Ubiquiti Ls5 is stickered isn't it ?
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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions?
RB112+CM9+Rootenna if
In general we only limit the connections for residential and the lowest
end business packages- The higher end packages have no limits although
we will usually restrict peer to peer unless the business customers asks
us not too..
This has proved to be a very effective tool for those residential
Good news (I think). Trango has found an issue with the M5580 and is
working on a fix. In the mean time, I have replaced the troubled site with
an older FOX 5800S and all seems to be well.
Here is Trango's update...
Don,
Unfortunately the solution will take sometime. Looking over
http://www.vip.net.id/macan/025_AP_CMM_gen_1_manual.pdf Page24
Superior Wireless
New Orleans,La.
www.superior1.com
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From: Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Canopy sync
Thank you very much.
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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy sync pinout
http://www.vip.net.id/macan/025_AP_CMM_gen_1_manual.pdf Page24
Yeah, me too. That or LOWER it. Anything to get out of that bounce.
marlon
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From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range
I've
Hi All,
OK, we're not going to get most wisps to fill out the 477 any time soon. At
least it's historically looking that way.
2 years ago I brow beat the major vendors and manufacturers into giving me
the number of wisps that they show on the books and/or radios sold into the
US market in
9.) WISPA is run by a volunteer board of operators at this time. To become
a truly effective trade association, we must look to hire a full time staff
which will form procedures, policy, update website content, email members,
collect dues, manage books, lobby more effectively and work through
Don,
Are they saying this is with all 5580's or just your particular unit?
-RickG
On 2/18/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good news (I think). Trango has found an issue with the M5580 and is
working on a fix. In the mean time, I have replaced the troubled site with
an older FOX 5800S
All of the 5850s!
We have tried 2 different units at this site and have seen this issue
before. I imagine they will release a firmware patch. Hopefully sooner
than later.
- Don
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Maybe talk to the folks at Pew Internet or the group who started the lawsuit
with the FCC for release of the form 477 data? It may sound like a crazy
idea but I think both of those groups are just looking for the data to draw
conclusions. The idea of a University is a great one too but that might
I agree with Brian - a Pew Internet study would give the most respected
results. Perhaps the other group wants to chip in.
Best,
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Sticker conscious? So this is what we've become as an industry?
Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated to
us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now been
reduced to simply being sticker conscious or not sticker conscious?
Why not go further and
http://stpete.org/news/021507.htm
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Hold your Horses there Sir Patrick! There was one comment that used that in
their post - I don't think that we as an industry have evolved to that
level of degradation in dealing with the laws of the land air. There will
always be renegades in every avenue of life, but we are not in that
Marlon,
I understand that the vast majority of WISPs have chosen not to file the 477
form (or in the alternative they just don't know that they are supposed to
file).
Just out of curiousity, what do you hope to accomplish by locating the
thousands of non-compliant WISPs? Are you hoping to
Marty,
How are you limiting the number of connections to your customer? Sorry
if you have answered previously. I am a bit lost in all the posts lately.
Thanks,
Scriv
Marty Dougherty wrote:
In general we only limit the connections for residential and the lowest
end business packages- The
We use an Allot bandwidth manager that sits between the customer and our
last router. I was mentioning that we limit our basic family plan to 75
connections and our family power plan to 100 connections.
Marty
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I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak
once. Wispa membership has been a good experience for me. However,
Patrick has once again, been the HIGH MiGHTY, and jumped all over my
one phrase. I did not mean to imply anything illegal about my in
tensions, other than I
rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak
once. Wispa membership has been a good experience for me. However,
Patrick has once again, been the HIGH MiGHTY, and jumped all over my
one phrase. I did not mean to imply anything illegal about my
Oh, let me add one thing though, the members only list is free of
vendors pitching their wares or bragging about their past or trying to
influence through propaganda..
Of course it's only open to paying WISPA members. But it is fairly private.
George
Welcome to WISPA
www.wispa.org
Patrick,
Please just pick up the phone and contact the FCC yourself. Apply for
the job, get a shiny badge and go out on the range to take down all
of the Illegal wisps you see out there.
Every other email from you on this list (even when the thread starts
with someone asking for advice)
The FCC has given some unlicensed spectrum, in part, to help make lower
cost access and more access to broadband available in the US. Future
access to more of this unlicensed spectrum will require some
accountability by the FCC that unlicensed spectrum is helping to serve
that purpose. By not
Your competitors thank you for ignoring some of the best gear on the
market.
