Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic Wikisource own mailing list - the journey began

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Very good news Jayanta,

Thanks to all those who worked on setting it up.

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020, 09:52 Jayanta Nath,  wrote:

> Dear Indic Wikisource well-wishers,
>
> Indic Wikisource's own e-mail list [1] has launched Indic-Wikisource
> today. Since 2015, the lots of activities are going on  Indic Wikisource.
> So it will use for all Indic Wikisource related discussion
> announcements etc.  Presently, we have  12 Indian languages ( Assamese,
> Bengali, Kannada, Gujarati, Hindi, Marathi, Malayalam, Odia, Punjabi,
> Sanskrit, Tamil and Telugu) Wikisource and in future more will be added.
>
> I invite everyone who is interested to join this list.[1]  The necessary
> instructions in this regard, you can see this [2] link for details.
>
> Jayanta
>
> 1) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/indic-wikisource
> 2) http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node13.html
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Update about TTT selection

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi,

I heard that from Gujarati community also there has been only one selected,
while other languages have 2 or 3 participants. Selection criteria seem to
have changed during the process as the criteria listed on the event page on
meta do not include all that were shared in the latest announcement email.

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020, 09:44 Vishwanatha Badikana, 
wrote:

> What is going on the TTT Selection.  I don't want future TTT selection.
> The Kannada Community members depressed.  I think the selection committee
> have lot of politics.  Who are the selection committee?
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: subodh kulkarni 
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 22:14
> Subject: Update about TTT selection
> To:
>
>
> Dear applicant,
>
> We are thankful for showing interest to participate in TTT 2020. We are
> sorry to inform you that your application was not selected in the process.
> We value your contribution to the Wikimedia movement and looking forward
> to work with you in future.
>
> regards,
>
> Subodh Kulkarni
> on behalf of
> Centre for Internet & Society - Access to Knowledge Programme
>
>
> --
> *Dr. Vishwanatha Badikana*
>
> *Assistent Professor, Department of Kannada*
>
> *St. Aloysius College(Autonomous), Light House Hill, Mangalore - 575
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to see if there is some content on the talk page of any wikipage?

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Shrinivasan,

There is a visual indication of whether there is any content on talk page.
When you are on the article page, if you see talk page link in blue, it
means there is content on the page and if the talk page link is red, it
indicates that the page doesn't exist. Unless you want to start a
discussion and/or create a talk page you shouldn't be clicking on that.

Hope this helps. Questions like this, in future, could be asked on village
pump page of related wiki where local users could assist better.

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On Mon, 24 Feb 2020, 09:07 Shrinivasan T,  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> When we are browsing wikipedia or wikisource pages, how can we know
> that there are some content or discussion on the talk page, so that we
> can check them too.
>
> As a normal user, we have to click the talk page and check it.
> If there is no discussion, it takes to talk page creation.
>
> It will be good, if there are some visual identification, to inform
> that there are some content on talk page.
>
> Is there such a setting available already?
> If not, how can we make it?
>
> --
> Regards,
> T.Shrinivasan
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiConference India 2020: Initial conversations

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Happy Gandhi Jayanti to you and all!

Very pleased to see WCI being organised again, as they say, better late
than never. Thanks Telugu wiki community for taking lead. I will love to
help remotely as much as I can and will hope to be able to attend it as
well.

Kind Regards,
Dhaval

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019, 05:06 pavan santhosh,  wrote:

> Dear Fellow Wikimedians, Happy Gandhi Jayanti!
>
>
> Hope all of you are doing well. I am writing this email to start an
> initial conversation to host WikiConference India 2020 in Hyderabad.
>
> Many of us know that we had two national conferences in India till date -
> the first one in 2011 in Mumbai, and the second one in 2016 in Chandigarh.
> Both the conferences had been effective in bringing the diverse and massive
> Indian community together for a collective effort. The cross-community
> connections made during these conferences led many future collaborations
> across the country.
>
> I was one of the participants in 2016, and as I clearly remember, during
> the closing note, it was stressed upon that WCI should ideally happy
> annually, at least bi-annually, and we shouldn’t be waiting years all
> together for the next conference. But it has been more than three years
> since the last conference, and we are yet to have one. With this as a
> background, we have been discussing this for quite some time, and we
> decided recently to take the baton forward and host the WCI in Hyderabad in
> 2020. We are willing to invest the required time and energy to make this
> happen. Also we have had an initial conversation about this on Telugu
> Wikipedia Village Pump, and the local community is in support of this. The
> discussion can be seen here
> 
> [1]
>
> In 2018, the Community Resources team at the Wikimedia Foundation
> published Global Event Strategy
> [2]
> which stressed on more and regular regional conferences. Such conferences
> are being organized in other parts of the world such as WikiIndaba, CEE
> Meeting, North America, Iberocoop, Francophone convention, Wikiarabia,
> ESEAP etc. Even next year’s Wikimania is being organized by a group of
> affiliates and that journey started with them organizing ESEAP conference
> in 2018.
>
> This conference can and will bring our energies, ideas, learnings, and
> hopes together. It will help us in our journey towards better
> collaborations, diverse efforts and reinforce our identity as the Indian
> Wikimedia community. This conference will enable us to have better
> knowledge about current capacities, the gaps and also to build leadership.
> Exploring opportunities, bringing out leadership, empowering communities,
> providing a strategic understanding are some of which this conference can
> bring out. Apart from all these, providing a national-level platform for
> Indian Wikimedians to connect, re-connect, and establish their
> collaboration itself can be a very important purpose on it’s own.
>
> I hope we, the Indian Wikimedia Community members, come together in our
> various capacities and make this a reality by 2020. I believe we all will
> take learnings from earlier attempts and improve processes & use best
> practices in conducting this conference purposefully and fruitfully.
>
> Our entire thought has been put into this Meta-Wiki page
> [3],
> which has a more detailed explanation of what is what, and why. Since this
> tends to large and an important discussion, please keep all the
> conversations to talk page
> 
> of above link[4]. We can’t comfortably converse about multiple issues on
> one email thread (unlike sections on a page), and multiply emails can be
> annoying by spamming inboxes and tough to keep a track. So we would kindly
> urge all the conversations to be kept on the above-mentioned talk page.
>
> Thanks & regards,
>
> Pavan Santhosh and Krishna Chaitanya
>
>
> Links:
>
>1.
>
>
>
> https://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/వికీపీడియా:రచ్చబండ#2020_వికీమీడియా_జాతీయ_సమావేశం_(వికీ_కాన్ఫరెన్స్_ఇండియా)_హైదరాబాదులో
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>2.
>
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>
> https://met

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India members

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

This raises a question in my mind whether Wikimedia India Chapter is still
functional? There is a number of reasons to believe it is not,

1. we are still waiting a respinse from WMIN president on a separate
concern raised,
2. Members list has not been updated for 2 years
3. No one from the chapter seems to be caring to respond, etc...

Am I the only one having this question in mind?

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 16:49 Ashwin Baindur,  wrote:

> I had applied for membership of the Chapter but am yet to receive
> confirmation. Requesting Sanket to tell me whether I am a member or not as
> yet.
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 8:42 AM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I see that the last update on the list of members was in March 2017 (for
>> Elections 2016), published as the list of eligible voters for the election.
>> The list is at
>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections_2016/Eligible_Voters_List. But the
>> list has not been updated after that. Many of these must have been expired
>> by now (considering these from 2016).
>>
>> Also, an actual members' list is nowhere to be found on WMIN Wiki. As
>> Bodhi said, I feel that there should be somewhere on the Wiki, and it needs
>> to be updated regularly.
>>
>> Best,
>> Krishna
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:02 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am interested to know, who are the current members of Wikimedia India
>>> and since when are they members? If there is a list, please share.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Bodhisattwa
>>>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2019 scholarship applications open

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

FYI!

-- Forwarded message -
From: DerHexer 
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019, 19:16
Subject: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2019 scholarship applications open
To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) <
wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org>
Cc: Arild Vågen 


Hi all,

We wanted to inform you that scholarship applications for Wikimania 2019
which is being held in Stockholm, Sweden on August 14–18, 2019 are now
being accepted. Applications are open until *Friday, 15 March 2019 23:59
UTC*.

Applicants will be able to apply for a partial or full scholarship. A full
scholarship will cover the cost of an individual's round-trip travel,
shared accommodation, and conference registration fees as arranged by the
Wikimedia Foundation. A partial scholarship will cover conference
registration fees and shared accommodation.

Applicants will be rated using a pre-determined selection process and
selection criteria established by the Scholarship Committee and the
Wikimedia Foundation, who will determine which applications are successful.

To learn more about Wikimania 2019 scholarships, please visit:
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships

To apply for a scholarship, fill out the multi-language application form
on: *https://scholarships.wikimedia.org/apply
*

It is highly recommended that applicants review all the material on the
Scholarships page and the associated FAQ (
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships/FAQ ) before submitting
an application.

If you have any questions, please contact: wikimania-scholarships at
wikimedia.org  or leave a message at:
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Scholarships

Please help us spread the word and translate pages!

Best regards,

Arild Vågen and Martin Rulsch
for the Scholarship Committee
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarship_Committee

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Rush to spend money (earlier:Project tiger consultation community 2019)

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Thank you Jayanta,

However, if you dig in that same mailing list, you will find that it was
declared "cancelled" last week and no further official confirmation later
on, except Tito's reply to my query.

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019, 09:59 Jayanta Nath,  wrote:

> The event was announced at
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-gu/2019-February/000940.html
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Rush to spend money (earlier:Project tiger consultation community 2019)

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Thank you Tito,

Has this been communicated to the Gujarati community? The Gujarati mailing
list, which you subscribe as well, had a last communication which informed
that the event was cancelled.

I haven't seen any communication informing the mailing list that it has
been reinstated.

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 11:21 Tito Dutta,  wrote:

> Hello,
> The meetup and workshop will take place on 23-24 February 2019 at Ahmedabad
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gujarati_Wikisource_Workshop,_Ahmedabad
> After the Indian Wikisource Consultation Gujarati Wikisource community
> members are interested in this workshop. I believe this workshop and the
> meetup will be helpful for them. We'll make sure to follow-up this event
> with future plan(s).
>
> Thanks
> Tito Dutta
> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind
> me over email or phone call.
>
>
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 19:51, Tito Dutta  wrote:
>
>> Hello Dhaval,
>> Thank you for your reply.
>> I confirm that I do not have any information about the cancellation of
>> the upcoming workshop in Gujarat. However this is true that we have to
>> ensure that necessary groundwork and needs assessment are done properly and
>> that is the message I conveyed to my team. I have asked my team members to
>> check this and get back to me and the mailing list as soon as possible. In
>> the last email I told that we would get back in 3 days/72 hours.
>> In case the community feels or we feel that the event needs more time to
>> prepare we may postpone it, but as of now we have not reached any decision.
>> I hope that makes things clear.
>> You brought up an excellent point we are really thankful for that. If you
>> have suggestions or idea about conducting or improving this workshop please
>> let us know either over the email thread or personally. We hope to get back
>> soon with more information.
>> (Sent using mobile, kindly excuse brevity and typos)
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 7:34 PM Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Tito for your quick reply yesterday.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile it gas been brought to my notice that due to my this question,
>>> Wikisource meetup has now been cancelled/postponed.
>>>
>>> I am saddened to know that my concern raised here in general with mere
>>> example of 2 events has been used as a shield to take a decision on the
>>> event that was "still in planning stage". If the decision to cancel the
>>> event was due to the interpretation of my concern as "no support from
>>> community", it is very unfortunate.
>>>
>>> I never said or indicated that I do nit support the initiative. Please
>>> point me to the statement where you or anybody got that indication.
>>>
>>> This whole episode makes me think whether the Project Tiger Consultation
>>> is also being cancelled due to its mention in the same email by me.
>>>
>>> In either case, if you decided to cancel the Ahmedabad solely because of
>>> me, I should have been informed or at least consulted before taking such a
>>> huge decision and communicating to the community. This has only created
>>> rift in a very small community of Gujarati Wikimedians and nothing else.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Dhaval Sudhanva Vyas
>>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 11:14 Tito Dutta >>
>>>> Hello Dhaval,
>>>> Thank you for your email and your suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> There seem to be 2 questions here:
>>>> 1) Project Tiger Community Consultation: and 2) Gujarati Wikisource
>>>> community consultation.
>>>>
>>>> I'll try to answer your questions.
>>>> 1) Project Tiger Community Consultation: You know Project Tiger (PT)
>>>> community consultation 1.0 ended some time ago, and you may also know from
>>>> Wikimedia Foundation/Google or from some other social media post that the
>>>> next iteration of Project may be started sometime this year, probably in a
>>>> few months.
>>>> The consulltation is planned as a colcluding event of Project Tiger 1.0
>>>> with an objective of gathering feedback, experiences (may be in form of
>>>> presentations), meet and greet PT contributors, brainstorming etc. The
>>>> planning part started early, in the beginning of January, and at that same
>>>> time we talked to WMF PT team, and who discussed with Google. We are doing
>>>> ground-work on this. We'd like to conduct this event in a good way.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Rush to spend money (earlier:Project tiger consultation community 2019)

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Thank you Tito for your quick reply yesterday.

Meanwhile it gas been brought to my notice that due to my this question,
Wikisource meetup has now been cancelled/postponed.

I am saddened to know that my concern raised here in general with mere
example of 2 events has been used as a shield to take a decision on the
event that was "still in planning stage". If the decision to cancel the
event was due to the interpretation of my concern as "no support from
community", it is very unfortunate.

I never said or indicated that I do nit support the initiative. Please
point me to the statement where you or anybody got that indication.

This whole episode makes me think whether the Project Tiger Consultation is
also being cancelled due to its mention in the same email by me.

In either case, if you decided to cancel the Ahmedabad solely because of
me, I should have been informed or at least consulted before taking such a
huge decision and communicating to the community. This has only created
rift in a very small community of Gujarati Wikimedians and nothing else.

Thank you,
Dhaval Sudhanva Vyas

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 11:14 Tito Dutta  Hello Dhaval,
> Thank you for your email and your suggestions.
>
> There seem to be 2 questions here:
> 1) Project Tiger Community Consultation: and 2) Gujarati Wikisource
> community consultation.
>
> I'll try to answer your questions.
> 1) Project Tiger Community Consultation: You know Project Tiger (PT)
> community consultation 1.0 ended some time ago, and you may also know from
> Wikimedia Foundation/Google or from some other social media post that the
> next iteration of Project may be started sometime this year, probably in a
> few months.
> The consulltation is planned as a colcluding event of Project Tiger 1.0
> with an objective of gathering feedback, experiences (may be in form of
> presentations), meet and greet PT contributors, brainstorming etc. The
> planning part started early, in the beginning of January, and at that same
> time we talked to WMF PT team, and who discussed with Google. We are doing
> ground-work on this. We'd like to conduct this event in a good way.
>
> 2) Gujarati community Wikisource meetup: The event is in planning stage. I
> remember it being discussed by Gujarati community members over email, and I
> know some community members are working on this.
> I need a little time to check. I'll check this and get back to you in next
> 72 hours/3 days (maximum).
>
> I once again thank you for your email and suggestions.
>
>
>
> Thanks
> Tito Dutta
> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind
> me over email or phone call.
>
>
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 14:51, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Don't know whether it is only me, does anybody else here also feels that
>> there is a rush in somehow spend money, or should I say blow up money, or
>> rather "meet the target spend"?
>>
>> For example this consultation is being planned, there is a Wikisource
>> meet in Ahmedabad being planned, all at very short notice and without any
>> substantial groundwork. Any consultation or meet needs a planning of at
>> least a couple of months, especially if you're targeting pan India
>> participation. Booking train/flight tickets with just 2-3 weeks notice will
>> not be expensive?
>>
>> Could these things not be organised later in the year giving more time to
>> the communities to consult and organisers to prepare themselves? Or is it
>> just because there is a 31st March deadline to utilise the budget which
>> remained unspent till date?
>>
>> If we do the so called Gujarati Wikisource Meet aka Workshop in 2 weeks,
>> what level of participation are we expecting? What is the expected outcome?
>>
>> At least these 2 things certainly make me think that there is sone Rush
>> in spending money.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dhaval Sudhanva Vyas
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 08:54 Rajeeb Dutta >
>>> Hello Gopala,
>>> I really admire this initiative though doesn’t understand the criteria
>>> of how you people are selecting 20 participants? and some of extent agrees
>>> with Abhinav of inviting the subsequent participant by the order of
>>> rank or inviting some senior community members as it will be helpful for
>>> community consultation program.
>>>
>>> Hoping a successful event and feeling pride to be a contributor for the
>>> same.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Rajeeb Dutta.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 15-Feb-2019, at 1:05 PM, Abhinav srivastava 
>>> wrote:
>&g

[Wikimediaindia-l] Rush to spend money (earlier:Project tiger consultation community 2019)

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi All,

Don't know whether it is only me, does anybody else here also feels that
there is a rush in somehow spend money, or should I say blow up money, or
rather "meet the target spend"?

For example this consultation is being planned, there is a Wikisource meet
in Ahmedabad being planned, all at very short notice and without any
substantial groundwork. Any consultation or meet needs a planning of at
least a couple of months, especially if you're targeting pan India
participation. Booking train/flight tickets with just 2-3 weeks notice will
not be expensive?

Could these things not be organised later in the year giving more time to
the communities to consult and organisers to prepare themselves? Or is it
just because there is a 31st March deadline to utilise the budget which
remained unspent till date?

If we do the so called Gujarati Wikisource Meet aka Workshop in 2 weeks,
what level of participation are we expecting? What is the expected outcome?

At least these 2 things certainly make me think that there is sone Rush in
spending money.

Regards,
Dhaval Sudhanva Vyas

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 08:54 Rajeeb Dutta  Hello Gopala,
> I really admire this initiative though doesn’t understand the criteria of
> how you people are selecting 20 participants? and some of extent agrees
> with Abhinav of inviting the subsequent participant by the order of rank
> or inviting some senior community members as it will be helpful for
> community consultation program.
>
> Hoping a successful event and feeling pride to be a contributor for the
> same.
>
> Best Regards,
> Rajeeb Dutta.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 15-Feb-2019, at 1:05 PM, Abhinav srivastava 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Gopal,
>
> The final result of the Project Tiger has a highly volatile result, some
> communities have done remarkably well in terms of metrics while some
> haven’t. The idea of giving preference to women participants is a welcome
> step.
>
> However, why the idea of inviting jury? The role of jury in this exercise
> was narrow, limited and not even inviting any hard decisions. It is my
> personal observation that inviting the subsequent participant by the order
> of rank or inviting some senior community member with community consensus
> could be a better idea.
>
> Perhaps, the jury who worked on computer and internet scholarship could be
> invited.
>
> Abhinav
>
> On Friday, 15 February 2019, Gopala Krishna A 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I would like to give an update regarding this. In this event we are
>> expecting total 20 participants. So far only 10 people confirmed their
>> participation.
>> From each community we are inviting two participants. Those two
>> participants are the top three performers (Indians Wikipedians) of Project
>> tiger edit-a-thon 2018. We are planning to invite jury members where ever
>> top contributors of the highest performed language can not attend. Also, we
>> are giving preference to women participants.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:13 PM Gopala Krishna A 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Mourya,
>>> Yes. We invited active participants (Indians) of Project Tiger
>>> Edit-a-thon 2018 from all participated communities.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:05 PM Mourya Biswas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you very much. I hope some of the active participants from the
 last year's editathon, of Bengali community will be invited.

 Warmest regards
 *Mourya Biswas* "*মৌর্য্য বিশ্বাস*"
 Phone: +91-8184877240
 *Wikimedia* *address *: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mouryan
 *Twitter* : @themouryan


 On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 13:46, Tito Dutta  wrote:

> Hello,
> Greetings from CIS-A2K team, We're planning to conduct a community
> consultation program for Project Tiger. The objectives of this
> consultation program are:
>
>- Revisiting the Project Tiger 2018; Strength and Challenges
>- Discussion on the coming iteration of Project Tiger.
>- Project Tiger contributors meet & greet.
>
> The event will take place on 2-3 March 2019, and the event place will
> be announced shortly. Please see the event page here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_Tiger_Community_Consultation
> We will be inviting the participants from different Indian community
> based on their contribution in the Project Tiger 2018 edit-a-thon.
>
> Thanks
> Tito Dutta
> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Request for suggestions on scanning books from Tamilappan

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi,

It is a good news that there is someone willing to donate their books. Hope
we find some good books in PD.

Regarding scanning them, I am sure there must have been some recipient of
Scanner under the Project Tiger within Tamil community, they should be able
to help scanning.

