From: Eric Walker
The University testing was done with X-rays ... which would serve to
reinflate the fractional species.
I have heard some proponents claim that hydrinos are the basis of dark matter.
If hydrinos can be reinflated with x-rays, this should cause observable
anomalies
In Mills' previous public demonstration of detonation of wet particles, he
showed calorimetry being done. I pointed out at the time that the
calorimetry appeared to be flawed because he failed to account for the
difference in ejecta in the actual and baseline cases. He showed by
calorimetry, a
From: Bob Higgins
What is the motivation to do this experiment?
Even though this could be a rhetorical question – the obvious answer is that
BLP has a burn-rate for operations that is very high, and they have run
through the most recent millions of investment
This is what disturbs me about Mills; Hope seems to be his most important
product. And ever more troubling, Mills reminds me very much of Joe Papp.
Joe Papp was the master of the hope game and he had a over unity device
that worked. But Joe never when through the pain of putting this engine
in
Jones:
Your step #2 involves spin coupling and associated mass loss as an energy
source not only for the deflatiom exotherm, but the simultaneous inflation and
its exotherm--I think? Is this correct?
A separate question: If the system is connected why could you not have
deflation in some H
From: Bob Cook
Your step #2 involves spin coupling and associated mass loss
as an energy source not only for the deflation exotherm, but the
simultaneous inflation and its exotherm--I think? Is this correct?
Not exactly. Imagine an oscillation in which a sphere
correction
This oscillation would be powered by excess mass of the
proton providing the spin energy to shrink the electron orbit. That is the
first half-cycle. Later, that spin energy is given up as thermal energy
immediately when the orbital re-inflates (unless
Jones--
You stste: “Yes and it is all statistical - but equalization among protons
cannot be
substantial due to the many components of the proton, besides the three
quarks – none of which, including quarks is quantized.”
I think that quarks and gluons carry spin that is quantized. Am I
Jones--
This is good theory about spin coupling to heat that I have been looking for
during the last several months as a Vort.
Is it reported in any other documentation? I wonder what Peter H would say?
Also, why can’t protons in a magnetic field act like the electron with three
From: Bob Cook
This is good theory about spin coupling to heat that I have been looking for
during the last several months as a Vort… Is it reported in any other
documentation?
No. This new slant just became apparent by reconsideration of the situation
between Mills, his lack of
*Steven states:*
*Where are you going with this statement? Are you predicting Mill's
ultimate failure to see the light? (no pun intended.) It seems to me that
what you have stated could just as easily describe what seems from my POV
to be your own modus operandi at work here.*
*I believe that
Actually, he didn't really remove the obstacle. When you go to Blacklight
Power's website you would expect the book to appear under the
Publications tab.
It doesn't.
Here's the URL for the GUTCP book download:
http://www.blacklightpower.com/theory/book/book-download/
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at
Well, time to dust off my early edition GUT/CQM hardback, which is from the
late nineties and I wonder if it is the oldest of any among active vortex
posters.
It is only about 750 pages but a small chunk of the background material was
plagiarized. A lame excuse was given for this “oversight” by
From Axel:
...
If Mills does come up with a project that does succeed in a way that
my web can’t explain, then my web may be subject to a major rethink.
But like all the others, I now have a hard time changing my mind.
I believe that you also have a web that is very hard to change
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I'm curious about one thing. What is it about Mills' orbitspheres that you
don't like. Keep in mind I don't understand the math involved.
My difficulties start with the shape. I understand an
From Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]:
Well, time to dust off my early edition GUT/CQM hardback,
which is from the late nineties and I wonder if it is the oldest of any
among active vortex posters.
Hi Jones,
My copy is copyright 1996 and
From: George Holz
I agree with all of Mills’ objections to SQM but I have my
own GUT ideas which include other reasons for sub ground states with
somewhat different energy levels and mechanisms formation. I like Mills for
the large number of good
Jones--
Thanks for those interesting observation of history. The force of not being
wrong illustrated by this history or at least an interpretation of the history
is something that should be taught in freshman physics (science) classes. It
is an explanation of the skeptopathic mind set
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The University testing was done with X-rays ... which would serve to
reinflate the fractional species.
I have heard some proponents claim that hydrinos are the basis of dark
matter. If hydrinos can be reinflated with
I have begin studding dark matter recently. It is supposed to interact
weakly with EMF or not at all, but it could interact with itself.
see this for a survey of dark matter
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Sept05/Gondolo/Gondolo2.html
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Eric Walker
Last post corrected
I have begun studying dark matter recently. It is supposed to interact
weakly with EMF or not at all, but it could interact with itself.
See the following for a survey of dark matter
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Sept05/Gondolo/Gondolo2.html
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:51 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Read the book, it's less than 1000 pages, IIRC. :-)
Oops, good news and bad news.
BN first: It's 1173 pages. Lots of piccys for you to color in.
