Re: [Vo]:Meteorite in NW Louisiana
Sounds relatively harmless to me...I am worried about some of that dark
stuff orbiting into a nuclear spent fuel pool
The bayou corrne sinkhole/seismic has stuff bubbling up 50 miles away.
Many people will probably never be let back in their homes.
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012, David Roberson wrote:
Black powder? I melted down my 6 pounder a long time ago when smokeless
came on line.
Dave
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
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Looks like it might have been fairly significant:
http://www.ksla.com/story/19828119/authorities-investigate-loud-boom
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/
A significant underground black powder bunker:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/military-explosion-shakes-louisiana-article-1.1184633
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
JoJo, I like it. On Wednesday, October 3, 2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: So, let me get this straight. So, Bill Gates quits his schooling to start Microsoft. Invested his savings into the venture. Worked hard day and night to perfect his software. Works long days to market his software. Used his skill and charisma to win an account with IBM, gets lucky and makes a Billion. But it did not stopped there. He worked long hours at Microsoft. Poured his heart out. Exhausted every skill. Worked very hard to build a credible software company, outcompeting every other competitor. Now, he is harvesting the fruits of his labor, and some idiot comes along and says he is not working hard, and wants to redistribute his money hard earned thru charisma, luck and hard work. Yeah, that's right, Bill Gates DID NOT work hard for his money. OK That's why I despise socialists and communists. They just want to steal the fruits of your labor. It's a retrograde and thieving philosophy hatched out of the minds of lazy bums. Jojo - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized How does one measure hard work? How much harder does Bill Gates work in comparison to someone who works two jobs at minimum wage? Do you seriously he imagine he works 100 times harder if his income is 100 times greater? Do you believe a man with backhoe works 100 times harder than a man with shovel? Harry On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: This idea that poverty is the root cause of criminality is at best naive and at worst moronic. This can only come from the liberal minds of socialistic/communistic people who think that Income Redistribution is the panacea for all societal ills. My friend, stealing from people who work hard for their income and redistribute it to lazy bums will not cure sociatal ills. You are smarter than to believe in that solution. Let's take a real life example. The United States has more felons and criminals on a per capita basis than any other country in the world, including such 4th world countries like the Philippines who are poverty stricken to the core. The United States is flushed in food and resources and conveniences, and yet manage to produce more criminals and felons than any other country. Please, I would like to hear your explanation why the US has more criminals than the Philippines (on a per capita basis). Jojo PS. The root cause of crime is not poverty. but rather the inherent sin and rebellion in the hearts of a glutonous, rebellious and lazy society. - Original Message - From: Jouni Valkonen To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized I would think that only way to combat this problem is to eliminate poverty from the society. About 95% of the criminality is due to unjust distribution of wealth. This is not that individual humans would resort into criminality if they fail to find job due to high unemployment rates, but because children are crown in the conditions where no children should be allowed to live. Best way to eliminate poverty is to set zero income level for each individuals into 1000-2000 dollars per month. This can be done quite easily by distributing income more justly. When there is no scarcity of the basic needs, there won't be breeding grounds for violent gangs and violent larger scale religions, because every child will get a proper and free education.
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Good stuff, couple of comments. I think Papp used his surrounding coil to help remove the charged particles to prevent the buildup he is seeing. Are you sure those are only electrons creating the blue aurora? Many types of cosmic charged particles should do that. http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Faint-Blue-Flashes-Solve-Cosmic-Puzzle-2.jpg/ Russ should be doing everything he can to protect himself from potential ionizing radiation. Including taking Melatonin, which is normally produced in the Pineal gland and can help protect one from the harmful effects. On Monday, October 15, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: One interesting observation that has come out of Russ’s experimentation so far is that a large high energy electron charge persists for a long time after an initiating high powered instantaneous spark discharge occurs. Russ has seen charge ionization last for a very long time. The signs that this large high energy charge accumulation is occurring is threefold as follows: First, the green afterglow of a very low level of air contamination persists for a number of frames as seen in Russ’s camera. This green oxygen based aurora discharge is caused by ionization of very low pressure air that Russ’s vacuum pump cannot completely remove. Second, there exists a strong feedback current that is produced after the piston jumps. This current flows back through Russ’s spark electrodes and can jump an air gap to blow out his high current diodes. Third, Russ says that he is able to fire a spark twice in a row due to the residual ionization that remains in the cylinder, but he cannot fire the spark continually since the ionization in the spark gap fades with time. Russ said, “I just like how it lasts for a while.. That's the interesting part. The reason I say that is If the gasses stay ionized for a period of time. This means in an Engine application the high voltage may be able to keep it going and I won't need a strong discharge to kick start it The reason I say this is I hit the button twice and it had a nice discharge with less cap discharge power...” In addition for those interested in LENR, since accumulation of high energy long duration electric charge is an important causative theory in LENR, this research into the mechanisms of the Papp engine may be applicable in explaining LENR causation especially with regards to the workings of the DGT spark initiation mechanism and the plasmatron.. A theory that might explain how this excess high energy electron charge forms is as follows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_oscillation Plasma oscillations, also known as Langmuir waves (after Irving Langmuir), are rapid oscillations of the electron density in conducting media such as plasmas or metals. The oscillations can be described as instability in the dielectric function of a free electron gas. The frequency that the electron cloud osculates at only depends weakly on the wavelength. The quasiparticle resulting from the quantization of these oscillations is the plasmon. Consider neutral plasma, consisting of a collection of an equal number of positively charged ions and paired negatively charged electrons. If one displaces by a tiny amount all of the electrons with respect to the ions, the Coulomb force pulls back, acting as a restoring force. Therefore, the Coulomb force sets up oscillating electron waves. These electron waves will have a “plasma frequency” proportional to the density of electrons per unit volume. A dense cloud of electrons will oscillate strongly at a high plasma frequency. If the gas is dense and heavy, the free electrons will be some low fraction of the neutral atoms present. The intact electron shells of the neutral atoms will shield the electrons from their associated ions, and the electrons will continue to be shielded from their ions and be continually repelled off the neutral atoms. The electron cloud oscillations will also repel the free atoms on the surface of the piston head and cause it to move under electrostatic pressure. High gas pressure and/or the presence of heavy gas molecules (xenon, neon, etc) will increase the force of the plasma oscillations which will produce an increased electrostatic repulsive force. In more detail, an atom with a large number of electrons in orbit around its nucleus like xenon will strongly shield and repel a high energy free electron increasing the plasma oscillation. Also, such heavy neutral atoms/molecules/clusters will have a far longer repulsive Coulomb force range than will lighter atoms. Because of the Pauli Exclusion Principle as well as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle , the individual electrons in the oscillating cloud will become degenerate (high energy) becoming more and more energetic as the cloud grows bigger. This will tend to keep the electrons from getting back together with their associated ions because of a quantum orbital energy mismatch.
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Melatonin Research http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15485549 It is pretty well understood that dark matter and energy are striking earth constantly in the form of Neutrinos and probably WIMPS - they are still looking for them all pelting us during solar storms. In My research, I believe have located where the LARGE WIMP particles are hiding, they are leaving a seismic, magnetic and acoustic ultra low frequency pulse as they orbit. I sent a copy of my latest Kepler Orbit WIMP Model to NASA. Now do you guys want to hear a super strange thing? No? I am going to tell you anyway... My research is also telling me that most crop circles are probably NOT created by drunken englishmen and are actually produced from this dark energy striking earth. The radiation signature on the stalk matches. In 2011 a crop circle popped up showing the chemical structure ofMelatonin. http://www.in5d.com/melatonin-the-pineal-gland-your-3rd-eye-and-crop-circles.html I think the ULF radiation from the dark energy is probably one of the causes of cancer in humans. I have also been analyzing some of the other circles and some are matching my model of large WIMPS in a decaying orbit into and through the earth. I believe the circles are telling us when this is happening... I am not sh*^*ing you. I didn't even believe in crop circles (until the last month or so). I am having a blog explosion in activity right now (dark energy) Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Good stuff, couple of comments. I think Papp used his surrounding coil to help remove the charged particles to prevent the buildup he is seeing. Are you sure those are only electrons creating the blue aurora? Many types of cosmic charged particles should do that. http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Faint-Blue-Flashes-Solve-Cosmic-Puzzle-2.jpg/ Russ should be doing everything he can to protect himself from potential ionizing radiation. Including taking Melatonin, which is normally produced in the Pineal gland and can help protect one from the harmful effects. On Monday, October 15, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: One interesting observation that has come out of Russ’s experimentation so far is that a large high energy electron charge persists for a long time after an initiating high powered instantaneous spark discharge occurs. Russ has seen charge ionization last for a very long time. The signs that this large high energy charge accumulation is occurring is threefold as follows: First, the green afterglow of a very low level of air contamination persists for a number of frames as seen in Russ’s camera. This green oxygen based aurora discharge is caused by ionization of very low pressure air that Russ’s vacuum pump cannot completely remove. Second, there exists a strong feedback current that is produced after the piston jumps. This current flows back through Russ’s spark electrodes and can jump an air gap to blow out his high current diodes. Third, Russ says that he is able to fire a spark twice in a row due to the residual ionization that remains in the cylinder, but he cannot fire the spark continually since the ionization in the spark gap fades with time. Russ said, “I just like how it lasts for a while.. That's the interesting part. The reason I say that is If the gasses stay ionized for a period of time. This means in an Engine application the high voltage may be able to keep it going and I won't need a strong discharge to kick start it The reason I say this is I hit the button twice and it had a nice discharge with less cap discharge power...” In addition for those interested in LENR, since accumulation of high energy long duration electric charge is an important causative theory in LENR, this research into the mechanisms of the Papp engine may be applicable in explaining LENR causation especially with regards to the workings of the DGT spark initiation mechanism and the plasmatron.. A theory that might explain how this excess high energy electron charge forms is as follows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_oscillation Plasma oscillations, also known as Langmuir waves (after Irving Langmuir), are rapid oscillations of the electron density in conducting media such as plasmas or metals. The oscillations can be described as instability in the dielectric function of a free electron gas. The frequency that the electron cloud osculates at only depends weakly on the wavelength. The quasiparticle resulting from the quantization of these oscillations is the plasmon. Consider neutral plasma, consisting of a collection of an equal number of positively charged ions and paired negatively charged electrons. If one displaces by a tiny amount all of the electrons with respect to the ions, the Coulomb force pulls back, acting as a restoring force. Therefore, the Coulomb force sets up oscillating electron waves. These electron
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
5 Mg dosage works best. Why would some dumbass draw a Melatonin molecule in a field? I guess I could be boiling quarters or popping air with champion spark plugs in my garage... Does everybody realize how weird we all sound? FYI, update on my Hurricane prediction from 9/25: The Good: Some of you might remember I predicted on 9/25 a Hurricane (Nadine) to strike where the 600 earthquake swarm was hitting just NorthEast of San Juan Puerto Rico. On Saturday 10/13 @ 11:00 AM, Tropical Storm Rafael(just shy of hurricane wind speed) hit that EXACT spot. If my theory is correct I can predict the primary destination of large low pressure systems approx 6-8 weeks ahead of time... I need a ULF signature of both the seismic and low pressure system to be sure. Anybody have a drone with a Magnetometer I can rent? I also need to put one near an actively growing sinkhole or seismic swarm with ULF signature to verify a WIMP is racing through. The Bad: I predicted it would be Hurricane Nadine, which was the only low pressure system on the radar at the time. I was a couple weeks too early. Which makes sense now because it took Hurricane Isaac almost two months to make it to the area of the ULF seismic signals (sinkhole in Bayou Corne, LA) My theory predicts a massive dark matter WIMP particle, possibly weighing in the neighborhood of 1x10E15 kg was orbiting in the air between the eye of the low pressure system and the earthquake storm. On early Saturday morning a 2 engine airplane was flying across the path of the particle I predicted and broke up in the ocean. This was before the storm arrived. http://virginislandsdailynews.com/news/air-and-sea-search-underway-1.1388292 If I am right my particle has Petajoules+ of energy available and I will put that up against anybody's LENR device... Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:37 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: While it certainly makes sense that dark matter melatonin tablets would carve out crop circles in the shape of their constituent molecules, this only opens up even more enigmatic questions such as: Do the dark matter melatonin pills come in 3mg or 10mg? On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Melatonin Research http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15485549 It is pretty well understood that dark matter and energy are striking earth constantly in the form of Neutrinos and probably WIMPS - they are still looking for them all pelting us during solar storms. In My research, I believe have located where the LARGE WIMP particles are hiding, they are leaving a seismic, magnetic and acoustic ultra low frequency pulse as they orbit. I sent a copy of my latest Kepler Orbit WIMP Model to NASA. Now do you guys want to hear a super strange thing? No? I am going to tell you anyway... My research is also telling me that most crop circles are probably NOT created by drunken englishmen and are actually produced from this dark energy striking earth. The radiation signature on the stalk matches. In 2011 a crop circle popped up showing the chemical structure ofMelatonin. http://www.in5d.com/melatonin-the-pineal-gland-your-3rd-eye-and-crop-circles.html I think the ULF radiation from the dark energy is probably one of the causes of cancer in humans. I have also been analyzing some of the other circles and some are matching my model of large WIMPS in a decaying orbit into and through the earth. I believe the circles are telling us when this is happening... I am not sh*^*ing you. I didn't even believe in crop circles (until the last month or so). I am having a blog explosion in activity right now (dark energy) Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote: Good stuff, couple of comments. I think Papp used his surrounding coil to help remove the charged particles to prevent the buildup he is seeing. Are you sure those are only electrons creating the blue aurora? Many types of cosmic charged particles should do that. http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Faint-Blue-Flashes-Solve-Cosmic-Puzzle-2.jpg/ Russ should be doing everything he can to protect himself from potential ionizing radiation. Including taking Melatonin, which is normally produced in the Pineal gland and can help protect one from the harmful effects. On Monday, October 15, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: One interesting observation that has come out of Russ’s experimentation so far is that a large high energy electron charge persists for a long time after an initiating high powered instantaneous spark discharge occurs. Russ has seen charge ionization last for a very long time. The signs that this large high energy charge accumulation is occurring is threefold as follows: First, the green afterglow of a very low level of air contamination persists for a number of frames as seen in Russ’s camera
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
I agree. I think it will alter any material on earth it comes into contact
with over a period of time. Will need disposable parts...
On Friday, October 12, 2012, Axil Axil wrote:
*Russ’s popper experimentation has shown some useful engineering details
regarding systems that use arching in a hydrogen atmosphere.*
* *
*The popper will become contaminated with tungsten powder after a
relatively small number of arc discharges are done by Thoriated Tungsten
Electrodes at high pulsed voltage.*
* *
*One theory about the cause of this tungsten erosion is that very high
temperatures produced on the surface of the tungsten electrode vaporize the
metal.*
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=2cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CDwQFjABurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tandfonline.com%2Fdoi%2Fabs%2F10.1080%2F09507119209548203ei=NWZ4UP_wI4_h0wHv7ICYBAusg=AFQjCNFpzc-m6JddiXhQuTpwzh7UcZ7tPAsig2=XNBN7NejJpiSQjFHs65oIg
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*But Russ’s experiments speak against this theory because no erosion of
the tungsten electrodes occurs when the arc happens in a helium envelope.*
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*There must be some other mechanism going on where hydrogen blows off or
chemically alters the tungsten during electrode arcing.*
**
*This testing has value for other like systems.*
* *
*In energy systems like those being developed by DGT, this electrode
contamination could be an issue in regards to the life of spark plugs
running in hydrogen over a long period of time.*
* *
*First the spark plugs will have a greatly reduced service life, and
second, the electrode metal will contaminate the catalytic processes inside
the reactor as more and more erosion occurs. *
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*Cheers:Axil*
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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:46 AM, ecat builder
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Hi Vortex,
Some updates on Papp development.. Which most of you know is a noble gas
that is charged (by RF/spark) and drives a piston with an unexplained (?)
force. Harvesting the force and residual energy to produce overunity power
remains to be seen.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:Plasma_Energy_Controls_Plasma_Expansion_Motor
An open source Papp Engine based on Bob's design is being built by a 26
yr old whiz named Russ.
He has made great progress in just a few weeks-- a cylinder based on
Bob's test unit, spark generator, gas system, and more.
I'm sure he'll be looking for ideas on how to mix and test noble gas
mixtures.
http://rwgresearch.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/rwg42985?feature=g-user-u
http://www.open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=659
Bob is chiming in with feedback, which is great to see. The forum is at
12 pages and is filled with interesting tidbits.
Here is a (self-taught?) Dannel Roberts and his visit to Bob's shop.
Rohner-Roberts Video (The Noble Gas
Engine)http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=_zWJNyoFgJM
Starting at 22:40 is Robert's theory of how the Papp engine creates a
bang...
Chuck (a LENR replicator) received his Popper Kit from John. It contains
15 pages of design/build notes and has a signal generator to drive 2
included spark coils. Popper control
demohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lFt_q69dxkfeature=plcp
Bob Rohner has also produced a few new movies, one warning of the
potential dangers of building a popper.. another showing the system running
without a coil, dispelling the thought that the coil could be the source of
the force, showing that compressed air is not used.
http://www.rohnermachine.com/pagedocuments.html
https://www.youtube.com/user/bjrohner?feature=g-user-u
All very interesting, but a lot of power is going in (300 joules?) so a
lot of work, luck, and miracles may still be needed.
- Brad
Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat COP 11.7
The higher COP includes additional energy calculated when the transformer overheated, vessel wall melted, table cracked from embrittlement and the blinding array of photons released:) On Friday, October 12, 2012, David Roberson wrote: I certainly hope that the new data is accurate. But if history repeats itself, there are likely to be errors of some type. When will we get to see independent test results to give us the confidence that we so much desire? Dave
Re: [Vo]:CR39
Abd, When a neutrino collides with a hydrogen proton you get a triple track. See photo on wilkipedia from 1970. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino Cold fusion is the production of neutrinos, which are also considered a dark matter candidate. They are colliding with Hydrogen and also triggering beta decays. That is what they do. Scientists expect a large amount of them from the sun, i just found massive particles of dark matter (in my model) orbiting through the center of hurricanes and tornadoes as well as triggering volcanoes, fish kills and bird kills and most sinkholes. All most likely expelled from the sun during high solar activity. No kidding, no gremlins Stewart Http://darkmattersalot.com On Thursday, October 11, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 04:30 PM 10/8/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:56:54 -0500: Hi, [snip] These materials are not sensitive to energetic photons, i.e., gamma rays. Gammas are absorbed by all solid matter to some extent, during which process energetic electrons are usually produced, which should then leave tracks. However electron tracks are likely to be longer and narrower than heavy particle tracks, which combined with the low absorption rate of the gamma rays would probably result more in a slight background fogging of the medium rather than the distinctive short tracks made by heavy particles. That makes sense. The materials are sold, however, as not being sensitive to gamma radiation. My understanding is that the materials do self-heal to some extent. It might be that those electron tracks simply are not disruptive enough for the disruption to survive to the etch process. Not sensitive does not rule out some level of fogging as described.
