Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
Hey people if you all are wondering who the sick is Karthik Nadar on fundraising appeal, it's non other then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Karthikndr. Happy editing! Thanks and Regards, Karthik Nadar. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype
Thanks for the heads up Srikanth. This is a good initiative to get new editors, though there are some idiots like me who prefer the existing editing process. On 12/13/11, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: Some of you might interested to have a early sneak peak of widely expected feature on the rolls. Also share some love back by testing and reporting bugs on bugzilla. -- Forwarded message -- From: Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org Date: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 02:57 Subject: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Wikitext-l wikitex...@lists.wikimedia.org Here's the demo, where you can edit some canned texts (but not actual Wikipedia articles, yet): http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox Post bugs here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=VisualEditor And here's the blog post, which puts it more in context. http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/13/help-test-the-first-visual-editor-developer-prototype/ This new editor was mostly written by Trevor Parscal and Inez Korczyński, although lots of others have contributed. I've sat a desk away from them for a few months and I have to say I'm extremely impressed with what they've put together. If you're expecting Google Docs, we're not there yet. But the basics are starting to solidify, and it's getting easier and easier to add cool features. Hey MediaWiki developers, surely you're not going to let Trevor and Inez have *all* the fun? -- Neil Kandalgaonkar (| ne...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Regards Srikanth.L -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
I used to get broken text for Hindi/Devanagari and Tamil, and boxes for other scripts. Now I see no difference in the text on my phone. On 12/13/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Curious: Is anybody testing this for mobile web? Shiju's report last week suggested an increase in traffic via mobile web, I think. I have started trying to read ml.wiki on my cell pointing my phone browser at ml.m.wikipedia.org and all I get are boxes right now. I'm using Opera Mini browser on a Nokia E63. Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote: Have found a few more bugs in testing (other than the ones mentioned in the original mail) 1) Nepali - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33039 2) Sanskrit, Hindi and Nepali - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33038 3) Odiya - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33034 4) Sanskrit, Hindi - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33040 And they keep coming. At this rate me and srikanth should be paid per bug by the WMF. I am yet to touch Assamese, Marathi, Punjabi, Bengali or Firefox 4.x, 6.x and IE 6.0, 8.0 and have only began Chrome testing. I am totally wiped for the day and quitting testing. Will try to cover the other cases tomorrow. Two thoughts at the end of a long day: i) To i18n team: Instead of launching a such a buggy code, that too as a compulsory and default option for all users, why not listen to feedback and do proper testing?. Testing is always better than firefighting. Its never too late, roll back this soft launch, form language teams, test this for a few weeks thoroughly and then do project by project launches. ii)To Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Sanskrit, Oriya, Marathi, Assamese and Bengali folks on this list. Spread the word and test, test, test. File bug reports. This needs thorough testing in all OSes/browsers/connections by people who know the language. Learn from this experience and dont accept any untested products. Mayur has reported in one of the bugs that hi wiki users are reporting strange issues and has suggested making webfonts optional [1] A few weeks back i tried to warn the communities not to accept webfonts without proper testing. [2] What i feared has come to pass. Probably should have posted in all village pumps. ==Links== [1]https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33024 [2] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-November/005153.html On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Also forgot to tell you. My college uses ONLY systems with Windows XP and Internet Explorer 6. Most students are from a Tamil background, and they read Tamil websites, Wikipedia very often. On 12/13/11, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Pardon for a long mail, just unavoidable. We have seen the WebFonts roll out[0] last night to most Indic wikis except Malayalam and Tamil. We in Tamil Community felt WebFonts extension is just not ready for us. We would like to share on why we in Tamil community didnt chose webfonts and also what could work better in future for Indic communities during technology adoption. 1. *Unavailability of Quality Free fonts* :- During the development, our request for not setting the default font as a lower quality font was rejected citing it will defeat the purpose of extension.[1] The available fonts had issues and deploying the extension with those low quality fonts to everyone would not only defeat the purpose of extension, but also gives Tamil Wikipedia a bad image when people just cant read the fonts even though they had better fonts in system. (Just like how i18n team says people who see boxes will just simply close the window, we say giving these poor fonts will also lead to same thing and not help the cause, instead will also hurt those who have better fonts.). 2. *Quality of User Experience* :- We are a smaller wiki, we have a smaller reader base, but still we are ranked 7th most visited website in Tamil according to alexa[2]. Just like how no-nonsense / no-mediocrity is tolerated in any code that enters WMF cluster, any change which will affect the site's look and feel, user experience will have to be of highest standards and must be accepted by community. WebFonts were just not ready to enter Wikipedia, since it changes the UX for all the readers to help a potentially lower number of users who dont have Tamil fonts than the current existing reader base. *What we feel was wrong in WebFonts deployment* We have also been seeing the wikis where they have been rolled out and reporting issues. We ourselves are reporting issues inspite of not taking WebFonts, with the hope software just gets better and some day we can deploy them. Dont get us wrong, we are not against technology, we just need it in better
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] OT FOSS assist WAS Re: Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
Vickram, your tone makes it look like everything is our fault. We cannot switch over to Firefox/Linux for one simple reason. Most students here are from a Rural background and won't be able to adjust to new stuff. They had a tough time adjusting from Windows 7 to XP when the rollback was done due to issues with Turbo C++ and Microsoft COBOL compiler. -- On 12/13/11, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com: Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college or other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never mind antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are prepared to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will get reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully result in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services. *ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that they should do it. While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .) -- Amir E. Aharoni ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] First release candidate of Wikipedia Android app
Nice, but I have a simple suggestion. Can a QR Code Reader be integrated? For QRPedia purposes? Source is there on Google Code. On 12/12/11, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia Android app.. -- Forwarded message -- From: Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org Date: 12 December 2011 11:50 Subject: [WikimediaMobile] First release candidate of Wikipedia Android app To: mobile-l mobil...@lists.wikimedia.org Greetings All, After many check ins of hard work I'm happy to release RC1 of the Wikipedia Android application. For those that just want to download and test follow this link http://dumps.wikimedia.org/android/WikipediaMobile-RC1.apk (MD5 58b541ff987888bf5a27ee55c1809608) or download the attachement on your phone. We need you to teset this extensively and file bugs under https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikimedia%20Mobile. Hammer on these builds mercilessly so that we can get all the kinks out before our market release. Our Global Development team is really eager to get this app into our partners hands and we need to get all the bugs out as quickly as possible. Key points to test * Browse as you would normally do on WIFI, 2G, 3G, no connectivity * Save an article that your on and then load it as a bookmark. Delete that bookmark. * Open your browsing history and load a previous page * Tap 'near me' and browse articles. Move the map and tap 'redo search in this area' * Share a link with someone on twitter or facebook * Changing your language preference in the Settings menu * Use a phone that is in a non US local to test other languages like Hebrew, Japanese, Arabic, etc * .. and whatever else you may want try out I've setup a quick wiki page for general feedback @ http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/WikipediaMobileAndroidFeedback (edit away) There are bound to be bugs but don't think that someone will file them for you. If you don't file it then chances are that we wont know its an issue. If your not sure of wether its a bug or not then come join us on #wikimedia-mobile (freenode) and we'll sort it out. --tomasz ___ Mobile-l mailing list mobil...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
Hey Karthik, just one question. Why the word 'sick' ??? On 12/14/11, Karthik Nadar karthik...@gmail.com wrote: Hey people if you all are wondering who the sick is Karthik Nadar on fundraising appeal, it's non other then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Karthikndr. Happy editing! Thanks and Regards, Karthik Nadar. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
