Speaking of coincidences.
Perhaps it is randomly coincidental that J has been promoting their new
nanocatalyst which is known as "heterogeneous Pd/C" - which appears to be
very much like the Arata catalyst with nano-palladium supported by carbon.
As they say: "highly dispersed, very active, and
If Rossi’s Hot Cat works and produces direct electricity, it may be that that
associated IP is not licensed, since it is a separate invention. The key
question is did any of the IH team contribute to the Hot Cat direct electricity
invention and/or who paid for the ideas. Its not my impression
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Craig Haynie
wrote:
> See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow.
>
>
> http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf
>
>
>
That's just saying it went
Lennart Thornros wrote:
Once again it is not judging about how well it worked for you. Just saying
> that there is no guarantee coming from being licensed.
>
Yes, there is an explicit guarantee. If a licensed HVAC engineer publishes
an evaluation with a mistake, he will
Kurt Turden
April 7, 2016 at 1:29 AM
Dr Andrea Rossi:
So the program to manufacture the E-Cat in massive quantities goes on,
even if this litigation will take long, as usual?
Godspeed,
Kurt
Translate
Andrea Rossi
April 7, 2016 at 9:23 AM
Kurt Turden:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Andrea
April 7,
Craig Haynie wrote:
See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow.
>
>
> http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf
>
>
I think this means the $10 million was held in escrow until Rossi
See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow.
http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Blaze Spinnaker
wrote:
> "I think the fight is over the $10
Johnson Matthey is a name which goes back to the early days of cold fusion.
They supplied the active palladium for P They are one of the largest
producers of metal catalysts and precious metals in the world.
Apparently, there is mention in one of the online documents of the Lawsuit -
that JM
Jed,
I think you are correct in who would be more qualified in one regard;
experience and training is valuable if you want really objective scientific
measures.
However, in the real world it is a number of factors involved. We just do
not have the full picture to evaluate what would have been a
Alain Sepeda wrote:
about Penon "non independence", except having an italian name and having
> done a previous test, is there any relationship established with rossi
> predating the Ferrara test ?
>
They have been working together for many years.
It seems to me that an
"I think the fight is over the $10 million in escrow, which looks like it
may go back to IH if the deal falls through."
I saw nothing saying the money is in escrow. Pretty sure it's been paid
to leonardo. See line 58
Russ George wrote:
What a naïve specious comment “an engineer will lose his license” the
> reality is that license revocations very very rarely happen.
>
However rare it may be, that is the point of issuing licenses. It is a
method of guaranteeing the work is done
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
>
>- Rossi is sure that IH have transferred trade secrets to Brillouin.
>
>
Worse. I believe Industrial Heat and Magic have transferred trade secrets
to the Chinese. And that the Chinese are already in production
Janne: ".. I hope you will have other sources of MASSIVE financing…"
"Andrea Rossi April 7, 2016 at 9:17 AM
Janne:
We are stronger than you can imagine.
Warm Regards,
A.R."
Well, might want to spend those resources on a slightly more experienced
lawyer than. The guy they got for this has just a few years under his belt
and UFL is ranked about 46/201
Considering Darden graduated from yale, Rossi might be a bit outlcassed
here.
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, a.ashfield
wrote:
Perhaps you just misinterpret what he said. It could also be taken to mean:-
"the output varied between 2.5 and 3.7 kW" rather than that there was a
> large
> error in the measurement.
I do not think so. Look at the first table on page 14. The column headings
are
The document says IH raised 50 million from investors. That's not a lot
considering the importance of the invention. It could be that, due
skepticism, they couldn't reach the full 90 million, and couldn't fulfill
their part. Or at least they did, but no so much to do anything useful on a
large
Your branding of Rossi by saying ‘his burst of anger’ is just plain bullshit.
By definition of all the standards in what a Troll does that is a troll’s
comment! Here’s a reference to support my statement
Russ George sounds like the troll in this exchange.
Rossi’s petulant and child-like bursts of anger are well-documented…
From: Russ George
Your branding of Rossi by saying ‘his burst of anger’ is just plain bullshit.
By definition of all the standards in what a Troll does that is a
What a naïve specious comment “an engineer will lose his license” the reality
is that license revocations very very rarely happen. There is even a clause is
PEng society rules that says ‘no brother shall criticize a brother’ meaning
that PEng’s are prohibited from criticizing other PEng’s.
The re-read it.
Apparently you missed the part about using unnecessary profanity to label an
honest observation by someone you disagree with.
From: Russ George
Here’s a good paper on Anti-Social behavior on the internet… should be required
reading for those of us with the obvious
I agree; the $10 million was paid. Sorry for the confusion.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Blaze Spinnaker
wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Craig Haynie
> wrote:
>
>> See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow.
>>
>>
Dear Friends,
I add my opinion to many, this lawsuit is an Event! But excess heat more
important.
