say) white powder as fuel and later on

Re: [Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
The reactor will run for as long as the micro powder remains nickel, as long as the nickel is not Ni61, a non zero spin nucleus. I still believe that hydrogen is the fuel that is being consumed. Rossi has not yet found a way to protect his powder and lithium from destructive transmutation. On

Re: [Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent

2014-10-08 Thread Bob Higgins
There may not be any transmutation of Ni at all. Read Norman Cook's paper from ICCF-18. There could be isotope dependent depletion of Ni due to fusion-fission or just fission. This would completely change the isotope ratios with no shuttling between one Ni isotope and any other. The Ni

Re: [Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
According to Cook, Ni61 does not participate in the reaction. Therefore, if depletion of Ni is due to fusion-fission or just fission, then Ni61 would become the majority of the nickel in the ash.. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: There may not be any

RE: [Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
Is this a typo? There is no Ni68. Half life is less than 30 seconds -Original Message- From: Robert Ellefson One observation that I'm noting in reviewing the data is the remarkably complete conversion of nickel isotopes to Ni68,

RE: [Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent

2014-10-08 Thread Robert Ellefson
Yes, it was a typo, sorry. I meant Ni-62. -Bob -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent Is this a

RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
Many things do not add up here, especially the drastic changes from the original E-Cat. The more I read the more skeptical is my outlook on this. Could some clever troll have gotten hold of the manuscript and changed it just enough to make it barely believable, so long as one does not

[Vo]:The Lithium Problem

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
From the test report as follows: *The Lithium content in the fuel is found to have the natural composition, i.e. 6Li 7 % and 7Li 93 %. However at the end of the run a depletion of 7Li in the ash was revealed by both the SIMS and the ICP-MS methods. In the SIMS analysis the 7Li content was only

Re: [Vo]:X-rays, IR, RF the Rossi effect

2014-10-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Its entirely conceivable that if the nickel micro particles are spaced far enough apart, then no transmutation from nickel to copper will be seen. Personally, I haven't found transmutation from nickel to copper credible for

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
Transmutation has be seen in LENR experiments for many years and even Ed Storms says that Transmutation has nothing to do with the LENR reaction. This test result does not tell us anything new. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Many things do not add up

Re: [Vo]:The Lithium Problem

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
Because Lithium is a non zero spin nucleus, it cannot transmute. The additional Li6 seen in the ash must therefore be new lithium produced directly from hydrogen. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From the test report as follows: *The Lithium content in the

Re: [Vo]:How do ya' like THAT COP?

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jed, Side-track question... what constitutes a peer-review? We are peerless in this field. Posterity or God must judge us. And does this report have one? Seriously, not as far as I know. Peer-review is overrated. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
From the last line on page 53... Sample 2 was the fuel used to charge the E-Cat. It’s in the form of a very fine powder. Besides the analyzed elements it has been found that the fuel also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and these are not found in the ash. Does this

Re: [Vo]:X-rays, IR, RF the Rossi effect

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
From page 41 of the test document... To remove the siloxane that has diffused over the particle surface the area being analyzed is sputtered. Figure 7 show the positive mass spectrum from a particle surface sputter cleaned for 180 seconds. The analyst cleaned the micro powder before he checked

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I'm betting he's a fraud, simply because the probability of him doing this is too incredible. What he's done is nothing short of miraculous. It is more miraculous than what Fleischmann and Pons and several hundred other groups have done. Do

Re: [Vo]:Zirconia?

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
...I am torn between Axil’s posit that the hydrogen atoms form a bose condensate ... The condensate is made of bosons comprised of a tightly bound single waveform of light and electron waves of equal energy. Extreme density of these bosons provide high temperature condensation. On Wed, Oct 8,

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant that Rossi is NO more miraculous than what FP and hundreds of others have done. Only the scale is larger. The Chicago Pile 1 one-watt nuclear reactor was as momentous as the fission bomb explosion. The scale was different, but they were equally convincing. If you do not believe that, or

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Jed, it doesn't matter. If the ash is a fraud, Rossi is a fraud. Plain and simple. I'm not interesting in debating the other aspects of the experiment because of the complexities involved in calorimetry. There are no such complexities in the ash which makes the discussion very

RE: [Vo]:How do ya' like THAT COP?

2014-10-08 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez Regarding what constitutes a peer-review? We are peerless in this field. Posterity or God must judge us. That's saying a lot from a devout atheist. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks

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