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On Wed, 16 Jan 2019, 08:13 Shrinivasan T  Found a news about a old man with 1000s of books, willing to give them
> all for scanning.
>
> Read more info here.
>
>
> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/coimbatore/this-retired-revenue-official-is-on-a-mission-to-digitize-rare-tamil-books/articleshow/65848982.cms
>
> News in Tamil
>
> https://www.vikatan.com/news/tamilnadu/144314-84-years-old-tamilpanaars-love-towards-tamil-books.html
> https://www.bbc.com/tamil/india-46786921
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzSYosCbuG0
>
>
>
> I am trying to get his contact details.
>
> If we contact him and if he agrees to give his books to us, we can
> scan the public domain books and add to commons.
>
> We need scanners, volunteers, infrastructure like computer, internet etc.
> Can CIS or Wikimedia india chapter help on providing these?
> With some plan of action, it will be easy to approach and explain the
> plans.
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [TWL Con - 2019 India] Call for Applications

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

The whole planning seems to be half cooked, e.g. on the conference homepage
it reads:

Venue & City: We're currently searching, let us know know if you have any
good options; economical (free; library preferred), safe, well connected,
easy of connecting with local library/librarian community.

And are we closing applications today? Should we not have a confirmed venue
to begin with? Day before yesterday when I checked the page, even dates
weren't confirm and there were couple of options projected there.

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018, 15:34 Krishna Chaitanya Velaga  Hi Shyamal,
>
> I've seen your message on the talk page. I'll give my reply soon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 8:37 PM Shyamal Lakshminarayanan <
> lshya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have noted on the talk page that this "event" appears  to have been set
>> up without much discussion. I would indeed even question the design of an
>> event that precludes librarians who are outside the Wikimedia movement
>> simply by requiring that one has a Wikimedia user name. Maybe Krishna can
>> help some of us understand the process by which this event has been thought
>> about?
>>
>> best wishes
>> Shyamal
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 8:04 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> We were under the impression that the closing date is Nov 27, 2018.
>>> That’s what was mentioned in the website. Just now only I saw that you have
>>> changed that to Nov 25th only yesterday.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is the history of that edit -
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=TWLCon_(2019_India)&diff=prev&oldid=18645643
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Two persons from Kravali Wikimedians User Group are planning to apply.
>>> They are still under the impression that the last date is Nov 27th.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Pavanaja
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Wikimediaindia-l  *On
>>> Behalf Of *Krishna Chaitanya Velaga
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 24, 2018 8:45 PM
>>> *To:* wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [TWL Con - 2019 India] Call for
>>> Applications
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for the typo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The applications will close at 23:59 hrs on 25 November 2018.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 8:40 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
>>> kcvel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tomorrow is the last day for applying to TWLCon - 2019 India. The
>>> applications will close at 23:59 hrs on 25 September 2018.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If there is anyone who are interested to take part, kindly apply as soon
>>> as possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Event page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/TWLC19IN
>>>
>>> Application: https://goo.gl/forms/NvwYttEeCFfl30rG3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Krishna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 1:33 AM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
>>> kcvel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am happy to announce that the applications for "TWL Con (2019
>>> India)"[1], a mini-conference around The Wikipedia Library (TWL)[2] and
>>> library outreach for Wikimedia projects in India are now open. Due to
>>> limited time, we're not able to spare much time for responses, kindly
>>> accept my apologies. The application period is 19–25 November 2018.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In brief about the event:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TWL helps active editors access reliable sources to improve Wikipedia.
>>> Among several other programs, it also helps knowledge professionals share
>>> their collections with the public. TWLCon (2019 India) is an upcoming
>>> conference to increase awareness about TWL to Wikimedians in India and
>>> discuss strategising TWL activities in India. This event has been primarily
>>> designed to understand the needs and document the insights from experienced
>>> Wikimedians about libraries/sources (references) in India. More about the
>>> event may be referred from the event page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The application form is at: https://goo.gl/forms/NvwYttEeCFfl30rG3;
>>> last date 25 November 2018.
>>>
>>> The event is to be held in the first or second weeks of Jan 2019
>>> (tentative); Venue will be informed later.
>>>
>>> The eligibility guidelines are applicable as mentioned here [3].
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kindly let me know if you have further questions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> User:KCVelaga
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/TWLC19IN
>>>
>>> [2]:
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/TWLCon_(2019_India)#Eligibility_and_guidelines
>>>
>>> [3]: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Library
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiSource Ebooks Download Count

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Srinivasan,

This seems to be a very useful tool, thanks for sharing and even greater
thanks for creating it.

How does it work? Do you need to index books first and then create a link
or it will work by simply replacing the language code at the end of these
urls? The reason I am asking this is, I would like to see Gujarati
Wikisource ebooks count.

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018, 19:19 Shrinivasan T,  wrote:

> Check the download counts for ebooks in various formats for the
> wikisource in Tamil, Telugu and Bengali languages here.
>
> https://tools.wmflabs.org/shrinitools/WSDownloadReport/bn
> https://tools.wmflabs.org/shrinitools/WSDownloadReport/te
> https://tools.wmflabs.org/shrinitools/WSDownloadReport/ta
>
> source - https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/WikisourceEbooksReport
>
> Thanks Balaji for reminding on this year long pending task.
>
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India community mailing list admins

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Nice initiative Subha,

For the other suggestions that are floating in, I would recommend not to
suggest/nominate third parties. Let individuals nominate themselves for it
to be more productive adminship.

A need of gender balance could be there but list adminship simply doesn't
require it, so instead of forcibly implimenting it for the sake of
political correctness, let us invite all genders, male/female/third
gender/gender neutral, all.

Regards,
Dhaval Sudhanva Vyas

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018, 14:37 Subhashish Panigrahi, 
wrote:

> I so want to step down from the Delhi list if we are discussing about that
> as well. :)
>
> It’s been 5 years since I left Delhi and it makes sense for someone local
> to take over. For the record, I also lost the password and probably Theo
> needs to add the new moderator.
>
> Happy to add anyone interested for Bangalore.
>
> Subhashish
>
> On Jul 30, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
>
> I agree Krishna,
>
> At the same time, let us review the non-active admins as well, or any
> admin who wants to step down.
>
> Regards,
> Dhaval Vyas
>
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2018, 13:28 Krishna Chaitanya Velaga, <
> kcvel...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The Indian community mailing list is arguably the most used mailing list
>> by the Indian Wikimedia community. However, recently some users have
>> reported problems with subscription and sending messages as
>> non-subscribers. All these issues are need to be dealt by the list admins
>> at the earliest possible. However, the issues remain unsolved.
>>
>> So I think more active community members must be added as mailing list
>> admins so that these issues can be addressed in a timely manner.
>>
>> List info at:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/Wikimediaindia-l
>>
>> Looking forward for comments from other members.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Krishna Chaitanya V.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India community mailing list admins

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

I agree Krishna,

At the same time, let us review the non-active admins as well, or any admin
who wants to step down.

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018, 13:28 Krishna Chaitanya Velaga, 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The Indian community mailing list is arguably the most used mailing list
> by the Indian Wikimedia community. However, recently some users have
> reported problems with subscription and sending messages as
> non-subscribers. All these issues are need to be dealt by the list admins
> at the earliest possible. However, the issues remain unsolved.
>
> So I think more active community members must be added as mailing list
> admins so that these issues can be addressed in a timely manner.
>
> List info at:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/Wikimediaindia-l
>
> Looking forward for comments from other members.
>
> Regards,
> Krishna Chaitanya V.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Leaving the Wikimedia Foundation

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Ravi,

India wiki movement will surely miss you, you have made a great impact on
the wikimedia within the subcontinent. Wish you all the very best in your
next assignment.

Regards,
Dhaval Vyas

On 2 Jul 2018 11:17 pm, "Ravishankar Ayyakkannu" 
wrote:






*Hi, I am leaving the Wikimedia Foundation to pursue other ideas and
opportunities. I will be working until 15th of July 2018. During my time
here, it was my honor to work alongside many brilliant colleagues from all
the Asian Wikimedia communities, User Groups, chapters, and CIS-A2K. I am
especially proud that, in collaboration with my team and partners, I had
the opportunity to design, launch, and implement the very successful pilot
partnership called Project Tiger
.This
project and many other initiatives for the Asian region will be continued
according to our team's Annual plan. Please contact
globalre...@wikimedia.org  to learn more.
Thanks, Ravi*

-- 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Maps for all Indic languages Wikimedia projects.

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Good Sighting Ashwin,

We must show correct borders as per GoI's recognition.

Regards,
Dhaval Sudhanva Vyas

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, 12:30 Ashwin Baindur,  wrote:

> Can we have maps which are reflective of the GOI's position of the border
> of our nation, rather than showing parts of J & K as part of Pakistan? Just
> saying... is it possible?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:40 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
> psubhash...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Arun Ganesh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
>>> psubhash...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 For some reason, it is showing names with different spellings instead
 of the current spelling on OSM. Any idea why?

> 
>
>
>>> Links to examples? Could be the tile is using slightly older data or
>>> could be rendering issues.
>>>
>> I meant the place names. It is not older names but incorrect/non-standard
>> spellings. Could be older data as you have mentioned.
>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Maps for all Indic languages Wikimedia projects.

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Great work Naveen,

Thanks for sharing. I see some English names on some of the Indic language
maps, is this work in progress? How to have those names displayed in Indic
languages as well?

Thanks in advance,
Dhaval Sudhanva Vyas

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 06:56 Naveen Francis,  wrote:

> Wikimedia Maps for all Indic languages Wikimedia projects. https://
> test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indic_Maps  
>
>
> Thanks,
> naveenpf
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Project Tiger: List of Laptop Recipients

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi,

As part of the Project Tiger Community Review Team, we are glad to announce
the list of laptop recipients.

* 50 Wikimedians will receive laptops. 45 among them have 1000+ edits.
* They belong to 16 different Indian language Wikipedia communities.
* 11 among them are females (22% of recipients).

All applicants with 100+ global edits and at least one endorsement were
considered eligible to be reviewed. The selection principle was to look at
Activity (edits) followed by Trust (endorsements) and decide based on one's
Need for the support. This meant that people who had no (contributing from
a mobile) or only limited access (contributing from office) to a system
were given priority over others who needed an additional/better laptop for
various needs.

A basic model Chromebook will be given as one-time support. The recipients
can keep them forever without returning it to CIS-A2K or fellow community
members. This support is offered assuming good faith in order to empower
each recipient's contribution to the best of their ability. We encourage
fellow community members to welcome them as usual.

Each recipient will be contacted through their talk pages and contact email
address given on the application form. We plan to disperse the laptops
before the end of March 2018. Please contact tito at cis-india.org or
tanveer at cis-india.org if you need clarification or leave a message in
the talk page.

More details and full list of recipients are available at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Supporting_Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program/Support/Laptops

Thanks,

Dhaval S. Vyas
Manavpreet Kaur
Yohann Thomas
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Endorse application for Laptop & Internet grants

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi All,

As part of the community review team to distribute laptops and internet
stipends under Project Tiger, we would like to bring to your attention the
following:

* The last date for applying to get laptop and internet support is 25th Feb
Sunday 11:59 PM IST. Please spread the word in your communities. Encourage
and help users who need this support to apply.

* There are many applications still in draft form. Please see if you know
some of those applicants. Help them to complete their applications.

* There are many applications without endorsements. Please do endorse
applicants you know. Please note that the number of endorsements doesn't
ensure if someone gets support. However, it will help the review committee
to understand the applicant's need and merit.

Feel free to reach out to any of us if you need help or clarification.

See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Supporting_Indian_
Language_Wikipedias_Program/Support for more details.

Thanks,

Dhaval S. Vyas
Yohann Thomas
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Project Tiger - Update

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi All,

As part of the community review team to distribute laptops and internet
stipends under Project Tiger, we would like to bring to your attention the
following:

* Applications are closed for the support program now. We have received 271
applications so far. No more applications are being accepted now.
* You may continue to endorse the applications.Also, you should encourage
others to do so.
* The applications are under review by the community review team. We plan
to publish the list of recipients by 4th March, 2018.
* Shortlisted applicants will be contacted via their talk pages and email
address.

Feel free to reach out to any of us if you need help or clarification.

Please follow https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Supporting_Indian_
Language_Wikipedias_Program/Support for more details and updates.

Thanks,

Dhaval S. Vyas
Yohann Thomas
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wish You all Happy Holi

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

And vigilant to what is approved for the mailing list.

On 12 Apr 2017 13:46, "Yohann Thomas"  wrote:

> The email is almost a month late...
> Guess the moderator needs to be a little more active...
>
> Thanks for the wishes anyways Suyash :)
>
>
> On 12 Apr 2017 3:22 p.m., "Suyash Dwivedi"  wrote:
>
> Wish You all Happy Holi
>
> --
> *Regards:*
> *Suyash Dwivedi*
> U: Suyash.dwivedi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Ravishankar Ayyakkannu as Manager, Strategic Partnerships - Asia

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Very good news,

Congratulations Ravi,

Kind Regards,
Dhaval

On 22 Dec 2016 5:14 am, "Adele Vrana"  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedia India community,
>
> I am thrilled to announce that Ravishankar Ayyakkannu is joining the
> Global Reach team as a Partnerships Manager Contractor for Asia for the
> Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> As many of you may already know, earlier Ravi served as the Program
> Director for the Wikimedia India Chapter. He played a significant role in
> two recent developments from the Indian region, namely, the WikiConference
> India 2016 and the Government of Tamil Nadu issuing an order releasing all
> its content in CC-BY-SA license. Ravi is also a proud Wikimedian
> contributing to many Tamil Wikimedia projects since 2005 and has a specific
> interest in community building.
>
> The Global Reach team will focus on growing Wikimedia projects along the
> themes of awareness, affordability and offline solutions in the Indian
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Nibhish Technologies :: Offline, Online and Form filling Data Processing

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

H,

What has this got to do with Wikimedia movement?

Is this group moderated?

Thanks,

On 16 Dec 2016 08:17, "Sunil papaiah568"  wrote:

Hi,

Hope all of you are doing well.

I have started the New firm called Nibhish Technologies primarily focusing
on Offline, Online and Form filling Data Processing projects. Please advice
if there is any opportunity where it will help all of us in sharing the
work. Have fair and healthy business.

*Over view of Nibhish Technologies:*

This is pertaining to Data processing business opportunity in public and
private sector departments. India is rapidly developing in Information
technology by computerizing all the sectors and their sub departments under
Digital India program. As a startup company, we are looking for a business
opportunity to create an employment opportunity to our skilled resources
and contribution to our economic growth.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Jimmy Wales travelling to India

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Satdeep,

Meeting is with whom? Is this a personal meeting or an official one?

Kind Regards,
Dhaval

On 14 Dec 2016 13:06,  wrote:

> Hi Abhinav,
>
> There is a meeting with Jimmy at the Taj Mahal Hotel on 17th December 4 PM
> to 5 PM.
>
> Regards
> Satdeep Gill
>
>
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>> is it a virtual talk from abroad.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Setting Up of the Advisory Council at Wikimedia India

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

And you can add me as well. I have been associated with Indic wikipedia for
last 8 years.
On 23 Mar 2016 07:32, "sri pathy7"  wrote:

> Srivastava Abhinav
> Executive Committee Member|Wikimedia India
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> Thanks for ur e-mail. U can include my name in advisory council.
>
> Prof.T.Sripathy
> Department Of Electronic Media
> Bangalore University
> Jnanabharati Campus
> Bangalore-560056
>
> Wish u all the best.
>
> Regards
>
> Prof.T.Sripathy
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Abhinav Srivastava <
> abhinav.srivast...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> As a step to nurture Wikimedia India into in fact even bigger roles such
>> that it realizes its mission, beliefs and goals more efficiently, Wikimedia
>> India has decided to setup an advisory council.
>>
>> Advisory council would be a panel of experts with different expertise
>> and connections with whom WE the chapter could rely on to get specific
>> advice. However, They are not a "committee" in the usual sense to
>> discuss all issues together and provide consensus.
>>
>> While the chapter relies on senior and experienced members from the
>> community, it would now also try to enroll people outside Wiki movement.
>> This should be an ongoing process. Growth and strength of WMIN will
>> depend on how many capable members outside our community get interested in
>> us. Community members anyway will always be there to support us.
>>
>> Please find the attached document for more details.
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
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>> Ph - +91-9711739003|Skype: abhinavsrivastava619
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2016 scholarship applications open

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

FYI!
-- Forwarded message --
From: "DerHexer" 
Date: 8 Dec 2015 20:22
Subject: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2016 scholarship applications open
To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <
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wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org>
Cc: "wikimania-scholarsh...@wikimedia.org" <
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Hi all, Scholarship applications for Wikimania 2016 which is being held in
Esino Lario, Italy on June 22–27, 2016 are now being accepted. Applications
are open until Saturday, January 09 2016 23:59 UTC. Applicants will be able
to apply for a partial or full scholarship. A full scholarship will cover
the cost of an individual's round-trip travel, shared accommodation, and
conference registration fees as arranged by the Wikimedia Foundation. A
partial scholarship will cover conference registration fees and shared
accommodation. Applicants will be rated using a pre-determined selection
process and selection criteria established by the Scholarship Committee and
the Wikimedia Foundation, who will determine which applications are
successful. To learn more about Wikimania 2016 scholarships, please visit:
https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships To apply for a
scholarship, fill out the multi-language application form on:
https://scholarships.wikimedia.org/apply It is highly recommended that
applicants review all the material on the Scholarships page and the
associated FAQ ( https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships/FAQ
) before submitting an application. If you have any questions, please
contact: wikimania-scholarships at wikimedia.org
 or leave a message at:
https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Scholarships Please help us
spread the word! Best regards, for the Scholarship Committee
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki loves expensive expeditions (Was: Re: Chapter public communication requirements)

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Ver well said Lane Raspberry,

You're right in saying that as funds are available, people from India
should find projects that are otherwise not possible to undertake and apply
for grants. Community should scrutinise the proposals as it did in this
case but in all good faith.

Thanks,
Dhaval
On 10 Sep 2015 19:05, "Lane Rasberry"  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am happy to see that this project has been funded.
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:PEG/Sujay25/Wikipedia_Treks_Kalindi_Khal#Notes_on_approval
> >
>
> Shyamal, your criticism is all valid, but I feel that it misses an
> important point. That point is that the Wikimedia community owes India 1/6
> of all community funds (India is 1/6 of world population) and very little
> of the money owed actually goes to India. As someone in the United States I
> feel continually concerned about why Wikimedia contributors in India argue
> about portions of the money available without making plans to take all of
> what is owed.
>
> Whatever happens in the future with Wikimedia community grants in India in
> the future, I hope that more people look to apply for more funds. I think
> this one was funded because the money was available for India and this was
> the best available proposal. Some people may feel that this is not the best
> project - those people should write better grants and propose better
> projects.
>
> I would like to see more regional user groups in India be founded. It only
> takes 3 people, and user groups will be treated by the Wikimedia community
> as equal to the Wikimedia India chapter. If anyone feels that the chapter
> does not represent them, then they can start a user group or even a second
> Wikimedia India chapter.
>
> Whatever happens - please more grant requests from India! I think this
> project is good, but also I recognize that few proposals come from India.
>
> Request more, make more plans, make plans over time, and please more
> people start thinking about what you will do with your 1/6 allotment when
> Wikimedia community organizers are mature enough as a collective to manage
> it. In business India has some of the best management infrastructure in the
> world. In the NGO sector... I regret that very often development is
> difficult and argumentative in India. I wish for more collaboration in
> India because money is there to support.
>
> yours,
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Yohann Thomas  wrote:
>
>> Hi Shyamal
>>
>> I have responded to your questions/doubts on the PEG page. But this being
>> the last, lets keep the PEG page discussion different & mailing list
>> discussion different. Don't want to unnecessary spam inboxes for those not
>> interested in our discussion. Those interested can always read our fruitful
>> discussions on the grant page.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Yohann Thomas
>> yohan...@gmail.com
>>
>> PS - FYI Eastern Ghats Highest point is Arma Konda *1680 m/5512 ft* &
>> Garhwal Himalayas Highest point  is Kalindi Khal pass *5968 mts /19578
>> ft  *
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania '15 social events

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Are we planning a WIki India meetup at wikimania? I suppose there are a few
wikimedians from India/Indic languages attending, so lets plan and
advertise.
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From: "Ivan Martínez" 
Date: 1 Jul 2015 15:40
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania '15 social events
To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <
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Cc: "Peaceray" 

Thanks Pine, Corne. We are updating all the spaces about community meetups
and village.

And if you need a space to meetup just contact me and we can schedule.

Thanks,

El miércoles, 1 de julio de 2015, Pine W  escribió:

> Ok thanks Cornelius.
>
> Hmm, no CAN/US meetup? Peaceray, would you like to organize one?
>
> Pine
> On Jul 1, 2015 1:32 AM, "Cornelius Kibelka"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Pine,
>>
>> did you that they're listed in the programme? (
>> https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme)
>> Friday and Saturday evening there are several meet-ups (WikiFranca,
>> WMCEE, Wikiarabia, etc.) listed.
>>
>> Best
>> Cornelius
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> Cornelius Kibelka
>>
>> Twitter: @jaancornelius
>> Mobile:+49-1520-7226062
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 July 2015 at 08:31, Pine W  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ivan,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this announcement.
>>>
>>> One of the wishes of many of the participants in this year's Wikimedia
>>> Conference was to meet up with other Wikimedians from similar regional,
>>> linguistic, or cultural heritages. I thought that I heard that similar
>>> meetups are planned for Wikimania in Mexico. Are they listed on a separate
>>> page? At the Wikimedia Conference these were categorized as social events,
>>> although I think that most of the groups discussed business in addition to
>>> socializing.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Pine
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] MediaWikiTTT-2015

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Dear Dr. Pavanaja,

This seems to be nice initiative. Can you please confirm whether it is an
invitee only event? I could not see any call of participation or any link
to register, etc.

