On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Ni61 is non reactive as stated by DGT and confirmed by Mizuno as presented
in Cook's !CCF-18 presentation
I interpret the depletion analysis differently than presented in Cook's
presentation (e.g., slide 52 [1]). If 61Ni
We have noticed that the large mounting rings at the ends of the HotCat do not
appear to glow in the same manner as seen on the smaller body of the device.
The testers measured the power being radiated and conducted from these rings
just as with the inner body and I decided to look into an
I looked at that reference and went away about as confused as ever. Did you
look at the two references that I found? I think it is important for us to
follow up on this issue since it seems to be one that will not go away. Do
metals appear differently than the materials that Mizuno was
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Do metals appear differently than the materials that Mizuno was viewing?
Nope. As I said, all materials are incandescent at about the same color. It
is only temperature dependent.
- Jed
I saw the photo of the block and of course it seems to be similar as well. I
am not convinced that the casting that was treated for 12 hours and quickly
removed had time to cool that much. I may be wrong, but the first reference I
located showed roughly the same color as well. This also
Should the reactor radiate like a normal incandescent body of 1400C or
does the reactor radiate according to some other rules?
Jed (and Mizuno?) assume it behaves like a normal incandescent body of
1400C so it should glow white. Since it doesn't glow white they assume the
output power estimate
Yeah, they leave that out. Reminds me of some one else that we have been
dealing with lately. I suppose that the wiki articles can confuse people very
easily.
I may have found some support for the lower temperature. Look at my latest
calculations concerning the caps and how they might be
This is the question that I have been wrestling with for so long Harry. I may
have found a method of getting to the real temperature value. The technique
need a lot more calibration before it can be trusted.
Dave
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From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To:
In the report they said they were unable to attach a thermocouple to the
exterior of tube.
They should have put the test on hold until they figured out how to do it.
Harry
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:04 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
This is the question that I have been wrestling
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
In the report they said they were unable to attach a thermocouple to the
exterior of tube.
But there is one inside. I asked whether they have readings from it.
- Jed
There are a lot of assumptions, but you are probably right. It would be
surprising that the team didn't have a look from the 4 mm hole. What is
inside of the eCat is the most important to witness (even more important
that the COP1). A 4 mm hole is enough for an eye to see the inside of the
tube.
Dave--
I agree with your logic and that some of that mass will be associated with spin
energy and its conversion to heat.
Bob Cook
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the
I understand why Jones thinks his latest idea is radical. But, it fits many of
the observations--what about the observed nuclear transmutations in LENR?
Bob Cook
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:08 PM
Eric--
Yeh--You are probably right.
However, the idea related to a little project I was assigned in the early
1980's to look into a news report of a professor at the U of Arizona (as I
remember) that had developed a procress for transmutation of nuclear wastes.
He had written a nuclear
Eric--
I had the same thought about Ni-61 as you had in reviewing Cook's slides. I
did not go thought the logic as you have.
However, my general conclusion from a quick review of the presentation is that
there seems to be definite evidence of transmutations of various Ni, Fe, Cr
isotopes.
Jed and Dave-
Glass is not a black body in my estimation, and I would expect it to look
different at any given temperature from a true black body. If Mizuno's
correspondence with you Jed was relative to glass experience, I would say it is
not applicable to a like-temperature black body. My
The temperature of a Pāhoehoe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava#P.C4.81hoehoe lava flow can be
estimated by observing its color. The result agrees well with measured
temperatures of lava flows at about 1,000 to 1,200 °C (1,830 to 2,190 °F).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pahoehoe_toe.jpg
Jed--
I hope you get an answer. This question has caused me to resist getting into a
give and take about the camera data. The thermocouple must have been used to
calibrate the camera at operating conditions, IF IT WERE WORKING. The lack of
this obvious information suggests the T/C was not
Arnaud--
As I understand, the hole was not open during operation. Operators could not
look in during operation. After shutdown, without a good light source it would
be hard to see anything through a 4 mm hole.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Arnaud Kodeck
To:
There is one other important detail in the discussion of light vs.
temperature – the coherence or semi-coherence of the radiation. This is a
step above “intensity”.
If it is semi-coherent, the term “superradiance” is used. Even “invisible”
IR light can be extremely visible – blindingly visible,
The discussion of color and temperature only mask the glaring reality that
an inexpensive way to be certain of thermal gain in the TP2 device is flow
calorimetry.
Of course, Levi knew that from TP1 – he was told this by dozens of peers -
that he should have performed this task, yet he did not.
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I understand why Jones thinks his latest idea is radical. But, it fits many
of the observations--what about the observed nuclear transmutations in LENR?
Suppose the mass of the electron is absorbed by a proton in the
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Bob Cook wrote:
I understand why Jones thinks his latest idea is radical. But, it fits many
of the observations--what about the observed nuclear transmutations in LENR?
