Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Public meeting today deferred
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:09:34AM +1000, Steve Zhang wrote: > Hi John, > We're going to do a public meeting on the first Sunday of May (the 4th) at > 4pm AEDST but we're going to experiment with Google Hangouts on Air as well > as IRC, as opposed to just IRC, and see if this improves engagement. Please. please do'nt. It will be chaos. How do people who are not on both know what is going on with the one they do not have? Or are we expected to be on both? Brian. > Steve > > > On 14 April 2014 16:57, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Steve Zhang wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Just a brief note, we will be deferring the public meeting that is > > normally > > > today to another time. > > > > Any update on when the next public meeting will be? > > > > -- > > John Vandenberg > > > > ___ > > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke bd...@wikimedia.org.au Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list
hould be open and > accountable. What recent spending decisions have been made? Are all > members of the committee consulted about financial decision-making? > Was Andrew Owen legally a member of the chapter when he stood for > election last November? Did he pay his renewal fee "in advance on or > before 1 July" as required by chapter by-law 4(12)? If not, was his > cessation of membership recorded on the members' register by 14 July, > as required by section 56(3) of the Associations Incorporation Reform > Act 2012? Did the committee "approve" his application for membership > that was made just before the November election in which he stood for > the position of secretary? (Formal approval is required under chapter > by-laws 4(5) and 4(6).) If not, I believe that neither his membership > nor his position on the committee is legal. > Tony > > - Original Message - > From: "Wikimedia Australia Chapter" > To:"Wikimedia Australia Chapter" > Cc: > Sent:Sun, 16 Mar 2014 17:23:18 +0800 > Subject:Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this > list > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists [4] > > "Please respect Wikiquette [5] and avoid personal attacks [6] on the > mailing lists, especially in the subject header as this is likely to > be repeated by those replying." > > It's in black and white. > > kindest regards > Andrew > > On 16 March 2014 17:18, K. Peachey wrote: > On 16 March 2014 17:50, Steven Zhang wrote: > >2. … but actively disrupting the list is against both the rules > and spirit of the list, and always has been. … > [Citation Needed], I see no > rules http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Mailing_list [9] > or https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l [10]. > > And what and which foundation staff members where involved in this? > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org [11] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l [12] > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org [13] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l [14] > > > > Links: > -- > [1] mailto:to...@iinet.net.au > [2] mailto:wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > [3] mailto:wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists > [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette > [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks > [7] mailto:p858sn...@gmail.com > [8] mailto:steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au > [9] http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Mailing_list > [10] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > [11] mailto:Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > [12] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > [13] mailto:Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > [14] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke bd...@wikimedia.org.au Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Most controversial articles on Wikipedia
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 08:06:17AM +1000, Kerry Raymond wrote: > There has been an Hungarian research project into identifying controversial > articles in Wikipedia, based on the history of reversions and edit wars. > They have a website: > > http://wwm.phy.bme.hu/ > > with their datasets, programs, papers, etc. But the bit you are probably > most itching to see "the top 100 controversial articles in English" (ranked > from most controversial down) is: > > http://wwm.phy.bme.hu/Top100/top100_en_wiki.txt > > with good ol' "George W. Bush" heading up the list. Interesting also that John Howard seems to be the only Australian entry. Brian. > If you want to know more about the methodology or see the top 10 across 10 > languages (article titles translating in English for your viewing pleasure > where a corresponding English article is available to provide a translated > title), you can access the PDF for the paper via: > > > > http://ssrn.com/abstract=2269392 > > > > There is also this nifty real-time visualisation you can view (and play > with) which enables you understand the relative controversial nature across > up to 4 languages. It