The order which was mentioned by Srikanth L, is very useful for the smaller Wiki projects. Because, many End users using WP, Wiktionary very most. (I understand the power of Wiktionary today. My math professor said, *Use Tamil Wiktionary to get equivalent Tamil word for an English word!*)* *I wondered. :) As, he's a professor in college he may not know much about these communities behind those projects. Because, the end user only likes OUTPUT just output data. He will not feel about the *Red link* or anything else. So, from that POV, these kind of extensions should be checked in all platforms. Thanks Bala for checking *ALL (currently web fonts installed languages) *Indic languages reporting bugs. Thanks. *$U®¥∩* http://goo.gl/RoMyo.com http://FirefoxSurya.blogspot.com http://about.me/suryaceg On 14 December 2011 11:18, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.comwrote: hi, Curious: Is anybody testing this for mobile web? Shiju's report last week suggested an increase in traffic via mobile web, I think. I have started trying to read ml.wiki on my cell pointing my phone browser at ml.m.wikipedia.org and all I get are boxes right now. I'm using Opera Mini browser on a Nokia E63. Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote: Have found a few more bugs in testing (other than the ones mentioned in the original mail) 1) Nepali - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33039 2) Sanskrit, Hindi and Nepali - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33038 3) Odiya - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33034 4) Sanskrit, Hindi - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33040 And they keep coming. At this rate me and srikanth should be paid per bug by the WMF. I am yet to touch Assamese, Marathi, Punjabi, Bengali or Firefox 4.x, 6.x and IE 6.0, 8.0 and have only began Chrome testing. I am totally wiped for the day and quitting testing. Will try to cover the other cases tomorrow. Two thoughts at the end of a long day: i) To i18n team: Instead of launching a such a buggy code, that too as a compulsory and default option for all users, why not listen to feedback and do proper testing?. Testing is always better than firefighting. Its never too late, roll back this soft launch, form language teams, test this for a few weeks thoroughly and then do project by project launches. ii)To Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Sanskrit, Oriya, Marathi, Assamese and Bengali folks on this list. Spread the word and test, test, test. File bug reports. This needs thorough testing in all OSes/browsers/connections by people who know the language. Learn from this experience and dont accept any untested products. Mayur has reported in one of the bugs that hi wiki users are reporting strange issues and has suggested making webfonts optional [1] A few weeks back i tried to warn the communities not to accept webfonts without proper testing. [2] What i feared has come to pass. Probably should have posted in all village pumps. ==Links== [1]https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33024 [2] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-November/005153.html On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Also forgot to tell you. My college uses ONLY systems with Windows XP and Internet Explorer 6. Most students are from a Tamil background, and they read Tamil websites, Wikipedia very often. On 12/13/11, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Pardon for a long mail, just unavoidable. We have seen the WebFonts roll out[0] last night to most Indic wikis except Malayalam and Tamil. We in Tamil Community felt WebFonts extension is just not ready for us. We would like to share on why we in Tamil community didnt chose webfonts and also what could work better in future for Indic communities during technology adoption. 1. *Unavailability of Quality Free fonts* :- During the development, our request for not setting the default font as a lower quality font was rejected citing it will defeat the purpose of extension.[1] The available fonts had issues and deploying the extension with those low quality fonts to everyone would not only defeat the purpose of extension, but also gives Tamil Wikipedia a bad image when people just cant read the fonts even though they had better fonts in system. (Just like how i18n team says people who see boxes will just simply close the window, we say giving these poor fonts will also lead to same thing and not help the cause, instead will also hurt those who have better fonts.). 2. *Quality of User Experience* :- We are a smaller wiki, we have a smaller reader base, but still we are ranked 7th most visited website in Tamil according to alexa[2]. Just like how no-nonsense / no-mediocrity is
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
Ermmm, I think he just means it as a milder expletive in the category of fig, freak, frog, frock and others maybe? :P Glad to see an Indian name for fundraising! Kudos. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Karthik, just one question. Why the word 'sick' ??? On 12/14/11, Karthik Nadar karthik...@gmail.com wrote: Hey people if you all are wondering who the sick is Karthik Nadar on fundraising appeal, it's non other then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Karthikndr. Happy editing! Thanks and Regards, Karthik Nadar. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
hi, Can WikiPatrika discussion be taken under a new thread? It has matters and points that might need this. This thread meant to look at stuff like tech support, legal, help and the long list of the like. There are people doing this on their own but might be nice to do it a little more openly so that the whole community can be helped. Also, when such resources cannot be found, they can have people trained etc. Something along those lines. Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
hi, Oops. Mistake in second para. This discussion is on GLAM. Must remember to read the subject twice. Apologies. Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Can WikiPatrika discussion be taken under a new thread? It has matters and points that might need this. This thread meant to look at stuff like tech support, legal, help and the long list of the like. There are people doing this on their own but might be nice to do it a little more openly so that the whole community can be helped. Also, when such resources cannot be found, they can have people trained etc. Something along those lines. Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
Ashwin, I fail to understand what this has to do with GLAM. Unless ofcourse, Noopur can run a section on GLAM on WikiPatrika ... On 12/14/11, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Please add Sanskrit 2003 web font to Sanskrit Wikipedia
I just saw that web fonts facility have been added to Indic wikis. On Hindi and Sanskrit wikipedia, there are Lohit Devanagari and Samyak Devanagari fonts. I request to add Sanskrit 2003http://hi.wikipedia.org/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A5%A8%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A9web font to Sanskrit wikipedia (and if possible to other Devanagari script based wikis) because it is the best Unicode font to display Sanskrit text. It is also free, so there is no problem to use it for this purpose. -- *Shrish Benjwal Sharma* *(श्रीश बेंजवाल शर्मा http://hindi.shrish.in)* ~~~ *If u can't beat them, join them.* ePandit http://epandit.shrish.in/:* *http://epandit.shrish.in/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please add Sanskrit 2003 web font to Sanskrit Wikipedia
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 20:16, ePandit | ई-पण्डित sharma.shr...@gmail.comwrote: I just saw that web fonts facility have been added to Indic wikis. On Hindi and Sanskrit wikipedia, there are Lohit Devanagari and Samyak Devanagari fonts. I request to add Sanskrit 2003http://hi.wikipedia.org/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A5%A8%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A9web font to Sanskrit wikipedia (and if possible to other Devanagari script based wikis) because it is the best Unicode font to display Sanskrit text. It is also free, so there is no problem to use it for this purpose. As far as I could check, it is not a freely licensed font. They are only free for personal use. I could not find a clear license statement for it though, If you could find it, please point it to us. If its freely licensed, please file a bug request here[1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=WebFonts -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
@ashwin thanks :) I plan to get one for Jan hopefully or at least figure things out by then. Am already designing a new logo and trying to see what sections can cover Indic reports+GLAM+outreach and more. If you have categories in mind, post on talk page or let's take this on private mail. I will need help editing maybe and i suck at using templates etc. Would be glad if you could help with it. :) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I fail to understand what this has to do with GLAM. Unless ofcourse, Noopur can run a section on GLAM on WikiPatrika ... On 12/14/11, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
hi, GLAM contributions will impact contributions to Wikipedia sister projects like Commons and WikiSource. Would love if people active on these projects would come forward and share how such uploads from GLAM would need to be moderated, etc. Would love to hear more from someone who's onto WikiSource, especially. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: @ashwin thanks :) I plan to get one for Jan hopefully or at least figure things out by then. Am already designing a new logo and trying to see what sections can cover Indic reports+GLAM+outreach and more. If you have categories in mind, post on talk page or let's take this on private mail. I will need help editing maybe and i suck at using templates etc. Would be glad if you could help with it. :) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I fail to understand what this has to do with GLAM. Unless ofcourse, Noopur can run a section on GLAM on WikiPatrika ... On 12/14/11, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
*On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I fail to understand what this has to do with GLAM. Unless ofcourse, Noopur can run a section on GLAM on WikiPatrika ...* The way I understood it Noopur is willing to help out with a newsletter. Of course GLAM will be part of it, but the newsletter WikiPatrika which we had hoped would succeed needs to be revived if GLAM has to have a e-newsletter to carry its articles in... Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please add Sanskrit 2003 web font to Sanskrit Wikipedia
