Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread Risker
On 14 June 2012 16:36, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: I am not asking for full disclosure, what I am asking is that established user have the right to be notified when and why they are being checkusered. The evidence

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I do see where folks are coming from. To the best of my knowledge, for the past few years on English Wikipedia anyone who has asked the Audit Subcommittee if they have been checked has been told the correct response, and I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread En Pine
I do see where folks are coming from. To the best of my knowledge, for the past few years on English Wikipedia anyone who has asked the Audit Subcommittee if they have been checked has been told the correct response, and I think this is a good thing. On the other hand, what's being proposed

[Wikimedia-l] donate.wikimedia.org.uk has an SSL error

2012-06-14 Thread Tom Morris
If you go to http://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… insecurely. If you go to https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… but you get an SSL certificate error. This seems like a problem. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] donate.wikimedia.org.uk has an SSL error

2012-06-14 Thread Tom Morris
I do apologise. I meant to send this to Wikimediauk-l rather than Wikimedia-l. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread Dominic McDevitt-Parks
I think the idea that making the log of checks public will be a service to those subject to CheckUser is misguided. One of the best reasons for keeping the logs private is not security through obscurity but the prevention of unwarranted stigma and drama. Most checks (which aren't just scanning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread Birgitte_sb
No that is not a fair characterization. Risker explained that these things are handled by each project, not hide her true intentions toward your campaign, but because it ii the way things are. And it is not at all particular to CU issues. What really reeks of obfuscation is using words and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread Dominic McDevitt-Parks
I think the idea that making the log of checks public will necessarily be a service to those subject to CheckUser is misguided. One of the best reasons for keeping the logs private is not security through obscurity but the prevention of unwarranted stigma and drama. Most checks (which aren't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Dominic McDevitt-Parks mcdev...@gmail.comwrote: I think the idea that making the log of checks public will necessarily be a service to those subject to CheckUser is misguided. One of the best reasons for keeping the logs private is not security through

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread David Goodman
The request--at least the original request here-- was not that they be made public. The request was that they be disclosed to the person being checkusered,. There is thus no stigmatization or drama. That it might upset the subject to tell him the truth is paternalism. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread En Pine
Hi Nathan, For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the information disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date of the check and the user who performed the check. What benefit does this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Two points that might help bring people on different sides of the issue closer together. 1. How about notifying people that they have been check-usered 2 months after the fact? By that time I hope all investigations are complete, and is the risk of tipping off the nefarious should be over. 2.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: Two points that might help bring people on different sides of the issue closer together. 1. How about notifying people that they have been check-usered 2 months after the fact? By that time I hope all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 June 2012 16:19, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 June 2012 20:36, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Least surprise is one way to try and get around this problem of not relying on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: Two points that might help bring people on different sides of the issue closer together. 1. How about notifying people that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
Am I correct to summorise here than that CU works because people don't know it doesn't? Almost. It works because people don't know how, don't care how, or don't think they are attracting enough attention to avoid being targeted. ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:22 AM, En Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Nathan, For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the information disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 14.06.2012 19:31, schrieb geni: On 14 June 2012 18:01, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but this is called editorial judgement No its called censorship. Or at least it will be called censorship by enough people to make any debate not worth the effort. It is called censorship right

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 June 2012 13:15, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I argued at some time that if there was a strong need for such a filter that there would already services in place that would filter the content or images. So far i have seen some very week approaches using the Google

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread Tom Morris
On Friday, 15 June 2012 at 13:21, David Gerard wrote: I don't recall seeing any, but did anyone actually explain why the market had not provided a filtering solution for Wikipedia, if there's actually a demand for one? Market failures do sometimes exist. Also, because as far as I can tell,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread James Forrester
On 15 June 2012 04:55, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Supposedly, the data only survives 3 months. If data is being retained much longer than this for investigations that go on for months on the checkuser wiki, that's concerning. We have well-known trolls and repeat vandals who have been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Nathan, For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the information disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date of the check and the user who performed the check. What benefit does this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 June 2012 13:15, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I argued at some time that if there was a strong need for such a filter that there would already services in place that would filter the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:51 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Nathan, For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the information disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-15 Thread Tilman Bayer
Looking into it. Thanks for the notice! On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:46 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: ... == Visitors and Guests == Visitors to the WMF office in May 2012  1. Jocelyn Berl (NexGenEdu) Jocelyn was visiting on behalf of hackthefuture.org, not NextGenEdu. I would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-16 Thread ENWP Pine
I do hear and understand the argument here, but it is somewhat problematic to have to have the argument if we do this, we'll be handing over information to sockpuppeteers we don't want them to have, and we can't tell you what that information is, because otherwise we'll be handing over