Re: [Vo]:CR39
That's the behavior I believe can happen if this collapsed state of matter, call it what you want, can tunnel through collapse/decay other matter. Best some type of magnetic and/or inertial confinement like Miley has contracted with NASA to do. Maybe suspend it in a reactor, feed it hydrogen and keep it happy. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: That may be true according to conventional wisdom, however consider the following possibility. Severely shrunken Hydrino molecules could easily migrate through the interstitial spaces in solid matter, and then undergo fusion reactions further on. The result might be essentially indistinguishable from neutron/proton knock-on reactions. One more thought -- if this is what is going on, it would suggest that hydrinos are potentially quite dangerous to living organisms anywhere near where they are being produced. Eric
Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years
Or possibly beneath the oceans, floating on the oceans or in the air if
energy is free...
We still need to deal with asteroid dark matter strikes. I think we can
head off the worst ones with gravitational redirection if we can detect
them early enough in space. Although I think the biggest current problem
is the sun is pelting us with most of the dark matter during high solar
activity and that might be very hard to stop given the relatively short
distance time.
My research is leading me to believe the 1811 comet was actually a
primordial black hole that tore up New Madrid, Ark. for 3 months and was
witnessed by Napoleon and his troops It triggered 7 years of extreme
volcanism and climate change as well. It was observed for almost 10 months
in the sky before it or an orbital partner struck earth. They get hotter
as they get smaller so they are easier to detect.
My research is also telling me we cannot stockpile any spent nuclear fuel
because at any given time orbital dark matter could cause it to go
critical. Similar to the current events in Bayou Corne, LA. with
underground storage of hydrocarbons only probably much worse.
Cold fusion seems to match most closely with hot dark matter which is known
to trigger beta decays.
Peurto Rico has had approx 900 mini earthquakes in the past six weeks and
they are continuing. I am still looking for a low pressure system to move
in.
Stewart
Http://darkmattersalot.com
On Sunday, October 7, 2012, Axil Axil wrote:
In a few hundred years, the coastal nations of the world will be required
to move their coastal cities inland 100 miles more or less to keep their
cities above water. Robots cannot do that sort of construction.
Cheers: Axil
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Jed Rothwell
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Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'l...@thedyers.org.uk'); wrote:
I am not sure that it will go anything like as far as you believe Jed,
but some elements are already present.
I do not think there is any technical reason why things will not go as
far as I predict, or even farther to the brain in the bottle predicted by
Orwell. However, social forces may prevent it. People may decide they do
not want this. As Orwell shows, this might be a wise choice. Politics or
greed may interfere. Civilization may suffer some catastrophe, and a new
Dark Ages.
If people such as Frank Close and Robert Park remain in charge of
scientific research, they will succeed in stopping cold fusion. Such people
at heart are opposed to all new ideas and all progress.
To take a more extreme case, in the U.S. we are plagued with people such
as Rep. Paul Broun on the House Science Committee. He told a
church-sponsored banquet in his home state of Georgia that the theories of
evolution and the big bang are 'lies straight from the pit of hell.' With
enough leaders like that over a few centuries, I suppose the U.S. would
gradually devolve into something resembling Afghanistan. I am not
exaggerating.
I assume that if Broun had his way, we would not teach these things in
schools. In Texas they are working vigorously to eliminate them. This is
like throwing acid into the faces of girls who try to learn to read, the
way the Taliban does. You cannot have a high tech society run by lunatics
who prevent people from learning the fundamental laws of science.
. . . maybe people would prefer to be in work, even if it is digging
trenches . . .
What would be the point? In what sense would that be work? It would be
a useless waste of time, and an insult. Even if the task had some purpose,
we all know that a machine can do it far better. It would be like having
people work in banks keeping accounts with a paper and pencil, doing
arithmetic by hand. We all know that a computer costing a few hundred
dollars can do more arithmetic in a single second than a person can do in a
lifetime. That knowledge would make the task a crushing burden.
We must make a human use of human beings as N. Weiner put it. The
problem is that the scope of human uses for human beings is getting
narrower and narrower.
The problem was masterfully laid out by Orwell in The Road to Wigan
Pier (referenced above). Here is how I would describe it:
When only a person can do a task, and no machine is capable of it, is is
ennobling work. It gives purpose and meaning to life. When a machine can do
it far more cheaper, faster and better than a human, that same task then
becomes worse than slavery.
I do not see any easy solutions to this problem. I don't think it will go
away on its own.
Having said that, I think there are still many jobs that can only be done
by people, and that people on welfare should be given. For example, taking
care of elderly people or children, cleaning up and repairing parks and
public places, building houses for poor people in projects like Habitat
for
Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs
I hope we have a dark energy weapon... On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: I love the Chinese people. It about time that we stared getting along. For whatever reason chalk one up for Obama. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 12:20 pm Subject: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs This last week, reports of Chinese naval vessels off the US coast, Northern Californian in particular, have been reported but denied. Now an Asian intelligence agency reports that a combined fleet operation between the US and China has been going on, a full combat operation against what we are told is a “highly unfriendly extra-terrestrial threat.” http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/17/ufo-war-chinese-and-us-navy-off-san-francisco/ more
Re: [Vo]:The Human Fauna
Same effect with moist poisons. The solution to pollution is dilution. Best kids get dirty and cooties when they are young to build resistance. On Tuesday, September 25, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: The latest issue of scientific American has an article about food allergies in children. Apparently, if you gradually introduce tiny amounts of the foods they are allergic to, in most cases the allergies subside. The amounts used at first are similar to those used in homeopathy. Years ago, studies were done in Switzerland of children raised on farms versus children from urban areas. Apparently, in Swiss farms, people come in close contact with livestock. Researchers expected to find the children raised on farms would be allergic to animal hairs. They found just the opposite: urban people never exposed to hair were most likely to be allergic to it. - Jed
[Vo]:A Hurricane Prediction Based Upon Dark Matter
Theories are useless unless they help us predict. I have gone out on a limb to predict the destination of tropical storm Nadine that has been swirling in the gulf the past couple of weeks. I believe I am correct unless another dark matter particle interacts at some point along her path and wins out. http://wp.me/p26aeb-6D Please pray for me and those in her path or prepare to throw large amounts of egg at my face. Stewart
Re: [Vo]:A Hurricane Prediction Based Upon Dark Matter
NOAA named it Nadine not me. They are predicting it will turn North anyway. I am not sure if that is the low pressure system I am looking for or not. Weathermen make wrong predictions all of the time. If I am wrong I guess I might still qualify as one but I will not quit my day job for now. I like your humor though On Tuesday, September 25, 2012, wrote: Okay Stew... You've predicted the destination of Nadine, but why didn't you mention why you named it Nadine? So now, if I were to sound it out, it sounds very similar the word N-e-e-d-i-n-g? so, what is it that is relative importance you're currently in need of ?... is it wind-energy, a large amount of water for drinking, fishing, etc, etc., or maybe a big spin-off tornado or vortex that sucks you in sends you to another place? (tee hee). Theories are useless unless they help us predict. I have gone out on a limb to predict the destination of tropical storm Nadine that has been swirling in the gulf the past couple of weeks. I believe I am correct unless another dark matter particle interacts at some point along her path and wins out. http://wp.me/p26aeb-6D Please pray for me and those in her path or prepare to throw large amounts of egg at my face. Stewart /HTML
Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons? : COP200, Linearity
You forgot dark/collapsed matter On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Mint Candy m.ca...@gmx.us wrote: Reminder, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Va3objv1cIE/SeCVwj_HVwI/AYs/FYmv70j8LbM/s400/elephant.gif RFG Complex Electronics AC or DC heating Toroidal Chamber Electro Magnetic Damping Grain of sand on beach conversion (E=MC^2) Hydrides Energy Barriers Phonon Lattice Oscillations Nano Structures Catalyists Ionization Where does it all end? My goodness, it is an Elephant! Your Sweetness David Roberson said: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 23:58:24 -0700 The input is not directly transformed into output but you must initially apply heat of some type to coax Rossi's ECAT to put out excess heat energy. It does nothing until the heat input occurs and after that the amount of heat generated depends upon the internal temperature. What controls does he have to make a useful system? As far as I can determine, his only input is resistive heating and the output heat is directed to the coolant or radiated to some point. He must be able to turn off the device in some manner and it is evident that cutting the drive power is the way he does it. Rossi has never demonstrated in public an ECAT that is truly self sustaining. The internal temperature has always dropped toward room in his experiments. The famous October test of last year did not continue at the maximum power output for very long (less than an hour if I recall) and certainly not forever. Furthermore, Rossi has stated on more occasions than I can count that his device will not have a COP specification of greater than 6 if it is controlled and useful. Read his journal if you question this statement; it is very clearly posted many times to different persons. There are other systems that behave in different manners, such as the DGT device, where they achieve control by effectively starving the thing of fuel. And I am not sure any of the electrolysis mechanisms are controlled that exhibit significant amounts of output power. Could you direct me to any of these devices that put out heat energy that is at least 2 times the input energy and can be turned on and off? If these devices only put out low quality heat, then COP might not be useful in describing them. The entire concept of controlled constant self sustaining power output is a fallacy. Constant output devices typically employ negative feedback to achieve stability. The open loop gain determines how closely the output matches the input. Rossi type LENR devices put out additional heat energy as the temperature rises which is a recipe for instability. This constitutes positive feedback and it comes in handy if your goal is to get plenty of output with a minimum of input power. The catch is that the internally generated heat can supply all the drive needed once it reaches a critical level. If that occurs you are on your way toward a latching point where most attempts on your part to lower the drive power for control are over ruled. If a system reaches an operating point that is controlled by positive feedback as in Rossi's case, there is no standing still allowed. These types of devices are balanced on a razors edge at the self sustaining point and the slightest noise will send it off in one of two directions. The only place they will not remain is at the self sustaining point. Rossi has made it quite clear that his devices attempt to thermally run away which is associated with the positive feedback operation. So, if Rossi wants to have a useful device that is controlled he is required to supply modulated input power to achieve that function. Clearly the less input required, the better from an efficiency point of view. So, it makes perfect sense to attempt to optimize the device at the largest controlled value of COP that he can safely handle. He is no fool, and he realizes that the input power required is not a good thing and thus would love to reduce it. This is not as easy as some think. I want to mention again that Rossi could use controlled cooling in conjunction with his controlled heating to gain additional control, but thus far this has not been seen in his public displays. The magic word is control. COP and control are bound together in a Rossi type device. Jed, you are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else. Some of us are convinced that COP in Rossi's device is important, including him. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons? : COP200, Linearity Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This is most interestingin light of the totality of past experiments in LENR which are “believable”going back twenty years. There seems to beexcellent evidence for long-term COP of over one but less than two . .
Re: [Vo]:Why is MM considered a disproff of Ether?
Guys, We are surrounded by dark matter which absorbs light and energy and matter Massive dark matter particles are orbiting through the earth and creating many/most of our high energy events on Earth including intense weather patterns, seismic and volcanic activity. Believe it or not I think they are talking to us through crop circles as they pass through earth. Http://darkmattersalot.com P.S. Please sidestep all active sinkholes. Once the low pressure system moves through they will go dormant. Then you can fill them in safetly. Until then, well, they are just a sinkhole of money, matter and energy. Stewart I call this my grand unification theory of hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanoes, sinkholes and crop circles... On Saturday, September 22, 2012, Mauro Lacy wrote: On 09/22/2012 08:39 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: On 09/22/2012 08:29 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: Because the idea of the ether they were after (i.e. were trying to confirm) was completely mechanicistic. They never expected light would sink or shorten into the direction of movement. That is, * longitudinally*. Corolarium 1: The Universe is not mechanicistic. Light, at least, completely evades a mere mechanicistic representation. If the Universe were mechanicistic, it would be a dead, and dark, one. Corolarium 2: That sink or shortening must imply something. Conservation of energy, remember? Now, one hundred years after, give or take a couple of decades: Are we ready to really understand this? Or we'll continue to play shell games and dumb? In other words: There's more to it than what's usually stated. Modern science evades the question by modeling only the visible part of the equation, i.e. the material aspect. *There's, without any doubt at all, an invisible or spiritual aspect to all of it.* Just don't try to imagine it, visualize it, or model it in material terms. But, for God's sake: *don't forget about it*. Because you, your very self, is at the stake. 'Are' is probably more appropriate above, not 'is'. In the very same way as the material world has complex, detailed, and strict rules, the spiritual world has them, too. They are different. You can spend your whole life just trying to understand some of it. As a first, you should just stop pretending they don't exist, i.e. suspension of disbelief. And secondly, that they are similar to those of the material world. Abstraction is another common cause of confusion: abstraction can't never be the spiritual, but just, at best, a distilled, or dissected, that is, still (i.e. dead) *image* of it.
[Vo]:New Madrid Earthquake - 200 years Later
All, For those interested, I have posted an article with my comments on one of the most awesome energy displays ever in the US in 1811-1812. A truly unworldly event. New Madrid as Seen Through Dark Sunglasses. http://darkmattersalot.com PetaPetaPetaPeta Joules of Cold Fusion Energy? released over two years time Stewart
Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation
Smoke and Mirrors, I know. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/09/bechtel-president-of-renewables-discusses-ivanpah A $2.2 billion project in the Mojave Desert. It will come on line next year. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation
I thought it was 375,000. That equates to 375,000 stepper motors to keep running in the heat and dust and high winds in Ivanpah. They really need your robots for washing Jed. Otherwise I was guessing about 50 tractors/fuel required full time to keep them all washed each month not to mention where you are going to get all the water. I think the tortoises and their $20M relocation program made out the best on that deal. Not the taxpayer who has footed the bill for $2.2B Makes for some pretty pictures though. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Smoke and Mirrors, I know. 300,000 mirrors! See: http://www.brightsourceenergy.com/stuff/contentmgr/files/0/8a69e55a233e0b7edfe14b9f77f5eb8d/folder/ivanpah_fact_sheet_08292012.pdf - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation
Dude, You believe too much in glossy greeny weenie advertising. Six months ago they were using farm tractors at their first installation. I guess they must have had a huge leap in technology. Maybe theyhave been communicating with crop circles On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: They really need your robots for washing Jed. I am pretty sure they will use robots! I can't imagine anyone planning a project of this nature in 2012 without robots. Otherwise I was guessing about 50 tractors/fuel required full time to keep them all washed each month not to mention where you are going to get all the water It takes 0.03 gallons of water per kilowatt-hour. Most of that is for cleaning the mirrors. That is a lot less than other generator types (solar and conventional). See the PDF document: Low Water Use: BrightSource’s solar tower technology uses up to 95% less water than competing wet cooled solar thermal plants by employing a dry-cooling process, which uses air instead of water to condense steam. The steam production cycle is a closed loop system, with all water recycled back into the system, while general conservation measures help to further reduce water usage. The water consumed on the project is for cleaning the mirrors, much like a PV plant of similar size. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation
With all the fuel those farm tractors are burning and the NATURAL GAS boilers onsight are burning at night maybe... To be serious I am for a greener form of energy that is one of the reasons I hang out here. I am also a realist about what is available here and now and support real research and investment for the future. Clunky home depot mirrors in the desert is not in my vision. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: You believe too much in glossy greeny weenie advertising. You would rather have them build coal-fired plants? Or frack the ground under your house? Or build more nuclear plants after Fukushima? Or do you want to go without electricity? You should not compare what can be done to some impossible ideal. Perfect is the enemy of good. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation
If only cold fusion were tortoises... http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/BrightSource-s-tortoise-move-tab-56-million-3881974.php On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: With all the fuel those farm tractors are burning and the NATURAL GAS boilers onsight are burning at night maybe... To be serious I am for a greener form of energy that is one of the reasons I hang out here. I am also a realist about what is available here and now and support real research and investment for the future. Clunky home depot mirrors in the desert is not in my vision. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: You believe too much in glossy greeny weenie advertising. You would rather have them build coal-fired plants? Or frack the ground under your house? Or build more nuclear plants after Fukushima? Or do you want to go without electricity? You should not compare what can be done to some impossible ideal. Perfect is the enemy of good. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
JoJo is a sharp guy. He might benefit from a Dale Carnegie course... On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:14:17 -0400 hyuk...@asia.com wrote: Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy Jojo Jaro Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:48:28 -0700 Alan, the link is interesting and if you are suggesting that I should take this Obama Ineligibility discussion there, I am not the one you should be concerned about. Jed started this mess with a insult to Birthers. My responses on this stops the minute no one else throws another insult or ridicule. Good for you. Some of these people need to have their smugness-level lowered.
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
I am an engineer, spelling is less important On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: It's Ad Nauseam. genius!!! If you're going to imitate my use of certain terms, do it correctly Learn to spell. Don't they teach that in commie university back there in the mainland?. Jojo - Original Message - From: hyuk...@asia.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo
[Vo]:Vortex Brainpower
Guys, Go with me on this one: My latest dark/collapsed matter theory predicts a couple of things I want to ask your help on: 1) During an active orbit of dark matter through/around the earth (which is happening right now wherever there are intense low pressure systems and sinkholes forming), which can last for months, I have a massive particle with +/- 1E29 Joules of Kinetic Energy passing in a fairly steady stream into a sinkhole or part of Earth somewhere. Where it comes out is a hurricane or twister. Where it goes in is a sinkhole or earthquake waiting to happen. What is the best way to collect/utilize that energy? It is what is collapsing the earth in Louisiana. Can I put a coil around it? I am not sure if it carries a charge or not. It gives of Hawking radiation/heat but I think is in equilibrium with the air. Maybe a thermosiphon? It is the source of energy for most earthquakes, Hurricanes, etc... 2) My latest update predicts that , possibly, the crop circles that are not the trampled kind (faked) may be caused by this dark matter orbiting through the earth which is inducing changes in the stalks: http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php Based upon the patterns formed which are beautiful, are the orbiting particles really creating that intricate pattern by earth's rotation, etc. or is the dark matter trying to tell us something??? i.e. communicate to us Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com P.S. I have not been drinking wine/alcohol.
