RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

an answer? Bob Cook : H LV Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:21 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core Q: why don't lighter elements find there way to the centre of the Earth if gravity is lowest a

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

. Thanks Russ for your continuing efforts in this area and one day I hope and expect to see them pay off. Dave -Original Message- From: Russ George To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Dec 3, 2016 11:58 am Subject: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

, 2016 8:21 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core Q: why don't lighter elements find there way to the centre of the Earth if gravity is lowest at the centre? Harry​ New study indicates Earth's

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

Q: why don't lighter elements find there way to the centre of the Earth if gravity is lowest at the centre? Harry​ New study indicates Earth's inner core was formed 1 - 1.5 billion years ago October 7, 2015 http://phys.org/news/2015-10-earth-core-billion-years.html On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:47

RE: [Vo]:RE: Brian Ahern is now on this forum

From: Bob Higgins Ø There are many ways to do this. It would be a fun experiment. Yes and the major finding which could come out of it would be extremely important - something akin to “critical mass” for nickel. There was a time when “weaponization” of LENR was thought best to be a

Re: [Vo]:RE: Brian Ahern is now on this forum

Thanks Jones, for the link. It is an interesting article. Stainless at 800C was probably not a good choice because it is a prolific proton conductor at high temperatures (though reproducing the experiment may require SS). It would probably be better to use a steel that is nearer to pure iron fro

RE: [Vo]:RE: Brian Ahern is now on this forum

For anyone not familiar with the Thermacore runaway reaction, which is many. (it was unpublished) . here is a bit more background information on the Revolution-Green website http://revolution-green.com/lenr-thermacore-inc-runaway-reaction-back-1996/ From: Brian Ahern I have experienc

[Vo]:RE: Brian Ahern is now on this forum

Brian, I have heard about that Thermacore thermal runaway experiment. Can you say what was the configuration of the reactor vessel? Was that just a short nearly spherical volume of powder, or was it configured into some other more spread-out shape? I am trying to get a feel for the heat transfe

[Vo]:RE: Brian Ahern is now on this forum

I have experience with LENR. I spent 2010-2012 replicating Yoshiaki Arata's nanopowder work under EPRI contract. My report is EPRI 1025575 dated August 2012. In 2007 I replicated Mizuno's neutron experiment with limited success. In 2008-2009 I replicated the work of Urutskiev with 50,000joule

Re: [Vo]:Re: A "eutectic mist" for maximum catalytic surface area

Can you make this calculation better A megawatt hour is 2.246942291e+28 electron volts The self sustain lasts for 100 seconds so that means 2.246942291e+26 electron volts are required. if the hydrino produces a 1000 electron volts then 2.246942291e+23 hydrogen atoms are needed to feed the plasm

[Vo]:Re: A "eutectic mist" for maximum catalytic surface area

A "eutectic mist" for maximum catalytic surface areaHello Jones I think it is necessary that the reactor is already full with hydrino`s before the system can get autocatalytic. In a normal auto engine the chance for producing hydrino`s are very slim. The voltage of the sparkplug is to high and th

[Vo]:Re: A "eutectic mist" for maximum catalytic surface area

Hello Bob Both H and O can absorb 13.6 eV during ionisation. So a single HOH molecule ( water not bound to other water molecules) can accept 40.8 eV by collision from atomic Hydrogen ( 3 x 13.6 eV). Potential energy of an atom or molecule is double the ionisation energy. So for the HOH molecule

RE: [Vo]:RE: violation of 2nd Law of Thermo possible... theoretically speaking.

:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:57 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:RE: violation of 2nd Law of Thermo possible... theoretically speaking. From: MarkI-ZeroPoint Things at the dime-box saloon seem to be a bit subdued of late. thought this might stir up some ruck

[Vo]:RE: violation of 2nd Law of Thermo possible... theoretically speaking.

