RE: [Vo]:Is there a Johnson Matthey connection?

2016-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking of coincidences. Perhaps it is randomly coincidental that J has been promoting their new nanocatalyst which is known as "heterogeneous Pd/C" - which appears to be very much like the Arata catalyst with nano-palladium supported by carbon. As they say: "highly dispersed, very active, and

[Vo]:Re: Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

2016-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
If Rossi’s Hot Cat works and produces direct electricity, it may be that that associated IP is not licensed, since it is a separate invention. The key question is did any of the IH team contribute to the Hot Cat direct electricity invention and/or who paid for the ideas. Its not my impression

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Craig Haynie wrote: > See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow. > > > http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf > > > That's just saying it went

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros wrote: Once again it is not judging about how well it worked for you. Just saying > that there is no guarantee coming from being licensed. > Yes, there is an explicit guarantee. If a licensed HVAC engineer publishes an evaluation with a mistake, he will

[Vo]:Production plans and report will be published

2016-04-07 Thread a.ashfield
Kurt Turden April 7, 2016 at 1:29 AM Dr Andrea Rossi: So the program to manufacture the E-Cat in massive quantities goes on, even if this litigation will take long, as usual? Godspeed, Kurt Translate Andrea Rossi April 7, 2016 at 9:23 AM Kurt Turden: Yes. Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea April 7,

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig Haynie wrote: See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow. > > > http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf > > I think this means the $10 million was held in escrow until Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Craig Haynie
See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow. http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > "I think the fight is over the $10

[Vo]:Is there a Johnson Matthey connection?

2016-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
Johnson Matthey is a name which goes back to the early days of cold fusion. They supplied the active palladium for P They are one of the largest producers of metal catalysts and precious metals in the world. Apparently, there is mention in one of the online documents of the Lawsuit - that JM

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Lennart Thornros
Jed, I think you are correct in who would be more qualified in one regard; experience and training is valuable if you want really objective scientific measures. However, in the real world it is a number of factors involved. We just do not have the full picture to evaluate what would have been a

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda wrote: about Penon "non independence", except having an italian name and having > done a previous test, is there any relationship established with rossi > predating the Ferrara test ? > They have been working together for many years. It seems to me that an

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
"I think the fight is over the $10 million in escrow, which looks like it may go back to IH if the deal falls through." I saw nothing saying the money is in escrow. Pretty sure it's been paid to leonardo. See line 58

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Russ George wrote: What a naïve specious comment “an engineer will lose his license” the > reality is that license revocations very very rarely happen. > However rare it may be, that is the point of issuing licenses. It is a method of guaranteeing the work is done

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > > >- Rossi is sure that IH have transferred trade secrets to Brillouin. > > Worse. I believe Industrial Heat and Magic have transferred trade secrets to the Chinese. And that the Chinese are already in production

Re: [Vo]:Production plans and report will be published

2016-04-07 Thread a.ashfield
Janne: ".. I hope you will have other sources of MASSIVE financing…" "Andrea Rossi April 7, 2016 at 9:17 AM Janne: We are stronger than you can imagine. Warm Regards, A.R."

Re: [Vo]:Production plans and report will be published

2016-04-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Well, might want to spend those resources on a slightly more experienced lawyer than. The guy they got for this has just a few years under his belt and UFL is ranked about 46/201 Considering Darden graduated from yale, Rossi might be a bit outlcassed here. On Thursday, April 7, 2016, a.ashfield

Re: [Vo]:Problems with 2012 Penon report

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: Perhaps you just misinterpret what he said. It could also be taken to mean:- "the output varied between 2.5 and 3.7 kW" rather than that there was a > large > error in the measurement. I do not think so. Look at the first table on page 14. The column headings are

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
The document says IH raised 50 million from investors. That's not a lot considering the importance of the invention. It could be that, due skepticism, they couldn't reach the full 90 million, and couldn't fulfill their part. Or at least they did, but no so much to do anything useful on a large

