why NASA uses
Pu-238 with a thermoelectric couple for space probes IMHO.
Bob
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From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature
hot-cat Lugano demo
If the LENR reaction suffers from thermal runaway then the best means for
cooling is a coolant fluid slightly below the target temperature. Eg
1180°C coolant and 1200°C running temp so raising temp to 1240°C would then
triple cooling rate, so 'clamping' the temperature. A lithium heat pipe
would
: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 16, 2014 1:32 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the large tubes
I am pretty sure these endcaps are just mechanical supports for the hot
tube in the middle. They are large alumina outer rings that have been
filled with a cast-able refractory insulation such as a Vitcast 1200 INS or
Vitcast 1400 INS-H. They insulate the mounting apparatus from the hot
16 octobre 2014 17:05
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature
hot-cat Lugano demo
I am pretty sure these endcaps are just mechanical supports for the hot
tube in the middle. They are large alumina outer rings that have been
filled
I believe the ends are completely sealed with a compound like the Vitcast
1400 INS-H. I also think the space between the inner and radiating tube is
probably filled with this same compound. You don't want air flowing in
there in case there are cracks in the alumina adhesive put over the heater
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From: Arnaud Kodeck
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature
hot-cat Lugano demo
Bob,
Just a thought. I'm not an expert of magnetic confinement
:10 AM
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temperature hot-cat Lugano demo
Bob,
Just a thought. I’m not an expert of magnetic confinement of plasma. But,
the « encaps » might contain a proper wires configuration to close the
rotating magnetic field formed
arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be
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Bob,
Just a thought. I’m not an expert of magnetic confinement of plasma. But,
the « encaps » might contain
--
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*Sent:* jeudi 16 octobre 2014 17:05
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temperature hot-cat Lugano demo
I am pretty sure these endcaps are just mechanical supports for the hot
tube
16, 2014 8:10 AM
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temperature hot-cat Lugano demo
Bob,
Just a thought. I’m not an expert of magnetic confinement of plasma. But,
the « encaps » might contain a proper wires configuration to close the
rotating magnetic field
[mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: jeudi 16 octobre 2014 19:00
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hot-cat Lugano demo
Seems to me that at the temperatures we are talking about (1000C) that bulk
magnetic effects are probably out
2014 19:00
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temperature hot-cat Lugano demo
Seems to me that at the temperatures we are talking about (1000C) that
bulk magnetic effects are probably out of the question. A plasma of Li
would
2014 22:31
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature
hot-cat Lugano demo
I think we are describing pretty much the same thing. Only I don't believe
there is anything but refractory castable insulation in the large diameter
support cylinders
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temperature hot-cat Lugano demo
I think we are describing pretty much the same thing. Only I don't
believe there is anything but refractory castable insulation in the large
diameter support cylinders
that it was an oscillating
phenomenon inside the eCat.
_
From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: jeudi 16 octobre 2014 22:51
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature
hot-cat Lugano demo
I don't think
.
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*Sent:* jeudi 16 octobre 2014 22:51
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
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I don't think there was anything this fancy in Rossi's original eCats. He
had
I wrote:
The following is a bit speculative, but perhaps someone can correct any
misstatements I make -- if there is a magnetic field being created by the
cables coiling around the tube [1], I believe the field would point along
the axis of the tube, creating a theta pinch, even if only
Highly doubtful. Above curie temperture of Nickel so no ferromagnetism,
and powder too microscopic hot resistivity too high, and AC frequency,
current and number of windings too low for strong magnetic fields or
significant eddy currents to form and give push via lenzs law.
On 15 October 2014
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
Highly doubtful. Above curie temperture of Nickel so no ferromagnetism,
and powder too microscopic hot resistivity too high
I assume, then, that magnetic domains and the curie temperature are not
relevant.
I just suggested the following as the construction of the latest hotCat to
MFMP:
Here is a section drawing of the end of the new hotCat as I see it (
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2WXBNRjE2bDVVT1U/view?usp=sharing
). I believe IH would have used as many off-the-shelf components as
One detail is how does the e-cat work when in after-death mode (SSM).
One mystery for me is the powder not to melt, hotter and the around...
I feel E-cat are very well engineered... we can be surpised like physicists
were by felischmanpons calorimeter...
2014-10-15 18:24 GMT+02:00 Bob Higgins
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hot-cat Lugano demo
I just suggested the following as the construction of the latest hotCat to
MFMP:
Here is a section drawing of the end of the new hotCat as I
...@gmail.com
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I just suggested the following as the construction of the latest hotCat to
MFMP:
Here is a section drawing
You Alan have done an amazing job sleuthing out the details of this
thing. I suppose you are right, although I cannot tell. If you are right it
is a great job and if you are wrong you have a vivid imagination!