I'm not an Alvarion proponent, or apologist. There's lots of other
good gear on the market that's the equal of Alvarion.
But in no other segment of the telecommunications industry are BASIC,
FUNDAMENTAL,
Steve, problem is not in Patricks message, for sure they are real and we
should be thankful that he wants to help.
Issue as I see it is, he dominates the list more than some care to read
as a vendor.
If he toned it down some, he would be doing himself justice.
Also,
Although Alvarion is a
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That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range
from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300 --
that's cheap.
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Patrick, your input on low cost 5.8 CPEs is appreciated. Please let
me know where I can purchase 5.8G CPEs at $170? We need to
John,
I'm certainly not arguing against WISP compliance with the reporting
requirement. Rather, I'm trying to clarify WISPA's interest in identifying
WISPs across the nation. It sounds to me that you are looking at this from
the prospective of a lobbying effort. If we can show more WISPs then
Larry Yunker wrote:
Is WISPA planning to use strong-arm tactics (report
or we'll report you)
I for one would never betray the trust of another wisp by ratting them
out or - forwarding their posted messages on these lists to others -
without their prior approval. As has happened recently.
Dylan Oliver wrote:
I agree with Brian - a Pew Internet study would give the most respected
results. Perhaps the other group wants to chip in.
Best,
You could probably get a University marketing professor to do it.
Cost? Not much more than $500.
Regards,
Peter Radizeski
RAD-INFO, Inc. -
Many of you probably don't follow the FCC much, so let me tell you about
the stroke of a pen:
UNE-P which was the magic bullet for CLECs. No facilities needed. Rock
bottom pricing on voice lines. Market and sell. Z-Tel and a few others
had over 500k lines. Unfortunately, they didn't listen
Well your probably right, but a couple of things.
Everyone pays up front an install and activation fee and the numbers I
posted are approx.
2nd thing, how much is bandwidth cost?
Most people look at their high bandwidth usage and say that is how much
they are paying and that is how much it
Hi,
You make good points... however, the better question is how much money
did Z-Tel take out of the business during this time? I would bet the
owners and investors made BIG money during this time... so, so what if
they are out of business now? If they made millions during that time,
then it
Travis,
Are saying you are using 5.4 GHz radios in the US?
Scriv
Travis Johnson wrote:
Hi,
You make good points... however, the better question is how much money
did Z-Tel take out of the business during this time? I would bet the
owners and investors made BIG money during this time... so,
I was just asking you to examine what the true costs are of delivering
service.
You correct about the unused BW - and for most BW is a fixed monthly
cost, same as rent, tower, payroll.
All that needs to be considered when tackling pricing.
Back in the T1 days, the over-subscription was
Travis Johnson wrote:
Hi,
You make good points... however, the better question is how much money
did Z-Tel take out of the business during this time? I would bet the
owners and investors made BIG money during this time... so, so what if
they are out of business now? If they made millions
John,
Maybe I missed something, but how do you get from Travis' statement that
any user could do it, to questioning Travis as to whether that was a
claim to
have done it himself?
John Vogel
John Scrivner wrote:
Travis,
Are saying you are using 5.4 GHz radios in the US?
Scriv
Travis
No kidding.
So...in one breath you're saying WISPA isn't playing the FCC Cop, and in
another you make a completely unfounded comment like this? shaking head
I must have missed where Travis said he was deploying 5.4GHz APs and
thumbing his nose at the FCC.
Geesh, what an outlandish and
Upsell, that is where I do not do as well.
You are right on Peter.
I also have a pc shop, and do fairly well at selling hardware, although
that is not as profitable as I would like it to be.
George
Peter R. wrote:
I was just asking you to examine what the true costs are of delivering
COMMENTS INLINE -
Where have we asked to identify WISPs at all? I am not looking to
identify WISPs. I do get asked all the time by regulators, legislators,
press, investors, etc. how many WISPs there are and how much of the US we
serve. I cannot give a qualified answer. Nobody can because
I've been putting some thought into how to best identify WISPs across the
country. Here are the methods that strike me as possibilities assuming that
the orgs were willing to cooperate.