Wish you all the success with the event,

Thanks,
Dhaval
On 10 Jun 2015 06:25, "Dr.U.B. Pavanaja"  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
>
>
> It gives WMIN and CIS-A2K great pleasure to announce that we have started
> preparations for MediaWiki Train the Trainer Program. It is a matter of
> grave concern that while the Indian Language Wikipedias are slowly
> improving their content and expanding their volunteer base, there is very
> less and often zero representation from the Indian Language Communities
> towards MediaWiki software and the available tools around.
>
>
>
> CIS-A2K intends to bridge this gap by creating and grooming 'tech' leaders
> in the MediaWiki sphere from the existing Indian Language Wikipedians.
> MediaWiki Train the Trainer program aims to facilitate discussions around
> nurturing leadership regarding tech related issues, file bugs that hinder
> the growth of Indian Language Wikipedias, active contribution towards
> improving the existing MediaWiki software and understanding the importance
> of mediating technology for outreach activities. The 4 day residential
> event will happen in last week of June, 2015.
>
>
>
> Exact dates and venue will be announced soon.
>
>
>
> We welcome specific issues that should be discussed during the MWTTT as
> well as feedback and suggestions. Please write to us if there are any
> concerns.
>
>
>
> The event page :
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Mediawiki_Train_the_Trainer_Program
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Pavanaja
>
> 
>
> *U.B. Pavanaja*, MSc, PhD
>
> Programme Manager – Indian languages
> ,
>
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>
> The Centre for Internet & Society
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Scanner machine

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Ravi,

Any portable scanner should be avoided as it will not produce good quality
high res images that are required for OCR.

I work in an environment where scanners are greatly used and we use them
for corporate clients docs and signatures, etc. Based on my experience I'd
suggest Canon or Fujitsu scanners as they do the great job. I agree with
you that smartphones or pocket cameras are neither an option if you're
looking for large scale and good quality work.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 22 May 2015 11:13, "Ravishankar Ayyakkannu" 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Will piQx Xcanex Portable Book and Document Scanner
> 
> be a good machine for scanning old and brittle books?
>
> Retaining as much color and quality for OCR needs is also essential.
> 
>
> I am aware of the suggestions in this mail thread about using a smart
> phone or regular pocket camera for scanning documents.
>
> But, I am looking at large scale GLAM projects where a community owned
> scanning machine would be appropriate.
>
> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Better communication channels

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

I agree with Srikanth, first preference is to have discussion on related
wiki and for cross-wiki topics mailing list is the best.

I find it more time wasting to go on social media then to read emails and
reply them.

Don't see a logic behind abandoning mailing list and using facebook or any
other social media " to communicate faster and allow us to contribute more
of our time to article write and other related activities" trust me,
checking mails takes a lot less time than going on social media.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 2 May 2015 10:21, "Srikanth Ramakrishnan"  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I think it is best in everybody's interest that the bulk of communication
> is done on wiki itself, on the Wiki in question. If it is cross wiki
> discussion pertaining to India, it can be on the WikimediaIndia-l or other
> lists.
>
> On 2 May 2015 at 14:45, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:
>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/Indicwikimedians/ (264 members)
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/718609504905023/ (Indic Wikimedia
>> Commons Community (126 members)
>>
>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
>> wrote:
>> > Guys, please join Indic Wikimedians to avoid fragmentaion of groups.
>> >
>> > Ashwin Baindur (User:AshLin) on en:WP
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Akshay Agrawal <
>> kooldudeaks...@yahoo.in> wrote:
>> >> Hi Guys,
>> >> I was just wondering if if it would acceptable to all to form a
>> Facebook
>> >> group or some other form of non-email interaction to help us
>> communicate
>> >> faster and allow us to contribute more of our time to article write and
>> >> other related activities than checking our mail.
>> >>
>> >> Im sorry if there is already some channel and i am unaware of it.
>> Please let
>> >> me know if it is so.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If you agree, please join this interim group created on facebook so
>> that we
>> >> can discuss and form the appropriate communication channels
>> >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/700702266740422/
>> >>
>> >> Cheers.
>> >> Akshay Agrawal
>> >> kooldudeaks...@yahoo.in
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Good Bye as CIS-A2K Program Director

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Dear Vishnu,

Wish you all the best for your future and hope your health improves.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 30 Apr 2015 09:32, "Vishnu T"  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> This is my last day as the CIS-A2K Program Director.
>
> The last 2 years and 3 months have been immensely exciting with tons of
> learning and work!
>
> I have loved meeting many Wikimedians, face to face, across the length and
> breadth of India. The interactions I had with many of you have been
> immensely useful to my learning.
>
> The diversity of our community and the Wikimedia projects in India is so
> rich and intricate - I wish I could map out my entire set of impressions to
> only give a slight glimpse of it!!
>
> Signing off as the Program Director for now. See you on-wiki, here on the
> lists and in real life whenever our paths cross.
>
> A quick update: The next A2K Program Director selection is under process
> and hopefully we should all be able to welcome the new incumbent in June,
> 2015. Until then the A2K team is being internally monitored by CIS
> leadership.
>
> Best wishes,
> Vishnu
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Net Neutrality and Wikipedia

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

+1
On 17 Apr 2015 07:11, "Karthik Nadar"  wrote:

> I thought of requesting a banner (with consent and support from the wide
> community) in all sites of Wikimedia projects expressing support for Net
> Neutrality. In the link, we can explain people why Net Neutrality is
> important and why the Wikimedia community is supporting the cause.
>
> We can start creating the proposal to get the support from the community
> and then request WMF to assist us in banners across sites.
>
> The deadline for expressing support is 24 April 2015.
>
>
>
>
> Regards from Mumbai,
> Karthik Nadar.
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for highlighting this issue! Karthik. The proposal violate the
>> complete spirit of equality that Wikipedia promotes. Imho every
>> Wikipedia who believes in the Five Pillars is morally bound to
>> represent.
>>
>> So guys, I have represented in various ways. Have you?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Jayantilal Kothari
>>  wrote:
>> > To understand what exactly is net neutrality please watch this video.
>> >
>> > http://goo.gl/6KDcvV
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jayantilal
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Karthik Nadar <
>> karthik...@wikimedia.in>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> As Wikipedians, I'm not sure how many support Net Neutrality, but as
>> >> Netizens I'm sure most of them are supporting Net Neutrality.
>> >>
>> >> Considering 24 April 2015 is the last day to protest against telecoms
>> and
>> >> request TRAI to have to have relook onto the consultation paper, I
>> think
>> >> Wikipedia also stands as a major platform to lend support to all
>> Netizens
>> >> including ourselves.
>> >>
>> >> I do recollect how Wikipedia helped protest against SOPA and PIPA. I
>> think
>> >> this kind of protest will help the maximum community of Netizens as
>> whole.
>> >> Also, as Indian Wikipedians, we would grab some eyballs which would
>> have
>> >> impact on contributions to Wikimedia projects as well.
>> >>
>> >> I think Wikipedia, especially the English community should initiate a
>> >> discussion on how the community and contribute to create an impact in
>> India.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please note: Wikipedia Zero and Airtel Zero (just as an example) is all
>> >> together a different concept; where the first focuses on on giving
>> >> educational right to individuals and later to promote business of their
>> >> partners by various means (speeding their partners site, slowing down
>> >> competitors site and so on).
>> >>
>> >> FYI: Flipkart did withdrew from Airtel Zero lending your official
>> support
>> >> to Net Neutrality.
>> >>
>> >> Some more facts:
>> >>
>> >> * Net Neutrality in India Wikipedia article is seeing increase
>> everydays
>> >> in terms of views
>> >> * More than 4 lakhs emails has been sent to TRAI from
>> >> http://www.netneutrality.in/ alone
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Just imagine a day a paid encyclopedia loads faster in all ISPs then
>> >> Wikipedia." Do we want to see such a day?
>> >>
>> >> Regards from Mumbai,
>> >> Karthik Nadar.
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-ambassadors] User Research - sign-up to help out

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

FYI!
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Nick Wilson (Quiddity)" 
Date: 6 Jan 2015 00:45
Subject: [Wikitech-ambassadors] User Research - sign-up to help out
To: "Coordination of technology deployments across languages/projects" <
wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org>
Cc:

Hi all,
The Wikimedia Foundation's Design Research team,[1] Abbey Ripstra and Daisy
Chen, are looking for people to participate in research about editing.
They want to talk with both experienced editors and new editors to better
understand what you do, how you do it, what is difficult and what works
well with editing tools.
Currently, they're doing some hour-long research interviews over Google
Hangouts.
In the future, there will be other types of research programs, probably
including a card sorting task to determine how editing tools and tasks
could be organized to suit you best.

If you would like to hear about opportunities to participate in user-based
research, please sign up here:
https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_6R04ammTX8uoJFP
This is a small survey to fill out so the research team knows a little bit
about your experience level and how to contact you to invite you to
research.  You can always opt out again, and signing up does not obligate
you to participate.

Please pass this along. Thank you!

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Design/Research

-- 
Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is there some Wikimedia Project to host contents based on original research?

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

And/or wikisource if the content is released under free license(s).
On 5 Jan 2015 13:41, "Srikanth Ramakrishnan"  wrote:

> Hi Sucheta,
> I think WikiBooks and the Wikimedia Commons should ideally suffice in this
> scenario.
>
>
> On 5 January 2015 at 18:54, Tito Dutta  wrote:
>
>> Namaskar,
>> Sucheta,
>> Yes, Wikipedia does not allow original research.
>> You may check
>> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Original_research
>> I may try helping with MediaWiki-powered encyclopedia too, if needed.
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> On 5 January 2015 at 18:46, Sucheta Ghoshal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A few of my friends and I have been planning to document the history of
>>> counterculture in Bengali art and literature. These friends are also
>>> working in that domain professionally, and have access to a huge repository
>>> of texts, images, and other relevant details that they are willing to make
>>> available digitally in the form of free contents. We wish to have the
>>> contents as wikis, and, pictures and video snippets that might be involved
>>> - as properly licensed free materials. Now, the concern is if there is some
>>> Wikimedia Project that would host contents that are based on such an
>>> enormous amount of original research. Wikipedia is certainly not the
>>> appropriate place. And, as there exist no earlier works on this particular
>>> domain on the internet, references would be negligible. I was thinking
>>> about Wikibooks, instead. I am not entirely sure if that fits either, but I
>>> assume it fits better than Wikipedia, at least. The last option is to host
>>> it ourselves with the MediaWiki setup, and I am considering it very much.
>>> But, the idea essentially is to make people edit and enrich it with as much
>>> input as possible. It would be really helpful, in that case, if it could be
>>> placed in one of the Wikimedia projects. Suggestions, of every kind, would
>>> be deeply appreciated.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Sucheta
>>> --
>>> Sucheta Ghoshal
>>> Software Engineer, Editing
>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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> Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
> What goes around, may not necessarily come around, it may simply bounce
> back.
>
> Please sign this petition for Volvo buses in Coimbatore:
>
> https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell, Sowmyan !

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

You will certainly be missed Sowmyan! I've witnessed your way of working
and assisting communities and can endorse that hardly many people would do
that.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 25 Nov 2014 07:54, "Ravishankar Ayyakkannu" 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Please join me in wishing a fond farewell for Sowmyan as he is getting
> relieved from his role as an Executive Manager for Wikimedia India
> .
>
> His 40 years of experience and wisdom served the movement well when we
> were going through a crucial phase. Those who were closely involved with
> the chapter operations know that he went many miles beyond the call of his
> duty.
>
> Sowmyan has promised to serve the movement as a community member and I
> greatly look forward to it.
>
> Ravi
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: WMIN Elections 2014 - Results

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Congratulations to newly elected EC members.

Kind Regards,
Dhaval
On 23 Nov 2014 18:34, "Anivar Aravind"  wrote:

> FYI
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Anivar Aravind 
> Date: Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:02 AM
> Subject: WMIN Elections 2014 - Results
> To: Wikimedia Members List 
>
>
> Dear Members,
>
> We completed the election process for Wikimedia India Chapter Executive
> Committee (EC) Elections for year 2014 in today's Annual General Body
> Meeting. We are happy to announce the results of the Election.
>
> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014/Results
>  Total Open Positions  : 6 Total Eligible Voters  : 116 Total Candidates
>  : 13 Total Ballots Received : 65 (58 by Post and 8 by hand) , (53.03%
> Polling ) Total Valid Votes  : 65
>
> *Candidate- Votes polled*
>
>- Dr. Abhiraj Suryawanshi
>
>  :
>32
>- Priyanka Tiwari
>
> : 32
>- Yohann Varun Thomas
>  :
>32
>- Dr. Ekbal Bappukunju
>
> : 30
>- Sanket Oswal
>  :
>29
>- Nikhil Kawale
>  :
>28
>- Netha Hussain
>  :
>26
>- Karthik Nadar
>  :
>25
>- Yogesh Khandke
>  :
>25
>- Sibi Kanagaraj
>  :
>24
>- Viswanathan Prabhakaran
>
> 
> : 24
>- Hiran Venugopalan
>
> : 23
>- Dr. Mahesh Mangalat
>
> : 22
>
>
> Hence, following candidates are declared as elected to EC for the six
> vacant positions for term 2014-2016.
>
>- Dr. Abhiraj Suryawanshi
>
>  :
>32
>- Priyanka Tiwari
>
> : 32
>- Yohann Varun Thomas
>  :
>32
>- Dr. Ekbal Bappukunju
>
> : 30
>- Sanket Oswal
>  :
>29
>- Nikhil Kawale
>  :
>28
>
> We congratulate the elected candidates . We thank EC, all the candidates
> and members for active participation in the Election process.
>
> We thank the outgoing Executive Committee members for all their
> contributions. We wish the new EC all the best for growing the movement and
> the chapter in future.
>
> Sincerely,
> Anivar Aravind (Returning Officer) D.B Srinivas Rao (Polling Officer) Pavithra
> H (Polling Officer) Election Committee for EC Elections-2014 Wikimedia
> India Chapter
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Fwd: Grossly Obscene pornographic images on WIKIMEDIA.IN

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

This is little strange, I can understand that voting and nominations are
members only regime but why the community is not allowed to participate
even in Q&A is not clear to me.

If it is so, there should be no wiki page or onwiki discussion, or login
process on wikimedia.in should be membership number based.
On 5 Nov 2014 18:16, "Anivar Aravind"  wrote:

> Dear Srikanth,
>
> This is just trash . Ignore it .
> Engagement with WMIN Election process is limited to Chapter members  and
> mentioning membership No is mandatory for Q&A page . As per Elecom informed
> , non members cannot be allowed to engage with Election process. It is
> mentioned clearly in the page.
> Any questions without membership no will be reverted .
>
> ~ regards
> Anivar
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've got this mail six times in bcc.
>> Please look into it.
>> Any more mails of this nature will go into my trash bin.
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "IAC techs" 
>> Date: 05-Nov-2014 10:50 pm
>> Subject: Grossly Obscene pornographic images on WIKIMEDIA.IN
>> To: , 
>> Cc:
>>
>> REBLOGGED BY iacte...@gmail.com on behalf of India Against
>> Corruption's members who are users / editors of Wikipedia community
>>
>> This is a protest circulated against the strange decision by Anivar
>> Aravind to hastily close the Q&A session for candidates after IAC
>> poses uncomfortable queries from the "community"
>>
>> To: nethahuss...@gmail.com,  and other candidates and WMIN members.
>>
>> We notice that you are a member of the WIKIMEDIA.IN website and
>> actively promoting LGBT issues there including for your election
>> campaign.
>>
>> We suppose you know that at the present time "carnal intercourse
>> against the order of nature" is against India's laws, and distributing
>> grossly obscene / pornographic images of it via WIKIMEDIA.IN is a
>> serious criminal offence which IAC has reported to the concerned
>> agencies and is seriously prosecuting. IAC is also monitoring
>> WIKIMEDIA.IN to assist law enforcement agencies.
>>
>> This email is being sent to you as the illegally appointed returning
>> officer Anivar Aravind has deleted IAC's query for all candidates for
>> the WMIN EC vacancies (which was publicly posted to WIKIMEDIA.IN by
>> one of IAC's volunteers as a member of the "community").
>>
>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014/Nominations/Q%26A
>>
>>
>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/index.php?title=Elections2014%2FNominations%2FQ%26A&action=historysubmit&diff=35158&oldid=35146
>>
>> PS: And another editor was banned from WIKIMEDIA.IN for asking queries
>> on racism and discrimination against Indians at WIKIPEDIA, again by
>> Anivar who also refuses to publish the non-existent Karnataka Society
>> Rule 1961 to prevent community members posing queries (which actual
>> official rules can be accessed here)
>>
>> https://www.karnataka.gov.in/karigr/actsrules/karnatakasocietiesact.htm
>>
>> from which it is abundantly clear that you are ineligible to contest
>> elections and Anivar cannot conduct it.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Odia Wikisource goes live!

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Congratulations to Odiya Wiki community! A great Diwali Gift to the
community!
On 23 Oct 2014 07:04, "Subhashish Panigrahi" 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Odia Wikisource went live yesterday and is available at:
> https://or.wikisource.org. It was in the main Wikisource for about 1.9
> years and has an active community consisting 8 contributors. So far almost
> 3 books have been digitized. Recently  a few new contributors joined and
> are digitizing Odia Bhagabata.
>
> CIS-A2K congratulates the community and thank all the contributors,
> Wikimedia Language Committee, Wikimedia Foundation Board and all the
> Wikimedians who have helped to set up the wiki.
>
> A brief post on this:
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/21/more-than-40-million-people-await-the-launch-of-odia-wikisource/
>
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> Programme Officer, Access To Knowledge (CIS-A2K)
> Centre for Internet and Society
> @psubhashish
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Hindustani Music resource donation event - Mumbai

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Vishnu,

Excellent news! Much more in this direction needs to be done, glad that you
are working in getting content and that too of a different nature.

Best Regards,
Dhaval

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Vishnu  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> We are glad to invite you to join us for an event in Mumbai on October 7th
> where Pandita. Neela Bhagwat [1] will donate her comprehensive textual
> compilation of  Gwalior Gharana [2] bandishes.
>
> Timing: 5.30 to 7 pm
> Venue: Shivaji Park Nagarik Sangh, (hall next to Shivaji statue at Shivaji
> Park, Dadar)
>
> As some of you may know that Gwalior Gharana is one of the old traditions
> of Hindustani gayaki and like other gayaki's the tradition has been passed
> on orally in the guru-shishya parampara. Pt. Neela Bhagwat has over a
> period of 30 years (of learning and teaching music) meticulously compiled
> most of the Gwalior Gharana bandishes with notations and notes. Upon the
> request of CIS-A2K, she has agreed to donate this comprehensive collection
> which will be scanned and hosted on Wikisource. We hope that this will be
> of interest to music aficionados and those interested in the study of
> Hindustani Music.
>
> CIS-A2K is thankful to the event hosts, Khayal Trust. The event will
> attract a community of Hindustani music lovers and we hope to orient them
> to consider improving the quality of content on Hindustani music and
> musicians on Wikipedia during the event. We welcome the community members
> in Mumbai to join us in this effort. Please help spread the word.
>
> Best,
> Vishnu
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neela_Bhagwat
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwalior_gharana  (needs wiki love)
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Release of 105 books by Govt of Karnataka under CC-BY-SA

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Pavanaja,

If the books that are released under CC license contain works of Dr. B.R.
Ambedkar, it is a blunder and we should not support that or publicise it.
Editor of a book doesn't supersede. Copyrights of the original author, in
fact edited versions come under copyright of both, the author and editor
(of the compilation). In this case, though govt. decided to release their
book(s) under CC, Dr. Ambedkar's work still remains under copyright it not
being 60 years since his death.

I would suggest to take good legal advise on this matter before it is too
late.

BR,
Dhaval
On 25 Sep 2014 10:13, "Dr Pavanaja"  wrote:

> The books have this statement "ಈ ಆವೃತ್ತಿಯ ಹಕ್ಕು : ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಸರಕಾರ", which
> means Govt of Karnataka holds the copyright for this particular edition.
> GoK issued a statement releasing these books now under CC. I do agree that
> there can't be any copyright on texts of dasa sahitya, vachana sahitya and
> other classics which are quite old. The books now released by GoK also
> include some recent books which contains collections like complete works of
> Dr Ambedkar, essays on Ambedkar, research works on Kanaka dasa, etc. We
> should appreciate that officials at Kannada and Culture Dept of GoK have
> realised the importance of open knowledge philosophy and have agreed to
> release the books under CC. This will definitely help in convincing other
> departments, academies and universities to release their works under CC.
>
> Regards,
> Pavanaja
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Anivar Aravind 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Vishnu  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday 25 September 2014 11:19 AM, Rajesh Ranjan wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Anivar Aravind <
>>> anivar.arav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>


 On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Vishnu  wrote:

>  Dear Ravi,
>
> On the copyright question AFAIK...  it is the manner in which a
> certain content is expressed (e.g. analyzed, compiled, paginated,
> represented, etc..) the author could claim copyright, as there is a 
> certain
> basic amount of creative labour that went into it. So Govt. of Karnataka
> could rightfully copyright these works, which it has now released under
> CC-BY-SA 3.0. A useful thing to read in this context would be this [1].
>

  As Ravi pointed 11th Century Kannada literature is already public
 domain . There is no point in re-licensing it as CC-BY-SA .
  Digitization does not create fresh copyright . While thanking Govt
 for their efforts to make it available , please dont create fresh copyright
 on it . And while looking at details, There was no  point of time  in which
 govt of Karanataka had copyright on this content .