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
Your branding of Rossi by saying ‘his burst of anger’ is just plain bullshit. By definition of all the standards in what a Troll does that is a troll’s comment! Here’s a reference to support my statement

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
Russ George sounds like the troll in this exchange. Rossi’s petulant and child-like bursts of anger are well-documented… From: Russ George Your branding of Rossi by saying ‘his burst of anger’ is just plain bullshit. By definition of all the standards in what a Troll does that is a

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
What a naïve specious comment “an engineer will lose his license” the reality is that license revocations very very rarely happen. There is even a clause is PEng society rules that says ‘no brother shall criticize a brother’ meaning that PEng’s are prohibited from criticizing other PEng’s.

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
The re-read it. Apparently you missed the part about using unnecessary profanity to label an honest observation by someone you disagree with. From: Russ George Here’s a good paper on Anti-Social behavior on the internet… should be required reading for those of us with the obvious

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Craig Haynie
I agree; the $10 million was paid. Sorry for the confusion. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Craig Haynie > wrote: > >> See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow. >> >>

[Vo]:perhaps too much ado for a LENR lawsuit, results promisng

2016-04-07 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, I add my opinion to many, this lawsuit is an Event! But excess heat more important. PLEASE READ PAPERS 11) and 12) De Ninno and Kowalski- classic LENR. http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-7-2016-lenr-report-details-coming.html Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
Here’s a good paper on Anti-Social behavior on the internet… should be required reading for those of us with the obvious predilection to internet addiction http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3217592/ From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016

Re: [Vo]:Problems with 2012 Penon report

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Thanks to the wonders of voice input I wrote: > He should have sorted out which apotheosis is correct, by calibration. > Apotheosis: "the elevation of someone to divine status; deification." Yeah verily, here in The Divine Church of Rossi the First (last and only). [Chanting heard in

[Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-statement-on-meritless-litigation-from-leonardo-corporation-and-andrea-rossi-300248066.html?tc=eml_cleartime Here is the complete text: Industrial Heat Statement on Meritless Litigation from Leonardo Corporation and Andrea Rossi

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
The story of cold fusion is a sure fire way to bring out the trolls and nere-do-wells as evidenced in quintessentially trollish commentary that is raging. More important it also brings out those with earnest and honest hearts. Of course the main points of 'cold fusion' are more about the

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
By the by it’s the best news ever for the field of cold fusion to have a nice juicy lawsuit, nothing the brainless media likes better than being led by the hand to understand stories and be able to fabricate all manner of imagined story elements… all under the supposed watchful eye of a judge

[Vo]:Interesting..yet simple...Rossi-IH lawsuit website

2016-04-07 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-l. It is difficult to sort thru all of the comments on Vortex. I found this website most interesting ...for its summary. http://www.drboblog.com/better-call-saul-andrea-rossi-vs-darden-co/ Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA.Dr Mallove a late...old friend...from Temple

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Robert Dorr
Good old "Tit for Tat". I.H. is obviously disputing the results of the year long test based on lack of scientific rigor. One of these years maybe we will find out who has the better lawyer. Robert Dorr WA7ZQR On 4/7/2016 12:29 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: See:

Re: [Vo]:Re: Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

2016-04-07 Thread Alan Fletcher
So IH had Fulvio Fabiani reporting to them on the 1MW test. He should be an interesting witness: https://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/11/25/rossis-engineer-i-have-seen-things-you-people-wouldnt-believe/ “As a skeptic I started there, and in the beginning Rossi wouldn’t let me see any

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Robert Dorr
It wasn't a month long test, it was a 24 hour test performed in Ferrara Italy. I keep seeing that supposedly I.H. was the one that built the e-cat used in the Lugano test. As far as I can see that is completely untrue. Robert Dorr WA7ZQR At 03:55 PM 4/7/2016, you wrote: They also paid