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Brainpower
Just blocks On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: And the pyramids?
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Brainpower
BTW, the particle is orbiting with a speed in the neighborhood of 500 miles/second and zooms by only once every 1-100 seconds depending upon its orbit. My suggestions for a long life: Don't walk or fly into or between active sinkholes, potholes, waterspouts, dust devils, tornadoes or hurricanes (I hope you already knew the last two) Don't stay in the same place for too long in case an energetic heavy particle is orbiting through that point on the earth, very bad for your health - personal sinkhole. If you detect a 0-1 Hz reoccurring seismic activity in your vicinity (1-100 second period) and you are near an active fault line, get out. Figure out what those crop circles are telling us. Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, Go with me on this one: My latest dark/collapsed matter theory predicts a couple of things I want to ask your help on: 1) During an active orbit of dark matter through/around the earth (which is happening right now wherever there are intense low pressure systems and sinkholes forming), which can last for months, I have a massive particle with +/- 1E29 Joules of Kinetic Energy passing in a fairly steady stream into a sinkhole or part of Earth somewhere. Where it comes out is a hurricane or twister. Where it goes in is a sinkhole or earthquake waiting to happen. What is the best way to collect/utilize that energy? It is what is collapsing the earth in Louisiana. Can I put a coil around it? I am not sure if it carries a charge or not. It gives of Hawking radiation/heat but I think is in equilibrium with the air. Maybe a thermosiphon? It is the source of energy for most earthquakes, Hurricanes, etc... 2) My latest update predicts that , possibly, the crop circles that are not the trampled kind (faked) may be caused by this dark matter orbiting through the earth which is inducing changes in the stalks: http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php Based upon the patterns formed which are beautiful, are the orbiting particles really creating that intricate pattern by earth's rotation, etc. or is the dark matter trying to tell us something??? i.e. communicate to us Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com P.S. I have not been drinking wine/alcohol.
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
Hi Journi, I think you are a cool dude, I was commenting on JoJo's rather direct approach, its all good. May you sidestep all dark matter. Stewart On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** I apologize Jouni, my comments were never intended to be a troll attack. I will now desist. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2012 3:13 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Did anyone just realize that crowdfunding provided 110 000 dollars for almost single person company that is aiming to build a *space elevator*that is in operation by 2020? And if such idea is so feasible, cold fusion research could benefit quite significantly. I would guess that we could raise from Vortex mailing list alone annually some few hundred kilodollars. –Jouni On 20 September 2012 19:29, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
Re: [Vo]:Papp engine = gravitational flucuation?
Gravitons (spin 2 bosons) released from atomic collapse/evaporation On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: *Got a question on my blog Papps Noble Gas engine** * http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32178/32178/#comments ** ** ** From Norbert http://hardsoftlucid.wordpress.com on September 15, 2012 at 7:18 pm http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32178/32178/#comment-423 Does the engine also create small gravitational fluctuations? Since the plasma and the gases used are very similar to the keshe reactor ( www.keshefoundation.org) . And there units seem to create gravitational and magnetic fields. And they also seem to be able to maintain the plasma. But they are not as open about the tech as you guys seem to be, cool. Reply ↓http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32178/32178/?replytocom=423#respond - [image: http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/7c1d189a7c3a39585d0e4f4a6c2bc8e0?s=39d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D39r=G]froarty on *September 18, 2012 at 3:03 pm* said: * Edit* My theories are not the basis of any hardware design and it remains to be proven if they are even correct but yes my Relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect means you have segregated zones with different equivalent inertial planes.. aka gravity wells and gravity warps [hills] or suppression and concentration of what Hal Puthoff refers to as vacuum pressure. The gas layers form and reform Casimir geometry that excites the gas caught in the Casimir cavities into temporal displacement – the ether is suppressed and C^2 is varied instead of V^2 but with very similar results to luminal velocity or sitting in a deep gravity well only the concentrated effect in the cavities is just the opposite [suppression] and instead of slowing time by increasing the rate of virtual particles passing through our 3D plane we have suppression that delays the number of virtual particles growing into the Present from the Future and then shrinking into the Past. These virtual particle form the basis of HUP that give us random gas motion even at absolute zero temp but normally unexploitable because their trajectory is perpendicular to all 3 spatial axii being on a temporal vector -a Casimir cavity provides confinement of 1 spatial axis and forces a limited displacement of atoms back and forth on the temporal axis that may better explain what we perceive as catalytic action. All these claims of anomalous action are just our growing awareness of the true nature of catalytic action as we progress to the next level of super catalysts – the anomalies have been there for a really long time but so small they were previously dismissed – that is in the process of changing :_) ** ** ** ** image001.png
Re: [Vo]:In unity there is strength
All sounds good, but maybe their wire keeps breaking... On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The technologies of Godes, PDGTG, Rossi and Celani will all be well served if they converged. To start off with, Godes should distress the surface of his wire to take advantage of the Shukla-Eliasson (SE) force. This force will generate proton pairing and associated superconductivity on the surface of his reaction wire just as it does the Celani, PDGTG, and the Rossi systems. Experimentalists now use dusty plasma to visualize and demonstrate how electrostatic charge and quantum mechanics will interact at the subatomic level to concentrate electric charge. This model can equate dusty plasma acoustic waves with well-defined Friedel oscillations of degenerate electrons which Godes generates using high power nano-pulses.. This dusty plasma model will also show how a confined space will concentrate the collective wave forms of degenerate electrons inside a surface cavity. This is the reason why such LENR developers as Rossi and Celani roughen the surfaces of their substrates; Rossi with nickel hairs and Celani with etching. By doing this cavity formation process, they greatly amplify degenerate electron concentrations using Friedel oscillations. The analogy goes as follows for the Rossi Process. The anode is the source of positive charge; in the Rossi case, it is a superatom. In the Rossi analogy, the slit is the nickel hairs on the micro powder grains. The concentrations of degenerate electrons form in between the nickel hairs under the influence of the large Friedel oscillations of the degenerate electrons induced by the positively charged superatom. This amplified induced electron cloud will now induce coulomb barrier lowering and proton condensate formation in and around the walls of the nearby surface cavity. The description of the Shukla-Eliasson (SE) force is just been released and is a major breakthrough in understanding electron screening behavior. What DGTG, and Rossi and Celani should take from Godes is the use of Q pulses to optimize the character of the degenerate electrons in their system. Rossi does not use pulsed electron generation at all, but he should. this will allow good control of his reaction at higher COP. DGTG uses low level spark plug based sparking, but they should upgrade to high power nanosecond long capacitive discharge pulse power using multi cathode technology similar to what focus fusion is doing but at a smaller scale. This will extent the life of their electrodes. Celanti should use a nanoseconds long Q pulse to optimize heavy electron production and minimize wire heating and associated stress. This will also increase associated proton pair based superconductivity. A recombination and distribution of the many good ideas in and among the various cold fusion developers will advance the robustness of cold fusion greatly. Cheers: Axil
Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article
T Thanks, I need all the support can get! I have been more research on my theory, I think if the reaction is along the lines of my theory we should be looking for Extremely Low Frequency(ELF) Radiation or ULF(ultra) in the 0-5 Hz range generated from the anomalous heat effect. Which BTW is also used to communicate with military subs... see OSHA http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/elfradiation/index.html ** On Saturday, September 15, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: I think the stellar analogy holds the answer, Jones. But, it is not the normal star like Sol that we should study. It is white dwarfs and neutron stars. Negative resistance in magnetized plasmas has been known to exist for decades. So we know there is an energy source. Degenerate matter is forming within these Storms Discontinuities, possibly relativistic as has been speculated here. Are we seeing Color Superconductors? At the limit of Chandrasekhar mass electrons and protons do form neutrons and neutrinos. Is the degenerate state simulating this limit? It was CE's black hole idea that got me thinking like this. I'll probably get over it. Or not. T
Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner
One can also figure out how to operate their microwave at home with the
door open if they are tricky enough but i would advise against it.
On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
As I previously reported here at vortex-l, Bob is claiming no coil is
required. This video demonstrates it. I think it also places in serious
doubt the ring electromagnet
hypothesishttp://pesn.com/2012/08/24/9602167_Noble_Gas_Plasma_or_Aluminum_Ring_Electromagnet/
posited
by Sterling Allen. However I didn't see any retraction of that hypothesis
associated with Sterling Allen's presentation of this video.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Alan J Fletcher
a...@well.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'a...@well.com');
wrote:
Sterling Allen also posted a link to a video
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Rohner%27s_Noble_Gas_Engine#Plasma_Cycle_is_Not_Air_Drivenhttp://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Rohner's_Noble_Gas_Engine#Plasma_Cycle_is_Not_Air_Driven
A 1-cylinder Papp is assembled from scratch, charged with gas and
operated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-coQ84XU
The cylinder fires against a large spring : it looks to me as if it moves
at least an inch. On the recovery stroke it generates current through a
capacitor, driving an electric motor. This was just set up to prove it's
not air-driven (feuding Rohners) -- there's no way of calculating the power
balance.
He has a cylinder of pre-mixed gas (which he says costs $1700).
**
** (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the
defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner
Smart man. I get the impression Papp was much brighter than the Rohner
Bros.
On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
After carefully considering the consequences of your theories, I most
certainly would never operate my microwave at home with the door open -- it
would let the gremlins out.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:46 PM, ChemE Stewart
cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cheme...@gmail.com');
wrote:
One can also figure out how to operate their microwave at home with the
door open if they are tricky enough but i would advise against it.
On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
As I previously reported here at vortex-l, Bob is claiming no coil is
required. This video demonstrates it. I think it also places in serious
doubt the ring electromagnet
hypothesishttp://pesn.com/2012/08/24/9602167_Noble_Gas_Plasma_or_Aluminum_Ring_Electromagnet/
posited
by Sterling Allen. However I didn't see any retraction of that hypothesis
associated with Sterling Allen's presentation of this video.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Sterling Allen also posted a link to a video
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Rohner%27s_Noble_Gas_Engine#Plasma_Cycle_is_Not_Air_Drivenhttp://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Rohner's_Noble_Gas_Engine#Plasma_Cycle_is_Not_Air_Driven
A 1-cylinder Papp is assembled from scratch, charged with gas and
operated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-coQ84XU
The cylinder fires against a large spring : it looks to me as if it
moves at least an inch. On the recovery stroke it generates current through
a capacitor, driving an electric motor. This was just set up to prove it's
not air-driven (feuding Rohners) -- there's no way of calculating the power
balance.
He has a cylinder of pre-mixed gas (which he says costs $1700).
**
** (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the
defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner
Even so I believe I will wait for Popper ver. 2.0 after SRI figures out the
true nature of the beast.
On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
John is using a coil. Bob is using a metallic casing. But no matter. The
gremlins can sense when their dark lord, Josef Papp, is present, and they
cower in fearful submission heading straight to the Earth's core rather
than toward his pancreas.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:16 PM, ChemE Stewart
cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cheme...@gmail.com');
wrote:
Smart man. I get the impression Papp was much brighter than the Rohner
Bros.
On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
After carefully considering the consequences of your theories, I most
certainly would never operate my microwave at home with the door open -- it
would let the gremlins out.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:46 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote:
One can also figure out how to operate their microwave at home with the
door open if they are tricky enough but i would advise against it.
On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
As I previously reported here at vortex-l, Bob is claiming no coil is
required. This video demonstrates it. I think it also places in serious
doubt the ring electromagnet
hypothesishttp://pesn.com/2012/08/24/9602167_Noble_Gas_Plasma_or_Aluminum_Ring_Electromagnet/
posited
by Sterling Allen. However I didn't see any retraction of that hypothesis
associated with Sterling Allen's presentation of this video.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Sterling Allen also posted a link to a video
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Rohner%27s_Noble_Gas_Engine#Plasma_Cycle_is_Not_Air_Drivenhttp://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Rohner's_Noble_Gas_Engine#Plasma_Cycle_is_Not_Air_Driven
A 1-cylinder Papp is assembled from scratch, charged with gas and
operated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-coQ84XU
The cylinder fires against a large spring : it looks to me as if it
moves at least an inch. On the recovery stroke it generates current
through
a capacitor, driving an electric motor. This was just set up to prove
it's
not air-driven (feuding Rohners) -- there's no way of calculating the
power
balance.
He has a cylinder of pre-mixed gas (which he says costs $1700).
**
** (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the
defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:OT: Gene-Doping
Not exactly stealthy... On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: ... brave new world, indeed ... and they chose not to show the version with the ray gun (high powered semiconductor laser array) ... -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Not to diminish the work done by ARPA-E, take a look at this from DARPA: http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2012/09/10.aspx It really gives me the creeps. T
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Hot-Cat fails test, Swedish investors withdraw, Rossi input power measurements dodgy?
Francis, I agree with your comments. I think the only way to prevent self destruction may be some type of magnetic and inertial confinement. Although I believe the confinement within voids may aid in the initial collapse so that may be tricky... What works one day for a period of time might destroy itself quickly the next. I agree that the effect probably occurs all of the time in nature. Think of how destructive some type of initial collapse (most likely of the hydrogen) releasing intense local radiation heat within a void, followed by secondary fusion, fission and chemical events would be to any piece of equipment or matter in the nearby vicinity. Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: I think all these devices are all inherently self destructive or we would have an exception to COE that identifies the energy source and how to enhance it. I think Mills, Moller and Rossi all need to concentrate more on how to prevent immediate self destruction of the geometry and much less on how to enhance the property… preventing the natural ruin will do far more than trying to optimize the crumbling remains. I suspect stiction in an inert environment could be milled far beyond the point of pyrophoricity and if heat sunk before mixing limited amounts of hydrogen into The inert gas. Preventing oxidation of the geometry milled in an inert environment might be an important factor reflected in all the cleaning and preparation that seems to be required but won’t be enough if the geometry is allowed to heat up and melt closed. I would posit the effect occurs all the time in nature but immediately melts closed before it ever has the opportunity to reach detectable levels. Fran ** ** *From:* bertoldo arpagoni [mailto:beroldo.arpag...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 10, 2012 10:38 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Hot-Cat fails test, Swedish investors withdraw, Rossi input power measurements dodgy? ** ** I wonder what's going to be next ecat model to fool the crowd. I bet a ColdCat in in liquid nitrogen operating at 80°K. Cheers Bert 2012/9/10 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com In Matts review, look how crazy Rossi is: ** ** Investors measurement was done on a new model with a higher operating temperature and hydrogen supply other than those previously demonstrated Rossi. ** ** Why didn't Rossi used the older reactor that he need it worked better? ** ** 2012/9/10 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: And any trust that may have been re-established in Rossi is now totally destroyed. ** ** No one in his right mind would ever trust Rossi. However, some of his measurements have been inherently trustworthy despite the poor quality of the tests and instruments. Some of his results were clearly in error, especially during the NASA visit when the outlet hose was plugged up. However, there have many other Ni-H results lately, and that fact plus the fact that some of Rossi's results are credible makes me think he does have something. ** ** I suppose his results are intermittent and unreliable. That's what you expect with cold fusion. That is what you have to expect with any technology at this stage of development. It is nothing to worry about. It should not affect anyone's decision to fund the research. ** ** - Jed ** ** ** ** -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com ** ** ** **
Re: [Vo]:Comet or Black Hole Explosion?
Just a diversion from RossiCircusFusion http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tunguska_event What was it?
[Vo]:FYI: New Unified Theory, Dark Matter/Energy and Einstein's field equations
Sounds logical and here is my interpretation: Gravity acts more strongly at reduced distances as they state and is the conduit between matter, dark matter and dark energy. -Dark matter is just collapsed matter due to the strong gravitational pull at Planck distances. -Dark matter above the Planck mass can absorb energy/photons (the negative component of the dark energy they discuss) -The positive component of dark energy they mention is Hawking radiation. This is the radiation/heat/given off by Rossi's device and others by collapsed matter in the voids filled with gas. See the following paper. http://arxiv.org/pdf/0803.1987v5.pdf Guys like Rossi are just speeding up the process of evaporation and accelerated expansion of the universe. Luckily we still have alot of matter left to evaporate... It's just Gravity Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Sunday, September 9, 2012, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: http://phys.org/news/2012-09-mathematicians-theory-dark-energy-einstein.html #nwlt Some interesting comments about this new theory: “… the law of energy and momentum conservation in spacetime is valid only when normal matter, dark matter and dark energy are all taken into account. For normal matter alone, energy and momentum are no longer conserved, they argue. While still employing the metric of curved spacetime that Einstein used in his field equations, the researchers argue the presence of dark matter and dark energy—which scientists believe accounts for at least 95 percent of the universe—requires a new set of gravitational field equations that take into account a new type of energy caused by the non-uniform distribution of matter in the universe. This new energy can be both positive and negative, and the total over spacetime is conserved, Wang said. The researchers postulate that the energy-momentum tensor of normal matter is no longer conserved and that new gravitational field equations follow from Einstein's principles of equivalence and general relativity, and the principle of Lagrangian dynamics, just as Einstein derived his field equations. Wang said the new equations were the unique outcome of the non-conservation of the energy-momentum tensor of normal matter. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.5078v2.pdf GRAVITATIONAL FIELD EQUATIONS AND THEORY OF DARK MATTER AND DARK ENERGY TIAN MA AND SHOUHONG WANG Abstract The main objective of this article is to derive a new set of gravitational field equations and to establish a new unified theory for dark energy and dark matter. The new gravitational field equations with scalar potential ϕ are derived using the Einstein-Hilbert functional, and the scalar potential ϕ is a natural outcome of the divergence-free constraint of the variational elements. Gravitation is now described by the Riemannian metric gij , the scalar potential ϕ and their interactions, unified by the new gravitational field equations. Associated with the scalar potential ϕ is the scalar potential energy density equation which represents a new type of energy caused by the non-uniform distribution of matter in the universe. The negative part of this potential energy density produces attraction, and the positive part produces repelling force. This potential energy density is conserved with mean zero: equation The sum of this new potential energy density (c^4 / 8πG) * Φ and the coupling energy between the energy-momentum tensor Tij and the scalar potential field ϕ gives rise to a new unified theory for dark matter and dark energy: The negative part of this sum represents the dark matter, which produces attraction, and the positive part represents the dark energy, which drives the acceleration of expanding galaxies. In addition, the scalar curvature of space-time obeys R = (8πG/c^4)*T + Φ. Furthermore, the new field equations resolve a few difficulties encountered by the classical Einstein field equations.
