Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

[Scott Reed]

All the discussion has been good, but I would like to get back to the original question.  The Watcher is looking at a park and connect, not mobile application.  So, let's assume my network will support him connecting to any POP.  Any suggestions how to bill a customer that is only going to connect 2 to 4 times per month for 6 months a year?

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 




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From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


To: WISPA General List  


Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:28:01 -0500 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 



> 

That's one thing I need to ask him.  I am not sure he needs to 
drive and connect.  It may be park and connect.  I will find 
out.

> 
> I am doing the same thing for the county Mobile Command 
Center.  They take it to a disaster, park and connect.  I am still working on 
that one, but there are not a lot a disasters in our area, so the first one was 
free.

> 
> Scott Reed 

> 

Owner 

> 

NewWays 

> 

Wireless Networking 

> 

Network Design, Installation and Administration 

> 

www.nwwnet.net 

> 
> -- Original Message 

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> 

From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> 

To: WISPA General List  

> 

Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:15 -0500 

> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 

> 
> > Scott Reed wrote: 

> > 

> I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. 
 
He  

> > 

> needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar 

 

> > 

> while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If 

so, how do you  

> > 

> charge for installation, service, etc.? 

> > 

> > 

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell 

> > 

phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I 

> > 

can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of 

> > 

roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category. 

> > 

> > 

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a 

> > 

couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But 

> > 

unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the 

> > 

customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably 

> > 

gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're 

> > 

looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) 

> > 

> > 

David Smith 

> > 

MVN.net 

> > 

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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

[David Weddell]

Come up and see what we are doing on our
WiFi Network. We have the ability to sell service by the hour, 4 hours, 8
hours, 1 day, 1 week……whatever time period you want to use. We do
this on our network today. I will get with you offline to discuss details, but
we are doing this today on our network. It allows truckers to get online while
they are in town waiting on a load or for any of our fixed wireless customers
to travel around on our network in any town that we service.

 



Regards,

David Weddell

Director of Sales

 

260 827 2551 Office

800 363 4881  Ext 2551

260 273 7547 Cell

 

www.onlyinternet.net

www.oibw.net

 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006
6:34 AM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request



 

All the discussion has been good, but I would like to get back to the
original question.  The Watcher is looking at a park and connect, not
mobile application.  So, let's assume my network will support him
connecting to any POP.  Any suggestions how to bill a customer that is
only going to connect 2 to 4 times per month for 6 months a year? 

Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
www.nwwnet.net 


-- Original Message ---

From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: WISPA General List
 
Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:28:01 -0500 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 

> That's one thing I need to ask him. I am not sure he needs to drive and
connect. It may be park and connect. I will find out. 
> 
> I am doing the same thing for the county Mobile
 Command Center.
They take it to a disaster, park and connect. I am still working on that one,
but there are not a lot a disasters in our area, so the first one was free. 
> 
> Scott Reed 
> Owner 
> NewWays 
> Wireless Networking 
> Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> www.nwwnet.net 
> 
> -- Original Message ---

> From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> To: WISPA General List
 
> Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:15 -0500 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 
> 
> > Scott Reed wrote: 
> > > I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn
volunteer watcher. He 
> > > needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can
see the radar 
> > > while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If
so, how do you 
> > > charge for installation, service, etc.? 
> > 
> > Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a
cell 
> > phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I

> > can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of 
> > roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category. 
> > 
> > Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it
a 
> > couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik.
But 
> > unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the 
> > customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably

> > gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're 
> > looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network
:) 
> > 
> > David Smith 
> > MVN.net 
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[WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

[Dawn DiPietro]

FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

Last Update: 5:13 PM ET Sep 18, 2006

(Adds quote in third paragraph and details about Verizon in sixth and 
seventh paragraphs.)
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Communications Commission on 
Monday wrapped up an auction of licenses to provide new wireless 
services, generating almost $13.9 billion in gross proceeds and handing 
T-Mobile USA Inc. the capacity it needs to compete with larger rivals.
T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom AG (DT), was the top bidder, 
bidding almost $4.2 billion for 120 licenses. Verizon Wireless agreed to 
pay $2.8 billion for 13 licenses. A consortium that includes cable 
giants Comcast Corp. (CMCSA, CMCSK) and Time Warner Inc. (TWX), along 
with Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), agreed to pay almost $2.4 billion for 137 
licenses. As a result of their aggressive early moves, many potential 
new players were squeezed out of the game before it got going.
"The dream of new entrants that would shake up the market died," said 
Roger Entner, an analyst for technology research firm Ovum. "The usual 
suspects have won."
The last time an FCC auction drew more bidding was in 2001, when 
regulators reauctioned some licenses they had repossessed from NextWave 
Telecom Inc. But in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the FCC had 
improperly reclaimed the licenses, returning control to NextWave and 
invalidating the auction.
This time, T-Mobile had the most at stake. Although it is the 
fourth-largest U.S. wireless carrier, it has lacked the capacity to 
upgrade its network to run third-generation, or 3-G services. The new 
licenses will put T-Mobile in a more competitive position.
Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, will likely sit on its spectrum. The No. 2 
wireless carrier, a joint venture between Verizon Communications (VZ) 
and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD), has a next-generation network called 
Evolution-Data Optimized, or EV-DO. It doesn't need to use the new 
spectrum for that network. Verizon Wireless is seen using the spectrum 
for wireless technology that is further down the line, although it's 
unclear what that technology may be.

A spokesman for Verizon Wireless wasn't immediately available for comment.
Smaller carriers were able to expand their coverage from select cities 
to a much larger area. For example, Leap Wireless International Inc. 
(LEAP), a smaller, regional company, won 99 licenses, bidding $710 
million for airwaves covering cities including Washington D.C., 
Philadelphia, Baltimore, and St. Louis.
"Leap's push to acquire more spectrum in new high-growth market clusters 
located in urban and suburban areas such as Baltimore, Washington, D.C., 
and Philadelphia will help it withstand the continuous competitive 
pressure from larger... competitors such as Sprint-Nextel and Verizon," 
Jessica Zufolo, an analyst at research firm Medley Advisors, wrote in a 
note to clients.
The U.S. Treasury will receive just $13.7 billion from its latest 
auction because of rules that permit small companies to earn discounts 
of as much as 25%.


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[WISPA] Cities make financial sense of WiFi projects

[Dawn DiPietro]

Cities make financial sense of WiFi projects
Municipalities try to build their business plans around wireless access

By David Essex, Special to GCN

Sascha Meinrath
Access to these resources is too important to have a tollbooth at every 
on-ramp.” Sascha Meinrath,Champaign-Urbana Community Wireless Network, 
on muni WiFi projects


There was something so darned utopian about the whole idea: Bypass the 
powerful telco companies, string up some IEEE 802.11 wireless access 
points and give citizens free or substantially subsidized Internet 
access. And to be sure, there are plenty of city-sponsored hot spots 
around the country where, if you happen to be within WiFi range, you can 
log on free of charge.


But cities got ambitious, and municipal WiFi projects turned into 
crusades for universal broadband, or improved government service or 
economic development. Hot spots weren’t enough, and plans were drawn up 
for wireless mesh networks that spanned many square miles. And on paper, 
muni WiFi sounds great. The million-dollar question is who will pay for 
it. As one systems integrator involved in many high-profile muni WiFi 
deployments told GCN, “2006 is the year of the business plan.”


Muni WiFi networks have their share of skeptics. Many say they compete 
unfairly with private service providers and don’t offer demonstrable 
gain to taxpayers—even from the point of view of economic development, 
which is notoriously hard to quantify.


“I think there are dubious claims that have yet to be backed up by any 
real, hard data,” said Steven Titch, senior fellow at The Heartland 
Institute, a Chicago-based free-market think tank.


But nagging doubts have so far been unable to stop a slew of towns and 
cities from pioneering ubiquitous wireless Internet access.


Reasons aplenty

Public WiFi projects are often justified by a grocery list of benefits 
that entail a wide range of risks as well as rewards.


The lowest-hanging fruit may be the greater mobility that WiFi offers 
government workers, especially police, firefighters and public utility 
workers. In addition, savings are generated by the use of cheaper radios 
and lower labor costs resulting from improved communications coverage 
and reliability that reduce unnecessary travel.


“You can underwrite a large portion of the network based on that alone,” 
said Craig Settles, president of Oakland, Calif.-based consulting firm 
Successful.com.


