Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2012/7/24 Frederic Schutz sch...@mathgen.ch:
 Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter?

 If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland,
 actually less than 2km away from my place). I'm not overly optimistic, but
 it may be worth a try.


According to what is written there:

http://www.london2012.com/media-centre/

It is actually too late to apply for press/photo accreditation :-(


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2012/7/24 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com:
 2012/7/24 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il:
 Hi,

 The Olympic games are beginning soon. Apparently, ticket holders
 cannot use photo equipment longer than 30cm and cannot use the photos
 and videos for commercial purposes without accreditation.

 Practically everything that happens at the Olympics is notable and
 should be on Wikipedia, Commons, etc. Does anybody know whether there
 are professional accredited photographers who are Wikimedia-friendly
 and plan to upload their photos? If there aren't any, does anybody
 know whether a Wikipedian can obtain such accreditation?

 This doesn't concern me directly, but there are many, many people who
 write Wikipedia articles about sports in all languages and it may be
 interesting to them. Also, it may be a frequent issue in sports and
 I'm just not aware of it because I rarely follow sports.

 Sources for the restrictions:
 * http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html
 * PDF: http://j.mp/london2012prohibited

 I think this another layer of problems besides copyright, with
 CC-BY-SA the author grants permission to reuse the photo also for
 commercial purposes without requesting permission to the author. But
 there are many other layers of rights which could interfere with the
 free (or better the anarchic) reuse of a photo. For example I think
 that using an image of Usain Bolt to promote a book without explicit
 permission from the athlete (or his agent) is anyhow unlawful even if
 the photo was taken, for example, in the street and freely licensed.
 That said I think with can treat photo from the Olympics in a similar
 way as we do for photos with personality rights, we could put a
 template saying Olympics photo warning: to reuse for commercial
 purposes this photo you should obtain permission from IOC and/or
 individuals depicted in the photo.
 The point is that the author of the photo allows for it the widest
 possible reuse permitted by CC-BY-SA, thus sharing part of its
 copyright with others,  but if one wants to use the photo for
 commercial purposes that he should go (himself, not the author)
 through the hassle of obtaining permission from the relevant subjects.

 Could it work?


No. CC-BY-SA clearly allows for commercial use of works, and there is
also clause that the licence cannot be accompanied by extra
restrictions which are not compatible with the licence.  However,
CC-BY-SA is only copyrights licence, so all other legal restrictionz
are still in power. For example: using someone's face in big-scale
commercial or political campaign may be treated as a infringement of
personal rights, even if the face is taken from CC-BY-SA picture...



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

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2012/8/20 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
 On 20 August 2012 12:50, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm sure that collectively we can bloviate with the best of 'em on the
 topic - but do we have any case law whatsoever anywhere on the topic
 that might give real-world pointers?

 It's a question of fact, not a question of law.


 Then any real-world examples of the question arising.


The case I was writting was a set of human tissue pictures taken by a
members of research group working in university clinic in my city.

This is just an example:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adenocarcinoma_highly_differentiated_%28rectum%29_H%26E_magn_400x.jpg

I had discussion about it with our (Wikimedia Polska) lawer and the
legal department of the clinic. First of all the research group had
agreement from all his patients to publish this pictures in anonymous
way (i.e. not revealing to whom belongs the photographed tissues).
Then - they claimed, that although their work might be copyrightable,
they resigne from any copyright claims and finally their decission was
approved by clinic authorities (i.e. clinic had also resign from any
copyright claims no matter if they are applicable or not).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing language wide

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2012/9/20 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 19 September 2012 13:17, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest_editing for a
  placeholder.

 Just for the record, there's a difference between paid editing and conflict
 of interest editing.  One can easily have a conflict of interest without
 receiving any financial remuneration.


 And you could be paid to edit without having a conflict of interest.  Some
 wiki-friendly donor could set up an anonymous fund to pay stipends to
 people to edit wikipedia for a year.  funded grad students in wiki studies
 are close.


Well.. English Wikipedia defines the conflict of interest on this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paid_editing_on_Wikipedia

n the context of Wikipedia, conflict of interest editing is the
editing of Wikipedia articles by people whose background means that
their motives are likely to conflict with the encyclopedia's
neutrality policy. Conflict of interest editing includes paid editing
or paid advocacy, when employees, contractors, or those with financial
connection to individuals, products, corporations, organizations,
political campaigns or governments edit articles related to those
subjects. Although these edits may often involve minor factual
corrections and changes, significant media attention has revolved
around the editing of articles which removes or downplays negative
information and adds or highlights positive information by editors
with a conflict of interest.

Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline states (as of 2012) that a
conflict of interest (COI) is an incompatibility between the aim of
Wikipedia, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced
encyclopaedia, and the aims of an individual editor, and that COI
editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote your
own interests or those of other individuals, companies, or groups.
Where advancing outside interests is more important to an editor than
advancing the aims of Wikipedia, that editor stands in a conflict of
interest.


So, using Wikipedia for paid promoting of a city or a state by pushing
placement of the links to the relevant articles on the main page of
Wikipedia is or is not a conflict of interest? IMHO - at least
potentially there is a conflict of interest. Bear in mind that there
is quite long queue for Did you know section of main page. So, if
you push your (paid) articles using your possition and authority in
Wikipedia community, then other, less influential editors must wait
longer or the articles nominated/written by them will never appear on
the main page. I think the question can be fairly answered by checking
how the process of selection happened in case of Gibraltar related
articles - if there are proves that there was a kind of unfair
advocacy - for example organizing a group of editors to bias the
selection process we can say about conflict of interest and unfair
behavior.

I can't see the conflict of interest with providing paid QR-code based
service with use of Wikipedia content - this is an external feature -
and indeed anyone can organize it itself - but paid editing of
Wikipedia which results in systematic bias on behalf of the contractor
is quite obviously a conflict of interest. Is it possible to do paid
editing without putting to Wikipedia systematic bias? Maybe in some
cases yes - but IMHO there is very often such a danger even if the
resulting articles as read separately are OK.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2012/10/14 James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com:
 Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on
 Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One does
 not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws however this will be
 clearly described in the policies once incorporated.


Authority - none - but as the main goal of chapters is just to support
Wikimedia projects and communities as a whole rather without any
direct influence over project's content or rules of the projects,
thematic associations are clearly about the content of projects as
such. If Wikimedia Medicine activity had no any impact over medical
content of Wikipedias there would not have any sense to have such
organization :-)

I think it is nothing wrong with it, I rather see great opportunity
here - for example in bringing more professionals to edit Wikipedias
and - maybe - be able to successfully apply for scientific grants from
relevant governmental and private sources...


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2012/10/17 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il:
 2012/10/17 Strainu strain...@gmail.com:
 2012/10/17 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 This has been discussed in the language committee. In the committee we all
 agreed that the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start without any
 interference of us and that new languages should start through the normal
 process because from now they are just like any other new project in a
 language.

 But how about languages already existing in Wikitravel? They already
 have the content, if not the community.

 As Gerard said, the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start
 without any interference.


But the question is about exisitng Wikitravel languages. For example
there is hebrew Wikitravel but there is no hebrew Wikivoyage.

http://wikitravel.org/he/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99

Actually the hebrew version of wikitravel has only 102 articiles but
for example Polish:

http://wikitravel.org/pl/Strona_g%C5%82%C3%B3wna

has 2585, although actually is in fact half-dead and going through the
incubator-language committee process will rather discourage the tiny
community of Polish wikitravel to switch to vikivoyage, so the effect
will be that Polish wikivoage won't appear in predictable future. I
guess the same will be with other mid-size wikitravel language
versions of which there are a couple around...

Hope I am wrong anyway :-)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2012/10/17 Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com:
 2012/10/17 Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk:

 I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on Wikitravel but not
 Wikivoyage.

 Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in August,
 there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue from the
 project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language community
 needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from the very
 beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator.


So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel language
versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will rather
stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these
langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming process of
incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join
without any obstacles...


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A place for project wide discussions

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2012/11/16 Stefan Fussan derfu...@gmail.com:
 The Wikivoyage project is online now and i want to thank all of you who
 have been involved with this process.

 On the former Wikivoyage project we used to have a wiki called general: for
 discussions that affect all language versions. I wonder why the WMF project
 dont have something like this. Now I am trying to find a new place where we
 all can:
 - discuss new features
 - discuss about the travel guide's structure
 - coordinate the work with templates to reduce redundant work
 - coordinate the work on travel maps
 - providing a set of English meta articles with rules and regulations that
 we can hand over the community when a new language version is going to start
 - providing a list of star articles in all language versions. Contributors
 to an article will have an easy access to basic information without looking
 through all wikis. Speaking a foreign language is not necessary to pick
 basic information (structure of districts, list of sights, addresses,
 hotels ...)

 I know, there is the meta wiki. But I am not sure. Maybe its too meta. And
 the discoussion page or a Wikivoyager's Lounge may be too small. Ok... the
 set of meta articles can be placed in anywhere the Incubator. But the
 remaining stuff? Maybe a separate Namespace for the WMF projects at Meta,
 maybe a wiki like our general:

 Any ideas?


Maybe the simplest solution would be to create a meta wikiproject and
associated portal?

See:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Special_interest_groups

and an example:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomen%27s_Collaborative


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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Polska annual report

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Hi,

We just published on meta our yeary report (November 2011-Novemeber 2012):

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Polska/November_2011-November-2012

Cheers,


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2013/2/6 Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org:
 I think the failure of the WCA process thus far has shown an enormous
 lack of connection between chapter bureaucracy and what editors
 actually care about.

 Wikimedians have a rightful distaste for off-wiki bureaucracy. The
 distinct lack of formal bureaucracy and organisation (we, of course,
 create our own bureaucracy - see http://enwp.org/WP:WTF ) is one of
 the chief things about Wikimedia projects that a lot of us like. I've
 sat on far too many committees in my life. I have kept a small eye on
 the WCA discussions and have yet to see compelling reasons to think
 that it would do anything to actually directly help the projects. I'm
 sure if I pulled 10 random admins from English Wikipedia and asked
 them what the WCA is, they wouldn't be able to tell me, or they'd give
 me a cynical answer like it's an empire-building project for
 political players in chapters.


Well, I think your division of wikimedians bureaucrats and editors is
a bit weird, at least regarding WCA members and very en-Wikipedia
centered. Actually vast majority of WCA members are active editors of
various Wikimedia projects. Probably you can't find to many edits of
them on English Wikipedia, but take a look (at least sometimes) on
other Wikimedia projects. Wikipedias in other languages, Wikimedia
Commons, Books, News etc..

See for example Ziko edit history in Wikimedia Commons:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ziko

Take 10 random English Wikipedia admins and ask them what the FDC is -
I guess the result will be similar to the question regarding WCA.

Or ask them what is the difference between Human Resources
Administrator and Director of Human Resources, and what these
people are actually doing which benefit directly Wikimedia projects...



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2013/2/21 Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote:

 I personally feel more comfortable if the OTRS system is maintained by
 WMF and not by any small (or even larger) Wikimedia chapter - even my

 We were talking about local versions.

 Global OTRS _will_not_ be operated by wmhu (we neither want nor offer
 it); the question was who can support the administration of the _WMF_
 OTRS. WMF can use south-sudanese contractors to run it if it pleases,
 or a chapter, or whoever, it's the same: all the responsibilities stay
 at WMF.


Yes.. sure organizing local OTRS system is up to the local chapters,
but bear in mind we are talking about official E-mail addresses of
relevant Wikimedia projects. The personal data included in these
E-mails is subject of WMF privacy policy:

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Access_to_nonpublic_data_policy

E-mails sent to OTRS contain quite often very fragile personal data -
such as real names of editors, home addresses, phone numbers etc.

And I guess WMF will never let to operate it or store by any third
party including chapters.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2013/2/24 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com:
 Why We don't change your license in pages that gonna receive this content?
 (I know this is not the best license ever made, but why always the other
 need to be adapt to us, not the opposite?)


Using GPL license for textual content hardly make any sense... It puts
users to a kind of uncertainty what he/she really can do with it as
the license does not contain explanation what is allowed to do with
content, which is not a piece of software. Open wiki textual content
has to be uniformly licensed as every edit is from legal POV creation
of derivative work of previous version.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2013/3/20 James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I won't argue the fact that there is value in protecting the
 iconography of the Wikimedia movement from abuse. What I argue with is
 the approach of the legal department - to unilaterally, and without
 notice, contradict the purpose of a set of logos by declaring
 ownership over them, and then to at the same time suggest the
 community hold a contest to create a whole new set of logos over which
 the WMF will supposedly not take the same action.


 I'll be the first to say I think the idea of having a contest to create a
 new logo is a bit silly. I think we should continue to use the
 meta/community logo and that it's allowed use for the community should be
 very very broad (much broader then we would allow for the Wikipedia Globe
 for example). I think we have enough issues with  branding given what I
 would consider mistakes in the past and present and we don't need 'yet
 another' for the community (given that we also use all of the other logos
 to represent the community at times).