Suppose the mass of the electron is absorbed by a proton in the
nucleus
Dear Friends,
An other late weekend lecture.
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/10/ethan-siegels-third-bomb-thrown-on-cold.html
Tomorrow will bring very serious professional work.
Peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Jones, you are being unfair to Levi and the others. Putting together a
calorimetric system that the skeptics would accept as accurate would not be an
easy task.
I appreciate the work that these guys performed. There are shortcomings that
many have pointed out, but I suspect that this will
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote:
The temperature of a Pāhoehoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lava#P.C4.81hoehoe lava flow can be estimated by observing its color.
The result agrees well with measured temperatures of lava flows at about
1,000 to
From the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project facebook page:
---
Is this the catalyst?
As we reported in a previous Facebook post, we know for a fact that Pons
and Fleischmann had a key Lithium compound in their lab,
I disagree Dave. If you were to count the many hundreds if not thousands of
hours which have been wasted arguing over the thermometry, multiplied by the
hourly rate of the arguers, the actual cost to do excellent water flow
calorimetry would have been a small fraction of that – probably less
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I disagree Dave. If you were to count the many hundreds if not thousands of
hours which have been wasted arguing over the thermometry, multiplied by
the hourly rate of the arguers, the actual cost to do excellent water
Russian LENR researchers (D.V. FILIPPOV) have developed a phenomenological
model for interpreting the low-energy nuclear transformations seen in LENR
experiments and have embodied that model in a computer program that matches
resident input and output LERN reaction products against all applicable
Light bulbs are described by the color of the light that they produce. In
that regard, a temperature of 1200C would correspond to a red orange.
We need to enlarge our model space rather than limiting ourselves to one
model that is inconsistent with the observations.
Consider the difference between the sun at noon and the sun at dawn/dusk.
The interior of the HotCat glows white but from the outside it glows red
like a sunrise because it
I must have produce 500 posts identifying an alkali metal as the Rossi
secret catalyst and even better, I provided the theory behind that
recommendation. Lithium is a simplistic conclusion to draw from the Rossi
TPT results.
The alkali metal selected must match the operational temperature of
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I keep going back to the SPP and to NASA, etc.
It's not like they are doing a lot these days, eg no rocket science.
Are you ok? 'cause this place can sometimes make people feel a bit...
...you know...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bGYljQ5Uw
Harry
Terry--
That's a good supplement to Jone's idea, that he may not think is too
radical:)
Bob
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor
On Sun, Oct
Jones--
I thought you might like Terry's idea.
Bob
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From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Bob Cook
Only a Thermal Camera is calibrated to show accurate readings when imaging
glowing hot objects, a normal consumer camera will automatically make ISO
adjustments to bring the scene into a visible range. Depending on how you have
the camera aimed and pointed, you can make a dull red glow appear
One thing I don't hear a lot of people discussing is the FUD generated by
cold fusion and hot fusion.
Industries are investing billions of dollars trying to make solar work.
Something that works today and is actually trying to solve global warming
and dangerous pollution.
Companies like Lockheed
well done.
harry
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I must have produce 500 posts identifying an alkali metal as the Rossi
secret catalyst and even better, I provided the theory behind that
recommendation. Lithium is a simplistic conclusion to draw from the
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
I thought you might like Terry's idea.
Awkshully, Bob... it could work, but is the proton then neutralized as a
neutron? Having a free neutron creates problems. What I had been thinking is a
bit different- that the electron itself goes into the Dirac
I don't believe that so much money is being dumped into Rossi/Cold
Fusion that we should compare it to the parasitism of the hot fusion
industry. Lockheed is an established,
billion-dollar-a-year military-industrial-complex mainstay -- how can you
possibly compare/conflate the two? Yeah let's
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Jed--
I hope you get an answer. This question has caused me to resist getting
into a give and take about the camera data. The thermocouple must have
been used to calibrate the camera at operating conditions, IF IT
Jones--
As you may remember I was at the University of Bologna on September 19th
exactly 1 month ago with the objective of visiting Levi. I do not believe he
was well paid for his work at Lugano.
The University would not accept a donation from me to assist in LENR research
at the
Harry--
I have the same trusting assumption that your have professed. However, I do
not consider mine are completely naive, nor absolutely founded on solid facts.
Bob
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From: H Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:47 PM
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Consider the difference between the sun at noon and the sun at dawn/dusk.
The interior of the HotCat glows white but from the outside it glows red
like a sunrise because it is shinning through an atmosphere of alumina.
It does not work that way. If the
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
The temperature of a Pāhoehoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lava#P.C4.81hoehoe lava flow can be estimated by observing its color.
The result agrees well with measured temperatures of lava flows at about
1,000 to 1,200 °C (1,830 to 2,190 °F).