Cities such as Houston have also found savings in automating the 
management and tracking of such assets as trucks and parking meters.


WiFi also is seen as an economic development tool, attracting 
high-spending professionals to downtown areas and luring or retaining 
companies who want cheap network access and the benefit of a mobile 
workforce. Scottsburg, Ind., (pop. 6,040) spent $300,000 on a city-owned 
network when two significant employers threatened to leave the area.


“That was one of the more dramatic examples of how the technology helped 
a small city keep what little business base it had,” Settles said, 
adding that WiFi at convention centers might help a city compete with 
other convention sites.


Subsidized broadband also can boost depressed areas, which tend to have 
small, marginal businesses that can ill afford services. Experts say it 
can also spur Internet-based home businesses in pockets of unemployment. 
“You’re taking an inactive workforce and turning them into 
entrepreneurs,” Settles said.


Still, Settles believes WiFi is just another checklist item among 
municipalities, something that’s popular politically but not totally 
thought out. And he cautions cities against basing any part of a 
citywide WiFi plan on free access—it’s a lousy business proposition, he 
says.


Cheaper approaches, including WiFi hot spots that serve as amenities in 
high-traffic pedestrian malls, can be more cost-effective, in part 
because they are easily sponsored by donors. Cities have long provided 
WiFi in publicly owned facilities, such as libraries and city halls.


“It’s pretty much like flowers on the boulevard median,” said Titch. As 
such, these targeted investments don’t represent true, pervasive 
municipal networks, which is why cities dedicated to building out WiFi 
have spent the past several months thinking creatively about what they 
ask for in a network request for proposals.


Rightful ownership

Recent evidence suggests a shift in ownership models. “There’s a lot 
less government ownership and operation of these broadband networks,” 
said Titch. He includes new fiber optics-based networks in his 
estimation. “I don’t think the municipally operated systems have worked 
as well as expected, and cites have had to spend more money to get them 
to work,” he said, citing pioneers such as Chaska, Minn., and St. Cloud, 
Fla. (Both cities also have their supporters and claim that subscription 
revenues have risen lately.)


To reduce risk, municipalities are lately favoring public-private 
partnerships

[WISPA] Broadband Net access key part of state's growth

[Dawn DiPietro]

All,

So even if most of have broadband coverage there are pockets like this 
all over. This is the perfect opportunity for wireless providers.
Even if there are wireless providers in these areas it would seem to me 
they are not getting the publicity they need. I think we need to

look at why that might be.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
NEW-ISP

Broadband Net access key part of state's growth

Rural West Virginians want high-speed or broadband Internet access, but 
they can't get it. That deprives them of taking full advantage of what 
the Internet offers in entertainment, business and educational use.


Alliance West Virginia polled residents of four rural counties this past 
spring. About two-thirds of people who responded say they rely on 
dial-up service for Internet access. More than half say they would pay 
more for high-speed service, but it's not available.


About 75 percent of the state's households have access to broadband, but 
they are in urban and suburban areas. That leaves about one-fourth of 
the state's 1.8 million people without access. That's about 450,000 
potential broadband customers. Some are in isolated areas, but some are 
just a few miles from, say, downtown Huntington.


One of the more popular sources for broadband service is from cable TV, 
but cable is not available in all areas.


A large portion of this problem can be laid at the feet of regulators 
and local governments years ago. They did not require all parts of every 
county to be offered cable service. Cable providers were allowed to 
provide service only to the most densely populated areas, shutting out 
people in rural areas.


As water lines have spread out along secondary roads, so have people. 
But cable TV didn't follow. That's why many if not most houses in rural 
areas have satellite dishes on their roofs.


High-speed access is available over telephone lines, but not in all 
areas, so many rural residents are shut out of this option, too.


Potential answers to the lack of high-speed service were discussed 
Monday at a forum in Beckley organized by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.


"This is not a luxury. It's basic to economic development. It's basic to 
long-distance learning. It's basic to interactive health care," 
Rockefeller said last week.


Rockefeller is right about that. In this modern age, answers have to be 
found. All areas of West Virginia need affordable high-speed Internet 
access.


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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

[Scott Reed]

The technical how-to is not the question, though I would like to take you up on the offer.  I will hit you offline about that.

