On Mar 25, 2:05 pm, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cormac, Leigh, Simon, Others...
Thanks for the great feedback. I certainly hope some others jump in...
Cormac,
There is a body of work where the evaluation of a persons contribution
is evaluated via software; it's not so advanced that it
On Mar 26, 6:44 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great post Simon, I enjoy your wit :)
Which Half?
Maybe I should clarify what I say about learning being free, education
still costs
Hey, that's fine Leigh. We know what we're thinking.
The thing I'm monitoring is the growth of the
represent the
new (global) institutions like sitepoint. The nearest thing to a blog
= http://me.edu.au/p/Simonfj
It's not much but you know it's constructed by education.au, and
they're starting to see that me.edu.au could also be an Aussie's
lifelong learning account = an OpenID to other .edu
Multi Media System = GUMMS.
https://www.enum2go.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=59Itemid=1
regards,
simonfj
ay 4, 1:22 pm, Wayne Mackintosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Nellie,
Hey, thanks for taking the initiative in moving the discussion on how to
build community forward.
Given
Guys, can you help me here,
I'm looking at this conference
http://wiki.ocwconsortium.org/index.php?title=A_Call_for_Papers:_OCWC_Global_2009_-_Content%2C_Infrastructure%2C_and_Creativity
and want to do a comparison between wikipedia, wikieducator, and the
wiki site started by the original
using
OCWC as they provide the biggest OER umbrella I've found.
http://me.edu.au/b/Simonfj/entry/wet_wet_wet_it_must
Lastly, cause Stephen is one of my heroes and usually I agree with
him. Slide 16 . Governments produce institutions. Definitely NO.
They just fund something which needs to be done
Leo,
Are you saying you can't see the WE pages EVER. i.e. because you're
behind the great chinese firewall?
If so could you do a check on anything falling under www.wiki.
and see if you're blocked from anything with wiki in the domain
name.
Do you know which agency does the policy as
On Mar 23, 12:18 pm, Wayne Mackintosh wmackint...@col.org wrote:
Hi Simon,
Posting from Samoa on a flaky internet connection @ the hotel.
Again -- huge apology for the delay in getting back to you on the NREN and
other great ideas. I've just had too much on my plate with my move back to
Carolyn(?),
This is the thing everyone who runs a online joint production
facility like WE is frustrated with.
The main thing holding everyone back is the development of the real
time network which will eventually complement the people producing
content with their preferred web app.(mainly
Hi Wayne, Maria, all,
I'm just interested in the other communities WE might look to
collaborate with. You said;
Always interested in collobarting -- thanks for the offer re WYSIWYGnow we're
all intrested in collobarting,
Can I just point out a few discussions in places not far away. They're
I'm all in favour of this one. Could we have a WG to set up WGs, which
might include a WG for 'Tools and Network'?
and could we include this WG in the conversation?
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group
So far we have, let's see, a wiki as our mainstay, a google group and
a
Would be great if you could join our WG to set up WG policies and procedures
so that we can tackle our communication challenges using our WG polcies (to
be drafted). This is a little confusing -- but hope that you get the drift
:-).
Wayne, You know I can't leave. But please, must WE be
On May 31, 2:01 pm, NELLIE DEUTSCH nellie.muller.deut...@gmail.com
wrote:
Excellent point Randy about Patricia's at this time as nothing on the
Internet is permanent. :)
However, there are many options, including facebook and the soon to come
out, google wave.
Warm wishes,
Nellie Deutsch
Would be great if you could join our WG to set up WG policies and
procedures
so that we can tackle our communication challenges using our WG polcies
(to
be drafted). This is a little confusing -- but hope that you get the
drift
:-).
Wayne, You know I can't leave. But
to turn a few institutional heads
that are unaccustomed to building (industrial strength) solutions for
global communities. We have to start somewhere.
regards, simonfj
PS I'd also be interested to see if you have any problems registering
for ARCS 'FORUMS'. (andrew is the contact
Thanks Maria,
This goes back to Wayne's strategy doc about moving towards a new
institution of learning.