seems "Jesus" and "Homeopathy" are the most > controversial across English, French, German and Spanish, while "George W > Bush" is as controversial for English-speakers as "Falkland Islands" is for > Spanish speakers and "Croatia" is for German speakers - the French meanwhile > are fighting over the untranslatable "Segolene Royal" (for which no > corresponding article exists on en.WP -- can any French speaker assist with > the translation?). > > > > http://comminfo.rutgers.edu/~aspoerri/searchCrystal/searchCrystal_editWars_A > LL.html > > > > which is mentioned in the paper above but does not appear to be linked from > the website. > > > > There is a "Tour" link in the top left hand corner if you want to know how > to drive the visualisation. It looks like hours of fun! > > > > Kerry > > > > > > > > > -- Brian Salter-Duke bd...@wikimedia.org.au Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Wikimedia Australia COI Policy
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 09:50:52PM +1000, Craig Franklin wrote: > Hi All, > > At our meeting on the weekend, the committee has finalised a draft of a > conflict of interest (COI) policy to apply to members of the chapter's > committee. Members might recall that in the lead up to the AGM last year, > the topic of committee COI came up and prompted some very heated > discussions. It's my hope that by formally codifying some expectations, we > can avoid this sort of thing occurring again. > > Accordingly, the committee seeks public comment on the draft policy. It is > expected that unless there is widespread opposition to this draft > necessitating a complete rewrite, that we will adopt this policy at our > next regularly scheduled meeting on 16 June. > > http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Conflict_of_interest_policy > > Comment is welcome either on the talk page, on this mailing list, or by > private email. An excellent document. Well done. When I started reading it I was going to comment that incorporation should be mentioned in the first sentence by:- "Wikimedia Australia is a non-profit organisation, incorporated in Victoria and recognised by the Wikimedia Foundation as an official chapter, that .." but then I found that incorporation is covered in detail near the end. It still might be a good idea to mention it in the first sentence. Cheers, Brian - a pedantic ex-Public Officer. > Regards, > Craig Franklin > President - Wikimedia Australia -- Brian Salter-Duke bd...@wikimedia.org.au Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Is there a Wikimedia Melbourne Meetup this Sunday 21 July?
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:28:29PM +1000, Chris Watkins wrote: > Thanks Steve. > > Just realized the answer to my question must be a "no" because there's no > such date as "Sunday 21 July" :-). Will wait to hear if it's 22nd or 29th. It is this Sunday. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne_23 Brian. > On 17 July 2012 12:17, Steven Zhang wrote: > > > Hi everyone - I imagine there will be a meetup this Sunday - I've only > > just got back to Melbourne today (still on the way home actually) - I've > > been at Wikimania so am just getting up to speed with everything. We may do > > it on the last Sunday of the month (29th) which is a separation from the > > norm, but gives potential attendees a bit more notice. An announcement will > > be made either today or tomorrow. > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve Zhang > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 17/07/2012, at 12:13 PM, Chris Watkins > > wrote: > > > > From past announcements it seems that there's a Wikimedia meetup at 11am > > on the fourth Sunday of each month - which would mean this coming Sunday. > > Is that right? > > > > I'm staying in the boondocks (Seaford - lovely but a bit far from > > interesting stuff) and I'd like to plan ahead. Thanks! > > > > -- > > Chris Watkins > > > > Appropedia.org - Sharing knowledge to build rich, sustainable lives. > > > > ___ > > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > > > > > ___ > > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > > > > > > -- > Chris Watkins > > Appropedia.org - Sharing knowledge to build rich, sustainable lives. > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke bd...@wikimedia.org.au Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] open wiki editing for WMAU?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:37:23AM +1100, Peter Halasz wrote: > > A more basic question is why are non-members still non-members? > > I have not renewed my membership partly over this issue. (As I said > previously: it shows WMAU is either moving at a glacial pace or is > being run by people who simply do not share my values.) > > > My biggest concern is that open editing is going to be left for the > > committee to administrate. > > If the discussion has really moved from "why" but to "how", then can I > suggest using flagged revisions? Seems to be perfectly suited, and > would save non-members the ridiculous bureaucracy of having to be > "voted in" as a "webmaster" before fixing a typo, while at the same > time preserving pages which you don't wish to ever be seen vandalised > by partner organisations. Discussion