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint Things at the dime-box saloon seem to be a bit subdued of late. thought this might stir up some ruckus! :-) "Researchers posit way to locally circumvent Second Law of Thermodynamics" http://phys.org/news/2016-10-posit-locally-circumvent-law-thermodynamics.htm l Mark, St

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:OT: SpaceX’s Elon Musk announces vision for colonizing Mars

Che wrote: > One more time: Capitalism has NO future in the Kosmos -- and Elon Musk is > not John Galt. > Neither does socialism, communism or any other economic system based on the exchange of human labor for goods and service. In 20 years, robots and computers will do nearly all labor, and we

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:OT: SpaceX’s Elon Musk announces vision for colonizing Mars

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 10:53 AM, H LV wrote: > I would think the international political and legal questions of such an > endeavour are even more important than the question of who will pay. > > http://spaceflightnow.com/2016/09/27/spacexs-elon-musk- > announces-vision-for-colonizing-mars/ > > H

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

3:13 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in > Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected > > From their video, it looks like they were trying to find a way to > eliminate electron recombination in the silicon l

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

: Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:13 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected >From their video, it looks like they were trying to find a way to eliminate >electron recombination in the s

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:32 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected Terry, They seem to contradict themselves: elsewhere they claim “the Efficoat technology” provides 15-20

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected It looks like an interesting technology. However, the real metric is not in panel efficiency or system efficiency, it is total$/kWh. This has to include the longevity of the panel. The

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

>From their video, it looks like they were trying to find a way to eliminate electron recombination in the silicon lattice to improve efficiency. They may be planning to do that with fields created with the pyroelectric films. Since the typical delta T from front to back in the panel is 26C, ther

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

Stephen, I’m not sure the E field is static. It could look more like electronic noise. The inventor – Kumar - also has other patent apps which indicate the way he is going. 20150108851 Photovoltaic systems with shaped high frequency electric pulses At least one photovoltaic (PV) cell com

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

Sounds sort of reasonable. But something comes to mind -- the E field they apply, as described, doesn't do any work, as far as I can tell. It /just/ biases the cell. IOW it's a static E field. In particular, since there's no path for the charge to leave the "plates" (front and back coating

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

Here is the patent application – or one of them https://www.google.com/patents/US20120216847 Abstract A method to increase the efficiency of a solar cell comprises applying one of a transparent pyroelectric film and a plurality of films in a stack on a front surface of the solar cell and

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

Terry, They seem to contradict themselves: elsewhere they claim “the Efficoat technology” provides 15-20% improvement in power production from ordinary solar panels over the course of a typical day.” This would lead one to believe that the panels are coated. If the coating is not on th

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > > This brings to mind a local company (SF Bay) with an add-on product for solar cells which they claim increases the power and efficiency. The technology uses a pyroelectric coating for the cells and a feedback mechanism. > > > > The company is

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

It looks like an interesting technology. However, the real metric is not in panel efficiency or system efficiency, it is total$/kWh. This has to include the longevity of the panel. The total cost/kWh over the life of the panel is its installed cost (+maintenance costs) amortized over the life of

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

This brings to mind a local company (SF Bay) with an add-on product for solar cells which they claim increases the power and efficiency. The technology uses a pyroelectric coating for the cells and a feedback mechanism. The company is UltraSolar. It has been mentioned before here, but it may

RE: [Vo]:RE: Dwarfs, Roasters and Holmlid

...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:05 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:RE: Dwarfs, Roasters and Holmlid In the category of "astrophysical phenomenon which may involve LERN" consider the recent announcement of x-rays detected from Pluto. All of the proposed explanations f

[Vo]:RE: Dwarfs, Roasters and Holmlid

In the category of "astrophysical phenomenon which may involve LERN" consider the recent announcement of x-rays detected from Pluto. All of the proposed explanations for these x-rays are pretty lame, so we have no regrets about adding another one which is LERN related. Main story: "The Puzzling De

Re: [Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

her and resist any change in > acceleration……like gravity :_) > > > > *From:* Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:44 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum > co

RE: [Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

oppose each other and resist any change in acceleration……like gravity :_) From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:44 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling Hmmm. I wonder if filling the

[Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

Hmmm. I wonder if filling the EMdrive with hydrogen would affect the thrust? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Article: Ocean Waves Could Supply the World’s Power and Drinking Water

And probably help with coastal erosion (taking away some of the energy of the waves before they heat the shore) that is a big problem for the Gulf Coast states. On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jack Cole wrote: > >> A new kind of renewable energy technology in use off Aus

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Article: Ocean Waves Could Supply the World’s Power and Drinking Water

Jack Cole wrote: > A new kind of renewable energy technology in use off Australia’s coast > converts the relentless movement of the ocean’s waves into a virtually > endless supply of electricity. > The Gulf Stream off of the U.S. cost would be another tremendous source of energy. I recall it has

Re: [Vo]:Re: Where did the heat go?

A.ashfield, first of all notice you are a solitary voice in defending Rossi. You are really really hard headed. Not sure why you don't understand that Rossi=scammer is the simplest explanation and this hypothesis (almost a theory now) can explain all the pieces of the puzzle and put them together a

[Vo]:Re: Where did the heat go?

A test was performed by Prof Levi not using steam but the critics didn't believe that either. Rossi was right when he forecast only sale of commercial working units would end the doubts. "Rossi and Levi have since conducted a longer test of the ECat, at the University of Bologna on

[Vo]:Re: Where did the heat go?

I just looked on vortex and saw that the Rossi story isnt over yet. I always wondered from the start why Rossi didnt increase the flowrate of the water in the Ecat in order to end all discussions about the reality of the effect. Why introduce steam at all when you can easily use heated water

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

Don't think serial numbers will be of much use in this area. They're valuable in tracing guns and cars because the sale of both those items is pretty heavily controlled, and so there's an actual record of what happened to, say, item number 2398623. But toys aren't tracked at all, and are unli

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

Whether one worries about the government or trusts it's every decision, it will surely be of general interest to have a sense of how governments will respond when there is a string of assassinations that appear to go back to cheap drones. My guess is that the fact that there is not much that can b

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

You need to worry about the government. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:10 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > > What parts? small electric motors and batteries? RC is a do it yourself >> operation now, or just take parts from toys. >> > > Good question. Not

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:10 PM, a.ashfield wrote: What parts? small electric motors and batteries? RC is a do it yourself > operation now, or just take parts from toys. > Good question. Not sure. Perhaps serial numbers on the types of RC parts that go into toys. Clearly having traceable seria

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

What parts? small electric motors and batteries? RC is a do it yourself operation now, or just take parts from toys. On 7/8/2016 4:56 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: I worry about non-military and non-police organ

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

Jed, "I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on robots to kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to stop them." I am more worried about governments having them. They would be more lethal and more numerous. On 7/8/2016 4:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfi

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

you mean, drones? we already have them. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > a.ashfield wrote: > > >> I would be surprised if the military are not working on robots designed >> to kill people. >> > > They would be remiss if they were not working on this. > > In a sense, every

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

> *Sent:* Friday, July 8, 2016 1:56 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’ > > > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: > > > > I worry about non-military and non-police organizations wo

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

What a banal discussion, a cheap drone off of E-Bay with a small Claymore is more than sufficient technology. From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 1:56 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’ On

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on robots > to kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to stop them. > If assassinations using cheaply-made drones without traceable parts become a recurring issue, I'm

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

a.ashfield wrote: > I would be surprised if the military are not working on robots designed to > kill people. > They would be remiss if they were not working on this. In a sense, every weapon that kills people at distance is a sort of robot, starting with arrows, continuing up to artillery and

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Good question. Andrea Rossi May 22, 2016 at 4:31 PM Oystein Lande: It’s ok, thanks for your comprehension. The circuit was complex, but yes, the steam was superheated. Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea Rossi May 22, 2016 at 1:06 PM Oystein Lande: Let me repeat another time: I cannot disclose even par

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

No Jed, My motto is ,there is always two possibilities. I an sure you have found the only thing that contradict that statment. You may have inside information but you have claim for having THE answer. On May 21, 2016 13:32, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: H LV wrote: 4. Apply some common sense. Ask yours