On Jun 30, 2:04 am, Patricia Schlicht pschli...@col.org wrote:
Good Morning!
I would like to add a point to the discussions while we are at it and
add another point of for discussion, which is the promotion of
WikiEducator offsite
1. How does the community feel about setting up
Wayne,
I've been pointing quite a few (wiki moodle centric) people at the
strategy doc, and asking them if they have something similar. My
interest is in how, if they were to collaborate, and (scope and) share
a few projects, we might get past the idea that a domain name is
anything but a
Always good to touch base :-)
ALLways=
Responses in text below.
Thanks Simon -- have you been pointing folk to the most recent page being
used for strategy development of the OER Foundation? See:
http://wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:OER_Foundation/Strategy
(I saw in
like
the dewey system but using domain names or something like that?
Warm Regards
Chris Harvey
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM, simonfj simo...@cols.com.au wrote:
Always good to touch base :-)
ALLways=
Responses in text below.
Thanks Simon -- have you been pointing folk
similar questions to these.
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Key_Questions
So where does your OER strategy fit in this lot?
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Proposals
regards, simonfj
On Jul 18, 3:16 pm, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Everyone,
New
Wayne, Cherry, Gurmit,
Thanks for this one; especially I think we need to concentrate more
on
the whole process of learning rather than put so much store on the
content of learning. I tend to conceptualize this a bit broader. i.e.
the whole concept of media production, and distribution, and the
That was so interesting valerie,
Thanks for the comparison. Wikipedia was entirely collaborative
development from the outset.
Whether intended or not, WikiEducator has been much more about the
practice of open publishing.
I've always been interested in how the two domains would complement
one
For example, WikiEducator and Wikiversity may be perceived by some as
competing projects -- but I don't buy into this rational. We are all
collaborating as nodes in the free culture network contributing towards the
vision of free access to the world's knowledge.
YO!
It seems to me that we
Leo,
I'm intrugued as to why you ask. I've been trying to get OCLC involved
in the OE world forever. Considering we have so many duplications of
(free) edu/research archives and only one webbed world, where OCLC
members do most of the physical classifying, they would seem an
influntial partner.
Geez mate.
It threewww me when I opened the edit page and had the original
looking back at me. Staring; looking for the box with the code (habit
of course). Bloody brilliant!
So when are you going to offer this to the WMF? (and are you going to
have a' save to' box which says, where do you want
Congrats guys,
Yu really are doing wonderful stuff.
Can I bring up this one about the technology required to make the OER
vision a reality. I wish i could talk about the physical
infrastructure/distribution meaningfully but this is beyond me. I've
set myself up an impossible enough task by
Val,
Re the logo. I'm not sure if you link to the logo or have o up load it
to your member's profile.
http://www.merlot.org/merlot/viewMember.htm?id=419049
If it just needs a link then just go up to the wikiedu logo, right
click. copy link location and then insert it in the member's box.
If
The NZ Ministry of Education is funding a trial that incorporates a
test WikiEducator instance into a single sign on infrastructure for a
cluster of schools here. I'm a fan of lightweight mechanisms like
OpenID which I hope the WE community may adopt, since we are not as
strict about
is
the interconnect fees between mobile carriers - wireless (via mobile
networks) being the boomer in most countries at the moment. The other
problem is that Unis can't market to commercial carriers. I'll explain
that one another time.
vamonos
Cheers
Wayne
2009/11/30 simonfj simo...@cols.com.au
simonfj simo...@cols.com.au
Congrats guys,
Yu really are doing wonderful stuff.
Can I bring up this one about the technology required to make the OER
vision a reality. I wish i could talk about the physical
infrastructure/distribution meaningfully but this is beyond me. I've
set myself
Hi Wayne et al,
I'll just vote for the use of Blip as, short term, it offers the
ability to embed a video with an approriate license, and find them via
the cc.org search tool. A bit of a band aid approach but no can say
the WE community ain't creative.