[Vo]:Start with a niche market where you can charge a large premium
I agree with Jed's ideas. We may find @ low power levels any/all radiation/emissions are easily absorbed locally and at higher levels it requires more shielding, etc. Or that some reactants have dirtier emissions than others. It is pretty obvious to me the effect is real and appears to be scalable although possibly not yet reliable at the higher levels. I became somewhat concerned recently based upon the health of some of the scientists and related people involved with various devices over the years as I read back through old documents. This may be unfounded but who knows at this point. This effect, if more common in nature than we think, might actually help expand medical knowledge if there are some emissions and potential health impacts at certain levels. Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Saturday, September 8, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Let me describe the sort of Edisonian safety testing I have in mind. There are indications that Ni-H cells produce a burst of radiation when they first turn on. We need to test for that. Assume the following: * We can make thousands of prototype devices the size of an AA battery, without about the same power output. * The devices can be cycled on and off in 1 minute. Okay, I would suggest these should be tested by this method: Make an array of 100 by 100 devices (10,000). It would not be large. Have each device monitored with round-robin sensors. Install the array in a place like the Kamiokande underground lab, with every kind of particle detector and sensor money can buy. Cycle all of the devices on and off, every minute, for a year or two. That's 5.3 billion cycles per year. See if you detect any radiation above background. In the meanwhile, have 10 other labs do similar tests, some with larger devices. At the end of a year you have 10 to 50 billion cycles. If no evidence of radiation is detected, I think everyone would agree there is no radiation. Despite this, I would recommend we install radiation alarms in first-generation cold fusion devices. These would be no more expensive than smoke detectors. These are, in fact, californium radiation detectors. Some labs should expose lab rats and plants to the devices in case it turns out there is some radiation or other effect we do not know about that causes harm to living things. I think that is extremely unlikely, but we should make sure. Have 100 other labs test for various other safety aspects, such as destructive testing from overheating. I suppose the cost of the program I have outlined here might be in the hundreds of millions. It will surely be more than $20 million. I think it would be far more than Defkalion has budgeted for safety checks. I repeat that I personally would be opposed to allowing any devices to be used anywhere outside the lab until tests of this nature are complete. This may seem harsh. I realize this policy would put the kibosh on the near-term commercial development of cold fusion. It would cancel these wonderful fantasies entertained by Rossi and others, in which cheap, cottage industry cold fusion heaters rolling off production lines in defiance of government regulators. In my opinion, it is not worth risking a single human life to fulfill these fantasies. Moreover, we must face the fact that cold fusion might actually cause harm. We must deal with this. If we discover it causes harm after thousands of units are shipped out and installed, that would be a public relations disaster. It might even destroy the entire industry, and prevent the use of this energy source. That is a risk we do not need to take. These tests would probably cost more than all the money spent on cold fusion so far. However, as I said, cold fusion will pay back at a rate of $1 or $2 billion per day, so this program would be paid for in a few hours after cold fusion becomes prevalent. The cost is utterly trivial compared to the benefits. Arguing that it is not worth it would be lunacy. It would be like disputing the cost-benefits of polio vaccines, or air-traffic control. A series of tests along these lines would eliminate any rational fear of harm from cold fusion. Or, these tests would reveal that the effect *can actually cause harm*, so it should only be used in carefully monitored central generators. Either way, we would eliminate uncertainty. A great deal of irrational fear would remain. There is no cure for that. It would be simpler to accomplish this by first establishing a theory that everyone agrees is correct, and then show based on that theory that cold fusion cannot cause harm. Or that it can cause harm, under conditions we need to watch out for. This would be simpler, but even if we manage to do this, I think it would be prudent to perform the kind of safety tests I described here. I think the public would demand it, and the public would be right to demand it. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Compressed spring - what happens to the stored energy at different temperatures?
So are we saying CF is really SLINKY POWER antigravity phenomenon? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WktQfP0lgo On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: wow, so who (or what) killed the nitinol heat engine? and what does SMA mean? This nitinol machine converts heat into mechanical energy. What I am exploring is a sort of anti-heat engine - the destruction of mechanical energy by cold. harry On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Harry may be setting you up for SMA... You only need to watch the first 3 minutes of this - to see the surprising motor that raised a lot of eyebrows at the time - but never got traction, so to speak... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKmYqUSDch8
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
Spooky/crazy action at a distance. Works the same in people associated
with it...
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012, Teslaalset wrote:
Same counts for Keshe foundation
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Jones Beene
jone...@pacbell.netjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jone...@pacbell.net');
wrote:
If you are asking for a personal opinion, then it is not a simple yes or
no.
I believe Papp demonstrated a way to convert radioactive isotopes, mostly
radium/radon, into electricity at higher than expected efficiency, and
that
is all there was to it. You cannot ready his biography - including the
Fraud
involving the 300 mph submarine, without realizing the man was a scam
artist
at heart! BTW mesothorium from Papp's patent is an old name for a radium
isotope. Do not confuse it with thorium.
I will admit that it is possible for a scam artist to actually make a
great
discovery, if only by accident, but there is no proof that Papp or his
successors achieved this. He was not a brilliant inventor.
LeClair may be much smarter than Papp was, but he has nothing to show.
Period. Ahern lives nearby - tried for months to visit him, and found that
he is completely elusive and without personal credibility. His lab is a
shed. His claims could be derived from what others have reported. Without
some kind of minimal validation - other than what is already known about
sonofusion, why waste your time?
From: Axil Axil
Do you favor the mystery energy source claims of LeClair
and
Papp?
Cheers: axil
Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
I ran across an interesting recent paper on the collapse of coherent dipolar BECs when subject to confinement within an optical lattice. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1205.5176v1.pdf Since Rydberg matter can act as a condensate if you remove the heat, I thought this was applicable. I realize the leap of faith in believing something that happens @ approx. 300K-500K lower temperatures applies to the CF case, but I see it just as believable as a fusion which typically happens at multi-millions of degrees K higher temperatures. On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 1:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It would be ideal if the pseudo neutron can be formed which would then penetrate the nucleus but I am afraid that the energy equations would not balance. If there are two different paths to the same ultimate result, they should release the same net energy. What would be the proposed reactions so that we can look at these? Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2012 12:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields Le Sep 2, 2012 à 7:07 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com a écrit : Okay, but what I'm sayin' is that in the crevasse of a partial crystal lattice, those partial bound electrons restrict where the RSH fermion might reside by exclusion. Well, I can't go there. And I can't go there. Fritz! Let's just plunge into this these here bound quarks and make a neutron. I was hoping the proton end of the mono-hydrogen Rydberg atom would behave like a pseudo neutron, avoiding the need for neutron production. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Magnetic/Inertial Drive Motors: Important claims are patented or published as quickly as possible
Like, I said, I wish these guys were healthier... DePalma's partner with the magnetic motor, also an MIT graduate, Ed Delvers dies at age 52 of apparent Acute Asthma Attack http://www.scribd.com/doc/86710207/Bruce-Depalma-History Another Magnetic motor guy Ed Gray also met an untimely death http://keelynet.com/evgray/evgray.htm http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=955 Joseph Papp died around age 56 of colon cancer Tom Rohner, who worked for Joseph Papp recently passed at age 63 from Pancreatic cancer. I do not believe in conspiracy theories nor do I believe that there is anything such as free energy I do believe that whatever the effect is, collapse or fusion, it probably has some health implications at certain sustained levels and/or exposure lengths from the EMRs or EMPs emitted from these devices. Stewart On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I see Bruce's web page is still active: http://www.brucedepalma.com/ His early passing is attributed to his heavy alcohol consumption by those who knew him: http://www.padrak.com/ine/DEPALMA2.html Homopolar generators are very interesting but not OU. T
Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
I understand and agree. I also understand that fusion also has thermal issues since it typically occurs at millions of degrees Kelvin. Maybe DGT's trojan horse theory is correct, who knows at this point. On Monday, September 3, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: This is a good find with possible relevance for Ni-H, Stewart, but many observers will have a different take on how far one can take the BEC due to thermal issues. ** ** The classic “dipolar boson” and probably the only one which has a chance to form a BEC at high temperature, since it has greatly reduced statistical energy states which need to be aligned - is the short-lived nucleus Helium-2. The following reversible nuclear reaction, common on the Sun, lasts only a tiny fraction of a second: ** ** P+P-2He-P+P ** ** It is dipolar, since the only thing keeping it from happening permanently is anti-aligned spin. The fact it forms at all, and so often, indicates how easy it would be to fuse permanently, but for the spin. And yes, technically it disproves Pauli, “if your clock is fast enough”. Importantly, this is by far the most common nuclear reaction in the Universe - 99.99+% of all nuclear reactions on stars consist of only this reversible reaction. Fortunately, on occasion, before the fused 2He can decay back to protons – there will be a rare beta decay to deuterium, which is the ultimate source of solar energy…. ** ** So while the basic reaction gives “almost no” net energy, since it starts with protons and ends with protons… things could be very different in a warm cavity environment, such as a nickel pore. In fact, although we often think of a cryogenic BEC of consisting of tens of thousands of atoms – a warm BEC involved in Ni-H at relatively high temperature could consist of only 4 atoms. ** ** ** ** *From:* ChemE Stewart ** ** I ran across an interesting recent paper on the collapse of coherent dipolar BECs when subject to confinement within an optical lattice. ** ** http://arxiv.org/pdf/1205.5176v1.pdf ** ** Since Rydberg matter can act as a condensate if you remove the heat, I thought this was applicable. I realize the leap of faith in believing something that happens @ approx. 300K-500K lower temperatures applies to the CF case, but I see it just as believable as a fusion which typically happens at multi-millions of degrees K higher temperatures. David Roberson wrote: It would be ideal if the pseudo neutron can be formed which would then penetrate the nucleus but I am afraid that the energy equations would not balance. If there are two different paths to the same ultimate result, they should release the same net energy. ** **
Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
Or Hey, what's this button do?... On Monday, September 3, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: My daughter spent time in New Zealand. She says the national slogan there should be: Hey, let's try it! Why not? Kind of like the infamous redneck last words, Hey, Bubba, watch this! T
[Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
Just a couple noteworthy items from my research for those few of you that cannot get enough of my black hole/collapsed matter theory of CF. A 2008 study considered the internal mass of a black hole to be very similar to a dense Bose Einstein Condensate, not necessarily a singularity. http://arxiv.org/pdf/0807.0315.pdf Evaporation of collapsed matter/MBHs should produce X-Rays: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1105.0265v1.pdf In the process of quantum evaporation, mini black holes produce X-rays while losing mass, until they eventually disappear. Although there has been many attempts to observe these X-ray signatures, they have never been detected, suggesting that mini black holes were not created in large numbers as expected, or that they do not evaporate. ( or maybe they are looking in the wrong place!) If they do not evaporate completely , they might just bind to matter, like maybe on a coil, equipment or maybe your skin... On the other hand, if quantum evaporation does not exist, mini black holes would have a peculiar behavior. Stellar (and supermassive) black holes are so dense that any object crossing their event horizon cannot escape their gravity, not even light. In the absence of quantum evaporation, mini black holes would gravitationally bind matter, without absorbing it: matter orbits the black hole at a certain distance. The researchers name it the Gravitational Equivalent of an Atom (GEA). If these GEAs exist and can be detected, it would provide a way to test quantum evaporation. Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Monday, September 3, 2012, Eric Walker wrote: Le Sep 3, 2012 à 2:43 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com a écrit : Mike McKubre says that he first met Martin Fleischmann, there were several students in the hallway firing a bow and arrow for some sort of experiment. It looked foolhardy. Mike decided it was just the place for him. I recall a bow-and-arrow story that involved creating a very narrow capillary tube by affixing one end of a glass tube to an arrow and then, after heating the tube to near melting, shooting the arrow down the hallway. I don't recall who was involved other than Fleischmann. Eric
[Vo]:
My take on it: It more resembles the type of inertial and magnetic confinement that a reaction like this probably requires to minimize secondary fission and fusion reactions with surrounding environment as well as EMF containment. Similar to what Miley is investigating with NASA with aneutronic fusion (if that is what it is really for...) Instead of a spark plug to create charged particles he mentions a low level scinitillation source. Once the reaction gets going it creates PLENTY of its own ions/scintillation/charged particles. Not a bad idea, sort of like in your smoke detector at home. No more eating up of spark plugs like DGT is dealing with and probably the Rohner Bros. It has the necessary ingredients of: charged particles, confinement, magnetic alignment, not sure but probably some compression of the gasses. The Patent mentions high level magnetic field and consequently strong gravitational field forces for the Plasma Reaction concentrated at the core. My take on that is the magnetic alignment of the charged ions makes the ions more susceptible to collapse from the strong local forces of quantum gravity. The collapsed matter at the core than instantly evaporates by way of Hawking evaporation releasing a full spectrum of low energy radiation/charged particles. These charged particles contain photons creating light and lots of other quantum goo, mostly absorbed in the surrounding containment wall material and showing up as heat. Some may pass right thru the walls. You can also collect charged particles with a containment coil like Papp, which is probably safer. I believe that there is probably an energy output level above which the EMR flux given off reaches unhealthy and/or deadly levels. Best to keep the gremlins small and don't feed them to much (and let them evaporate) and shield/collect all of the charged particles. Its just gravity Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Sunday, September 2, 2012, Teslaalset wrote: Some more patents of Mehran Keshe: https://register.epo.org/espacenet/advancedSearch?searchMode=advancedpn=ap=fd=pd=pr=prd=pa=mehran+keshein=re=op=ic=ti= On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: Remember the electrical 'recycling' shown in the demo's of Bob Rohner? On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: correction to patent link: open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/geert8550/EP1770715A1.pdf
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
And its the nerds of that age group. Rest of that group are reading playboy and related material... On Sunday, September 2, 2012, wrote: Who reads cold fusion material? From the responses to my web page I found the following. Nuclear Scientists NO! Robert Park NO! Women NO! Academics NO! Young white males between the ages or 14 and 20.YES!
Re: [Vo]:5 fold wireless gain of amperage between equal coils
I tend to believe that in Rossie's last tubular reactor, the heat was being generated from the ionization, collapse and radiation emmisions from air within the center of the donut and that is why only the air and inside surface of the cylinder are glowing. Those two sets of wires/coils are just driving a magnetic field and possibly collecting charged particles from the core, which is Ionized AIR. You can possibly ignite it with a spark/flame to get it started. Maybe the inside walls of the donut are ceramic allowing the magnetic field to pass to the center. Just a thought... On Sunday, September 2, 2012, Harvey Norris wrote: http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/08/inventor-shows-5-fold-wireless-gain-of-amperage-between-equal-coils-2463024.html I get in arguments all the time about what I am talking about, so this article pretty much explains the special circumstances involved here, and it uses an interphasal resonance as the sender of vibrations. Anyone with access to three phase could reproduce my experiments with special coils, but a higher then 60 hz frequency is also very helpful for the simple fact it becomes much easier to procure coils with a high q factor if we instead have a three phase source such as a car alternator that also produces a higher frequency then 60 hz. Then using ordinary 500 ft 14 gauge coils with just two of them and an alternator frequency in the 400 hz range it is easy to procure Q factor internal voltage rise factors in the 15 range. And you will be outraged at the electrical books explanation for resonant phenomenon because it is a pipe dream expounded by theorists who never actually did the experiments to verify what they are talking about. The real Q factor never equals X(L)/R, and the inductor never comes to an ohms law conduction at resonance. I purposely selected the best circumstance I could find which was a coil resonance at 60 hz and found that only 83% of ohms law conduction issued. http://youtu.be/LgXfbkqxBok In any case what I am talking about is using voltages DERIVED FROM SERIES RESONANCE. If you are using AC voltages derived from ferromagnetic transformers, which is what everyone is familiar with; then you cant get more out of a coil then what you sent in. But resonant rise obtained voltages has instances of secondaries exceeding the normal amp turn ratios. Heres some jpegs past what is shown on the video, where the coil imparts energy to other components and the ending component still has energy obtained in excess to the sending amount. These are the other components seen in the video, but not dealt with in application as they are given open connections. http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/7907775572/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/7907801088/ Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
[Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
I'll defer to Axil, but i would say yes. Rydberg matter is also nice and dense allowing you to pack more matter into voids to get more fuel into the chambers. Stewart On Sunday, September 2, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: Would a static electric field result in a polarization of Rydberg hydrogen atoms? Also, since DGT implies that the Pm3m space group enhances the NAE would that static field enhance the reaction? T
Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
Dave, I was looking at Rydberg matter densities and Inverted Rydberg densities from this paper from Miley and others. http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/STAFF/VISITING_FELLOWSPROFESSORS/pdf/MileyClusterRydbLPBsing.pdf On Sunday, September 2, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 7:59 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comjavascript:; wrote: I assume you refer to inverse Rydberg (f/h) matter here. Normal Rydberg matter is less dense from what I have seen. No, I refer to hydrogen with extra energy which forces the electron into a higher energy state near ionization. The electron is in a widely eccentric orbit who's perigee brings it close enough to the nucleus that it imitates a neutron and whose apogee is near ionization. T
Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
Sounds reasonable. I would think the ions may be more vulnerable/unstable in this state, especially if they are densely packed in a compressed void with the repulsion of the walls and with possible concentrated charge/fields within. On Sunday, September 2, 2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: Dave, I was looking at Rydberg matter densities and Inverted Rydberg densities from this paper from Miley and others. http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/STAFF/VISITING_FELLOWSPROFESSORS/pdf/MileyClusterRydbLPBsing.pdf On Sunday, September 2, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 7:59 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I assume you refer to inverse Rydberg (f/h) matter here. Normal Rydberg matter is less dense from what I have seen. No, I refer to hydrogen with extra energy which forces the electron into a higher energy state near ionization. The electron is in a widely eccentric orbit who's perigee brings it close enough to the nucleus that it imitates a neutron and whose apogee is near ionization. T
Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
In chemistry, Schrödinger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger,
Pauling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauling,
Mullikenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_S._Mulliken and
others noted that the consequence of Heisenberg's relation was that the
electron, as a wave packet, could not be considered to have an exact
location in its orbital. Max Born
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Born suggested
that the electron's position needed to be described by a probability
distribution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_distribution which
was connected with finding the electron at some point in the wave-function
which described its associated wave packet. The new quantum mechanics did
not give exact results, but only the probabilities for the occurrence of a
variety of possible such results. Heisenberg held that the path of a moving
particle has no meaning if we cannot observe it, as we cannot with
electrons in an atom.
Terry is just saying the probability that the electron will be closer to
the neucleus is higher. I do not see a conflict
On Sunday, September 2, 2012, David Roberson wrote:
Not a problem. If a classical orbit is true for any length of time,
quantum mechanics has some explaining to do. Again, is this evidence for a
hole in that theory?