- Jed
Me too, good job. Tube in a tube reminds of the model rockets I used to
build. Fin supports between tubes might explain the wider dark band seen
as a spiral?. Do you think a lot of the heat might be discharged in a
space between tubes and out the ends? Or are the ends completely sealed?
On
I believe the ends, between the central tube and the outer 2 cm hot tube,
are filled in with a refractory cement. In fact, that whole space, and
maybe not the ends could be filled in to help improve the thermal
conductivity. Most importantly it should keep out the air that could
oxidize the
From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:08:42 AM
Me too, good job. Tube in a tube reminds of the model rockets I used to
build. Fin supports between tubes might explain the wider dark band seen as a
spiral?. Do you think a lot of the heat might be
These might be pretty similar to Rossi's setup. (Google Superthal smu)
Superthal heating modules
Prefabricated heating modules consisting of vacuum-formed ceramic fibre
with an integral Kanthal Super molybdenum-disilicide (MoSi2) heating
element for up to 1750°C (3180°F) element temperature.
such units are not made as 3 phase helically wound assemblies, MoSi2 is
non-ductile/brittle and very difficult to make and even worse to bond to,
and there is still the unanswered problem of how do you bond inconel wire
that can survive only to 1350°C to an insulated heating element that is
I wrote:
I assume, then, that magnetic domains and the curie temperature are not
relevant. I'm thinking more along the lines of metal vapor and partially
ionized nickel and iron atoms and particles, which will carry some amount
of electric charge.
Note that as the temperature rises, the
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
I believe the large tubes on the end to be thermally insulating supports
for the hot central 2 cm tube.
A question that came to me was whether the alumina endcaps could be
replaced with metal endcaps of a suitable
Robert, I think a lot of your observations are spot on. I would like to
continue discussion of the likely construction of the latest IH hotCat.
You are likely correct that the corrosion of liquid and vapor phase lithium
would be terrible for use of a metal reactor vessel. That is probably why
I agree the coil is imbedded within the alumina shell
Maybe the end caps are heat sinks?
I still think the unit works off induction from the coil
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Robert, I think a lot of your observations are spot on. I would
See my thread: Super-fluidic heat flow
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Robert, I think a lot of your observations are spot on. I would like to
continue discussion of the likely construction of the latest IH hotCat.
You are likely correct that
The caps must be resistant to hydrogen exfiltration, i.e. not sintered. Is
there some mention in the test report that says that the outer alumina tube
is hydrogen proof? Does it say that the outer tube is sintered alumina?
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
paths.
Dave
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature
hot-cat Lugano demo
Robert, I think a lot of your observations
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Another point has to do with how the heat is conveyed from a LENR
reaction. Since the LENR reaction is likely a nano-scale event, heat must
be conveyed from the reaction in a way that doesn't make the NAE the
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:21 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Can we refocus this thread into discussion about the construction of the
latest reactor? For example:
- Why do we think the end
In the steady state, I don't think the reaction powder will be any cooler
than the vessel. If the photons are absorbed in the vessel and the vessel
heats, the surrounding vessel will radiate, conduct, and convect heat back
to the powder which will drive it to be the same temperature as the
This theory is based on the fact that heat is assumed to come from the
nickel particles. I believe that heat comes from the alumina and the Ni
particles provide field emitters to cause fusion at a distance far from the
nickel particles.
The Ni particles might be located in the coolest part of the
Use of 3 ph. power is not really a mystery. Most industrial equipment
is 3 ph. and each leg must be kept in balance with the others. This
is easiest with 3 ph. delta configs.
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Why do we think the 3-phase drive is used?
I'm guessing this has to do with an induction mode, perhaps creating a
condition not unlike a microwave inside the E-Cat, with electric arcing
between the various iron and
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Why do we think the end caps are so big? Are they part of a lower
temperature insulated mounting system?
The following is a bit speculative, but perhaps someone can correct any
misstatements I make -- if there is a
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
... eg if Ø20mm outer wall is at 1200°C (approx max given revised COP of
around 2 from temp reading that is obviously in error due to non-melting of
inconel, though could be significantly lower)
I've taken a
-
From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature
hot-cat Lugano demo
if there was an inner metal cylinder to contain reactants (particularly
insanely
did not rossi already answer that question, by saying that the conductor
inside were not so trivial...
doped conductor he says...
we should be careful not to take unfounded assumption, then deduce false
things from that...
maybe is it more simple to start from the instruments and guess how it is
-Max average Ecat temp recorded in test 1412°C, 2.8kW heat output.
