> From: "Edmund Storms"
> Cc: "Edmund Storms"
> > I've got the following "official" links to Storms' NAE
> >
> > 2012 Paper : http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEanapproach.pdf
> > Feb 2013 Kick-off post :
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg77023.html
> >
> > I have a stro
On Sat 6/8/13 Harry said: Would you agree that a violation of the 2nd law
of thermodynamics is
equivalent to violating conservation of momentum while still obeying
conservation of energy?
Harry,
I am saying there IS an energy source, That the NAE taps zerp point energy
to perform work, s
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:40 AM, francis wrote:
> On Thursday June 6th Harry said
>
> Ok, I realise why we diverge in our approaches to your model. I don't start
>
>
> with the assumption that the lattice is in a state of thermal equilibrium.
>
>
> I assume the presence of thermal f
reversed and we will someday drive hydrogen gas
forcefully through NAE to produce reactionless propulsion. Clawing our way
through the ether.
Fran
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:37 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Not
d1.swf ** **
>
> Fran
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 07, 2013 8:41 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
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> ** **
>
> On Thursday June 6th Harry
blue where the moving
plates represent different values of Casimir geometry.
http://byzipp.com/finished1.swf
Fran
From: francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
On Thursday June 6th
On Thursday June 6th Harry said
Ok, I realise why we diverge in our approaches to your model. I don't start
with the assumption that the lattice is in a state of thermal equilibrium.
I assume the presence of thermal fluxes and perhaps other energy fluxes
as well which can do small amounts of w
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>
>
>
> Ed,
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>
>>
>> Harry, you don't seem to understand the concept of work. Consider that
>> atoms in a lattice are held together by
http://help.yahoo.com/tutorials/mmail/mmail/mm_filter1.html
(although, as a new Google employee, I guess I really should be
encouraging you to switch to gmail :-)
On 6/6/2013 7:46 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Danny Ross Lunsford
mailto:antimatte...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Danny Ross Lunsford
wrote:
Is there some way to be a part of this that does not involve dozens of
> email messages per waking day to my account? Is there not some way to make
> an online forum?
>
It would be very difficult to deal with Vortex emails going to one's
und Storms wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: "Edmund Storms"
Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 7:22 PM
On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Ed,
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
On Jun
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Harry, you don't seem to understand the concept of work. Consider that
>> atoms in a lattice are held together by a force. They vibrate and this
>> vibration contains energy as the heat capacity. Is a piece of salt doing
>> work as it
On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Ed,
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Edmund Storms
wrote:
On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Ed,
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Edmund Storms
wrote:
On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:15 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Fri, Ma
I assume you hit send before you were finished. Otherwise, this makes
no sense.
Ed Storms
On Jun 6, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
From: "Edmund Storms"
What answer were you hoping for?
Ten minutes =8-(
> From: "Edmund Storms"
> What answer were you hoping for?
Ten minutes =8-(
> From: mix...@bigpond.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 2:20:29 PM
> You left out a possibility:- The gas.
I suspect it's pretty thin, relatively speaking , both as a target for futon
absorption (a technical term, laymen don't have to use it [note 1]) and heat
capacity (specific heat * mass)
What answer were you hoping for?
Ed Storms
On Jun 6, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
From: "Edmund Storms"
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:37:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Thanks. (Not necessarily the answer I was hoping for !!!)
> From: "Edmund Storms"
> Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:37:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Thanks. (Not necessarily the answer I was hoping for !!!)
In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:30:02 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
>7. Where is the thermalization?
> I think it's on the inner steel cylinder, not in the Nickel
>
> If that's so, then (based on my thermal model) the December COP=6 had an
> outside
> temperature of 500
Alan,
The Rossi "tubules" are on the 1u scale but are "bumpy" with
protrusions that must form much smaller geometry between the grains as the bulk
powder is contained..My posit for Rossi is that his NAE geometry is between
these grains and protrusions. It is a reverse of a skeletal cata
On Jun 6, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
I've been too busy with analysing the latest Rossi test to follow
this.
I've got the following "official" links to Storms' NAE
2012 Paper : http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEanapproach.pdf
Feb 2013 Kick-off post :
http://www.mail-archi
7. Where is the thermalization?
I think it's on the inner steel cylinder, not in the Nickel
If that's so, then (based on my thermal model) the December COP=6 had an
outside
temperature of 500C and a central temperature of 750C
I've been too busy with analysing the latest Rossi test to follow this.