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Jack Cole
Jed, I agree with all you say except thinking the first Levi test was good. It was better, but there was no adequate calibration performed. As such, it was wholly inadequate. That is the common problematic thread throughout every ecat test. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016, 5:03 PM Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Russ George wrote: yes Lennert, 'real noise ' of course not the banal rumblings of the many > trolls the likes of which are plentiful in every swirling vortex, alas > trolls are mostly 'floaters' so they aren't flushed away nearly as often

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
Isnt the 10 million on an escrow account? As far as I understood, IH even bought a unit before completing the reactor. 2016-04-07 20:57 GMT-03:00 Craig Haynie : > You're right. I have made two mistakes in two days. Something's wrong. I'm > just not concentrating on what

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
"Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without success". It seems imply that Rossi did not generate any extra heat. I don't think they they'd say "without success" if any COP>1 was found, since the claim

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Craig Haynie
On 04/07/2016 08:00 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Isnt the 10 million on an escrow account? As far as I understood, IH even bought a unit before completing the reactor. The $10 million was on escrow at the beginning, until IH validated that the machine was working, and producing at least 6 COP.

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Craig Haynie
On 04/07/2016 08:19 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: But now that IH said they could not get Rossi to prove anything, Rossi shouldn't have got anything. And note that the claim that the experiment prove anything came from Rossi's side. So, we are concluding that he got 10 million based on what "Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Craig Haynie
"...then Rossi would be smart to simply cancel IH's license and go for his own $500 billion IPO next month. Let IH sue him if they don't like the cancellation." I think the fight is over the $10 million in escrow, which looks like it may go back to IH if the deal falls through. Craig On

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Russ George wrote: You and I agree there is no data from the demo under discussion! So all of > the chatter about whether Rossi does good or bad work is preposterous > untimely speculation. > Rossi has REPEATEDLY done dreadful work. I have followed his work as closely as

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Frank Znidarsic
It is Rossi that says that the test was OK. According to IH, it was not OK, > because IH says three years without success, not merely 1 year. So, the > money is still in the escrow. Maybe we should ask Steven Krivit. He seems to have the heads up on a lot of this stuff.

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Robert Lynn
*De-lurks* Ridiculous to assert that IH have not acting in good faith - if the demo worked they would be the happiest people in the world and would be on track to make vast amounts of money even if they had to hand over 90million they would be doing so with a big smile on their face. The very

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is the link: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-statement-on-meritless-litigation-from-leonardo-corporation-and-andrea-rossi-300248066.html 2016-04-07 19:54 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > "Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Craig Haynie
They also paid Rossi $10 million dollars after validating that the device was working for a month. Craig On 04/07/2016 06:54 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: "Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Lennart Thornros
I agree with you Russ. The same goes for investors and VC firms. Noise creates interest. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
yes Lennert, 'real noise ' of course not the banal rumblings of the many trolls the likes of which are plentiful in every swirling vortex, alas trolls are mostly 'floaters' so they aren't flushed away nearly as often as we might like. As an experimentalist with years at the bench measuring heat in

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Craig Haynie
You're right. I have made two mistakes in two days. Something's wrong. I'm just not concentrating on what I'm writing. :) Craig On 04/07/2016 07:54 PM, Robert Dorr wrote: It wasn't a month long test, it was a 24 hour test performed in Ferrara Italy. I keep seeing that supposedly I.H. was

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
But now that IH said they could not get Rossi to prove anything, Rossi shouldn't have got anything. And note that the claim that the experiment prove anything came from Rossi's side. So, we are concluding that he got 10 million based on what "Rossi said". 2016-04-07 21:03 GMT-03:00 Craig Haynie

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
What the free for all attack on Rossi by Vorts is just fine but its wrong to disparage those attacking Rossi and everyone around him … now that is the epitome of troll behavior. From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:26 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Craig Haynie
On 04/07/2016 09:36 PM, Jones Beene wrote: *From:*Craig Haynie ØThey also paid Rossi $10 million dollars, after validating that the device was working… Not exactly. The logical error is cause and effect. Yes, they paid the installment, but elsewhere they clearly state that "Industrial

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
I am actually trying to defend Rossi, because this time is a big deal. According to the terms of the contract and IH, Rossi only got 1.5million, and nothing from the escrow account. So, for any decent research, well, decent in terms of using massive parallel reactors, he must be on shoe strings.