Dave
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
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Granted that the Bohr model is simplistic; but, for a few hundreths of
a nanosecond, the Rydberg atom of hydrogen is essentially a neutron.
I think my time scale is off. We might be looking at hundreds of
femtoseconds.
In the words of my granddaughter, Whatever. (word)
T
Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
Dave,
I see them as tools. If you don't like using a wrench, use pliars and many
times you can solve the problem.
On Sunday, September 2, 2012, David Roberson wrote:
Well, slap me silly. I would love to throw out QM! I was afraid that I
am the only one around these parts that feels that way. Maybe there are at
least two (three with Mills) of us.
Actually, it is a little premature to throw out a theory that has worked
so well for so long
Dave
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
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Not a problem. If a classical orbit is true for any length of time, quantum
mechanics has some explaining to do. Again, is this evidence for a hole in
that theory?
LOL! Yeah, we call it LENR. :-)
I do not know; but, you put a bunch of these under the influence of a
broken lattice . . .
As Ruby Carat's stickers say, The Heat is On.
I was trying to help DGT improve their process:
http://defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24p=7740#p7740
I found their response, er, curious.
T
Re: [Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
Jed, I totally agree. Our firm designs industrial ASME certified vessels to handle high temperatures and pressures. These vessels also have to confirm to API and NFPA guidelines. If a customer came to us with a reactor design that they could not define what the exact reaction kinetics were along with emissions it would be impossible to design and certify an industrial product. Nuclear Regulations are a whole new level of certification and I am by no means qualified to comment on them. It is best that this technology be studied by as many experts as possible to nail down the reaction(s), kinetics and emissions. That is the only way to insure public safety. Who knows, maybe it is very benign/safe at a low levels but becomes more of a bad actor had higher level energy output. Stewart On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: This paragraph makes no sense to me: So, the LENR term is problematic due to such serious scientific reasons. But there is one more problematic effect from the use of such wrong definition: Certification of products based on such technologies when named “nuclear”, will result the involvement of lobbies dominating the present related Nuclear Authorities, that they will use any of their spades to delay any improvement out of their control or interest, when the area of interest and responsibility of such Authorities has nothing to do with the phenomena we are talking about! The phenomenon is what it is. It makes no difference what you call it: LENR, cold fusion or HENI-heat. It makes no difference what you claim the theoretical explanation is. The actual explanation will eventually emerge. It the effect is nuclear, then the present Nuclear Authorities must regulate it. They are obligated by law. If it is not nuclear, they will not regulate it. The opinions of the people at Defkalion -- and their theories, and what they choose to call it -- can play no role in the decision to regulate this, or not to regulate it. The decision is entirely out of their hands. As I said, the authorities are *obligated by law* to regulate a nuclear effect. Defkalion, or Rossi, cannot change regulations. The are not governments. They can lobby to have the law changed. They can appeal to the public to put pressure on governments. But they cannot magically change laws by using different terminology to describe their technology. The true nature of the technology will be established by having thousands of researchers examine the effects in laboratory tests worldwide. In my opinion, there is not the slightest chance this effect will be used in any end-user application until thousands of laboratories have replicated, confirmed that it is safe, determined whether it is nuclear or not, and developed a working model if not a complete theory to explain it. Society will not allow an unexplained, unknown source of energy that looks a lot like nuclear fusion to be used in thousands of houses, buildings and automobiles without regulation and without careful testing. Rossi -- and apparently Defkalion -- seem to be betting that they can slide in under the radar as it were, and start selling this profitably without first spending billions of dollars to ensure safety. I think that is preposterous. That is not how the world works in the 21st century. Some people think it is a shame that our society is heavily regulated. They prefer the 19th or early 20th century freedom to start selling things that have not been carefully vetted and approved. In the early 1900s, people sold water with lots of radium as a health drink. This killed the people who drank it. Many other dangerous products were allowed back then. We are never going to return to those freewheeling times. I agree that regulations slow down the pace of progress, and some regulations are absurd, but whether they are good or bad, I am sure they are not going away, and it is not possible for Defkalion to do an end-run around them by renaming the phenomenon. Some people hope that cold fusion will get its start in places like India, where regulators have little power. I doubt it. Regulators in India and China have lots of power. Far too much. They are corrupt and will demand more control and a larger kickback than they would in the U.S. They are not responsive to public pressure on the legislatures. This technology will be developed, certified safe and sold in the first world -- the U.S., Europe and Japan -- or it will not be developed at all. It will be developed like any other major innovation, with the full cooperation, involvement and compliance of government regulators and private regulators such as UL. Or it will not be developed at all. Something as big as this will not be secretly, gradually introduced. It will not be manufactured in cottage industry fashion, or bootstrapped by Rossi. This is wishful thinking. It is likely there will be opposition from
Re: [Vo]:Magnetic/Inertial Drive Motors: Important claims are patented or published as quickly as possible
I think I will send without an attachment Found this recent 2011 patent application for an inertial drive similar to the TerraWatt drive and attached the google patent version and another link http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/WO2011044588 Filed by this guy: Joseph P. Firmage, 28, founded USWeb, a leading Internet consulting firm, in 1995. Like his previous ventures, the company prospered wildly. For fiscal 1998, USWeb posted revenue of $228 million - a 100% increase over the previous year. He referenced one of the early magnetic motor developers, Bruce De Palma MIT/Harvard grad (Brian's brother - Scarface Director). Bruce evidently had a working demo unit filed a patent application back in the 1990's before succumbing to stomach cancer and/or internal bleeding at age 52. The motor was never brought to market. http://www.scribd.com/doc/86710207/Bruce-Depalma-History http://www.brucedepalma.com/ Just food for thought. I wish some of these guys stayed healthier. Stewart On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: A patent is not the only way to protect an idea. In practice, trade secret law may be more important. This is particularly true when the idea to be protected is not the product itself, but the process used to produce it. Consider the high-K metal gate process used by Intel at the 45nm and 32nm nodes. Intel published a small amount of information about the process when they introduced it. And competitors have undoubtedly reverse engineered the results, determining the precise geometries and elemental makeup of the devices. But they do not know the process used to produce them. They are forced to hypothesize about the process technology and then test each hypothesis. Certainly, knowing the final result is a huge advantage over having to dream it up in the first place. But reverse engineering the manufacturing process is still daunting, even for engineers already skilled in the art. I think there may be analogies in LENR. Now frankly in the long run, I don't expect this fact to be especially significant. If this stuff plays out as some of us hope, the economic incentive will ensure that what can be done, will be done, and quickly. If it doesn't play out, there are no useful secrets to protect. But trade secrecy may have a large effect on the likelihood of people like me, a curious non-specialist, ever being able to satisfy my curiosity about what the heck is going on. Bummer. ;-) Jeff, speaking for myself. I have never been employed by Intel or had access to any Intel trade-secret information through NDA or anything like that. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: I wrote: Generally speaking, in my experience, the value of a technical claim is inversely proportional to the level of secrecy applied to it. I am not being cynical. Well, not completely cynical. In technology, when you make an important claim you file a patent. A patent must reveal everything or it is invalid. In pure science, when you make an important breakthrough you rush to publish it as soon as possible to establish priority. Sometimes, foolish people make what they think is an important breakthrough and they try to keep it secret. These breakthroughs are usually mistakes or stuff that everyone knows already. Howard Aiken's dictum applies: Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Magnetic/Inertial Drive Motors: Important claims are patented or published as quickly as possible
Either (1) Medical Marijuana patient...(2) a surge of quarks/gluons to the synapses. Either one will trigger similar events On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I remember Joe Firmage from my MUFON days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg192CjeuK4 Good thing it wasn't an Incubus. T
Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:The energy of the vacuum causes the Bosenova
I agree with the condensation/ultra dense matter in the voids. We can agree to disagree about where the energy actually comes from for now. It would be nice to have a mass and energy balance around what is going on in a controlled lab setting, I am sure that is somewhat tricky. The Papp/Rohner/TerraWatt/DePalma/Firmage devices make me think you can charge/compress/magnetically pulse/shock matter and get a similar energy pop. I pulled this paragraph from a recent Caltech article: Recent work by Christian Beck at the University of London and Michael Mackey at McGill University may have resolved the 120 order of magnitude problem. In that case dark energy is nothing other than zero-point energy. In Measureability of vacuum fluctuations and dark energyhttp://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0605418 and Electromagnetic dark energy http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0703364 they propose that a phase transition occurs so that zero-point photons below a frequency of about 1.7 THz are *gravitationally active* whereas above that they are not. If this is the case, then the dark energy problem is solved: *dark energy is the low frequency gravitationally active component of zero-point energy.* I am sure we can all google something that supports our ideas. That is the great thing about Google! My new motto is It's just gravity This will make cold fusion more palatable for everyone...or should I name my theory Gravifusion? Stewart On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Axil, I think you are on the right track – it fits with MAHG, Mills, Rossi and even the compressing gases in Noble gas engine claims. Not saying it negates all the other theories but it sounds like a nice fit that minimizes the number of miracles needed and is based on observed facts. We all try to exploit HUP effect on gas in this confined environment but your focus on the condensate threshold rather than my focus on covalent bond threshold or Lamb pinch seems to ring truer. Very good theory my hat is off to you Fran ** ** *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 2:20 AM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [Vo]:The energy of the vacuum causes the Bosenova ** ** The energy of the vacuum causes the Bosenova From: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0412041 *The collapsing condensate was observed to lose atoms until the atom number reduced to about the critical value below which a stable condensate can exist. The dependence of the number of remaining atoms on time since initiation of the collapse _evolve was measured for the case of an initial state with Ninit = 16000 atoms and repulsive interaction corresponding to ainit = +7a0, where a0 is the hydrogen Bohr radius. * *The onset of number loss is quite sudden, with milliseconds of very little loss followed by a rapid decay of condensate population (within 0.5 ms) after which the condensate stabilizes again. This behavior results from the scaling of the loss rate with the cube of the density, the peak value of which rises as 1/(tcollapse − t) near the collapse point. * *This allows a precise definition of the collapse time tcollapse, the time after initiation of the collapse up to which only negligible numbers of atoms are lost from the condensate. Another quantitative result of the experiment is the dependence of tcollapse on the magnitude of the attractive interaction that causes the collapse, parametrised by the (negative) scattering length acollapse. These measurements are performed from an initial state with Ninit = 6000 atoms in an ideal gas state (with interaction between them tuned to zero). The tcollapse datapoints presented in the original paper have undergone one revision of their acollapse values by a factor of 1.166(8) due to a more precisely determined background scattering length. * * Although the main focus of this paper shall be on the collapse time, we mention two other striking features of the experiment: the appearance of ’bursts’ and ’jets’. One fraction of the atoms that are lost during the collapse is expelled from the condensate at quite high energies (**∼100 nK to **∼400 nK, while the condensate temperature is 3 nK); this phenomenon was referred to as ’bursts’. Finally, when the collapse was interrupted during the period of number loss by a sudden jump in the scattering length, another atom ejection mechanism was observed: ’jets’ of atoms emerge, almost purely in the radial direction and with temperatures a lot lower than that of the bursts (a few nK)* My theory of the bosenova explosion When too many atoms are packed into too confined a space, the uncertainty principle comes into play. A confined space means an uncertain(aka high) kinetic energy. When confinement gets high enough, the associated increase in kinetic energy destabilizes the condensate and the
Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?
It is if you don't know what the reaction is! On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: A cold fusion nuclear reactor that that puts out as much energy and density as a common nuclear reactor cannot possibly be dangerous. 2012/8/31 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com More tea-leaf reading : problems with the domestic certification ? Andrea Rossi August 31st, 2012 at 9:34 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=695cpage=6#comment-311191 Dear Koen Vandewalle: We have all the resources necessary for a development of our technology, based on our businessplant. I do not think we will have delays as for the industrial apparatuses. For the domestic ones, certification will be possible, I think, after the industrialplants will have produced enough statistics. Warm Regards, A.R. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
If a piece of metal/wire just sits there and generates long term anomalous heat while slooowly losing mass, which is what this is doing, let's just call it evaporation like we do with water, sounds soothing. We might even have RossiSauna franchises very soon. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In the field of politics and public relations, the words that are used are tools to influence perceptions. Some words are good and some words are bad in forming impressions and connections in people’s minds. LENR and CANR are acronyms and contain bad words in themselves. These terms should not be used in conversations with the general public. It has the word nuclear associated with it. The acronym HENI is better but is restrictive to the element nickel. Nickel will be replaced by other elements as the future of LENR unfolds. The associations in the word HENI will be weaken over time and such a situation should be avoided. It’s better to get the right word up front like what has been done for LASER and RADAR. The advocates of LENR should stay away from association with physics and especially nuclear physics. We want to be associated with chemistry. Instead of using words like fission and fusion, we want to use a word like transmutation. It is transmutation of elements that provide energy. Transmutation is associated with alchemy, magic, and the conversion of lead into gold. So a name like Chemically Assisted Transmutation Reaction(CATR) is a tool to avoid the association with NUCLEAR, a very bad word indeed.Cheers: Axil . On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: This paragraph makes no sense to me: So, the LENR term is problematic due to such serious scientific reasons. But there is one more problematic effect from the use of such wrong definition: Certification of products based on such technologies when named “nuclear”, will result the involvement of lobbies dominating the present related Nuclear Authorities, that they will use any of their spades to delay any improvement out of their control or interest, when the area of interest and responsibility of such Authorities has nothing to do with the phenomena we are talking about! The phenomenon is what it is. It makes no difference what you call it: LENR, cold fusion or HENI-heat. It makes no difference what you claim the theoretical explanation is. The actual explanation will eventually emerge. It the effect is nuclear, then the present Nuclear Authorities must regulate it. They are obligated by law. If it is not nuclear, they will not regulate it. The opinions of the people at Defkalion -- and their theories, and what they choose to call it -- can play no role in the decision to regulate this, or not to regulate it. The decision is entirely out of their hands. As I said, the authorities are *obligated by law* to regulate a nuclear effect. Defkalion, or Rossi, cannot change regulations. The are not governments. They can lobby to have the law changed. They can appeal to the public to put pressure on governments. But they cannot magically change laws by using different terminology to describe their technology. The true nature of the technology will be established by having thousands of researchers examine the effects in laboratory tests worldwide. In my opinion, there is not the slightest chance this effect will be used in any end-user application until thousands of laboratories have replicated, confirmed that it is safe, determined whether it is nuclear or not, and developed a working model if not a complete theory to explain it. Society will not allow an unexplained, unknown source of energy that looks a lot like nuclear fusion to be used in thousands of houses, buildings and automobiles without regulation and without careful testing. Rossi -- and apparently Defkalion -- seem to be betting that they can slide in under the radar as it were, and start selling this profitably without first spending billions of dollars to ensure safety. I think that is preposterous. That is not how the world works in the 21st century. Some people think it is a shame that our society is heavily regulated. They prefer the 19th or early 20th century freedom to start selling things that have not been carefully vetted and approved. In the early 1900s, people sold water with lots of radium as a health drink. This killed the people who drank it. Many other dangerous products were allowed back then. We are never going to return to those freewheeling times. I agree that regulations slow down the pace of progress, and some regulations are absurd, but whether they are good or bad, I am sure they are not going away, and it is not possible for Defkalion to do an end-run around them by renaming the phenomenon. Some people hope that cold fusion will get its start in places like India, where regulators have little power. I doubt it.
Re: [Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
Byproduct material http://www.nrc.gov/materials/byproduct-mat.html (material
that is made radioactive in a reactor, and residue from the milling of
uranium and thorium)
I would think that any byproducts, even only unstable for seconds, would
trigger this.
I am just guessing
On Friday, August 31, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'janap...@gmail.com'); wrote:
Chemical transmutation, is what is going on. The physics commumity must
come to terms with this reality.
They all have to agree with you. Because . . . Why exactly?
Chemically Assisted Transmutation Reaction (CATR) reactions are produced
through the action of electrons not neutrons.
The NRC regulates the use of neutrons not electrons.
If no neutrons are produced, there is no need for NRC regulation.
Two problems with this:
1. Celani did detect neutrons, so maybe they are produced. It will take a
lot more research to settle this issue.
2. Do you seriously expect that everyone in the scientific establishment,
every regulator, and every lawmaker will agree with you about this? Do you
think there will be no debate? No funds allocated to determine whether you
are right or wrong? Everyone will look at the present evidence, decide it
is sufficient, and instantly dismiss a large chunk of conventional nuclear
physics.
- Jed
[Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working
And I am sure those are just the really big black holes we can see. They come in all masses depending upon age, location and how much matter initially collided/collapsed and many probably contain past solar systems and probably past civilizations. I'll bet they far far outnumber humans it is just that our minds have a hard time wrapping around them. They help create matter from the vacuum as well as consume and evaporate it. Its just gravity Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Friday, August 31, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: To further that thought... Massive black holes are the ultimate sub-woofer and micro black holes the ultimate high-range tweeter. WISE support: http://www.space.com/17359-black-holes-millions-found-nasa-space-telescope.html T
Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working
I guess since massive black holes at the center of most galaxies warp spacetime you are probably right. Solar systems roll right around the drain into the hole. On Friday, August 31, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:53 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Its just gravity There is no such thing as gravity. The earth sucks. Sorry, I could not resist. Have you noticed how a spiral galaxy resembles a water drain? T
Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working
Sorry about the small font Steven Hawking demonstrated with quantum mechanics that a black hole emits Hawking radiation http://www.universetoday.com/40856/hawking-radiation/ and can come to thermal equilibrium. That same thermal equilibrium stays unchanged in time reversal. So, according to Hawking the reverse of a black hole in thermal equilibrium is a black hole in thermal equilibrium; meaning that a hole, black or white, is the same thing. Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/53948/white-hole/#ixzz25B2faalV On Friday, August 31, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Okay, that given, then explore the possibility that we might be dealing with a mirror world, a world of negative energy on the other side of absolute zero. This world might be populated with white holes which maintain the balance. (Credit to Don Hotson here.) World really means Universe. T
[Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
I tend to agree with Axil, i think the nanopowder is a distraction if you want to generate power. Powder may be mainly good for transmutations and maybe heat transfer. I think both a Papp type engine and possibly the Terrawatt Research magnetic drive are an impulse/shock type drive with charge, compression and magnetic alignment all repeated at high frequencies. The Papp motor runs at about 47 Hz and the Terrawatt unit shows data up to 20 Hz with a steep power curve from there. The Papp unit uses noble gasses and the terrawatt magnetic oscillator just has an air gap between rotating magnetics. There must be an issue though (besides fraud which i do not believe). Since the UL data for TWR was from 2008 it should not take that long for the Terrawatt drive to make it to market. The think issue is either safety or reliability or both. This may be that the system will generate an UNGODLY amount of power at 100 or 150 Hz destroying itself and those around it. I also wonder what type of EMR spectrum of emissions is generated during operation and whether that is healthy. Papp at some point seemed to give up either after the explosion and somebody was killed or after he became ill with cancer. Patterson also seemed to give up on launching a product after his grandson died that was helping him. This all seems very strange to me. All of these systems seemed to have the potential to transform the world and yet their development appears delayed or halted. Maybe I am making too much of it. Jed might know some of the history better. Stewart On Friday, August 31, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: *We think we know what is going on. Do we?* * * * * * * *One must remain open*. I agree, being open minded is important. It's important to not permit the SCAMS of yesterday to effect the LENR systems of tomorrow. The noble gas reaction that underpins the Papp engine is the most likely reaction that works and the most promising. It must receive priority in future LENR RD funding. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: blush Don't forget the crater in the floor in Salt Lake City and the explosion in Tadahiko Mizuno's experiment. Key on explosion in the LENR-CANR.org search window. We think we know what is going on. Do we? One must remain open. T
Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working
Gravity is ALWAYS involved, even for massless particles. Massless particles are known to experience the same gravitational acceleration as other particles (which provides empirical evidence for the equivalence principle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivalence_principle) because they do have relativistic masshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_mass, which is what acts as the gravity charge. On Friday, August 31, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Is the kinetic energy in that world also negative so that when a particle with negative kinetic energy collides with a particle of equal but positive kinetic energy the result is zero energy? I think there is a Planck time issue here (5.3x10^-44s). The answer is yes, assuming the recombination occurs within the half cycle of Planck time. Otherwise, maybe there is an energy gain due to the physical separation. What could cause the separation of these virtual particles in this period? Could gravity be involved? Stewart? T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi said...