  This effort is almost in same lines of  Open access initiative of
 rare public domain books by Kerala Sahitya academy happened almost same
 time last year (
 http://www.keralasahityaakademi.org/online_library/index.html) . They
 havnt claimed any undeserving copyright on these books . SO it is better if
 people involved canm correct Govt of Karanataka at this point itself
 showing kerala example to avoid further ambiguities surrounding license .

  ~ regards
  Anivar


>>>
>>>  I agree with Ravi and Anivar!
>>>
>>>  I am not an expert of licensing, but the thing that is already in
>>> public domain, licensing the same under CC-BY-SA 3.0 is one way
>>> limiting the public availability of the same content.
>>>
>>>  Rajesh and Anivar,
>>>
>>> Purely from a copyright POV, it is important to recognize the idea -
>>> expression divide. The content per-se in this case may be public domain,
>>> but it is the expression of it that is copyrighted as I stated above.
>>> Especially, as I understand, the copyright act in India has bare minimum
>>> requirements for creative labour.
>>>
>>> But I am willing to be better educated on this.
>>>
>>>
>> In US copyright The Bridgeman v. Corel [1]case established, and several
>> other courts have followed, the principle that a "slavish copy" does not
>> have enough originality to warrant copyright protection. Skill in making
>> that copy, no matter how great it is (and we all know how difficult it can
>> be to make a good copy), also is not by itself "original" enough to warrant
>> copyright protection. we only need to care about the US law in this case
>> because content hosted is in wikimedia servers in US . AFAIK this does not
>> have  much conflicts with indian law too.
>>
>> Licensing this under creative commons is a copyright claim of public
>> domain works  even though spirit behind licensing is different. So my only
>> point is whoever working on this please correct it at this point itself by
>> giving proper credit (as Open access initiative of  kannada old classics )
>> by pointing examples like kerala sahitya academy's last year efforts.
>>
>> In india we anyway need to get more public instit

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Release of 105 books by Govt of Karnataka under CC-BY-SA

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Mani,

Digitised content would hold copyright for only that specific edition,
layout and formatting as well as any graphics added in it which is not
present in the original work. Content always remain free and in public
domain after 60 years of death of the original author.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 25 Sep 2014 08:20, "A. Mani"  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Anivar Aravind
>  wrote:
> > As Ravi pointed 11th Century Kannada literature is already public domain
> .
> > There is no point in re-licensing it as CC-BY-SA .
> > Digitization does not create fresh copyright . While thanking Govt for
> their
> > efforts to make it available , please dont create fresh copyright on it .
> > And while looking at details, There was no  point of time  in which govt
> of
> > Karanataka had copyright on this content .
>
>
> digitization does create copyright. Whatever mess they do, that belongs to
> them.
> We need it for proper attribution.
>
> The problem is severe in many historical/archaeological studies.
>
> People do not agree on symbols from Harappan studies for example.
>
>
>
> Best
>
> A. Mani
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Recruitment Announcement : Program Director of Wikimedia India Chapter

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Congratulations Ravi,

Wish you and the Chapter all success!

BR,
Dhaval
On 22 Sep 2014 02:10, "Ravishankar"  wrote:

> Hi Jayanta, Chapter EC and members, Nkansah, Vishnu, Arnav, Ansuman,
> Sanket, Yohann and Rahim,
>
> Thank you all for your wishes.
>
> Yes, this is User:Ravidreams :)
>
> You can find my contact info at
>
> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Staff
>
> Please stay tuned for more updates regarding programmatic activities from
> Wikimedia India Chapter.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ravi
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] New community nominations in place of absent invitees welcome

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Dear Hari Prasad,

Aren't festivals already listed on calendar? I have a couple of calendars
here in UK, which shows all the festivals for the whole year, one till
October this year (as that is when our Gujarati year ends) and another till
31st December. I can easily check on which date what festival falls. None
of the festivals have ever come as surprise to me. When I lived in India, I
still had such calendars. Not sure whether other parts of India has a
different system.

So yes, I plan my festivals in advance, by making myself aware of them.

Kind Regards,

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig 
wrote:

> On 21 September 2014 21:01, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> So far as I am aware, dates were advertised quite long ago and well
>> before some of the communities started discussing it (some communities
>> don't seem to have discussed) on their village pumps. If the dates were
>> known already and we all plan our holidays and festivals little bit in
>> advance, I am surprised to see this discussion revolving around dates and
>> time at this stage.
>>
> Planning holidays is fine, but planning festivals in advance? Seriously?
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] New community nominations in place of absent invitees welcome

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi All,

So far as I am aware, dates were advertised quite long ago and well before
some of the communities started discussing it (some communities don't seem
to have discussed) on their village pumps. If the dates were known already
and we all plan our holidays and festivals little bit in advance, I am
surprised to see this discussion revolving around dates and time at this
stage.

If we ever had any problem with dates or lack of time, we should have
raised our concerns 3 weeks ago. I also remember discussing it while in
wikimania that such consultation was being planned for the (then) next
month, which meant September, in fact we have got one extra week.

Can we please not complain about the things that missed to realise then and
focus on what needs discussing on those two days? Let us discuss the issues
our individual communities want the representatives to carry with them and
channelise our energy in that direction.

Kind Regards,
Dhaval
On 21 Sep 2014 13:31, "Hari Prasad Nadig"  wrote:

> Ravi,
>
> Going by what Asaf disclosed to me on an email off the list, the event was
> organized on these dates despite the knowledge of this major festival.
>
> I fail to see why it was done so in such hurried manner, whatever is the
> reasoning with respect to WMF travel schedule.
>
> Further, I was told that the dates were based on the communication from
> the EC (prior to the resignations). So, I checked with the former EC
> members who helped in communicating the possible dates and I was told that
> they were requested to choose between either the last week of September or
> the first week of October. They chose the latter as Sunil (of CIS) wasn't
> available for the former. There actually weren't other options based on
> what I'm being informed.
>
> I just don't understand why it is being pushed hastily like this. If it
> really is a "Community Consultation" and stands to be as important as it is
> made out to be, is it not fair to give it some time to get the required
> fair participation?
>
> Does this need to be done on a festival weekend when most community
> members will not be able to participate?
>
> My repeated requests for more transparency into all this by also making
> the conversations streamed online or making it available for others to
> participate isn't being heard at all, which is quite disappointing.
>
> My earlier comments on the whole exercise is here if anyone wishes to read
> it:
> http://bit.ly/Z4KnLL
>
> Cheers,
>
> On 19 September 2014 20:34, Ravishankar  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are just realizing that October 4th and 5th coincide with a festive
>> long week end. So, some members who have been earlier nominated and invited
>> by WMF are unable to attend the event.
>>
>> However, all communities are welcome to recommend nominations replacing
>> these invitees.
>>
>> Please nominate new names or recommend who is next in order to replace
>> the absent attendees
>>
>> Doing this in your community Village pump will make it easy to make a
>> quick decision.
>>
>> Also, for people who are near Bangalore or prefer to travel by rail /
>> road, WMF will be glad to reimburse the cost if you can arrange the travel
>> yourself.
>>
>> We don't have much time left. Best to do this before Saturday morning (in
>> Indian time).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Future of Work in India: Bangalore it is

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

My apologies Asaf and there is nothing to sympathise about.

Kind regards,
Dhaval
On 15 Sep 2014 19:23, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:

> Dhaval, please show a little more maturity and don't resort to dark
> insinuations.
>
> Everyone, what Dhaval meant to say was: "I am upset that the Foundation is
> only funding domestic travel to this consultation, as that prevents me from
> coming (from the UK), despite being one of the nominees of the Gujarati
> community."
>
> With that, I sympathize, but I'm afraid that's our decision.
>
> The Gujarati community will still have its voice heard, through the other
> nominees.
>
>A.
> On Sep 15, 2014 10:01 AM, "Dhaval S. Vyas"  wrote:
>
>> Which doesn't seem to be the case for Gujarati community anyways.
>> On 15 Sep 2014 17:54, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:
>>
>>> As I wrote originally, we'd ideally invite people nominated by their
>>> respective communities.  Those communities that have not managed to have a
>>> discussion and come up with nominated delegates will be represented by our
>>> best estimate, based on relevant background (like past service in the EC,
>>> in some cases, or past off-wiki programmatic activity), or on (admittedly
>>> crude) measures such as total edit count.
>>>
>>> I have, for example, personally invited the 5 most active editors on
>>> Marathi and Hindi Wikipedia to join us.
>>>
>>>A.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>>> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I meant that a few community members have been nominated by fellow
>>>> community members. This has happened without the said community member
>>>> knowing about it and that said nomination did not happened within language
>>>> community wikis.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> Pradeep Mohandas
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 14-Sep-2014, at 7:46, Abhinav Garule 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Ravi and Pradeep for clearing the doubts.
>>>> And yes keeping in mind, the logistics and other requirements Bangalore
>>>> is convinient location.
>>>>
>>>> @Pradeep:- I didn't get this
>>>>
>>>> There are a few people who have been nominated by other community
>>>> members and were neither self-nominated nor community nominated.
>>>>
>>>> So, Aren't  other community members part of community?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>>>> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi Abhinav,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think they asked for the community input to decide the
>>>>> location for the consultation, that seems to have sprung up on its own
>>>>> somehow. The idea was always that it would be in either of the two
>>>>> cities and people would be supported to come for the Consultation by
>>>>> the WMF if needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a few people who have been nominated by other community
>>>>> members and were neither self-nominated nor community nominated.
>>>>>
>>>>> warm regards,
>>>>> Pradep
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 September 2014 11:57, Abhinav Garule 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Dear Asaf,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Considering the vote count before the midnight of 10th of September
>>>>> Mumbai
>>>>> > was the prefrred location for meeting.
>>>>> > Vote count
>>>>> > Mumbai - 20
>>>>> > Bangalore - 18
>>>>> > (Before Midnight, 10th of Sept.)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > History:-
>>>>> >
>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India_Community_Consultation_2014&action=history
>>>>> > (*some votes added this morning)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And some Board Members (List) have casted their votes for the
>>>>> location.
>>>>> > Board Members Vote count
>>>>> > Bangalore:- 1
>>>>> > Mumbai:- 1
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And 2 Board Members are from Mumbai. So we can consider count for
>>>&g

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Future of Work in India: Bangalore it is

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Which doesn't seem to be the case for Gujarati community anyways.
On 15 Sep 2014 17:54, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:

> As I wrote originally, we'd ideally invite people nominated by their
> respective communities.  Those communities that have not managed to have a
> discussion and come up with nominated delegates will be represented by our
> best estimate, based on relevant background (like past service in the EC,
> in some cases, or past off-wiki programmatic activity), or on (admittedly
> crude) measures such as total edit count.
>
> I have, for example, personally invited the 5 most active editors on
> Marathi and Hindi Wikipedia to join us.
>
>A.
>
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I meant that a few community members have been nominated by fellow
>> community members. This has happened without the said community member
>> knowing about it and that said nomination did not happened within language
>> community wikis.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Pradeep Mohandas
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 14-Sep-2014, at 7:46, Abhinav Garule  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Ravi and Pradeep for clearing the doubts.
>> And yes keeping in mind, the logistics and other requirements Bangalore
>> is convinient location.
>>
>> @Pradeep:- I didn't get this
>>
>> There are a few people who have been nominated by other community
>> members and were neither self-nominated nor community nominated.
>>
>> So, Aren't  other community members part of community?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hi Abhinav,
>>>
>>> I don't think they asked for the community input to decide the
>>> location for the consultation, that seems to have sprung up on its own
>>> somehow. The idea was always that it would be in either of the two
>>> cities and people would be supported to come for the Consultation by
>>> the WMF if needed.
>>>
>>> There are a few people who have been nominated by other community
>>> members and were neither self-nominated nor community nominated.
>>>
>>> warm regards,
>>> Pradep
>>>
>>> On 12 September 2014 11:57, Abhinav Garule 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Dear Asaf,
>>> >
>>> > Considering the vote count before the midnight of 10th of September
>>> Mumbai
>>> > was the prefrred location for meeting.
>>> > Vote count
>>> > Mumbai - 20
>>> > Bangalore - 18
>>> > (Before Midnight, 10th of Sept.)
>>> >
>>> > History:-
>>> >
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India_Community_Consultation_2014&action=history
>>> > (*some votes added this morning)
>>> >
>>> > And some Board Members (List) have casted their votes for the location.
>>> > Board Members Vote count
>>> > Bangalore:- 1
>>> > Mumbai:- 1
>>> >
>>> > And 2 Board Members are from Mumbai. So we can consider count for
>>> Mumbai as
>>> > 3.
>>> >
>>> > Kindly consider it as query regarding Preferred Location for meeting
>>> and let
>>> > us know your views on it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>>> > Abhinav Garule.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Asaf Bartov 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hello, everyone.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is to inform everyone that the community consultation planned
>>> for Oct
>>> >> 4th-5th will be held in Bangalore.
>>> >>
>>> >> See here:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Community_Consultation_2014#Venue_choice
>>> >>
>>> >> I will be following up in the coming day or so with more information
>>> on
>>> >> confirmed attendees, taking community nominations into account.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >>
>>> >>Asaf
>>> >> --
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>>> >>
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>>> the
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>>> >
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>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Wikimedia India Chapter: Current state of affairs

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

I am a member of WMUK and have never seen board members or EC consulting
community before they travel abroad. I don't think it is necessary for them
to consult community on each and every matter. So far as I am aware WMIN's
accounts are audited annually and these expenses must be audited. Also,
accounts submitted to WMF as well where if any amount is spent out of the
scope it will be questioned.

I am not sure whether what Sudhanwa is asking on people's behalf is a
requirement for any other chapter or organisation funded by WMF.

Regards,
Dhaval
 On 11 Sep 2014 10:41, "Ravishankar"  wrote:

> Hi Sudhanwa,
>
> Wikimedia India Chapter is an independent organization and we (the
> community) should let it work with at least some level of autonomy.
>
> Oher agencies like WMF, CIS have more liberty due to their organizational
> structure.
>
> In the name of accountability, if we are going to raise questions like
> these, no chapter can make decisions in good faith and act efficiently.
>
> The larger Wikimedia community that works directly on Wikimedia websites
> and towards it's mission offline can be considered it's stakeholders.
>
> The chapter can inform this part of the stakeholders through its annual /
> half yearly / monthly reports and we have every right to demand such
> reports and participate during FDC requests.
>
> But, micro managing like this is not going to help.
>
> If we need better governance, we need to become members of the chapter and
> raise such questions as a member.
>
> And that too, we can discuss in Chapter Wiki or Meta (if appropriate).
>
> Every year, tens of people from India attend Wikimania and other national
> level events. They are not expected to submit any kind of reports. Don't we
> trust that these visits will help the larger movement in some way?
>
> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Many user groups instead of One Chapter?

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

+1
On 7 Sep 2014 07:53, "Vikram Vincent"  wrote:

> HI,
>
> On 7 September 2014 11:38, Pradeep Mohandas 
> wrote:
>
>> I meant that the SIG system is similar to the User Group system. In the
>> SIG affiliation is to the Chapter and in the User Group, the affiliation
>>  is to WMF directly.
>>
>> The need for direct affiliation is felt because the Chapter does not seem
>> to be democratic (as you call it). Otherwise, the SIG would be a useful
>> model to have.
>>
>
> Whether you acknowledge it or not, the Chapter is the democratically
> elected body {by, of, for} the community and as long as it has such a
> structure there is always scope to improve.  The SIG will function well as
> long as it works from within the chapter instead of trying to bypass the
> chapter.  User groups and SIG are not the same as they have different
> functions.  User groups are generic and can accommodate everybody whereas
> Special Interest Groups have special interests as the name says. So the
> user group and SIG activities should flow into the Chapter activities
> rather than try to divorce each from the other.  This democratic structure
> and functioning has worked well for FSMK, FSFTN, Swecha, FSMM and other
> bodies affiliated to FSMI.
> Regards
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Wikimedia India Chapter affairs

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

A question emerges from below: was there any news or indication of hiring
anybody by WMIN?

Regards,
Dhaval
On 29 Aug 2014 19:06, "Sudhanwa Jogalekar"  wrote:

> If I may add, current EC should stop making any major decisions like
> hiring people.
> Just focus on the regulatory matters and the pending deadlines like FDC
> etc.
>
> -Sudhanwa
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar
>  wrote:
> > Dear Jayanta,
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Jayanta Nath 
> wrote:
> >> As you may be aware, two members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia
> >> Chapter India have submitted their resignations with immediate effect.
> >> However, there has been not any internal action or response or a call
> notice
> >> for an urgent Teleconference for further discussion on possible actions
> from
> >> the remaining office bearers namely the Secretary and Treasurer.
> >
> > There is hardly any activity by EC in the last few months. Being EC
> > member, you may be knowing this better and the reasons for it.
> >
> > At least I am not expecting anything to happen  from the secretary or
> > treasurer. As an EC member, you can take up initiative.
> >
> >>
> >> Wikimedia India Chapter is going through a critical phase with several
> >> important and crucial decisions and deadlines pending. The surprising
> >> resignations from two board members at this juncture has made this a
> complex
> >> affair. We have very important timelines and deadlines to be complied
> with,
> >> in the coming few days.
> >
> > The timelines and deadlines are known to EC for quite some time. Why
> > no action has been taken so far?
> >
> >>
> >> Due to the above critical situation, a resolution has been put forth
> within
> >> the official Internal Wiki (board members' wiki) on whether to accept or
> >> reject the resignations.
> >>
> >> One of us from the EC will be informing you of the decision output of
> this
> >> resolution duly.
> >
> > Nothing much can be done about resignations. Moksh has some good
> > reasons to quit. Pranav's resignation is a joke. In any case, he was
> > going to be out of EC after the elections that are supposed to happen
> > in just a few weeks. As such, his resignation does not make any sense.
> > Probably, just an excuse to get away from the accountability and
> > responsibilities.
> >
> > In any case, the current EC has the responsibility to face the members
> > and give them a complete and clear picture.
> >
> > Regards
> > -Sudhanwa
> >
> >
> >> This is for your general information.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jayanta Nath
> >> EC Member
> >> Wikimedia India
> >>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On CIS's grants request from Wikimedia Foundation

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

" Talking about bad precedents, the CIS partnership is itself one such bad
precedent which is evident from the fact that WMF won't be repeating this
model of partnerships in future. "
+1+1+1+1000

"The only way to gain the trust of the community is to make an exeption and
share this contract with the community. If not in public, at least in
private communication with other important stakeholders in the community.
(Say WMIN and FDC)."
+1

"If WMF is unable to make this exception, then their exception making CIS
eligible for FDC through a board resolution can only be seen as a bias."
+1
On 17 May 2014 06:39, "Ravishankar"  wrote:

> Vishnu,
>
> //Other than the 2 year Grant Agreement CIS has not signed any other
> separate MoU with WMF.//
>
> I checked with the WMF Grants team if the grant agreement I have signed
> with them is confidential.
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:PEG/Ravidreams_-_Tamil_Wikimedians/TamilWiki_10_years#Is_the_grant_agreement_confidential.3F
>
> Their response doesn't hint at legal contracts, confidentiality, bad
> precedents etc., and instead I get gladly pointed to a sample grant
> agreement.
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Example_project_grant_agreement_for_groups_and_organizations
>
> The example grant agreement notes as follows:
>
> //This type of grant agreement is used by WMF to make grants to both
> incorporated nonprofit organizations and nonincorporated groups. Some
> requirements in the agreement are specific to organizations and other
> requirements are specific to groups//
>
> I assume CIS comes under nonprofit organizations group as defined above.
>
> You say that CIS has not signed any other contract besides the 2 year
> grant agreement but Asaf repeatedly uses the word "contract" in his
> explanation at
>
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-November/010603.html
>
> //"We (i.e. WMF) will not be sharing that agreement, on principle: not
> because there's anything secret or damning in it, but because we do not
> want to create a misleading precedent that may set the expectation that all
> WMF contracts are subject to community review. This isn't, and cannot be,
> the case. We likewise do not expect Chapters or other partners to publicly
> share contracts...".//
>
> Given the context that you are a working partner of WMF, then we have to
> assume that this grant agreement is your contract defining the terms and
> conditions of your working relationship with WMF.
>
> So, please let us not use the misleading term grant agreement for this
> document you have signed with WMF.
>
> Talking about bad precedents, the CIS partnership is itself one such bad
> precedent which is evident from the fact that WMF won't be repeating this
> model of partnerships in future.
>
> The only way to gain the trust of the community is to make an exeption and
> share this contract with the community. If not in public, at least in
> private communication with other important stakeholders in the community.
> (Say WMIN and FDC).
>
> If WMF is unable to make this exception, then their exception making CIS
> eligible for FDC through a board resolution can only be seen as a bias.
>
> It is not the questions you choose to answer that boosts the trust but the
> questions you choose to ignore and choose to remain silent that reduces the
> trust.
>
> * What are the terms and conditions of your working relationship with WMF?
> * What is the exit clause?
> * Were you asked to work on specific programs like Wikipedia education
> programs which you sell to naive communities as their needs?
>
> These are some important questions that are left unanswered.
>
> I wouldn't blame CIS. In fact, as you have mentioned in many places, you
> are way more transparent and responsive than WMF and I genuinely appreciate
> your effort and patience.
>
> It is sad and ironic that WMF chooses to work this way. WMF is noble in
> their mission of increasing global south participation but they are failing
> miserably in executing it.
>
> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On CIS's grants request from Wikimedia Foundation

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Dear Vishnu,

There was nothing personal in my email and neither I demanded any
justification. What I expressed was my feeling regarding the trust in the 2
entities. Re-reading the quote of Asaf has not changed and I don't think
reading it over and over again is ever going to change my perception. Yes,
one thing is sure that more I read this quote, more I tend to lose the
trust (though i have no trust in it any more).