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

H LV wrote: 4. Apply some common sense. Ask yourself: what other reason would Rossi >> have to refuse admittance, other than the fact that there is no 1 MW >> machine, and no ventilation system or other means of getting rid of the >> waste heat? Can you propose ANY reason why an honest person wou

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

​I wrote: > ​It seems to me the doctrine of ​u > nconscionability > ​could be used by IH in their defense although it would be inconsistent > with their claim of having performed due diligence. > > ​Actually, it says only a judge can rule on unconscionability and since the trial (I think) is by j

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

​It seems to me the doctrine of ​u nconscionability ​could be used by IH in their defense although it would be inconsistent with their claim of having performed due diligence. ​ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability​ ​<< Unconscionability ​ ​ (sometimes known as unconscionable dealing

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > 4. Apply some common sense. Ask yourself: what other reason would Rossi > have to refuse admittance, other than the fact that there is no 1 MW > machine, and no ventilation system or other means of getting rid of the > waste heat? Can yo

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Jed. "I have no knowledge of this alleged agreement, but I know that Rossi constantly lies about all kinds of things, including me. However, as I pointed out above, even if there were such an agreement, any sensible person would agree to modify it when the I.H. expert insisted he needed access

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

a.ashfield wrote: > AA. Jed, you have made much of Rossi's refusal to allow IH to visit the > customer's plant. Now that statement looks very misleading unless you have > some evidence that Rossi lied about it being IH's written agreement. > I have no knowledge of this alleged agreement, but

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Jed. "His refusal to allow access to the customer site tells you he is running a scam." "Their statement about blocking the door to the customer convinces me. " AA. Jed, you have made much of Rossi's refusal to allow IH to visit the customer's plant. Now that statement looks very misleading

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Mats Lewan is quoted: > << > ​...​ > I have been in contact with people with insight into the MW report, that > hopefully will get public this summer as part of the lawsuit, and they told > me that based on the contents, the only way for IH to claim a COP about 1 > (that no heat was produced—COP,

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Axil Axil wrote: The trail will cut through the FUD, > You mean the trial. Rossi has already cut through the FUD in the interview. His numbers tell you there is no excess heat. His refusal to allow access to the customer site tells you he is running a scam. Rossi has given you proof he is wro

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

The trail will cut through the FUD, On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 11:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > a.ashfield wrote: > > Jed "As I said, there is clear evidence of that: Rossi refused to let >> anyone see the customer site. You have that from Rossi himself." >> >> AA. It seems this was the agreement

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

a.ashfield wrote: Jed "As I said, there is clear evidence of that: Rossi refused to let > anyone see the customer site. You have that from Rossi himself." > > AA. It seems this was the agreement written by IH before the test began. > 1. Rossi himself in the interview said that the I.H. expert i

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Jed "As I said, there is clear evidence of that: Rossi refused to let anyone see the customer site. You have that from Rossi himself." AA. It seems this was the agreement written by IH before the test began. 1. Sebastian May 20, 2016 at 4:50 PM

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Lennart Thornros wrote: > >> No Jed I do not know the results. >> > The results are quoted by Rossi right here in the interview! What do you > mean you do not know them? You can't read? > > Daniel Rocha did the analysis of the numbers from t

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

a.ashfield wrote: > You still do not give actual figures nor cover the unknowns. > Rossi gave the figures, in the interview with Lewan. If you don't believe him, you don't believe me, and you don't believe I.H. . . . Who *do* you believe? As I said, I am not free to give the details, but I and

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Jed, You still do not give actual figures nor cover the unknowns. I think it better to wait before coming to a conclusion, but you have already made your bed. ff the output really was zero you are saying Rossi, his team, Penon and the customer have all engaged in fraud.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

a.ashfield wrote: AA. That is still not enough. What was the actual temperature (just over > 100C doesn't hack it), what was the pressure, was there a steam trap or > other device to take out the condensate? > I can only say that the answers prove there cannot possibly be 1 MW. Rossi's data an