Terry, His progress seems fast to you because he has figured how to warp time with his not yet disclosed T-cat device. To him he has been working on it for 50 years . That is approx 25:1 time dilation... If you watch his hair grow closely you can tell. :) On Thursday, August 30, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: I find it extremely difficult to take anything AR says seriously. His research seems to be advancing too fast even if he does have assistance from the NRL, which I doubt would be taking place in a warehouse in Italy. Just my opinion. I could be wrong. T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi said...
Of course I agree with Jed. This is the same plague that effects all of these devices. Uncertainty? Instability? Unreliability? Collapsed matter? Life imitating science? I also worry about health effects unless properly shielded and isolated. Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: To bet in what sense? That he has a work able device or that he has anything at all? Everything that Rossi does says is in a state of Quantum Indeterminacy. The act of betting may tilt events one way or the other. It is best not to go there. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi said...
Only I think in the case of these devices the cat can also jump thru the box or consume the box if he/she is large and hungry enough... On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/8/30 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: To bet in what sense? That he has a work able device or that he has anything at all? Everything that Rossi does says is in a state of Quantum Indeterminacy. The act of betting may tilt events one way or the other. It is best not to go there. Shrodinger's cat had only 2 states once the box was opened: dead or alive. Rossi's E-cat keeps staying in multiple states because the box can't be opened. One may wonder if there's a cat after all... mic
Re: [Vo]:Rossi said...
I agree, I think Rossi has come upon anomalous heat/energy like many others including SRI, DGT, etc. You are right, the smaller the scale, the more the reliability/less uncertainty. Nature keeps atoms, electrons and protons small because by themselves, they are uncertain. Orbits due to gravity/repulsion maintain some level of certainty. Magnify atoms into superatoms and collapsed matter and you increase uncertainty/unreliability. Many of the researchers that have passed, some untimely, and have taken their knowledge with them. Reding, De Palma, Patterson, Fox, etc. but the effect remains. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Of course I agree with Jed. This is the same plague that effects all of these devices. Well, not the small scale cold fusion devices at places like SRI, thank goodness. They are established beyond any rational doubt. If I may be a little more serious about Rossi . . . It is clear to me that his policy is the same as Patterson's was. He does not want credibility. He *does not want* people to know for sure that his device is real -- or that it is fake. (I assume it is real, mainly because there are a growing number of credible nanoparticle Ni-H results.) Rossi has repeatedly gone out of his way to prevent people from independently confirming his claims. People including me. I could have verified it to a far greater extent than it has been so far. I could have done this easily in a few hours. He knows I could have. He put his foot down. Let me repeat with emphasis, and let me make this clear: he told me and he told several other people that *he will he will never allow independent public testing*. I and many others have proposed such tests. We could arrange them in a few days. He says no tests! He means it. He only allows tests that will remain secret under NDAs. As I have said here before, I know of some secret tests. I never publish things without permission. The last thing I need is to have researchers upset with me. I get in enough trouble with Rossi and others when I say the sort of thing I am saying here, in this message. I assume Rossi cultivates this ambiguity for the same reason Patterson did. I doubt it is because he is trying to cover up a fraud, and I can't think of any other reasons. Patterson and Reding both told me they wanted most people to think they were wrong, or crazy, or frauds, because that gave them 100% market share. I told him Patterson he would end up with 100% of nothing. Needless to say, he took his technology and his market share to the grave with him. I predicted he would. I predict Rossi will do the same thing if he persists with this strategy. There is no chance you can keep this secret to the extent he is trying to do yet also achieve commercial success. Rossi and Patterson also shunned mass media exposure. No kidding. They went out of their way to make themselves look bad in the mass media. This is a business strategy, not lunacy. It is a lousy strategy, in my opinion. It usually fails. Defkalion has done the same thing, by the way. Last January they said they wanted tests with the results made public. Apparently they changed their minds, or they changed the schedule. As far as I know, all tests done since then have been under restrictive NDAs. I do not know if any of these NDAs have a time limit. A little information has leaked out despite the NDAs. As far as I can tell the tests have been unimpressive. But who knows? Until they publish a complete independent data set, you don't know whether their claims are valid. I see no point to speculating. It is a waste of time trying to suss out information people do not want you to have. Generally speaking, in my experience, the value of a technical claim is inversely proportional to the level of secrecy applied to it. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ECAT Simulations With Third Order Temperature Dependency
Those are pretty tough questions for a device that is generating fission, fusion, chemical and possibly some forms of collapsed matter, all with different reaction kinetics, time constants and instabilities...I would think it would be very hard to wrestle that pig to the ground (I grew up on a farm)... On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff Dave. On the face of it, this Rossi reaction control mechanism seems primitive and problematic. Do you have additional details? When the reaction is operating at 1200C, what level of temperature spike is required to reverse a dropping reaction temperature profile? Does the maximum level of external temperature spike ever get above 1450C at any point? How long does the reaction take to respond to the temperature spike? What causes the reaction temperature to fall? How long does the reaction take to regain stability? How much power does the external temperature impulse consume in a 10 KW system? How much heat loss from pore insolation can the reactor tolerate? Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:50 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: I performed additional analysis and have a couple of items to add to the simulation results. The first one is that it is obvious that the Rossi controlled devices operate within the thermal run away region to achieve a COP of 6. In these cases, the positive feedback is responsible for the gain and also set the time constants required to keep the units stable with drive. Other implicit components that effect the time constant are the thermal capacitance of the core and thermal resistance through which the heat energy flows. One consequence of operation within the unstable region is that a strong shock is required to force the rising temperature function of the device to reverse direction. Once reversed, the temperature will head toward zero and stable operation unless another external positive heating shock occurs at an important time. This behavior might well explain why Rossi continues to insist that he can not use the heat output of an ECAT to drive additional ones. The slow response time of the ECAT driver would not constitute a thermal shock that could control the operation of its brothers. An electric or gas heater can respond rapidly enough to achieve the desired results. Perhaps I sound like a Rossi fan by continuing to support his claims while many of the other vorts seem to question them. I guess my confidence in many of his statements is that they tend to be confirmable by my model performance. If he were totally full of *** then why insist upon a COP that is reasonable, but low, when claiming a higher value would be advantageous? How would extending this claim make him more of a dud? Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:50 pm Subject: [Vo]:ECAT Simulations With Third Order Temperature Dependency Earlier I posted information obtained by simulating the ECAT device. The last version assumed that the ECAT internal LENR energy generation mechanism depended upon the core temperature as a second order function. The latest trial runs were obtained by using a model that allowed this temperature dependency to be of the third power. I was curious as to how much more critical the system would behave at this higher power and gave it a test run. I was able to obtain a COP of almost 18 if I pushed the operation of the core to the brink of critical run away temperature. This would not be acceptable unless an active cooling method was also available that could extract heat rapidly from the core if its temperature became too great. Rossi may have something of this nature in his latest design, but it is not evident. The power drive duty cycle was required to be approxiamtely 10% during this test run. If I operated the device within a conservative mode where I kept the temperature at 90% of the run away value I only obtained a COP of 3.61. I noted that the duty cycle of the drive was 50% which is as Rossi has stated within his journal. With these two independent runs available for reference it is clear that I could obtain the expected COP of 6 if I carefully chose the peak temperature excursion of the device. In the earlier experiment with the temperature dependency of second order the matching seemed to be easier and I achieved a good level with the first attempt. The implication of my modeling is that it is likely that Rossi or anyone who has a device that follows this general rule would be capable of making the COP of 6.0 if the design contains a reasonable geometry and has the internal thermal resistances properly adjusted. If anyone is aware of the power output-temperature functional relationship of Rossi's device please direct me to that data so that I can adjust the model to match the
Re: [Vo]:ECAT Simulations With Third Order Temperature Dependency
Nanopowder typically melts at lower temperatures than its equivalent solid. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Does the maximum level of external temperature spike ever get above 1450C at any point? Ah. Google tells me that is the melting point of Ni . . . Actually, you cannot get close to a melting point without bad stuff happening. Sintering and local melting. The temperature is not likely to be uniform. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Important claims are patented or published as quickly as possible
I think the Papp engine is electric charge accumulation, magnetic alignment, compression and collapse followed by an instant energy burst. Same thing happening in the voids/cracks of the lattice each pop of DGT's spark plugs. I think we saw yesterday that TerraWatt Research LLC also has a patent for their magnetic motor. That electric motor is spinning those magnets and creating a magnetic impulse/alignment and possible compression within the gap between them at 20 times/sec. Electric charge also builds in the gap over time since the burst of matter should release charged particles. It is all the same effect aided by quantum level gravitational attraction finishing the collapse. I am going to continue pounding that thought into everyone's collective brains. Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Papp engine is the only LENR device that has ever been patented. What makes you think it is LENR? I guess in the broader sense it probably is, but I doubt it has anything to do with hydride cold fusion (the F-P effect). But, who knows?! Until it is independently reincarnated and tested I will have little confidence it is real, even if it convinced the Patent Office. I do not dismiss it. - Jed
[Vo]:Important claims are patented or published as quickly as possible
Papp/rohners mentioned it starts overheating above 2800 rpm. If the effect releases a large spectrum of radiation/charged particles only a portion might get absorbed locally resulting in heat. The rest might pass right out of the device after also propelling the piston On Thursday, August 30, 2012, David Roberson wrote: Sounds like a pretty effective test. It is apparent that the Papp device, if real, is not a heat engine due to the cool touch. I suspect LENR activity working in conjunction with some form of electric motor behavior. The axial magnetic field would give the ions a twist in direction that would induce a circulating current within the piston and opposing cap. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Important claims are patented or published as quickly as possible Correction: Rothmen logic should have been Jed Rothwell logic… as demonstrated in the touch test by an observer of a hot Rossi reactor to prove over unity and life after death during late stage of the demo conducted by Rossi just before the last public October demo/test conducted by/for the Government. Remember? This man jumped when he burnt his fingers after he touched a hot reactor surface. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Let’s use some Rothmen logic here. How can plasma be produced if the temperature of the engine is just warm to the touch? How can 500 HP be produced sustainably without the presence of huge external electrical feed that is easily detectable? Michael McKubre is a man of common sense; according to Mike, the internal power source is either LENR or derived from the vacuum. All that power coming from the vacuum would be hard to believe. How can 500,000 watts come from the vacuum? So most probably LENR is involved in powering the Papp engine. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 12:50 PM 8/30/2012, Axil Axil wrote: Michael McKubre said that the reason he believes completely in the reality of the Papp engine reaction for the last 14 years is that Papp ran a full demo of his engine in front of patent examiners to their total satisfaction using a dynamometer… it worked as advertised. On the strength of this demo, the patent office was forced to give Papp a patent on his engine. Is that documented anywhere? (googling doesn't give any quick, definitive links). Are patent office communications archived? The Papp engine is the only LENR device that has ever been patented. Since it depends on a plasma, I'd call it Hot fusion.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi said...
Or it might be that after 3 years he does not yet have a stable reactor,
like DGT, Rohners, Terrawatt, etc. these things might last for a short
period of time for a demo but then break down in short order. They run
just long enough to show a patent officer or inspector or investor...
On Thursday, August 30, 2012, Axil Axil wrote:
Many viral infections are successful in infecting other hosts because
these pathogens delay symptoms until they have had an almost certain
opportunity to spread. Evolution has proven that such a delaying survival
tactic allows the pathogen to survive and prosper, ADS and influenza are
examples of the “kept it quiet” infection strategy.
Rossi is using this dormancy infection strategy to imbed his product
deeply in the marketplace before it can be stuffed out by a countering
competitive eradication procedure by another form of energy production. .
Cheers: Axil
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Jed Rothwell
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ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:
Of course I agree with Jed. This is the same plague that effects all of
these devices.
Well, not the small scale cold fusion devices at places like SRI, thank
goodness. They are established beyond any rational doubt.
If I may be a little more serious about Rossi . . . It is clear to me
that his policy is the same as Patterson's was. He does not want
credibility. He *does not want* people to know for sure that his device
is real -- or that it is fake. (I assume it is real, mainly because there
are a growing number of credible nanoparticle Ni-H results.)
Rossi has repeatedly gone out of his way to prevent people from
independently confirming his claims. People including me. I could have
verified it to a far greater extent than it has been so far. I could have
done this easily in a few hours. He knows I could have. He put his foot
down. Let me repeat with emphasis, and let me make this clear: he told me
and he told several other people that *he will he will never allow
independent public testing*.
I and many others have proposed such tests. We could arrange them in a
few days. He says no tests! He means it. He only allows tests that will
remain secret under NDAs. As I have said here before, I know of some secret
tests. I never publish things without permission. The last thing I need is
to have researchers upset with me. I get in enough trouble with Rossi and
others when I say the sort of thing I am saying here, in this message.
I assume Rossi cultivates this ambiguity for the same reason Patterson
did. I doubt it is because he is trying to cover up a fraud, and I can't
think of any other reasons. Patterson and Reding both told me they wanted
most people to think they were wrong, or crazy, or frauds, because that
gave them 100% market share. I told him Patterson he would end up with
100% of nothing. Needless to say, he took his technology and his market
share to the grave with him. I predicted he would. I predict Rossi will do
the same thing if he persists with this strategy. There is no chance you
can keep this secret to the extent he is trying to do yet also achieve
commercial success.
Rossi and Patterson also shunned mass media exposure. No kidding. They
went out of their way to make themselves look bad in the mass media. This
is a business strategy, not lunacy. It is a lousy strategy, in my opinion.
It usually fails.
Defkalion has done the same thing, by the way. Last January they said
they wanted tests with the results made public. Apparently they changed
their minds, or they changed the schedule. As far as I know, all tests done
since then have been under restrictive NDAs. I do not know if any of these
NDAs have a time limit. A little information has leaked out despite the
NDAs. As far as I can tell the tests have been unimpressive. But who knows?
Until they publish a complete independent data set, you don't know whether
their claims are valid. I see no point to speculating. It is a waste of
time trying to suss out information people do not want you to have.
Generally speaking, in my experience, the value of a technical claim is
inversely proportional to the level of secrecy applied to it.
- Jed
[Vo]:ECAT Simulations With Third Order Temperature Dependency
Terry, That is a good paper that I need to reference. I see it more like alot of different research/results are pointing us in a common direction. I am trying to piece together alot of observations and other theories, some from astro physics and some from nuclear physics and some from just plain old engineering sense logic. Unexpectedly, I have also scared myself a bit by what I think the reaction might be, what it implies and how to make it safe when you scale it up. There is a reason that it is taking taking decades to produce a device that is stable. Many very smart people have built devices that worked at one time and yet they were not able to make it to market. I also see some health issues that concern me with some of the people most involved in the past. Interestingly, I came across an article from around the year 2000 or so that mentioned Jed and also mentioned Frank Z. telling Ed Storms he thought there was a link between cold fusion, superconductivity and gravity. I think Frank was right and Ed is still looking primarily at a nuclear fusion reaction. Sometimes I think scientists seem so bent on one theory that fits their discipline that they close their eyes to others. Just the way I see it. Stewart On Thursday, August 30, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:41 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Those are pretty tough questions for a device that is generating fission, fusion, chemical and possibly some forms of collapsed matter, all with different reaction kinetics, time constants and instabilities... Someone is beating you to the draw: http://www.darksideofgravity.com/DG_neutrinos.pdf T
Re: [Vo]:ECAT Simulations With Third Order Temperature Dependency
When I see/read something like the following
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosenova
I think that the magnetic fields created across a void/gap due to charge
concentrations must align the condensate atoms such that the repulsion
between atoms within the condensate is reduced further allowing quantum
gravity to then trigger a collapse and instant, intense radiation and heat
release. I think the effect is most likely enhanced by external
pressure/repulsion from the lattice on the condensate, ultra high densities
and total charge accumulation. I am a chemical guy so think less about
magnetic fields but that seems to an important parameter. Based on that
Papp engine and terrawatt engines I think a lattice is optional, magnetic
field induced across a metallic gap definitely.
Stewart
On Thursday, August 30, 2012, wrote:
Thanks Stewart,
Yes, I have been saying the same thing for quite a while. Miley showed
a long time ago that is was the fission of a compound nucleus.
Many nucleons acting as one. How can that be? The nucleus are of Fermi
meter dimensions and the inter nuclear spacing is in angstroms?
Once again the only way is if the range of the strong nuclear force is
extended. My analysis suggests that the spin orbit nuclear-magnetic effect
is the actor. I am an Electrical Engineer and I think in terms of fields
and forces. Nuclear physicists think in therms of particle like nucleons.