Longer term, in the (academic) video
Thanks Randy,
I've set myself the task of trying to encourage first the network guys
- terena people are mainly the techs from each nren in europe - and
the guys from my alma mater - http://sae.edu/en-gb/news_overview/726/News
- mainly AV guys and web designers in dozens of countries, to start
Just a note; not sure if its of any use.
This is an open source media platform (with transcoder) put together
for the Dutch NREN.
http://www.mediamosa.org/node/20
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Hi Wayne,
I hope you don't mind if i throw this one in. But you know I think as
much about the OE stuff, although I'm more interested in the way that
the (NREN) network guys address the same things. i.e. compared to the
'resources' which gets passed around and stored in them.
I've given you the
On Apr 5, 1:03 am, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Simon,
I agree -- opencast / NREN is a very significant node in the OER
ecosystem. From my perspective -- I see this as one of the strategic
projects which can contribute to taking OER to a new level and possibly as
That's great Joshua, John, Joyce, Edwin,
Let me note this one. what I think
we are talking about is not simply findability of a site, but, rather
being able to continually reach out to people and engage them and connect
them with a project.
It really is the point isn't it? My perspective,
On Apr 9, 2:58 am, Alan awy...@une.edu.au wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for this discussion its highlighted an issue for a site on WE
that I work on a lot but has only small traffic (DE Hub). The curator
idea is interesting, however any limit on the availability of
materials because they have been
Sorry, Forgot to put this link in the para.
And we (the dante
network guys) are just about to have this conversation, at a euro
level with the people who have aggregated huge repository of raw (CC)
materials. I'm pointing to their cummunity page as that's what we are
discussing = what tools do
Hi Victor,
A quick report of where I'm up to.
You'll notice on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_research_and_education_network#List_of_NRENs_by_Geographic_Area
that we've got most of the African NRENs registered. Just waiting for
the West African Association to do their bit.
You'll also
Gee Jan,
I feel a sceptic in our midst, and thank you for it. That said i would
never like to dampen the enthusiasm Ed shows. (I'd forgive any number
of words for the passion Valerie and Ed display).
But OK, we know that;
1. 'education', in points around the world, requires all sorts of
Jim,
I can't give you much help with Kaltura. But you may be interested in
this tool which, although still in beta, is pretty reliable (and open
source). I'll point you at a link up they did between Europe and Sth
America so you can see what it's relabilabiity (by going through the
recordings).
actually construct them.
regards,
simonfj
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Merry Xmas Wayne,
You know I agree with all you are trying to achieve. The problem with
progressing these things is how WE might be able to collaborate with
other communities (like Moodle) in achieving them. The main thing you
point out is that the wiki MODEL is the right one (not the technology
That said - -through collaboration we can expand webinar sessions in
parrallel with initiative designed for large-scale international
collaboration.
Cheers
Wayne
Prospero Año all,
Wayne,
Can i suggest you talk to Nick Jones about the WE community being the
globally-minded guinea pigs for
Hi James,
I've spent quite a bit of time working my way through the links you've
offered, trying to get my head around what microformats (mf) is all
about. I can see it's a grass roots up approach to sharing functions
and content. But it hasn't clicked between me ears, probably as I need
some
Dear Sanjaya,
I should have thanked you for this one a while ago,
http://www.educause.edu/content.asp?PAGE_ID=5989bhcp=1
(Off that educause link on your blog) so thanks and congrats.
I take it you'll be at the new dehli offices of unesco.
At the heart of the Global U is this institution we call The Library.
Absolutely! I think this is the case for for all media affected by the
shift in publishing paradigm, regardless of sector.
It's (sustainable) economics are supported by the shift in network
architecture - from institutional
That's great Wayne,
I took for granted, knowing how WE push things along, that this would
be the case.
But it would be good if you could put up a page; just to start forming
up the strategic agenda. My brain takes ages to work through any
idea, and I write because I get confused when talking in
Interesting. So if I was to try and describe what you have in mind to
a application developer, the spec might be something like.
We want an app that can be included in an online environment/url/
portal that enhances its online library. One reads the 'article'/
watches the video and then hits a
That's good,
Thanks for the notes, especially the question about, How can an
effective clearing house function that supports quality,
cataloguing, information dissemination and other key tasks be
operationalised?