The question is, what would you charge this person.  $x/connection,  $y/year, $z/hour, some other way.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 




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From: "David Weddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


To: "'WISPA General List'"  


Sent: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:42:53 -0400 


Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 



> Come up and see what we are doing on 
our
WiFi Network. We have the ability to sell service by the hour, 4 hours, 
8
hours, 1 day, 1 week……whatever time period you want to use. We 
do
this on our network today. I will get with you offline to discuss details, 
but
we are doing this today on our network. It allows truckers to get online 
while
they are in town waiting on a load or for any of our fixed wireless 
customers
to travel around on our network in any town that we 
service.

>  


> 
> Regards,

> David 
Weddell

> Director of 
Sales

>  


> 260 827 2551 
Office

> 800 363 4881  Ext 
2551

> 260 273 7547 
Cell

>  


> www.onlyinternet.net

> www.oibw.net

>  


> 
> 





> From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Scott Reed
> 

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 
2006
6:34 AM
> 

To: WISPA
 General List
> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] 
Weather
Watcher 
Request

>  


> All the discussion has been good, but I would like to get back to 
the
original question.  The Watcher is looking at a park and connect, 
not
mobile application.  So, let's assume my network will support 
him
connecting to any POP.  Any suggestions how to bill a customer that 
is
only going to connect 2 to 4 times per month for 6 months a year? 
> 

> 

Scott Reed 
> 

Owner 
> 

NewWays 
> 

Wireless Networking 
> 

Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> 

www.nwwnet.net 
> 

> 

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> 

From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 

To: WISPA General 
List
 
> 

Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:28:01 -0500 
> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 
> 
> 

> That's one thing I need to ask him. I am not sure he needs to drive 
and
connect. It may be park and connect. I will find out. 
> 

> 
> 

> I am doing the same thing for the county Mobile
 Command Center.
They take it to a disaster, park and connect. I am still working on that 
one,
but there are not a lot a disasters in our area, so the first one was free. 

> 

> 
> 

> Scott Reed 
> 

> Owner 
> 

> NewWays 
> 

> Wireless Networking 
> 

> Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> 

> www.nwwnet.net 

> 

> 
> 

> -- Original Message 
---

> 

> From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 

> To: WISPA General 
List
 
> 

> Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:15 -0500 
> 

> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 
> 

> 
> 

> > Scott Reed wrote: 
> 

> > > I have had a request for service from our local 
SkyWarn
volunteer watcher. He 
> 

> > > needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he 
can
see the radar 
> 

> > > while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? 
If
so, how do you 
> 

> > > charge for installation, service, etc.? 
> 

> > 
> 

> > Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend 
a
cell 
> 

> > phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems 
I

> 

> > can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of 

> 

> > roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category. 
> 

> > 
> 

> > Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about 
it
a 
> 

> > couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with 
Mikrotik.
But 
> 

> > unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the 

> 

> > customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is 
probably

> 

> > gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're 

> 

> > looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your 
network
:) 
> 

> > 
> 

> > David Smith 
> 

> > MVN.net 
> 

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> 

> > 
> 

> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: 
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> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 
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> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

[Tom Andrews]

When it comes to the safety and security of our community and customers we 
give the service away for free. There are several police officers who use 
our service from their cars and I have had experimental systems set up on 
fire trucks. They have yet to cause a problem, don't use hardly any 
bandwidth and in the event of a true emergency I don't care if they suck up 
all my bandwidth if it helps save a life.


Just my 2 cents. I have worn all the uniforms and have done weather 
spotting. Having access to data at the right time and fast makes a big 
difference.



- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 08:56
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request


The technical how-to is not the question, though I would like to take you up 
on the offer.  I will hit you offline about that.


The question is, what would you charge this person.  $x/connection, 
$y/year, $z/hour, some other way.


Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net 


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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

[Rick Harnish]

Scott,

 

We charge by the time allotment that the
customer chooses to purchase.  They enter their credit card in and get turned
on for that time period.  Details can be found at www.oiwifi.com.  Click on the yellow signup
button for pricing.

 



Rick Harnish

President

OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless,
Inc.

260-827-2482

Founding Member of WISPA











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006
8:57 AM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request



 

The technical how-to is not the question, though I would like to take
you up on the offer.  I will hit you offline about that. 