Err, Subhashish of Odia has considerable experience in designing fonts. Perhaps, he could help out. On 12/14/11, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 20:16, ePandit | ई-पण्डित sharma.shr...@gmail.comwrote: I just saw that web fonts facility have been added to Indic wikis. On Hindi and Sanskrit wikipedia, there are Lohit Devanagari and Samyak Devanagari fonts. I request to add Sanskrit 2003http://hi.wikipedia.org/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A5%A8%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A9web font to Sanskrit wikipedia (and if possible to other Devanagari script based wikis) because it is the best Unicode font to display Sanskrit text. It is also free, so there is no problem to use it for this purpose. As far as I could check, it is not a freely licensed font. They are only free for personal use. I could not find a clear license statement for it though, If you could find it, please point it to us. If its freely licensed, please file a bug request here[1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=WebFonts -- Regards Srikanth.L -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Pune hackathon scheduled 10-12 February 2012
You are invited to the Pune Wikimedia hackathon. Date: 10-12 February 2012 Venue: Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies Research (SICSR) at Symbiosis International University, Pune Extremely rough event page, soon to get more details: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012 A Wikimedia hackathon is a chance to learn how to develop using MediaWiki, Phonegap, and our other technologies, and to work alongside experts. Software engineers, designers, and translators are welcome. We're tentatively planning to focus on internationalisation and localisation, mobile and offline Wikipedia access, and the gadgets framework. I aim to get more details in the next two weeks. If you're interested, please leave your name and your email address, or a link to your user page, on that event page. (A real registration system is coming soon.) Thanks! And please feel free to publicize this elsewhere. I've heard that, when marketing, you have to get the message to the recipient three times in three different ways before you have a good chance they've noticed it. So if you need something to help get the word out -- a sample tweet/dent, a leaflet, etc. -- let me know. Thanks! -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
Pradeep, my thoughts exactly. The Commons would be the most utilised project due to GLAM, and I think we should ask Yann, who is an admin. Also, I'm curious to what role WikiSource would play here, especially in India. On 12/14/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, GLAM contributions will impact contributions to Wikipedia sister projects like Commons and WikiSource. Would love if people active on these projects would come forward and share how such uploads from GLAM would need to be moderated, etc. Would love to hear more from someone who's onto WikiSource, especially. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: @ashwin thanks :) I plan to get one for Jan hopefully or at least figure things out by then. Am already designing a new logo and trying to see what sections can cover Indic reports+GLAM+outreach and more. If you have categories in mind, post on talk page or let's take this on private mail. I will need help editing maybe and i suck at using templates etc. Would be glad if you could help with it. :) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I fail to understand what this has to do with GLAM. Unless ofcourse, Noopur can run a section on GLAM on WikiPatrika ... On 12/14/11, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pune hackathon scheduled 10-12 February 2012
Thanks Sumana, This is a great news for many techno-aspirants, there are many students who are quite interested in the MediaWiki developments rather than WP editing. Hope to see many Indic language developers and translators there :) regards Subha On 14 December 2011 22:54, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: You are invited to the Pune Wikimedia hackathon. Date: 10-12 February 2012 Venue: Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies Research (SICSR) at Symbiosis International University, Pune Extremely rough event page, soon to get more details: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012 A Wikimedia hackathon is a chance to learn how to develop using MediaWiki, Phonegap, and our other technologies, and to work alongside experts. Software engineers, designers, and translators are welcome. We're tentatively planning to focus on internationalisation and localisation, mobile and offline Wikipedia access, and the gadgets framework. I aim to get more details in the next two weeks. If you're interested, please leave your name and your email address, or a link to your user page, on that event page. (A real registration system is coming soon.) Thanks! And please feel free to publicize this elsewhere. I've heard that, when marketing, you have to get the message to the recipient three times in three different ways before you have a good chance they've noticed it. So if you need something to help get the word out -- a sample tweet/dent, a leaflet, etc. -- let me know. Thanks! -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- * ସୁ ଭ * *S u b h a * *ଓଡ଼ିଆଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ* *O d i a W i k i M a i l i n g l i s t*https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or http://facebook.com/subhashishp http://twitter.com/subhashishphttp://or.wikipedia.org ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
hi, Stuff from libraries and archives go onto WikiSource. I read/heard/saw somewhere that they're having a hard time monitoring docs uploaded there. Not sure if it needs monitoring for copyvio etc. So, a WikiSource person or encouraging a WikiSource person to do and learn more would be a welcome addition. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Pradeep, my thoughts exactly. The Commons would be the most utilised project due to GLAM, and I think we should ask Yann, who is an admin. Also, I'm curious to what role WikiSource would play here, especially in India. On 12/14/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, GLAM contributions will impact contributions to Wikipedia sister projects like Commons and WikiSource. Would love if people active on these projects would come forward and share how such uploads from GLAM would need to be moderated, etc. Would love to hear more from someone who's onto WikiSource, especially. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: @ashwin thanks :) I plan to get one for Jan hopefully or at least figure things out by then. Am already designing a new logo and trying to see what sections can cover Indic reports+GLAM+outreach and more. If you have categories in mind, post on talk page or let's take this on private mail. I will need help editing maybe and i suck at using templates etc. Would be glad if you could help with it. :) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I fail to understand what this has to do with GLAM. Unless ofcourse, Noopur can run a section on GLAM on WikiPatrika ... On 12/14/11, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pune hackathon scheduled 10-12 February 2012
Forgive me for this silly question, but will there be any session on adapting WebFonts on the mobile site? On 12/14/11, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Sumana, This is a great news for many techno-aspirants, there are many students who are quite interested in the MediaWiki developments rather than WP editing. Hope to see many Indic language developers and translators there :) regards Subha On 14 December 2011 22:54, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: You are invited to the Pune Wikimedia hackathon. Date: 10-12 February 2012 Venue: Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies Research (SICSR) at Symbiosis International University, Pune Extremely rough event page, soon to get more details: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012 A Wikimedia hackathon is a chance to learn how to develop using MediaWiki, Phonegap, and our other technologies, and to work alongside experts. Software engineers, designers, and translators are welcome. We're tentatively planning to focus on internationalisation and localisation, mobile and offline Wikipedia access, and the gadgets framework. I aim to get more details in the next two weeks. If you're interested, please leave your name and your email address, or a link to your user page, on that event page. (A real registration system is coming soon.) Thanks! And please feel free to publicize this elsewhere. I've heard that, when marketing, you have to get the message to the recipient three times in three different ways before you have a good chance they've noticed it. So if you need something to help get the word out -- a sample tweet/dent, a leaflet, etc. -- let me know. Thanks! -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- * ସୁ ଭ * *S u b h a * *ଓଡ଼ିଆଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ* *O d i a W i k i M a i l i n g l i s t*https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or http://facebook.com/subhashishp http://twitter.com/subhashishphttp://or.wikipedia.org -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please add Sanskrit 2003 web font to Sanskrit Wikipedia
Sadly, I am still collaborating with people who understand technology better than me to correct recent problems with Lohit and Utkal as webfonts and occupied with other work as well, Thanks Srikanth, but bot being able to help as my lack of expertise in technicality. The WebFont is just launched, I think a couple of other fonts will soon be candidates to be used for Devanagari based WPs. rgds Subha On 14 December 2011 22:53, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.comwrote: Err, Subhashish of Odia has considerable experience in designing fonts. Perhaps, he could help out. On 12/14/11, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 20:16, ePandit | ई-पण्डित sharma.shr...@gmail.comwrote: I just saw that web fonts facility have been added to Indic wikis. On Hindi and Sanskrit wikipedia, there are Lohit Devanagari and Samyak Devanagari fonts. I request to add Sanskrit 2003 http://hi.wikipedia.org/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A5%A8%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A9 web font to Sanskrit wikipedia (and if possible to other Devanagari script based wikis) because it is the best Unicode font to display Sanskrit text. It is also free, so there is no problem to use it for this purpose. As far as I could check, it is not a freely licensed font. They are only free for personal use. I could not find a clear license statement for it though, If you could find it, please point it to us. If its freely licensed, please file a bug request here[1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=WebFonts -- Regards Srikanth.L -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- * ସୁ ଭ * *S u b h a * *ଓଡ଼ିଆଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ* *O d i a W i k i M a i l i n g l i s t*https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or http://facebook.com/subhashishp http://twitter.com/subhashishphttp://or.wikipedia.org ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Report on WikiKovai meet 1.
