I'm sure most know that was a 'play' and basically secured Moto's
position to sell WIMAX gear to the 2nd largest 2.5GHz spectrum holder.
It would have been interesting if Alvarion had been in their place...not
sure if you guys have that kind of change sitting around.
Jon Langeler
Michwave
That is what we need right now. But we need even more to go forward and
we need to know we can have it.
You have a Good Day now,
Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
Office Phone: 905 349-2084
Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm
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David E. Smith wrote:
Carl A Jeptha wrote:
We
We, upstream and ourselves, want the capability to use whoever we want
(multihomed) for our connection.
You have a Good Day now,
Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
Office Phone: 905 349-2084
Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm
skype cajeptha
Matt Liotta wrote:
David E. Smith wrote:
(ARIN
I have always questioned why Motorola bought Nextnet, Nexnet it's a
proprietary system with no upgrade path to Wimax... But my theory is based
on them buying Nexnet to clear them out and offer Clearwire a Wimax upgrade
path using the Wi4 Wimax plataform ...
Gino A. Villarini
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Carl A Jeptha wrote:
We, upstream and ourselves, want the capability to use whoever we want
(multihomed) for our connection.
For you, that could be a problem. If you're only using 30 or so IP
addresses, you probably won't be able to independently multihome. (Most
Tier 1 ISPs won't accept or
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I'm going to talk about changes in state regulation of
telecommunications, a topic that's usually a
Anyone tried the service in Anaheim yet? Must have missed this one.
http://www.ajc.com/today/content/epaper/editions/today/business_442c67b8767e
406210c1.html New Orleans is supposed to be lit up in four weeks but I do
not see any Tropos radios on the streets.
Superior Wireless
New Orleans,La.
You will need to be able to justify at least a /24 to be multi-homed and
you will need to be able to justify at least a /22 to get your own IPs.
-Matt
Carl A Jeptha wrote:
We, upstream and ourselves, want the capability to use whoever we want
(multihomed) for our connection.
You have a Good
Gino, I have to admit Alvarion has some work to do for the smaller wisp's
out there. Patrick will have his hands full on this one. But for wisps
buying 100 packs on a bi or monthly plan the pricing below just doesn't seem
like such a deal breaker anymore when you add up the feature sets. For a few
Price is always a factor, but we would gladly pay a premium for VL with the
sorely needed HARDWARE improvements:
(1) Dual Polarity via software
(2) Dual Band 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz
These are time tested proven valuable HARDWARE features that VL is lacking.
With these features added to VL there
From my understanding the business is up for grabs. Moto got a foot hold on
current cell sites and deployments. It remains to be seen what happens to
new cell/city rollouts. Brad
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Brad Belton wrote:
Price is always a factor, but we would gladly pay a premium for VL with the
sorely needed HARDWARE improvements:
(1) Dual Polarity via software
(2) Dual Band 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz
I know trango does dual polarity, but who does dual band?
These are time tested
Jon, When it's WiMAX they'll be using OFDM and their current older
modulation techniques will be out the window...reliable pipes are being sold
every day on BreezeAccess VL with and without voip. Brad
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Brad Belton, Respectfully, there are 100's of wisp's proving you wrong. OFDM
in UL has its place and making blanket statements to the contrary makes
little sense. There is great debate in the industry of what value Dual
Polarity via software offers an OFDM UL system. There is also considerable
Wow, instead of local monopolies, they now get to be state-wide
monopolies...
GReat idea...
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For the record, my use of Alvarion is to feed high-end business
customers and towers only at this time. I still cannot make a business
case for Alvarion for SoHo and Resi. I do not plan to make that move
until I see Alvarion has a way to make that pay. A 24 to 36 month ROI
does not work for
Hello Brad,
I think you are missing the point of the thread here. The point is to offer
up constructive criticism of the VL product and how end users feel it could
be improved upon.
Are you saying adding a RSSI reading, adding dual polarity and adding dual
band ability would not further improve
I think maybe this thread is getting unproductive. Let's either move on
to other vendor specific issues that are new or move on to another thread.