This quote and few other things relating to that have already been
discussed a few times so I am not going to start the discussion over it.

I still maintain my untrust on WMF, which certainly is not going to matter
to WMF at all me being a tiny fish in the vast ocean of cor ocean of
WMF.

Dhaval
On 15 May 2014 13:22, "Vishnu"  wrote:

>
> On Wednesday 14 May 2014 08:17 PM, Ravishankar wrote:
>
>> So, I would like to know if you have signed a separate MoU or some sort
>> of lgeal contract that defines the terms and conditions of working
>> relationship with WMF apart from the grant agreement.
>>
> Dear Ravi, Hari and Dhaval,
>
> Other than the 2 year Grant Agreement CIS has not signed any other
> separate MoU with WMF.
>
> Asaf has explained in detail on this list as to why this Grant Agreement
> is not being shared publicly. I am quoting him here again "We (i.e. WMF)
> will not be sharing that agreement, on principle: not because there's
> anything secret or damning in it, but because we do not want to create a
> misleading precedent that may set the expectation that all WMF contracts
> are subject to community review. This isn't, and cannot be, the case. We
> likewise do not expect Chapters or other partners to publicly share
> contracts...".
>
> Please see his posting here http://lists.wikimedia.org/
> pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-November/010603.html
>
> Best,
> Vishnu
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On CIS's grants request from Wikimedia Foundation

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Ravi,

Will you consider rephrasing below?

" By keeping things confidential like this, both you and WMF risk losing
the trust of the community without which you cannot guarantee successful
completion of your goals. "

Especially "risk losing"...

I have ALREADY LOST trust in the later at least and losing it in the former
gradually. If I were to write, I would say, "...both you and WMF 'ARE'
loosing..."

Anyways, that's my personal perception.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 14 May 2014 17:50, "Ravishankar"  wrote:

> Vishnu,
>
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/India_Program_Announcement_and_FAQ_-_30_July_2012#Did_the_grant_go_through_the_Wikimedia_Grants_Program_process.3F
>
> asks
>
> //Did the grant go through the Wikimedia Grants Program process?//
>
> and answers as folows:
>
> "No, *this first one* did not. This arrangement is a partnership in
> addition to a project grant."
>
> If that was the first grant, were consequent terms for grants promised in
> any way (written or unwritten understanding)?
> The above link and recent WMF board resolution about your eligibility to
> get funds through FDC  at
>
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:FDC_recognition_for_the_Centre_for_the_Internet_and_Society
>
> make it clear that you are a working partner of WMF besides being a grant
> receiver.
>
> Many Wikimedia affiliates and community members sign grant agreements with
> WMF. There is nothing in those grant agreements which is not already
> discussed in META to keep them confidential.
>
> So, I would like to know if you have signed a separate MoU or some sort of
> lgeal contract that defines the terms and conditions of working
> relationship with WMF apart from the grant agreement.
>
> For example, inheriting the work force of former WMF India programs was
> one obvious condition to get the grant.
>
> I am looking for an MoU like the one you signed with Goa University (
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzHXxJd1jwTeMnZHNVFyTWVncFU/edit ) which
> clearly defines that the partnership is for 3 years and that either party
> can exit with one month's notice.
>
> The duration of the first grant is different from the duration of your
> working partnership.
>
> Please let me know if such exit clause for your working partnership with
> WMF exists.
>
> I am aware that WMF wants to keep these things confidential.
>
> But, please understand that CIS is the first organization / working
> partner of WMF that is entering the FDC process when WMF has no clear
> guidelines for grant making to non-Wikimedia affiliates.
>
> By keeping things confidential like this, both you and WMF risk losing the
> trust of the community without which you cannot guarantee successful
> completion of your goals.
>
> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia affiliate in Pakistan

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Great news Saqib,

Congratulations to the Wiki movement in Pakistan that is culminating in
user group! Also, thanks to Karthik and WMIN for supporting our neighbour.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 3 May 2014 09:21, "Saqib Qayyum"  wrote:

> My dear Indian fellows,
>
> Namaste and As-salamu alaykum!
>
> I would like to inform you guys that Wikimedia's Affiliation Committee has
> recently reviewed our application to become an approved Wikimedia user
> group and decided to give our planned user group the official recognition.
> However, we've not yet signed the user group agreement as we're still
> awaiting for it.
>
> I would like to personally thanks Wikimedia Indian chapter and especially
> Karthik Nadar who has been very helpful and supporting throughout the
> process.
>
> We've plans to arrange many off wiki activities such as photo contests
> (WLM, Wikipedia Takes the City), and other public outreach events to
> publicise and promote Wiki movement in Pakistan. We're looking forward to
> co-ordinate, co-operate and work with your well organised Indian chapter.
>
>
> With my warm regards,
>
> Saqib
>
> On behalf of,
>
> Wikimedia Community User Group Paklistan
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikipedia-gu] Attn: Wikisource communities - Don't waste your time typing text. Get paid.

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Dear Kartikbhai,

That is not the proposal by Gujarati wiki community, it is from CIS. Also,
if you notice, in that proposal, there is no payment to the community, who
will really be putting pain in digitising/uploading/typing/correcting the
content. And on the contrary, CIS staff will be paid a reasonable share
from the grant.

I have my name mentioned in that proposal, for which I have to had provide
declaration on a discussion page of CIS's grant application. I am on my
mobile at the moment so can't find the link to it to share. If anyone wants
to see my comment, let me know and I will share the link.

Yes, of course, the idea on which CIS has built the proposal was from me,
but I had only spoken once soon after wikimenia and then came to know about
proposal just when it was ready. I have had no more involvement in that
proposal apart from initial idea, which was jointly shared by Sushant
Savla, a fellow admin on gu.wikisource.

Dhaval
On 2 May 2014 04:33, "Kartik Mistry"  wrote:

> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
> > Please visit the link in below email, where Wikimedia Foundation (shortly
> > known as WMF) is suggesting that they are funding (in simpler term
> paying)
> > for content upload. This is the task that we all are doing free of cost
> so
> > far. Because you have uploaded hundreds (may be thousands) of pages so
> far
> > as we have created 50+ books on gu.wikisource, all our efforts will be
> paid
> > now by WMF (in fact should have been paid so far as well). If you have
> any
> > doubt, reach out to User:Bluerasberry and User:Ijon on meta
> > (meta.wikimedia.org). Asaf (User:Ijon) clearly suggests that Bots are
> under
> > the paid activity considered by WMF.
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q2c
>
> Already in progress:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/100_Books_on_Gujarati_Wikisource
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Attn: Wikisource communities - Don't waste your time typing text. Get paid.

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Thank you Ravi for making us aware that WMF is happily funding content
generation (or in nicer term Content upload) as Asaf from WMF and User Blue
Rasberry have suggested. This is a great news for my Gujarati wikisource
community, whom I am including in this reply.

Dear Gujarati Wiki Community,

Please visit the link in below email, where Wikimedia Foundation (shortly
known as WMF) is suggesting that they are funding (in simpler term paying)
for content upload. This is the task that we all are doing free of cost so
far. Because you have uploaded hundreds (may be thousands) of pages so far
as we have created 50+ books on gu.wikisource, all our efforts will be paid
now by WMF (in fact should have been paid so far as well). If you have any
doubt, reach out to User:Bluerasberry and User:Ijon on meta (
meta.wikimedia.org). Asaf (User:Ijon) clearly suggests that Bots are under
the paid activity considered by WMF.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q2c

Get as much benefit you get of WMF's this offer.

Hi Asaf,

Can the  community claim back the money that would have hypothetically been
paid to if they applied for the grant before they started uploading the
content of rare literature?


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Poor volunteers of the global Wikisource communities,
>
> Don't waste your time typing text. Get paid or hire staff to do the work.
>
> For more details, see
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q2c
>
> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] A campaign for stopping donations to Wikimedia

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Kevin,

// Looking at the table, it looks like CIS-A2K's total staff budget is a
little shy of $300k a year.  The FDC is currently handing out what, $6m USD
a year?  Even if CIS was entirely funded out of the FDC (and it isn't,
their APG request is for less than $300k,) that's pretty much a drop in the
bucket of available funds.//

Do you suppose that because WMF & FDC operate in currency called USD, which
has a reasonably high value in Forex market than the currency called INR,
in which this grant is going to be utilised, makes it valid to fund in
unethical way? I work in a huge company who outsources its work to India
and Poland just for the fact that salary structures and costs are quite low
in those countries.

I can't buy your argument, with all due respect to your experience and
knowledge, that because it is insignificant ammount, WMF should not think
about unreasonable salaries. If that is the point, when WMIN's grant was
reviewed, why was this point forgotten? Or are you advising that at that
time WMF did not hand out such huge (6 million USD) a year?

Dhaval
On 30 Apr 2014 16:36, "Kevin Gorman"  wrote:

> Like Gerard, I'm quite confused at the purpose of trying to get people to
> stop donating to the Wikimedia Foundation, and am a bit disappointed to see
> such a suggestion coming from someone who holds advanced rights on some of
> the projects. I also note that the response of CIS-A2K's executive director
> notes that if it is determined there is a problem in terms of their salary
> structure, it is one he wants to address, even if it may take some time to
> do so because he (reasonably, imo) doesn't want to cut the salaries of
> current employees steeply.  Looking at the table, it looks like CIS-A2K's
> total staff budget is a little shy of $300k a year.  The FDC is currently
> handing out what, $6m USD a year?  Even if CIS was entirely funded out of
> the FDC (and it isn't, their APG request is for less than $300k,) that's
> pretty much a drop in the bucket of available funds.
>
> It's been made clear that just because CIS may be awarded funds doesn't
> mean that WMIN won't also be awarded funds, and that the entities aren't in
> direct competition with each other.  Trying to do something like get people
> to boycott donating to the WMF because CIS is asking for a fraction of a
> percent of WMF's total budget and something like 5% of available FDC funds
> to be given to them is pointless if you don't succeed and shooting yourself
> in the foot if you do succeed.  If you were partially successful, your own
> funding in future years would likely be diminished due to less overall
> availability of funds, and if you were fully successful... well, Wikipedia
> wouldn't exist.
>
> Best,
> Kevin Gorman
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 1:50 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> What is unclear in the response of Asaf that there is no relation between
>> the money received by CIS and the Indian chapter? There is no rupee less
>> available to India when either CIS or the Indian chapter gets less money.
>> When you spoil it for CIS, you spoil it for India.
>>
>> When the Indian chapter finds it in itself to cooperate with CIS, the
>> likelyhood is that it will inherit its programs and budget at the end of
>> its run. With your campaign to stop asking people to donate to the WMF, you
>> spoil it for both. It is NOT a zero sum game and you have everything to
>> lose. This is a great way to lose everything..
>>
>> Ravi what is your motivation, how do you gain?
>> Thanks,
>>   GerardM
>>
>>
>> On 30 April 2014 10:07, Ravishankar  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> CIS-A2K has officially stated that it won't fix their erratic salary
>>> structure.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Reply_about_salary_structure
>>>
>>> Why should Wikimedia donors pay for the mistakes of the WMF?
>>>
>>> I am thinking if we should start campaigning asking people not to donate
>>> to WMF citing wasteful expenditures like these.
>>>
>>> Please point if any such campaign already exists.
>>>
>>> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Gerard,

The discussion, if I am not mistaking, is on paid staffs from India
involved with indic wiki, while you're replying with your experience of
Netherland and also admit that you have no Idea of it in Indian context. Do
you think that your reply here does help readers in getting the issue
clearer? I really failed to link it with the topic even after reading it 3
times.

Also, you have mentioned that "real problem is its people" would you please
elaborate more on this without mentioning Wikidata or Netherland in your
explanation as you referred to people of India, not of Netherland. I have
felt it insulting for Indians and to me being of Indian origin and
contributor of Indic wiki, who had worked hard to get gu.ws out of
incubator.

Dhaval
On 30 Apr 2014 21:10, "Gerard Meijssen"  wrote:

> Hoi,
> I am saying neither. When I describe the efforts by the paid staff of the
> Dutch chapter, I find that they are really dedicated and deal with complex
> issues where many people and organisations are involved. It takes a deep
> understanding and availability in time and is very much supportive of what
> the volunteers do.
>
> This does not detract from the volunteers one bit, they are in fact
> supported by the efforts from the Dutch chapter. The efforts by the paid
> staff is very much concentrated on the things that the volunteers do not
> take up. Consequently things get done and, that is what counts.
>
> The volunteers are very dedicated in the things they do. The Dutch
> volunteers brought you "Wiki loves monuments" for instance :)
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
>
> On 30 April 2014 21:53, Karthik Nadar  wrote:
>
>> Hi Gerard,
>>
>>
>>> "/ It takes a full time effort of very dedicated people."
>>
>>
>> I understand two points from this: 1. Either you say that the volunteer
>> community here is not dedicated?? 2. Or either the paid community is not
>> dedicated.
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm, that's because you are going
>> off-topic.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Karthik Nadar.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ravi,
>>> When I observe the activities of the Dutch chapter I find that they take
>>> up things that volunteers are not able to.  They are things that are often
>>> complex and take a large network. What the Dutch chapter does for GLAM is
>>> much more than reaching out to individual GLAM institutions. It takes a
>>> full time effort of very dedicated people.
>>>
>>> Your assumption that it is about building a better Wikipedia indicates
>>> to me how limited your notion is about what it takes to "share in the sum
>>> of all knowledge".
>>>
>>> I do not know CIS enough to categorically state that they are in the
>>> same league. What I have seen is however encouraging. What I do know and I
>>> said it before, the challenges to bring the sum of all knowledge to India
>>> is overwhelming. The biggest challenge apparently is people.
>>> Thanks,
>>>   GerardM
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 April 2014 10:02, Ravishankar  wrote:
>>>
 Vishnu,

 Volunteers come and volunteers go. That is the nature of the movement.

 Do you propose to build a better Wikipedia with paid staff?

 Please try.

 Ravi

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] The story of great Indian WMF outsourcing, few blind people and an elephant

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Gerard,

I hope you had noticed the subject of this email at least before you pushed
the "play" button of your wikidata tape.

I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stick to the topic of discussion, if has
no time to read the email he/she can easily get the topic from looking at
the subject, and not start irrelevant emails with wikidata's development.

If you have anything to say on Ravi's topic in straightforward way, please
do so.

Hi Ravi,

I echo your feelings regarding India being treated as a ground to
experiment. I hope from the discussions we had a couple of years ago on IP,
EduWiki program and recent ones on CIS-A2K would pass this message to WMF
that their experiments in "too big, too diverse, too different" country are
failures and they may decide to utilise the "drop from their ocean"
elsewhere in more productive way for which donors have contributed to the
movement's fund.

Dhaval
On 30 Apr 2014 13:01, "Gerard Meijssen"  wrote:

> Hoi,
> I am a Wikimedian and have been for a very long time. Check my record and
> you will find that I have always been involved in both language support and
> projects like Wiktionary, OmegaWiki, Wikidata, Reasonator.
>
> Today new functionality has gone life on Wikidata that was expected for
> over half a year. Because of this the Marwari language is now supported in
> Wikidata. I blogged about this [1]. Other languages will follow soon. This
> policy was discussed with people from India in the past and they saw it as
> an appropriate strategy to start building information resources in a
> language prior to a Wikipedia or another WMF project.
>
> India is big and it is foolish to forget context and not seek support and
> second opinions when people in India are likely to benefit directly. On the
> other hand, you can bring a horse to water, you cannot make it drink. When
> I blogged about an enhancement to the search functionality on the Telugu
> Wikipedia [2], it should be obvious that added value will only be found
> when people add labels in Telugu to Wikidata. It is gratifying that labels
> have been added. This is not an experiment as traffic details from the
> Tamil and Persian Wikipedia indicate it as a successful strategy.
>
> I am not involved in Indian politics. Obviously. I am however improving
> information about the current members of the Lok Sabha. I  added that Mr
> Modi is the incumbent prime minister of Gujarati state in Wikidata. I have
> blogged about one member of the Lok Sabha and I am likely to do so again.
> My objective is to get labels in all the languages of India for all of them
> and I will not be the one doing that. My hope is that information is
> readily available on Indian politics and its politicians.
>
> What we will gain out of it is a better understanding on how such projects
> work. A much bigger challenge are the elections of South Africa. What we
> may gain out of it is that Wikidata becomes a platform where this type of
> information is available. Much of the information in Wikidata finds its
> origin in Wikipedia. It is because of the hard work in the English
> Wikipedia that we are able to add information. The point however is that
> information can become available in every other language. That is not an
> experiment, it is a fact.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
>
> [1]
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/04/wikidata-marwari-language-from-india.html
> [2]
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/04/wikipedia-search-for-in-telugu.html
>
>
> On 30 April 2014 10:00, Ravishankar  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As I engaged in the discussion regarding CIS grant proposal for the last
>> two weeks, I had this recurring theme echoed from various corners.
>>
>> "India is big. India is diverse. India is unlike other countries. So,
>> experiments (call it innovation) need to be done".
>>
>> For the love of Wiki God, may I request all the global people  to stop
>> experiementing with India?
>>
>> *People from outside have no clue of India. And the people they hire in
>> India have no clue of the Wikimedia movement. *
>>
>> Ultimately, it has become like few blind people describing an elephant.
>>
>> Heck, all the community members know it is an elephant and know it takes
>> time to grow an elephant. The growth of an elephant can only be on par with
>> the ecosystem within which it is present.
>>
>> No amount of systematic intervention is going to change a donkey into an
>> elephant.
>>
>> I am tired of seeing experiments being done in naive and tiny Indic
>> communities and the "lessons learnt" being implemented in Brazil, Egypt and
>> Arab world. Be it Google or be it WMF or its avatars.
>>
>> May I request that you do your experiments elsewhere for a change and
>> implement things that work for sure in India organically?
>>
>> The reason why English Wikipedia community flourishes in India, Tamil /
>> Bengali / Malayalam communities do well relatively are complete socio
>> economic and political. No amount of intervention is going to chan

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Thank you Asaf for correcting my facts.

When I said WMIN was denied funding, It was obvious that I was referring to
the large chunk of budget that was denied and didn't mean that "no funding
was approved". I am glad to see your reply to Gerald's question that I
attempted to answer, which you found objectionable.

And thank you for acknowledging my weakness as volunteer, I do not get paid
to make edits on wiki and to reply to this email threat unlike other direct
or indirect beneficiaries of the WMF money, and hence appreciate your
patience in correcting my facts, which ultimately helps me to gain more
knowledge. Please bear with my second hand information until my time is
paid.