You know my interest is in the networking changes that are developing
globally;
I'm a bit surprised by this one Wayne,
Why would you want to join a site which is empty when WE has something
the UN doesn't have; Community
If the platform were more than a very amateur basic, I give Abel and
crew a little pat on the back but ..
Can i make a suggestion. WE can have a
I didn't want to say this above the radar as it might have cause you
some embarrassment. Elgg is not a platform (in the technical sense).
it is a piece of software. You might understand why I talk about
cheese makers and mousetrap builders. They simply don't speaka de same
lingua.
The main thing
Hi Sarah,
Thanks for this.
I appreciate that you are measuring the conversion. i.e. sales.
Does this mean you will be offering courses on a subscription basis?
i.e. Yes I want to convert, and then onto a sign up and pay page, and
then onto a welcome on the google group. No need for Catherine to
Thanks Wayne,
You know I'm not sure if you realize that you keep pointing at the
obvious problem every uni has; sorry we don't control the IP of
external publishers. It's not external publishers IP of course. It
belongs to the people who (in this case, are trying to encourage) unis
to open their
Dear All,
If you have probs with this link
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/oer-university
try this one. http://groups.google.com/group/oer-university
Wayne you might like to consider linking from the community section on
wikieducator's home page to the OER Uni mail list, (under the
energies.
Cheers
Wayne
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:13 PM, simonfj simo...@cols.com.au wrote:
Thanks Wayne,
You know I'm not sure if you realize that you keep pointing at the
obvious problem every uni has; sorry we don't control the IP of
external publishers. It's not external publishers
This is not a joke!
This is a serious improvement to the OER edukashunal meatketing
stratigi.
Bought to youse bi UNESCO - the Universally Noladgable Edukashun
Sckeme to Confus Optimusts.
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Dear All,
You might be interested in this call for proposals, on both sides of
the Atlantic.
Europe.
http://eacea.ec.europa.eu/bilateral_cooperation/eu_us/funding/calls_2011_en.php
U.S. http://www2.ed.gov/programs/fipseec/index.html
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Dear Patricia, Ramesh,
I'm starting to negotiate on behalf of a few global communities, with
these guys. http://vivu.tv/vivuweb/products/vuroomskype/
The main aim is to offer global communities like WE a virtual room for
free, 24/7 for the long term; in a fixed spot.
Now I know you will have
Wayne,
You're right. It doesn't have a GNU/linux client yet.
If you know of any complete solutions that does, or might have in
the next couple of years, I'd love to know. (please)
N.B. The vucast functionality is important.
The talk about OS solutions go on. This recent cross-Atlantic get
Well, if you consider that because it lacks an OS client at this stage
important, that's true.
As I said; it was just a suggestion to take some first steps.
But it's the networks that are important, not the client.
Just as long as you know that the network managers which WE have to
work across
Geez wayne,
Seems like you have to do all the outreach. I would have thought if
Carina wants people to get involved she's a big enough girl to issue
her own invitations. (wink, nudge) I looked at the page; quite good,
until i read the definition of distance education, and compared it to
the one
Many thanks Wayne,
Carina, please don't think I'm having a go at you. I just hate to see
wayne overworked (which he is all the time).
I'll only make one comment on the problem with engaging NREN guys.
They really do want to help. It's just that mouse trap builders
language is sooo different to
OK, Sorry,
I do have to remember to change mindsets when switching forums,
Let's start this one again at Steve Why Aren't Open Educational
Resources Organizations Supporting Related
Movements? discussion
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Thanks Steve, Rebecca,
It's a bit do as i say, not what I do isn't it?
Can we work this through as It's driving (driven) me nuts as well. The
Related Movements that you are talking about take all sorts of
forms. You point out that client software for OPEN operating systems
is one. One would have
Hi Michael,
Hey, the page looks a bit chaotic. But that doesn't hurt. You've
certainly got me thinking. That tiki-toki tool is interesting. I keep
thinking about how to displays parrallel evolutions.