Heya, this just struck me. Arjuna mentioned to me that there was an Academy held in Coimbatore back in April 2011. Maybe, we could get guys from there to attend the next meetup, provided some experienced community member attends it. On 12/13/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the positive response guys. I'll try and arrange a meetup in the second week of January. Since the only two Wikipedians are out of town and it also will be Wikipedia Day, presence of a member of chapter or foundation would be welcome. On 12/13/11, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Very nice report. I hope to see more active wikipedians. And hope the community grows. You rock, Keep it up. Regards ansu * ଓଡ଼ିଆ ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ansumang On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Heya all, This should've come in elaier but didn't as my lab was shut. To Pradeep, who's been asking for two days, And Noopur, the only other Wikipedian who asked about this meet. Our meetup was held at the KG Inst. of Tech [KITE] who offered us an A/C presentation hall for this event. KITE, is a part of KG Information Systems Ltd, one of the city's most respected IT establishments. The meetup space was offered by Mr. Ashok Bkathavatsalam himself, the MD of KGISL, who in turn was told about this meet by Gautam John and Venkat Mangudi. Thanks you two. The meetup started at 11am. We had ~14-15 attendees, out of which 8 or 9 were part of ILUGC Pondy [Indian Linux User Group Puducherry]. One Wikipedian saw the link to the meetup on my signature on an online forum SkyScraperCity and came from Chennai. Bala Jeyaraman, aka Sodabottle joined me a few minutes into the meetup and it was him who spoke for the rest of the day. Pre lunch, we basically spoke on how and why the Wikipedia model worked, the principles of the project, with Bala using the age old debate of whether Coimbatore or Madurai was the second largest city in Tamil Nadu as an example for verifiability. Bala explained the ease of typing in Tamil, etc. Post lunch, we were joined by two faculty members of KITE, while Mr. Ashok himself stepped in. Interestingly, he himself has an account on the English Wikipedia and contributes too. The meetup ended at around 4, we took a few photos. I shall ask Prasanna to upload them soon. It was a success, there were three existing Wikipedians, and the rest were interested newcomers. I wouldn't call it an academy though. We've not scheduled a meetup for January yet, as the most probable date is 15th Jan [Wikipedia Day] because both Bala and I won't be in town. If anyone from the chapter/foundation can help lead it, I can get people to attend and myself attend virtually thru Skype or so from Kakinada. Comments, suggestions most welcome. All brickbats my way, bouquets to Bala please. -- -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Sathyamangalam-Gobichettipalayam Star Gazers My Commons uploads, now exceeding 75. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Rsrikanth05 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please add Sanskrit 2003 web font to Sanskrit Wikipedia
Subha, perhaps you could still help out in the testing. Especially in Odia. On 12/14/11, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: Sadly, I am still collaborating with people who understand technology better than me to correct recent problems with Lohit and Utkal as webfonts and occupied with other work as well, Thanks Srikanth, but bot being able to help as my lack of expertise in technicality. The WebFont is just launched, I think a couple of other fonts will soon be candidates to be used for Devanagari based WPs. rgds Subha On 14 December 2011 22:53, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.comwrote: Err, Subhashish of Odia has considerable experience in designing fonts. Perhaps, he could help out. On 12/14/11, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 20:16, ePandit | ई-पण्डित sharma.shr...@gmail.comwrote: I just saw that web fonts facility have been added to Indic wikis. On Hindi and Sanskrit wikipedia, there are Lohit Devanagari and Samyak Devanagari fonts. I request to add Sanskrit 2003 http://hi.wikipedia.org/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A5%A8%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A9 web font to Sanskrit wikipedia (and if possible to other Devanagari script based wikis) because it is the best Unicode font to display Sanskrit text. It is also free, so there is no problem to use it for this purpose. As far as I could check, it is not a freely licensed font. They are only free for personal use. I could not find a clear license statement for it though, If you could find it, please point it to us. If its freely licensed, please file a bug request here[1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=WebFonts -- Regards Srikanth.L -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- * ସୁ ଭ * *S u b h a * *ଓଡ଼ିଆଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ* *O d i a W i k i M a i l i n g l i s t*https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or http://facebook.com/subhashishp http://twitter.com/subhashishphttp://or.wikipedia.org -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] OT FOSS assist WAS Re: Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Vickram, your tone makes it look like everything is our fault. We cannot switch over to Firefox/Linux for one simple reason. Most students here are from a Rural background and won't be able to adjust to new stuff. They had a tough time adjusting from Windows 7 to XP when the rollback was done due to issues with Turbo C++ and Microsoft COBOL compiler. There's no question of fault, and no need to take it that way. Every journey needs that first step. However, your doubts have been addressed in many different scenarios before, and really comes across more as FUD than likely reality. You will probably be surprised. Having said which, it is entirely possible that there are no FOSS service agencies in your area, who could walk you (ie the college, details depending on how the upgrade is mutually planned) through it. If you can describe where the college is, perhaps the right persons can get in touch, and if this does not work out, then you have the status quo in any case. As a bonus, most machines that today run XP were designed a while back, and it is very possible that the switch will come with tangible efficiency benefits. -- On 12/13/11, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com: Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college or other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never mind antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are prepared to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will get reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully result in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services. *ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that they should do it. While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .) -- Amir E. Aharoni ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please add Sanskrit 2003 web font to Sanskrit Wikipedia
Hmm, I'll help in reporting bugs if found any.. On 14 December 2011 23:14, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.comwrote: Subha, perhaps you could still help out in the testing. Especially in Odia. On 12/14/11, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: Sadly, I am still collaborating with people who understand technology better than me to correct recent problems with Lohit and Utkal as webfonts and occupied with other work as well, Thanks Srikanth, but bot being able to help as my lack of expertise in technicality. The WebFont is just launched, I think a couple of other fonts will soon be candidates to be used for Devanagari based WPs. rgds Subha On 14 December 2011 22:53, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.comwrote: Err, Subhashish of Odia has considerable experience in designing fonts. Perhaps, he could help out. On 12/14/11, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 20:16, ePandit | ई-पण्डित sharma.shr...@gmail.comwrote: I just saw that web fonts facility have been added to Indic wikis. On Hindi and Sanskrit wikipedia, there are Lohit Devanagari and Samyak Devanagari fonts. I request to add Sanskrit 2003 http://hi.wikipedia.org/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A5%A8%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A9 web font to Sanskrit wikipedia (and if possible to other Devanagari script based wikis) because it is the best Unicode font to display Sanskrit text. It is also free, so there is no problem to use it for this purpose. As far as I could check, it is not a freely licensed font. They are only free for personal use. I could not find a clear license statement for it though, If you could find it, please point it to us. If its freely licensed, please file a bug request here[1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=WebFonts -- Regards Srikanth.L -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- * ସୁ ଭ * *S u b h a * *ଓଡ଼ିଆଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ* *O d i a W i k i M a i l i n g l i s t*https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or http://facebook.com/subhashishp http://twitter.com/subhashishphttp://or.wikipedia.org -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- * ସୁ ଭ * *S u b h a * *ଓଡ଼ିଆଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ* *O d i a W i k i M a i l i n g l i s t*https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or http://facebook.com/subhashishp http://twitter.com/subhashishphttp://or.wikipedia.org ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
Pradeep, thanks. I forgot that the L stood for Libraries. Thanks. According to me. G- Commons, Wikipedia. L- Wikisource. A- Commons, Wikipedia, Wikisource. M- Commons, Wikipedia. Am I right? These are just indicative as to what element of GLAM joins which project. On 12/14/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Stuff from libraries and archives go onto WikiSource. I read/heard/saw somewhere that they're having a hard time monitoring docs uploaded there. Not sure if it needs monitoring for copyvio etc. So, a WikiSource person or encouraging a WikiSource person to do and learn more would be a welcome addition. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Pradeep, my thoughts exactly. The Commons would be the most utilised project due to GLAM, and I think we should ask Yann, who is an admin. Also, I'm curious to what role WikiSource would play here, especially in India. On 12/14/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, GLAM contributions will impact contributions to Wikipedia sister projects like Commons and WikiSource. Would love if people active on these projects would come forward and share how such uploads from GLAM would need to be moderated, etc. Would love to hear more from someone who's onto WikiSource, especially. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: @ashwin thanks :) I plan to get one for Jan hopefully or at least figure things out by then. Am already designing a new logo and trying to see what sections can cover Indic reports+GLAM+outreach and more. If you have categories in mind, post on talk page or let's take this on private mail. I will need help editing maybe and i suck at using templates etc. Would be glad if you could help with it. :) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I fail to understand what this has to do with GLAM. Unless ofcourse, Noopur can run a section on GLAM on WikiPatrika ... On 12/14/11, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
