, hoping to get back to some editing on Aboriginal Australian
articles (especially for North Queensland) in the near future
Bruceanthro
On Tue, 18/3/14, Steven Zhang steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014, at 20:41, to...@iinet.net.au wrote:
Steven, you don't put someone on moderation because they're asking
uncomfortable questions. You provided no evidence of your accusations
of personal attack.
Just by evidence of two instances of such attacks in this thread? One of them
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014, at 20:41, to...@iinet.net.au wrote:
Steven, you don't put someone on moderation because they're asking
uncomfortable questions. You provided no evidence of your accusations
of personal attack.
Just by
On 18 March 2014 10:49, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
While legal threats are banned on the wiki projects, the mailing lists
are managed differently, and there are differences in expectations of
behaviour (and dispute resolution) for the mailing lists.
Personally I'd consider
There used to a be a good document on TS wiki for their mailing lists we
could link to.
On 18 March 2014 21:59, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 March 2014 10:49, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com
For now I've put the following text on the listinfo page:
Posters are expected to conduct themselves in a decorous manner
appropriate to a working list. Posters not doing so may be moderated
or removed. The list moderators' decision is final.
I'd expect personal attacks or legal threats would
Gerard
Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014 3:05 AM
To: Australian Wikimedians mailing list
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list
For now I've put the following text on the listinfo page:
Posters are expected to conduct themselves in a decorous manner appropriate
On 18 March 2014 22:33, Lyle Allan lylea...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
Surely there should be a right of appeal. Just removing someone from a list
on the sayso of one person is something that should not be acceptable.
That's why a second admin would be an idea. OTOH, don't be a dick is
the
Moving on, and bringing it back to what is important, Steven, can you
please address the questions which have been asked of you.
Cheers
Scotty
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Steven Zhang steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au
wrote:
Hi all,
Just to confirm, this was a deliberate removal and
Steven's answer looked complete and apposite to me.
On 17 March 2014 12:49, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
Moving on, and bringing it back to what is important, Steven, can you please
address the questions which have been asked of you.
Cheers
Scotty
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014
Actually, he hasn't answered ANY questions that have been asked of him,
either by myself, nor by Tony.
His killing Tony's subscription because Tony has valid questions in
relation to Andrew Owens' position on the Committee seems like a bit of a
cover up, and a stupid attempt to silence a person
The questions have been answered previously but for clarity
Tony wasnt blocked for asking about Andrew that is a question raised just a
day ago, Tony was blocked for repeatably not respecting
Wikiquettehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette,
making personal
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:45 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, kicking people off the list in such circumstances has generally
been acceptable on Wikimedia lists, with or without notice. Though
notice is nice and adds to transparency.
Really? You guys have banned regular
None of my questions have been answered by the committee (or by David
Gerard, who seems to think it's worth it to chime in without
evidence)
The critical questions are where I have been uncivil, repeatably not
respectingWikiquette, or making personal attacks, according to
Gideon (Gnangarra). That
Although I don't know the cause of Tony's problems, when I tried to get an
automated email sent from the listserver just now, Gmail automatically
transferred them into the social category so that they weren't visible,
which initially led me to assume that they weren't making it through. Some
email
Yeah, Hanlon's razor perhaps should be remembered here! :-) Not that I
mean to imply any incompetence on the part of the list administrators,
but I do imagine that it's more likely that someone's made a mistake
here and is not being actively mean.
And Toby, I do recall reading an email from
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Sam Wilson s...@samwilson.id.au wrote:
Yeah, Hanlon's razor perhaps should be remembered here! :-) Not that I mean
to imply any incompetence on the part of the list administrators, but I do
imagine that it's more likely that someone's made a mistake here and is
Hi all,
Just to confirm, this was a deliberate removal and not a technical error.
Two brief points here:
1. This was not a unilateral action that I took - it was a discussion that
the committee had in its January meeting, and decided on as a whole, in
addition to being a decision that was
On 16 March 2014 17:50, Steven Zhang steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au wrote:
2. … but actively disrupting the list is against both the rules and spirit
of the list, and always has been. …
[Citation Needed], I see no rules
http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Mailing_list or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists
Please respect
Wikiquettehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquetteand avoid
personal attackshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attackson
the mailing lists, especially in the subject header as this is likely
to
be
On 16 March 2014 15:45, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
So I would suggest for the future (1) when kicking someone, say so and
why (unless there's a really good reason not to) (2) have a mix of
list admins.
I'll note also we have occasionally put people on moderation when
they're
Warning, Russavia: you are coming perilously close to being sued. Keep
repeating your behaviour and I'll have no choice to be file a case. If
the list administrators are prepared to accuse me without basis of
making personal attacks while letting other members personally attack
me, they will
Tony and everybody else. I have had enough. I do not want to remain a
member of a volunteer organisation where this kind of drama goes on. I
will not renew. I am an officer of two other incorporated associations
and in the past have been an officer or committee member of several
more. There is
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Cc:
Sent:
Mon, 17 Mar 2014 00:17:01 +0800
Subject:
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list
Tony,
I have a very low tolerance for bullshit, and I will call people out on it
whenever I see it.
Seriously, if you feel belittled and hurt by me calling you
Stephen, Charles and John,
This obviously needs to be answered. If Tony has had his subscription
cancelled/killed as he claims, this is a serious issue.
As much as I think Tony is an a-grade twit, he has every right to his
opinions on matters which relate to Wikimedia in Australia, no matter how
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