GN: You can D/L it from Mills' web site. Or you can buy it used on
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
If I remember correctly, CQM refers to normal quantum mechanics, which is
to
be contrasted with hydrinos.
Actually, it refers to Randell's unique hybridization of S(tandard)QM
and the concept of an orbitsphere ...
From Terry:
As would we all. I fear however that subjecting photovoltaic cells to
extreme pulsed energy compared to solar constancy will shorten their
lifetime immensely. Considering the energy cost of manufacturing
these cells, they are hardly cost effective over time without
How is the delicate surface of the solar cell protected from the plasma
shock wave that is produced by the 12,000 amp arc discharge? This wave will
be traveling at half the speed of light and include heavy electrons, ions,
fragments of solid water, fragments of the various Mills solid catalysts
By the way, the reason that Papp moved on from using solid water in his
early system to the later system that used noble gas was that water was
highly corrosive on the surfaces of his cylinder. Noble gases were not as
abrasive.
Remember that the shock waves from water cavitation can completely
I agree with Steven that a damaging source of EMR can be designed around with
semi-reflecting surfaces. For example, it may be possible to design a tube of
reflectors that direct some of the radiation down the tube and release small
amounts along the cylindrical surface to avoid substantial
The first wall whether it is a reflector or a transparent pane will suffer
the same potential of erosive destruction. A powerful force field that can
divert the light speed blast wave in a nanometer might need to be developed.
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
I seems from the Papp experience that limiting O may be important as well as
limiting other corrosive atoms. This may suggest that the use of inert metals
like gold in the construction of the reactor chamber is warranted. Also
ductile materials are better in erosion environments than anything
High energy photons can distort the p/n junction faster than lower
energy photons through migration of the dopants. It is this
degradation which causes a LED to lose its intensity and is a failure
mode for transistors.
I have read about water arc explosions and they are completely reproducible.
However, does anyone have proof about such arc triggered explosions in noble
gases?
Are there any papers on this? Outside of Papp and Britt claims (patents), I
know of no hard demonstrations of this.
: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 3:49 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
If I remember correctly, CQM refers to normal quantum mechanics, which
From Axil:
*This response sounds like you are conflicted as follows:*
*You first say:*
*“I want BLP to succeed not because I'm invested in CQM” *
*Then you say:*
*If BLP succeeds it would force the scientific establishment
to look more closely at Mills controversial CQM
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
Good news for Eric: he doesn’t have to pay $789 for GUTCP. It is available
as a free download from the website, like most of Mills’ initial postings.
For the 90 journal papers a fee is charged by the journal publishers for
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Sadly, the CQM vs SQM debate, (and now possibly the LENR debate as well, if
you get your way) is degenerating into a political battle to protect
entrenched pet theories.
For me the motivation
.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:21 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
Good news for Eric: he doesn’t have to pay $789 for GUTCP. It is available as a
free download from the website, like most of Mills’ initial postings. For the
90
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
Good news for Eric: he doesn’t have to pay $789 for GUTCP. It is available
as a free download from the website, like most of Mills’ initial postings.
As I said:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg94962.html
: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:49 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
The light that Mills purports to produce is maximized at 500 nm of blue/green
light or more in the UV direction.
In the experiments on the Papp engine the Russ Gries ran, green light was seen
as an strange
, 2014 9:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
SVJ’summary of the interview is not bad at all. I caution the Vort community to
not use the “close the loop” est with regard to BLP. BLP *is not* a free energy
device. There is clearly a consumable, plain water, of which we
:* RE: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
SVJ’summary of the interview is not bad at all. I caution the Vort
community to not use the “close the loop” est with regard to BLP. BLP **is
not** a free energy device. There is clearly a consumable, plain water,
of which we have lots. The BLP SunCell gets **lots
The main reason why the Mills sun system will not work is that Mills does
not understand how important capturing the feedback current is let alone
coming up with a way to capture it.
When I worked with Russ on Papp engine replication, Russ could never
capture that important current and his COP
It seems to me that the energy output of a LENR reaction can take on many
forms simultaneously. The production of heat could be just one weak
contributor to the energy output product.
Some of these forms may be carried as pressure increase like in Papp, RF
radiation, Magnetic radiation, electric
PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
SVJ’summary of the interview is not bad at all. I caution the Vort community to
not use the “close the loop” est with regard to BLP. BLP *is not* a free energy
device. There is clearly a consumable, plain water, of which we have lots
From: Mike Carrell [mailto:mi...@medleas.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
SVJ’summary of the interview is not bad at all. I caution the Vort community
to not use the “close the loop” est with regard to BLP. BLP
Classical Quantum Mechanics.
'pencils down'.
Mike Carrell
-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 2:59 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
Can't Quite Makework
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Bob Cook frobrtc...@hotmail.com wrote
From Axil:
Let the quibbling begin...
Quibble away!