The question is, what would you charge this person.  $x/connection, 
$y/year, $z/hour, some other way. 

Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
www.nwwnet.net 


-- Original Message ---

From: "David Weddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: "'WISPA General List'"
 
Sent: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:42:53 -0400 
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 

> Come up and see what we are doing on our
WiFi Network. We have the ability to sell service by the hour, 4 hours, 8
hours, 1 day, 1 week……whatever time period you want to use. We do
this on our network today. I will get with you offline to discuss details, but
we are doing this today on our network. It allows truckers to get online while
they are in town waiting on a load or for any of our fixed wireless customers
to travel around on our network in any town that we service. 
>   
> 
> Regards, 
> David Weddell 
> Director of Sales 
>   
> 260 827 2551 Office 
> 800 363 4881  Ext 2551 
> 260 273 7547 Cell 
>   
> www.onlyinternet.net 
> www.oibw.net 
>   
> 
> 








> From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19,
2006 6:34 AM 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request

>   
> All the discussion has been good, but I would like to get back to
the original question.  The Watcher is looking at a park and connect, not
mobile application.  So, let's assume my network will support him
connecting to any POP.  Any suggestions how to bill a customer that is
only going to connect 2 to 4 times per month for 6 months a year? 
> 
> Scott Reed 
> Owner 
> NewWays 
> Wireless Networking 
> Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> www.nwwnet.net 
> 
> -- Original Message ---

> From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> To: WISPA General List
 
> Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:28:01 -0500 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 
> 
> > That's one thing I need to ask him. I am not sure he needs to drive
and connect. It may be park and connect. I will find out. 
> > 
> > I am doing the same thing for the county Mobile Command Center. They
take it to a disaster, park and connect. I am still working on that one, but
there are not a lot a disasters in our area, so the first one was free. 
> > 
> > Scott Reed 
> > Owner 
> > NewWays 
> > Wireless Networking 
> > Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> > www.nwwnet.net 
> > 
> > -- Original Message
--- 
> > From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > To: WISPA
 General List  
> > Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:15 -0500 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 
> > 
> > > Scott Reed wrote: 
> > > > I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn
volunteer watcher. He 
> > > > needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he
can see the radar 
> > > > while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar
service? If so, how do you 
> > > > charge for installation, service, etc.? 
> > > 
> > > Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend
a cell 
> > > phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what
problems I 
> > > can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort
of 
> > > roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category. 
> > > 
> > > Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread
about it a 
> > > couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with
Mikrotik. But 
> > > unless your whole network already happens to support that, or
the 
> > > customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is
probably 
> > > gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service
they're 
> > > looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your
network :) 
> > > 
> > > David Smith 
> > > MVN.net 
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Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

[Paul Pescitelli]

I agree with previous poster... I have experience in ARES (Amateur
Radio Emergency Service) they are a volunteer organization attempting
to help out the community and the national weather service by
providing real time data and updates, usually via voice repeaters.

Allow him free access and you are doing a great community service.
Monitor his activity and if he exceeds 20 hrs per month then you can
have the conversation about charging him.

regards,
Paul


On 9/19/06, Rick Harnish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Scott,



We charge by the time allotment that the customer chooses to purchase.  They
enter their credit card in and get turned on for that time period.  Details
can be found at www.oiwifi.com.  Click on the yellow signup button for
pricing.





Rick Harnish

President

OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.

260-827-2482

Founding Member of WISPA

 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
 Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List

 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request







The technical how-to is not the question, though I would like to take you up
on the offer.  I will hit you offline about that.

 The question is, what would you charge this person.  $x/connection,
$y/year, $z/hour, some other way.