pages should of course be > editable by all. > > The suggestion for users to "request a change" through some procedure > on the talk page strikes me as being rather inelegant to say the > least. > > > Who is going to decide what content is acceptable or not? > > I'll come back when you've worked out how to build a community instead > of a bureaucracy. There is a major problem. While we do want to build a community as part of our activities, it is only a part, and we are actually involved in running an association incorporated under the legislation of the State of Victoria as interpreted by Consumer Affairs Victoria (CAV). They are likely to look at our wiki and expect it to be an official web site for the association. We have to be careful to ensure that we confirm with that legislation. I am afraid that some bureaucracy is unavoidable as has been clear as we prepared to be part of the fund raiser. Brian. > Bye > > _______ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke bd...@wikimedia.org.au publicoffi...@wikimedia.org.au Public Officer, Wikimedia Australia Inc. Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:05:42PM +1100, Liam Wyatt wrote: > It seems there are a variety of arguments that have now been put forward > against opening up editing to non-members: > > * "It's a member benefit" - I think we all agree that this is no longer held > as a valid claim. IIRC this was the SOLE reason why we didn't have open > editing to start with, but no matter. I agree. > * "There'll be lots of vandalism" - This has been responded to with the > proposal that only logged-in editing be allowed and some form of > CAPTCHA/email confirmation be used to stop spambots. Still a pain, like the spam on the mailing list. > * "We need to keep the official pages stable" - The official pages (rules, > minutes, donation info...) can be easily locked from editing in just the > same way that the copyright notice page on Wikipedia is locked. We could > even use some form of flagged-revs if we chose. It is more than stable. Some, like minutes, must never change. Soem, like rules, need a general meeting to change them. The process is quite different from most wikis. > * "It will look bad to our potential partner organisations" - I have heard > many criticisms or complaints from external organisations/professionals > about Wikimedia/Wikipedia/Wikimedia-Australia and none of them have been > about the potential for unruly discussion on the chapter wiki. If an > organisation is unwilling to work with the Chapter on the basis that there > might be some disucssion on the wiki that they don't like, then they've > obviously never heard of Wikipedia. Many organisations have some form of > public discussion section on their website (e.g. comments on company blogs) > and this does not meant that people think less of the company. Right now they probably do not know about our wiki. I am certainly not saying that they will consciously say they are "unwilling to work with the Chapter on the basis that there might be some discussion on the wiki that they don't like". I would say that they may get put off if they get the impression that our wiki is not professional about who and what we are. They might not recognise why they are being put off. > If we hope to get more grassroots involvement in the chapter then IMO we > cannot force people to pay $40 and register an account before they can > engage in chapter activities. Volunteers should not be forced to pay money > to volunteer. I agree. > Any organisation that choses not to associate itself with WM-Au on the > basis that we operate a wiki that members of the general public can > edit is more than likely not ready to work with an organisation that > promotes free-culture at all. See above. > And, just like on WP, we can indeed include layers of locks or tags > that indicate 'this page is official policy' or 'this page is for > general discussion'. It is not like WP. WP policies can be changed by consensus so we can have edit wars on policy pages. Much of our stuff can only be changed by either the committee or a General Meeting (Annual or Special). That is why I say that for these pages we have to lock down and explain with a tag. Maybe we should move stuff that is not wiki-editable to a non-wiki web site on the same server. We can give links to it from the wiki. That would make it clear that it is fixed approved stuff. It would free up the wiki to be like a wiki. At present most of it is not like a wiki. Brian. > -Liam > > > wittylama.com/blog > Peace, love & metadata > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Brian Salter-Duke > wrote: > > > There has been a lot of discussion about the official wiki and who > > should be able to edit it. This is in response to the whole debate, so I > > have not kept any other comments. > > > > This wiki is the official wiki. It is how we present ourselves, not just > > to members, but to prospective members, to regulatory bodies, to Glam > > institutions who we hope to work with, with a range of other bodies and > > with the general public. > > > > It is the only place where our rules are displayed, where minutes of > > general and committee meetings are recorded, and a host of other > > official stuff. We are incorporated. We are a legal entity. We now > > have approval to fund raise in Victoria. We need to apply for fund > > raising approval to all other States and Territories, except the NT. We > > have an ABN. We will be applying for deductible gift recipient (DGR) > > status. All this has to be reflected in our official pages. > > > > We are trying hard to relate in a professional manner with a large range > > of GLAM institutions across the country. They will look to ou