I agree - it hardly make any sense, especially because the story may
happen again. If the new logo is popular it will be trademarked by WMF
as well :-)




 I don't, however, think that they did the wrong thing here. I've been
 around meta and the community for a long time and I would have honestly
 assumed long ago that the community logo was trademarked and the foundation
 was just very free in letting it be used. All of the foundations trademarks
 were going through registration processes around the world because they
 realized that our portfolio did not cover us very well. This made total
 sense to be included in it.

Well, actually the legal situation is defined by trademark policy of WMF:

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy

According to this policy it applies to the following logos:

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks

so it includes MediaWiki and community logos as well in similar way as
Wikipedia logo. You can read in the policy:

The following basic guidelines apply to almost any use of the
Wikimedia Marks in printed materials, including marketing, articles
and other publicity-related materials, and websites:

Proper Form - Wikimedia Marks should be used in their exact form —
neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words (e.g.,
Wiki or MyWikipedia rather than Wikipedia);
Notice - The following notice should appear somewhere nearby (at least
on the same page or on the credits page) the first use of a Wikimedia
Mark: [TRADEMARK] is a ['registered', if applicable] trademark of the
Wikimedia Foundation;
Distinguishable - In at least the first reference, we ask that the
trademark should be set apart from surrounding text, either by
capitalizing it or by italicizing, bolding or underlining it. In
addition, we ask that your website avoid copying the look and feel of
the Wikimedia websites — again, we do not want the visitor to your
website to be confused about which company he/she is dealing with.
Attention Paid to Visual Guidelines - any use of the Wikimedia Marks
should substantially comply with our Trademark and Logo Usage Policy
and our Visual Identity Guidelines. 

And  - when you take a look at:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MediaWiki_logos

and to:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Community_Logos

you see that all of them (except originaly trademarked) broke the
trademark policy rules :-) The are combined with other words and
graphs, they have no notice, they do not follow any visual guidelines
etc. :-)  So - in fact they should be deleted as a WMF trademark
policy violation - or trademark policy should be modified.  Bear in
mind that even toolserver logo - which is obviously a derivative work
of community logo - should not be used according the current WMF
trademark policy. I think it is not intended, and WMF will never do
any legal action towards the creators and users of this derivative
logos - but all this situation is unclear at the moment. I think this
is a job for WMF Board of Trustees to clarify the situation - for
example by excluding MediaWiki and community logos from the rules
forbiding creation of derivative logos and  Visual Identity
Guidelines.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Question: How much does administration in Chapters cost the Wikimedia movement?

[Tomasz Ganicz]

 It is disappointing that no organization has readily come forward in
 reply to my original question with their pre-calculated
 program:fundraising:administrative cost ratios (I love this way of
 conceiving of the ratio) it would be really handy to be discussing a
 real case at this moment. I will have a bit more time in a couple of
 weeks, at which point I will happily dig into the standards you have
 linked to, and then pull these out of an example past report, if I can
 find a good set of numbers in one of the large chapters (WMDE, WMUK?)
 or even the WMF, so that we can discuss the meaningfulness of starting
 to make this ratio a top level indicator for all our movement
 organizations.

If you want, we can try with Wikimedia Polska. Here there is a rough table:

http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/U%C5%BCytkownik:Polimerek/Spraw_zarzadu#Finanse

just showing our ratio of operational costs and other parts of our
costs for 2012.

In our case the operational costs are well defined by general rules of
accounting, but they differ from your definition - i.e. it does not
cover all salaries if they are integral part of the projects, but does
cover salaries of our secretary and accountant. But for example it
also covers cost of our toolsever and internet domains...

IMHO the general reporting could be like this:
*General operational/office costs (salaries of office workers, cost of
maintaining office, cost of legal stuff, cost of travels and meetings
of workers and members of the boards and other decisive bodies)
*Technical infrastructure costs (servers etc. + salaries of
technicians who maintain it )
*Costs of projects and special programs (overall, salaries, meetings,
travel, technical, others) - maybe spread by a type of program (ie.
producing content, software improvement, outreach, promotion, others)

+

*General info about overall costs of all salaries (easy to calculate
and define).
*General info about costs of all travel reimbursements (easy to
calculate as well)
*General info about costs of all meetings and conferences.


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[Wikimedia-l] Train Wikiexpedition in Poland

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Hi,

We are about to organize a wikiexpedition devoted to train
infrastructure in Poland. It will be officially co-organised with
Polish Railways. Polish Railways will provide us free tickets for
traveling across Poland using any trains and special passes to legally
enter and photograph rail tracks, workshops, rail yards, cargo railway
stations, museums belonging to Polish Railways  etc.  In order to get
the pass it will be obligatory to undergo a special basic one-day
railtrack safety training which will be provided for  free by Polish
Railways employees. Actually we don't know what time it will happen -
for sure during summer, but it is actually to negotiate. It is
possible to have several 2-4 people teams. The requirements will be
just:
*being devoted wiki-photographer ready to submit photos to Wikimedia
Commons under free licences
*being highly crazy about railways stuff - i.e. be ready to travel
across Poland using mainly slow, local trains which stops on every
tiny station, sleep in low cost hostels, feed yourself for 32 PLN a
day  :-)
*You don't need to speak Polish - we can try to organize a mixed teams
fro both training and expeditions.

If there is anyone ready for such a wiki-safari - just drop me an E-mail...



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

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2013/4/29 Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl:

 My perception of this round of the FDC is mainly that it is very clear that
 there needs to be much more and clearer information about GAC and about
 what kinds of projects and chapters are better suited for the FDC.


Actually the information how GAC works is IMHO much more clear that
for FDC. The criteria are well described, and the process is made
almost completely transparent. But - judging from from what kinds of
applications are accepted via GAC and which are not - it is clear that
application to GAC is not a reasonable way for chapters
professionalisation. Actually vast majority of chapter's application
to GAC for funds to professionalize are usually withdrawn. Among
others - the WM NY, WM CZ, WM CA, WM BR, WM ID, WM UA applications
were withdrawn in 2012/2013 - sometimes their applications were
withdrawn completely (WM CZ among others) or partially - with cut off
of the salary/office costs. WM EE, WM Kenya and WM India - were
accepted. In case of WM EE and WM Kenya it is clear that these
chapters probably won't achieve a professionalization level in
predictable future, maybe Indian chapter has a real chance and impact.
Anyway - judging from the list of withdrawn applications the GAC is
for sure not a solution for professionalisation.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Table

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

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2013/4/30 Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl:

 Many members of the community (as it was confirmed in the discussions on
 Milan conference) are e.g. uncertain about part-time employment
 possibilities through GAC, as well as about professionalization efforts
 being funded through GAC scheme (both possible to some extent). I believe
 that it is imperative that a clear guideline is prepared.


Actually it is here:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index/Eligibility_requirements

Grants through this program do not fund full-time permanent staff
salaries and other recurring operating expenses, such as the rent of
an office. In some cases, WMF Grants Program grants may fund part-time
positions or full-time temporary positions with a limited focus and
scope of work related specifically to the activities of the funded
project. Requests for part-time staff will be accompanied by an
assessment of the applicant's ability to effectively manage staff, and
may require necessary infrastructure to support staff (such as
policies around travel reimbursements, and hiring). Full-time staff
and recurring operating expenses will only be funded via the Funds
Dissemination Committee (FDC) process. Note that entities receiving
funds through the FDC process may not receive funds through the WMF
Grants Program during the same fiscal year.


although it is a bit misleading, as in several cases (WM AR, WM SR, WM
IN, WM DC) it was accepted to pay for renting an office.

I wonder if it will be accepted to apply to GAC for temporary position
for the person responsible for preparation of FDC application :-)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The one-employee secretariat model

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2013/5/1 Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com:


 True. Not all associations are looking for such support and indeed, the
 association needs to show a decent amount of activity to make it worth it.

 Note that in many cases, the secretary hired for such positions is NOT a
 student, but rather an experienced person willing and able to do
 multitasking stuff in an autonomous manner and rather looking for a
 long-term position. This balances the fact the volunteers come and go and
 that the board term is often for a limited time (2 or 3 terms maximum). This
 secretary provides an unvaluable element of stability.

In our case (Wikimedia Polska) we were very careful with hiring. The
idea appeared around 2009, but there was no money for both having an
office and paid secretary at that time and it was decided that it
hardly make sense to have empty office or paid secretary working at
home. Next year we had enough money for both. Before hiring we had
made of list of duties and a list of skills needed for doing this
duties. Our first secretary was hired only for a year contract and for
part time (3 days a week  4 hours of work in the office + some duties
outside the office). Our first secretary was mainly working as a
attorney's assistant and work for us was just her extra job. She left
us after a year, as demanded by her attorney boss. Then we hired the
next person - with some modified list of duties and skills needed -
for 4  days of week, still 4 hours of work in an office). Finally -
just in the middle of last year we decided to employ the secretary for
full time. It was decided due to gradual increase of our activity
which need more paper work.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] UK.Gov passes Instagram Act

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2013/5/2 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
 On 2 May 2013 04:06, shi zhao shiz...@gmail.com wrote:

 see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/29/err_act_landgrab/


 As usual, Orlowski is trolling for clicks. Here's the actual text:

 http://niaccurshi.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/orphan-works-enterprise-and-regulatory.html


And The Economist POV:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2013/05/orphan-works

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] UK.Gov passes Instagram Act

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2013/5/2 geni geni...@gmail.com:
 On 2 May 2013 04:06, shi zhao shiz...@gmail.com wrote:

 see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/29/err_act_landgrab/



 Dude this is Wikimedia-l. Home to rather a lot of copyright nerds. If there
 was actually a significant problem with the law don't you think we would
 have raised the issue back when it was first proposed?

 Seriously I've seen this topic floating around on various photography
 sites. Any idea who is behind the campaign and why?


Actually in Poland there is a public discussion about adoption of EU
directive about orphan works in which we are active together with
several other NGO's workong together under umbrela of Coalition for
Open Education:

http://koed.org.pl/blog/2013/04/30/dziela-osierocone-i-dziela-niedostepne-w-handlu-stanowisko-koalicji-otwartej-edukacji/

Although EU directive is not very good for us - the EU countries still
have some freedom how to adopt it to its local law. Therefore as part
of our involvement in public discussion we wrote a detailed opinion
how it could be adpoted in Poland to make orphan works as freely as
possible available...

http://koed.org.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/stanowisko_KOED_dziela_osierocone.pdf

Probably substantial part of it could be used in other EU countries as well...


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Train Wikiexpedition in Poland

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Yes.. Organisers have just created a separate page for this
expedition, so please add your name here:

http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiekspedycja_kolejowa_2013/przygotowania



2013/5/23 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
 Matthew Roth, 23/05/2013 19:45:

 Tomasz just published a post on the Wikimedia blog about this:
 http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/23/wikimedia-train-expedition-poland/

 Feel free to retweet and share it, if you're into the social networks:
 https://twitter.com/Wikimedia/status/337595719265439745
 https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia/posts/10151584522723346
 https://plus.google.com/u/1/108193079736330787108/posts/M9bB8PDuwCV

 Thanks also to Justin Duranboger for the translation to Spanish!


 I read it earlier today and I don't understand the instructions, which seem
 to contradict this:

 On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Tomasz Ganicz wrote:

 [...] If there is anyone ready for such a wiki-safari - just drop me an
 E-mail...


 Do those emails still count? Where does one add the name in that page, which
 seems to have only ready-to-go groups?

 Nemo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Bear in mind that OSM is a community such as we are, with its own
habits and ideas. The idea of OSM is to have everything in one databse
which structure is very open. You can actually put there almost
everything which can be connected with the points, lines or areas and
exist on our mother Earth. See:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features

You can also propose a new features to be added to the official OSM
database schema. It is disussed by OSM community in similar way as a
new ideas in Wikipedia.

 OSM has actually its own API which is free to use:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.6

It can be used both for creating new tools for editing of OSM as we as
creating new functionalities based on OSM data.



2013/8/25 Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com:
 Hello,

 Apart from the politics side and the end-of-the-world aspects there
 are good points raised.

 Right now there are some services based on the google map, mainly the
 map itself, panoramio which puts images on map, routing engine
 calculates directions, and several other layers exists on the map.

 There is open content map: OSM. Image collections with geoinformation
 exists, like Commons. Routing exists like YOURS, or graphhopper.
 Geocoded wikipedia articles exist, and possibly several open geocoded
 contents as well.

 There is a point to bring these together and WMF have the resources
 (both monetary and hardware-wise) to make it done. All the open-source
 tools exist, WMF have the resources to host a tile server (or better
 yet a vector tile server), we already host Commons, so it's well
 possible to provide such a community-based resource.