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
"According to the terms of the contract and IH, Rossi only got 1.5million", I meant " According to the terms of the contract and IH version, Rossi only got 1.5million". 2016-04-07 22:50 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > I am actually trying to defend Rossi, because this time is a

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Dorr wrote: > I keep seeing that supposedly I.H. was the one that built the e-cat used > in the Lugano test. As far as I can see that is completely untrue. > I.H. is mentioned in the Lugano paper three times: In the course of the year following the previous tests,

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jack Cole wrote: > I agree with all you say except thinking the first Levi test was good. It > was better, but there was no adequate calibration performed. As such, it > was wholly inadequate. > I agree. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
Also since Rossi had 400 days in which to carry on his demo and took only 350 of those days and given that IH was fully engaged and watching this whole time then it is quite absurd to suggest that the demo was terminated without consent and agreement of all parties…. That clearly suggests IH

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
If Rossi did indeed receive the $1.5 Million and the $10 million then he has a war chest that is more than sufficient to prevail. The fact of the legal tussle will attract legions of ‘gozillionaires’ to his door. From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 7,

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
It is Rossi that says that the test was OK. According to IH, it was not OK, because IH says three years without success, not merely 1 year. So, the money is still in the escrow.

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Robert Dorr
You will notice it says that Rossi and I.H. provided an E-Cat for "a" test measurement (I read as a singular measurment) not necessarily for the Lugano Test. Possibly to verify any ionizing radiation. So many possible ways to read all of this rapidly developing information. Robert Dorr

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Craig Haynie
Rossi: " I have to comment the press release of IH, being a press release and not a forensic act. They made the Lugano reactor ( they also signed it ) they made many replications of which we have due record and witnesses, they made multiple patent applications ( without my authotization )

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Craig Haynie
On 04/07/2016 09:50 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I am actually trying to defend Rossi, because this time is a big deal. According to the terms of the contract and IH, Rossi only got 1.5million, and nothing from the escrow account. So, for any decent research, well, decent in terms of using

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Lennart Thornros
Troll is a Swedish word, describing a person who is more in contact withnature than with humans. That person lives in the forest and has superficial capacities. Sometimes not so nice but at least sarcastic. I grow up thinking trolls were real. However I believed in St. Nick (Tomten) as well so

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > No, the $10 million is definitely not in escrow. > Indeed, Jed is right. From the complaint filed by Leonardo: "58. Upon conclusion of the Validation Test on or about May 2, 2013,the ERV certified that the E-Cat

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's customer

2016-04-07 Thread Patrick Ellul
Henry W. Johnson is a lawyer just hiding the actual customer by being nominated president of the shell company that is owned by a British Company. Not unlike the Panama Papers business. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > I see now that Free Energy Scams

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
Lennart that is good news about Trolls, I’d rather think of them as warm and friendly instead of cold and nasty… we need a new word for the denizens of the internet who spit their venom so needlessly… I’d call them childish but that is not true, they likely are the adult remains of ADHD bully

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Russ George wrote: What’s objectionable here is to suggest that the governance of Rossi’s year > long demo has been done without the benefit of hindsight. It’s a > particularly irksome trait to suggest that Rossi et al were/are so > incompetent as to not do a good job this

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
The good news is that, according to Rossi, the Chinese are now going to use e-cats. So, we will surely have a huge CO2 emission decrease within a few years!