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki
There has been a lot of discussion about the official wiki and who should be able to edit it. This is in response to the whole debate, so I have not kept any other comments. This wiki is the official wiki. It is how we present ourselves, not just to members, but to prospective members, to regulatory bodies, to Glam institutions who we hope to work with, with a range of other bodies and with the general public. It is the only place where our rules are displayed, where minutes of general and committee meetings are recorded, and a host of other official stuff. We are incorporated. We are a legal entity. We now have approval to fund raise in Victoria. We need to apply for fund raising approval to all other States and Territories, except the NT. We have an ABN. We will be applying for deductible gift recipient (DGR) status. All this has to be reflected in our official pages. We are trying hard to relate in a professional manner with a large range of GLAM institutions across the country. They will look to our official wiki for reliable information about us. They will judge how serious we are by how professional we present ourselves. The issue is not really about vandalism, but the integrity and professionalism of the whole official wiki. Vandalism with certainly destroy that, but so will edits that discuss ideas that are not officially approved, and edits that are inappropriate. If readers find information that they find to be inaccurate or inappropriate, they will conclude that we are not a serious professional body that they can work with, and they may doubt the accuracy of material on what are clearly official pages. This does not mean that we have to restrict editing to the committee, but we have to make sure that integrity and professionalism is preserved and indeed enhanced. It is not just a question of removing vandalism. There are some pages that must never be allowed to be vandalised. Karl has suggested that the committee does not need to be involved in removing vandalism, but this misses the point. Certainly non-committee members can assist with improving and preserving the wiki, but the committee has to be involved. That is what the committee is elected for. The committee is responsible for the integrity and professionalism of our official presentation outside the association. As a wikimedian, of course I am in favour of opening up the wiki as much as we can, but as a member of the committee and as Public Officer responsible for reporting on our work to Consumer Affairs Victoria, I am very conscious of the responsibility to preserve the integrity and professionalism of the official wiki. If we decide to open it up, we must be quite open about what we are doing. We can not just protect some pages, or restrict editing of some pages to certain groups. We must be clear to the readers. I therefore propose that all pages be clearly tagged with a statement of their status. Pages of rules, minutes, etc. should be tagged with something like "This page is an official page of Wikimedia Australia Inc. and is approved by the association. Editing is restricted to members of the committee". Other pages might be tagged with something like "This page is for the development of ideas by members and supports. Editing is open to all. The page does not necessarily reflect the official views of Wikimedia Australia Inc." We might have a whole series of different tags. The idea is that the reader will not be mislead about our official views and will be quite clear where authentic information is to be found. The committee, because it is responsible, must have the total right to tag any page on the wiki with the first tag above and to restrict editing of that page to the committee. There can be no debate about this. The committee is responsible. Of course these tags will be criticised as being ugly, but to me they are essential. I can only support opening up editing on the official wiki, if we do clearly tag all articles to make their status absolutely clear. Cheers, Brian. -- Brian Salter-Duke bd...@wikimedia.org.au publicoffi...@wikimedia.org.au Committee member and Public Officer, Wikimedia Australia Inc. Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:15:35PM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote: > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:57:02 +1100 > Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:09:58AM +1100, Peter Halasz wrote: > > > So lock those specific pages. Have you ever used Wikipedia? Do you > > > think it would exist if they were worried only about representation? > > > > I will try to respond to this debate, wearing my hat as Public Officer > > of WMAU later, but for now let me just say that our official wiki is > > not like wikipedia. It is much more like: > > I assume this means this is your personal view? It is my personal view but based on my experience as Public Officer since the start of Wikimedia Australia. > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Main_Page > > > > As an incorporated association we have legal obligations to the > > community via CAV, not only to the membership. This means the issue of > > For those of us not in the know, what is CAV, and can you provide a > reference to it for us to look at? CAV is Consumer Affairs Victoria and is the body that administers our incorporation. The general link is:- http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/ but you need to click on to look under Associations, Clubs & Fundraising and then to incorporated associations. It is not just incorporation. We are a legal entitity. We now have approval to fund raise in Victoria. We have an ABN. We will be applying for deductible gift recipient (DGR) status. I will give a more thought through response to the question of access later when I have woken up properly. Brian. > > access is not simple and it requires thought. There is also a real > > Not simple on the backend? I assume whatever sits behind the login > process is able to automatically remove people who didn't pay (ldap? > sql?). If thats the case its also easy to work out who should be in > certain edit groups: they have valid memberships or not. > > > tension here, not only about access. For example, there is also a > > tension between the project's love of anonymity for users, with the > > legal requirements imposed by incorporating. > > Aye. Its entirely possible annon edits will not be a possibility. That > doesn't mean that only members should be able to edit though. > kk > > > Cheers, Brian. > > > > > -- > Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) > Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer > http://www.kgoetz.id.au > No, I won't join your social networking group -- Brian Salter-Duke bd...@wikimedia.org.au publicoffi...@wikimedia.org.au Committee member and Public Officer, Wikimedia Australia Inc. Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:09:58AM +1100, Peter Halasz wrote: > So lock those specific pages. Have you ever used Wikipedia? Do you > think it would exist if they were worried only about representation? I will try to respond to this debate, wearing my hat as Public Officer of WMAU later, but for now let me just say that our official wiki is not like wikipedia. It is much more like: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Main_Page As an incorporated association we have legal obligations to the community via CAV, not only to the membership. This means the issue of access is not simple and it requires thought. There is also a real tension here, not only about access. For example, there is also a tension between the project's love of anonymity for users, with the legal requirements imposed by imcorporating. Cheers, Brian. > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke bd...@wikimedia.org.au publicoffi...@wikimedia.org.au Committee member and Public Officer, Wikimedia Australia Inc. Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Bidding for Wikimania 2012
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 07:25:35AM +1000, Craig Franklin wrote: > Delphine, > > Thanks for the background. From my understanding, one of the major factors > that sunk the Brisbane '09 bid was a lack of chapter support. I don't want > to sound overly negative, but it would be very disappointing if a lot of > people went to the effort of putting a bid together only to fail for the > same reasons that Brisbane failed. Another reason why Brisbane was not successful could well be the point that Delphine made in another post, that the city must have an international airport with flights from everywhere. Getting to Australia is expensive and to minimise the cost, the only possible cities are, as delphine says, Sydney or Melbourne. On the matter of chapter support, I have no doubt that the chapter will support a bid at some point and I do not think we should go ahead unless the chapter does support it. That however is for the future. I have some sympathy for Steve's view that this, 2 days from the AGM, is not the time to be discussing this. The new committee will have other things on its plate when it takes over. Cheers, Brian > Cheers, > Craig > > -Original Message- > From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org > [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Delphine > Ménard > Sent: Thursday, 26 November 2009 9:49 PM > To: Wikimedia-au > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Bidding for Wikimania 2012 > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:57, Craig Franklin wrote: > > Angela, > > > > Have you got any official support from the chapter for this bid? Having > > been the bid leader for the last time an Australian city took a tilt at > > this, I'd say that it's necessary to have committed support from the > chapter > > to have any hope at all of success. I see that supporting the bid is a > part > > of Liam's election platform, but I really think it's not appropriate