 Possibly the largest task would be to make an exceptionally good and
 future-proof plan of all of these. Google made it wise, they are
 pretty modular so they can insert new services easily. We can do that,
 we are more numerous. ;-) With a good API it's possible to get
 together something like goog earth where people can use provided
 layers as well as insert new ones for themselves form the
 layer-collections.

 I personally would like to see geocoded commons images to appear on a
 map to be able to use it instead of panoramio (even if I see the vast
 problems with commons and the assurance of free and useful images;
 it's hard to say how useful is an image of a field, hill or some
 streets).

 IMHO.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo Message-ID

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Actually said logo was created by WarX:.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg

in order to make the creator more presonalized, see his Wikipedia userpage:

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedysta:WarX

Indeed, he is quite an individual ;-)



2013/10/9 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
 The big problem is that it's pretty obvious WMF could legally
 obliterate Federico and John, and pointing the legal equivalent of an
 M1 Abrams tank at them - as you have - does give the impression that
 this is the aim.

 I suggest, however, that this would not only fail to win hearts and
 minds, but would in fact lose many. As such, the WMF's approach might
 benefit from consideration in this regard. Remembering that Federico
 *created* said logo.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

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2013/12/30 Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com:
 I have no role or participation on Commons, but from my work on English WP
 I'm aware of the very real copyright status of free as a practical matter
 although someone could theoretically make a disputed technical argument
 otherwise.

 One solution, where there is a good-faith argument the image is free and no
 rights-holder claiming otherwise, would be a disclaimer. Perhaps something
 along the lines of It is believed this image is in the public domain [or,
 the status of this image depends on resolution of an open legal issue, or
 whatever] and therefore eligible for inclusion on Wikimedia Commons and for
 re-use. However, it is possible that the free status of this image could be
 disputed because [brief explanation of reason]. Potential re-users should
 therefore proceed cautiously.


There are actually many templates saying something similar on Commons
- regarding trademark issues, privacy issues, etc. Even template
US-Gov-PD has such a similar statement - just because it is not always
clear if the US-Gov-PD works are always PD in other jursdictions. The
typical example are pictures of Obama and his family - taken by his
personal photographer who is employed by White House (thus he is
US-Gov employee) - but the pictures are issued on Flickr and several
other places under various licences with personality rights
disclaimers...


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2014/1/9 Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl:
 I totally agree with MZMcBride and Erik. It also depends and what the money
 go for. If somebody is paid to bend the rules or use their privileged role,
 it is an obvious problem. If somebody is paid a compensation for the costs
 incurred in collecting materials (as sometimes is the case with scanners,
 photos, etc.), it obviously isn't. And the area between is grey and
 undefined.

 As you possibly know, I believe that outright forbidding all paid editing
 results in a situation when people still do it, but in secrecy. This is not
 good for us, as it increases the amount of work needed to eradicate such
 edits.

 I think that we should allow paid edits under certain conditions (although
 obviously not allow paid advocacy), when all encyclopedic standards are
 fulfilled, but require full transparency and disclosure, to allow better
 tracking and evaluation of such edits. I also believe that transparency and
 disclosure of even potential COI is crucial (and unfortunately impossible
 under current rules).


Yes, but the question is how to enable such a system. If the rules for
paid editors were to be very strict - many paid editors would have
still decide to do it in secrecy anyway, as it would have been simply
easier for them. It might be like with infamous registered lobbyst
system in Polish Parliament. Since  registered lobbyst system was
enabled 12 years ago in Polish Parliament only 6 people decided to
register, while all other lobbysts still act in secrecy :-)

System in German Wikipedia registers institutional/corporal editors -
who for sure join the Wikipedia in order to support interest of their
institutions/corporations. One can still do it following the Wikipedia
rules - for example remove unsourced bias, keep pages updated, fix
basic facts, such as the name of CEO etc.  And - in the same time one
can still have accounts for doing evil things - sockpuppeting in
disucssions and votes, forcing obvious bias etc...






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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Non-free images in collaborations

[Tomasz Ganicz]

We are puting information about colaboration on our chapter's wiki -
with uploading logos locally with agreement of logo owners. Many
Wikipedias - including Polish one does not accept non-free media at
all.

2014-03-09 6:07 GMT+01:00 James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com:
 Currently our policies do not allow the use of logos of organizations we
 are collaborating with, even with permission from these organizations, in
 the non mainspace areas of Wikipedia where we are collaborating.

 As this use with permission is legal, it is not in mainspace, and it
 promotes the development of Wikipedia I have started a RfC here
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#Logos_of_organizations_one_is_collaborating_withsuggesting
 that we allow it. Thoughts?

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Polska General Assembly

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Hi,

Wikimedia Polska has had its General Assembly on May 10 in Poznań, Poland.
There was 46 members present (+ 4 voting by their representatives).
The Assemble accepted financial and general report of th Board,
discussed about future plans, and elected new Board, Revision
Committee and Internal Court.

The new Board consists of:

President of the Board: Tomasz Ganicz (Polimerek)
Vicepresident of the Board: Michał Buczyński (Aegis Maelstrom)
Treasuer: Marek Stelmasik (Masti)
Secretary: Karol Głąb (Karol007)
Małgorzata Wilk (Maire)
Maciej Król (Maikking)
Wojciech Pędzich (Wpedzich)

In fact, the Board is not so new, as there was only change of 2
members: Daniel Malecki (Leinad) moved to Revision Committee and
Natalia Szafran-Kozanecka (Magalia) resigned. They were replaced by
Małgorzata Wilk (Maire) and Wojciech Pędzich (Wpedzich).

The new Revision Committee consist of:

Juliusz Zieliński (Julo),
Agnieszka Kwiecień (Nova),
Daniel Malecki (Leinad).

The detailed report of the Assembly is available here:

https://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Walne_Zebranie_Cz%C5%82onk%C3%B3w/10_maja_2014

There is also a voice recording from the Assembly:

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/wikiradio/~5/s1x3BDP79XE/Walne-ZebranieWMPL-2014-czesc-3.MP3







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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA in the media

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

[Tomasz Ganicz]

The discussion about it was already performed:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Massive_restoration_of_deleted_images_by_the_URAA

with final consensus that URAA cannot be used as the sole reason for
deletion. However this consensus (a rough one) was questioned by a
small, but very active group of Commons users. Actually this group of
users - which is not easy to define - as people change their mind over
time, was quite long time creating a sort of main spirit of the
regulations of Commons, and it was very first time for quite long,
that their , somehow extreme POV wasn't accepted.


2014-06-17 11:37 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org:
 Hi Yann,

 While we can have a different discussion about methods used and tone
 applied, if I understand correctly the core argument/discussion point here
 is the question whether US law applies to Commons or not; more
 specifically: whether a picture that is (likely?) not in the Public Domain
 in the US, but is in the public domain in its 'source country' should be
 considered 'free' or not.

 This is a returning discussion, and I'm always confused what exactly the
 answer is to that. The discussion is equally valid for any content project
 actually - all being hosted in the US. It would be good to have a more
 fundamental answer to it, and then follow it.

 Whether or not the nominating account is a 'delete only' account etc. is
 less relevant to this discussion. The core question remains the same. It is
 a bit technocrat, I know.

 I thought this question was already put for the WMF legal team as a
 question, but I wasn't able to find so quickly whether a useful reply
 resulted from that consultation.

 Lodewijk


 2014-06-17 1:34 GMT+02:00 Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com:

 Hi,

 Some Commons contributors like to ask impossible requirements, and
 threaten to delete files if these are not met. We have now a case of
 famous pictures from the government of Israel and Israel Defense
 Forces.

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Matanya#Files_and_pages_that_were_deleted_by_User:Fastily_that_I_am_aware_of_them

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Beba_Idelson_Ada_Maimon1952.jpg

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Abba_Hushi_1956.jpg

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Aharon_Meskin_-_Ben_Gurion_-_Israel_Prize1960.jpg

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Avraham_Shlonsky_1952.jpg

 These are famous and valuable pictures, including two featured
 pictures on the Hebrew Wikipedia. These files have already been
 deleted and restored 3 times. When the URAA issue was not convincing
 enough, a new reson for deletion was advanced: that publication
 details were not given. Anyone with 2 bits of common sense can
 understand that these famous pictures were published soon after they
 were taken. There is no reasonable doubt about that. In addition,
 publication is not a requirement for being in the public domain in
 Israel.

 After I restored these images, I was threatem by LGA, who is a
 delete-only account:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems#User:Yann
 There, more contributors argue on this issue.

 By asking absurb requirements about publication details, these
 contributors threaten the project as a whole. If insisting, it will
 lead people to upload pictures like these locally instead of Commons.
 Then the idea of a central repository for all Wikimedia projects is
 gone.

 Instead of looking for a reason to destroy these files, they should
 try to find a reason to keep them.

 Regards,

 Yann

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

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 taken. There is no reasonable doubt about that. In addition,
   publication is not a requirement for being in the public domain in
   Israel.
  
   After I restored these images, I was threatem by LGA, who is a
   delete-only account:
  
  
 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems#User:Yann
   There, more contributors argue on this issue.
  
   By asking absurb requirements about publication details, these
   contributors threaten the project as a whole. If insisting, it will
   lead people to upload pictures like these locally instead of Commons.
   Then the idea of a central repository for all Wikimedia projects is
   gone.
  
   Instead of looking for a reason to destroy these files, they should
   try to find a reason to keep them.
  
   Regards,
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

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2014-06-22 14:29 GMT+02:00 Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com:
 Craig, et al

 On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net
 wrote:
 Russavia,


  I'm a bit confused though about the
 parody/satire angle, my understanding is that a CC licence does not
 extinguish things such as moral rights that are not related to copyright.

 Sorry, I should make myself more clear -- sometimes it's easy to forget
 that people may not be thinking on the same level as oneself.

 If an image is out of copyright in Israel, but still has copyright
 protection in the US due to URA, lets say one was to parody/satirise that
 work in the US, and let's say they sell that work for profit.

 Whilst parody and satire are covered under the 1st amendment in the US, the
 Israeli government could invoke the copyright protection in the US of that
 work to stop its distribution. And it's an argument that would work.[1]


Please, tell me why do we care about such a very unprobable,
theoretical scenario, when we do not care about much more probable
scenario of re-using hundreds of thousands of pictures about which use
can be a life threat to many people in many countries? This is what a
I am calling a result of group dogma on Commons, which tells that we
must be totally unpractical strict with copyright issues and totally
ignore all other legal treats. I  mean for example that we do not care
about sexually explicit pictures which is crime to even watch in Saudi
Arabia and several other countries, and in US they cannot be legally
exposed to children? You can also be senteced to death if you use a
picture of Xi Jinping in offending way in China and even in Poland
when you use a picture of Bronisław Komorowski (our president) which
was released by his office under CC-BY-SA in offendig way, you can be
sentenced to 2 years in prision... And these are quite probable
scenarios, not like Israeli case which is in fact very theoretical one
with probability to happen less than 0.1 % IMHO...



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

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2014-07-12 13:44 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
 Until then...

 http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/


 That would be great if there will by filtering by category. So it
could be used to find nearby articles about monument without pictures
- great tool for Wiki Loves Monuments..



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

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In Polish Wikipedia there is no voting for deletion for around 3-4
years. There is discussion and then final decission is made by one of
admins who regularly maintains the deletion process.

2014-07-16 10:20 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
 Thanks. All questions were generic and about Wikipedia, so I answered
 with the Italian Wikipedia in mind. Also note that it.wiki is perhaps
 the only wiki which switched deletions from voting to non-voting: the
 experiment was already done, you only need to measure and interpret it.
 :-) See
 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-January/123334.html

 I had problems with two questions:
 * Are you concerned that somebody would change or remove your
 rationale? Please choose the most applicable response. This question
 assumes that removing a comment is bad; I would have answered Yes when
 appropriate per law or policy but there was no such option.
 * Do you read the rationales in the discussion before making the final
 decision? This assumes that this is just a matter of personal taste;
 sometimes policy and process requires it, sometimes not. (For instance
 in the classic it.wiki deletion process, but certainly also in some
 specific sub-process triggers on en.wiki and others.)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unacceptable -- CheckUser abuse gone uninvestigated

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Actually, Ombudsman Commission is not a secret police or Interpol.  We
have no any instrumentation of investigation, except access to
checkuser logs and  asking plaintiff and the checkuser for some
details and then compare all this information. This is all we can do
regarding investigation of cases of potential checkuser's abuses. We
cannot force anybody to reveal information if he/she don't want to
reveal. We can only ask.

This is also not our duty to answer the questions such as who
performed a check on whom and why. This is also not our duty to punish
checkusers who might abused their privileges, although this is our
duty to report it to WMF if we find that it indeed happened.

 As it is clearly defined:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission

our  duty is to investigate the cases of privacy policy violation and
report it to the WMF if we find that it really happened or even if it
might happened. So we did in this case, and the plaintiff was already
informed about it. This is the end of the story from our POV.