Hi, Due to my ongoing wikihiatus, I haven't followed much of discussions in this list. But, I'm interested in this issue because I was following and supporting the original request filed by User:SanthoshGuru asking for such a support in 2005.[1] While I welcome the recent energy in building and launching solutions for Indic languages by WMF. However, like Srikanth and Bala have mentioned, we should ensure that we don't break the experience of thousands of readers visiting the wikis everyday. The situation is very different now than in 2005. So, let us take care to test every new launch tested out in translatewiki before rolling out. We can perhaps create a rollout routine to include a thumbs-up from some community volunteers. Regards, Sundar [1] - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2361 That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:17 PM Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects Hi all, Pardon for a long mail, just unavoidable. We have seen the WebFonts roll out[0] last night to most Indic wikis except Malayalam and Tamil. We in Tamil Community felt WebFonts extension is just not ready for us. We would like to share on why we in Tamil community didnt chose webfonts and also what could work better in future for Indic communities during technology adoption. 1. Unavailability of Quality Free fonts :- During the development, our request for not setting the default font as a lower quality font was rejected citing it will defeat the purpose of extension.[1] The available fonts had issues and deploying the extension with those low quality fonts to everyone would not only defeat the purpose of extension, but also gives Tamil Wikipedia a bad image when people just cant read the fonts even though they had better fonts in system. (Just like how i18n team says people who see boxes will just simply close the window, we say giving these poor fonts will also lead to same thing and not help the cause, instead will also hurt those who have better fonts.). 2. Quality of User Experience :- We are a smaller wiki, we have a smaller reader base, but still we are ranked 7th most visited website in Tamil according to alexa[2]. Just like how no-nonsense / no-mediocrity is tolerated in any code that enters WMF cluster, any change which will affect the site's look and feel, user experience will have to be of highest standards and must be accepted by community. WebFonts were just not ready to enter Wikipedia, since it changes the UX for all the readers to help a potentially lower number of users who dont have Tamil fonts than the current existing reader base. What we feel was wrong in WebFonts deployment We have also been seeing the wikis where they have been rolled out and reporting issues. We ourselves are reporting issues inspite of not taking WebFonts, with the hope software just gets better and some day we can deploy them. Dont get us wrong, we are not against technology, we just need it in better form and are not in any urgency. (After all we at Ta wiki initiated an RFC and asked Webfonts even before the announcement was made). We would also like to mention some points which we feel i18n team could have done better for a smoother launch. 1. Font Testing :- The point of language support team is that the people who are aware of language give feedback to make any software better supported for the language. We are not sure if Font-Testing was ever done at all for those languages where the WebFonts were deployed. The hinting issue which was a concern and made us raise against deployment in Tamil is also present in Hindi,Sanskrit,Telugu(atleast till we saw) and gave the same worst readability. The i18n team did font assessment[3], testing only 1 word to test the font. Can any font be tested with just rendering of 4 characters / 1 word? For Tamil,we did a test in little more comprehensive way(We would not say its complete)[4]. This should have been a *must* to see rendering / font issues with chosen default font especially since the fonts are being set default to every single user to the site. Sadly community was involved the least, a note was posted in Village pumps and we dont think community involved itself in any testing and poor quality was eventually pushed without proper testing. 2. Real world testing :- Though cross browser testing was done, there was a severe lack of real world testing and as a result we are seeing a host of issues being discovered post launch. Average PC in India might have 1 GB RAM, Firefox 3 / 4, worse IE 5.5 / IE6 on 100 Kbps
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
hi, Well, L could reach WikiSource (old books?), WikiQuotes, Wikictionary (difficult, tho). Better to keep all options open. Also, all the Indic stuff would go on the Indic version of the respective projects. So, a Malayalam wikisource or a Marathi Wikisource other than just English. Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Pradeep, thanks. I forgot that the L stood for Libraries. Thanks. According to me. G- Commons, Wikipedia. L- Wikisource. A- Commons, Wikipedia, Wikisource. M- Commons, Wikipedia. Am I right? These are just indicative as to what element of GLAM joins which project. On 12/14/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Stuff from libraries and archives go onto WikiSource. I read/heard/saw somewhere that they're having a hard time monitoring docs uploaded there. Not sure if it needs monitoring for copyvio etc. So, a WikiSource person or encouraging a WikiSource person to do and learn more would be a welcome addition. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Pradeep, my thoughts exactly. The Commons would be the most utilised project due to GLAM, and I think we should ask Yann, who is an admin. Also, I'm curious to what role WikiSource would play here, especially in India. On 12/14/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, GLAM contributions will impact contributions to Wikipedia sister projects like Commons and WikiSource. Would love if people active on these projects would come forward and share how such uploads from GLAM would need to be moderated, etc. Would love to hear more from someone who's onto WikiSource, especially. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: @ashwin thanks :) I plan to get one for Jan hopefully or at least figure things out by then. Am already designing a new logo and trying to see what sections can cover Indic reports+GLAM+outreach and more. If you have categories in mind, post on talk page or let's take this on private mail. I will need help editing maybe and i suck at using templates etc. Would be glad if you could help with it. :) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I fail to understand what this has to do with GLAM. Unless ofcourse, Noopur can run a section on GLAM on WikiPatrika ... On 12/14/11, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
Hi all, Just cross-posting a note from Siebrand that he just sent out [1]. Everyone is working on the same goals here. I encourage continued partnership and efforts to find ways to work around some of the problems lists on this thread (including implementation of some of the solutions listed on this thread too). The challenges of improving the experience for readers and editors in many Indic languages that are not well supported by the current powerhouses of the internet is huge...but doable, if we continue to work together. [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-December/056966.html Best, Barry On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:53 AM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi, Due to my ongoing wikihiatus, I haven't followed much of discussions in this list. But, I'm interested in this issue because I was following and supporting the original request filed by User:SanthoshGuru asking for such a support in 2005.[1] While I welcome the recent energy in building and launching solutions for Indic languages by WMF. However, like Srikanth and Bala have mentioned, we should ensure that we don't break the experience of thousands of readers visiting the wikis everyday. The situation is very different now than in 2005. So, let us take care to test every new launch tested out in translatewiki before rolling out. We can perhaps create a rollout routine to include a thumbs-up from some community volunteers. Regards, Sundar [1] - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2361 That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture -- *From:* Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com *To:* Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:17 PM *Subject:* [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects Hi all, Pardon for a long mail, just unavoidable. We have seen the WebFonts roll out[0] last night to most Indic wikis except Malayalam and Tamil. We in Tamil Community felt WebFonts extension is just not ready for us. We would like to share on why we in Tamil community didnt chose webfonts and also what could work better in future for Indic communities during technology adoption. 1. *Unavailability of Quality Free fonts* :- During the development, our request for not setting the default font as a lower quality font was rejected citing it will defeat the purpose of extension.[1] The available fonts had issues and deploying the extension with those low quality fonts to everyone would not only defeat the purpose of extension, but also gives Tamil Wikipedia a bad image when people just cant read the fonts even though they had better fonts in system. (Just like how i18n team says people who see boxes will just simply close the window, we say giving these poor fonts will also lead to same thing and not help the cause, instead will also hurt those who have better fonts.). 2. *Quality of User Experience* :- We are a smaller wiki, we have a smaller reader base, but still we are ranked 7th most visited website in Tamil according to alexa[2]. Just like how no-nonsense / no-mediocrity is tolerated in any code that enters WMF cluster, any change which will affect the site's look and feel, user experience will have to be of highest standards and must be accepted by community. WebFonts were just not ready to enter Wikipedia, since it changes the UX for all the readers to help a potentially lower number of users who dont have Tamil fonts than the current existing reader base. *What we feel was wrong in WebFonts deployment* We have also been seeing the wikis where they have been rolled out and reporting issues. We ourselves are reporting issues inspite of not taking WebFonts, with the hope software just gets better and some day we can deploy them. Dont get us wrong, we are not against technology, we just need it in better form and are not in any urgency. (After all we at Ta wiki initiated an RFC and asked Webfonts even before the announcement was made). We would also like to mention some points which we feel i18n team could have done better for a smoother launch. 1. *Font Testing* :- The point of language support team is that the people who are aware of language give feedback to make any software better supported for the language. We are not sure if Font-Testing was ever done at all for those languages where the WebFonts were deployed. The hinting issue which was a concern and made us raise against deployment in Tamil is also present in Hindi,Sanskrit,Telugu(atleast till we saw) and gave the same worst readability. The i18n team did font assessment[3], testing only 1 word to test the font. Can any font be tested with just rendering of 4 characters / 1 word? For Tamil,we did a