Thanks once again,
Dhaval
On 28 Apr 2014 20:18, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
>
>> Hi Gerard,
>>
>> I know a chapter in Europe, where probably you come from, which doesn't
>> depend on WMF's grant or funds as it has raised a huge amount on its own.
>> That chapter, WMUK, is still considered WMF chapter if I am not mistaking.
>>
> This is incorrect.   The majority of funds raised by WMUK was raised via
> the annual wiki-banner-based fundraiser, and is movement funding, granted
> to WMUK via the FDC process.
>
>> Also, the need for WMIN to raise its own funds has arisen because of
>> WMF's FDC's decision to not fund it and fund another private organisation.
>>
> This is also incorrect.  The FDC _did_ recommend to fund WMIN this year,
> albeit at a much reduced amount[1].  While this is no doubt disappointing
> to WMIN, it is funding nonetheless, and is at a scale similar to the
> funding WMIN had received this past year via the Project and Event Grants
> (PEG) program[2][3].   And the FDC has _not_ funded another organization
> (yet).  It is currently evaluating a proposal by another organization --
> CIS -- but whatever it decides regarding this proposal, it is entirely
> independent of its decisions, present and future, about proposals from WMIN.
>
> Crucially, the funding CIS is applying to receive (and has been receiving
> in the past grant), is _by no means_ at the expense of WMIN, nor vice
> versa.  There is enough money to fund both organizations' work in India, to
> the degree they propose compelling program plans.
>
> This is not a zero-sum game, and money granted to organization A is not at
> the expense of organization B.  While the total "envelope" of funds the FDC
> has to allocate is finite, it has never been the case so far that
> organization A was short-changed despite a compelling plan because money
> has run out due to funding organization B.
>
>> I hope this helps you to understand what's being discussed.
>>
> Actually, these repeated half-truths are no doubt making it more difficult
> for those reading these discussions to understand.  I recognize that you
> are all volunteers and don't have the time (or inclination) to closely
> follow the Annual Plan Grants (FDC) process or to double-check your
> statements about what past practice has been, and I gladly undertake to
> provide accurate information where corrections are needed.  But I would
> encourage you all to either make more of an effort to get your facts right
> in advance of making a statement (rather than relying on second-hand
> accounts), _or_ to favor asking questions to making assertions, to avoid
> misleading responses such as the one above.  (I allege no bad faith here,
> of course!)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Asaf
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2013-2014_round1
> [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/WM_IN/Program_Grant_Quarter_1_2013
> [3]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/WM_IN/Program_Grant_April_December_2013
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Gerard,

I know a chapter in Europe, where probably you come from, which doesn't
depend on WMF's grant or funds as it has raised a huge amount on its own.
That chapter, WMUK, is still considered WMF chapter if I am not mistaking.

Also, the need for WMIN to raise its own funds has arisen because of WMF's
FDC's decision to not fund it and fund another private organisation.

I hope this helps you to understand what's being discussed.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 28 Apr 2014 08:16, "Gerard Meijssen"  wrote:

> Hoi,
> Independence is just that. When you can get money when you focus on
> certain goals, you will when you do. When you want to go a different route,
> you may but that is your route and funding for it is your responsibility as
> well.
>
> Given what a chapter is, I would expect that it has ample scope to explore
> its own territory and seek its own priorities. My question is, when a
> chapter moves outside of what WMF / FDC is funding, to what extend is it
> still and does it deserve to be the chapter of the WMF?
> Thanks,
>   Gerard
>
>
> On 28 April 2014 08:51, Gautam John  wrote:
>
>> On 18 April 2014 12:03, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>>
>> > This is in response to WMIN not being granted the full amount it has
>> > requested via the Annual Plan Grants process[1].  Since funds are
>> available
>> > relatively plentifully at the movement level, and since WMF is
>> strategically
>> > interested in promoting the mission in India, I would argue a better
>> (and
>> > easier!) solution would be to address the likely sources of misalignment
>> > between WMIN's expectations and thinking and those of WMF and the
>> FDC[2].
>>
>> In general, are Chapters expected to focus on what the goals of the
>> WMF and FDC are? Or are they free to chart their own course about
>> things that they believe are important to the geographies they serve?
>> And if they don't toe the WMF/FDC policy/strategy line then they don't
>> get money? How does this foster any sort of independence?
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Re: [Wikipedia-gu] Urdu Wikipedia crosses the 50, 000 mark

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Thank you Subhashish for the clarification,

I saw Muzammil using @cis-india.org email address and hence considered him
CIS employee. It seems that the organisational emails are provided to ex
employees as legacy or it might be my mistake in considering that an
organisational email account instead of a public one. Pardon me for my
ignorance.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 25 Apr 2014 10:58, "Subhashish Panigrahi" 
wrote:

>  Hi Dhaval,
>
> CIS-A2K does not have any role in the creation of these articles. Muzammil
> remains one of our valuable ex-employees since March 15, 2014. Please see
> this announcement [1].
>
> 1.
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2014-April/011040.html
>
> Thanks,
> Subha
>
>
> On 25/04/14 2:58 pm, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote:
>
> Hi Asaf, Ravi, All,
>
> Please see below replies received from Muzammil on queries raised by you.
> I did not notice that Muzammil is part of CIS. It looks like the Urdu
> content generation is a task carried out by CIS A2K program under wikimedia
> grant.
>
> Do you (WMF) have any specific budget for such tasks? Gujarati wiki
> community will love to get paid for content generation.
>
> Thanks,
> Dhaval
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "muzammil" 
> Date: 25 Apr 2014 10:09
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-gu] Urdu Wikipedia crosses the 50,000 mark
> To: "Dhaval S. Vyas" 
> Cc: "Wikipedia Gujarati" 
>
> Dear  Vyas,
>
>>
>> Good News Muzammil,
>>
>> But I have seen questions raised for you regarding this number. People
>> have found out that till mid February there were only around 27 thousand
>> pages, how did Urdu wikipedia reach 50,000 mark in 2 months?
>>
>>  I will have to examine the extent of bot activity. However, a high level
> of bot activity was also seen on Hindi Wikipedia in the past.
>
>>
>> Someone also found that most of the recent activity is due to Bot
>> operation and 90% of pages are less than 20kb in size, which means they are
>> nearly substubs.
>>
>>  I would rate most as "stubs". But even these can be forerunners for good
> articles of the future.
>
> Regards,
> Muzammil
>
>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Re: [Wikipedia-gu] Urdu Wikipedia crosses the 50, 000 mark

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Asaf, Ravi, All,

Please see below replies received from Muzammil on queries raised by you. I
did not notice that Muzammil is part of CIS. It looks like the Urdu content
generation is a task carried out by CIS A2K program under wikimedia grant.

Do you (WMF) have any specific budget for such tasks? Gujarati wiki
community will love to get paid for content generation.

Thanks,
Dhaval
-- Forwarded message --
From: "muzammil" 
Date: 25 Apr 2014 10:09
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-gu] Urdu Wikipedia crosses the 50,000 mark
To: "Dhaval S. Vyas" 
Cc: "Wikipedia Gujarati" 

Dear  Vyas,

>
> Good News Muzammil,
>
> But I have seen questions raised for you regarding this number. People
> have found out that till mid February there were only around 27 thousand
> pages, how did Urdu wikipedia reach 50,000 mark in 2 months?
>
>  I will have to examine the extent of bot activity. However, a high level
of bot activity was also seen on Hindi Wikipedia in the past.

>
> Someone also found that most of the recent activity is due to Bot
> operation and 90% of pages are less than 20kb in size, which means they are
> nearly substubs.
>
>  I would rate most as "stubs". But even these can be forerunners for good
articles of the future.

Regards,
Muzammil
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Asaf,

Let me put everything aside and ask a few simple questions to you, as I see
you as a representative of WMF here.

1. Why was WMIN denied the large portion of the grant requested and why do
we have separate grant to a private organisation?

2. WMF have seen the results of previous funding to IP, which was a total
disaster, why CIS was chosen and is still considered to carry out
activities, even after refusing the grant for many of those tasks proposed
by them (WMIN)?

3. When are you (WMF) going to stop funding CIS and any other private
organisation (other than WMIN)?

I will appreciate straight, short and simple answers. If they could not be
answered in length of less than double of the length of question, please do
not attempt.

Thanks,
Dhaval
On 18 Apr 2014 02:20, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:

> I will be responding to Ravi's further questions as time permits, probably
> only tomorrow.
>
> In the meantime, I protest against your behavior, Ansuman.  It is
> unacceptable.  Despite multiple past recurrences of this pattern as well as
> past apologies, here we are again -- you lash out with wild and inflated
> accusations, generalizations, and hearsay; when challenged to provide
> details and references, you gradually back down and often admit your
> original allegations were entirely unfounded; nevertheless, you do not
> apologize or retract your original statements (alternatively, you somehow
> manage to apologize (as you do below) even as you attack indisciminately).
> This is precisely the behavior that had cost you my respect before, as you
> mentioned.
>
> I am interested in having good faith conversations with any community
> member about our India strategy.  As you have seen, I have responded openly
> and honestly to Ravi's questions about our strategy, and those of you who
> have had some conversations with me before can attest I speak my mind and
> do not keep you guessing.
>
> I had done the same in response to your own questions previously (contrary
> to your assertion that I did not), but it quickly became clear you were far
> too bitter to be interested in actually discussing constructive ways
> forward.  For whatever reason (perhaps a personal stake?  is there some
> personal background you'd like to share with the community?  I think so.),
> you are far more interested in attacking CIS and/or WMF than you are in
> promoting the Wikimedia mission in India and in your region and community.
>
> I will continue to engage with those members of the community interested
> in having a civil and fact-based conversation.  (I thank Pradeep, for
> example, for his calm contribution to the discussion (on-wiki, where I
> shall respond), even as he expresses strong crticism and skepticism of the
> entire engagement model.)
>
> I encourage the rest of you reading this to take Ansuman's ranting with a
> large grain of salt.  Get the facts (as distinct from empty assertions) and
> judge for yourselves, by all means, or reserve judgment until you do.
>
> Again, I will engage further on-wiki as soon as I'm able, but probably
> only tomorrow.
>
>Asaf
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM, ansuman  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Asaf. There are some more 
>> questionsby Ravi, I'd 
>> like to see them answered.
>>
>> Thanks Ravi for the detail analysis and questions. Few questions I've
>> asked before but nobody cared to answer till now, now being answered.
>>  :-) Which these paid employess didn't care to put up in two years is now
>> being out!
>>
>> I'm extremely dissppointed, nobody (not even WMF staffs) cared to tell
>> the community these important things, which should have been disclosed much
>> earlier in 2012.
>> I've asked, raised my concerns several times at meta; cisa2k talk pages,
>> vishnu's talk page, on this mailing list. But these paid employees didn't
>> feel the necessity to answer them!! One time someone even gone out of
>> context and talked about costing his respect but didn't feel the necessity
>> to respond further and tell these things..
>>
>> If only WMF's intent has been clear to us and there has been transparency
>> in this project, I wouldn't have felt the necessity to blame cisa2k for
>> their terrible mistakes and incometencies.
>>
>> If only i had known that WMF doesn't expect any real outcome but just
>> want to see how it goes, then i would not have asked those questions being
>> rude. You have wasted so much of my time!!
>>
>> Even now I see no attempts to bring transparency. Clearly nobody cares!!
>> WMF is also responsible for this lack of transparecy but they don't seem
>> to care much.
>>
>> So far as per the ongoing discussion at proposal talk page, *there is no
>> transparency, it's not been disclosed yet who was involved when this
>> project was approved!* Few facts yet to be confirmed and questions to be
>> answered.
>>
>> Having said all these, let me tell you that my intention was clear, i
>> didn't want to hurt anybody

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Re: Gujarati Wikisource - completes 50 books

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Arjuna,

Thank you for visiting gu.ws and browsing through.

The community there work differently and we use templates instead of
proofread extension. It is the way we, as a community, have adopted.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 30 Mar 2014 05:27, "Arjuna Rao Chavala"  wrote:

> Sushant,
>
> Congratulations to the Gujarati Wikisource contributors on this important
> milestone.   Based on  a brief visit to the site and also from Proofread
> page stats , I found that Proofread
> extension has 
> not been used for this. I had the experience of setting up and using
> the same on Telugu Wikisource. I think it will be useful and improve the
> productivity of the team and would like to suggest the team to try it.
>
> Cheers
> Arjuna
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Vishnu  wrote:
>
>>  Please see the below email from Sushant Savla.
>>
>> Congratulations to Sushant and other Gujarati Wikimedians for their
>> efforts in achieving this milestone!!
>>
>> Best,
>> Vishnu
>>
>>   Original Message   Subject: Re: Gujarati Wikisource -
>> completes 50 books  Date: 27 Mar 2014 15:01:24 -  From: sushant
>> savlaTo:
>>  
>>
>>
>> Dear Vishnu,
>>
>> this is in continuation to our telecon regarding i am not able to get my
>> name registered in Wikimedia India list hence writing this email to you.
>>
>> Gujarati Wikisource has achieved yet another milestone on its second
>> birthday (29.03.2014) completed uploading full 50 books which has come in
>> public domain.
>>
>> The collection of these 50 books includes well known Gujarati literary
>> creations in the form of Autobiography, Novels, Plays, Collection of Poems,
>> Essays, Moral Stories etc. This includes works of prominent writers such as
>> Mahatma Gandhi, Zaverchand Meghani, Kavi Nhanalal, Surasinhji Gohil,
>> Educationist Gijubhai Badheka, Kavi Dalapatram, Ramanlal Nilkanth etc.
>>
>> This feat was achieved in 2 years time.
>>
>> As OCR is not available, volunteers of Gujarati wiki Community have typed
>> this books. The community proceeds in a planned manner. A book is selected
>> and its announcement is made at common platform on source. Volunteer
>> interested joins the project. Chapters are distributed among the particants
>> and proof reading is done. Once completed, another book is undertaken.
>>
>> Kindly inform this on Indian Community List
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Sushant
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Calendars in use in India

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Count me in Vishwa, as Calendars have always been my topic of interest!
On 15 Jan 2014 11:11, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" 
wrote:

> A great topic, I am particularly interested in!
>
> I have worked some solid 3-4 months to compute almost all calendars of
> Indian traditions. Part of my ambition is to create a page in every Indian
> Wiki for each year of the  CE era, along with the corresponding calendars
> in each Indian almanacs. This will involve a lot of references, computation
> and 'wiki'fication of which, the first two parts are almost completed.
>
> Let me keep a track of this thread. May we even form up a small project
> group on this?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
>
>> As you doubt Gerard, though the month names are same or similar in
>> different languages/cultures/calendars, months not always start and end at
>> the same time. Mainly in soouthern calendars, including the Gujarati and
>> Maharashtrian ones, months end on the New Moon day, while in Northern
>> calendars, months end on the Full moon day. This difference really make
>> months different, and thus many festivals though celebrated on the same day
>> throughout India, are actually marked in different months on religious
>> calendars.
>>
>> E.g. Janmashtami is Shravan Vad (or Krishna paksh) ashtami in Gujarati
>> calendar, but in northern calendars, it is Bhadrapad krishnapaksh Ashtami.
>>
>> Also, Kartik or Kartak is the first month of year, while in other
>> calendars, maharashtra and northern, Chaitra is the first month of year.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dhaval
>> On 15 Jan 2014 08:57, "Gerard Meijssen" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> I blogged about calendars. The problem I face is that I am adding
>>> statements to the calendars in use in India.. I have worked on the Nepali
>>> and the Bengali calendar and, I find that in the English Wikipedia some
>>> months are merged into one article.
>>>
>>> What I want to know is if these months exactly are at the same time or
>>> not. Many calendars have special days. It would make sense to have an item
>>> for them as well. I assume that many of the Indian Wikipedias have articles
>>> for such events. It will help when they are known to be part of a specific
>>> calendar..
>>>
>>> Are there people who can help me with this ?
>>> Thanks,
>>>   GerardM
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Calendars in use in India

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

As you doubt Gerard, though the month names are same or similar in
different languages/cultures/calendars, months not always start and end at
the same time. Mainly in soouthern calendars, including the Gujarati and
Maharashtrian ones, months end on the New Moon day, while in Northern
calendars, months end on the Full moon day. This difference really make
months different, and thus many festivals though celebrated on the same day
throughout India, are actually marked in different months on religious
calendars.

E.g. Janmashtami is Shravan Vad (or Krishna paksh) ashtami in Gujarati
calendar, but in northern calendars, it is Bhadrapad krishnapaksh Ashtami.

Also, Kartik or Kartak is the first month of year, while in other
calendars, maharashtra and northern, Chaitra is the first month of year.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 15 Jan 2014 08:57, "Gerard Meijssen"  wrote:

> Hoi,
> I blogged about calendars. The problem I face is that I am adding
> statements to the calendars in use in India.. I have worked on the Nepali
> and the Bengali calendar and, I find that in the English Wikipedia some
> months are merged into one article.
>
> What I want to know is if these months exactly are at the same time or
> not. Many calendars have special days. It would make sense to have an item
> for them as well. I assume that many of the Indian Wikipedias have articles
> for such events. It will help when they are known to be part of a specific
> calendar..
>
> Are there people who can help me with this ?
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] GLAM activity at the National Museum, New Delhi

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Excellent Sowmyan, great team work. Thanks to Konarak, shyamal, Swapnil and
Arun for being part of it.

Can you please also share links or article names that are created part of
this event and for which QRCodes are generated? I suppose it will be good
idea to translate/create those articles in other Indic languages as well.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 6 Jan 2014 12:30, "Sowmyan Tirumurti"  wrote:

> Friends,
>
> We signed off 2013 and welcomed 2014 in style with a classic GLAM program
> at the National Museum in New Delhi. This is the best program I had seen
> till date.
>
> Join me in applauding Arun Ram, LShyamal, Konarak Ratnakar, and Swapnil
> for their contribution in making this event a success.
>
> Andrew Gray (WMUK) contributed to the first session related to this
> program with a personal address to the Museum folks on 23rd Dec 2013. We
> concluded the workshop on 5th Jan 2014. We still have some time to go
> before the 71 articles pilot is completed. That could take about 6 months.
>
> About 20 people have been trained and teams of about 4 members jointly
> worked on an article, and they were helped through till the publication of
> their first article. None of these are stubs. About 5 articles were
> published and their QRcode posted at the Museum.
>
> The enthusiasm of the participants was excellent. The support from the
> partner institution was great. We look forward to a great time for GLAM
> activities in India.
>
> Regards,
> Sowmyan
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] accommodation in Delhi - can some one help?

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Gujarati Samaj in old delhi, is very affordable, not sure how far your
venue is from there though. This place is conveniently located for Delhi
Metro, 5 min walk from ISBT. But I think you need to have one Gujarati in
your group.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 24 Dec 2013 18:18, "Sowmyan Tirumurti"  wrote:

> While we plan to be in Delhi from 29th Dec to 8th Jan for the GLAM
> project, our effort to get guest house accommodation at Delhi University
> South Campus for this period did not materialize. Can any one help us with
> some affordable source of accommodation? We are looking for accommodation
> for 4 people. Two people from 29/31Dec to 8 Jan, and two people from 2 Jan
> to 6 Jan.
>
> Regards,
> Sowmyan
> 9632911650
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Winners of WLM India 2013

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Congratulations to all the winners and kudos to the Jury members for their
time spent and enormous efforts put in this task.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 20 Nov 2013 18:57, "Karthik Nadar"  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> This year, we received 11,000 images if monuments in Wiki Loves Monuments
> India 2013. Over a month, the jury team has been working on to select and
> nominate best images for the WLM international contest and thus also
> selecting the winning images of India contest. Here are they: 
> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.in/here-are-the-winners-of-the-wiki-loves-monuments-2013-india-contest/
>
>
>
> I would like to take a moment to thank all those who helped to make this
> happen. Thank you Naveen and Kiran Ravikumar for sharing your shoulders.
> Thanks to jury  for sending their
> valuable time in reviewing images. Also thanks to Pavithra, Arun Ganesh and
> Manoranjan for been part of special jury. Never to forget the international
> team for their kind help at all the times!
>
> Thanks to Wikimedia India for funding the contest, to INTACH for
> partnering it for the first time. Apologies if I have missed anyone, but
> you shall also owe a thousand of thanks from the WLM team.
>
>
> *PS: *Could you help us spread the work through media, get in touch with
> me or Naveen or Kiran!!
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Karthik Nadar.
> On behalf of WLM India team.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Kerala School text books to be Licensed under Creativecommons, Printing using FOSS Tools

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

That is a great news Anivar, wish all the states follow in footsteps of
Kerala. SCERT. Congratulations to you and the team who was working closely
with them

Kind Regards,
Dhaval
On 15 Nov 2013 13:03, "Anivar Aravind"  wrote:

> Sorry for the typos** earlier
>
>
> Dear all ,
>
> Some happy news for all of us .
>
>
> The School curriculum steering commitee of  Kerala Govt's SCERT(State
> Council Educational Research and Training)  decided  3 major points in our
> interest yesterday
>
> 1. SCERT is improving text book printing infrastructure by shifting from
> Adobe 's softwares to FOSS based XeTeX and free licensed fonts.
>
> 2. They will shift from ASCII to Unicode . This will also help in
> universal access for differentially abled via technologies like Text to
> Speech even in Malayalam Language .
>
> 3. The books will be licensed under  CC-BY-SA .
>
> Official Order is still pending. But I am posting this since it is already
> in media reports.
>
> Read a report in TOI
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Now-free-software-to-set-school-textbooks-in-Kerala/articleshow/25781341.cms
>
> The Change will be applicable to all newly publishing books from now
> Starting from Malayalam Text books in 5, 7, and 11th standards
>
> Myself, Hrishikesh K.B and a team from Swathanthra Malayalam Computing (
> http://smc.org) are working closely with SCERT from last few months to
> help  them in initiating this change process.
>
> Thanks to Dr. P.K Thilak, Research Officer  SCERT , Director SCERT, and
> Biju Prabhakar IAS (Director of Public Instruction, Govt of Kerala )  for
> initiating this Change.
>
> ~ regards
> Anivar Aravind
> Secretary
> Swathanthra Malaalam Computing
> http://smc.org.in
> Ph. 09448063780
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Introducing Beta Features (corrected)

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

+1 Ansuman.