 Scott Reed
 Owner
 NewWays
 Wireless Networking
 Network Design, Installation and Administration
 www.nwwnet.net


 -- Original Message ---
 From: "David Weddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "'WISPA General List'" 
 Sent: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:42:53 -0400
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

 > Come up and see what we are doing on our WiFi Network. We have the
ability to sell service by the hour, 4 hours, 8 hours, 1 day, 1
week……whatever time period you want to use. We do this on our network today.
I will get with you offline to discuss details, but we are doing this today
on our network. It allows truckers to get online while they are in town
waiting on a load or for any of our fixed wireless customers to travel
around on our network in any town that we service.
 >
 >
 > Regards,
 > David Weddell
 > Director of Sales
 >
 > 260 827 2551 Office
 > 800 363 4881  Ext 2551
 > 260 273 7547 Cell
 >
 > www.onlyinternet.net
 > www.oibw.net
 >
 >
 >
 



 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
 > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:34 AM
 > To: WISPA General List
 > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
 >
 > All the discussion has been good, but I would like to get back to the
original question.  The Watcher is looking at a park and connect, not mobile
application.  So, let's assume my network will support him connecting to any
POP.  Any suggestions how to bill a customer that is only going to connect 2
to 4 times per month for 6 months a year?
 >
 > Scott Reed
 > Owner
 > NewWays
 > Wireless Networking
 > Network Design, Installation and Administration
 > www.nwwnet.net
 >
 > -- Original Message ---
 > From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 > To: WISPA General List 
 > Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:28:01 -0500
 > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
 >
 > > That's one thing I need to ask him. I am not sure he needs to drive and
connect. It may be park and connect. I will find out.
 > >
 > > I am doing the same thing for the county Mobile Command Center. They
take it to a disaster, park and connect. I am still working on that one, but
there are not a lot a disasters in our area, so the first one was free.
 > >
 > > Scott Reed
 > > Owner
 > > NewWays
 > > Wireless Networking
 > > Network Design, Installation and Administration
 > > www.nwwnet.net
 > >
 > > -- Original Message ---
 > > From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 > > To: WISPA General List 
 > > Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:15 -0500
 > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
 > >
 > > > Scott Reed wrote:
 > > > > I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer
watcher. He
 > > > > needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see
the radar
 > > > > while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so,
how do you
 > > > > charge for installation, service, etc.?
 > > >
 > > > Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a
cell
 > > > phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
 > > > can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
 > > > roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category.
 > > >
 > > > Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it
a
 > > > couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik.
But
 > > > unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
 > > > customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
 > > > gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
 > > > looking for, and you've 

Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

[John Scrivner]

We won an AWS license in our area!
:-)
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

Last Update: 5:13 PM ET Sep 18, 2006

(Adds quote in third paragraph and details about Verizon in sixth and 
seventh paragraphs.)
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Communications Commission on 
Monday wrapped up an auction of licenses to provide new wireless 
services, generating almost $13.9 billion in gross proceeds and 
handing T-Mobile USA Inc. the capacity it needs to compete with larger 
rivals.
T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom AG (DT), was the top bidder, 
bidding almost $4.2 billion for 120 licenses. Verizon Wireless agreed 
to pay $2.8 billion for 13 licenses. A consortium that includes cable 
giants Comcast Corp. (CMCSA, CMCSK) and Time Warner Inc. (TWX), along 
with Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), agreed to pay almost $2.4 billion for 
137 licenses. As a result of their aggressive early moves, many 
potential new players were squeezed out of the game before it got going.
"The dream of new entrants that would shake up the market died," said 
Roger Entner, an analyst for technology research firm Ovum. "The usual 
suspects have won."
The last time an FCC auction drew more bidding was in 2001, when 
regulators reauctioned some licenses they had repossessed from 
NextWave Telecom Inc. But in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the 
FCC had improperly reclaimed the licenses, returning control to 
NextWave and invalidating the auction.
This time, T-Mobile had the most at stake. Although it is the 
fourth-largest U.S. wireless carrier, it has lacked the capacity to 
upgrade its network to run third-generation, or 3-G services. The new 
licenses will put T-Mobile in a more competitive position.
Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, will likely sit on its spectrum. The No. 
2 wireless carrier, a joint venture between Verizon Communications 
(VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD), has a next-generation network 
called Evolution-Data Optimized, or EV-DO. It doesn't need to use the 
new spectrum for that network. Verizon Wireless is seen using the 
spectrum for wireless technology that is further down the line, 
although it's unclear what that technology may be.
A spokesman for Verizon Wireless wasn't immediately available for 
comment.
Smaller carriers were able to expand their coverage from select cities 
to a much larger area. For example, Leap Wireless International Inc. 
(LEAP), a smaller, regional company, won 99 licenses, bidding $710 
million for airwaves covering cities including Washington D.C., 
Philadelphia, Baltimore, and St. Louis.
"Leap's push to acquire more spectrum in new high-growth market 
clusters located in urban and suburban areas such as Baltimore, 
Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia will help it withstand the 
continuous competitive pressure from larger... competitors such as 
Sprint-Nextel and Verizon," Jessica Zufolo, an analyst at research 
firm Medley Advisors, wrote in a note to clients.
The U.S. Treasury will receive just $13.7 billion from its latest 
auction because of rules that permit small companies to earn discounts 
of as much as 25%.