I'd tend to ask students to do their version, after assembling a few
more interesting
Thanks Wayne,
Nope, I don't agree here -- the longer you perpetuate access to non-free
content (by making sure that non-free content doesn't disappear), the longer
we fuel the monopoly of switches in the network which regulates access and
price to knowledge which should remain free.
I had to
Hi Michael,
Some neat suggestions.
This is all your fault :)
Now you've got me thinking abut parrallel evolutions.
I've been doing a bit of revision.
Yu might want to add another frame to the page.
http://www.w3.org/wiki/The_history_of_the_Web
This one's nice as it gives you the inventor's
Hi Michael,
Re: the jumble on the page, yep. But I do like to see if any of these
widgets has legs.
Thanks for this. I'll keep staring at it from time to time until I
see what order might be the best orientation/layout.
It is interesting to note that you are comfortable with sending me an
Hi Wayne,
I'm reading this from within the new Google+ layout, so excuse me while i'm
getting orientated. I had hoped that Google+ would have offered a way for
groups to auto create circles. No. So I've set up a wikieductor circle
and added you and Jim. But you're the driver. I know Jim's set
Hi patrcia,
You wouldn't like to pop in on the Educause group on LinkedIn would you?
It's getting to be a bit of problem with all these remote channels being
built around brands like 'wikieducator'. The discussion by other global
communty builders isn't hard to find. The discussion is top of
Hiya,
Well, looking at their next get together, where CIO still play the high
priests, it hasn't changed that much. But you know how it works. One can't
change an institution from the outside. BTW. Ive found someone who you'd
love.
Nice backgound,
So that means the agenda for the OERu meeting, using the SCOPE summary is ;
OERu Questions Challenges
How to develop the course materials for learners globally?
Providing not only free education but free authentic, valid and reliable
certification too. Leaners
may need to pay
That's good.
I'm with you here. But it's s different on the other side of the
Atlantic, and the developing world of course. Don't find many for-profits,
unless it's the big brands. It's very 'user pays' at your/my end. It's
'public right' elsewhere, including the OE world.
We have these
That's a nice one to hear.
She's in an interesting position with her company ATiT being in Belguim. And
across (now and past) so many projects like MEDEA and EUscreen,as well as
the edu ones like http://www.e-view-project.eu/ and visced. So her
experience will span our two perspectives.
I'll
You have no idea how often I said get their act into gear, until I got to
understand their position.
It's not that anyone wants to be a firewall. It's simply that just as the
network architecture moved from mainframe/dumb terminal to client/server a
few decades ago, now it's moving to this
Thanks Steve,
I'm glad you changed the header of this one as it's THE most important
discussion WE can have.
This belief of being able to change a fundamentally flawed (education)
system by competition is possibly the thing which retains the status quo.
Your logic is that user pays so a
That's Good Ravi,
No sure where I should put this. http://www.sae.edu/reference_material/
Maybe we should have a reference material/library.
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I've only one thing to say to you and the team.
*That was terrific!
*I doubt if people understand the complexities of trying to do a live
cross, especially when yu have so many people in the one room.
Sound was good (except when splitting the video signal, as we discovered.
The audio halved in
These open meetings provide professional development opportunities which
at the same time contribute to future success of the model.
Yup! They also help to make clear how the open infrastructure is going to
save institutions a heap of pennies.
Nice thing is we don't have to look to hard as to
I'd like to focus on this one by Jim at USQ.
What about the cost of existing institutional licensing agreements with
(i)the vendors of LMS software and (ii) publishers who provide access to
e-library resources, including full text e-content? These financial
agreements are usually a function of
I always find that good minds underestimate themselves. I'm not sorry to
say that you do too. Mind you, considering your work pace, you've gotta say
enough sometiimes.
You've got your feet planted firmly on the ground; with the head not (yet)
in the clouds. And thank God for that.
Just give
*innovation is creativity successfully implemented.
*Yeah, that's good. *All things to all people is always a temptation that
needs to avoided.