to > > count on the chapter's enthusiastic support for a Sydney '12 bid without > > some sort of chapter-wide discussion on whether that's the best location > and > > the best time to bid. I'm not saying that the idea of bidding is without > > merit, but I do think that this might not be the best time to proceed. In > > fact, when the chapter membership was polled in March, there seemed to > very > > little to no support for bidding in 2011 > > (http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/2009_member_goals_survey), and I'm not > > sure that opinions on the topic have changed wildly since then. > > > For what it's worth, chapter support for other bids (Gdansk, for > example), were not always acquired from the start. I do not see how > putting up a bid is in any way presumptuous of having the national > chapter's support, no more than I believe that chapter support is > absolutely necessary to lead a bid to success. What makes the success > of a bid is a dedicated organizing team, who can mobilize the right > resources (and those might include mobilizing the chapter's resources) > at the right time. > > Wikimedia Germany never really supported the Frankfurt Wikimania more > than saying "ah cool", there was no chapter backing Wikimania in > Cambridge, the chapter was created in Taiwan just for Wikimania and > did not survive the event, Wikimania in Alexandria was backed up by no > chapter. Only Wikimania in Buenos Aires and Wikimedia Argentina had > really strong ties. Wikimedia Polska was one of many supporters of the > Gdansk bid, but as far as I am aware, not the organisation "carrying" > the bid to start with. > > Finally, if Wikimania is _ever_ going to get to Australia, I think > that thinking about it 2 years in advance is the least that should be > done. > > > Cheers, > > Delphine > (organizer of 3 Wikimanias out of 5). > > -- > ~notafish > > NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will > get lost. > Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - > http://blog.notanendive.org > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke treasu...@wikimedia.org.au Treasurer and Public Officer, Wikimedia Australia Inc. Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Our website
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 09:13:44AM +1000, private musings wrote: I would liek to raise a number of points about the matters PM raises below. > In making these updates, a few things emerge to my mind as becoming a bit > more diserable / pressing; > >- I would like to highlight the possibility of an organisation joining >WMAU - for whatever reason it seems to me that we're talking to quite a few >organisations who would be interested in supporting the Chapter in this > way. >There's no tension in my mind between between this process and encouraging >individual membership also. First, the boring techical points. Our current rules do not allow this. We will have to alter the rules, but it would save money to do several changes at once. Second, what are we really talking about here. Do we really mean membership? If so, what rights would they have as members. Perhaps the right to nominate x people to attend General and Special Meetings with the right to vote? I would invisage x to be small, like 2 or maybe 3. What else. or do we mean something different that might be called corporate affiliates or something similar, with no voting rights. You talk of "supporting the Chapter in this way". What way? Would joning WMAU mean they support the Chapter more than they (those we are talking to) are already doing? This all needs carefully fleshing out. >- Our Donate channels are a bit limited - we need an acceptable online >donation scheme asap. Questions have been raised about what is "acceptable" to us as an Association, as well as to donors or members. For example, PayPal seems to involve transfering monies from PayPal to our account. We require two signatures for cheques and for any payment out. How do we keep this security on our funds if we have a PayPal account. Can we prevent a Treasurer (of course I would never do such a thing, but ..) from using this loophole in PayPal to walk off with our funds. Also can we have a PayPal account only for receiving monies and not, in any way, for outgoing payments? As Treasurer, I proposed a PayPal account, but these concerns have delayed it. It may still happen, but I would welcome some comments on security of our funds if we have a PayPal account. Also are there acceptable alternatives to PayPal, that are not over kill, or expensive? >- It might be wise to have some sort of policy on cleanup of older items >- many of the pages easily navigated to are mothballed to various degrees. Yes, this is a serious problems. It is already getting difficult to navigate between minutes of committee meetings and their sub-pages, just for starters. Cheers, Brian. > > that's it for now :-) > > cheers, > > Peter > PM. > -- Brian Salter-Dukeb_d...@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. Also on Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, fr:Wikipedia and others. Treasurer, Wikimedia Australia Inc,Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Phorm opt-out for wikimedia.org.au?