You may argue that there is a kind of hole in the system - I mean we
investigate and report to WMF - than WMF should decide what to do -
but there is no clear mechanism what MWF can do without hurting the
local communities which elect their checkusers. Maybe the Ombudsman
Commision should be somehow empowered to not only investigate and
report, but also be able to perform some actions - such as Stewards
can do - but it could change the Commission into some sort of
super-ArbCom which I am not sure if it is good idea... Anyway - if the
Commision had such power - it should rather be elected on meta (just
like Stewards) and not appointed by WMF as it is now...





2014-08-03 22:31 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org:
 Contrary to an individual request for information (who did ABC) I guess
 that such a process question would be perfect for the ombuds committee (was
 this process correctly followed) or by extension the board.

 Lodewijk


 2014-08-03 21:45 GMT+02:00 Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk:

 I have to say that there is an unnecessary lack of transparency which seems
 to get worse.  In or around May 2012 I emailed the audit committee on EN:WP
 to ask about checkuser run on my account and got a polite and informative
 reply.   In or around May 2014 an identically worded query got a polite
 refusal.

 Note, incidentally that those who run checkuser are often working from the
 UK, and are quite likely under a legal obligation make this information
 available.


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  On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
  ..
   I could be wrong, but it was my understanding that the logs are
  maintained
   indefinitely but the data is retained for only 3 months (i.e. the
 results
   of the check that is recorded in the log).
 
  The checkuser log are kept indefinitely, but it only records what
  usernames/IPs that were checked (i.e. the query), and the reason given
  by the checkuser for the check.
 
  It does not record the results of the query.
 
  That said, the sequence of checks run by a CU often creates a
  permanent record in the private CU log of an persons likely IP
  addresses.  e.g. the log may contain a check on an account, with a
  reason given, followed by checks on IPs, with the same reason logged.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monument for Wikipedia in Poland

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;-) Actually just one monument :-) By the way our woman wikipedians
complan that only men are holding the globe in this statue :-) So, we
have at least sent a woman - Magalia, to represent our community and
fill a little bit gender gap :-)




2014-10-09 19:52 GMT+02:00 Mathias Schindler mathias.schind...@gmail.com:
 In Poland, Monument loves Wikipedia

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 I saw something appear in the media:

 http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_26694189/poland-honor-wikipedia-monument


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedians of Bulgaria User Group

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Great :-)

2014-11-12 17:47 GMT+01:00 Tanvir Rahman wikitan...@gmail.com:
 Dear all,

 It is our pleasure to announce of the recognition [1] of the Wikimedians of
 Bulgaria User Group. Bulgarian User Group will be an important part of the
 Wikimedia Central and Eastern Europe.

 I would like to thank the fellow Bulgarian Wikimedians for their hard work
 over the years. They have several projects running and a significant number
 of talented contributors to those projects. We hope that they will continue
 their hard work actively so we will get more contributors as well as
 initiatives to make knowledge free and easily accessible in Bulgaria.

 Please join us to give them a warm welcome!

 Tanvir

 [1]
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/ResolutionsWikimedians_of_Bulgaria_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_November_2014

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to fix Commons

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2014-12-13 18:37 GMT+01:00 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:


 Pretty much. We use minute sub-sub-sub-categories because Boolean
 arithmetic on categories used to be unfeasible; now it's feasible, but
 we don't do it because that's not the convention. So it would require
 convincing the Commons community that moving to categories as tags is
 a good idea.



But the categories and tags are two different ways of creating of
organizing items. Tagging is flat, categories are hierarchical by
defintion. Using categories as a kind of tags makes all the mess... As
categories do make sense for encyclopedic articles  - for pictures and
other media it does not work well...  For example - if I want to make a
picture of Polish actress searchable - the most natural method is to add
tags: actors,  Polish an woman. But in Commons I have to add it to
category named Actresses from Poland. The upload wizzard is not very
helpful - as if I start inserting to the category field Polish (which
seems to be most natural thing) it won't show me categories Actors
from...  Moreover this category is not very helpful for readers and reuses
- as they have no option to get list of pictures of all Polish actors as
long as they don't know this from convention and speak English...

Probably somewhere on Commons there was long discussion of moving Polish
actors category to Actors from Poland (and for all other professions and
nationalities) and starting it again might be treated as a kind of
trolling,  but I really don't know where and when it happened and I really
don't care. I just want to know how to properly mark pictures to make them
searchable as uploader, and how to find them as reader/reuser. And at the
moment Commons from both this POVs is quite obviously dysfunctional. The
issue is to let uploaders easy mark pictures to make them to be able to be
easily found...  Really...



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons / OTRS is broken

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 admin)
 
  [1]
 
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:All_articles_with_unsourced_statements
 
  [2] Community queue accounts are OTRS accounts with access to queues that
  answer general information inquiries about our projects, permissions
 and/or
  photosubmissions tickets. Other types of accounts do not have answer
 these
  tickets, but instead have access to a smaller subset of queues, such as
  those related to the Foundation (e.g., donations), chapters, or advanced
  rights on the projects (e.g., oversight, stewards). See
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS/Access_policy#Community_queues for
  more information.
 
  On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:52 PM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   OTRS does not even bother replying to the consents I send them. Thus
 the
   images I have received releases for get deleted. Going forwards I am
  simply
   uploading to En Wikipedia. Not ideal but not sure what the solution is.
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

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We were discussing it with an association of blind people in Poland - and
they told us - that for them the most important thing is clear and logic
structure of the website - plain main text, menu/navigation in plain text
and descriptions of media in plain text. They are using their own free
text-to-speach software to which they are used to. Such software simply
reads everything on the screen in the same neutral way. So they don't need
any other tools for voice reading - if other websites provide it - they
usually do not use it. Maybe in some other languages the situation is
different - but it would be better to discuss it with relevant associations
before investing time and money for such solutions. Fortunately, Wikipedia
actually is quite  text-to-speach friendly at the moment.



2015-01-24 23:21 GMT+01:00 James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com:

 While human read articles are great they quickly become out of date and are
 available for only a fraction of our articles.

 Why don't we have a Listen button beside our read button that when
 clicked will read the article for the person in question?

 There are 37 open source text-to-speech listed here
 http://www.findbestopensource.com/tagged/text-to-speech. Some of them
 support up to 50 languages. This of course would require the support of the
 Wikimedia Foundation.

 I guess we could also do it with a gadget initially. Thoughts?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMCON15 - Registration Now Open

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

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, Stanford University Press) mojego
  autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
 
  Recenzje
  Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
  Pacific Standard:
 
 http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
  Motherboard:
 http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
  The Wikipedian:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Evaluation by WMF of Wiki Loves Monuments is failing to understand the community

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 Romaine,
  
   Are there other evals of WLM projects that capture the complexity you
   want?
  
   Perhaps single-community evaluations done by the WLM organizers there?
  
   Sam
  
   On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
Hi all,
  
   In the past months the Wikimedia Foundation has been writing an
   evaluation
   about Wiki Loves Monuments. [1]
  
   At such it is fine that WMF is writing an evaluation, however they
 fail
   in
   actual understanding Wiki Loves Monuments, and that is shown in the
   evaluation report.
  
   As a result on the Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list a discussion
 grows
   about the various problems the evaluation has.
  
   As the Learning and Evaluation team at the Wikimedia Foundation
 already
   had
   released the first Programs Reports for Wiki Loves Monuments, we are
  now
   put as fait accompli with this evaluation report.
  
   Therefore I am writing here so that the rest of the worldwide
 Wikimedia
   community is informed that this is not going right.
  
   Wiki Loves Monuments is not just a bunch of uploads done in
 September,
   the
   report is too simplified without actual understanding how the
 community
   is
   doing this project.
  
  
   Romaine
  
  
  
   [1]
  
  
  
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Evaluation_reports/2015/Wiki_Loves_Monuments
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mexican case law on Wikipedia reliability

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Szymon Grabarczuk (Tar Lócesilion) - made a study how many times Wikipedia
was cited in Polish courts, by browsing public database of courts'
decissions:

https://depot.ceon.pl/handle/123456789/2232

He counted (till 2012) 223 such cases :-)

Some uses of Wikipedia by the courts are quite controversial. I mean - it
may happed that someone edit or even write an article in order to use it as
an argument in the court. I personally would not liked to be judged based
on Wikipedia entires :-)




2015-06-17 10:49 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com:

 To the best of my knowledge, the US Supreme Court has yet to cite
 Wikipedia, but US Federal appeals courts have done so. Also, a state
 supreme court cited Wikipedia prominently in a decision about insurance
 coverage:

 http://abbottlawfirm.com/blog/2012/08/16/utah-supreme-court-cites-wikipedia-in-published-decision/

 Pine
 On Jun 16, 2015 5:35 PM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi folks!
 
  This month one mexican federal court generated an interesting case law
  related to use of Wikipedia as source of knowledge on trials, specially
 in
  law resolutions. The tribunal that solved this was the Tribunal Federal
 de
  Justicia Fiscal y Administrativa. This court is not the supreme court of
  Mexico but is the most important tribunal after that one in all the
 matter
  related to tax and administrative law and its precedents are binding for
  all mexican administrative authorities and al the judges on
 administrative
  and fiscal law.
 
  The case law is the number VII-J-SS-191 and you can read it in the next
  link:
 
  (only in Spanish)
 
  http://sctj.tfjfa.gob.mx/SCJI/assembly/detalleTesis?idTesis=41716
 
  The title is at the same time a brief of the content of the precedent,
 and
  it can be translated in this way:
 
  *Wikipedia.- The information that is obtained from this website can
 help
  to elucidate some controversial matter, thence the courtrooms of this
  tribunal may use it when ruling.*
 
  Inside the text the court makes a fair clarication: *It must not be the
  only source of knowledge in which the resolutions are based on [...] the
  judges must care about gathering diversity of sources of information such
  as specialized books, encyclopedia, including the electronic ones, [...]
  and others*.
 
  Maybe is just a curiosity, but for me is ilustrative of the good
 reputation
  that our work is getting even in some closed circles as the law practice.
  At least in Mexico is not common to see a court quoting Wikipedia, but
  maybe this first precedent might change the things.
 
  Do you know other similar case laws?
 
  Regards!
 
  [1]
 
 
 https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribunal_Federal_de_Justicia_Fiscal_y_Administrativa
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...

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Actully is probably much higher in terms of currently acrive editors. For
example - in Polish WIkipedia there are currently around 250 - 100+ editors
- and there was 171 votes (if I calculated it properly) - and in Ukrainian
Wikipedia  - if you calculate it in similar way the effective tournover is
close to 90% !!! (170 100+ editors and 163 votes).





2015-06-01 4:02 GMT+02:00 Denny Vrandečić vrande...@gmail.com:

 25% turnout is amazing!! Thank you, and congratulations to WM UA,
 particularly given the political situation at home.

 I also collected a few thoughts about the elections here:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Denny/Thoughts_Board_Election_2015

 Thanks to the Election Committee and everyone else out there getting the
 word out, fellow voters, and fellow candidates!



 On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:34 PM James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 3:20 PM, James Alexander 
 jalexan...@wikimedia.org
  
  wrote:
 
   Ukraine has done great this year! Your work clearly paid off, currently
   11.74% of the eligible users on ukWiki have voted (making it one of the
   highest % wikis, and the highest if you only count medium/large wikis
  some
   of the smaller ones get an advantage when % is factored in). It also
   accounts for 2.58% of the total votes compared to less then 1% (.99%)
 of
   the whole electorate.
  
  
  Mea Culpa: For the record I was double counting many of the eligible
 voters
  here (we had an old voter list that was also being counted). The correct
  numbers for ukWiki would be just over 25% of eligible voters voting and
  2.61% of the total votes (still .99% of the electorate).
 
  We will certainly be releasing more detailed results for projects with
  results and in the post mortem.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does openly declaring your gender change the probability of having an upload overwritten?

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2015-08-14 2:20 GMT+02:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com:

 15716


First of all it seems that vast majority of Commons users do not select
their gender so they are none. It obviously spoils the rest of the
statistics. Would be good to add to it numbers of males, females and
nones included, so it would be more clear which group has generally
stronger tendency for overwriting.  For example strong overwriter can
make a 1000 overwrites a year, and a weak one just 1. Such strong
overwrites can also spoil this statistics. For example - one strong
female overwrite can easily make all overwrites and the rest of females are
not overwriting at all :-) The same apply the other way - i.e. we can say
that women are more vulnerable to be overwriten if you divide numbers of
overwrites by number of females and compare it to the other groups.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] internet-in-a-boxs to the refugee camps?