Also sharing such emails with regional language lists don't serve the
purpose as they wish to receive as less as possible emails in non-native
languages.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 11 Nov 2013 17:51, "ansuman"  wrote:

> Thanks Pavanaja, just a link would have sufficed,
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures
>
> I don't think such updates need to be shared at all these mailing
> lists. Folks at Meta, and wikimedia.org might be knowing this already.
>
> Ansuman
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Short-term assignment at CIS-A2K

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Dear All,

Can we please stop this conversation now? It has been long since any more
accusations are made, but lately we have seen rather far many advises here.
If these words came in-time, they would have served the purpose.

There is no point in keeping this conversation alive forever.

Have a festival spirit and lets get back to our normal lives.

Happy (belated) Diwali and Happy (Gujarati) New Year!

Dsvyas
On 4 Nov 2013 11:37, "Aarti K. Dwivedi"  wrote:

> Hey,
> I am a newbie to Wikimedia-India. I have been working with the Wikisource
> community since my GSoC
> intern started. First of all, I think this project is a really nice
> opportunity to increase our visibility.
>
> I also request Ansuman to be a bit more civil. Being nice and respectful
> doesn't hurt. Such kind of behavior
> is not acceptable in a mailing list where everyone is volunteering just
> out of interest. Also, in the 10 months
> that I've been with Wikimedia, I am yet to see such rudeness on the
> mailing list.
>
> Cheers,
> Aarti
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:25 PM, ansuman  wrote:
>
>> > Dear Anshuman,
>>
>> Hey Abhijeet
>>
>> > I don't know you. But one thing I would like to share that people WILL
>> > teach about civility if you will behave in uncivil manner. I do find
>> your
>> > words and tone uncivil.
>>
>> You don't know me, but i just got to know a lot about you!
>> What an analogy!
>> When people argue, someone else always tries to finish it, and be a hero.
>> And I do find your this particular message unnecessary and uncivil.
>>
>>
>> > Whatever you want to say, you can always say it in better ways and
>> believe
>> > me, it always increases chances of getting your point accepted.
>>
>> It doesn't necessarily be that way. And believe me my encounter with
>> A2K is other way around. And I'm not here to get my points accepted.
>> Actually there is nothing to be accepted, just some facts. I guess i'm
>> trying to show you, how A2K doesn't consider something when it should.
>>
>> I'm sorry, you feel bad about it. Please if you don't like it, you
>> could stay out of it. All my messages are meant for A2K, and i think
>> it'd best if we let A2K handle it.
>>
>>
>> > But using uncivil way of communication is such a bad thing that after a
>> > limit people will not listen to you at all.
>> >
>> > In short, kindly behave!
>>
>> And people here have their own beliefs and ethics, and they know what
>> they're doing. They don't need your advice at all.
>>
>> In short, you just wasted yours and my time. Anyway thanks for your
>> comment.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ansuman
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Ravishankar 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ansuman,
>> >>
>> >> I know veteran Wikipedian volunteers (and previous organizational
>> >> efforts)
>> >> who got got burnt out precisely because of this approach and attitude
>> >> from
>> >> some in the community. Asking for accountability and transparency is
>> good
>> >> but that should be done without burning bridges.
>> >>
>> >> Ravi
>> >>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright queries

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Shyamal,

Can you please expand " I believe that the definition of "work" in the
Indian Copyright Act would leave many items ineligible for copyright and
perhaps would make sense if experts could specify them. " a bit more?

I failed to understand it, as the object/work is same thing in nearly all
copyright acts.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 11 Sep 2013 04:48, "Shyamal L."  wrote:

> I have just noticed a nicely written document
> http://copyright.gov.in/Documents/handbook.html
> that makes some enlightened statement but I am not sure how well this
> stands for enforcers of policy on Wikimedia Commons.
>
> I have just got a deletion nomination for a few files I thought would be
> public domain simply because they are not legal tender and are not creative
> expressions.
> The files in question are
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_radio_license_full.jpg
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_radio_tv_license.jpg
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_radio_license.jpg
> but I see a lot more potential impact, for instance on most of the files in
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Documents_of_India
> for example
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BEST-tickets.jpg
>
> I believe that the Wikimedia Chapter in India has a role in ensuring that
> good legal advise is used to clarify along with the WMF legal counsel, the
> summary posted on
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-India
>
> I believe that the definition of "work" in the Indian Copyright Act would
> leave many items ineligible for copyright and perhaps would make sense if
> experts could specify them.
>
> Any comments? Also welcome on the deletion nominations for the files
> listed above.
>
> best wishes
> Shyamal
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic print material digitization workshop query

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

While saying "cheaper" are we considering recurring cost of human labour
(for which future is uncertain) or just taking in account the initial one
off cost of software development?

Regards,
Dhaval
On 21 Aug 2013 08:01, "Pavanaja U B"  wrote:

> I second Tejaswini. Those who are working on Kannada OCR development also
> say the same.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> Pavanaja
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Tejaswini
> Niranjana
> *Sent:* 21 August 2013 11:24
> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic print material digitization
> workshop query
>
> ** **
>
> Colleagues working in Bangla say that in their experience it is faster,
> cheaper, and less error-prone to create digital texts by typing them in.
> Once there is a larger body of digitised texts, and OCR technology for
> Indian languages also improves, OCR could become the preferred option. ***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> Tejaswini
>
> ** **
>
> On 19 August 2013 22:38, Aarti K. Dwivedi 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> ** **
>
>  In my opinion, it is always better to OCR  the documents. I agree
> that it's error prone but there is a
>
> Google Summer of Code project being done by AnkurIndia whose aim is to
> improve the quality of OCRs
>
> for Indian scripts.
> https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2013/knoxxs/5001***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> So, maybe not immediately but in short time, OCR is worth it. I am not
> aware if any Wikisource in Indian
>
> languages is as vast as French, English or Italian Wikisource. But we
> should have it because we have quite
>
> a lot of text.
>
> ** **
>
> Thank You,
>
> Aarti
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
> Whether to OCR or not to OCR is a significant issue! When we OCR a page of
> text, the resultant is often error-prone, lost formatting, and the
> correction requires crowd-sourced correction. Many of us know about Project
> Gutenberg. The site provides plain vanilla etexts. But what most people do
> not know that one of the very first crowd-sourcing initiatives -
> "Distributed Proof-readers" provides a huge volunteer community correcting
> OCR pages of text submitted to Project Gutenberg. In fact, I was a
> Distributed Proofreader before coming to Wikipedia and that was my first
> crowd-sourced experience.
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.pgdp.net/c/
>
> ** **
>
> I've also done digitisation in a government archive for five years. We
> took a conscious decision to OCR the text and allow the uncorrected layer
> to exist rather than take the pains to correct it. The material was used so
> infrequently, it made good sense for the end-user to proof-read himself
> should he desire to do so. So the real challenge in digitisation is not
> OCR, or rather, not just OCR but the creation of an error-free proof-read
> text layer behind the pdf/other formatted archive document.
>
> ** **
>
> Ashwin Baindur
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Sumana Harihareswara <
> suma...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> On 08/19/2013 02:52 AM, L. Shyamal wrote:
> > Re-posting a now outdated query from meta
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events/Bangalore/Digitization_workshop_18August2013
> >
> > now that the workshop has already been conducted I think those that have
> > attended the workshop could comment if this cover Indic language OCR-ing
> -
> > if it did it would be worthwhile if the OCR software used can be
> documented
> > on the meta pages or elsewhere such as Wikisource. Most of the more
> > experienced editors here will be fairly familiar with the use of scanners
> > for creating PDF documents and uploading them to places like the Internet
> > Archive but the experience or knowledge of OCRs and their success rates
> is
> > a bit wanting for Indic languages (fonts).
> >
> > best wishes
> > Shyamal
> > en:User:Shyamal
>
> I looked at the talk page on Meta - thank you, Shyamal!
>
> For those who do not know: OCR means Optical Character Recognition.
> When we want to get archival documents onto the web, it's nice to have
> photos of them, but it's even better to OCR them so that people can
> clearly read, copy, excerpt, translate, and remix the text.
>
> Is there a central list of the problems that OCR software (especially
> open source OCR software) has with text written in Indic languages?  If
> so, I could help encourage people to fix those problems, as volunteers,
> via a Google Summer of Code/Outreach Program for Women internship, via a
> grant-funded project (such as https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG
> ), or via some other method.
>
> People who would like to make Wikisource more easily useful for Indic
> languages might want to contribute to the Wikisource vision development
> project that's going on right n

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Board(EC) Elections-2013 - Results

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Congratulations to both of the newly elected EC members.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 15 Aug 2013 17:01, "Arjuna Rao Chavala"  wrote:

>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Arjuna Rao Chavala 
> Date: 2013/8/15
> Subject: Wikimedia India Board(EC) Elections-2013 - Results
> To: wmin-members , Wikimedia India EC <
> wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc: 
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We completed the election process  for Wikimedia India Chapter Executive
> Committee (EC)  Elections for year 2013 in today's Annual General Body
> Meeting. We are happy to announce the results of the Election.
>
> Total eligible Voters: 66 (Excluding 3 members of the Election Committee,
> who cant' vote as per the Election rules)
> Votes polled: 27 (26 by post and 1 in person), (40.9%)
> Valid votes: 26
> Invalid vote:1
>
> Candidate- Votes polled
> Jayanta Nath - 17
> Moksh Juneja - 17
> Nikhil Kawale - 3
> Santosh Shingare - 6
> Yohann Thomas - 7
>
>
> Hence, Jayanta Nath and Moksh Juneja are declared as elected to EC for
> the  two vacant positions for term 2013-2015.
>
> We congratulate  Jayanta and Moksh. We thank   EC,  all the candidates and
> members for active participation  in the Election process.
>
> We thank the outgoing  Executive Committee led by Sudhanwa for all their
> contributions. We  wish the new  EC  all the best  for growing the movement
> and the chapter in future.
>
> Sincerely,
>
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> Election Committee for EC Elections-2013
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WMIN-Members] NCERT portal goes CC-BY-SA

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Congratulations WMIN Chapter! and thanks Pranav for making the minister do
it. This is a great achivement, many more institutes and mechanisms would
(hopefully) follow it.

Regards,
Dhaval S. Vyas
On 13 Aug 2013 15:13, "Srikanth Ramakrishnan" 
wrote:

> Pranav has been in touch with Tharoor for the past six months.  This is a
> result of this collaboration.
>
> Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender.
> --
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
> Treasurer.
> On Aug 13, 2013 7:38 PM, "Ashwin Baindur" 
> wrote:
>
>> Wonderful news, Shared on Facebook. We want to know more! Who evangelised
>> & pushed it? Chapter? CIS? A2K? Tell me.. tell me...
>>
>> Ashwin
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Pavanaja U B > > wrote:
>>
>>> This a great news. I am also following up with some agencies. Hope they
>>> also will follow soon
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>
>>> Pavanaja
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
>>> wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ansuman
>>> *Sent:* 13 August 2013 18:57
>>> *To:* Wikipedia-OR; Wikimedia India Community list; WikiProject India
>>> mailing list
>>> *Subject:* [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WMIN-Members] NCERT portal goes
>>> CC-BY-SA
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: *Pranav Curumsey* 
>>> Date: 13 August 2013 18:31
>>> Subject: [WMIN-Members] NCERT portal goes CC-BY-SA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Savithri just gave me some wonderful news. The new National Repository
>>> of Open Education Resources has been launched, and Dr. Tharoor, the HRD
>>> Minister announced its licensed under CC-BY-SA! *http://nroer.in/home/*
>>>
>>> Iv been following up with Dr. Tharoor and NCERT for about 6 months now,
>>> pushing for this. Thanks to Gautam, Tinu, Savithri, Dr. Nagarjuna and
>>> everyone else who helped make this happen. It is certainly a major win for
>>> us as a chapter to be a part of this and a major win for OER in India.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Pranav Curumsey
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thanks Pranav for sharing.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] membership - additional requirement

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Sowmyan,

Thanks for the confirmation.

I know the reasons and don't want any clarification on that. I was just
curious to know.

Regards,
Dhaval
On Jun 8, 2013 2:59 PM, "Sowmyan Tirumurti"  wrote:

> Dhaval Vyas,
>
> I guess my mail was ambiguous.  We are not admitting foreign members. We
> have just asked for proof to carry on our records that our members are
> Indian nationals and of age above 18.
>
> The reasons for the nationality and age constraint have been discussed
> earlier in these lists.
>
> Abhilash Unni,
>
> Your suggestion of scanned documents is fine.
>
> Regards,
> Sowmyan
> 96329 11650
> Executive Manager,
> Wikimedia Chapter
> Bangalore
>
>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 18:28:00 +0100
>> From: "Dhaval S. Vyas" 
>> To: Wikimedia India Community list
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] membership - additional requirement
>> Message-ID:
>> > qdhhb+q15frpxza5fr-+tkpb...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Have you started accepting foreign nationals as members now?
>> On Jun 7, 2013 5:02 PM, "Sowmyan Tirumurti" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:21:39 +0530
>> From: Abhilash S Unni 
>> To: Wikimedia India Community list
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] membership - additional requirement
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> cab-xuchtwzt7zsnpotvjetav_ht7pcwqtq9jmrfp1r7az-u...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Does a scanned image do?
>>
>> Abhi
>> സ്നേഹപൂര്‍വ്വം അഭി
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Sowmyan Tirumurti > >wrote:
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] membership - additional requirement

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Have you started accepting foreign nationals as members now?
On Jun 7, 2013 5:02 PM, "Sowmyan Tirumurti"  wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> Some of you may not have renewed your membership yet. Kindly do this at
> the earliest. End of June will mark the expiry of the 3 month grace period.
>
> In order to be more compliant with our eligibility requirement, we now
> need members to submit a proof of age and nationality. This would be a one
> time requirement. Future renewals will not need this. All existing members
> who renewed recently are also required to send this document to complete
> our records.
>
> To meet this requirement, we need any government issued identity document
> that contains the name, photograph, date of birth and nationality of the
> member. For example: driving license, passport, PAN card, and electoral
> identity card are some of the documents that would meet the requirement.
> Send us the copy for any one of these. Please mention your membership
> number for easy archiving.
>
> Regards,
> Sowmyan
> Executive Manager,
> 96329 11650
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> Bangalore
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Exceptional and inspiring Wikipedians from India

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

જયમ પટેલ and જયશ્રી could be considered as well

Regards,
Dhaval


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> Shyamal & NVV Char are exceptional Wikipedians.
>
> Ashwin
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:14 AM, CherianTinu Abraham
>  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I am helping a journalist on a national newspaper, who is
> working on
> > a story that features some of our Exceptional and inspiring Wikipedians
> from
> > India.  The people I have already in mind as Sengai Podhuvan, Babu G.
> > Gopalan , Aniruddha Kumar and many others..
> >
> > Do you know more of such amazing Wikipedians who have touching
> > stories to tell? Can you share the details of such Wikipedians whom you
> know
> > but less known to many ?
> >
> > Please do reply to me privately.
> >
> > Regards
> > Tinu Cherian
> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Request for an announcement mailing list

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

I echo Arun

Regards,
Dhaval
On May 17, 2013 3:44 PM, "Arun Ramarathnam"  wrote:

> Me thinks we have a small community that is active. I feel it is not a
> good idea to keep forking lists.
> We already have a problem with many community members not being aware of
> the India list.
> Now another one?
>
> I already struggle to keep track and manage membership of multiple lists.
> That is my view. Lets hear from others too.
>
> regards
> Arun
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Karthik Nadar wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I suggest we have an announcement mailing list. I sometimes see certain
>> mails flooding too mailing list, and it really spams the inbox.
>>
>> If we have an announcement list, we can suggest everyone to subscribe to
>> the list who is interested in announcement from Indian communities like the
>> Chapter , the A2K and various other cities and languages communities.
>> Preferably, the mailing list should be only for one way communication.
>>
>> Admins at this (Wikimedia India) mailing list shall subscribe the
>> announcement mailing list with this email-id
>> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, so that it reaches mass.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Karthik.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Need admin rights on a few Wikipedia(s)

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Priyanka,

Feel free to approach me for any help in localising gadget. I am admin on
gu.wp & gu.ws and have localised/imported a few gadgets there.

Tc,
Dhaval
On 19 Mar 2013 11:34, "priyanka nag"  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I had introduced myself sometime back in the same mailing list, but just
> incase I am not remembered, here I introduce myself again.
> I am Priyanka Nag, a post graduation student in Symbiosis Institute of
> Computer Studies and Research. I am a OPW intern under Wikimedia.
> As a part of my internship, I need to implement a feature on the Bengali,
> Hindi and Marathi Wikipedia. It is the citation option which is present on
> the English Wikipedia but missing from most other Wikipedias (actually
> present in none of the Indic language Wikipedia(s)). I was trying to get
> this feature up in the Bengali, Hindi and Marathi Wikipedia (only reason I
> chose these are because these are the only Indic languages I understand).
> To get this done, I will either need the admin rights to these Wikipedias
> or need help from the admins to get this feature up. I will need it going
> as soon as possible. Can anyone please help me out with the same?
> I will also need someone to translate a few strings in Hindi and Marathi
> for the Citation template as I am not strong enough in these languages as
> to trust my own translations. There are not many strings, just a few ones
> in a single file. I can pass on the JavaScript file with the strings if
> anyone can help translating them.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Priyanka Nag
> SICSR | Msc.CA (2012-2014)
> Contact Number:+91-7385080729
> Website: http://about.me/priyanka_nag
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF Grant and FDC

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

That's great news, Congratulations WMIN!

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Pranav Curumsey wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> This is to inform you that the WMF has approved our program grant request
> for the first quarter of 2013:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WMIN/ProgramGrantQuarter1/2013
>
> WMF has also accepted the Bootstrap Grant report, which means Wikimedia
> India is now eligible for FDC funding (Next round is scheduled for October
> 2013).
>
> --
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> Pranav Curumsey
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] decline in editors

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

I echo Amir.
On 8 Mar 2013 06:42, "Amir E. Aharoni"  wrote:

> Hi Nikhil, and everyone else,
>
> I thought about writing a detailed reply about how that article is
> exaggerated ("*Nobody* wants to edit anymore"? Really, nobody?), and
> how the problems that you describe are just one side of the story
> (because the bureaucracy may be annoying, but it's a necessary evil,
> bla, bla, bla), but I decided to write something else:
>
> You don't like the over-bureaucratic English Wikipedia?
> Fine.
> Do you know a language other than English? If you're in India, then
> you probably do.
> Go to the Wikipedia in that language and edit it.
> It may have some issues, too - bureaucracy, political arguments,
> "wheel wars" - but these issues are guaranteed to be smaller that they
> are in the English Wikipedia.
>
> And besides, Wikipedia in ANY language other than English needs more
> articles, more writers, and more love. The people who speak that
> language will appreciate you immensely. Maybe they won't tell you
> directly that they appreciate it immensely, but I promise you that
> they will.
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> ‪“We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
>
> 2013/3/6 Nikhil Sheth :
> > Sharing an article I came across on Daily Dot (followed it from the
> > vandalism article shared in an earlier mail), dated January 04, 2013
> >
> > Nobody wants to edit Wikipedia anymore :
> >
> http://www.dailydot.com/business/wikipedia-editors-decline-wikimedia-fellows/
> >
> > excerpt (and I've underlined what I found significant):
> >
> > That's the question Wikipedia leaders and social science researchers are
> > tackling. They've documented a drastic decline in the retention of new
> > Wikipedia editors over the last five years.
> >
> > A new study published in the American Behavioral Science Journal by
> former
> > Wikimedia Fellows says Wikipedia has lost some 30 percent of its
> > English-language editors since 2006, as a result of off-putting automated
> > rejections, restrictive new rules, and controlling older editors.
> >
> > "What was most surprising was the scale of the problem," lead researcher
> > Aaron Halfaker told the Daily Dot.
> >
> > Founded in 2001, Wikipedia was a first-of-its-kind experiment in online
> > collaboration. Anyone who desired could sign up and become an editor,
> > contributing to any of the site's entries, which now include more than 23
> > million topics. This openness allowed Wikipedia to cover a much wider
> range
> > of subjects than a traditional encyclopedia, but it also made the
> project a
> > source of criticism for its frequency of misinformation, either through
> > accidental mistakes or deliberate vandalism.
> >
> > That's why Wikipedia instituted new rules in 2007 to improve the quality
> of
> > information, but according to Halfaker, these same rules have driven away
> > more than just the unwanted vandals.
> >
> > In 2006, only about 6 percent of "quality" new editors had their
> > contributions rejected—a.k.a. "reverted" in Wikipedia lingo. In 2010, the
> > number of contributions by new editors were being reverted at a rate of
> > 1-in-4 by senior editors and the site's own automated response systems.
> >
> > Halfaker said that as a result, only about 11 percent of new editors have
> > been staying on past their first two months, driving down the total
> number
> > of contributors to the site. He said part of that has to do with the
> "nasty"
> > initial experience many new editors have.
> >
> > If you're a new Wikipedia editor, the first message you get is usually
> from
> > a bot or a semi-automated editing tool. It'll warn you of such issues as
> > "lack of sources" or "blanking" and is designed to deter vandals or
> > "bad-faith editors."
> >
> > (sorry some links from the article were lost in this paste.. do see the
> > original..)
> >
> > I recently blogged a rant about this myself:
> >
> > Go a little easy on people who are starting to contribute; love,
> > encourage and forgive them instead of being so critical and punishing.
> > Create page-tags/templates that can illustrate the fact that it's a
> > work-in-progress, assign this status by default on new articles so a
> > newbie isn't expected to already have advanced skills (which is a
> > stupid, stupid thing wikipedia is doing right now. Adding references and
> > templates is difficult, period. Don't expect a person with less than 50
> > edit counts to know or even want to learn about it). When a visitor
> > comes at a page, maybe an age or number of edits can be displayed at the
> > top to convey an idea of how mature or immature the article is.
> >
> > Having permanent-tenure editors is as bad an idea as having permanent
> > bureaucrats or government leaders: There should be limited terms and
> > off-periods between them and retirement times; that will be good for the
> > editing community and will encourage editors t

[Wikimediaindia-l] Gujarati Wikisource's First Anniversary

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi All,

As some of you might be aware that around this time last year, we had seen
our gu.wikisource.org coming in existence. To Celebrate its first
anniversary, we have planned an event[1] on 31st March. The event will be
held at Rupayatan[2], which is a host institution for the reputed Narasinh
Mehta Award (the largest) in the field of Gujarati Literature, and situated
near Historic town of Junagadh and at the foothills of Girnar. Gujarati
wiki community cordially invites you all to the event.