[Wikimedia-l] 2011 Picture of the Year Competition

2012-06-16 Thread miya
Dear Wikimedians, The final round for the 2011 Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year contest is now open! The 36 images were chosen from the first round, thanks to voters like you. In order to determine the very best picture of the remaining candidates, you have exactly one vote left. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-16 Thread James Salsman
I also want to say something good. I think the fact that the fundraising team is using multivariate analysis instead of simple A/B testing now is beyond good, it's just spectacular. A/B testing was excruciatingly slow, and this is a huge advance. I hope it means that all the banner text

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 15.06.2012 23:22, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: I don't recall seeing any, but did anyone actually explain why the market had not provided a filtering solution for Wikipedia, if there's actually a demand for one? (IIRC the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tom Morris
On Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 20:21, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: That means they already found a solution to their problem that includes the whole web at once. As you might have noticed it isn't perfect. I guess that it could be easily improved over time. But the image filter had an different goal.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 16.06.2012 23:36, schrieb Tom Morris: On Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 20:21, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: That means they already found a solution to their problem that includes the whole web at once. As you might have noticed it isn't perfect. I guess that it could be easily improved over time. But

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tom Morris
On Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 23:51, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Am 16.06.2012 23:36, schrieb Tom Morris: On Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 20:21, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: That means they already found a solution to their problem that includes the whole web at once. As you might have noticed it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Friday, 15 June 2012 at 13:21, David Gerard wrote: I don't recall seeing any, but did anyone actually explain why the market had not provided a filtering solution for Wikipedia, if there's actually a demand for one?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
I have never seen a censorware that works flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited (incomplete whitelist producing angry mob). Additionally it has to suite the view of the parents and match the age of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 17.06.2012 01:21, schrieb Anthony: I have never seen a censorware that works flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited (incomplete whitelist producing angry mob). Additionally it has to suite the view of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:21, schrieb Anthony: I have never seen a censorware that works flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited (incomplete whitelist producing angry mob). Additionally it has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:21, schrieb Anthony: I have never seen a censorware that works flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Anthony, 17/06/2012 05:05: I still would have been confused. Still am, actually. Did this paragraph have a serious point at all? I hope so, because Wikipedia's porn problem is a serious issue. The point was, I think, that no software is perfect (not even parents' brain) and that parents

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony, 17/06/2012 05:05: I still would have been confused.  Still am, actually.  Did this paragraph have a serious point at all?  I hope so, because Wikipedia's porn problem is a serious issue. The point was,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2012 13:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: No software is perfect.  No solution is perfect.  But don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. You're assuming that a good exists for this function. This assumption is entirely unsubstantiated. - d.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2012 13:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: No software is perfect.  No solution is perfect.  But don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. You're assuming that a good exists for this function. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Andrew Gray
On 15 June 2012 13:21, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I don't recall seeing any, but did anyone actually explain why the market had not provided a filtering solution for Wikipedia, if there's actually a demand for one? I think we had this conversation almost a year ago ;-)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2012 14:50, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical barriers to doing so in general, rather than the flaws with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Andrew Gray
On 17 June 2012 14:53, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2012 14:50, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2012 15:43, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: As there are no major and well-used forks at all, we can't reasonably draw inferences of the desirability of a specific project from its non-existence - we simply don't have the information to make that conclusion. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread geni
On 17 June 2012 14:14, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2012 13:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: No software is perfect.  No solution is perfect.  But don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. You're assuming that a good exists for this function. This assumption