PLEASE READ PAPERS 11) and 12) De Ninno and Kowalski- classic LENR.
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-7-2016-lenr-report-details-coming.html
Peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
Here’s a good paper on Anti-Social behavior on the internet… should be required
reading for those of us with the obvious predilection to internet addiction
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3217592/
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016
Thanks to the wonders of voice input I wrote:
> He should have sorted out which apotheosis is correct, by calibration.
>
Apotheosis: "the elevation of someone to divine status; deification."
Yeah verily, here in The Divine Church of Rossi the First (last and only).
[Chanting heard in
See:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-statement-on-meritless-litigation-from-leonardo-corporation-and-andrea-rossi-300248066.html?tc=eml_cleartime
Here is the complete text:
Industrial Heat Statement on Meritless Litigation from Leonardo Corporation
and Andrea Rossi
The story of cold fusion is a sure fire way to bring out the trolls and
nere-do-wells as evidenced in quintessentially trollish commentary that is
raging. More important it also brings out those with earnest and honest hearts.
Of course the main points of 'cold fusion' are more about the
By the by it’s the best news ever for the field of cold fusion to have a nice
juicy lawsuit, nothing the brainless media likes better than being led by the
hand to understand stories and be able to fabricate all manner of imagined
story elements… all under the supposed watchful eye of a judge
Greetings Vortex-l.
It is difficult to sort thru all of the comments on Vortex. I found this
website most interesting ...for its summary.
http://www.drboblog.com/better-call-saul-andrea-rossi-vs-darden-co/
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Doylestown PA.Dr Mallove a late...old friend...from Temple
Good old "Tit for Tat". I.H. is obviously disputing the results of the
year long test based on lack of scientific rigor. One of these years
maybe we will find out who has the better lawyer.
Robert Dorr
WA7ZQR
On 4/7/2016 12:29 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
See:
So IH had Fulvio Fabiani reporting to them on the 1MW test.
He should be an interesting witness:
https://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/11/25/rossis-engineer-i-have-seen-things-you-people-wouldnt-believe/
“As a skeptic I started there, and in the beginning Rossi wouldn’t let me see
any
It wasn't a month long test, it was a 24 hour
test performed in Ferrara Italy. I keep seeing
that supposedly I.H. was the one that built the
e-cat used in the Lugano test. As far as I can see that is completely untrue.
Robert Dorr
WA7ZQR
At 03:55 PM 4/7/2016, you wrote:
They also paid
Jed,
I agree with all you say except thinking the first Levi test was good. It
was better, but there was no adequate calibration performed. As such, it
was wholly inadequate.
That is the common problematic thread throughout every ecat test.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016, 5:03 PM Jed Rothwell
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Russ George wrote:
yes Lennert, 'real noise ' of course not the banal rumblings of the many
> trolls the likes of which are plentiful in every swirling vortex, alas
> trolls are mostly 'floaters' so they aren't flushed away nearly as often
Isnt the 10 million on an escrow account? As far as I understood, IH even
bought a unit before completing the reactor.
2016-04-07 20:57 GMT-03:00 Craig Haynie :
> You're right. I have made two mistakes in two days. Something's wrong. I'm
> just not concentrating on what
"Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the
results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without
success".
It seems imply that Rossi did not generate any extra heat. I don't think
they they'd say "without success" if any COP>1 was found, since the claim
On 04/07/2016 08:00 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Isnt the 10 million on an escrow account? As far as I understood, IH
even bought a unit before completing the reactor.
The $10 million was on escrow at the beginning, until IH validated that
the machine was working, and producing at least 6 COP.
On 04/07/2016 08:19 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
But now that IH said they could not get Rossi to prove anything, Rossi
shouldn't have got anything. And note that the claim that the
experiment prove anything came from Rossi's side. So, we are
concluding that he got 10 million based on what "Rossi
"...then Rossi would be smart to simply cancel IH's license and go for
his own $500 billion IPO next month. Let IH sue him if they don't like
the cancellation."
I think the fight is over the $10 million in escrow, which looks like it
may go back to IH if the deal falls through.
Craig
On
Russ George wrote:
You and I agree there is no data from the demo under discussion! So all of
> the chatter about whether Rossi does good or bad work is preposterous
> untimely speculation.
>
Rossi has REPEATEDLY done dreadful work. I have followed his work as
closely as
It is Rossi that says that the test was OK. According to IH, it was not OK,
> because IH says three years without success, not merely 1 year. So, the
> money is still in the escrow.
Maybe we should ask Steven Krivit. He seems to have the heads up on a lot of
this stuff.