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Russ George wrote: What the free for all attack on Rossi by Vorts . . . > No one is attacking Rossi. We are reporting news of a lawsuit, and news that I.H. reports they think there is no excess heat. I described errors in the previous Penon paper. Those are all legitimate

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
From: Craig Haynie Ø They also paid Rossi $10 million dollars, after validating that the device was working… Not exactly. The logical error is cause and effect. Yes, they paid the installment, but elsewhere they clearly state that "Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: I am actually trying to defend Rossi, because this time is a big deal. > According to the terms of the contract and IH, Rossi only got 1.5million, > and nothing from the escrow account. > No, he got the whole $10 million from the escrow account. He is

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Craig Haynie wrote: Isn't it also true that one of their observers has been making positive > remarks during the past year, as well? > Fulvio Fabiani was one of the two people engaged by IH to keep tabs on the test. But he's basically a

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
One has to read outside of the box to try to grasp what is going on. That IH entered into the agreement that had milestone payments and met two of those milestones seems indisputable… that they failed to honor the third milestone payment is also crystal clear. Given they were present during the

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
Clearly many Vorts are attacking Rossi by using such words as ‘scam’ and trying to disparage the people Rossi has agreed to work with even though both Rossi and IH had to agree to such people’s competence. To disparage the competence of Penon based on old work and not the present well monitored

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Russ George wrote: Clearly many Vorts are attacking Rossi by using such words as ‘scam’ > Jones Beene is the only person here who has said that. The only other use of the word is here: ". . . the possibility of him being a scammer is remote." > and trying to disparage

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: It is Rossi that says that the test was OK. According to IH, it was not OK, > because IH says three years without success, not merely 1 year. So, the > money is still in the escrow. > No, the $10 million is definitely not in escrow. The documents filed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's customer

2016-04-07 Thread Eric Walker
I see now that Free Energy Scams has connected Henry W. Johnson to Leonardo Corp [1]: Leonardo 03-03-2014 — ANNUAL REPORT There were two major changes in this filing: • Andrea Rossi became CEO. • Henry W. Johnson became President. I do not know how to substantiate this detail. Eric [1]

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Patrick Ellul
Rossi responds back to IH with 3 strong statements. Andrea Rossi April 7, 2016 at 7:27 PM Dear Janne: I have to comment the press release of IH, being a press release and not a forensic act. They made the Lugano reactor ( they also signed it ) they made many replications of which we have due

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
What’s objectionable here is to suggest that the governance of Rossi’s year long demo has been done without the benefit of hindsight. It’s a particularly irksome trait to suggest that Rossi et al were/are so incompetent as to not do a good job this time with $10 million in hand to pay for

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
You and I agree there is no data from the demo under discussion! So all of the chatter about whether Rossi does good or bad work is preposterous untimely speculation. That’s NOT science that is school yard rude behavior. As for data on Rossi’s acumen as a smart businessman the data in his

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

2016-04-07 Thread Russ George
Ever since cold fusion was shown to be so profoundly simple by Fleischmann and Pons there has been no chance that ‘when’ it became a reality that the IP could be protected and corralled. One reason Rossi is so coy about his trade secrets is that they are such simple secrets that no amount of

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's customer

2016-04-07 Thread Patrick Ellul
"JMC is owned by an entity formed in the United Kingdom and none of Leonardo, Dr. Andrea Rossi, Henry W. Johnson nor any of their respective subsidiaries, directors, officers, agents, employees, affiliates. significant others, or relatives by blood or marriage has any ownership interest in JMC."

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

2016-04-07 Thread Alain Sepeda
about Penon "non independence", except having an italian name and having done a previous test, is there any relationship established with rossi predating the Ferrara test ? for the rest I agree, a good HVAC engineer would do it better. 2016-04-07 4:06 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell

RE: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

2016-04-07 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Wow! I would hope Rossi’s lawyer has actual evidence for these claims, if so Rossi may be short cutting their play and force an amicable settlement in everyone’s best interest. [snip]Among other things, DARDEN, VAUGHN, IH and IPH have (a) disclosed the ECat IP to LEONARDO's competitors; (b)

RE: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

2016-04-07 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Russ, nice assessment – I agree that letting IH back in would be worst case for Rossi but he may have to allow it if they cry honest mistake and immediately make good on the original agreement… Rossi is probably in negotiations already with larger industries that could roll his inventions out