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] OT FOSS assist WAS Re: Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
1. My college won't change. I've tried. 2. The nearest FOSS gang is at Coimbatore, two of them attended our meetup last week. There is none in Sathyamangalam. 3. My lab admin has agreed to do a trial run for Linux, but only on a few systems. 4. Why are we talking about FOSS here? I'm sorry, I started this big mess. On 12/14/11, Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Vickram, your tone makes it look like everything is our fault. We cannot switch over to Firefox/Linux for one simple reason. Most students here are from a Rural background and won't be able to adjust to new stuff. They had a tough time adjusting from Windows 7 to XP when the rollback was done due to issues with Turbo C++ and Microsoft COBOL compiler. There's no question of fault, and no need to take it that way. Every journey needs that first step. However, your doubts have been addressed in many different scenarios before, and really comes across more as FUD than likely reality. You will probably be surprised. Having said which, it is entirely possible that there are no FOSS service agencies in your area, who could walk you (ie the college, details depending on how the upgrade is mutually planned) through it. If you can describe where the college is, perhaps the right persons can get in touch, and if this does not work out, then you have the status quo in any case. As a bonus, most machines that today run XP were designed a while back, and it is very possible that the switch will come with tangible efficiency benefits. -- On 12/13/11, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com: Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college or other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never mind antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are prepared to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will get reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully result in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services. *ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that they should do it. While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .) -- Amir E. Aharoni ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Report on WebFonts deployment available
Dear all, A report on the recent WebFonts deployment to 39 Indic language wikis at Wikimedia is available. Please read it at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2011-December/000359.html. It's rather lengthy; there was a lot to be said. I'm trying to take away the technical discussion from this list, because I think it should really be a global discussion in the right forum. By all means, please continue discussions on one of the following two mailing lists. I'm looking forward to your input. For those interested in MediaWiki development within Wikimedia, please subscribe to wikitech-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l For those interested in (technical) language support development in MediaWiki, please subscribe to mediawiki-i18n: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] OT FOSS assist WAS Re: Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
I didn't get the feeling that Vickram is saying that it's your fault. It's not possible and not desirable to force everybody to switch to a different browser. It is possible, however, to educate people about having a choice. That's what FOSS activism is about and that's how i understand Vickram's suggestion. Why is FOSS activism relevant in this discussion, you ask? Not just because the Wikimedia movement is very strongly related to FOSS, but because in this case FOSS technologies provide a tangible benefit - the ability to use Indic fonts. And FOSS relies on word-of-mouth promotion and activism rather than on marketing professionals. Moving from IE to Firefox is much easier than moving between operating systems or compilers. Millions of people wouldn't imagine moving from Windows to Linux, but can easily move to Firefox. Both Firefox and IE can be installed side-by-side and the presence of a different browser doesn't require any more maintenance. And if the people don't like Firefox despite its better font support, they can always move back to IE with zero effort. (In general, everything i say about Firefox applies to Google Chrome/Chromium, too - it's open source, modern and standards-compliant. However, for the particular issue of fonts Firefox is better - from my experience Chrome has more bugs in this field.) 2011/12/14 Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com: Vickram, your tone makes it look like everything is our fault. We cannot switch over to Firefox/Linux for one simple reason. Most students here are from a Rural background and won't be able to adjust to new stuff. They had a tough time adjusting from Windows 7 to XP when the rollback was done due to issues with Turbo C++ and Microsoft COBOL compiler. -- On 12/13/11, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com: Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college or other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never mind antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are prepared to take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's commitment to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I shan't mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will get reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully result in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a local FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services. *ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but education is a major priority It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that they should do it. While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .) -- Amir E. Aharoni ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pune hackathon scheduled 10-12 February 2012
Hi Srikanth, On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Forgive me for this silly question, but will there be any session on adapting WebFonts on the mobile site? Why would that be a silly question? We have only just announced the event, as soon as possible, without have a detailed schedule or topic overview. Nothing potentially relevant is off the table beforehand, though, so please stay tuned! In about an hour we have the WMF internal kickoff, and I hope we will be able to communicate some topics before the year ends. No guarantees though, because I'll probably not be the project manager of the hackathon ;). -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please add Sanskrit 2003 web font to Sanskrit Wikipedia
In that case please add Sidhanta font to Sanskrit wikipedia, it has most feature rich font for Sanskrit. (Sanskrit 2003 is better in display) http://svayambhava.org/index.php/en/sanskrit/fonts Also it is clearly stated that it can be used as a web font. *Siddhnata font software (including font variations and Vaidika IME) is published under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/. Its Latin and Cyrillic glyph sets (based on DejaVu font can be used according to free license http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/index.php?title=License. Siddhanta can be used as a web font. * 2011/12/14 Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 20:16, ePandit | ई-पण्डित sharma.shr...@gmail.com wrote: I just saw that web fonts facility have been added to Indic wikis. On Hindi and Sanskrit wikipedia, there are Lohit Devanagari and Samyak Devanagari fonts. I request to add Sanskrit 2003http://hi.wikipedia.org/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A5%A8%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A9web font to Sanskrit wikipedia (and if possible to other Devanagari script based wikis) because it is the best Unicode font to display Sanskrit text. It is also free, so there is no problem to use it for this purpose. As far as I could check, it is not a freely licensed font. They are only free for personal use. I could not find a clear license statement for it though, If you could find it, please point it to us. If its freely licensed, please file a bug request here[1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=WebFonts -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- *Shrish Benjwal Sharma* *(श्रीश बेंजवाल शर्मा http://hindi.shrish.in)* ~~~ *If u can't beat them, join them.* ePandit http://epandit.shrish.in/:* *http://epandit.shrish.in/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