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 17.06.2012 17:16, schrieb Anthony: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: So I think my question - if this is so obviously the right thing, then where are the existing attempts? - still stands as relevant. The fact that it is the right thing isn't obvious,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-17 Thread ENWP Pine
Tilman, Thanks for the report. I would like to suggest that for the foreseeable future (not just for June), these monthly reports should include a fuller set of updates on the editor engagement and retention efforts. My understanding is that this is a high priority effort for WMF, it seems

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andrew Gray, 17/06/2012 15:50: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical barriers to doing so in general, rather than the flaws with any specific model of what it is they want

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-17 Thread Erik Zachte
It may well be that the trends are distorted due to major bug in wikistats. That bug has been isolated, but we need 7-10 days to regenerate all reports. See also http://infodisiac.com/blog/2012/06/wikistats-editor-counts-are-broken/ Sorry for the confusion and inconvenience. Erik Zachte

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 17.06.2012 21:41, schrieb Federico Leva (Nemo): Andrew Gray, 17/06/2012 15:50: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical barriers to doing so in general, rather than the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: It didn't even need to be complete fork. A whitelist copy would most likely already be sufficient for your needs. It would automatically update any article on a white list after a quick review (like sighted

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-17 Thread ENWP Pine
Erik, Thanks for replying. Let me make sure that I understand. The graph at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/new_editors isn’t affected by the bug, and we still believe that we have a declining number of new editors per month. However, the graphs for the number of active editors may be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 00:40, schrieb Anthony: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: It didn't even need to be complete fork. A whitelist copy would most likely already be sufficient for your needs. It would automatically update any article on a white

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tom Morris
On Monday, 18 June 2012 at 02:44, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Every stupid bot could do this. There is no running out of the box solution at the moment, but the effort to set up something like this would be minimal compared to anything else. I would say that Citizendium failed because they did

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 June 2012 08:00, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: {{sofixit}} If all the people in favour of filters had spent their time building them rather than arguing about them, we would have had a wide array of different solutions, without any politics or drama. The problem there is the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 09:21, schrieb David Gerard: On 18 June 2012 08:00, Tom Morrist...@tommorris.org wrote: {{sofixit}} If all the people in favour of filters had spent their time building them rather than arguing about them, we would have had a wide array of different solutions, without any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 June 2012 12:39, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:29, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I guess Tom misunderstood my comment. I wrote down a simple plan how an external solution could work and how to minimize the effort to maintain it.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 June 2012 12:41, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:39, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The Board acted according to the Harris report, which just said to do it on the site itself:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 June 2012 12:42, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:41, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:39, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The Board acted according to the Harris report, which just said to do it on the site itself:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 13:52, schrieb Thomas Morton: On 18 June 2012 08:00, Tom Morrist...@tommorris.org wrote: On Monday, 18 June 2012 at 02:44, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Every stupid bot could do this. There is no running out of the box solution at the moment, but the effort to set up something like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
It is not convincing since it interferes with the work of our editors that aren't interested in such a feature. Seems unlikely. Although please feel to expand on this with specifics. If we tag images inside the project itself then we impose our judgment onto it, while ignoring or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 15:06, schrieb Thomas Morton: It is not convincing since it interferes with the work of our editors that aren't interested in such a feature. Seems unlikely. Although please feel to expand on this with specifics. Any tagging by non neutral definitions would interfere with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 June 2012 15:16, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.comwrote: Am 18.06.2012 15:06, schrieb Thomas Morton: It is not convincing since it interferes with the work of our editors that aren't interested in such a feature. Seems unlikely. Although please feel to expand on this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread James Salsman
If all the people in favour of filters had spent their time building them rather than arguing about them, we would have had a wide array of different solutions, without any politics or drama. That said, if people want to filter Wikipedia, a client-side solution rather than a filtered mirror

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [cc-community] CC 4.0 and the GNU GPL

2012-06-18 Thread Kat Walsh
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Forwarding this from the CC-licenses list.  The WMF should explore what impact, if any, one-way CC-BY-SA to GPL compatibility would have on WMF projects.  Is anyone at the WMF talking to CC/FSF about this? I've been paying

