Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
It really doesn't matter what their velocities are, if enough for those
that arrive and get trapped in the Faraday cup collector charge a 0.1
picofarad
.
Fred
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From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: 4/14/2006 5:22:38 PM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
If no such charge or current is detected, then gravity attracts
electrons.
No Fred I disagree
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
Michel Jullian wrote.
I am not going to fight with you, as I said it is YOUR thought experiment
-Original Message-
From: Frederick Sparber
If there is any qualitative indication that gravity repels electrons,
verification
would mandate the eperiments that you suggest.
In your gedanken, how would you distinguish between the action of
gravity and possible electrostatic
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From: Frederick Sparber
Inside a metal tube and shielded test equipment, Terry? 0.5 gauss B
field
was considered.
Shielded? Grounded?
FS: The fair weather field is Positive wrt. the earth, ~ 120
volts/meter at
sea level.
Yes, but the
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
Michel Jullian writes.
Ingenious! (Faraday cup and saucer, indeed ;)
Very British for tea, what? :-)
For electrons slow enough not to produce secondary emission I would
have
thought
/2006 5:28:36 AM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
Michel wrote.
Measuring the time-of-flight of the electrons from flash to detection
at the top/electrometer to determine/prove gravity repulsion might be
a
chore
You're right Fred, what would be needed
?
Fred
Michel
P.S. Nice applet indeed!
P.P.S. No I know nothing about vacuum tubes (was born in 57)
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
Michel Jullian writes.
Ingenious! (Faraday cup and saucer, indeed ;)
Very British for tea, what? :-)
For electrons slow enough not to produce secondary emission I would
have
thought a simpler collecting device, not a hollow one
Michel Jullian wrote.
From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:27 PM
The S1 (Cs-CsO- on Ag) Photoemissive surface is the one with the
photon peaks at ~ 330 and ~ 800 nanometers with a threshold of about
1254
nm (1.0 eV IR)
Cr YAG Laser?
[Original Message]
From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: 4/14/2006 8:13:27 AM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
Michel Jullian wrote.
From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:27 PM
?
One could do this once with tube 1 on top, and once with tube 2 on top, to
ascertain the effect is gravitational.
Michel
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton
Michel Jullian wrote.
IOW, neglect the high velocity stuff (easy to do electronically)
and look for detection after at least 0.3 seconds delay.
I don't get it, what's wrong with the volunteers as you call them, aren't
they submitted to gravity too?
Yes, but, discerning a few
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
Michel Jullian wrote.
IOW, neglect the high velocity stuff (easy to do electronically)
and look
One Microvolt in experimental error means 593 meters/second
delta v in electron velocity. No?
I vote for a vacuum version of Stokes' upward aerosol settling velocity.
:-)
Fred
Michel Jullian wrote:
Not that complicated !
If there is a gravity repulsion force on
any residual electrons
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
One Microvolt in experimental error means 593 meters/second
delta v in electron velocity. No?
Er
Michel Jullian wrote:
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
One Microvolt in experimental error means 593 meters/second
delta v
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
Michel Jullian wrote:
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED
Starting from scratch, Michel.
Attractive forces acting on the electron at or near the earth's surface.
1, At the Bohr Radius 8.24e-8 newton
2, Attached to an H2O molecule 6.4e-11 newtons
3, The earth's fair weather field 2.0e-17 newtons
4, The earth's gravity fieldattractive 8.9e-30 newtons,
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From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: 4/14/2006 5:22:38 PM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
If no such charge or current is detected, then gravity attracts
electrons.
No Fred I disagree with your conclusion, there could
Michel Jullian writes.
Ingenious! (Faraday cup and saucer, indeed ;)
Very British for tea, what? :-)
For electrons slow enough not to produce secondary emission I would have
thought a simpler collecting device, not a hollow one, would work: a grid
surrounding a solid conductor, the latter
Hal Puthoff's relevant papers on the subject:
Apparently they haven't kept up on Electrogravity Experiments.
http://www.space-mixing-theory.com/article2.pdf
Polarizable Vacuum:
http://www.earthtech.org/publications/PV_Found_of_Physics.pdf
Effects:
at
this.
Strictly Thought Experiments, Michel :-)
Fred
Michel
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
A 2 meter tall
AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
Fred Sparber wrote:
Why/how Fred? (just curious on how one can measure any gravity effect at
all, upward or downward, on an electron)
A theory without an experiment to test it isn't worth much. Einstein won
Keith wrote:
Hi Michel,
Actually, Fred has some difficulties that make it hard for
him to do experiments ( much like the space shuttle, he
runs on LOX ).
Yep, about 130 pounds/week as 4 liter/minute O2 gas at this 5,456 ft
altitude
since Nov 2,000 except on the rare days that a heavy
6:52 PM
Subject: RE: Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
Keith wrote:
Hi Michel,
Actually, Fred has some difficulties that make it hard for
him to do experiments ( much like the space shuttle, he
runs on LOX ).
Yep, about 130 pounds/week as 4 liter/minute O2 gas at this 5,456 ft
: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: Re; Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
At the Bohr Radius (R) = 5.29e-11 meters the Electrostatic Attraction
force (F) between the proton and electron is k*q1*q2/R^2 = 8.23e-8
Michel Jullian wrote:
Fred wrote:
I rest my case and turn to frogs jumping out of the Grand Canyon (1600
meter spot)
which requires mgh ~ = 8,000 nt-meters (or joules) for a 1/2 kg
frog with great legs. :-)
A frog this fat will never jump this high ;)
Michel
Only if it could
FWIW, Michel.
The sudden disappearance of craft in encounters-sightings implys that when
a certain vacuum energy density is reached, the craft passes through
a "space-time portal" into another dimension and then pops back out again
at some distance giving an observer the illusion that they are
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: Re; Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
FWIW, Michel.
The sudden disappearance of craft in encounters-sightings implys that when
a certain vacuum
Michel writes:
I am sure reaching a certain ethanol density can have similar effects on
the
observer ;)
Terry doesn't partake of the spirits Michel. :-)
Thanks for the nice Twain extract, but the quoted paper refers distinctly
to
fair and square jumping on a dead level, which can be of
-Original Message-
From: Frederick Sparber
If this true, an Electrogravity Levitation force is attainable between
the predominately
proton mass of the earth (~ 4000 times that of the electron mass) with
manipulation
of electrons and/or energy fields resulting from electron
BTW, According to this timeline,
Galvani's frog leg experiments kicked off Volta's Pile, the forerunner
of batteries and supercaps.
http://www.schoolscience.co.uk/content/3/physics/electric/index.html
: Monday, April 10, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re; Electrogravity Proton Repulsion of Electrons
BTW, According to this timeline,
Galvani's frog leg experiments kicked off Volta's Pile, the forerunner
of batteries and supercaps.
http://www.schoolscience.co.uk/content/3/physics/electric/index.html
Just a side comment here...
> FWIW, Michel.
>
> The sudden disappearance of craft in encounters-sightings
> implys that when a certain vacuum energy density is
> reached, the craft passes through a "space-time portal"
> into another dimension and then pops back out again
> at some distance
At the Bohr Radius (R) = 5.29e-11 meters the Electrostatic Attraction
force (F) between the proton and electron is k*q1*q2/R^2 = 8.23e-8 nt.
Coincidentally, the point pole magnetic attraction (or repulsion)
force F = uo* M^2/[4(pi)R]^2 = 8.23e-8 nt
Where M is the magnetic moment constant,
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