Hey everyone, As Noopur said GLAM and outreach cannot be seperated, +1 to it. Also wanted to share with you guys that the outreach event and workshop I am organising in February in MS University Baroda, the organizers from the city were amazed to know what Commons is and how wikipedia and other project get images and media from it. So they have asked me to come up with an event specially targeting photographers. Thus am planning for Wikipedia takes Baroda though at much smaller scale than scavenger hunt which has happened in other countries till now. Please give your inputs on it. And Noopur I ll get in touch with you offline regarding it. Thanks. On 12/14/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Well, L could reach WikiSource (old books?), WikiQuotes, Wikictionary (difficult, tho). Better to keep all options open. Also, all the Indic stuff would go on the Indic version of the respective projects. So, a Malayalam wikisource or a Marathi Wikisource other than just English. Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Pradeep, thanks. I forgot that the L stood for Libraries. Thanks. According to me. G- Commons, Wikipedia. L- Wikisource. A- Commons, Wikipedia, Wikisource. M- Commons, Wikipedia. Am I right? These are just indicative as to what element of GLAM joins which project. On 12/14/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Stuff from libraries and archives go onto WikiSource. I read/heard/saw somewhere that they're having a hard time monitoring docs uploaded there. Not sure if it needs monitoring for copyvio etc. So, a WikiSource person or encouraging a WikiSource person to do and learn more would be a welcome addition. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Pradeep, my thoughts exactly. The Commons would be the most utilised project due to GLAM, and I think we should ask Yann, who is an admin. Also, I'm curious to what role WikiSource would play here, especially in India. On 12/14/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, GLAM contributions will impact contributions to Wikipedia sister projects like Commons and WikiSource. Would love if people active on these projects would come forward and share how such uploads from GLAM would need to be moderated, etc. Would love to hear more from someone who's onto WikiSource, especially. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 14/12/2011, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: @ashwin thanks :) I plan to get one for Jan hopefully or at least figure things out by then. Am already designing a new logo and trying to see what sections can cover Indic reports+GLAM+outreach and more. If you have categories in mind, post on talk page or let's take this on private mail. I will need help editing maybe and i suck at using templates etc. Would be glad if you could help with it. :) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I fail to understand what this has to do with GLAM. Unless ofcourse, Noopur can run a section on GLAM on WikiPatrika ... On 12/14/11, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: * I can volunteer to make a newsletter! * Warmly Noopur Dear Noopur, This project was well begun but came to a dead halt! No one to blame. With a versatile person like Tinu handling so much, something was bound to come to a stop. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika The next issue is of November but going nowhere - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiPatrika/2011-11 I suggest you try to get one out in Feb and two months after that and so forth. Please rest assured on my support for - * op-ed * tips 'n tricks * English Wikipedia report Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2011-December/000361.html In order to force them, if you don't test this it may break horribly for you when deployed seems way more convincing than no new goodies for you. This attitude of i18n is not only very dangerous for the communities and languages but also very unprofessional. Please read that mail once again, this was a response by Platonides(not an i18n team member) to the comment by Srikanth L . Srikanth said: If people are not interested to join them, they must be forced to join them(by way of not supporting them/ deploying any component for the language) so as to provide better support. And now you are saying that it is the attitude of i18n and calling it dangerous and unprofessional! Wonderful Ravishankar. . Nothing that breaks horrible must ever be deployed. We safeguarded Tamil(Malayalam folks did theirs too), we frankly didnt care much for others before the launch. Srikanth, While I really appreciate the efforts you and Bala did with the testing and reporting bugs, this kind of comments really disappoint us. You are aware that the we were working round the clock to fix all the bugs within hours and we wrote the complete details in report. Safeguarding from a horrible deployment? Could you please stop exaggerating things? We did expect bugs when we do this kind of large scale deployment with too many languages, browsers, operating systems and we addressed each of the bugs within hours. Some of these bugs can be only detected when we expose the tool to a larger audience. You are aware of that. All the open bugs now present are are not in our control - Browser bugs and Fonts bug, we disabled them for time being. Please be constructive and help us as you were doing. We deserve some appreciation for what we are doing. -Santhosh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
* Safeguarding from a horrible deployment? Could you please stop exaggerating things? * Try deploying this kind of code to english wikipedia and you will find out our response is extremely mild. A website that is getting million page views shouldnt be used as a live test bed for a mandatory default feature. We have been boasting that wikipedia are among the top 5 websites in the world. Try rolling out this kind of code in any of the top 100 websites as a mandatory default feature and see what happens. *Please be constructive and help us as you were doing* So stating the truth is being unconstructive?. You could have rolled this out in phases or as a dark launch as you are contemplating now, done more testing and saved us all this bitterness and trouble. Instead you decided to go live on a massive scale without adequate testing in live environment being accessed by millions of people everyday. What kind of reaction did your expect?. I could have been content with stopping the Tamil deployment and went on with my work. Instead i have spent nearly 20 hours testing other languages so that this tool gets better. Remember i am a volunteer, taking time off from my day job to test your code - something you should have done as part your professional work. On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2011-December/000361.html In order to force them, if you don't test this it may break horribly for you when deployed seems way more convincing than no new goodies for you. This attitude of i18n is not only very dangerous for the communities and languages but also very unprofessional. Please read that mail once again, this was a response by Platonides(not an i18n team member) to the comment by Srikanth L . Srikanth said: If people are not interested to join them, they must be forced to join them(by way of not supporting them/ deploying any component for the language) so as to provide better support. And now you are saying that it is the attitude of i18n and calling it dangerous and unprofessional! Wonderful Ravishankar. . Nothing that breaks horrible must ever be deployed. We safeguarded Tamil(Malayalam folks did theirs too), we frankly didnt care much for others before the launch. Srikanth, While I really appreciate the efforts you and Bala did with the testing and reporting bugs, this kind of comments really disappoint us. You are aware that the we were working round the clock to fix all the bugs within hours and we wrote the complete details in report. Safeguarding from a horrible deployment? Could you please stop exaggerating things? We did expect bugs when we do this kind of large scale deployment with too many languages, browsers, operating systems and we addressed each of the bugs within hours. Some of these bugs can be only detected when we expose the tool to a larger audience. You are aware of that. All the open bugs now present are are not in our control - Browser bugs and Fonts bug, we disabled them for time being. Please be constructive and help us as you were doing. We deserve some appreciation for what we are doing. -Santhosh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please add Sanskrit 2003 web font to Sanskrit Wikipedia
Either of NonCommercial and NoDerivs clauses in the license make it invalid for usage in Wikimedia projects, because they limit the usage of the font. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2011/12/15 ePandit | ई-पण्डित sharma.shr...@gmail.com: In that case please add Sidhanta font to Sanskrit wikipedia, it has most feature rich font for Sanskrit. (Sanskrit 2003 is better in display) http://svayambhava.org/index.php/en/sanskrit/fonts Also it is clearly stated that it can be used as a web font. Siddhnata font software (including font variations and Vaidika IME) is published under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License. Its Latin and Cyrillic glyph sets (based on DejaVu font can be used according to free license. Siddhanta can be used as a web font. 2011/12/14 Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 20:16, ePandit | ई-पण्डित sharma.shr...@gmail.com wrote: I just saw that web fonts facility have been added to Indic wikis. On Hindi and Sanskrit wikipedia, there are Lohit Devanagari and Samyak Devanagari fonts. I request to add Sanskrit 2003 web font to Sanskrit wikipedia (and if possible to other Devanagari script based wikis) because it is the best Unicode font to display Sanskrit text. It is also free, so there is no problem to use it for this purpose. As far as I could check, it is not a freely licensed font. They are only free for personal use. I could not find a clear license statement for it though, If you could find it, please point it to us. If its freely licensed, please file a bug request here[1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=WebFonts -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Shrish Benjwal Sharma (श्रीश बेंजवाल शर्मा) ~~~ If u can't beat them, join them. ePandit: http://epandit.shrish.in/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
Everyone is working on the same goals here. I encourage continued partnership and efforts to find ways to work around some of the problems lists on this thread (including implementation of some of the solutions listed on this thread too). The challenges of improving the experience for readers and editors in many Indic languages that are not well supported by the current powerhouses of the internet is huge...but doable, if we continue to work together. Sure Barry. I do agree. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects Hi all, Just cross-posting a note from Siebrand that he just sent out [1]. Everyone is working on the same goals here. I encourage continued partnership and efforts to find ways to work around some of the problems lists on this thread (including implementation of some of the solutions listed on this thread too). The challenges of improving the experience for readers and editors in many Indic languages that are not well supported by the current powerhouses of the internet is huge...but doable, if we continue to work together. [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-December/056966.html Best, Barry On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:53 AM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Due to my ongoing wikihiatus, I haven't followed much of discussions in this list. But, I'm interested in this issue because I was following and supporting the original request filed by User:SanthoshGuru asking for such a support in 2005.