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nathan, 13/06/2012 20:37: In my view, no. I think we need to balance the risk argument for anonymity (dissidents, whistleblowers, people editing topics they wouldn't want to be publicly associated with, etc.) with the benefits of partial anonymity. Among these benefits I'd cite the many news

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour: Wikipedia Education Program

2012-06-18 Thread Rob Schnautz
Just a reminder about the office hours coming up on Thursday this week. The topic for this session has been expanded to include all Foundation-run Wikipedia Education Program initiatives, which take place in the U.S., Canada, Brazil, Egypt, and India. Like all IRC office hours, the format will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Anthony: Have you ever tried to do this?  It's not as easy as you are making it sound, at least it wasn't as of a few years ago, because Mediawiki is tightly coupled to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 19.06.2012 01:39, schrieb Anthony: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Anthony: Have you ever tried to do this? It's not as easy as you are making it sound, at least it wasn't as of a few years ago, because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Anthony: And considering the heavy use of templates which are Wikipedia-specific, presumably you're going to allow for *some* hand-editing. That would be something else than i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Still wikipediocentric

2012-06-18 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
A belated reply... Some new recent developments: A labs environment was set up: http://en.wikisource.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page In the San Francisco hackathon work was done on this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Hackathon_January_2012/ProofRead I plan to work on it more in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-19 Thread David Richfield
I'm actually really shocked that the speedy deletion wiki doesn't have a copy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Juclandia - there's an excellent version of the article on http://microwiki.org.uk/index.php?title=Juclandia , though, so all is not lost. [it seems to be a monstrously

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] media tarballs announcement

2012-06-19 Thread Benjamin Lees
This is great! Forwarding to wikimedia-l. On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Ariel T. Glenn ar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Folks who are interested in downloading tarballs of media for their particular project can now do so from: http://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/wikimedia/imagedumps/tarballs/ In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-19 Thread Mike Dupont
Well, lets see the speedy deletion wiki was just launched, 15 December 2010  it was deleted. I will have to make a plan for getting older articles, they would be possible to get, but it is outside of our time window right now. mike On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM, David Richfield

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 15:06, schrieb Thomas Morton: I don't think that we need this argument since the filter can't replace parents anyway. But it is a constant part of the discussions with various exaggerated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-19 Thread Todd Allen
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 15:06, schrieb Thomas Morton: I don't think that we need this argument since the filter can't replace parents

[Wikimedia-l] Purpose-driven motivation

2012-06-19 Thread MZMcBride
Hi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM9p4o050EY Someone sent this to me earlier this week. It's a ten-minute cartoon video that discusses purpose and motivation. The video lightly touches on technical projects such as Wikipedia, Apache, and Linux and focuses on the research into why people spend

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-19 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: My middle one can very briefly go online alone to a few sites I've already agreed to, and I check up on her a lot. Is Wikipedia one of those few sites? But the whole point is, that's -my- job, not anyone else's, just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose-driven motivation

2012-06-19 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:05 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM9p4o050EY Someone sent this to me earlier this week. It's a ten-minute cartoon video that discusses purpose and motivation. The video lightly touches on technical projects such as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-19 Thread Todd Allen
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: My middle one can very briefly go online alone to a few sites I've already agreed to, and I check up on her a lot. Is Wikipedia one of those few sites?

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland

2012-06-20 Thread Michael Jahn
Dear all, a full English translation of Wikimedia Deutschland's 2011 annual report[1] is available at Wikimedia Commons. Giving you a 40-page equivalent to the German original report[2] (instead of a summary) is a first for Wikimedia Deutschland. [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-20 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: My middle one can very briefly go online alone to a few sites I've already agreed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, actually, along with several other educational ones, some with children's games, her school website, etc. The chances that she would randomly stumble across a sexual image on Wikipedia are -vanishingly- slim, ...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Afripedia, a project to help the development of Wikipedia in French-speaking Africa