1) WISPA member list
2) Part-15.org member list
3) WiNOG list
4) Any state lists generated due to state
Mac,
That's good news that some previously illegal gear is now undergoing FCC
certification. It is good for everyone, regardless of what finally led
them to earn it. As WISPs, you should use that cert as a minimum litmus
test, because it will tell you much more than just the cert itself; it
tells
Ho ho ho Patrick,
So, to add to the list of reasons why a lot of wisps use uncertified gear.
One reason that was exposed, was that manufacturers were not keeping up
with technology fast enough and the kit systems offered newer technology
and allowed a wisp to be more innovative
What say you
Suggestion to ensure that there is some form of contratoral non-discolosure,
etc. Same thing the FCC has.
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From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wisp survey
I've
Also something to think about.
Moexxxus wrote:
Did you speak at all about CALEA?
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Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] My FCC visit
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:12:11 -0800
From: geowires [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, we were supposed to, but the weather canceled the FBI.
We
As the old saying goes, ignorance is no excuse for knowing the law...
Sure, keeping up with the FCC is at times daunting, but they have a website
section dedicated to wireless; http://wireless.fcc.gov/ and also a mailing
list of FCC actions. There are also many other resources as well.
As a
Larry,
Where the heck did you come up with those questions? I don't think WISPA
is ever going to try to be a police organization, but we are already a
lobbying group. I hate you even brought up such ridiculous notions as those
you listed.
Mac
Behalf Of Larry Yunker:
If WISPA can identify
I think this needs to be on our member only list as well. I think its
ridiculous and harmful for such crazy comments and questions to be
made/asked on an open mailing list that is archived for eternity as well!!
Both cents worth,
Mac Dearman
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Larry,
Great ideas! It would take some time, people and money to contact each
one.
Think of all the memberships you could acquire :)
Now we need some ideas on how to do the contacting.
Any FTC or FCC money available for that??
Frank, something more helpful would have been better than the
No. I am saying anyone with an internet account, credit card and
shipping address could purchase 5.4ghz equipment TODAY and deploy it
TODAY. Granted its not FCC certified and not technically legal right
now... but, it could be done.
Travis
John Scrivner wrote:
Travis,
Are saying you are
Strange as it may seem Rabbtux, you'll not find me saying Oh no, I've
gone too far because this guy won't buy my gear now. I will remain
consistent and provocative. For sure no other vendor has the chutzpah to
do it (or maybe cares about WISPs enough to do it) and someone has to
lead. Playing nice
That'd be Tranzeo. Not sure the volume that gets you that price, but I
know some who pay that for their 802.11a stuff. It has some nice
features, to include even 5 MHz channels. Tranzeo is doing lots of
things right and they've earned the loyalty of some WISPs I respect
hugely, and that's good
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:27:18 -0600 (CST), Butch Evans wrote
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, Tom DeReggi wrote:
The idea behind component certification and filing DoC type of
certifications, is that there IS a sticker, and that sticker refers to a
filing that describes EXACTLY what's in the box, whether
Sorry (Mac, Scriv, Marlon and others)... I didn't mean to stir things up. I
really just wondered why there was talk about determining how many WISPs are
out there. I think WISPA has the right idea about helping WISPs through
lobbying and I now understand that the goal of gathering numbers of
George, ones person's innovation is something that might another
person nothing but migraines. If you think you getting cutting edge
innovation and state of the art technology from the uncertified
manufacturers I don't know what to tell you except your technology
exposure may be a bit narrow.
Great. I looked into it.
From the Tranzeo website, I find the TR5a series for $367, and the
lowest cost 5Ghz unit at $287 (16db antenna) which isn't good for the
4-5 mile range. I doubt they will cut prices to $170 for an order of
5. Is there somewhere else I can look, Tranzeo looks like
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:32:42 -0800, Patrick Leary wrote
Sticker conscious? So this is what we've become as an industry?
Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated
to us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now been
reduced to simply being sticker
Aw come on now.
Thats was just a not well thought out hip shot slur.
Fact was you just said Tranzeo you admired. They were innovative. Been
there for 5 years now. I used them when you were selling FHSS as the
ultimate 2.4 solution.
Here is you chance, list your companies innovations by
I was honestly not sure what he was saying. For all I know he was saying
these are available in legal form at this price. I have heard they are
out there and that there are two which have been certified for legal use
in the Us but nobody has ever said what brand they are, who sells them,
what
And, just list the American UL stuff, skip the non American and licensed
gear.