Correct theory is important in advancing the engineering and design of the
system
that underlies that theory. IMHO, the reason that Mills fails to get his
project to
100% completion is that he does not depart from his
From axil
The main reason why the Mills sun system will not work is that Mills does
not understand how important capturing the feedback current is let alone
coming up
with a way to capture it.
In my experience, dividing the bear before it has been killed is not a wise
action to
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I would like BLP to succeed. I want BLP to succeed not because I'm invested
in CQM but because I would like to pay a lot less for my electric and
heating bills.
As would we all. I fear however
*This response sounds like you are conflicted as follows:*
*You first say:*
*“I want BLP to succeed not because I'm invested in CQM” *
*Then you say:*
*If BLP succeeds it would force the scientific establishment to look more
closely at Mills controversial CQM theory.*
*If you are not
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
If I remember correctly, CQM refers to normal quantum mechanics, which is to
be contrasted with hydrinos.
Actually, it refers to Randell's unique hybridization of S(tandard)QM
and the concept of an orbitsphere: an
Randell sez:
“It won’t take decades or even years. Every major issue has broken in our
favor, said Randell.
Followed by commentary from two posters
It seems, then, that a major redesign of their system is once more
underway.
and...
LOL. Sadly this sentiment is both humorous
They say that there is nothing new under the sun. This applies to exploding
water systems. Back in the 1960’s Joe Papp used the wet chlorinated water
formula to blast a crater into the hardpan desert floor of the California
desert.
Engineering is the art of turning disadvantage to your fullest
One thing that strikes me is the apparent long term attention of Mills. He
must be pretty old. The desire to fool people as one ages declines in some
and increases in others. Mills history strikes me as the latter.(I really
only gather this from reading this Vortex blog for about 5
Earlier today, July 16, 2014, I noticed Mills posted another statement claiming
another crucial demo will likely be scheduled within another couple of months.
As of July 16 2014, over in the Yahoo Society for Classical Physics group,
subject thread rumors regarding July 21st demo Mills states:
does pull the rabbit out of the
hat.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 12:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
One thing that strikes me
The light that Mills purports to produce is maximized at 500 nm of
blue/green light or more in the UV direction.
In the experiments on the Papp engine the Russ Gries ran, green light was
seen as an strange plasma afterglow.
The solid HO2 fuel Mills is talking about is crystalized water. Papp
I hope there is something to this, but it doesn't seem very convincing yet.
I want to see how much energy they are getting out in terms of electricity
vs. how much it takes to run the welder. Let's also just see the welder
running doing some welding and how much power that generates from the PV
The feature that made the Papp engine gainful was frugal power management.
The arc activated cluster explosion produced a great deal of current that
Papp was able to capture and reuse in the next activation of the paired
cylinder. His way of doing this capture was vary convoluted and hard to
presentation. To not understand or expect this is
to show a lack of understanding of the normal course of product development.
Mike Carrell
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 1:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
One
demonstrated with smooth copper
discs, so there seems no reason for not reaching the 2,000 detonation rate.
Mike Carrell
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:44 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
...@charter.net]
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:44 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
Earlier today, July 16, 2014, I noticed Mills posted another statement
claiming another crucial demo will likely be scheduled within another
couple of months. As of July 16
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:29 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
The feature that made the Papp engine gainful was frugal power management. The
arc activated cluster explosion produced a great deal of current that Papp was
able to capture and reuse
On 07/16/2014 09:28 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
Mills does not seen to attempt to capture the substantial feedback
current. Until he does capture and reuse this feedback current,
his COP may not reach over unity let alone exceed it.
It's not plausible, at this point, that Mills doesn't
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
If BLP can close the loop, well then... maybe... just maybe something like
hydrinos do exist in this wacky universe of ours.
His closing the loop will not necessarily be evidence for the
...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:29 PM
*To:* vortex-l
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Mills' Interview
The feature that made the Papp engine gainful was frugal power management.
The arc activated cluster explosion produced a great deal of current that
Papp was able to capture and reuse
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://pesn.com/2014/07/12/9602517_Landmark-Interview_
with_Randell-Mills_Blacklight-Power/
From the PESN article above:
Randell said that the engineering firms they are consulting with say that
there are no
On 07/15/2014 11:09 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Craig Haynie
cchayniepub...@gmail.com mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
http://pesn.com/2014/07/12/9602517_Landmark-Interview_with_Randell-Mills_Blacklight-Power/
From the PESN article above:
Randell
From: Eric Walker
“It won’t take decades or even years. Every major issue has broken in our
favor, said Randell.
It seems, then, that a major redesign of their system is once more underway.
LOL. Sadly this sentiment is both humorous and accurate - backed by repeated
episodes of
“It won’t take decades or even years...
***He has started narrowing the timeline of payoff because Rossi is sucking
the air out of the room.
http://pesn.com/2014/07/12/9602517_Landmark-Interview_with_Randell-Mills_Blacklight-Power/
Craig
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