2012-06-20 Thread John Andersson
Wow! This is such an interesting and cool project and I wish you all the best with it! It would be truly wonderful if Wikipedia finally could get a better coverage about Africa! John Andersson Wikimedia Sweden From: adrienne.a...@wikimedia.fr Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:47:14 +0200 To:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-20 Thread Todd Allen
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, actually, along with several other educational ones, some with children's games, her school website, etc. The chances that she would randomly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-20 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: {{sofixit}}, just like any area with NPOV/undue weight issues. The next day someone will fix it back. - Douglas Hofstadter Good for him. Care to summarize his argument? I don't particularly care to watch his video, or for

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Highlights for May 2012 now available in العربية (Arabic), ‎dansk (Danish), ‎français (French), 日本語 (‎Japanese), македонски (‎Macedonian), Nederland

2012-06-20 Thread Tilman Bayer
The following translation are now available for the May 2012 Wikimedia Highlights, which combine some of the most relevant information from the Wikimedia Foundation Report and the Wikimedia engineering report for May with a selection of other important events from the Wikimedia movement. Help is

[Wikimedia-l] Endangered languages, a new project by Google

2012-06-21 Thread emijrp
A new project by Google to protect endangered languages around the world: http://www.endangeredlanguages.com English blog post: http://googleblog.blogspot.com.es/2012/06/endangered-languages-project-supporting.html Spanish translation:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Seth Finkelstein
Reply-To: References: CAHRTtW_LoeHFcPb6vUmw7BwOqJECuvSR1-gqNWcC7kmZ=nf...@mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: CAHRTtW_LoeHFcPb6vUmw7BwOqJECuvSR1-gqNWcC7kmZ=nf...@mail.gmail.com Andreas Kolbe As Seth Finkelstein pointed out the other day, there is opposition to pornography both from the right, on a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endangered languages, a new project by Google

2012-06-21 Thread shi zhao
license under the cc-by-3.0, see http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/tos/ Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/ My blog: http://shizhao.org twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao [[zh:User:Shizhao]] 2012/6/21 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com Brilliant. The WM language committee and/or

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Input on new models

2012-06-21 Thread Samuel Klein
Forwarding on behalf of Bence. -- Forwarded message -- From: Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:41 PM Subject: [Movementroles] Input on new models Hi all, Currently, the Chapters/Affiliations Committee is considering the procedural elements needed for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endangered languages, a new project by Google

2012-06-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Samuel Klein, 21/06/2012 16:07: Brilliant. The WM language committee and/or lenguasoriginarias might want to apply to join the Alliance for Linguistic Diversity. http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/about/#about_alliance Are they actually doing something or is this only a showcase-site/forum?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Todd Allen
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Heh.  Sorry, I have to laugh any time I hear a...person heavily versed in Wikipedia-speak...use the word consensus. That's the way the project works. You

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Child porn is illegal, that's been upheld by the Supreme Court repeatedly, end of discussion. If 2257 were similarly upheld to apply even in circumstances of educational/artistic work, I suppose we'd similarly have to follow it like it or not, but it is untested in such areas, and I suspect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Afripedia, a project to help the development of Wikipedia in French-speaking Africa

2012-06-21 Thread Hubert
wow, really fantastic! Sounds like pioneer-work! hubertl Am 20.06.2012 22:43, schrieb Adrienne Alix: [Apologize for cross posting... ] Hello, Wikimedia France is very happy to announce a great new project : A partnership has been formalized on last Friday between Wikimédia France,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Yann Forget
2012/6/21 Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com: Incidentally, a Commons copyright specialist is currently being banned for copyright specialist? Is this supposed to be a joke? A 4th degree sargasm? An alien way of defining a specialist? Or anything else? Yann (cut nonsense rethoric about the PK

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Many images on Wikipedia have been taken without the subject's genuine consent.  So surely that isn't the issue. Many are transferred to Commons from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Secondly, I'm not talking just about sexually explicit photos. Wikipedia has photos of people being or about to be [[behead]]ed, [[torture]]d, [[kidnap]]ped, [[assassination]]ed, etc.  I checked, and there's no photograph of

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