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Jed. "The results are quoted by Rossi right here in the interview! What do you mean you do not know them? You can't read? Daniel Rocha did the analysis of the numbers from the interview. He showed the temperature is just above 100°C. The data sample provided by Rossi to Lewan, to me and to ot

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Mats does know how to do calorimeter calculations. He is an applied physicist, that should be imprinted on his mind. I think that it is highly unlikely that he did a mistake in calculation. It's much more likely that he is just lying or that he has a completely different set of data.It is possible

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Lennart Thornros wrote: > No Jed I do not know the results. > The results are quoted by Rossi right here in the interview! What do you mean you do not know them? You can't read? Daniel Rocha did the analysis of the numbers from the interview. He showed the temperature is just above 100°C. The da

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

No Jed I do not know the results. I know not to spout firm controversial judgment. the without support. I am sure you know. I am less sure of you judgment, based on your vague bak up of your statements On May 20, 2016 17:29, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > Lennart Thornros wrote: > >> Jed, if I had not

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

a.ashfield wrote: > I have not seen any convincing proof from you either. > It is RIGHT THERE in the statements Rossi made in the interview! I don't need to give you anything. Do the numbers. The temperature is just at boiling. There is no steam. He himself is bragging that that he blocked the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Lennart Thornros wrote: > Jed, if I had nothing I should say nothing. > Vague data and very mean conclusion. > There is nothing vague about it! Rossi's own numbers show the temperature of the fluid is just above 100°C. That is his own data, in the Lewan interview. What more can you ask for? He di

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Jed, if I had nothing I should say nothing. Vague data and very mean conclusion. There is no win in that behavior regardless of if you are right or wrong. Just reflects back on you. On May 20, 2016 16:45, "a.ashfield" wrote: > Jed, > I have not seen any convincing proof from you either. > “That

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Jed, I have not seen any convincing proof from you either. “That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Lennart Thornros wrote: > But Jed, if you have the data why do you advice me to ask Rossi instead of > just sending them. > Because I am not free to share everything yet, obviously. You don't need anything more from me. Look at the numbers from Rossi and the analysis from Daniel Rocha. Assume th

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

But Jed, if you have the data why do you advice me to ask Rossi instead of just sending them. On May 20, 2016 15:16, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > Lennart Thornros wrote: > >> Show me and the all Vortex and we might just agree. >> > Show you what? You don't believe what Rossi said to Lewan? He said th

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Lennart Thornros wrote: > Show me and the all Vortex and we might just agree. > Show you what? You don't believe what Rossi said to Lewan? He said that the I.H. expert insisted, but he did not allow it. From that alone it is clear he is running a scam. You don't even believe the truth when Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Show me and the all Vortex and we might just agree. Just sitting there telling a bunch of smart people how it is makes no sense. Show it. On May 20, 2016 14:34, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > Lennart Thornros wrote: > > Jed, just one reason one proof is more reliable than another. >> Because you believ

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Lennart Thornros wrote: Jed, just one reason one proof is more reliable than another. > Because you believe? > No, because the data shows it. > If IH is in control they would come free . . . > I.H. is not in control. As Rossi said in the Lewan interview, the I.H. expert insisted he must see the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Jed, just one reason one proof is more reliable than another. Because you believe? If IH is in control they would come free and not gossip their findings. Tell me one reason they should not. Do not say lawsuit as it is on the contrary if they have solid ground. On May 20, 2016 13:53, "Jed Rothwell"

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Lennart Thornros wrote: No, it is not real proof, but it is far better reasoning than IH reason to > not pay only has one explanation ; the ecat does notwork. > Perhaps I.H. has many reasons, but the the reason they gave is that the e- cat does not work. There is no question this is true. The nu

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

He would have to live in a place where he would not be extradited and make sure he can use the money. So, he'd probably have to run away carrying some kind precious metal, to make sure he wouldn't have problems with a closed bank account. 2016-05-20 12:24 GMT-03:00 Lennart Thornros : > why does h