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Well.. this is imaginable scale - I don't think if WMF have enough
resources to provide free internet to such a huge group of people packed in
a number of huge camps sometimes without basic facilities such as
electricity... See the picture of just one camp:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:An_Aerial_View_of_the_Za'atri_Refugee_Camp.jpg

Syrian people live in camps in Lebanon and Turkey for third year (since
2012)... There is even not enough basic schools and simple paper textbooks
for children...



2015-09-07 21:45 GMT+02:00 Leinonen Teemu <teemu.leino...@aalto.fi>:

> Hello people,
>
> Just an idea. Number of Syrian refugees is over 4,000,000 people, mostly
> residing in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq.[1] Refugee camps are set in
> all in these countries.[2]
>
> Internet-in-a-Box[3] is a a WiFI-device with "Wikipedia in 37 languages, a
> library of 40,000 e-books, most of the world's open source software and
> source code, hundreds of hours of instructional videos, and world-wide
> mapping down to street level.”
>
> Could we as a movement get the internet-in-a-box to the refugee camps?
>
> - Teemu
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_refugee_camps
> [3] http://internet-in-a-box.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Decentralised Wikipedia

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Many years ago, there was an idea to organize Wikipedia in usenet/nntp
style (i.e. multiple servers conected via a dedicated protocol, and one can
set up another one if he/she has enough resources and skills) - but I guess
it would very hard to organize, as it all need to be live-synchronized. In
usenet - texts are created by single person and only once, and then sent to
relevant group, and then it is distributed to all servers and users who
subscribe this group. In Wikipedia - any article can be edited by anyone at
any time, and readers are interested in the final result which the effect
of collaborative writing. Otherwise there will be various article versions
splited across various servers.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet



2015-09-23 10:41 GMT+02:00 Erik Aas <esra...@gmail.com>:

> Hello,
>
> this is my first post to this list. I think Wikipedia is a great project
> and am impressed by how well it works. It seems the (lack of) funding of
> the project is one of the more severe threats to its continued success.
> Since (I assume) the biggest cost is the maintenance of servers, I wonder
> if there are there any plans of making Wikipedia decentralised.
>
> Let me elaborate. I'm thinking of a system where many users each would
> store a small part of the encyclopedia. A user wanting to look up or edit
> an article connects to another user who has a copy of that article. When an
> article is updated the update is sent to all other users (that are online)
> responsible for storing that article.
>
> Are there any efforts to accomplish this? Would it be feasible?
>
> Best,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

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2016-01-01 22:11 GMT+01:00 Marcin Cieslak :

>
> Until now many of us were under impression (supported by the Florida
> statutes it seems)
> that they were "community elected".
>
> Saper
>

The Baylaws call them " Community-selected Trustees" - not elected (sec. 3c
of art. IV) .

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

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2016-02-10 6:06 GMT+01:00 Samuel Klein :

> FUDCons


Also it is hard to compare Wikimanias with FUDCons as it is
a) much  smaller (usually bo more than 200 attendees)
b) divided by regions - for example in 2015 there were 3 FUDCons
(Argentina, India, Spain) and 2 Flocks (NY and Kraków) -  so they are
rather like our Iberecop or CEE meetings than the global conferences.

And also Fedora developers have many potential sources of external funding
- mainly from IT companies which uses free software and want to apply for
their specific needs and for whom they quite often work.

But anyway, Fedora offers scholarships for attendees, see:

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] US Copyright Law Forces Wikimedia to remove Public Domain Anne Frank Diary

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Well.. I don't think if it is good point. I mean - I have rather feeling
that if only she could, she would probably decide to release her diary to
public domain. Or in other words - this text is so important to the entire
humankind that its publishing should not be blocked by copyright law just
in order to produce some extra income.

We had similar case in Poland - regarding works of Janusz Korczak, of which
copyright was extended due to some legal tricks which were very disputable.
I helped a bit in legal battle to put his works back to public domain and
am quite proud to do so...



2016-02-16 19:38 GMT+01:00 Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland <
rient...@wikimedia.nl>:

> I think you raise a very good point, Jonathan.  Anne Frank's diary is not
> just any book.
>
> Paradoxically, the very fact that this is a special book by a special
> author is also the reason why many people - especially in the Netherlands -
> are uncomfortable about the recent and unexpected introduction of the
> possibility that there is a co-author.
>
> Definitely, this is a very sensitive issue and Wikimedia Nederland is
> proceeding very, very cautiously.  No-one should play copyright games with
> Anne Frank's diary.
>
> (For those interested, ENWP has good information on the copyright issues:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diary_of_a_Young_Girl#Copyright_and_ownership_dispute
> )
>
>
> Sandra Rientjes
> Directeur Wikimedia Nederland
> 06 31786379
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> verzonden vanaf mobiel
> I may have an unpopular view here, but when an author has been murdered,
> especially one so young, I find it distasteful to try to make that a test
> case re copyright. If Anne Frank hadn't been murdered she might well still
> be alive today, and presumably her work would still be in copyright.
>
> By all means we should be encouraging people to freely license things
> openly, and arguing for open licensing against those who claim copyright on
> faithful copies of out of copyright work, and for freedom of panorama in
> countries less open about such things than Armenia or the UK.
>
> I'm sort of OK about as Michael Maggs put it  using it to "increase
> awareness of the excessive length (95 years) of some US copyright terms."
> Though I'd hope there are other examples where we don't look like taking
> advantage of the murder of a child. I'm also OK with using this as an
> example of us taking copyright seriously.
>
> But though it is an important work, is it really one we should be trying to
> force into the open against the wishes of a charity set up by her
> relatives?
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan/WereSpielChequers
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Nikola - but does it bring any added value to Wikipedia? Does number of
active editors in Bulgarian Wikipedia increased because of it? Can you see
it in Wikipedia statics? IMHO it is the only thing which might legitimate
such an action.






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2016-02-19 1:41 GMT+01:00 Nikola Kalchev :

> Hello Rodrigo,
>
> on Bulgarian Wikipedia we put a text asking readers to like our Facebook
> page, our Twitter and Google+ accounts, as well to visit our blog [1]. The
> Facebook likes went up from 1923 to 5381 in a month, 126 people followed us
> on Twitter (virtually nobody did it before that), 123 people followed us on
> Google+ and the reader numbers on our blog went significantly up (I don't
> have the data right now). Nobody in the community objected to this and we
> would probably do it again some day. We decided to remove it after a month,
> because we saw that the number of new likes declined over time.
>
> Best regards,
> Nikola (User:Лорд Бъмбъри
> )
> Wikimedians of Bulgaria
>
> [1]
>
> https://bg.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8:Sitenotice=7097975
> (it says "Like the page of Wikipedia in Bulgarian on Facebook
> . You can also follow us on Twitter
>  and Google+
>  as well as visit our
> blog ").
>
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> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula <
> rodrigopad...@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
>
> > Hello fellows!
> >
> > Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are
> > discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our Facebook
> > Page on site Notice [1]
> >
> > That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a
> lot
> > of local support.
> >
> > The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access
> Wikipedia
> > through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users
> from
> > pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on
> pt.wikipedia.
> >
> > I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this
> > kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in other
> > wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C3%A1gina_da_Wikip%C3%A9dia_em_portugu%C3%AAs_do_Facebook_no_sitenotice_%2825nov2015%29
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Rodrigo Padula
> > Coordenador de Projetos
> > Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa
> > http://www.wikimedia.org.br
> > +55 21 99326-0558
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] election for 2 seats on WMF board of trustees ends May 7...

[Tomasz Ganicz]

I think it is rather a subject that there are chapters which are "zombies"
- I mean having no or very little activity. On the other hand we have a
number of quite active usergroups which cannot vote.  By the way, the
overal number of non-voting chapters can be a good measure of the number of
"zombie" chapters...



2016-05-03 21:14 GMT+02:00 Andrew Gray :

> On 3 May 2016 at 17:34, Gnangarra  wrote:
> > We should be careful in not shaming communities to vote poorly to save
> > face, or even vote for people they dont want as some may truly feel that
> > the candidates who have nominated wont be a good representative of the
> > community.
>
> I agree with the first part, but on the second, it's worth noting that
> "none" is an acceptable vote in this election. For myself I think
> you'd be hard pressed to find *no* candidates you can support from
> this round - they seem a pretty good selection - but others no doubt
> differ :-).
>
> A.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Maybe the best model would be such:
#1 A person willing to switch on moderation on someone contact an admin -
good reasons for moderation is required
#2 If admin decides not to moderate - inform proponent about it. End of
story.
#3 If admin decides to moderate - inform about this both proponent and the
person to be moderated and ask moderated person if he/she wants to announce
this on the list.
#4 If she/he wants to have it announced on this list - admin do it with
explanation of the reasons.

+

#5 - asking for moderation of someone on this list - ends up with
moderation of the proponent :-)



2016-07-26 10:26 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov :

> A meta-question: I am wondering whether, if one thinks a user on this list
> should be moderated, it is better to discuss it privately with the list
> admins (who, if convinced, could announce the moderation publicly, or not),
> or publicly on this list (explicitly inviting more opinions, being
> transparent about my position regarding moderating the user, but also
> embarrassing the user whatever the outcome).
>
> Thoughts?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing and the privacy policy

[Tomasz Ganicz]

James,

The proper body to ask this question is Ombudsmen Commission.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission

Cheers,



2016-07-01 8:47 GMT+02:00 James Heilman :

> Hey All
>
> On the English Wikipedia we are having a RfC regarding what is allowed when
> trying to address undisclosed paid promotional editing.
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Can_other_site_accounts_ever_be_linked_to
>
> Specifically we are discussing if this statement is allowed "Here we have
> someone who is buying an article on Anthony LaPine. They have already
> bought an article on HipLink and this sock created it UserJuliecameo3 who
> is already blocked."
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard=679657047#Checking_Elance
>
> Or are no external links to other accounts allowed to be linked to
> Wikipedia?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Thank you for clarification.

2017-01-31 17:26 GMT+01:00 Maggie Dennis <mden...@wikimedia.org>:

> Thanks for the question, Tomasz, and for the answer, Dan. :)
>
> That's right - it's built into the form. I'm told it can't be removed.
> Candidates based outside the U.S. are very welcome to apply! I'd guess that
> the question may be relevant for some folks in the U.S., for instance
> international students who do not have a work visa.
>
> Best,
>
> Maggie
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Dan Garry <dga...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > On 31 January 2017 at 07:08, Tomasz Ganicz <polime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just simple technical question. In the application form there is one
> > tricky
> > > question:
> > >
> > > "Are you legally authorized to work in the United States"
> > >
> > > I guess vast majority of potential candidates are not legally
> authorized
> > to
> > > work in US as they are citizens of countries which need a special
> > > work-permit to be legally employed in US.  Does it mean they cannot
> apply
> > > for this position or that WMF is able to organize  a work-permit for
> such
> > > persons?
> > >
> >
> > The work authorisation question is a standard one included in job
> postings,
> > irrespective of work location. I would assume there are no issues with
> > candidates based outside the United States applying, especially since all
> > the new positions are advertised as "San Francisco, CA or Remote".
> >
> > Dan
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Just simple technical question. In the application form there is one tricky
question:

"Are you legally authorized to work in the United States"

I guess vast majority of potential candidates are not legally authorized to
work in US as they are citizens of countries which need a special
work-permit to be legally employed in US.  Does it mean they cannot apply
for this position or that WMF is able to organize  a work-permit for such
persons?


2017-01-30 20:01 GMT+01:00 Maggie Dennis :

> Hello, all. :)
>
> As you know, we are launching a movement strategy process and want people
> from the community integrally involved at every stage. We are accordingly
> seeking active Wikimedians interested in applying for a number of Community
> Strategy Coordinator positions. The people hired for these positions will
> be part-time, remote contractors of up to 20 hours a week with a contract
> of 3 months. Start date should be in early March.
>
> You can see the job descriptions and apply for the positions at <
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us>, but here’s a quick
> summary of who we’re looking for and what they’ll be doing:
>
> *Language Specialist Strategy Coordinators*
>
> These will be bilingual speakers of a specific list of non-English
> languages[1] and English who are experienced in their language project
> community or communities. They will be expected to be able to both conduct
> deep outreach to these non-English communities and to liaise between these
> communities and others, in order to maximize the ability of their
> communities to participate in the movement strategy process. They will also
> need to be capable of monitoring and summarizing discussions about strategy
> topics and will be expected to produce a summary report at the end of their
> contract.
>
> *Metawiki Strategy Coordinators*
>
> These facilitators need not be multilingual (although it is a plus), but
> must be fluent in English and must be experienced contributors to one or
> more Wikimedia communities. They will be working alongside the language
> specialist coordinators, the global community, the Wikimedia Foundation and
> the strategy team to facilitate the most inclusive strategy process
> possible. This will include outreach to global communities, offering their
> own community experience and advice to those involved in the process, and
> leading, monitoring, and summarizing strategy-related discussions. They
> will be expected to produce a summary report at the end of their contract.
>
> If you think either of these sounds like you or another community member
> you know, I encourage you to visit the job application page and review the
> job descriptions for more details (again, that's at <
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us#Wikimedia_Careers>).
> Please tell us about your experiences as a Wikimedian and why you think you
> would be a good fit for this role. Our goal is to run the most inclusive
> strategy process we can, and that means we need experienced community
> members like you to help!
>
> Best,
>
> Maggie
>
>
> [1]
>
>- Arabic
>- Bengali
>- Chinese
>- Dutch
>- French
>- German
>- Hebrew
>- Hindi
>- Italian
>- Japanese
>- Malayam
>- Polish
>- Portuguese
>- Russian
>- Spanish
>- Swedish
>- Vietnamese
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

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2017-04-08 12:44 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter :

> Thanks Jane. No, 15 April 15 is the Easter, I will be hopefully travelling.
> May be we will have another opportunity.
>
> However, I still believe that Track 2 has been so far essentially a
> failure.
>
>
Why? On at least several languages and projects on-wiki discussions are
quite active. On Polish Wikipedia 31 people participated till now, and 3 of
them were also participating in the discussions in Berlin. We would never
heard those 29 if the track B wouldn't been set up. It is true that it is
hard to persuade people from small projects to join discussion, mainly
because they are usually focused on their own little corners of wikimedia
world, and simply have no any opinion about the future of the movement as a
whole, but that is OK, at least they got opportunity to participate in the
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looks familiar?