I know the magnetic force is not conserved. The spin orbit force must by
analogy also be non-conservative. The magnetic field is extend within soft
iron. I believe that the nuclear spin orbit force is extended within a
vibrating inverse Bose condensate. A condensate of protons. For some
reason over the last few days my book has started selling. The article on
IE produced no sales. I know not why.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8field-author=Frank%20Znidarsicie=UTF8search-alias=bookssort=relevancerank
The mathematics also produced the quantum condition and a unification of
Special Relativity and quantum physics.
I completed this stuff 10 years ago and adjusted a little since. My
experiments have not produced any anomalous energy by I will soon try again
with something different.
http://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals-Papers/Author/913/Frank,%20Znidarsic%20(new)
Frank Znidarsic
Interestingly, I came across an article from around the year 2000 or so
that mentioned Jed and also mentioned Frank Z. telling Ed Storms he thought
there was a link between cold fusion, superconductivity and gravity. I
think Frank was right and Ed is still looking primarily at a nuclear fusion
reaction.
Sometimes I think scientists seem so bent on one theory that fits their
discipline that they close their eyes to others.
Just the way I see it.
Stewart
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Subject: [Vo]:ECAT Simulations With Third Order Temperature Dependency
Terry,
That is a good paper that I need to reference. I see it more like alot
of different research/results are pointing us in a common direction. I am
trying to piece together alot of observations and other theories, some from
astro physics and some from nuclear physics and some from just plain old
engineering sense logic.
Unexpectedly, I have also scared myself a bit by what I think the
reaction might be, what it implies and how to make it safe when you scale
it up. There is a reason that it is taking taking decades to produce a
device that is stable. Many very smart people have built devices that
worked at one time and yet they were not able to make it to market. I also
see some health issues that concern me with some of the people most
involved in the past.
Interestingly, I came across an article from around the year 2000 or so
that mentioned Jed and also mentioned Frank Z. telling Ed Storms he thought
there was a link between cold fusion, superconductivity and gravity. I
think Frank was right and Ed is still looking primarily at a nuclear fusion
reaction.
Sometimes I think scientists seem so bent on one theory that fits their
discipline that they close their eyes to others.
Just the way I see it.
Stewart
On Thursday, August 30, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:41 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
wrote:
Those are pretty tough questions for a device that is generating
fission,
fusion, chemical and possibly some forms of collapsed matter, all with
different reaction kinetics, time constants and instabilities...
Someone is beating you to the draw:
http://www.darksideofgravity.com/DG_neutrinos.pdf
T
[Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King
Yeah, anytime you are creating collapsed matter you are creating uncertainty - money, markets, equipment, possibly health do not thrive in that environment. I hope it all evaporates. Best to keep volumes below that which will contain a Planck mass of ultra dense matter. Life imitating science... Just my take on it. Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:52 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: They appear more legit to me and with alot of big names on the board, for what that is worth. Yeah, but what is their involvement. I know lots of people who sit on boards if companies who have no idea of why they are there. Stoern had well machined devices: How Free Energy Workshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAk3tiaOewofeature=related Blew several millions of investors' bucks. T
Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working
To further that thought... Massive black holes are the ultimate sub-woofer and micro black holes the ultimate high-range tweeter. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-06/black-holes-jam-on-bass-to-accompany-star-creation.html Yes, I believe cold fusion is nothing but the effects of quantum gravity making its presence felt in the macro world. This goes for SonoFusion, Bubble Fusion, ColdFusion, PappFusion, TerraWattFusion, LightningBallFusion, PattersonBeadFusion, MileyVoidFusion, DGTMicroFusion, CelaniWireFusion and RossiMediaCircusFusion. Matter or Energy In Energy Out Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Compose Music composemu...@inbox.lvwrote: For Musicians, Artists, Fat Bureaucrats Others Unwilling to Examine a New Beat, Take off the blinders and at least investigate this concept: Found in Rossi's Journal --- This means that all the theories based on current Theoretical Physics, (*as for instance the attempts made by Peter Hagelstein, Widom-Larsen, Edmund Storms, etc.*), actually are very far away from the true explanation for cold fusion, and they are wasting their time trying to understand cold fusion with their surpassed understanding on Nuclear Physics. So, there is need, indeed, a New Physics, with new foundations. Perhaps Rossi is using the flyback suggested by me in May-2012: *Is Rossi’s New Solid State e-Cat a gravity device ? (Score: 1)* http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3385mode=nestedorder=0thold=0#14765 If yes, then Rossi’s new Hot e-Cat is indeed a gravity device. Regards WLAD End of paste. Left click that Blue line hyperlink if you dare. Harmonize The Thought to a 3/4 Waltz
Re: [Vo]:Terawatt.com, magnetic-based power production device
Looks like it to me. Approx. 5:1 gain @ 20 hz. Looks like gain may continue rising steeply past 20 hz. Wonder what it will do @ 60? At least their website is nicer than the Rohner bros... Lots of x men in black listed on the staff On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, Harry Veeder wrote: This is a magnetic overunity device? Harry On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:54 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netjavascript:; wrote: Serendipitously came across this company… anyone familiar with them? http://terawatt.com/ecm1/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=17Itemid=187 They have a very impressive group of people working for them, and third-party testing. -Mark
Re: [Vo]:Obscure possible LENR explosion
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/fisker-karma-owner-blames-house-fire-car-offended-204708241.html http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/21/business/la-fi-autos-volt-20120121 On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-ballotechnics.htm ** ** this is a lame article, and most of the field has blacklisted, but have a go… ** ** *From:* David Roberson ** ** This thread leaves me wondering about the manifestations of other LENR accidents of the past that were not understood. Do any of our vort members recall references to similar occurrences that were merely brushed aside as unknown? I am searching for incidents where an obviously large amount of energy was released in a short period of time that exceeded anything expected of a chemical reaction. ** **
Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King
I believe unless you remove energy from the condensate, the energy radiated from the collapse of matter will instantly heat the condensate and quench further collapse since you reach new thermodynamic stability. Possibly the only way to counteract that (beyond removing heat) is a stronger magnetic field or further compression within the lattice. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:48 PM, helloke...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hello Jojo: One thing to consider is the opposite of high speed kinetic movement. K. P. Sinha induced LENR by using a laser and REMOVING energy from the system. And Kim theorizes that Bose-Einstein Condensates are the primary cause, which points again to a REMOVAL of energy from the system. If you slow those Deuterium atoms down enough, they become attracted to each other. So if you do end up with a mat of these carbon nanohorns, you might try a laser operating at the frequency KP Sinha published instead of inducing current. --- On *Thu, 8/23/12, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com* wrote: Now, given that you've just jolted these H+ into high speed kinetic movement due to the high temperature you just applied with your spark, add the fact that they are screened, meaning they don't have the coulomb repulsion anymore; guess what would happen when 2 of these H+ ions collide. Instant p + p fusion. Success!!!
Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King
I agree. I believe a metallic lattice is probably a crude first attempt at harnessing this effect but will be discarded quickly once other types of engineered confinement and/or isolation is designed. I also can't stop thinking about what TerraWatt and the original Papp Engine are/were possibly doing and wonder if a strongly focused electrical/magnetic pulse might be triggering a similar instantaneous collapse/energy emission effect and would possibly be a cleaner approach to energy generation. BTW terrawattdotcom put up some new pictures on their website today. (Their legal docs said you could not link directly to them without permission) On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: On the face of it, there seems to be an engineering dilemma associated with the concept of removing kinetic energy from atoms in designing a mechanism to produce power from heat. But we can do what we want to do if we take another tack. At the end of the day, the formation of an entangled ensemble of particles is a great multiplier of LENR subatomic manipulation. But at the most fundamental level, it’s all about control of electrons. At the broadest level of explanation, cold fusion is a result of the heavy compression of electrons to such a high level that their mutually repulsive forces overlap causing the various quantum constituents to disaggregate into separated piles of quantum waves: charge, spin, orbit(aka, angular momentum). Electric charge is stripped en mass from the rest and the location and activity of these waves are distinct and removed to a distance from their originating particles. This compression of such an energetic and chaotic electron fluid is not easy to do because the electrons are so small and slippery. In an analogy, both water and CO2 can be maintained in a liquid state if it is confined and constrained by enough pressure within a pressure vessel with thick steel walls.. Confining electrons together to prohibit the electrons following their usual state of free motion requires special materials configured in just the right way. When this chaotic electron fluid is tamed in this way, coherent waves of charge will form. It is this pressure exerted on electrons that cause their charge to disaggregate and dislocate from liked charge particles. And it is the concentrated action of these waves of charge that take down the coulomb barrier. But it's not easy to squeeze the energetic electrons together, because these tiny particles can leak away into even the tiniest holes of a lattice of atoms. And even under pressure, the electrons must also be able to move. They cannot be frozen solid in place as happens in a Mott insulator. To engineer a situation where electron movement is strongly restricted in just the right way, one must look toward the newly evolving field of materials engineering: topological materials. The chemical organization of topological materials, their size and shape of certain combinations of atoms and their positions relative to each other will project electromagnetic force to break apart electrons and protons into their most elemental quantum mechanical parts. Just in the last few years, one and two dimensional materials have been discovered and strange new classes of matter are being formed. These designer materials can produce factional angular momentum, the magnetic monopole and the Majorana particle…A particle that is its own antiparticle and thus capable of self – annihilation…but these new creations can only exist in their own very special atomic topological neighborhood. Designer materials made of superatoms and long atomic strings could have combinations of physical properties that don't exist in nature. We can produce an ultra-cold condensate at 700C, As Kit Bowen, a chemical physicist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, puts it, it's as if you felt like eating something hot and something cold at the same time, and could have it both ways. Like a hot-fudge sundae. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:48 PM, helloke...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hello Jojo: One thing to consider is the opposite of high speed kinetic movement. K. P. Sinha induced LENR by using a laser and REMOVING energy from the system. And Kim theorizes that Bose-Einstein Condensates are the primary cause, which points again to a REMOVAL of energy from the system. If you slow those Deuterium atoms down enough, they become attracted to each other. So if you do end up with a mat of these carbon nanohorns, you might try a laser operating at the frequency KP Sinha published instead of inducing current. --- On *Thu, 8/23/12, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com* wrote: Now, given that you've just jolted these H+ into high speed kinetic movement due to the high temperature you just applied with your spark, add the fact that they are screened, meaning they don't have the coulomb repulsion anymore;
Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King
They appear more legit to me and with alot of big names on the board, for what that is worth. I am going to guess if that device sees wear and tear and premature failures, they will occur between the surfaces of those magnets on the magnetic oscillator where all of the uncertainty takes place... Both the TUV and UL testing was first done in 2008. This device does not appear that complicated. Must be a reliability or safety issue keeping it off the market. On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: Terawatt.com sure reminds me of Steorn.com T
Re: [Vo]:Superatoms
Yeah nice animations. To me it explains the higher reactivity of packing superatoms like Rydberg matter into voids that then behave like a Bose Einstein Condensate only at higher temperatures to create the amplified reactions seen in LENR+. My first swag at a calculation on my blog show that within a void of volume 2.18E-07 cm3 you can pack enough ultra high density Rydberg matter to satisfy the requirements for a micro-black hole at Planck mass. I think collapses can happen at lesser volumes/masses and do not necessarily need to end up as a micro black hole, just as a form of collapsed matter which then basically evaporates into one of these Bosanovas. The Rydberg or inverted Rydberg matter might continue to stick around in the void waiting for another collapse to be triggered as well as pulling in new atoms/participants. Of course you need to believe you can trigger the collapse within the void which should be coerced based upon alignment/concentration of charge (and possible resulting magnetic fields created within the voids) and diameter of the voids (hoop conjecture effect due to void radius) and the repulsion of the atoms within the lattice. I tend to believe the Zero Point Field is basically the result of quantum gravity collapsing matter and releasing radiation/heat - a quantum heat pump per se. Some of that radiation may not even be detectable as heat, ie. quarks, gluons, neutrinoes, etc. as the atoms are vaporized. So a heat/mass balance would be tricky.. Collapsed matter/micro-black holes can take in matter or energy in (they are not that selective) and always give you energy back in the form of radiation, just like their big brothers... Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/bosenova.cfm Vid on the sidebar. T
Re: [Vo]:Superatoms
Terry, It should. Steven Spielberg produced GREMLINS (I could not resist that) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremlins See, everything in the universe is making more sense now... Also, as I state in prediction #22 on my blog, the effect of this reaction creating bosanovas and lost Bosons at relatively normal earthly conditions is in fact Nature's way of evaporating all matter over time which also explains why the universe is expanding more rapidly since f=ma and matter is slowly vaporizing... Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This hypothesis of the lost bosons Sounds like the latest Spielberg production. T
Re: [Vo]:Superatoms
Hey, if you can build superatoms why not make the collapse and explode, triggering secondary fusion and fission reactions. I'm just say'n... *Form Of Matter Shows Ability To Collapse Explode* Led by CU-Boulder Distinguished Physics Professor Carl Wieman and NIST Senior Scientist Eric Cornell, the team created a material that shared a quantum state and behaved like a single superatom. JILA is a joint institute of CU-Boulder and NIST headquartered on campus. By tinkering with the magnetic fields, the researchers have been able to shrink the condensate, which is followed by a tiny explosion -- similar in some ways to a microscopic supernova explosion and which Wieman's team has dubbed a Bosenova. About half of the original atoms appear to vanish during the process, he said. He said Donley and the team have been able to thoroughly investigate the condensate behavior when the interactions suddenly are changed from being repulsive to strongly attractive. This is a particularly interesting regime because the physics equations that describe the condensate do not have stable solutions under these conditions, said Wieman. He likened the situation to the way the equations of gravity cannot be solved under the conditions where the gravitational attraction is so large that a black hole can form. In this paper, we report the first measurements of what happens to a condensate when the interactions suddenly are made attractive. The unexpected behavior included parts of the condensate shrinking down into small clumps and a sudden explosion of atoms flying out of the condensate, spewing more energy in one direction than another. Other observations included a fraction of the atoms simply disappearing from sight and a small, quivering condensate left behind as a result of the collapse, he said. http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20010619233230data_trunc_sys.shtml On Sunday, August 26, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: Gold can come in many colors. Since ancient times, glass artists and alchemists alike have known how to grind the metal into fine particles that would take on hues such as red or mauve. Carbon nanotubes are the same, different sizes shade water in different colors. At scales even smaller, clusters of just a few dozen atoms display even more outlandish behavior. Gold and other transition metals when combined with certain other atoms often tend to aggregate in specific numbers and highly symmetrical geometries, and sometimes these clusters can mimic the chemistry of single atoms of a completely different element. They become, as some researchers say, superatoms. Recently researchers have reported successes in creating new superatoms and deciphering their structures. In certain conditions, even familiar molecules such as buckyballs--the soccer-ball-shaped cages made of 60 carbon atoms—can unexpectedly turn into superatoms. Today at the cutting edge of science, researchers are already studying how superatoms bind to each other and to organic molecules. Tracking superatoms can help researchers learn how biological molecules move inside cells and tissues, or determine the structure of those molecules precisely using electron microscopes. And by assembling superatoms of elements such as gold, carbon, aluminum, titanium and tungsten researchers may soon be able to create entirely new materials. Such materials could store hydrogen fuel in solid form at room temperature, make more powerful rocket fuels or lead to computer chips with molecule-sized features. Designer materials made of superatoms could have combinations of physical properties that don't exist in nature. As Kit Bowen, a chemical physicist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, puts it, it's as if you felt like eating something hot and something cold at the same time, and could have it both ways. Like a hot-fudge sundae. Small numbers of atoms often form structures as symmetrical, and almost as intricate, as those of snowflakes. But while no two snowflakes, even if they have the same number of water molecules, are identical, a small, specific number of atoms of the same element typically will assemble into the same, specific shape. The quintessential example is how 60 carbon atoms form buckyballs. The strange behavior of atoms in small groupings has been known for a long time, though only recently have scientists begun to understand it in detail. The whole idea is that small is different, The physical properties of a material, such as hardness and color, are the same for a l-pound lump of the stuff as they are for a 100-ton chunk. But when you get to specks made of a few million atoms or less, properties usually begin to change. *A job for superatoms* For larger clusters, it's not always clear when atoms will aggregate into regular structures or into shapeless blobs with any number of atoms. For example, in clusters of gold atoms each cluster member donates an electron to the cluster, just as inside
Re: [Vo]:Superatoms
Jones, I like your description. I liken it to a hot condensate under extreme pressure and temperature within a void) If you relieve pressure quickly (structural failure of the lattice containing it) it might flash matter to achieve a new equilibrium. Just food for thought. On Sunday, August 26, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: Before getting too worked up over the superatom, remember that it may be a good metaphor for energy gain in condensed matter systems – but the superatom simply cannot be involved in the Rohner scam. ** ** BTW - even Stirling Allan is covering his backside on this scam and apparently now believes that the “pop” effect is due to strong eddy repulsion in a hidden aluminum ring. The plastic piston does not work without the ring, and you get the same pop without or without the special gas. Clever showmanship, but not gainful. ** ** Anyway – moving on to real physical anomalies – in order to create the required BEC phenomenon, these researchers cooled atoms to what is essentially absolute zero, and saw the lowest temperature ever achieved.** ** ** ** If they could have done it at higher temperature, they would have. ** ** It is also worth noting, in looking for correlates in the real world of energy systems, that although each hydrogen atom has spin ½, when they are a bound-pair in a Casimir cavity, they can act as a composite boson. Other factors in quantum magnetic alignment would indicate that a bound pair of protons is much easier to take to a “bosenova” state. IIRC, we on vortex coined that neologism long before these guys. Check the archives. ** ** Having said that – it is worth mentioning again in this context - the concept of “comperature” (introduced by F. Grimer). Comperature is a single variable which is an amalgam of pressure and temperature at the atomic level. These two properties should not be separated in the practical sense, as Boyle observed many years ago – and perhaps they cannot be truly separated at all. ** ** Hydrogen, which has been captured in the Casimir pores of a ferromagnetic metal at ambient - can experience the equivalent of absolute zero by having high effective over-voltage which is the same as extreme compression. At a loading of 1:1 in a metal matrix, the effective pressure is well over 10,000 bar, and the comperature would have an effective temperature equivalent to near absolute zero, even at ambient ‘normal’ temperature. It is not known how high the normal temperature can go to maintain Bose statistics in the bound and aligned pair. ** ** Jones
[Vo]:Superatoms
I agree, just one micro void collapse triggering a flash of ultra hot radiation as the condensate restabilizes or evaporates completely. The more voids of the correct size the more the effect is seen. The up pumping could be the added energy from quantum scale gravity further collapsing the Rydberg or other condensed matter in the void until their is a local void collapse to release the energy. We use gravity in the macro world as a pump for power generation, why not quantum gravity. In the macro world anytime you pump pressurized, hot condensate through an orifice you will flash heat on the low pressure side. The hot BEC/super atoms/matter might be flashing matter to radiation(hawking or similar) whenever the hot, compressed and collapsed BEC condensate within the enclosed void sees a drop in pressure/temp In order to trigger fusion you need intense radiation/heat in the millions of degrees. Evaporation of collapsed matter is one of the only ways of getting you there... Stewart On Sunday, August 26, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: Yes, Stewart – good point - and it does not have to be complete structural failure of the cavity. ** ** A former contributor here, Michel Julian, notoriously described this mechanism “the sphincter effect” … which is decidedly not food for thought. Whatever happened to Michel anyway? ** ** When a regular and insightful poster here drops out of view, one often wonders if they have caught a glimpse of the “grail” and are not ready to share it yet. ** ** Anyway – two protons in a Casimir cavity can get pumped up in some not-exactly nuclear fashion (time distortion, ZPE, or superatom repulsion, or whatever) and then when pushed through a pore wall, there will be a greatly enhanced acceleration gradient which is thermalized as the OU heat. ** ** Elegant … err … if we drop Michel’s descriptive terminology J ** ** ** ** *From:* ChemE Stewart ** ** Jones, ** ** I like your description. I liken it to a hot condensate under extreme pressure and temperature within a void) If you relieve pressure quickly (structural failure of the lattice containing it) it might flash matter to achieve a new equilibrium. Just food for thought. On Sunday, August 26, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: Before getting too worked up over the superatom, remember that it may be a good metaphor for energy gain in condensed matter systems – but the superatom simply cannot be involved in the Rohner scam. BTW - even Stirling Allan is covering his backside on this scam and apparently now believes that the “pop” effect is due to strong eddy repulsion in a hidden aluminum ring. The plastic piston does not work without the ring, and you get the same pop without or without the special gas. Clever showmanship, but not gainful. Anyway – moving on to real physical anomalies – in order to create the required BEC phenomenon, these researchers cooled atoms to what is essentially absolute zero, and saw the lowest temperature ever achieved.** ** If they could have done it at higher temperature, they would have. It is also worth noting, in looking for correlates in the real world of energy systems, that although each hydrogen atom has spin ½, when they are a bound-pair in a Casimir cavity, they can act as a composite boson. Other factors in quantum magnetic alignment would indicate that a bound pair of protons is much easier to take to a “bosenova” state. IIRC, we on vortex coined that neologism long before these guys. Check the archives. Having said that – it is worth mentioning again in this context - the concept of “comperature” (introduced by F. Grimer). Comperature is a single variable which is an amalgam of pressure and temperature at the atomic level. These two properties should not be separated in the practical sense, as Boyle observed many years ago – and perhaps they cannot be truly separated at all.