Angela, I would certainly support you doing this and I do not think it will be disputed as the WMF and larger chatpers with more web presence have done so. However, perhaps the committee needs to discuss it. Cheers, Brian. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 01:59:57PM +1000, Angela Beesley wrote: > Along with the Foundation, many of the chapters including France, > Germany, and the UK, are opting out of Phorm. Are there plans for > Wikimedia Australia to do the same? If the domain is still registered > in my name, I'm happy to send the letter if the committee wants me to > do that. > > http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/04/wikimedia-opting-out-of-phorm/ > > Angela > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Dukeb_d...@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. Also on Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, fr:Wikipedia and others. Treasurer, Wikimedia Australia Inc,Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Minutes of committee's 2009-02-15 meeting
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 06:44:41PM +1100, Angela Beesley wrote: > 2009/2/21 Sarah Ewart : > > > If two or more members use the tag "DEFER TO MEETING" in their comments, > > resolutions on the topic may not be passed by the wiki method, and must be > > brought to a real-time committee meeting. > > Why does this need 2 people? If one person thinks the topic needs > further discussion, why not do that and try to come to a consensus on > the issue after the discussion? Without it, people may be making the > wrong decision when they cast their votes. > > Angela It is not about further discussion really. That is a given. The wiki discussion continues until the wording of the resolution is agreed. It then goes to a vote. I think it is then reasonable for it to be 2 members who defer the vote to a meeting. The key is getting consensus on what we want to vote on. Brian. ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Dukeb_d...@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. Also on Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, fr:Wikipedia and others. Treasurer, Wikimedia Australia Inc,Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Overseas donation
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 07:00:13PM +1100, private musings wrote: > g'day all, > > so I have this friend in the US who'd like to donate $20 to the AU > chapter is this possible? and if so, how? :-) I agree with Delphines's caution about fees. As Treasurer, I will try to help, but I am not yet recognised by our bank as a signature, so I suggest you ask him to hold for a while and I will try to get the best advice to you as soon as I can. Brian. > cheers, > > Peter > PM > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Dukeb_d...@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. Also on Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, fr:Wikipedia and others. Treasurer, Wikimedia Australia Inc,Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WM-AU national gathering
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 04:42:14PM +1100, Stephen Bain wrote: > 2009/1/27 Charles Gregory : > > > > 2. I believe our AGM needs to be held between July-November. I'm not sure > > how Linux Australia gets away with holding theirs in January. They may be > > incorporated in a different state with different rules? > > We have to have our AGM* every calendar year within 5 months of the > end of our financial year. We operate on a July 1 to June 30 financial > year, so we have to have an AGM by the end of November. If our > financial year was different then our AGM timing would be too. As you > say the rules may well also be different in different states (or > federally). > > -- > * Note that we're actually allowed to have more than one AGM in any > given calendar year, we just have to have at least one in each > calendar year. Not exactly. To clarify, the rules talk about "the annual general meeting", but we can have a "Special General Meeting" (Rule 10) or more than one. Annual reports are presented at the AGM, but rule changes and the like can come to the AGM or a SGM. Brian. > -- > Stephen Bain > stephen.b...@gmail.com > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Dukeb_d...@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] is single user account with en:Wikipedia main account. Also on Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, fr:Wikipedia and others. Treasurer, Wikimedia Australia Inc,Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] AGM Election nominations closed
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:41:48PM +1100, Brianna Laugher wrote: > 2009/1/5 Craig Franklin : > >> Should the VP candidates be included in the Ordinary Member election > >> too (if they want to) so the failing VP candidate may still be a > >> committee member if they get enough votes to be an Ordinary Member? > >> (Probably not for this election.) > >> > >> -- > >> Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.) > > > > I'd say that section 23(2) of the rules probably rules this out, namely "A > > candidate may only be nominated for one office, or as an ordinary member of > > the committee, prior to the annual general meeting." > > > > Also, I feel it would be a bit odd now that nominations have closed to > > change the way the election will be conducted. > > Yes. I actually found this rule rather bizarre. I thought it was > normal to be able to nominate for multiple positions, in case you > don't get the first one. > > This is something I think we should consider changing, at some point. > Now that we have some experience using our Rules we know a bit better > which of them need some tweaking. I agree and I have made a note to consider it during the year. There will probably be a number of things we should think about improving in the rules. Brian. > cheers > Brianna > > -- > They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: > http://modernthings.org/ > > _______ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Dukeb_d...@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity and others. Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Our first donation!