[Tomasz Ganicz]

I guess trademark for Wikipedia logo does not extend to all jigsaw globe
models. There are hundreds of producers of such toys:

https://www.google.pl/search?q=jigsaw+globe=isch

2017-07-18 15:27 GMT+02:00 Trey Jones :

> Searching google images for *jigsaw globe* or *jigsaw sphere *gives many
> similar images. I don't think Wikipedia owns the rights to the idea of a
> sphere made of jigsaw pieces.
>
> The particular image on the cover of that book is derived from a stock
> photo:
>
> https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/jigsaw-globe-
> puzzle-on-white-47983681
>
> So, familiar? Yes. Concern? I don't think so.
>
> —Trey
>
> Trey Jones
> Software Engineer, Discovery
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:37 AM, Gordon Joly 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0119PZ7F2/
> >
> > This image looks very much like the Wikimedia graphic?
> >
> > Gordo
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will you be at the WMF mothership Wednesday evening?

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Well... If you buy me a ticket from Warsaw to SF I can consider to visit
you :-)

Seriously speaking - I suggest to establish local E-mail list for SF
located folks for such announcements :-) Wikimedia-l is global list.



2017-04-26 8:27 GMT+02:00 J. :

> Please join us in downtown San Francisco in you are at the Wikimedia
> Foundation mothership!
>
> The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather for the
> '''Bay Area WikiSalon''' series to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new
> projects and ideas.
>
> We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers
> and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is
> available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including
> beer and wine) plus light snacks.
>
> We will have some announcements and lightning talks from the floor, and a
> breakout session. This is our one year anniversary, so there will be cake!
>
> Please RSVP here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon_April_2017
>
> ... and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. This also
> helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in. If you do not have
> time to RSVP, go ahead and crash the gates and Stephen will get you in!
>
> See you soon! {{u|Checkingfax}} (Wayne) and {{u|Ben Creasy}}
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] General Counsel: Welcome Eileen Hershenov

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2017-04-26 15:33 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher :

> Michelle


Michelle was one of my personally favourite employees of WMF with which I
had occasion to meet face to face - so I wish her great continuation of her
carrier somewhere else and be missing her.

Hopefully, our new General Counsel will be even better.








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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fake news

[Tomasz Ganicz]

If you are interested - an epic story from Poland:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Forks_CEE_Meeting_2017.pdf



2018-04-27 16:26 GMT+02:00 Devouard (gmail) :

> Hi
>
> I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news
> and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I
> already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases
> or discussions will be welcome.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Florence
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's map capacities! (Announcing the CCM)

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Interesting idea - but is it possible to make the table a bit more
user-friendly?

First of all is too long in horizontal axis - even in large resolution I
see only 1/2 of it on my screen, and due to its structure - it is not
possible to edit it in visual editor...



2018-01-15 22:59 GMT+01:00 Asaf Bartov :

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> *How many Wikimedia communities have embraced advanced Wikidata use? How
> many have active social media accounts, and are there geographic or
> cultural patterns to which groups have and have not? Which groups have a
> written, current strategy? What are the most common gaps in capacity in
> Latin America? or in Eastern Europe? What kind of investment in capacity
> building would be likely to bring the most value?*
>
> To answer these questions and more, we invite all of you to participate in
> the new *Community Capacity Map (CCM)*: a *self-assessment exercise* for
> communities, groups (whether formally recognized user groups or not),
> thematic organizations, and chapters, to *map capacities* across the
> movement, with a view to identifying *existing gaps* as well as
> *opportunities
> for capacity-building*.
>
> The CCM is here on Meta:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Capacity_Map
>
> The context for this work, as well as "likely-asked questions, with
> answers" ("LAQ"?), are explained here, including an answer to "*why should
> I take the time to read all this?*" --
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Capacity_Map/About
> (and also pasted at the bottom of this e-mail, for your convenience.)
>
> The self-assessment is to be done based on the detailed *Guidelines*
> provided
> here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Capacity_Map/Guidelines
>
> I am looking forward to learning more about your groups' and orgs'
> capacities and gaps, and to do my best to play matchmaker between those
> needs and our available resources and opportunities.  While I encourage you
> to begin contributing straightaway, *there is no deadline *-- this is
> envisioned to be a long-term, ongoing, and tracked-over-time tool -- so
> contribute if and when your group is able to make the time.
>
> (don't forget to scroll down to the LAQ!)
>
> Warmly,
>
> Asaf Bartov
> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
>
> ==
> Likely-asked questions, with answers
> this exists with working links and [modest] formatting here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Capacity_Map/
> About#Likely-asked_questions,_with_answers
>
> Why do this at all?  The Community Resources team is doing this to attempt
> a more *comprehensive* view of capacities and gaps across the movement, to
> enhance our existing, anecdotal and ad-hoc, impressions of only some of the
> communities and affiliates. See the goal statement above. Why now?  The CCM
> experiment is an implementation of one of the recommendations made at the
> conclusion of the Community Capacity Development pilot year
>  Development/Overall_pilot_year_evaluation#Conclusions_
> and_recommended_next_steps>
> . Why should I spend the time to read through it or go through the
> self-assessment?  There are a couple of reasons you may want to put in the
> time: First, by self-assessing your group/organization's capacities and
> gaps, you are giving WMF and other potential investors in community
> capacity a chance to provide your group/org with resources and
> opportunities to *build up* those capacities. Secondly, self-assessing
> according to the Guidelines page
>  may be
> in itself a worthwhile exercise and discussion-starter for your group/org,
> pointing at potential areas for proactive work by *your org/group itself*,
> for example in your next annual plan. Finally, self-assessing (at least
> some) capacities today would enable you to review and re-assess in six
> months, or two years, and see how your group/org has developed (or not) in
> each of these aspects. So does WMF expect all groups and organizations to
> do this?  No. This is an opportunity and a tool. Like all other tools, you
> are free to use it or not, and we certainly understand that it would take
> time and that you may have more pressing priorities in your group/org. We
> *hope* as many groups, organizations, and communities eventually take the
> time to self-assess, at least on some capacities, but it is not mandatory,
> and there would be no penalty for not participating. Would we have to
> provide self-assessments for *all* of the capacities?  No. Feel free to
> self-assess on as many or as few capacities as you are able to, interested
> in, or find relevant. You can also add assessments gradually, as your
> group/org finds time to discuss and agree on assessments. Should I assess
> capacities in the context of my wiki community, my user-group/chapter, or
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

[Tomasz Ganicz]

I don't clearly understand Gerard what is your idea. Do you want to measure
NPOV by calculating how often the sources are used after somehow marking
them to belong to one or another group of political, religous or other type
of  POV? And when you find that one group of them are more often cited than
the others, this is a symptom of systematic bias of given Wikimedia
project? Well that might be quite misleading because the issue is the
honesty and context of using sources.

For example: One can write an article about any controversial topic using
equal number of  sources supporting opposite POVs, but the text can still
be quite biased:

"According to unfaithful bastard X [source X] the true is A. But, according
to honourable and widely recognized expert Y [source Y] A it is not true,
but the true is B."

I don't believe in any kind of automated method of measuring NPOV. NPOV is
very complex issue needed human judgment. You can't avoid it.


śr., 28 lis 2018 o 12:43 Gerard Meijssen 
napisał(a):

> Hoi,
> I take offence calling it a faith-based process. We have a database with
> the citations of all Wikipedias. We have overriding principles that include
> the NPOV and what the role of functionaries is in Wikimedia projects. When
> they are a faith, they are our faith.
>
> My question to you is, why are you reluctant to start a process that will
> bring down many hobby horses including yours and the ones in your favourite
> project. Why not start where we face an urgency? An urgency that undermines
> Wikipedia as NPOV!
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 00:31, Dennis During  wrote:
>
> > Why not test-run the process on my favorite project - or yours?  We
> should
> > get started.
> >
> > I am skeptical of the quality of judgment without a foundation of facts.
> > At Wiktionary we have two main definition evaluation processes, one
> > dependent on citations to which interpretative judgment is applies. IMO
> > this process works very well.  The other depends on opinion, votes,
> > supported by whatever facts or authority or bluster (my specialty)
> > advocates bring to bear.  That process, though adequate, is not as
> > satisfactory.
> >
> > Gerard Meijssen has suggested a faith-based process. If it is almost
> ready
> > to go, let it be validated and put to use.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 16:45 Benjamin Lees  >
> > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:06 AM Dennis During 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, et
> al
> > > as
> > > > the new press barons?
> > >
> > > All of our work on the projects necessarily involves making judgments.
> > > As a movement we have largely decided that editors on individual
> > > projects should be the ones to make those judgments.  But in some
> > > extreme cases, our judgment may be that we need different judges.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 1:03 PM Dennis During 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It is important that any wiki process be applied fairly.  In this
> case
> > I
> > > > think the Croatian wiki cannot be the first to have a new process
> > > applied.
> > >
> > > I don't know whether this is the process we want.  But if it is,
> > > somebody's gotta go first.
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Vast majority of sources in controversial topics are usually biased. There
are topics where there is in fact no any non-biased sources. And - coming
back to my previous example, having knowledge how automatic method o bias
measurement works it is very easy to bully it:

"According to unfaithful bastard X [source X1][source X2][source X3] the
true is A. But, according to honorable and widely recognized expert Y
[source Y] A it is not true, but the true is B."

This sentence is quite obviously biased towards B POV, but  automatic
measurement of sources will tell you that there is bias towards A POV.  And
this is very simple, primitive example of bias. People usually tend to do
it in much more subtle way. Sometimes one short, completely unsourced
sentence at the end of very long article with hundreds of citations can
completely ruin NPOV...

Or imagine that you write article about a bishop - quite naturally most
sources will be religious POV - which does not necessarily mean that the
article is biased as it might contain only basic facts of that person
retrieved from official church sources. Then - following this example  - in
Polish Wikipedia - we have probably articles about all living bishops from
major christian denomination. But if you would want to "prove" that Polish
Wikipedia has pro-roman-catholic POV you can easily show that we have 162
articles about roman-catholic Polish bishops and only 12 about orthodox
bishops. And the numbers of citations is more or less probably of the same
proportion. Why? Simply because we have in Poland 162 catholic bishops and
12 orthodox. Wikipedia cannot change it obviously ;-)





czw., 6 gru 2018 o 02:19 Dennis During  napisał(a):

> Yes the method can miss bias. But if the references* used are* biased, it
> would provide clear, objective (though not irrefutable) evidence of a
> general bias.  The more factual the discussion, the more likely it will be
> that any conclusions of the process will be accepted, if not by all at
> Croatia WP, then perhaps by some there and by most other observers.
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:45 PM Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:
>
> > I don't clearly understand Gerard what is your idea. Do you want to
> measure
> > NPOV by calculating how often the sources are used after somehow marking
> > them to belong to one or another group of political, religous or other
> type
> > of  POV? And when you find that one group of them are more often cited
> than
> > the others, this is a symptom of systematic bias of given Wikimedia
> > project? Well that might be quite misleading because the issue is the
> > honesty and context of using sources.
> >
> > For example: One can write an article about any controversial topic using
> > equal number of  sources supporting opposite POVs, but the text can still
> > be quite biased:
> >
> > "According to unfaithful bastard X [source X] the true is A. But,
> according
> > to honourable and widely recognized expert Y [source Y] A it is not true,
> > but the true is B."
> >
> > I don't believe in any kind of automated method of measuring NPOV. NPOV
> is
> > very complex issue needed human judgment. You can't avoid it.
> >
> >
> > śr., 28 lis 2018 o 12:43 Gerard Meijssen 
> > napisał(a):
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > I take offence calling it a faith-based process. We have a database
> with
> > > the citations of all Wikipedias. We have overriding principles that
> > include
> > > the NPOV and what the role of functionaries is in Wikimedia projects.
> > When
> > > they are a faith, they are our faith.
> > >
> > > My question to you is, why are you reluctant to start a process that
> will
> > > bring down many hobby horses including yours and the ones in your
> > favourite
> > > project. Why not start where we face an urgency? An urgency that
> > undermines
> > > Wikipedia as NPOV!
> > > Thanks,
> > >   GerardM
> > >
> > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 00:31, Dennis During 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why not test-run the process on my favorite project - or yours?  We
> > > should
> > > > get started.
> > > >
> > > > I am skeptical of the quality of judgment without a foundation of
> > facts.
> > > > At Wiktionary we have two main definition evaluation processes, one
> > > > dependent on citations to which interpretative judgment is applies.
> IMO
> > > > this process works very well.  The other depends on opinion, votes,
> > > > supported by whatever facts or authority or bluster (my specialty)
> > > > advocates bring to bear.  That pr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Copyright Law

[Tomasz Ganicz]

At the moment this is just second step of legislation process, not the
final vote on directive. Namely,  the voting today was for EU Parliament
negotiation possition during  trilogue discussions in order to adopt a
definitive text which will then be voted again at Parliament.So, we should
now push our local EU countries goverments as well EU Commission itself to
to make substantial changes' proposals for this law, before final voting.