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Yes, Bob I think business climate is important. I have not been so impressed by Swedish business climate in the past, but it has some advantages to the US systems particularly the government and the universities are only part of the equation. The Royal academy of science and similar organization ha

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Bob Cook wrote: > As he mentioned on his blog several times, he was preparing numerous > patents for something—the Quark X IMHO. When this came out IH got upset I > would imagine. They decided that they would not pay the extra $89M for > only the E-Cat IP license. And that is where it stands

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PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent Hi Bob, As I reread the relevant section of the license agreement, I am startled by how broad the language is. It covers the existing IP as well as any derivative works and future inventions. It is one

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Daniel Rocha wrote: What I had in mind that, since this is a close loop, nearly at 100C, it > might become a self regulating mechanism, pressure rises, less steam is > formed, pressure decreases, more steam is formed, pressure rises, and so on. > Sure. That sounds plausible. Add to that, if th

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And it keeps the transfered energy mroe ore less constant. Water has a lower speed in tubes, so more heat exchanging surfce. 2016-05-20 10:59 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > It kind of eases explosion issues if some reactors have run away reactions. > > 2016-05-20 10:57 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > >> W

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It kind of eases explosion issues if some reactors have run away reactions. 2016-05-20 10:57 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > What I had in mind that, since this is a close loop, nearly at 100C, it > might become a self regulating mechanism, pressure rises, less steam is > formed, pressure decreases,

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What I had in mind that, since this is a close loop, nearly at 100C, it might become a self regulating mechanism, pressure rises, less steam is formed, pressure decreases, more steam is formed, pressure rises, and so on.

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Daniel Rocha pointed out something important: > So, we have that an amazing coincidence 1MW (~70kW + ~930) is nearly > *exactly* what is needed to vaporize the flux in the circuit. . . . > Or, if the temperatures are slightly overestimated, or there is a bit more pressure, it is not enough to v

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I think he was careful not to let the > scope of the agreement extend to the Quark X technology, which he knew was > around the corner and would make the E-Cat and Hot Cat inventions less > important. > > Bob Cook > > *From:* Eric Walker > *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:17

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less important. Bob Cook From: Eric Walker Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent Lennart, I said that with more confidence than is warranted. I am not a lawyer, so I do not know how to interpret

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From: Daniel Rocha I think it covered the hot cats. The cold cat is way too weird. Generally cold fusion happens with high temperatures, at least microscopically. For example, the working function of a metal is 4eV. So, when you do electrolysis, you have at at least at tiny places the equiva

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Lennart, I said that with more confidence than is warranted. I am not a lawyer, so I do not know how to interpret a license agreement, how the court will interpret this particular agreement, or what IH and Rossi should have put in it with the benefit of hindsight. But I suggest to anyone who is

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Eric , I agree with your evaluation of the contract. However, there is one of the issues I do not understand about IH's handling. Why did they not specify the details of how the transfer should be done. I would in their shoes. Maybe I just have been around for too long:) IMHO that is a major flaw i

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I think it covered the hot cats. The cold cat is way too weird. Generally cold fusion happens with high temperatures, at least microscopically. For example, the working function of a metal is 4eV. So, when you do electrolysis, you have at at least at tiny places the equivalent of 40,000 K. Though,

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On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Bob Cook wrote: The Hot Cat is a different invention and its operation was not covered in > the IP transferred by the IP of the agreement IMHO. > I read the license agreement quite differently. It had language pertaining to all future improvements. The languag

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The only way to steal IP from a patent (other than producing and selling in secret) is to make changes, possibly ones that give you a superior technology that is not protected by their patent that you then patent. ' Patents are about giving IP freely, but protecting the rights. Thinking about it,

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Bob Cook wrote: It would seem the only PHOSITA that was required by the agreement was for > the low temperature E-Cat. Rossi has indicated he taught the IH engineers > what was necessary to operate the E-Cat, probably up to a COP of 6. That > is all the patent identified. > I did not realize

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