goes.
marlon
- Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Just to throw another log on, here's the CTIA's approach
Michael Erskine wrote:
The ILECs have been building the POTS network since 1900. They are
not incompetent and they understand how to buy power.
Actually, maybe not incompetent but entirely without vision and with an
eye only to quarterly numbers.
Your best recipe for retaining customers -
Smith, Rick wrote:
I can tell you for a fact that Embarq and Verizon have 700 Mhz
and FTTP on their radar BIG time.
It's that whole battle vs. war thing... They're willing to
get their heads handed to them 9 times because that 10th is
their nuke...
OK I've gotta throw away this devil's
it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Smith, Rick wrote:
I can tell you for a fact that Embarq and Verizon have 700 Mhz
and FTTP on their radar BIG time.
It's that whole battle vs. war thing... They're willing to
get their heads handed to them 9 times because that 10th is
their nuke...
OK
Of Smith, Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:21 AM
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Rumors of Embarq pulling fiber in NW NJ. I'm trying to figure this one
out,
since it's home for me :)
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marlon
- Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Just to throw another log on, here's the CTIA's approach:
WASHINGTON
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From: John Scrivner
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Sent: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:38:41 -0800
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Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
The bad thing about Google's wholesale push is this:
We
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Hi,
Maybe you need to read my posts a little better... I think I have said it
twice already, but I will say it again:
I am not after Google
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
The bad thing about Google's wholesale push is this:
We asked for bidding credits and CMA sized blocks in the upper and lower
700 MHz bands in the upcoming auction. If Google gets
W.D.McKinney wrote:
If Google wins, the spectrum will be tied up for a long time with little on no
use right away.
I suspect most of Google's business plan here is get spectrum, lease
spectrum, earn lots of money with little actual work, and in that case
it's in their best interest to get
W.D.McKinney wrote:
Yes indeed, big cash boys will be the driver in 700MHz side, sure wish it was
designated for the WISP folks directly so that we could see some real
innovation.
If Google wins, the spectrum will be tied up for a long time with little on no
use right away.
Cheers,
-Dee
The leasing mechanism could be interesting. You would have to sell over
a long period or with the right of first refusal on lease termination
otherwise there would be no serious bidders if you are not guaranteed
long term access to the spectrum.
What would be really interesting would be if
Could you imagine tech support on 4.1 million self installed CPEs? If
every customer called once per year that would only be 11232 calls per
day ;)
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Travis Johnson wrote:
Yes, I remember the dark fiber... and so, the question remains, how
much fiber did
4.1 million users, say 1/4 were paying 19.99. Thats 20.4 million.
Assume each call takes 20 min to handle. I person can take 24 20 min
calls in 8 hours, assuming no breaks. That would need 468 call support
personnel. Someone correct me, but did not AOL release numbers that
they had like 7 million
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From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Yeah right. Google is gonna come up with 4.6 BILLION and THEN tell the
FCC that they should
: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
There has to be more to the everyone can use it stuff... Google is going
to spend 4.6 Billion and then just let anyone that wants to use it for
free?
Or comparing to the modem stuff, you had to connect to a specific ISP
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Could you imagine tech support on 4.1 million self installed CPEs? If
every customer called once per year that would only be 11232 calls per day
it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
4.1 million users, say 1/4 were paying 19.99. Thats 20.4 million.
Assume each call takes 20 min to handle. I person can take 24 20 min
calls in 8 hours, assuming no breaks. That would need 468 call support
personnel. Someone correct me, but did not AOL
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From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Remember when Google was buying up dark fiber?
It scared everyone.
Now Google is going to bid
makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
And thus you just hit the nail on the head... and it brings us back full
circle to the original subject of this thread...
Google is going to bid on 700mhz spectrum... billions of dollars... then,
once they own it, they are going to start some type
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From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
I'm not sure what the hell your problem is, but you really need to get a
grip. I started
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From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Although, its smart to ask those questions, and keep a midful eye open for
posibilities
, July 23, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Although, its smart to ask those questions, and keep a midful eye open for
posibilities and threats...
Can you
compete with FREE service, using 700mhz NLOS technology (meaning
self-install, take
Travis Johnson wrote:
Yes, I remember the dark fiber... and so, the question remains, how
much fiber did they buy? They are now bidding on 700mhz spectrum, and
could connect everything back to their main datacenters with all the
dark fiber they purchased previously. ;)
And I never said they
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
There has to be more
I don't fear the ILEC's... they are regulated and can be easily sued. We
have sued Qwest twice and won both times... once for slow delivery of
new lines and another time for billing errors.
Travis
Microserv
Michael J. Erskine wrote:
Travis Johnson wrote:
Yes, I remember the dark fiber... and
Do you guys really think that Google wants to build out a nationwide
wireless network?
It's CORE business is search. It needs to focus on that.
It's other core is advertising. It has DoubleClick now too (probably).
You think it can spend not the meoney but the resources and focus on
wireless?
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Do you guys really think that Google wants to build out a nationwide
wireless network?