[Vo]:Superatoms
I agree, just one micro void collapse triggering a flash of ultra hot radiation as the condensate restabilizes or evaporates completely. The more voids of the correct size the more the effect is seen. The up pumping could be the added energy from quantum scale gravity further collapsing the Rydberg or other condensed matter in the void until their is a local void collapse to release the energy. We use gravity in the macro world as a pump for power generation, why not quantum gravity. In the macro world anytime you pump pressurized, hot condensate through an orifice you will flash heat on the low pressure side. The hot BEC/super atoms/matter might be flashing matter to radiation(hawking or similar) whenever the hot, compressed and collapsed BEC condensate within the enclosed void sees a drop in pressure/temp In order to trigger fusion you need intense radiation/heat in the millions of degrees. Evaporation of collapsed matter is one of the only ways of getting you there... On Sunday, August 26, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: Yes, Stewart – good point - and it does not have to be complete structural failure of the cavity. ** ** A former contributor here, Michel Julian, notoriously described this mechanism “the sphincter effect” … which is decidedly not food for thought. Whatever happened to Michel anyway? ** ** When a regular and insightful poster here drops out of view, one often wonders if they have caught a glimpse of the “grail” and are not ready to share it yet. ** ** Anyway – two protons in a Casimir cavity can get pumped up in some not-exactly nuclear fashion (time distortion, ZPE, or superatom repulsion, or whatever) and then when pushed through a pore wall, there will be a greatly enhanced acceleration gradient which is thermalized as the OU heat. ** ** Elegant … err … if we drop Michel’s descriptive terminology J ** ** ** ** *From:* ChemE Stewart ** ** Jones, ** ** I like your description. I liken it to a hot condensate under extreme pressure and temperature within a void) If you relieve pressure quickly (structural failure of the lattice containing it) it might flash matter to achieve a new equilibrium. Just food for thought. On Sunday, August 26, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: Before getting too worked up over the superatom, remember that it may be a good metaphor for energy gain in condensed matter systems – but the superatom simply cannot be involved in the Rohner scam. BTW - even Stirling Allan is covering his backside on this scam and apparently now believes that the “pop” effect is due to strong eddy repulsion in a hidden aluminum ring. The plastic piston does not work without the ring, and you get the same pop without or without the special gas. Clever showmanship, but not gainful. Anyway – moving on to real physical anomalies – in order to create the required BEC phenomenon, these researchers cooled atoms to what is essentially absolute zero, and saw the lowest temperature ever achieved.** ** If they could have done it at higher temperature, they would have. It is also worth noting, in looking for correlates in the real world of energy systems, that although each hydrogen atom has spin ½, when they are a bound-pair in a Casimir cavity, they can act as a composite boson. Other factors in quantum magnetic alignment would indicate that a bound pair of protons is much easier to take to a “bosenova” state. IIRC, we on vortex coined that neologism long before these guys. Check the archives. Having said that – it is worth mentioning again in this context - the concept of “comperature” (introduced by F. Grimer). Comperature is a single variable which is an amalgam of pressure and temperature at the atomic level. These two properties should not be separated in the practical sense, as Boyle observed many years ago – and perhaps they cannot be truly separated at all.
Re: [Vo]:Superatoms
The experiments led by Randall Hulet at Rice University from 1995 through 2000 showed that lithium condensates with attractive interactions could stably exist, but only up to a certain critical atom number. Beyond this critical number, the attraction overwhelmed the zero-point energy of the harmonic confining potential, causing the condensate to collapse in a burst reminiscent of a supernova explosion where an explosion is preceded by an implosion. By quench cooling the gas of lithium atoms, they observed the condensate to first grow, and subsequently collapse when the critical number was exceeded. When the JILA team raised the magnetic field strength still further, the condensate suddenly reverted back to attraction, imploded and shrank beyond detection, and then exploded, expelling off about two-thirds of its 10,000 or so atoms. About half of the atoms in the condensate seemed to have disappeared from the experiment altogether, not being seen either in the cold remnant or the expanding gas cloud.[13]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose%E2%80%93Einstein_condensate#cite_note-nobel-12 Carl Wieman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Wieman explained that under current atomic theory this characteristic of Bose–Einstein condensate could not be explained because the energy state of an atom near absolute zero should not be enough to cause an implosion; however, subsequent mean field theories have been proposed to explain it. The atoms that seem to have disappeared almost certainly still exist in some form, just not in a form that could be accounted for in that experiment. Most likely they formed molecules consisting of two bonded rubidium atoms.[20]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose%E2%80%93Einstein_condensate#cite_note-19 The energy gained by making this transition imparts a velocity sufficient for them to leave the trap without being detected. Quantum gravitational triggered explosion/evaporation of matter triggering intense supernova level heat triggering secondary fusion and fission events in nearby matter? I realize temperatures are much lower but within a compressed void the external pressures are much higher... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose–Einstein_condensate On Sunday, August 26, 2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: I agree, just one micro void collapse triggering a flash of ultra hot radiation as the condensate restabilizes or evaporates completely. The more voids of the correct size the more the effect is seen. The up pumping could be the added energy from quantum scale gravity further collapsing the Rydberg or other condensed matter in the void until their is a local void collapse to release the energy. We use gravity in the macro world as a pump for power generation, why not quantum gravity. In the macro world anytime you pump pressurized, hot condensate through an orifice you will flash heat on the low pressure side. The hot BEC/super atoms/matter might be flashing matter to radiation(hawking or similar) whenever the hot, compressed and collapsed BEC condensate within the enclosed void sees a drop in pressure/temp In order to trigger fusion you need intense radiation/heat in the millions of degrees. Evaporation of collapsed matter is one of the only ways of getting you there... Stewart On Sunday, August 26, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: Yes, Stewart – good point - and it does not have to be complete structural failure of the cavity. ** ** A former contributor here, Michel Julian, notoriously described this mechanism “the sphincter effect” … which is decidedly not food for thought. Whatever happened to Michel anyway? ** ** When a regular and insightful poster here drops out of view, one often wonders if they have caught a glimpse of the “grail” and are not ready to share it yet. ** ** Anyway – two protons in a Casimir cavity can get pumped up in some not-exactly nuclear fashion (time distortion, ZPE, or superatom repulsion, or whatever) and then when pushed through a pore wall, there will be a greatly enhanced acceleration gradient which is thermalized as the OU heat. ** ** Elegant … err … if we drop Michel’s descriptive terminology J ** ** ** ** *From:* ChemE Stewart ** ** Jones, ** ** I like your description. I liken it to a hot condensate under extreme pressure and temperature within a void) If you relieve pressure quickly (structural failure of the lattice containing it) it might flash matter to achieve a new equilibrium. Just food for thought. On Sunday, August 26, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: Before getting too worked up over the superatom, remember that it may be a good metaphor for energy gain in condensed matter systems – but the superatom simply cannot be involved in the Rohner scam.
Re: [Vo]:It's fission
Nuclear fusion-fission hybrid In contrast to current commercial fission reactors, hybrid reactors potentially demonstrate what is considered inherently safehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherently_safe behavior because they remain deeply subcriticalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subcritical under all conditions and decay heat removal is possible via passive mechanisms. The fission is driven by neutrons provided by fusion ignition events, and is consequently not self-sustaining. If the fusion process is deliberately shut off or the process is disrupted by a mechanical failure, the fission damps out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damping and stops nearly instantly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion-fission_hybrid On Saturday, August 25, 2012, Harry Veeder wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: encrusted protons? Hairy protons, Harry. Shaved for energy. T things you can do with a beard http://youtu.be/u2vZUsL6OOA harry
Re: [Vo]:It's fission
*Two-stage thermonuclear weaponshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teller%E2%80%93Ulam_design * are essentially a chain of fusion-boosted fission weapons... On Saturday, August 25, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 7:16 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Nuclear fusion-fission hybrid Didn't we make a bomb like that? -Hohlraum
Re: [Vo]:It's fission
Latest photo of Rossi fat_cat_man... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Fat_man.jpg On Saturday, August 25, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 7:43 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Two-stage thermonuclear weapons are essentially a chain of fusion-boosted fission weapons... Hybrid cars are essentially electrically-boosted gasoline vehicles. I think of thermonukes as fission-triggered fusion weapons, at least in the Teller-Ulam design. Who knows what's really out there. T
Re: [Vo]:It's fission
If anybody asks that is a fan on the back blowing the heat away. He is still working on some stability criticality issues... On Saturday, August 25, 2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: Latest photo of Rossi fat_cat_man... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Fat_man.jpg On Saturday, August 25, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 7:43 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Two-stage thermonuclear weapons are essentially a chain of fusion-boosted fission weapons... Hybrid cars are essentially electrically-boosted gasoline vehicles. I think of thermonukes as fission-triggered fusion weapons, at least in the Teller-Ulam design. Who knows what's really out there. T
Re: [Vo]:It's fission
So the plasma engine is a rail gun? http://pesn.com/2012/08/24/9602167_Noble_Gas_Plasma_or_Aluminum_Ring_Electromagnet/ On Saturday, August 25, 2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: If anybody asks that is a fan on the back blowing the heat away. He is still working on some stability criticality issues... On Saturday, August 25, 2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: Latest photo of Rossi fat_cat_man... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Fat_man.jpg On Saturday, August 25, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 7:43 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Two-stage thermonuclear weapons are essentially a chain of fusion-boosted fission weapons... Hybrid cars are essentially electrically-boosted gasoline vehicles. I think of thermonukes as fission-triggered fusion weapons, at least in the Teller-Ulam design. Who knows what's really out there. T
Re: [Vo]:video: An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms
I agree with Frank. I will only add that a local STRONG QUANTUM GRAVITATIONAL FORCE can also red-shift any energy that escapes its grasp, resulting in weak radiation to outside observers. It also has the advantage of creating collective, high energy blue-shifted radiation near the SOURCE of quantum gravity that can take down local coulomb barriers of atoms that happen by. This is number 7 on my list of predictions from revision 12 of my theory. Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Ed's theory can not explain the lack of radiation. The ONLY way a nuclear reaction can proceed without producing radiation is in the case where the range of the strong nuclear force exceeds that of the coulombic. Ed start by assuming that the range of the force fields is not a conserved property. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Ruby r...@hush.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:40 am Subject: [Vo]:video: An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms I have uploaded an interview with Edmund Storms on his new theory of what starts the cold fusion reaction. http://coldfusionnow.org/an-explanation-of-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-cold-fusion-by-edmund-storms/ I'll be on the road, in my truck, headed to the Bay area (San Francisco California region for you non-left-coasters) for another interview, then up to Humboldt County to visit my storage unit (next to Hiro's), camp out in the Redwoods and edit lots more video. As such, I won't be monitoring comments on Cold Fusion Now, and I'm going to send any individuals interested in discussing the work here to this thread. Is that illegal on Vortex? I am having alot of fun making these videos. Especially now that I've discovered the Zoom text on iMovie. Enjoy! -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:If You Liked Segway
I guess even though it might me simpler just having three wheels, a tricycle will not attract babes like at the end of the video... On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You will love Lit: http://litmotors.com/ albeit, a bit more expensive. T Stewart
Re: [Vo]:ECAT Model with Interesting Correlations
Dave, I started my career with Honeywell in industrial controls so I understand your viewpoint and agree. The bugger becomes that if this reaction is triggering local fission, fusion and high temperature chemical events (as it appears to be from a wide range of data) it will most likely degrade and collapse over time any lattice material/matter within its local environment. Thus the RELIABILITY and STABILITY issue. I predict any local collapse within a void/crack/lattice may instantly shift the reactions to a new thermodynamic equilibrium point. I am not sure there is ANY material in the universe that can withstand this combination of reactions over time. If the energy source happens to be related to collapsed matter we should learn from nature, isolate it within magnetic and gravitational fields and feed it a steady dose of hydrogen and you will get a steady source of high temperature red-shifted black-body type radiation out. Sounds easy.. Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: OK, I played a bit more with the model to see if this sort of behavior was demonstrated. Actually it was relatively easy to incorporate a mechanism that did the trick. I reviewed the picture of the Rossi test cylinder and realized that the surface of the device was radiating the heat that was being generated within. This implied a forth order energy release mechanism due to the blackbody radiation equation. I added a heat energy sink that absorbed the output in proportion to the forth power of the absolute temperature and adjusted the second order term that I had established earlier in the model to compensate for interaction and things got interesting. First of all, there remains performance as before where a well defined self sustaining temperature is reached. If the drive is of my original description, where the temperature is driven to within 90 % of the critical run away value, then it can be totally controlled by duty cycle of the drive mechanism. This makes perfect sense since operation is below the critical region. If the input is allowed to remain for long enough in the drive mode, the device temperature will reach the self sustaining trigger point. From this point onward, the output heat energy increases exponentially due to the positive feedback that we are so familiar with until an output level is reached that remains stationary. The stationary level is established at the temperature where the forth order radiation energy sink exactly matches the second order (in this model) energy release source. Of course the drive signal is taken away at some point in the procedure just to demonstrate that the device operates in a self sustaining mode. This effect is consistent with the real world ECAT as described by Rossi. So, to design a device such as the ECAT, one needs to have a curve that defines the internally generated heat energy as a function of the device temperature. He then must establish an operating temperature such as 1000 C that is determined by the requirements for the unit. At this time, the blackbody radiation rules will lead to a calculatible energy density being removed from the surface. Next, you adjust the surface area that is to be set at 1000 C by working on the dimensions of the device until a match is achieved. I believe that this process could be used to establish the amount of active material that contributes to the desired energy release. One could adjust the inside hole dimensions as a method of reducing the nickel mixture until exactly the correct amount of material is reached. A secondary use for the hole is to allow introduction of gas heating to initialize the reaction. Please recall that my model is very speculative and an interesting exercise. I do not imply that it is accurate in any way, but the correlation to the real world behavior of ECAT devices might have significance. Enjoy, Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 9:07 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:ECAT Model with Interesting Correlations Nice model Dave. Now, try it if the output temperature remains steady at 1200C as Rossi claims. This implies very little positive feedback. What COP would he achieve? Jojo - Original Message - *From:* David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2012 7:54 AM *Subject:* [Vo]:ECAT Model with Interesting Correlations I have been fiddling with one of my models of the ECAT and just wanted to let the group have a peek. Rossi has been active on his journal and suggested that his device has certain characteristics which my model tends to support. It should be noted that any model of Rossi's device is going to be lacking at this point in time since very little reliable information is available.
Re: [Vo]:IRH = DDL = Dark Matter
It depends upon your calculation of the strength of quantum gravity and the number of additional dimensions of spacetime it acts upon. The blue-shifted collective radiation surrounding the surface of the collapsed matter will be more than enough to take down a nearby coulomb barrier. A 22 microgram black hole is predicted to have a local temperature as high as 5.6×1032 K . It only takes 40 million degrees to trigger fusion, not a problem for one of these guys. You definitely would not want to lock horns with one of these buggers if they do not evaporate completely. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:36 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:22:57 -0400: Hi, [snip] Gremlins come in different colors: Brown dwarf ~ Brown Gremlin White dwarf ~ White Gremiln Black hole ~.Black Gremlin Micro black hole ~ Invisible Gremlin The smaller they are the more elusive and more trouble they cause in their surroundings. For the gravitational field of an Invisible Gremlin with a single positive charge to be strong enough to attract another proton against the repulsive Coulomb force, it would need to have a mass in excess of 2 billion kg. Such a gremlin would have a Schwarzschild radius = 3E-3 fm (hundreds of times smaller than a proton), exerting a pressure of 2 billion kgf / Pi*SR^2 = 1E41 psi on the containment. Perhaps needless to say, it's going to be impossible to hang on to one. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