śr., 12 wrz 2018 o 18:47 Yaroslav Blanter  napisał(a):

> If I understand correctly, the European parliament just approved the
> copyright law essentially without changes, thus supporting the version we
> protested against in May. What would be the consequences for us?
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all undeleted.

The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing several GLAM-related
mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page describing what it is
intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you can create a
project template to mark all uploads with them.

See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships

Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes with Common's
admins - creating template and project page helps to promote you project
across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do something similar.

Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for uploaders, but on the other
hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds  of copyright violating files a
day:

See the list from just one day:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01

so this hostility works both ways - Common's admins have to cope with
aggressive hostile copyright violators every day, and after some time -
decide to leave or became being hostile themselves... and the other issue
is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents.

I think - sooner or later - all this system - uploads - screening uploads
by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking.


niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibong...@gmail.com> napisał(a):

> Hello all,
>
> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the Commons components
> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia Commons: a highly
> hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at the Education
> Newsletter
>
>
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Commons:_a_highly_hostile_place_for_multimedia_students_contributions
>
> As far as I can understand it, some students on an Outreach project
> uploaded some rather well-made video material, and comeone on Commons
> deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be student projects and
> so concluded they were copyright violations.  But some rather odd remarks
> were made "Commons has to fight the endless stream of uploaded copyrighted
> content on behalf of a headquarters in San Francisco that doesn't care."
> and
>  "you have regarded Commons as little more than free cloud storage for
> images you intend to use on Wikipedia ".
>
> Perhaps the Foundation needs to resolve this dispute?
>
> Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

[Tomasz Ganicz]

niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 16:23 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
napisał(a):

> As I am the author of the post, some remarks:
>
>   *   Commons is, indeed, the only [cloud] storage for file in most of the
> Wikipedias. Making an accusation of using Commons as a storage place is
> unfair and nonsense.
>

I think - what someone wanted to say - is that Commons is wiki with its own
community, which desire some respect as any other wikimedia communities. In
that sense - it is not cloud service which are usually maintained
automatically. It is better to think about Commons - as a wiki - not as a
cloud storage service.


  *   Communication could be better, of course, but we don't have to think
> on experienced editors and wikimedians, but on people we are trying to
> convince to upload to the Commons and find this burden. They don't know how
> to communicate and why they must do it.
>

That's true - therefore - when you organize any outreach or GLAM project it
is good to teach the users how to communicate on wiki - as it is a quite
strange system comparing to what typical internet user might be accustomed
to, nowadays.

  *   The upload system allow you to upload something if you are the
> author. Period.
>

Yes. Exactly. If you think about default upload wizard - it is possible to
upload other's works, but it is not that easy. Also - it is pretty hard to
upload public domain works.

  *   Of course, commons volunteers are few, and they have a great
> job-queue. But outreach volunteers are less, and a project like this can
> take a whole year of volunteer work.
>

Well - this is disputable. I don't know global proportions - but for
example for Polish part of community - there are actually 3 employees doing
outreach and around 10 volunteers - and there are 3 really active Polish
Common's admins and only one regularly active OTRS agent (me)... Out of
these 3 really active Common's admins - 2 are actually also doing outreach.
And in fact - probably the best thing would be to have in any outreach team
at least one person having good knowledge about hostile Common's habits and
how to effectively cope with them :-)


  *   After all the victim-blaming seen on this discussion no one was able
> to point to a page where the procedure was clear for everyone.
>

Yeah. Because there is no any single page on Commons that might solve your
problems.  This is the other issue - Common's help pages are well.. far
from being perfect.

Let's hope we can follow with this project next year and we will have less
> problems.
>
>
>
I hope too. This is for sure really interesting project worth any support.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who oversees the AffCom?

[Tomasz Ganicz]

As far as I know there is no single E-mail address you can contact Board,
but you can try to catch directly any members of the Board who are still
brave enough to provide their personal E-mail... This is not that
straightforward as you may expect, but first go here:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/board/

than click on any face you may find especially friendly, and then in some
cases (not in all) by clicking links in their description, with some good
luck  you may land on the page, where there is some contact information :-)

Or - much simpler: forget rather useless official WMF website, which is
tailored rather to impress than to provide any information,  and go to meta:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees

where you can find link to meta-userpages of them and then you can contact
them as usually on wiki.

Good luck,


pon., 6 maj 2019 o 17:09 Paulo Santos Perneta 
napisał(a):

> Hello Tomasz,
>
> Thank you for your answer. In the hypothesis of being the Board, how can
> one contact it? I do not see any address I could use listed here:
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/contact/
>
> I hope at least some of them are reading this mailing list. They can get
> back to me, in public or private, and I'll send the case for investigation.
>
> Regards,
> Paulo
>
> Tomasz Ganicz  escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019
> à(s)
> 15:57:
>
> > It seems that the only body can help with this is WMF Board od Trustees,
> as
> > Affcom is the advisory committee of the Board, and the Board is the top
> > body legally responsible for the work of entire WMF.
> >
> > pon., 6 maj 2019 o 15:39 Paulo Santos Perneta 
> > napisał(a):
> >
> > > Hi Cornelius,
> > >
> > > Apart from the general discussion about the specific role of AffCom, I
> > > really would like to know who is the entity overseeing the AFfCom, so
> > that
> > > I can send an official complaint there about what I believe is a
> > fraudulent
> > > and out of process sanction. This is not a question for the Roles &
> > > Responsibilities WG, as The Land has already noted there.
> > >
> > > Since AffCom is an advisory body to the BoT, it doesn't look as if the
> > BoT
> > > can or should interfere directly on AffCom. But then, who? At the
> current
> > > light, AffCom is looking as a very much unchecked and extremely
> powerful
> > > entity, taking decisions out of process, in absolute secrecy, and
> issuing
> > > decrees without following even the most basic principles of due
> process.
> > > And this is not a theoretical question, it is a practical one. It
> affects
> > > directly not only affiliates, but also members of the community not
> > > connected to any affiliate, as I had not any connection to any of the
> > > affiliates involved in that case.
> > >
> > > And this is not an isolated case. As I told, the accusations made last
> > year
> > > by AffCom against WMPT never were substantiated, and when a lawyer
> > finally
> > > looked into them, he come out with exactly the same recommendation and
> > > request the chapter made itself to the AffCom, before the whole
> situation
> > > even started. So what was behind those accusations, back then?
> > >
> > > It is very easy and comfortable for the WMF/AffCom to blind everything
> > with
> > > the excuse that the evidence is secret, but that is completely out of
> > > process, and against the most elementary principles of Human Rights.
> > >
> > > I want to know who planted this false information at the WMF, and why
> it
> > > was not checked by the WMF, to the point that a secret sanction aganitt
> > me
> > > come to be in place (since when? till when? no idea).
> > >
> > > To who should I complaint about this?
> > >
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > > Cornelius Kibelka  escreveu no dia
> > > segunda,
> > > 6/05/2019 à(s) 14:14:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I think these are good and relevant questions, but I'd suggest you
> keep
> > > the
> > > > discussion where it's best placed – on the talk page of the Roles &
> > > > Responsibility scoping document talk page:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/2019_Community_Conversations/Roles_%26_Responsibilities#Role_of_the_AffCom
> > > >
> > > > Paulo has already started a discussion over there. Kiril

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Tomasz Ganicz]

pon., 6 lip 2020 o 19:52 Jonatan Svensson Glad 
napisał(a):

> Some quick non-answer (better knows as !answers):
>
> 1. what are OTRS' rules and policies?
> I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> agents sign.  Any and all
> information on the OTRS wiki is private. OTRS wiki is used as a private
> workspace restricted to Wikimedia Foundation staff, chapter
> representatives, and Volunteer Response Team members, and is is strictly
> confidential.
>
>
Well, please do not create conspiracy theories... Actually, as far as I
understand my role as an OTRS volunteer - there are no any special rules
for OTRS except some technical, civility aspects and confidentiality of
mailing with individuals - as OTRS volunteers generally should simply
follow local wiki policies when answering questions, and in case of
permission cases - general copyright policies of Commons and local wikis.
WIth copyright policies on Commons - there is a problem of its complexity -
and there are cases when there is no easy answer. Anyway - copyright
related decisions of OTRS volunteers on Commons are screened from time to
time by Commons admins having access to OTRS.

Regarding privacy issues - OTRS volunteers can be reported to the Ombudsman
Commission and during my serving in this Commision there were cases related
to OTRS.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Tomasz Ganicz]

czw., 9 lip 2020 o 18:53 Andy Mabbett 
napisał(a):

> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 07:46, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:
>
> > > I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> > > agents sign.
>
> > Well, please do not create conspiracy theories...
>
> It's not a conspiracy theory if there is evidence of a conspiracy.
>

What evidence? Again - OTRS wiki contains mainly technical stuff - such as
some basic advices how to answer properly to e-mails,  how to avoid typical
mistakes, boilerplates for typical, redundant questions + some discussions
about technical boundaries of what could be accept and what not regarding
copyright agreements (for example how to be sure that agreement comes from
person who can really sing it) and when and how to add OTRS  copyright
templates. This is made not public - first of all as discussions about
disputable cases contain quite often personal details, and there are some
"tricks" how to recognize fraudulent agreements, which if made public,
could have made life easier for potential  impositors.

General copyright rules, procedures and copyright agreement templates are
made public in most wikis, and that are real rules that are followed by
OTRS agents responsible for  permission queues. See for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission

or

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomoc:Pozwolenia_na_wykorzystanie

and most complicated - on Commons:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Tomasz Ganicz]

I guess - Andy's main concern is about permission queues on Commons, as the
trigger for his question was a case on Commons.

In fact - OTRS agents answering questions for general info queues have no
special power - I mean they do not make any "secretive" decisions - they
just inform about rules, customs, help newbies with technical issues and
sometimes try to help or solve the problem to satisfy both - a plaintiff
and the local wiki rules. Basically this was the idea of OTRS when it was
created - so the feeling was that strict rules for just answering the
questions and helping newbies are not very much needed. Add to this that
there is a constant shortage of the active OTRS agents - as this work tends
to be boring, repetitive and not rewarding at all - so you may understand
why entry barrier for agents is kept as low as possible. If you want to be
an OTRS agent - just put your name on OTRS page on meta - ask some of your
friends on your local wiki to endorse you and one of the OTRS admins simply
checks if your edit history is OK (not too short and with no signs that you
have a tendency to be in constant conflict with your fellow Wikipedians)
and that's it... It really does not need any extra  regulations, as it
works as it is now.

However, for permission queues is the other issue - because acceptance or
refusal of copyright agreement/claim is usually final, so it is quite a
power, so I understand Andy's concern that there are no strict rules which
are public. How it is practically screened has been already answered
several times, but it is true that the process is not written down clearly
- it was just developed naturally over time and consist of
a) general copyright rules on Commons - which are already very complex and
unclear - sometimes even contradictory with eachself and also they change
over time, mainly in to direction to be more and more strict which is
sometimes called "copyright paranoia"
b) local copyright laws - which are also very complex and unclear in many
jurisdictions and moreover one needs to know local language and local legal
system to properly understand it and apply
c) some practical customs, habits and technical rules related strictly to
handling agreements via OTRS - the later is partially made public - I have
already sent the links to the relevant pages but it was ignored - and
partially made non-public.