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Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

[David E. Smith]

Scott Reed wrote:
All the discussion has been good, but I would like to get back to the 
original question.  The Watcher is looking at a park and connect, not 
mobile application.  So, let's assume my network will support him 
connecting to any POP.  Any suggestions how to bill a customer that is 
only going to connect 2 to 4 times per month for 6 months a year?


To be honest, for that little usage, especially for something like 
Skywarn, I'd probably let him have access free of charge, with the 
understanding that it really is only for weather emergencies, and if I 
see traffic from his connection and it's bright and sunny outside we'll 
have to revisit the deal. Normal one-time charge for whatever equipment 
you have to provide, obviously.


David Smith
MVN.net
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Re[2]: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal FraudCharges

[Barry at Mutual Data]

Hello Blake,

The Broadband program was very loose in the beginning. If it had
"proper" regulations ( none of the LEC related RUS rules
included the Broadband program) behind it, most of the equipment
WISP's use would not
have been approved. I know what we got funded is not on any approved
lists from RUS.

 We were audited early on in the pilot program and it really showed
 how out of sync the RUS auditors were to what the program allowed.

 I know they really only want to deal with LEC's and their methodical
 way of doing stuff.

 Oh we passed our audit too.

 The current program has much tougher rules to comply by.
 
 Barry

 

Monday, September 18, 2006, 12:10:18 PM, you wrote:

BB> And I can tell you for a fact, there is more coming.

BB> People don't seem to understand if they have this RUS
BB> money, they should probably NOT be one of their
BB> biggest vendors.

BB> IE, a wireless broadband company that buys their
BB> widgets from themselfs..


BB> - Original Message - 
BB> From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
BB> To: "WISPA General List" 
BB> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:25 AM
BB> Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal 
BB> FraudCharges


>> defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 million in
>> connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of wireless
>> broadband service to rural Minnesota.
>>
>> http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml
>> -- 
>> George Rogato
>>
>> Welcome to WISPA
>>
>> www.wispa.org
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Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

[John Scrivner]

Thank you Patrick and Alvarion. Having you as a supporter of this 
industry is a big help.

Scriv

Patrick Leary wrote:


Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following
note:

Dear WISPA members,

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get
back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed
focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time
dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as
an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American
marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with
WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new
role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an
active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.

As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that
among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP
operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.
Details will come a bit later.

I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look
forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as
well as making lots of new friends.

Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I
can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you
are an Alvarion-based operator. 


Sincerely,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243






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RE: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

[Patrick Leary]

Thank you Butch.

Patrick 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:

>I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me 
>to get back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally 
>lead a renewed focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my

This is good news to hear.  I am always happy to see a manufacturer 
looking toward this market segment.

>energies will be full time dedicated to this activity -- to you and 
>your needs as operators and as an industry. Over the past few years

I have always valued your thoughtful posts, though I find myself in 
disagreement with you more often than not.  You have always made me 
consider my positions very carefully, and provide some very 
convincing arguments to support yours.  At any rate...welcome back.

>and will also allow me to again be an active advocate for WISPs 
>with the press, thought leaders and officials.

This is especially useful and welcomed.

-- 
Butch Evans
Network Engineering and Security Consulting
573-276-2879
http://www.butchevans.com/
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(http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html)
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RE: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

[Patrick Leary]

Thanks Anthony. We'll probably meet sooner rather than later.

Patrick 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Anthony Will
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

It will be great to have you concentrating on our industry once again 
Patrick.  You have helped bring many good things to this industry and I 
am looking forward to finally meeting you at some time in the future.

Anthony Will
Broadband Corp.