*That tweet ***Can't help but wonder if this meeting of #oeru is similar
to a meeting that drafts the constitution of a new country *says it all as
Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah all,
It certainly has been a watershed year, for all sorts of OERers.
Nice to see a reference to Tony pop up. His blog is one of my bookmarks as
well. He's been influential on my thoughts too, along with his countryman
Bill.
Tony for the content and process,
Hi Randy,
I'll admit it's nice to see a lot of money thrown at a specific task,
especially if it comes from a private purse is for the public good. But,
as i read Tony's last entry and consider his perspective, the big
difference is that the initiatives you point at are so parochial, and
Hi Ravi,
I should point out one thing. In UK/Nth Europe and cross Atlantic, they
talk about Virtual OrganiZations (VO) The Z is important if you're
Googling. This is mainly used for Research Orgs. But as we see Research
communities reach out to include their communities of interest, there' s a
Just so we don't spam different communities.
Just did a promo on Educause, and submitted to Media Learning LinkedIn
groups
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OK,
Just so we don't add to the plethora of misunderstandings, let's use
VO.edu as our starting point. So long as we agree that (disciplinary
centric) researchers are trying to let their communities of interest into
their virtual labs (occasionally), while educators are attempting to
compile
THAT'S GREAT.
Sounds like, with a demand like this, you've identified one lesson on an
open educationalist's curriculum.
I was surprised not to see the OERu on this list though.
http://www.openeducationweek.org/
Or are you hiding this lesson up your sleeve, with the idea of introducing
it
Some interesting comments here.
I'd tend to steer away from this one - i am trying to apply a phd program
from USA which focos more on spiritual development of children - if only
because it's a typical problem' i.e. people tend to conflate philosophy
with their religious ideals. Obviously I'd
Hi Wayne,
I did start to do my usual. i.e. act as the advertising manager for remote
OE events and do some cross pollinating between the silos.
So I checked out http://www.openeducationweek.org/category/localevents/
which is pretty disheartening.
Then I noticed the twitter feed, which seems
Pity you're not makng it to the web session, although the fireside address
is welcome.
Seems the dutch will be using this event to start pushing on OCWC europe
which is good. http://opencourseware.eu/OpenEducationEvent2012
The Courseware people don't have the same interest in developing
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/04/world-bank-decides-to-make-its-research-open-access.ars?clicked=related_right
On Saturday, 14 April 2012 02:43:59 UTC+10, Cable Green wrote:
http://www.economist.com/node/21552574
Academic publishing Open sesame When research is funded by the
Hi Jim,
Really sorry I hadn't realized you had set BBB as a webinar tool. Should
have known you'd be beavering away at somethng like this. It really is hard
to get into the habits of the real time world. Or getting used to the
idea of having a regular place to have a chat every day/week/month.
Hi Wayne,
Just a quick note to clarify the idea of a QA answer forum. (which is good
and i know is not cast in stone)
One thing we are coming down to in a few other places is this idea of
having a general space, from which more detailed forums can be linked; a
little like a virtual common
Hi Valerie,
Hope you don't mind me replying here. I'm just thinking through the things
which need to added to the list.
You know I'm always banging on about networks, so this maybe a good point
to see how the deveices (the front end) and the networks which they log
onto (the back end) will
In a word, No.
OERs, as the content-centric part of a philosophy which is demanding more
transparency of ALL our institutions. has about the same chance as all the
other opens = edu, gov, networks, software, science, etc.
Taken separately, as they all are, they are isolated parts of a lovely
,
and where, they need to collaborate.
On Sunday, 8 July 2012 09:15:48 UTC+7, Mokurai wrote:
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:02 AM, simonfj simo...@cols.com.au wrote:
In a word, No.
This turns out not to be the case. OERs and computers now cost less
than printed textbooks, so that they can greatly
In a word, Yes. A key, not the key, but one of the next ones the world
will see.
OERs are as big an advance as printed textbooks were
Yes.
If you think of OER as transparent, static, non-reusable publications
related to education then I can see why you would not be excited
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