It's CORE business is search. It needs to focus
Try filing a suit for taking your customers... :-\
You won't win that one. They have the same sort of pockets you fear in
Google, except that they have already proven they will sell you DSL at
twice the price they will offer retail...
When we started reselling Verizon DSL we paid them
I figured it out a long time ago wireless internet go around the
big bad phone company... since 1997. :)
Travis
Microserv
Michael Erskine wrote:
Try filing a suit for taking your customers... :-\
You won't win that one. They have the same sort of pockets you fear
in Google,
Ten years is a good run, Travis.
I wish you would listen to what I post rather than figure out some
smart response.
You have whined and whined about Google, yet you feel that the ILECs are not
a threat.
Besides the fact that you won a legal battle or two, you have no reason
not to
Hi,
Maybe you need to read my posts a little better... I think I have said
it twice already, but I will say it again:
I am not after Google, nor am I saying they are evil. What I am saying
is there is a grand plan already in place with this 700mhz auction they
are considering. They have the
Travis Johnson wrote:
Hi,
Maybe you need to read my posts a little better... I think I have said
it twice already, but I will say it again:
I am not after Google, nor am I saying they are evil. What I am
saying is there is a grand plan already in place with this 700mhz
auction they are
...
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Behalf Of Michael Erskine
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Ten years is a good run, Travis.
I wish you would listen to what I
And thus you just hit the nail on the head... and it brings us back full
circle to the original subject of this thread...
Google is going to bid on 700mhz spectrum... billions of dollars...
then, once they own it, they are going to start some type of wireless
internet service using that
, 2007 11:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
I'm not sure what the hell your problem is, but you really need to
get a grip. I started in the internet space in 1994... back before
Google or even Altavista... back when there were
Travis Johnson wrote:
And thus you just hit the nail on the head... and it brings us back
full circle to the original subject of this thread...
Google is going to bid on 700mhz spectrum... billions of dollars...
then, once they own it, they are going to start some type of wireless
internet
Travis Johnson wrote:
Ok... let's take a look at it for a second... Time Magazine article
from 2006 documents how a senior writer for CNET wanted to see how
much they could learn about the CEO of Google using just Google to
search. Well, they found all kinds of info (address, home phone,
Remember when Google was buying up dark fiber?
It scared everyone.
Now Google is going to bid on spectrum IF a bunch of conditions are met.
Those conditions will NOT be met. (Have you forgotten who chairs the FCC?)
So it is probably just a ploy.
And if they DO win some spectrum, the rules will
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From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:58 AM
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That is wonderful news if you ask me!
Drew Lentz
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yeah, scary eh?
marlon
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From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:48 AM
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Google is quietly and methodically taking
There has to be more to the everyone can use it stuff... Google is
going to spend 4.6 Billion and then just let anyone that wants to use it
for free?
Or comparing to the modem stuff, you had to connect to a specific ISP
(by dialing that number). Are there going to be multiple ISP's in the
My understanding of the rules is that they would not have to allow any
specific level of service for free. Only make the protocol, channel
spacing/width, etc, open and free. Ok so everyone gets dialup for
free, with ads (Think NetZero here). Then, anyone that wants a faster
service pays. They
I agree better Google than the telcos
Jory Privett
WCCS
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From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:58 PM
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From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:58 PM
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That is wonderful news if you ask me!
Drew Lentz
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Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:53 AM
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For now
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I agree better Google than the telcos
Jory Privett
WCCS
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From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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2007 17:48
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Google is quietly and methodically taking control of the internet. They
already control what results we see on a search... and with the purchase of
Postini, they will be able to control what
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Regards
Stephen
CableFree Solutions
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From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 July 2007 17:48
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Google is quietly and methodically taking control of the internet
More important that market cap is the debt. The telcos are laiden with
debt and are borrowing heavy to lay out FTTx (VZ for FiOS and att for
U-verse) and cellular builds.
Google makes them all nervous anyway. The dark fiber talk. The
bandwidth. Now licensed bandwidth.
If there was only a
Travis Johnson wrote:
Google is quietly and methodically taking control of the internet.
They already control what results we see on a search...
No they don't... Once upon a time there was CERN's search engine and
then there was Altavista, and then there was
Yahoo, and then there was MSN,
I'm not sure what the hell your problem is, but you really need to get a
grip. I started in the internet space in 1994... back before Google or
even Altavista... back when there were no real search engines to speak
of... and now today, Google's search is used by 44% of ALL internet
searches...
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
I'm not sure what the hell your problem is, but you really need to get a
grip. I started in the internet space in 1994... back before Google or
even Altavista... back when there were no real search engines to speak
Travis Johnson wrote:
I'm not sure what the hell your problem is, but you really need to get
a grip. I started in the internet space in 1994... back before Google
or even Altavista... back when there were no real search engines to
speak of... and now today, Google's search is used by 44% of
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I'm not sure what the hell your problem is, but you really need to get a
grip. I started in the internet space in 1994... back
That is wonderful news if you ask me!
Drew Lentz
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That is wonderful news if you ask me!
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