Scriv
Brad Larson wrote:
Brad Belton, Respectfully, there are 100's of wisp's proving you wrong. OFDM
in UL has its place and making blanket
Man, that must be nice! I've got residential customers that get all bent
out of shape when their tests drop below one meg, either way.
We have resi customers that get 3+ megs. BOTH ways.
sigh. I'm in the wrong dang market out here!
But what the heck, we also get recommended by many of
Patrick,
At this point, our company has made the decision that the loss in
performance is not worth the benefits
I agree that a wider spectrum product has RF trade offs compared to designed
for a narrower band, when done via a simplistic design, and I understand
Alvarion's position not to
I was referring to On-the-Fly Dual Pol,Dual
Freq, Dual Radio, Dual Ethernet. Or improved manufacturering
methods,allowing lower costs of production. But you've answered that
point in pastposts of this thread already. I guess all I was trying to say was, why not take the same pride that
Again, is the goal to get the best link, or the
strongest signal? Although I get the arguement, that RSSI allows you the best
alignment, I'd rather know the SNR, because it helps me determine where the
noise is without having to do another time consuming step of testing for noise
before
It took me a while to get this. But doing it by SNR
actually is a big time saver during installtion. With alternate brands, we need
to do several tests to determine if a radio is optimally aligned.
Meaning alternate brands, judging by lights, only
gave us a signal strength, but we still had
I agree with that statement. (except you made a typo, should be without
dish).
But isn't the Canopy CPE without a dish also useless?
Canopy CPE and Trango CPE, I believe both have 8 dbi antennas, and the
Trango Atlas CPE performs within spec of what a 8 dbi antenna is expected to
deliver.
Patrick Leary wrote:
I have a very interesting new (this month) pdf about this topic that
compares Canopy Advantage and BreezeACCESS VL in a variety of ways, from
a coverage modeling example using high end propagation software to VoIP
stats using company documents from both companies.
We
Until, the IRS decides that they can not be
considered a contractor, because they do not do work for other people, and are
not solely in control of how a job gets done.
To do it legal, its pretty important that
installer's companybecomes Incorporated or LLC. Once they do that,
its hard to
Hello again Patrick,
I see I failed to respond to a couple questions you had in the last
paragraph of your post and wanted to respond now that I have a little time.
By the way, training does not have to be $1,000 a head, as you know. We
offer people to pay for the whole class than they can sell
I'm not missing the point at all. There is a debate and the findings aren't
there yet whether OFDM and antenna polarity have a true benefit in outdoor
UL PTMP systems and a 5.3/5.8 offering takes away from the current products
spec's which is not a trade off were willing to do at this time. OK?
right – but I hand them the EQ, name and number and let them
schedule their installs.
They pay me $10 back if I hear from a customer that they didn’t
make an appointment, and they credit me the install if I
get a complaint serious enough from the customer.. J
R
From:
Travis,
That is a very good point. And one of the reasons that I'm trying so hard
to stick with Trango.
Using something else other than Trango for me, is almost like cheating on my
wife.
But there is a slight difference in modifying each of the two.
Modifing a Trango unit, also may infringe
Excellent points Marlon. I support your
view.
Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless
Broadband
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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:14
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channel planning. hah! as if everyone worked nicely together.
I rather like Canopy with its GPS. It makes it a competition killer. :)
And yes, even Alvarion EQ can't handle it...
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Patrick Leary wrote:
Why is that the case? You really think GPS on Canopy is some cool
feature? Canopy must have GPS to function. Without it, it kills itself.
It is all to prevent self-inflicted interference (remember, Canopy does
not even have ATPC) and to allow for channel re-use. Other
Sure. Please send me offlist your direct e-mail Eric. My e-mail is
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- Patrick
Patrick,
I would be very interested in obtaining this doc
...Eric
This footnote confirms that this
Overall, Motorola corporate has made excellent decisions and executed
very well when it comes to this total space of wireless and I know every
one of them. From the launch of Canopy to the latest buy of Symbol, for
sure arguably the best end-to-end strategic decision making in the
business. They
Hello Brad,
Forgive me as I just now realized you are with Alvarion and not an end user.