*De-lurks*
Ridiculous to assert that IH have not acting in good faith - if the demo
worked they would be the happiest people in the world and would be on track
to make vast amounts of money even if they had to hand over 90million they
would be doing so with a big smile on their face. The very
This is the link:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-statement-on-meritless-litigation-from-leonardo-corporation-and-andrea-rossi-300248066.html
2016-04-07 19:54 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha :
> "Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to
They also paid Rossi $10 million dollars after validating that the
device was working for a month.
Craig
On 04/07/2016 06:54 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
"Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the
results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without
I agree with you Russ. The same goes for investors and VC firms. Noise
creates interest.
Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
On
yes Lennert, 'real noise ' of course not the banal rumblings of the many
trolls the likes of which are plentiful in every swirling vortex, alas
trolls are mostly 'floaters' so they aren't flushed away nearly as often as
we might like. As an experimentalist with years at the bench measuring heat
in
You're right. I have made two mistakes in two days. Something's wrong.
I'm just not concentrating on what I'm writing. :)
Craig
On 04/07/2016 07:54 PM, Robert Dorr wrote:
It wasn't a month long test, it was a 24 hour test performed in
Ferrara Italy. I keep seeing that supposedly I.H. was
But now that IH said they could not get Rossi to prove anything, Rossi
shouldn't have got anything. And note that the claim that the experiment
prove anything came from Rossi's side. So, we are concluding that he got 10
million based on what "Rossi said".
2016-04-07 21:03 GMT-03:00 Craig Haynie
What the free for all attack on Rossi by Vorts is just fine but its wrong to
disparage those attacking Rossi and everyone around him … now that is the
epitome of troll behavior.
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:26 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
On 04/07/2016 09:36 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
*From:*Craig Haynie
ØThey also paid Rossi $10 million dollars, after validating that the
device was working…
Not exactly. The logical error is cause and effect. Yes, they paid the
installment, but elsewhere they clearly state that "Industrial
I am actually trying to defend Rossi, because this time is a big deal.
According to the terms of the contract and IH, Rossi only got 1.5million,
and nothing from the escrow account. So, for any decent research, well,
decent in terms of using massive parallel reactors, he must be on shoe
strings.
"According to the terms of the contract and IH, Rossi only got 1.5million",
I meant " According to the terms of the contract and IH version, Rossi only
got 1.5million".
2016-04-07 22:50 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha :
> I am actually trying to defend Rossi, because this time is a
Robert Dorr wrote:
> I keep seeing that supposedly I.H. was the one that built the e-cat used
> in the Lugano test. As far as I can see that is completely untrue.
>
I.H. is mentioned in the Lugano paper three times:
In the course of the year following the previous tests,
Jack Cole wrote:
> I agree with all you say except thinking the first Levi test was good. It
> was better, but there was no adequate calibration performed. As such, it
> was wholly inadequate.
>
I agree.
- Jed
Also since Rossi had 400 days in which to carry on his demo and took only 350
of those days and given that IH was fully engaged and watching this whole time
then it is quite absurd to suggest that the demo was terminated without consent
and agreement of all parties…. That clearly suggests IH
If Rossi did indeed receive the $1.5 Million and the $10 million then he has a
war chest that is more than sufficient to prevail. The fact of the legal tussle
will attract legions of ‘gozillionaires’ to his door.
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 7,
It is Rossi that says that the test was OK. According to IH, it was not OK,
because IH says three years without success, not merely 1 year. So, the
money is still in the escrow.
You will notice it says that Rossi and I.H.
provided an E-Cat for "a" test measurement (I
read as a singular measurment) not necessarily
for the Lugano Test. Possibly to verify any
ionizing radiation. So many possible ways to read
all of this rapidly developing information.
Robert Dorr
Rossi:
" I have to comment the press release of IH, being a press release and
not a forensic act.
They made the Lugano reactor ( they also signed it ) they made many
replications of which we have due record and witnesses, they made
multiple patent applications ( without my authotization )
On 04/07/2016 09:50 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
I am actually trying to defend Rossi, because this time is a big deal.
According to the terms of the contract and IH, Rossi only got
1.5million, and nothing from the escrow account. So, for any decent
research, well, decent in terms of using
Troll is a Swedish word, describing a person who is more in contact
withnature than with humans. That person lives in the forest and has
superficial capacities. Sometimes not so nice but at least sarcastic.
I grow up thinking trolls were real. However I believed in St. Nick
(Tomten) as well so
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> No, the $10 million is definitely not in escrow.
>
Indeed, Jed is right. From the complaint filed by Leonardo:
"58. Upon conclusion of the Validation Test on or about May 2, 2013,the ERV
certified
that the E-Cat
Henry W. Johnson is a lawyer just hiding the actual customer by being
nominated president of the shell company that is owned by a British Company.