[1] While I welcome the recent energy in building and launching solutions for Indic languages by WMF. However, like Srikanth and Bala have mentioned, we should ensure that we don't break the experience of thousands of readers visiting the wikis everyday. The situation is very different now than in 2005. So, let us take care to test every new launch tested out in translatewiki before rolling out. We can perhaps create a rollout routine to include a thumbs-up from some community volunteers. Regards, Sundar [1] - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2361 That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:17 PM Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects Hi all, Pardon for a long mail, just unavoidable. We have seen the WebFonts roll out[0] last night to most Indic wikis except Malayalam and Tamil. We in Tamil Community felt WebFonts extension is just not ready for us. We would like to share on why we in Tamil community didnt chose webfonts and also what could work better in future for Indic communities during technology adoption. 1. Unavailability of Quality Free fonts :- During the development, our request for not setting the default font as a lower quality font was rejected citing it will defeat the purpose of extension.[1] The available fonts had issues and deploying the extension with those low quality fonts to everyone would not only defeat the purpose of extension, but also gives Tamil Wikipedia a bad image when people just cant read the fonts even though they had better fonts in system. (Just like how i18n team says people who see boxes will just simply close the window, we say giving these poor fonts will also lead to same thing and not help the cause, instead will also hurt those who have better fonts.). 2. Quality of User Experience :- We are a smaller wiki, we have a smaller reader base, but still we are ranked 7th most visited website in Tamil according to alexa[2]. Just like how no-nonsense / no-mediocrity is tolerated in any code that enters WMF cluster, any change which will affect the site's look and feel, user experience will have to be of highest standards and must be accepted by community. WebFonts were just not ready to enter Wikipedia, since it changes the UX for all the readers to help a potentially lower number of users who dont have Tamil fonts than the current existing reader base. What we feel was wrong in WebFonts deployment We have also been seeing the wikis where they have been rolled out and reporting issues. We ourselves are reporting issues inspite of not taking WebFonts, with the hope software just gets better and some day we can deploy
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote: So stating the truth is being unconstructive?. You could have rolled this out in phases or as a dark launch as you are contemplating now, done more testing and saved us all this bitterness and trouble. Instead you decided to go live on a massive scale without adequate testing in live environment being accessed by millions of people everyday. Although, the largest of the Indic language Wikipedias gets about 1/900th the traffic of English Wikipedia in traffic. [1] I think it's appropriate to be a bit more experimental at that scale. It remains to be seen whether we can get sufficient testing done via opt-in methods and dark launches, although I'm certainly strongly encouraging experimentation with both. Your comparison with top web properties is flawed alongside another dimension: no other top web property has to solve the kinds of problems we're trying to solve here with a staff of three internationalization developers, one product manager and no QA team (!). Although we're larger now than a year ago and the year before, and we're still adding engineers and support resources, we have lots of big problems to solve in parallel. We don't have the luxury of being able to do just one thing extremely well, much as we might want to. On the other hand, what makes Wikimedia unique is precisely the fact that we're all working together to continually improve and fix things. In the best case scenario, that's a happy partnership. And as you well know, folks like Santhosh, Siebrand, Gerard, Niklas and Amir have made tremendous contributions as volunteers, well before being on staff. So we should strive for being collegial and forgiving. I have a feeling that we'll all be doing this for a long time, so we might as well try to like each other. :-) I applaud the i18n team for being bold and pushing things forward, while also reflecting on the process at this opportune time. I'm also grateful to you, to Srikanth and others for being both supportive and critical voices along the process, and getting very involved to fix things. Improving language support is a huge, daunting undertaking. WMF is only one player in this and it'll require continued, joint effort from all fronts. All best, Erik [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN_India/ReportCardIndia.htm -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
*I have a feeling that we'll all be doing this for a long time, so we might as well try to like each other. :-)* Amen to that Erik :-). Me and Srikanth, very much want webfonts to improve, be expanded to mobile and make for an excellent UX . Thats the reason we are persisting in testing even though at times it feels we are butting our heads against a wall. *It remains to be seen whether we can get sufficient testing done via opt-in methods and dark launches, although I'm certainly strongly encouraging experimentation with both.* For Tamil, we think we have evolved a suitable balance to achieve this (apart from Siebrand's dark launch idea). A gradual - less active to more active wikiproject launch. (explained in the original mail). We adopted this after our first Narayam launch had to be rolled back due to bugs. It was a bit time consuming and took longer, but was iterative and extremely satisfactory On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote: So stating the truth is being unconstructive?. You could have rolled this out in phases or as a dark launch as you are contemplating now, done more testing and saved us all this bitterness and trouble. Instead you decided to go live on a massive scale without adequate testing in live environment being accessed by millions of people everyday. Although, the largest of the Indic language Wikipedias gets about 1/900th the traffic of English Wikipedia in traffic. [1] I think it's appropriate to be a bit more experimental at that scale. It remains to be seen whether we can get sufficient testing done via opt-in methods and dark launches, although I'm certainly strongly encouraging experimentation with both. Your comparison with top web properties is flawed alongside another dimension: no other top web property has to solve the kinds of problems we're trying to solve here with a staff of three internationalization developers, one product manager and no QA team (!). Although we're larger now than a year ago and the year before, and we're still adding engineers and support resources, we have lots of big problems to solve in parallel. We don't have the luxury of being able to do just one thing extremely well, much as we might want to. On the other hand, what makes Wikimedia unique is precisely the fact that we're all working together to continually improve and fix things. In the best case scenario, that's a happy partnership. And as you well know, folks like Santhosh, Siebrand, Gerard, Niklas and Amir have made tremendous contributions as volunteers, well before being on staff. So we should strive for being collegial and forgiving. I have a feeling that we'll all be doing this for a long time, so we might as well try to like each other. :-) I applaud the i18n team for being bold and pushing things forward, while also reflecting on the process at this opportune time. I'm also grateful to you, to Srikanth and others for being both supportive and critical voices along the process, and getting very involved to fix things. Improving language support is a huge, daunting undertaking. WMF is only one player in this and it'll require continued, joint effort from all fronts. All best, Erik [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN_India/ReportCardIndia.htm -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:52, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Although, the largest of the Indic language Wikipedias gets about 1/900th the traffic of English Wikipedia in traffic. [1] I think it's appropriate to be a bit more experimental at that scale. It remains to be seen whether we can get sufficient testing done via opt-in methods and dark launches, although I'm certainly strongly encouraging experimentation with both. I dont think its appropriate to be a bit more experimental. You are seeing the scale in absolute sense, we are seeing it in relative sense. Tamil Wikipedia is 7th most-viewed Tamil site. I will not agree if you say our comparison is flawed. We know that WebFonts is totally new technology area, WMF has limitations with fewer staff, we just commented what we felt could have been done better in current scenario only, with more involvement of community. I am sure all of us want to see better things and are focused to be constructive in changing things. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
Srikanth, //Wait, no one called us critics. I mentioned it myself, since people felt our mail as criticism. If giving critical feedback is being criticism, am happy to be critic.// Thanks for the clarification. Santhosh, //Platonides(not an i18n team member)// Thank you for the clarification and I am sorry for the misunderstanding. While I do appreciate the work done by i18n, I still hold to the comments I made after observing several issues. So, this is not a comment about this single issue. WMF needs better understanding of Indic languages and their WikiProjects (Worst understanding example here: http://matadornetwork.com/notebook/qa-with-wikipedia-programmer-brandon-harris/) and should involve the community in a better way. I do not understand the urgency to go live with the Web fonts program in such a massive scale when it was very well advised in advance that it has problems. Why break and fix later when we have other options? Erik, //Although, the largest of the Indic language Wikipedias gets about 1/900th the traffic of English Wikipedia in traffic. [1] I think it's appropriate to be a bit more experimental at that scale.// If Web fonts is good to go live as it is, could Santhosh convince the Malayalam community about it? Just because the other communities are not strong enough and technically capable, doesn't mean they can be experimented upon whatever their size be. People like Bala and Srikanth can be helpful only in a limited way and all the bugs can be tracked only when the native speakers are involved. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: I dont think its appropriate to be a bit more experimental. You are seeing the scale in absolute sense, we are seeing it in relative sense. Tamil Wikipedia is 7th most-viewed Tamil site. +1. Similar stats can be observed for most of the Indic language Wiki projects with sizable content as they are the only / major source of reference online for the respective languages. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