And
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The discussion of color and temperature only mask the glaring reality that
an inexpensive way to be certain of thermal gain in the TP2 device is flow
calorimetry.
I think flow calorimetry with this device at these temperatures would be
problematic. For
Dave,
I did some calculations based on some formulas provided here:
http://dsp.stackexchange.com/questions/8949/how-do-i-calculate-the-color-temperature-of-the-light-source-illuminating-an-ima
I set up a spreadsheet to do the calculations, and pulled the RGB values
with a graphics editor
Bob Cook wrote. Glass is not a black body in my estimation, and I would
expect it to look
different at any given temperature from a true black body.
Having looked inside 100 operating glass melters at temperatures ranging
from ambient to 1500C, at any temperature where things start to glow
From: Jed Rothwell
The discussion of color and temperature only mask the glaring reality that
an inexpensive way to be certain of thermal gain in the TP2 device is flow
calorimetry.
I think flow calorimetry with this device at these temperatures would be
problematic. For one thing, you
Any directly connected sensor may be unreliable and erratic because of the
production of intense RG radiation especially in a reactor without RF
shielding.
The only way to get good temperature data is through remote sensing,
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Jones--
Common practice would be to calibrate the thermocouple before and after the
test. I think that, if the thermocouple were not working it would be obvious
and there would be data to confirm it did not work. The differences between
the camera and the thermocouple, if it worked, should
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Common practice would be to calibrate the thermocouple before and after
the test. I think that, if the thermocouple were not working it would be
obvious . . .
If the thermocouple were not working the cell would overheat, wouldn't it?
I think it is a
Axil--
From my experience, I would doubt that is a major concern for these simple
thermocouples. It there were a 50,000 watt antenna near by you might get a
pick up which could be detected in the voltage output of the thermocouple.
However, the external leads of a T/C are generally in a
There are types of magnetic EMF that cannot be shielded. Furthermore, if
large amounts of electrons are being produced as a reaction
byproduct, their chaotic interaction with the directly connected sensors
and connectors may not be predictable over time.
There may be an agreement in place between
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Consider the difference between the sun at noon and the sun at dawn/dusk.
The interior of the HotCat glows white but from the outside it glows red
like a sunrise because it is
The surface temperature of the Sun is effectively several millions of
degrees. The atmosphere of the Sun is heated by magnetic fields from deep
within the core of the Sun. Yes, the surface of the Sun is cool, but the
roiling Corona is the plasma that produces the bright white light that we
see
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/30/us-fukushima-workers-idUSBRE9BT00520131230
Japan's homeless recruited for murky Fukushima clean-up
Yup. This has often been in the Japanese news. The labor contractors are
known for having many tattoos (meaning they are gangsters).
- Jed
I think the fact you can the see the possible outline of a coil and
possibly fins shows a difference in visible//translucent light radiation in
those areas.
I also find quite a bit of research on translucent sintered alumina and its
ability to scatter light through rayleigh and mie scattering.
Thanks for the report Axil. That is an impressive shift and certainly not
coincidental. Gas is $2.90 at the pump. Is this just a reaction to the
idea of cheap fusion energy?
I'm still reading Vortex-L although I don't have as much time to
participate as I would like. I haven't abandoned the
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Yup. This has often been in the Japanese news. The labor contractors are
known for having many tattoos (meaning they are gangsters).
Yakuza?
started thinking about new concept of 1D strings of Boson
***Sounds like my V1DLLBEC theory.
https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg95060.html
et al
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 6:36 PM, CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the report Axil. That is an impressive shift and
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Furthermore, if large amounts of electrons are being produced as a reaction
byproduct ...
How is conservation of charge maintained in this context?
Eric
Pretty sick...bless this neo-liberal free market nightmare we find
ourselves enmeshed in.
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:11 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
wrote:
Yup. This has often been in the Japanese news. The
Other examples of light emitting bodies which do not follow the
incandascent temperature rule are phosphorescent and fluorescent bodies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescence
Harry
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 7:27 PM, H Veeder
When a reaction occurs, Do the lattice atoms on the end of the BEC chain
participate?
It's fascinating to speculate on this.
***Here's a speculation. Inside of a BEC, fusion takes place. And due to
the nature of a BEC, the nuclear reactive products (gammas) are dispersed
quite evenly.But
Many different types of Luminescence are listed here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminescence
quote
Luminescence is emission of light by a substance not resulting from heat;
it is thus a form of cold body radiation. It can be caused by chemical
reactions, electrical energy, subatomic motions,
Thanks for the reference Kevin. I see you and Axil really got into this
idea. I read your-all's whole thread exchange and it's inspiring. What I
also should add is that Storm is inspiring as well. I really asked him
several times what he meant by NAE (the Nuclear Active Environment) and it
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