Not unlike the Panama Papers business.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
> I see now that Free Energy Scams
Lennart that is good news about Trolls, I’d rather think of them as warm and
friendly instead of cold and nasty… we need a new word for the denizens of the
internet who spit their venom so needlessly… I’d call them childish but that is
not true, they likely are the adult remains of ADHD bully
Russ George wrote:
What’s objectionable here is to suggest that the governance of Rossi’s year
> long demo has been done without the benefit of hindsight. It’s a
> particularly irksome trait to suggest that Rossi et al were/are so
> incompetent as to not do a good job this
The good news is that, according to Rossi, the Chinese are now going to use
e-cats. So, we will surely have a huge CO2 emission decrease within a few
years!
Russ George wrote:
What the free for all attack on Rossi by Vorts . . .
>
No one is attacking Rossi. We are reporting news of a lawsuit, and news
that I.H. reports they think there is no excess heat. I described errors in
the previous Penon paper. Those are all legitimate
From: Craig Haynie
Ø They also paid Rossi $10 million dollars, after validating that the device
was working…
Not exactly. The logical error is cause and effect. Yes, they paid the
installment, but elsewhere they clearly state that "Industrial Heat has worked
for over three years to
Daniel Rocha wrote:
I am actually trying to defend Rossi, because this time is a big deal.
> According to the terms of the contract and IH, Rossi only got 1.5million,
> and nothing from the escrow account.
>
No, he got the whole $10 million from the escrow account. He is
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Craig Haynie
wrote:
Isn't it also true that one of their observers has been making positive
> remarks during the past year, as well?
>
Fulvio Fabiani was one of the two people engaged by IH to keep tabs on the
test. But he's basically a
One has to read outside of the box to try to grasp what is going on. That IH
entered into the agreement that had milestone payments and met two of those
milestones seems indisputable… that they failed to honor the third milestone
payment is also crystal clear. Given they were present during the
Clearly many Vorts are attacking Rossi by using such words as ‘scam’ and trying
to disparage the people Rossi has agreed to work with even though both Rossi
and IH had to agree to such people’s competence. To disparage the competence of
Penon based on old work and not the present well monitored
Russ George wrote:
Clearly many Vorts are attacking Rossi by using such words as ‘scam’
>
Jones Beene is the only person here who has said that. The only other use
of the word is here: ". . . the possibility of him being a scammer is
remote."
> and trying to disparage
Daniel Rocha wrote:
It is Rossi that says that the test was OK. According to IH, it was not OK,
> because IH says three years without success, not merely 1 year. So, the
> money is still in the escrow.
>
No, the $10 million is definitely not in escrow. The documents filed
I see now that Free Energy Scams has connected Henry W. Johnson to Leonardo
Corp [1]:
Leonardo 03-03-2014 — ANNUAL REPORT
There were two major changes in this filing:
• Andrea Rossi became CEO.
• Henry W. Johnson became President.
I do not know how to substantiate this detail.
Eric
[1]
Rossi responds back to IH with 3 strong statements.
Andrea Rossi
April 7, 2016 at 7:27 PM
Dear Janne:
I have to comment the press release of IH, being a press release and not a
forensic act.
They made the Lugano reactor ( they also signed it ) they made many
replications of which we have due
What’s objectionable here is to suggest that the governance of Rossi’s year
long demo has been done without the benefit of hindsight. It’s a particularly
irksome trait to suggest that Rossi et al were/are so incompetent as to not do
a good job this time with $10 million in hand to pay for
You and I agree there is no data from the demo under discussion! So all of the
chatter about whether Rossi does good or bad work is preposterous untimely
speculation. That’s NOT science that is school yard rude behavior.
As for data on Rossi’s acumen as a smart businessman the data in his
Ever since cold fusion was shown to be so profoundly simple by Fleischmann and
Pons there has been no chance that ‘when’ it became a reality that the IP could
be protected and corralled. One reason Rossi is so coy about his trade secrets
is that they are such simple secrets that no amount of
"JMC is owned by an entity formed in the United Kingdom and none of
Leonardo, Dr. Andrea Rossi, Henry W. Johnson nor any of their respective
subsidiaries, directors, officers, agents, employees, affiliates.
significant others, or relatives by blood or marriage has any ownership
interest in JMC."
about Penon "non independence", except having an italian name and having
done a previous test, is there any relationship established with rossi
predating the Ferrara test ?
for the rest I agree, a good HVAC engineer would do it better.
2016-04-07 4:06 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell
Wow! I would hope Rossi’s lawyer has actual evidence for these claims, if so
Rossi may be short cutting their play and force an amicable settlement in
everyone’s best interest.
[snip]Among other things, DARDEN, VAUGHN, IH and IPH have (a) disclosed the ECat
IP to LEONARDO's competitors; (b)
Russ, nice assessment – I agree that letting IH back in would be worst case for
Rossi but he may have to allow it if they cry honest mistake and immediately
make good on the original agreement… Rossi is probably in negotiations already
with larger industries that could roll his inventions out
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