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 06:22:25PM +0900, Andrew wrote: > So just to clarify, you mean that we may be able (assuming all sorts of > things which haven't yet been discussed or resolved) to get tax deductible > status for donations to WMA for WMA purposes, but not for donations to WMA > for WMF purposes? Yes, I think that puts it better. The question might be how we can include WMF within the purposes of WMA. We need a tame lawyer. I'll ask the one wikipedian in Australia who is an academic laywer what he thinks. Cheers, Brian. > cheers > Andrew > > 2008/11/25 Brian Salter-Duke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 05:49:06PM +1100, Brianna Laugher wrote: > > > 2008/11/25 Karl Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> I received a couple of emails to our contact address about how to > > > >> donate or if donations to us were tax deductible. (For the record they > > > >> are NOT.) > > > > > > > > Any chance that will change? > > > > > > Tax deductability status is something we will definitely be seeking > > > but it will something to look at after the AGM I think. > > > > There may be an issue that we can get tax deductable status for > > donations for charitable purposes in Australia but not for sending > > donations to the USA for what might well be considered chartitable > > purposes just in the USA. We need to investigate that. > > > > Brian. > > > > > Brianna > > > > > > -- > > > They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: > > > http://modernthings.org/ > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > > > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > > > -- > > Brian Salter-Duke[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. > > Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity and others. > > Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! > > > > > > _______ > > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity and others. Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Our first donation!
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 05:49:06PM +1100, Brianna Laugher wrote: > 2008/11/25 Karl Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I received a couple of emails to our contact address about how to > >> donate or if donations to us were tax deductible. (For the record they > >> are NOT.) > > > > Any chance that will change? > > Tax deductability status is something we will definitely be seeking > but it will something to look at after the AGM I think. There may be an issue that we can get tax deductable status for donations for charitable purposes in Australia but not for sending donations to the USA for what might well be considered chartitable purposes just in the USA. We need to investigate that. Brian. > Brianna > > -- > They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: > http://modernthings.org/ > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity and others. Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia Australia now open for membership
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 08:41:05PM +0100, Delphine Ménard wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:50, Liam Wyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is great! I've signed up and am awaiting approval from the > > secretary :-P > > > > Can I suggest that we put somewhere prominently the: > > - Price(s) of membership > > I don't understand what a $20/year concession is? It is an accepted term in Australia to indicate someone who has a concession card, i.e. mostly students and pensioners. The card allows reduced cost travel and other benefits so many organisations have a reduced subscription for such people. Brian. > Could you clarify please? :) > > Delphine > > > -- > ~notafish > > NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get > lost. > Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity and others. Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2008-11-09 ctte meeting minutes
This is essentially what I suggested, but with a lower fee for the sponsors. On reflection I think that something like $100, just above the cost of 2 individual subscriptions would be fine. Anything over would be covered by calling it a donation as Nick says. It is important to recognise that sponsorship might not be the only relationship we have with organisations. We could have all sorts of relationship on a one-off basis with organisations that are not sponsors, but only sponsors would have the right to nominate two people to be members. In some cases, the organisation would not give us anything other than access, advice or or other non-cash benefit to WMAU. Brian. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:17:29PM +1000, Nick Perkins wrote: > This should be embraced and as soon as possible. > > There should be a organisation member level with a set fee and set > rights/privileges. This might include 2 votes and listing on the chapter > wiki. All organisations become members at this level and cost. The fee > should be x times the individual membership fee, so that it keeps parity > with other member fees. I'd be personally happy with 2 to 3 times ($80 - > $120). > > Further donations could (and should) be received but only as donations, > without fear or favour and without any expectation of extra > rights/privileges. > > This allows organisations of all sizes to become members and those who want > to donate funds/resources etc above that have the option. However they need > to understand that they don't get anything special for that (other than > appropriate acknowledgment of the support). > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity and others. Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2008-11-09 ctte meeting minutes
t; may not be legal under the current rules however). We can do with as much > established support as we can get and we should AGF in these corporations > intentions. > > -Liam > [[user:witty lama]] > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity and others. Go Wikimedia Australia Inc, Go! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