- 20mm diameter, 200mm long, thermal conductivity of alumina 6W/m/K at
1400°C means for 1mm wall thickness would have 40°C through-wall temp
differential, for 2mm would be 80°C.
-So assuming 1mm wall thickness (probably
Some questions on the thermography:
Did they do thermography on all sides or only from front? If so how do we
know that there wasn't some insulation internal to the alumina that
restricted the heat output from the sides + bottom that were not recorded?
The tube radiation would have heated the
If Robert’s points were not devastating enough, there is more.
From Ahern: “The calibrations stopped at 500C for a foolish if not deceptive
reason… blackbody radiation was absorbed by the alumina to a greater extent
at lower temperatures. If the power was increased to achieve temperatures of
1200
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Andrea Rossi who gradually brought it to the power level requested by us.
Rossi later intervened to switch off the dummy, and in the following
subsequent operations on the E-Cat.” (from page 6 of the original, before
being edited out)
It has not been
Jed,
Whether you realize it or not - you are sounding hugely hypocritical –
especially based on the way you slimed DGT with far less evidence of
misconduct, based on Kim’s report
… and yet now, with almost overwhelming evidence that this report is bogus,
contrived, and not independent in any
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Whether you realize it or not - you are sounding hugely hypocritical –
especially based on the way you slimed DGT with far less evidence of
misconduct, based on Kim’s report
I have never discussed Kim's report. I do not understand it. Perhaps you
mean
From: Jed Rothwell
You, Ahern, and the other skeptics have not addressed the reasons why a large
mistake with the IR camera is unlikely. So I assume you have no rebuttal. Until
you do respond I will assume the issue is settled and there is no problem.
Are you blind – or you are not
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
You, Ahern, and the other skeptics have not addressed the reasons why a
large mistake with the IR camera is unlikely. So I assume you have no
rebuttal. Until you do respond I will assume the issue is settled and there
is no problem.
Are you blind –
Let’s keep an open mind and use logic as a powerful probe of the Rossi
reactor.
Robert’s analysis is a good one and it points to some contradictions
between valid everyday engineering assumptions and the processes that are
going on inside of the reactor. These factors are hard to reconcile. But
I wrote:
The actual temperature would be around 750 deg C (based on the
calibration). The incandescent portions would show up as much more than
1400 deg C. Anyone can see that is impossible.
I mean anyone can see that a real temperature difference on that scale is
impossible. I am not
During the discussion about the first TIP, at energikatalysatorn there was
a huge stir about the applicability of using a heat camera to validate the
output energy until
a heat camera expert enter the discussion and although he was skeptical of
the final result, said and explained thoroughly that
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
If the camera had been calibrated to 1400 C instead of 500 C it would have
shown the same ~3.5 OU on the dummy load as was later seen on the active
load!
If this is true, it should be easy enough for someone to arrange a
Fig 12b. page 26. Only just notice that they say they are inconel
resistance wires. But how can the resistor wire, external to the reactor,
glow more brightly than the reactor itself (implying it is hotter)? Also
if the reactor external surface is at 1250-1410°C, then on top of the
30-50°C
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
There is also a mistake in their discussion for these figures, the metal
resistors within the reactor would necessarily have to be hotter than the
reactor itself if they are to be able to output heat into the
How do we know that iti s resistive heating that is taking place? Bob
Greenyer at MFMP sugested that it is an inductive heater this means that
the wires
get a bit cooler then the heated core.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
Fig 12b. page 26.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
This reactor is mostly nickel droplets in lithium gas (the hydrogen will
all diffuse away through porous sintered alumina rapidly at such high
temperatures, but perhaps is useful to create reducing conditions
inductive heating only works on conductive materials with sufficient
thickness/area through which the changing magnetic flux passes to allow
eddy currents to form. With 150Hz pulses Nickel particles of tiny scale
would not be affected (like thin motor laminates) - it would only work to
heat a
Yes but in that case the core can be hotter then the cables. We don't know
about the powder, and the changes of magnetic fields inside the core could
stir the powder around and by changing that behavior you might end up
controlling the reaction rate. Also inductive heating of an inner
containing
they dropped the powder in through a hole and then sealed it with alumina
refractory glue around a metal thermocouple (why are its readings not
reported???). Apart from the fact that the 'glue' would have residual
porosity that would probably help vent all hydrogen at high temp that is
pretty
far above curie limit for Ni, magnetic fields won't move powder
magnetically, only ions, but temps are too low for significant Li or H ions
to exist, and no ionising radiation sources in evidence.