In addition to this, I am conducting 2 more events, one at Gujarat
Vidyapith[3], where more than 1500 students and teachers will be viewing
the event through video link. That is planned for 29th March. There will be
a workshop/wiki Academy conducted as well for the interested students.

Third event is planned in Mumbai, where a substantial number of Gujarati
speaking population resides. on 6th April, I and another Gujarati
Wikimedian (who is my fellow admin on gu:ws) will be presenting at Zarukho,
a group of Gujarati Authors, Poets, and people of Gujarati Stage and like
minded people. A typical gathering to the group's monthly event range from
80 to 250 attendees.

All who can attend any of these events are welcome.

Regards,
Dhaval

[1] http://gu.wikisource.org/wiki/વિકિસ્રોત:પ્રથમ_વર્ષગાંઠ
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupayatan
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat_Vidyapith
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" <
i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
>
> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.

And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian
Rupees?

I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I
know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity,
water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not
so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).

>
> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
CIS.
>
I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances
are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.

> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?

I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter
website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants
page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that
chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you
think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant
requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be
requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a
figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is
used?

This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapter.
>
>
> Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>
>
Regards,
Dhaval
(on my own behalf)

Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have no
financial inrerest with either of them personally.

>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
rednosedr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people
like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately
done, don't you think?
>>
>> Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
tremendous amount to you guys.
>> Will spread the word on donations though.
>>
>>
>> For others, please donate (liberally);
>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
>>
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530
>> From: srik.r...@wikimedia.in
>> To: nawabhaki...@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
>>
>>
>> Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim,
>> to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to
the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working
out of Delhi.
>>
>> The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity
comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
>>
>> I hope this clears it out.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim 
wrote:
>>>
>>> hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes.
this is cheating.
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Gujarati wikimedians at Science fair, Bharuch

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Thank you very much for your kind reply Vishnu,

Yes, outreach programs at schools has always been on our agenda. I know
Shushant has passion for it. We are celebrating Gujarati Wikisource's first
anniversary very soon (official announcement will be sent out), which has
been planned at an  educational institute.

We, as a community, have discussed this path a few times in our monthly web
meetings that I hold every first Sunday of month. We'll discuss it within
community once again and get back to you off the list, keeping interested
parties in loop.

Thanks once again for your kind words and appreciation for Satishchamdra
and his team.

Best Regards,
Dhaval
On 11 Feb 2013 03:49, "Vishnu t"  wrote:

> Dear Dhaval,
>
> Thank you for sharing this. Excellent work Satishchandra, Devendrasinh
> Gohil and Jayam Patel. Mainly because the way in which you have dovetailed
> the Gujarati Wiki outreach event at the primary education level. I feel
> this is a useful and more organic model of doing Education programmes. I
> think there is a larger shared interest among the Gujarati Wikipedian
> friends about Wiki-Education programme, as I heard Sushant Salva also
> extensively talking about this.
>
> Dhaval, would you and other Gujarati Wikipedian friends want to consider
> developing a model of doing Wiki-Education programme. By this I mean going
> deeper and critically reflecting, documenting on the challenges and
> learnings, etc. If yes, we can bring in some critical inputs by experts in
> the Elementary education sector and facilitate the process. And also in
> making all your efforts result in larger and sustained results. Please do
> discuss with friends and get back either on or off the list - Warmly, Vishnu
>
> If I may, it is important that there is more cross reporting of the work
> being done by various Wikipedians across Indian languages. There is not
> much news about the passionate work being done by many of our friends.
> While we will work in bringing back Wiki Patrika, I feel it is very useful
> to have posts on this list which can act as a source of cross-pollination
> of ideas, collaborations and projects. Any ideas and suggestions on this
> would be Welcome.
>
> Best,
> Vishnu
>
>
>
> On 11 February 2013 04:28, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I would like to share a news with you. Recently Narmadanagar Community
>> Science Centre, Bharuch, Gujarat organised a science fair for the schools
>> of Bharuch District. Three of our active Gujarati Wiki community members
>> participated in the science fair and demonstrate to the teachers and school
>> children how Gujarati Wikipedia and Wikisource could be utilised by them.
>> These three users are Satishchandra, Devendrasinh Gohil and Jayam Patel.
>> Satishchandra is one of the wikimedians recognised for his noteworthy
>> contributions last year by WMIN.
>>
>> They participated in the science fair without any external help, and
>> without any publicity. They talked to shool teachers and students about
>> what is Wikipedia and wikisource, how can they contribute, how to type in
>> Gujarati, how wikipedia and wikisource could be useful to them, etc. Also,
>> they brifed them lightly about the principles of wikis and showed them few
>> pages as well to provide hands-on experience.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dhaval
>>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Gujarati wikimedians at Science fair, Bharuch

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi All,

I would like to share a news with you. Recently Narmadanagar Community
Science Centre, Bharuch, Gujarat organised a science fair for the schools
of Bharuch District. Three of our active Gujarati Wiki community members
participated in the science fair and demonstrate to the teachers and school
children how Gujarati Wikipedia and Wikisource could be utilised by them.
These three users are Satishchandra, Devendrasinh Gohil and Jayam Patel.
Satishchandra is one of the wikimedians recognised for his noteworthy
contributions last year by WMIN.

They participated in the science fair without any external help, and
without any publicity. They talked to shool teachers and students about
what is Wikipedia and wikisource, how can they contribute, how to type in
Gujarati, how wikipedia and wikisource could be useful to them, etc. Also,
they brifed them lightly about the principles of wikis and showed them few
pages as well to provide hands-on experience.

Regards,
Dhaval
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Bishakha,

I am amazed to see how beautifully something is ignored to be answered.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Bishakha Datta wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Anivar Aravind 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> There are 2 separate issues here . Please address them seperately
>>
>> 1. Blaming community for the organizational management failures of WMF
>> India program
>>
>>  (read Ravi once gain  : "Indian Wikimedia office was burnt out precisely
>> because of this negative approach from the community." , and a WMF Board
>> member giving +100 to that) .  When you are working on an accountable
>> position in front of a community there will be questions and critiques
>> always. This is a usual phenomenon . Blaming the community for the
>> organizational failures of WMF India team is not the solution for that .
>> Ravisankar and Bishakha have a moral responsibility to explain this
>> critique, since this is different from whatever WMF told us so far . I hope
>> they will respond  and close this thread
>>
>>
>> Dear Anivar,
>
> I took your comment seriously and went back and re-read Ravi's comment -
> and I continue to agree with what he says. Nowhere does he (or I) hold the
> community responsible for the failures of the India program. I cannot
> understand how this conclusion can be arrived at or derived from those
> comments.
>

do you mean to say there is no blame on community here in this statement?
"Indian Wikimedia office was burnt out precisely *because of this negative
approach from the community*." I have underlined and marked in bold the
portion that I and (think Arvind) found objectionable and questioned.
Please be advised and read my reply more carefully once again, I never
asked any question to A2K team nor I raised any concerns, What I tried was
just to ask something to Ravi to clarify, which I think for some
incomprehensible or mystic reasons he is trying to avoid and answering
himself.

Anyways, as a member of Board of Trustees if you donot see anything
objectionable in saying that "Indian Wikimedia office was burnt out
precisely *because of this negative approach from the community*", I as a
tiny member of Indic wikipedia community, have no right to feel hurt. You
being trustee our representative and leader, and in our culture it is said
that *Yatha Raja tatha Praja*, so as you're not offended (I assume you are
community member as well as trustee) we must not be offended and live with
this stigma.


> Over the last two years, community members, including those from the wider
> wikipedia communities, have on many instances rightly pointed out things
> that were going wrong with the program. That's not the issue here.
> Constructive feedback is always needed and always welcomed.
>
> But we also know - and need to acknowledge - that the community has not
> always been constructive in its feedback. It is well known that not just
> members of the India program team, but volunteers from India have
> themselves felt burnt out and unfairly targeted by the atmosphere of
> suspicion and the level of politics.
>
> With new leadership in place at the A2K program team following a rigorous
> selection process, there is a chance to make somewhat of a fresh start. The
> newly-led team has yet to start work and cannot be held responsible for the
> lapses of the past. What it needs is a level playing field to start
> working. Without this, it cannot possibly succeed, no matter how solid its
> intentions are, no matter how capable it may be, no matter how much effort
> it puts into working in an inclusive, transparent and peer-like manner with
> the larger community.
>
> Given this, I would ask that you and everyone on their list do their bit
> to build a level playing field, and ensure that the newly-led team is given
> a fair chance to prove its mettle or earn its stripes, in an atmosphere
> that is free of suspicion and pre-judgement.
>
> Dwelling on the past and nitpicking on inessentials is not going to get us
> there - but making concrete suggestions for the future might. Once again, I
> would urge anyone who has specific suggestions for the new A2K team to
> publicly share them so that these can be seriously considered. This would
> help create the level playing field that is so badly needed now.
>
> Best
> Bishakha
>

A surrendered member of community,
Dhaval
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: Re: [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Ravi, I was silently watching this debate and didn't want to join it for
many reasons, but some of your "assumptions" force me to jump in,

On 9 Feb 2013 04:48, "Ravishankar"  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My best wishes for the new A2K team.
>
> A sincere request to all Indian Wikimedians:
>
> CIS has been given a grant by WMF. Let CIS do their job in peace and let
them be answerable to the grant review committee.
>
> Just because they are located in India and working on Indian Wikimedia
projects, I don't think they need to answer every question from the
community. Especially, hiring related questions and when they are yet to
start work.

Can you please provide base for your this declaration? When it was Boforse
scan or Lalu Prasad Yadav's "Chara Ghotala" and "Gobar Scam" did we say,
"come on you Indians, keep your mouth shut, because the money involved is
foreign currency"? I think we didn't. Then why now?

> The former Indian Wikimedia office was burnt out precisely because of
this negative approach from the community.

Can you please shed some more light on this alligation? This is utter
alligation on the wjoke Indian wiki community. I (only on my behalf) will
need a clarification based on facts and evidences. Please remember that
wikipedia also doesn't approve text/edits without refrrences. I hope you
would be active on one of the wikis, so need not to explain what reference
is.

> If the community needs to strengthen the movement, either work on your
own language Wikimedia projects or join the India Wikimedia chapter and
take it forward.

Why? Why only 2 options? How many of the IP or A2K team members are active
on their respective language wilipedia?  Upto what extent? Are there others
on those language wikipedia with more edits and more regular presence?
These are the questions one should ask his/her self before making such
statements. I don't need answers on these.

> Ravi

Thank you for nice baseless blame on me (as i m part of the community)

Dhaval
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposal for India's First MediaWiki Group Ahmedabad

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Thank you Bence for making this public, as it seems that even I missed to
see that agreement announced here.

Regards,
Dhaval
On 27 Jan 2013 17:04, "Bence Damokos"  wrote:

> Hi Yuvi,
>
> An agreement was reached that the group would first seek recognition  as a
> Wikimedia Chapter SIG and then as a Wikimedia User Group.
>
> Best regards,
> Bence
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Yuvi Panda  wrote:
>
>> Seems to have stalled? Any update on this from AffCom / Chapter?
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic Wikipedias

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi,

Having bureaucrats is not easy, we had a consensus taken by community and
don't have any active bureaucrats  on gu.wiki but still the application for
bureaucrats was rejected by meta. It is definitely necessary to have active
local bureaucrat(s), but meta needs to change their rigid requirements for
small but active wikis like ours.

Can anybody canvas for that?

Regards,
Dhaval

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote:

> Thanks Viswa. Just curious, do Malayalam Wiki bureaucrats have rights to
> remove adminship? Since nobody in Tamil Wiki had the rights, we had to
> request some Stewards. IIRC, Jyotis came to our help. Are there other
> rights beyond bureaucrats that anyone feels necessary?
>
> - Sundar
>
> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
> for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
> - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
>
>   --
> *From:* Ravishankar 
> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2013 3:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic
> Wikipedias
>
> Subha,
>
> //In addition to all these points you have added it also brings stability
> and openness to the community.//
>
> Yes. Also helps for a smooth transition of admin activities, leadership
> across wiki generations.
>
> Viswam,
>
> Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering why the most active Malayam
> community had relatively fewer admins.
>
> In Tamil Wikipedia, we have removed the admin status for few users who
> were not reachable or had no intent to continue contributing. Otherwise, we
> have very few inactive admins who haven't contributed for more than a year.
>
> Considering the size of our community, we feel that going through a step
> by step procedure like Auto Patrol, Roll back etc. will be a needless
> chore.
>
> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposal for India's First MediaWiki Group Ahmedabad

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

That is exactly what I was wondering as well Konarak.
 On 4 Jan 2013 15:15, "Konarak Ratnakar"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A local MediaWiki Group is a nice initiative be it in Ahmedabad or
> anywhere else as long as there are enthusiastic volunteers involved. It'll
> be nice to see this group come to life (MediaWiki group Ahmedabad or
> a chapter SIG).
>
> I must say it's quite awkward not seeing any involvement of Harsh, as
> the proposer of this group, in this discussion while he's been sending
> emails to other lists.
>
> Best,
> --
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Featured Wikimedian profile on Wikimedia India Chapter wiki

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Netha,

Very good initiative. I would suggest we have profiles of all the Indian
language wikimedians who were recognised as Noteworthy Wikimedian
Contributors during WCI last year. I haven't seen any significant credits
being given to them, nor have seen any central announcement regarding their
selections (apologies if there was any such communication that I missed).

It will be a true recognition of their contributions if their profiles
are prepared.

Regards,
Dhaval


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Netha Hussain wrote:

> Dear all,
>
>  On a casual request, I was prompted to support some of the tasks the
> India Chapter and the India community would benefit together, and I decided
> to take up the responsibility of creating profiles for the 'Featured
> Wikimedian' section in the Wikimedia India Chapter 
> wiki.
> This section aims to showcase the achievements of active Wikimedians who
> have contributed significantly to the Wikimedia projects in English and/or
> Indian languages. The featured profile for January is that of Mr. Balachandran
> G from 
> Malayalam Wikipedia.
>
>  If you know an inspiring Wikimedian whose profile hasn't been featured
> yet, do let me know! Please also go through the profile of the featured
> Wikimedian of this month and send your suggestions and comments for
> improving this section.
>
> Happy new year!
>
> Regards
> User: Netha Hussain
>
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> Student of Medicine and Surgery
> Govt. Medical College, Kozhikode
> Blogs : *nethahussain.blogspot.com
> swethaambari.wordpress.com*
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: Access to Knowledge Bulletin – October 2012

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Hi Noopur/All,

Festive greetings!

Are these events/programs carried out by CIS? Or they include the ones
organised by volunteers and attended by CIS staff as volunteers?

Regards,
Dhaval
On 9 Nov 2012 09:03, "noopur"  wrote:

> **
>
> Greetings!
>
> Welcome to the October 2012 Wikipedia newsletter from the Access to
> Knowledge team of 
> the Centre for Internet & Society!
>
> # Education Program Updates
>
>- Launch of Assamese Wikipedia Education Program at Guwahati 
> University(by
>  Nitika Tandon, October 22, 2012).
>- Malayalam Wikipedia Education Program: August to October 
> Updates(by
>  Shiju Alex, October 29, 2012).
>- Gujarat Wikipedia Education Program: 
> Rajkot(by
>  Noopur Raval, October 31, 2012).
>- Gujarati Wikipedia Article Competition – 10 schools, 200 students,
>20 articles on Gujarati 
> Wikipedia(by
>  Noopur Raval, October 31, 2012).
>
> # Workshop Reports
>
>- Bengaluru: A Hub for Kannada and Sanskrit Wikipedia and other
>Wikimedia 
> projects!(by
>  Subhashish Panigrahi, October 16, 2012).
>- Wikipedia workshop @ Inmantec College, 
> Ghaziabad(by 
> Nitika Tandon, October 19, 2012).
>- Bridging Gender Gap in Pune: WikiWomenDay 2012 Celebrated with
>Success! (by 
> Subhashish Panigrahi, PAI International Learning Solutions, Azam
>Campus, Pune, October 28, 2012).
>- First Pune Odia Wikipedia 
> Organized!(by
>  Subhashish Panigrahi, October 31, 2012).
>
> # Event Organised
>
>- Wikipedia Hackathon at 
> BITSHyderabad
>  (organized by CIS - A2K team and BITS-Pilani, Hyderabad, October
>26 – 27, 2012).
>
> # Press Coverage
>
>- Odisha: Odia Wikipedia workshop organized in Pune to promote Odia
>language 
> (OdishaDiary.com, October 
> 31, 2012).
>
> # Team Updates
>
>- The A2K 
> teamconsists of 
> three members based in Delhi: Nitika
>Tandon , Subhashish
>Panigrahi  and Noopur 
> Raval
>.
>- We are seeking applications for the post of Programme 
> Director(Access to 
> Knowledge) for New Delhi office.
>- Shiju Alex , Programme
>Manager, Access to Knowledge is leaving the organisation. November 16, 2012
>will be his last working day. We wish him success in all his future
>endeavours.
>
> About CIS 
> CIS was registered as a society in Bangalore in 2008. As an independent,
> non-profit research organisation, it runs different policy research
> programmes such as Accessibility , Access
> to Knowledge , 
> Openness,
> Internet Governance , and
> Telecom .
>
> *CIS is grateful to its donors, Wikimedia Foundation, Ford Foundation,
> Privacy International, UK, Hans Foundation and the Kusuma Trust which was
> founded by Anurag Dikshit and Soma Pujari, philanthropists of Indian
> origin, for its core funding and support for most of its projects.*
> Follow us elsewhere
>
>- Get short, timely messages from us on 
> Twitter
>- Join the CIS group on 
> Facebook
>- Visit us at http://cis-india.org 
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Noopur Raval
>
> Programme Officer,
>
> Centre for Internet & Society, Bangalore
>
> http://cis-india.org/
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to contribute to Hindi and Nepali Wikipedia

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

And we have below for Gujarati too...

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gu.wiki_welcome_video.ogv

Dhaval Vyas
On 19 Sep 2012 06:53, "Yann Forget"  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I didn't see this here.
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:How_to_contribute_to_Hindi_Wikipedia.ogv
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:How_to_write_in_Nepali_wiki.ogv
>
> Best regards,
>
> Yann
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] An adieu to the Wikimedia India Movement

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

True, its shame that because of a bunch of people or concerns raised for a
programme, Tinu had to take this decision.

But, Tinu I hope you continue editing and supprting wiki in your own
capacity without any tags associated.

Dhaval
On 25 Jul 2012 12:38, "Saroj Dhakal"  wrote:

>  On 7/25/2012 4:17 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
>
> Tinu, It is upsetting that you are quitting the movement, as you were
> my first Wiki friend and it was at your place that I met like mined
> people as part of the movement. However, all that matters is that you
> will continue editing, and I hope we can remain edit buddies like we
> were in 2009.
> Cheers,
>
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> though .
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting Chatasabha

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

Me too. The IEP must scale beyond and interact at levels beyond the
> reach of the community. Just a  few success stories at that level,
> where the community cannot reach, are more than enough to justify IEP
> and its large budget but a lot of success in things that the community
> should/can/could do is a serious waste of money and reduces community
> space for involvement.


I echo in what Ashwin said above. These things are managed by communities
anyways, what's the special need of making individual communities
handicapped by unnecessary involvement of IP, and on the same hand its
waste of budget and expertise (if any) of India programme professionals.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] HT City, New Delhi : Wiki meet for Delhi tomorrow

[Dhaval S. Vyas]

>
> Replicating this kind of project in an Indian city is possible, but
> may be difficult given the lack of coverage of minor topics in books
> and on the web.


That's the major issue we face on India related topics, especially on
places.
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