I've got the following "official" links to Storms' NAE
2012 Paper : http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEanapproach.pdf
Feb 2013 Kick-off post :
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg77023.html
I have a stro
Ed,
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>
> On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:15 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Edmund Storms
On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Ed,
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Edmund Storms
wrote:
On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:15 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Edmund Storms
wrote:
On May 30, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 20
Ed,
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>
> On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:15 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 30, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>>
>
On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:15 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Edmund Storms
wrote:
On May 30, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms > wrote:
Harry, imagine balls held in line by springs. If the end ball is
pull away
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>
> On May 30, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>
>> Harry, imagine balls held in line by springs. If the end ball is pull
>> away with a force and let go, a resonance wave will p
On May 31, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Bob Higgins wrote:
Dear Dr. Storms,
Yours is a fascinating theory, but I don't understand the mechanism
you propose of "slowly reducing the Coulomb barrier" by photon
emissions from the nucleus.
We start with two protons each having a charge of 1. We end wit
Dear Dr. Storms,
Yours is a fascinating theory, but I don't understand the mechanism you
propose of "slowly reducing the Coulomb barrier" by photon emissions from
the nucleus.
The Coulomb barrier, as I understand it, is the proton-proton electric
field repulsion between the hydron elements of the
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 10:50 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Ed,
I still think this strange behavior you mention is in violation
of our present definition of COE.. the resonance should dampen out before doing
any useful work if powered by temperature - random m
account for it.
Fran
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 9:11 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
On May 30, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM
om.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 9:11 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
On May 30, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms
mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com>> wrote:
Harry, ima
Mark, the word Hydroton is a word I applied to the structure required
to cause fusion between hydrogen isotopes. It consists of a linear
molecule of hydrogen, deuterium or tritium nuclei held together by 2p
bonding of electrons. It can only form in a gap in a solid material
having a critica
On May 30, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms
wrote:
Harry, imagine balls held in line by springs. If the end ball is
pull away with a force and let go, a resonance wave will pass down
the line. Each ball will alternately move away a
I asked Ed to try to find another keyword for precisely that reason.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Mark Gibbs wrote:
> What is a Hydroton? I googled the term and all I could find
> were references to a clay-based plant growing medium much prized by
> marijuana growers ...
>
> [mg]
>
> On Thu
What is a Hydroton? I googled the term and all I could find were references
to a clay-based plant growing medium much prized by marijuana growers ...
[mg]
On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Harry Veeder wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms
>
> > wrote:
>
>> Harry, imagine bal
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
> Harry, imagine balls held in line by springs. If the end ball is pull away
> with a force and let go, a resonance wave will pass down the line. Each
> ball will alternately move away and then toward its neighbor. If outside
> energy is suppl
No Alan, no relationship exist between my model and the one proposed
by Peter. You need to read the two ideas more carefully. I wish a
relationship existed, but sadly it does not. The cluster Peter
proposes to form does not occur in the same place in the material as
the Hydroton, it does n
There seems to be some convergence between Ed's theory and Hagelstein's
proposal of lossy resonance as a way to get energy out of the fused
nuclei in smaller quanta.
Hagelstein also has a significant patent for a phonon laser (US7411445)
that may have some relevance to hydroton behavior.
A wor
Am I missing something
about the shape?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Mark, when the gap initially forms, nothing is present. It is a
void, a space without
gt;
>> If a small collection of atoms behaves like a superconductor then that
>> would explain why the field generated by tiny Axil antennas can become of
>> great magnitude.
>>
>> Dave
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Edmund Storms
>> To: vo
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Mark, when the gap initially forms, nothing is present. It is a
void, a space without substance, a vacuum if you wish. However, it
con
t; great magnitude.
>
> Dave
> -Original Message-----
> From: Edmund Storms
> To: vortex-l
> Cc: Edmund Storms
> Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 6:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
>
> Mark, you are describing a large container. The gap is not a large
can become of
> great magnitude.