On 13 October 2014 00:49, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com
wrote:
Yes but in that
The tubercles on the nickel powder function to ionize the hydrogen using
dipole motion induced by heat.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Robert Lynn
robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
far above curie limit for Ni, magnetic fields won't move powder
magnetically, only ions, but temps are
There are also iron particles in the fuel mix that might support inductive
heating local to the fuel mix. Inductive heating might result in the
primary heater wire being colder than the fuel charge thus casting a darker
shadow that we see in the pictures of the reactor in operation. I like the
Rossi has said that he uses AC current in the heater and that DC current
does not work. This might indicate 50 or 50 CPS AC current is used to
induce heat in plasma and/or iron.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
There are also iron particles in the fuel mix
50 or 50 CPS AC current
should read
50 or 60 cycle AC current
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi has said that he uses AC current in the heater and that DC current
does not work. This might indicate 50 or 50 CPS AC current is used to
induce heat in
Robert I think you make good points, not sure what the inner cylinder is
made of and I guess that if it is metal it has to be thin in order
to not show up on the weight. There is also the possiblity that eddi
current's heat the cyllinder at high temps but then can we keep the
wires cold. Also,
inductive heating works based on the area of the conductive loop cut by the
changing magnetic field, the rate of change of the magnetic field and the
conductivity of the material. Consequently microscopic powder made with
high resistivity hot iron/nickel will have extremely weak response to any
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
Apart from the fact that the 'glue' would have residual porosity that
would probably help vent all hydrogen at high temp that is pretty strong
indicator that there is no refractory metal shell in there to
There is still the evidences that ther is a coil and that rossi has the
powder in a varying magnetic field. He could use the wires both as
resistive heating and
controlling the reaction rate, maybe, maybe because you can stir it using
localized magnetic fields stemming from this very strange
It is said that Rossi uses a magnetic field to startup the E-Cat. Could
this be a large infusion of inductive heat supported by aluminum or lithium
aluminum?
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe
stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote:
There is still the evidences that ther is a coil
if there was an inner metal cylinder to contain reactants (particularly
insanely leak-prone hydrogen at high temperatures) then it would be sealed
by welding not half assed approaches like alumina glue. Until you have
worked with hydrogen (I worked with stirling engines containing hydrogen)
it is
This method of sealing and the fact that the reactor is not purged of air
means that the hydrogen is bound in a solid as a hydride at all times to
metals in the reactor most likely aluminum or lithium.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
if there
Activated alumina is a porous, granular substance that is used as a
substrate for catalysts and as an adsorbent for removing water from gases
and liquids. Smelter-grade alumina accounts for 90 percent of all alumina
produced; it is transported to aluminum plants, where it is electrolyzed
into
Ok I agree, then they did not optimize on any unfourtunate transparancy
effect. So to conclude
* You can see the fins having the same temperature at the upper profile as
the bulk meaning that any transparance light
in that region is the same maxima superimposed - hard to explain an 3.5 cop
there
I wrote:
An observer there for the opening reported no such refractory shell (though
might be under NDA).
Can you elaborate on this detail? Is it a CMNS thing?
I'm strongly inclined to think there's an inner cylinder that slides within
the body of the reactor. Otherwise the diamond saw
From: Eric Walker
Jones has also alluded to secret knowledge that there is an ampule (perhaps
from Brian Ahern).
Whoa… this is vortex guesswork, not secret, and was supplied by someone else
here as being the best if not only way to avoid the hydrogen diffusion problem,
the air
I like Eric's link to Al2O3 as a diffusion barrier for H2
Diffusion Barrier to Oxygen and Hydrogen
This process is unique because the processed alpha-Al2O3 molecules are
FULLY OXIDIZED molecules with ORDERED STRUCTURES. The alpha-Al2O3 oxide
structure, once formed, serves as a nearly perfect
Jones wrote: A pyrometer is the only way to test high temperature
accurately. The IR is completely deficient in this situation. Ahern was
doing this kind of testing as far back as when Rossi was operating the
etrodragon scam.
Not true. A type B platinum thermocouple is highly accurate in the
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature
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Fig 12b. page 26. Only just notice that they say
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 12:49 pm
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Yes but in that case the core can be hotter then the cables. We
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Fig 12b. page 26. Only just notice that they say they are inconel
resistance wires. But how can
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Right, if the reaction/core is producing the heat and not the wires.
On Sunday, October 12, 2014, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
, 2014 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature
hot-cat Lugano demo
if there was an inner metal cylinder to contain reactants (particularly
insanely leak-prone hydrogen at high temperatures) then it would be sealed by
welding not half assed approaches like
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
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if there was an inner metal cylinder to contain reactants
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