George Rogato wrote:
Aw come on now.
Thats was just a not well thought out hip shot slur.
Fact was you just said Tranzeo you admired. They were innovative. Been
there for 5 years now. I used them when you were
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:52:04 -0800, Patrick Leary wrote
George, ones person's innovation is something that might another
person nothing but migraines. If you think you getting cutting edge
innovation and state of the art technology from the uncertified
manufacturers I don't know what to tell
Don't make too many assumptions about what your price will be by looking
at list prices, for example, our CPE available in the AlvarionCOMNET
program for $285 (does require a 25 per quarter commitment), lists with
a MSRP of $1,095. Not being too familiar with Tranzeo, you'll have to
ask them or
Guys I am taking a vacation from WISPA for a while. I am scheduled to
speak in D.C. before New America's caucus at the Senate Office Building
before Commerce Committee on this Thursday to lobby for unlicensed
access to TV channel spectrum. My Mother-in-law just died unexpectedly
about 3 hours
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:20:31 -0600, John Scrivner wrote
John, my condolences at your loss. Please take whatever time you need to
deal with things, you will never regret it, and your family and friends will
appreciate it.
My prayers are with you and your family at a time of hurt and
...But if you wish to become an advocate for this industry,...
LOL, but for better of for worse Mark, that happened a long time ago.
As for the FCC protecting Alvarion's interests. Don't make me choke with
laughter. The FCC could care a less about the welfare of our company and
that's not
Thanks Rick,
I have subscribed, suggestion though, create a US list also and then all
of your FCC and Calea problems can be aired there and we can use the
wisp for general private discussion.
I would suggest that US Wisps should air the views on the above issues
in private and the General list
Be careful George, you are taunting Patrick with that one. :-)
The last time someone did that, he posted a several page book, listing about
50 reasons how the VL series innovated beyond its competitors. Alvarion may
not offer all the same flexibility as the other oem products, but it sure is
Anything that uses an Atheros chipset can do 5.4Ghz, if the software driver
has not been modified to restrict it.
Any of these radios packaged for international use, may have an option to
select 5.4Ghz.
Or for that matter download and flash an Inernational Firmware.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL
John,
I send my regards. Stay strong and focused.
We'll hold down the fort until your return.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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George, this is a child's game. The market is the arbiter of who and
what is successful and our macro success is there for all to read via
any of the market reports about this space since there were reports. And
as a public company, our financials are there for all the study.
Now, that said, has
You know Patrick, I for the most part have respect for you and your
opinion, but when it comes to this issue you are so blinded by it you
don't even stop to think about your reply.
I stated it that way because I have absolutely no idea if rabbtux
rabbtux is in the US or not. It is a gmail
wispa wrote:
Once we're a regulated industry, and at this point the FCC and Congress are
SERIOUSLY attempting to take control the WISP and ISP business, we exist, or
we do not exist, at the stroke of a pen, totally at the WHIM of someone who
neither knows, nor cares, whether we live or die,
How true, how true. It is just a question of how much regulation
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Peter R. wrote:
wispa wrote:
Once we're a regulated industry, and at this point the FCC and
Congress are SERIOUSLY attempting to take control the WISP and ISP
business, we exist, or
Sam, you are right. During this whole thread I have been reflexive about
assuming U.S. and I did assume you discussing it from a U.S. standpoint.
I was wrong to assume that and I apologize.
To all non-U.S. (well, this really does include Canada since the domains
share so much in common from a UL
George,
On the isp-wireless list, in your plea to other WISPs imploring them to
file FCC form 477 you say, and I quote, Don't ponder whether or not you
want to, but rather it's the law and your hurting your industry and are
subject to penalties.
Damn, that could be an EXACT quote from ME with
I think everyone is missing the real problem with 5.4ghz.
How big of a piece of crap is our military radar that a $49 minipci
wireless card and a homemade pringles antenna can render it useless???
;^)
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
J. Vogel wrote:
Fair enough. I might have been a little on
:) But their guns are huge.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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I believe the new Tranzeo SL5-16 is around the $170 price range in
quantity 20.They are available directly from Tranzeo or from
distributors in the US like ElectroComm, Doubleradius and Streakwave. I
have bought from all three places and they have always done good by me.
I have about 10
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