So, maybe - I say maybe - this system needs some sort of reform to make it
more transparent and public - but do not expect that anyone can write rules
that may cover every possible case - as they tend to be sometimes very
complex and individual. And the system will never be 100% transparent - as
its idea is to answers E-mails under general WMF privacy policy umbrella.


pon., 20 lip 2020 o 09:03 effe iets anders 
napisał(a):

> The problem I indicated is that 'OTRS' is a diffuse system of queues. There
> are very few policies that govern 'OTRS', and even practices will differ
> across queues. I'm for example a member of the teams that handle info-nl,
> permissions-nl and wlx. All those behave very differently.
> If you replace 'OTRS' with 'xyz queue on OTRS', someone from that queue may
> be able to give you a coherent answer. If you're asking at the OTRS-level,
> I don't think there's much policies/practices beyond the ones that I
> mentioned.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 3:17 PM Alessandro Marchetti 
> wrote:
>
> > I am now quite confused. Are we supposed to ask very specific questions
> > about OTRS hoping to get an answer because if the questions are too
> generic
> > for sure we will never get a lot of answers? is that the general idea?
> >
> > ok if it helps, here are some of them
> > 1. are OTRS policies categorized somehow? is there a page with
> instruction
> > with how to handle mails from private companies, from people, mails of
> > legal issues, mail about copyright etc
> > 2. how are OTRS agents reviewed? is it a peer-review process? is it
> > regularly done?
> > 3. do we have a policy that impose a minimal constant activity on
> > content-reòated platform to keep OTRS flag?
> > 4. how can a normal user file a request to deflag another operator?
> > 5. is there a open log of OTRS requests, some place where minimal
> > information related to a ticket can be disclosed (for example the date of
> > arrival and maybe if it is regarding some content or some other topic?)
> > 6. is there a open log of OTRS operators, where we can see when they got
> > the flag, a link to the request and how many queue they are handling?
> >
> > I think it's enough for now.
> >
> > Alex
> > Il lunedì 20 luglio 2020, 00:01:56 CEST, effe iets anders <
> > effeietsand...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 7:55 AM Andy Mabbett 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 09:03, effe iets anders <
> effeietsand...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I rather have
> > > > that people make their assumptions explicit so that you have an
> > > opportunity

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

[Tomasz Ganicz]

But the statistics we are talking about are from 2016 not 2006... And I
think this is good point as I rember similar discussion in Polish Wikipedia
when strong supporterts of Visual were found actually not using it on
regular basis. Answering the question why you are personally not using it
althgough you claim it is so wonderful might help with future development
of this tool...

pon., 7 gru 2020, 23:13 użytkownik Joseph Seddon 
napisał:

> The simple answer to a simple question is that I created my User:Seddon
> volunteer account in 2006 and Visual Editor was first made available to
> users seven and a half years later.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Surveys using third party tools on Wikimedia projects

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Well, both ZEUS and CiviCRM works well in many NGO-ses. It is just a
subject of proper maintenance. Actually, a piece of free software called
MediaWiki is probably more complicated to maintain than CiviCRM or
Wordpress but WMF is able to maintain it pretty well :-)  I believe that
organization able to successfully maintain the largest MediaWiki based
projects on Earth could also manage to organize free software based survey
system... This is a subject of priorities rather than resources...





pon., 15 lut 2021 o 02:08 Łukasz Garczewski 
napisał(a):

> With respect, Fae, if you're going to propose banning an existing
> solution, it is on you to propose a suitable alternative or at least a
> process to find it before the ban takes effect.
>
> I write this as a signatory of Free Software Foundation Europe's Public
> Money? Public Code open letter . I am
> wholeheartedly a proponent of open source software.
>
> At the same time, I am a firm believer in using the best available tool
> for the job.
>
> Our mission is too important to hold ourselves back at every step due to a
> noble but often unrealistic wish to use open source solutions for
> everything we do.
>
> Last year, because of my drive to use proper open source solutions, WMPL
> wasted hours and hours of staff time (mostly mine) and a not insignificant
> amount of members' time because:
>
>- Zeus, a widely used, cryptographically secure voting system is
>impossible to setup and maintain and has very sparse documentation,
>- CiviCRM, the premier open source CRM solution for NGOs, refuses to
>work correctly after the Wordpress installation is moved to a new URL, and
>documentation isn't helpful.
>
> To my knowledge there are no suitable open source options that would be
> easy-to-use and robust enough to support our needs in both cases and be
> comparable to commercial counterparts.
>
> I have wasted a ton of time (and therefore WMPL money), before I decided
> to use state-of-the-art commercial solutions for the needs described above.
> Don't be like me. Don't make other people think & act like I did. Be
> smarter.
>
> Should we use an *equivalent* open source solution when one is available?
> Yes.
> Should we have a public list of open source tools needed? Yes.
> Should we use programmes such as Google Summer of Code to build those
> tools? Yes.
>
> Should we waste time using sub-par solutions or doing work manually? Hell
> no.
>
> *So here's a constructive alternative idea:*
>
>- Let's gather the needs and use cases for tools used by WMF and
>affiliates,
>- Let's build a list of potential open source replacements and map
>what features are missing,
>- Let's put the word out that we're looking for open source
>replacements where there are none available,
>- Let's embed Wikimedia liaisons in key open source projects to ensure
>our needs and use cases are addressed promptly,
>- Let's use initiatives such as Summer of Code to kickstart building
>some of these tools.
>
> I acknowledge the above is much harder to do than instituting a ban via
> community consensus. It is, however, a much more productive approach and
> will get us to your desired state eventually, and without sabotaging the
> work that needs to happen in the meantime.
>
> Oh, and in case anybody's wondering why we can't build these tools
> in-house:
>
> We could but really, really shouldn't. MediaWiki and the wider Wikimedia
> tech infrastructure is still in need of huge improvements. It would be
> really unwise to distract WMF's development and product teams from these
> goals by requesting they build standard communication or reporting tools.
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 4:42 PM Fæ  wrote:
>
>> As a consequence of the promotion of a Google forms based survey this
>> week by a WMF representative, a proposal on Wikimedia Commons has been
>> started to ban the promotion of surveys which rely on third party
>> sites like Google Forms.[1]
>>
>> Launched today, but already it appears likely that this proposal will
>> have a consensus to support. Considering that Commons is one of our
>> largest Wikimedia projects, there are potential repercussions of
>> banning the on-wiki promotion of surveys which use Google products or
>> other closed source third party products like SurveyMonkey.
>>
>> Feedback is most welcome on the proposal discussion, or on this list
>> for handling impact, solutions, recommended alternatives that already
>> exist, or the future role of the WMF to support research and surveys
>> for the WMF and affiliates by using forking open source software and
>> self-hosting and self-managing data "locally".
>>
>> Links
>> 1.
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Use_of_off-wiki_surveys_using_third-party_tools
>>
>> Thanks
>> Fae
>> --
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>> #WearAMask
>>
>> 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Investigation of possible AffCom's violations - your input welcomed!

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Actually, IMHO no matter if elected or appointed - all committees
established directly by WMF BoT resolutions are obviously part of the WMF
structure.

Cheers,




wt., 26 paź 2021 o 13:20 Paulo Santos Perneta 
napisał(a):

> (Clarification: They are chosen by AffCom from a pool of self nominated
> candidates usually from the communities that make the Wikimedia Movement -
> but community involvement stops there, AFAIK)
>
> P.
>
> Paulo Santos Perneta  escreveu no dia terça,
> 26/10/2021 à(s) 12:16:
>
>> That (AffCom history) I don't know, apart that once they were known as
>> ChapCom. At least since 2017 (and probably well before?) AffCom members are
>> chosen by AffCom itself, and the only entity they answer to is the WMF BoT.
>>
>> Best,
>> Paulo
>>
>>
>> Gnangarra  escreveu no dia terça, 26/10/2021 à(s)
>> 12:01:
>>
>>> During my time on Wikimedia Australia Committee/board the Affcom members
>>> were elected by the Affiliates, though like all committees individuals can
>>> be cooped to fill specific needs
>>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 18:53, Paulo Santos Perneta <
>>> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 "Affcom cant be violating this as they are a volunteer community
 elected committee." - No, despite the dubious information that AffCom
 keeps about themselves on their meta page, they are not "elected", and they
 do not answer to the community 8Wikimedia Movement), as you seem to
 believe.
 They are nominated (by themselves, none the less), and they work for
 WMF BoT (they are a committee of the BoT), and answer to none other than
 WMF BoT. So yes, I'm pretty sure these principles do fully apply to them.

 Best,
 Paulo

 Gnangarra  escreveu no dia terça, 26/10/2021 à(s)
 00:45:

> Michal
>
> The guiding principles you refer to state "*These are not principles
> intended to cover the entire Wikimedia movement, just the Wikimedia
> Foundation*"
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Guiding_Principles.
> Affcom cant be violating this as they are a volunteer community elected
> committee. As a liaison for the WMF to AFFCOM the person you refer to must
> follow the decisions of the committee and is limited to how much they can
> respond.   This is the third forum you have shopped in attacking someone
> who is unable to respond, your complaint is that you dont like a decision
> made by Affcom.
>
> Your action do clearly read as a personal public attack intended to
> negatively affect her reputation, you state that it is by saying " *I
> would much rather to communicate about these affairs privately. 
> **Unfortunately,
> I have recognized her in the MCDC too lately for private communication*"
>  It is never too late for private discussion and in every event it is
> always best to work directly with people to resolve an issue rather than
> post long rambling emails to lists like this and other pub;ic 
> communication
> channels as the person cannot respond in every forum and will never have
> the ability for everyone who has read your rant to get a clear outcome.  
> As
> an employee future employers will also see these threads, again they wont
> find resolutions or any apology.
>
> Act respectfully and take your issues to AFFCOM or to the WMF
> employees line manager privately.
>
> Regards
> Gnangarra
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 02:45, Michal Matúšov <
> kubof.hromos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Risker,
>>
>> first of all I would like to emphasize that I am not sure whether
>> AffCom is violating WMF Guiding principles or not. I have my strong 
>> opinion
>> based on months of interactions, but I consider that investigation is
>> needed to be sure. And in order to receive diverse data for a meaningful
>> investigation I have launched this thread and some data have started to
>> come (thanks Lane!).
>>
>> Now to the point, what are the possible AffCom's violations of WMF
>> Guiding principles? Here are some examples (sorry in advance that they 
>> are
>> going to be bit longer that I would like..):
>>
>> Over the last months I have been in intense communication with AffCom
>> over several things. While I have expected (and accepted) that some
>> communication can be rather slow (because of the structure of AffCom), it
>> showed up that some communication from AffCom is at best very misleading.
>> E.g. AffCom reactively (on my question) informed WUG Esperanto and Free
>> Knowledge (EliSo) that AffCom put on hold EliSo's recognition as a 
>> hematic
>> Organisation. As a reason AffCom mentioned "several issues" and that 
>> AffCom
>> is already dealing about them "with the group". It showed up that nor
>> issues, nor dealing up with the group [EliSo] was true... I have asked
>> 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support for Ukrainian Wikimedians

[Tomasz Ganicz]

I was contacted by two wikipedians from Ukraine which I know personally
with questions about the situation at Polish border and what documents they
need to enter. I just answered them + gave my private phone number, but
till then I haven't heard from them, so they either decided to stay or are
still trying to get to the border. One of them is from Kiev and one from
Lviv. Bear in mind that at the moment, there are around 1 million
Ukrainians queing at the border on the Ukrainian side, and Poland is able
to accept around 100 000 per day.

I guess - if the substantial number of Ukrainian Wikipedias manage to reach
Polish border - some sort of help from WMF would be very appreciated - but
at the moment I guess not too much real help can be done.

Cheers,



Wolny
od wirusów. www.avast.com

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czw., 3 mar 2022 o 11:40 Andy Mabbett 
napisał(a):

> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 18:04, Stephen LaPorte 
> wrote:
>
> > The Foundation is undertaking several initiatives in assisting the
> Wikimedia
> > communities in Ukraine and Russia, and in reviewing the potential impacts
> >that the sanctions will have on the movement. We are not able to discuss
> all
> > the specifics without potential risk to those being supported.
> >
> > What we can disclose is that the Trust and Safety and Human Rights units
> of
> > the Foundation are in constant communication with community members in
> Ukraine
> > and Russia.
>
> Thank you for the response. It is good to know that WMF is assisting
> our colleagues, and of course I understand the need for discretion
> regarding specifics, but I had hoped you could tell us /something/
> about what is being done in that regard.
>
> An additional thought occurs to me: Do we know of any Wikimedians who
> have become refugees, and are we assisting them in their new host
> countries?
>
> Regarding sanctions, do WMF have salaried staff or freelancers in
> Russia, and what is their position now? Does WMF fund a chapter or any
> other grantees in Russia, and ditto?
>
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