Refresh my memory; did we speak on the phone a few weeks ago regarding our
initial VL deployment? If so, I want to publicly thank you for your time
and expertise. Your input is/was valuable and I appreciate
I'm speaking about multipoint matt, not ptp. The dedicated ptp you are
doing is by far the exception. Canopy is designed, built, and sold to be
primarily a pmp system. I've never met or heard of a Canopy pmp network
of any scale that did not require GPS.
If I am wrong, I am happy to eat crow.
I thought a /20 was the minimum allocation.
Also not sure that it would be cost justified for IP blocks smaller than /19
all things considered.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Tom DeReggi wrote:
I thought a /20 was the minimum allocation.
Also not sure that it would be cost justified for IP blocks smaller
than /19 all things considered.
When it comes to IPs you can't cost justify it since you can't justify a
larger block, but need the protection of not having to
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Hello Brad,
Forgive me as I just now realized you are with Alvarion and not an end user.
Refresh my
On 9/25/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought a /20 was the minimum allocation.Also not sure that it would be cost justified for IP blocks smaller than /19all things considered./22 IFF multi-homed.
http://www.arin.net/registration/guidelines/ipv4_initial_alloc.html-- Dylan
Hello Brian,
Sure it does. Trango M5830 is a dual polarity and dual band product. It
can operate in the 5.8GHz or 5.3GHz bands in either horizontal or vertical
polarity on the fly all via software commands.
The M5830 has been a solid workhorse for years for us. The only drawback to
the
On Mon, September 25, 2006 1:30 pm, Tom DeReggi wrote:
I thought a /20 was the minimum allocation.
Also not sure that it would be cost justified for IP blocks smaller than
/19
all things considered.
From the ARIN NRPM (abridged): You can't multihome unless you have at
least a /24, but ARIN
For sure I am no expert there. Plenty of skilled Canopy users here and I
believe to a WISP here each one that is scaled uses the GPS sync. I
leave it to them to chime in. Some already have, like Jon L., Rick S.,
Gino, Mike B.
I just know we get no requests for it from VL users an there would be
C'mon Patrick .. GPS is not a must on Canopy, I have half of my pops without
it ... I don't really like when people make statements like this, you sound
like you have years of hands on Canopy experience...
Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143
Hello Scriv,
Sorry to bore you...certainly not our intent. You last attempt to end the
thread was met with others posting not Brad or me.
Regardless, I agree we're done with it.
Best,
Brad
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Well, so far as we can tell the only thing that can kill canopy, IS CANOPY.
We have put it up against WaveRider, Alvarion, and 802.11b. They all fell of
the face of the earth.
We have 16 tower sites deployed, all 900Mhz and 2.4, over 1000 CPE and more
on the way. (I realize there are many people
Please forgive my outburst of rude, brash behavior here. I had a bad day
and I should know better than to type while I am mad!
Scriv
John Scrivner wrote:
Brad and Brad. You guys are getting boringsaying the same drivel
over and over. PLEASE either take your broken record off line or say
Hello all,
I'm looking for a good source for satellite arms (j-poles) for mounting
CPE units. It seems that I can always pick some up locally or from
some different places, but I have not had any luck lately and I have a
couple of consulting customers who are looking for large quantities.
Hi,
First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI.
What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile
range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far,
causing self-interference, correct?
Travis
Microserv
Anthony Will wrote:
Answers
this one takes the cake...
http://www.dslreports.com/speak/slideshow/16975148?c=1067559ret=L2ZvcnVtL3JlbWFyaywxNjk3NTE0OA%3D%3D
wow!
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Hey Patrick, GPS...there's many reasons and it's not a canopy vs
alvarion debate from my standpoint, more so a scheduled mac(canopy,
wimax, 3G...) vs unscheduled(wifi, VL, currently Trango). I'd predict
that as wisp education progresses, they will realize the power of
scheduled mac and GPS
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