>
> Dave
> -Original Message-
> From: Edmund Storms
> To: vortex-l
> Cc: Edmund Storms
> Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 6:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
>
> Mark, you are describing a large container. T
: Tue, May 28, 2013 6:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Mark, you are describing a large container. The gap is not a large
container. It consists of two surfaces with a gap that is on the
atomic scale.
Start by imagining what a lattice consist of. It is created by a
re
then that would
explain why the field generated by tiny Axil antennas can become of great
magnitude.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 6:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Mark, you are describing a
se.
-Mark Iverson
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Mark, when the gap initially forms, nothing is present. It is a void, a
space without substance, a va
-
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Mark, when the gap initially forms, nothing is present. It is a
void, a space without substance, a vacuum if you wish. However, it
contains strong negative
devices since a
metallic conductor surrounds the cavity. Am I missing something about the
shape?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Mark, when the gap initially forms
m.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
On May 28, 2013, at 1:58 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
Ed replied:
“Yes, the void is very different from the lattice. That is the whole
point to the idea behind the N
ent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
On May 28, 2013, at 1:58 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
Ed replied:
"Yes, the void is very different from the lattice. That is the whole point
to the idea behind th
, 2013 11:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
OK Fran, we are getting closer to a mutual understanding. Let me go
into more detail.
The gap creates a separation of charge because the electron charge
on the metal atoms on each wall
orms.
Fran
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
OK Fran, we are getting closer to a mutual understanding. Let me go into more
detail.
The gap
octrinated to believe can not
impart usable energy.. I think we have found an exception with DCE.
Fran
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Ed replied:
“Yes, the vo
to it.:-)
I hope this is clear.
-Mark
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:24 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
On May 19, 2013, at 11:55 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
To which Ed answered
e found an exception with DCE.
Fran
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Ed replied:
"Yes, the void is very different from the lattice. That is the whole point to
o:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:24 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
On May 19, 2013, at 11:55 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
To which Ed answered, mainly expressing what his view is inside this void:
"The
**
>
> -Mark
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:13 AM
> *To:* vortex-l
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
>
> ** **
>
> George H. Miley has experimentally found Rydberg matter
place?
-Mark
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:13 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
George H. Miley has experimentally found Rydberg matter in the cavities. End
of story.
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Edmund Storms
wrote
On May 19, 2013, at 11:55 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
To which Ed answered, mainly expressing what his view is inside this
void:
“The answer depends on which theory you accept. In my case, the void
consists initially of a strong negative charge created by the
electrons in the wall that a
in the condensed matter world that is
> LENR.
> ** **
> -Mark
> ** **
> *From:* Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 19, 2013 7:54 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Cc:* Edmund Storms
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness
:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 7:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Mark, I agree that we do not know all we think we know and many
rules can be violated when conditions change. Nevertheless, we do
have a collecti
I have to stop getting distracted from the main point I wanted to discuss in
this thread.
I posited the following: I would like to drill down a little more into
nothingness, and look inside a NAE.
--
Assume we start out with a chunk of solid palladium with NO internal voids
or 'c
1) what’s inside that void?
Reference concerning nano-particles:
http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2010/ARL/Pres/06aMiley-Transmutations.pdf
*Transmutation Type LENR*
* *
George H. Miley
Connection to nano-particle catalytic LENR studies
-Our work attempts to nano-m
om.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 7:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Also, I have observed that mathematicians can find a mathematical way to
explain ANYTHING - just give them a few assumptions. This means that what
we think w
rules of
plasma physics may not apply in the condensed matter world that is LENR.
-Mark
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 7:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...
Mark, I agree that we
Mark, I agree that we do not know all we think we know and many rules
can be violated when conditions change. Nevertheless, we do have a
collection of observations that show how Nature behaves. Some of these
behaviors have been described in ways we call laws because the
descriptions always
I know Ed has expressed concern, and a bit of frustration, at how some of
the Collective's discussions are too OOTB, or seemingly without much concern
for basic physics principles, for a seasoned scientist's tastes. and he
certainly has a valid point. However, many here do have a good grounding i
I know Ed has expressed concern, and a bit of frustration, at how some of
the Collective's discussions are too OOTB, or seemingly without much concern
for basic physics principles, for a seasoned scientist's tastes. and he
certainly has a valid point. However, many here do have a good grounding i
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