Patrick Leary wrote:
> Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the
following
> note:
>
> Dear WISPA members,
>
> I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to
get
> back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a
renewed
> focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full
time
> dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and
as
> an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American
> marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with
> WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The
new
> role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be
an
> active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and
officials.
>
> As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that
> among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP
> operations, should have direct business model benefits for small
WISPs.
> Details will come a bit later.
>
> I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look
> forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as
> well as making lots of new friends.
>
> Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I
> can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not
you
> are an Alvarion-based operator. 
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Patrick Leary
> AVP WISP Markets
> Alvarion, Inc.
> o: 650.314.2628
> c: 760.580.0080
> Vonage: 650.641.1243
>
>
>
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RE: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

[Mac Dearman]

CONGRATS Scriv!
 
I don't think that you will be guilty of just "squatting" 
on such lovely frequency eh?

Did you get 700MHz in the AWS-1?

I wish I had some too :-( 

Mac 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

We won an AWS license in our area!
:-)
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:

> FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln
>
> Last Update: 5:13 PM ET Sep 18, 2006
>
> (Adds quote in third paragraph and details about Verizon in sixth and 
> seventh paragraphs.)
> WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Communications Commission on 
> Monday wrapped up an auction of licenses to provide new wireless 
> services, generating almost $13.9 billion in gross proceeds and 
> handing T-Mobile USA Inc. the capacity it needs to compete with larger 
> rivals.
> T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom AG (DT), was the top bidder, 
> bidding almost $4.2 billion for 120 licenses. Verizon Wireless agreed 
> to pay $2.8 billion for 13 licenses. A consortium that includes cable 
> giants Comcast Corp. (CMCSA, CMCSK) and Time Warner Inc. (TWX), along 
> with Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), agreed to pay almost $2.4 billion for 
> 137 licenses. As a result of their aggressive early moves, many 
> potential new players were squeezed out of the game before it got going.
> "The dream of new entrants that would shake up the market died," said 
> Roger Entner, an analyst for technology research firm Ovum. "The usual 
> suspects have won."
> The last time an FCC auction drew more bidding was in 2001, when 
> regulators reauctioned some licenses they had repossessed from 
> NextWave Telecom Inc. But in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the 
> FCC had improperly reclaimed the licenses, returning control to 
> NextWave and invalidating the auction.
> This time, T-Mobile had the most at stake. Although it is the 
> fourth-largest U.S. wireless carrier, it has lacked the capacity to 
> upgrade its network to run third-generation, or 3-G services. The new 
> licenses will put T-Mobile in a more competitive position.
> Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, will likely sit on its spectrum. The No. 
> 2 wireless carrier, a joint venture between Verizon Communications 
> (VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD), has a next-generation network 
> called Evolution-Data Optimized, or EV-DO. It doesn't need to use the 
> new spectrum for that network. Verizon Wireless is seen using the 
> spectrum for wireless technology that is further down the line, 
> although it's unclear what that technology may be.
> A spokesman for Verizon Wireless wasn't immediately available for 
> comment.
> Smaller carriers were able to expand their coverage from select cities 
> to a much larger area. For example, Leap Wireless International Inc. 
> (LEAP), a smaller, regional company, won 99 licenses, bidding $710 
> million for airwaves covering cities including Washington D.C., 
> Philadelphia, Baltimore, and St. Louis.
> "Leap's push to acquire more spectrum in new high-growth market 
> clusters located in urban and suburban areas such as Baltimore, 
> Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia will help it withstand the 
> continuous competitive pressure from larger... competitors such as 
> Sprint-Nextel and Verizon," Jessica Zufolo, an analyst at research 
> firm Medley Advisors, wrote in a note to clients.
> The U.S. Treasury will receive just $13.7 billion from its latest 
> auction because of rules that permit small companies to earn discounts 
> of as much as 25%.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/j77nv
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Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Patrick,

You ol' dog you!  Welcome back to the trenches  I hope this turns out to 
be a good career move.


It'll be good to have more of your input and point of view.

take care,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:20 PM
Subject: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position


Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following
note:

Dear WISPA members,

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get
back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed
focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time
dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as
an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American
marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with
WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new
role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an
active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.

As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that
among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP
operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.
Details will come a bit later.

I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look
forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as
well as making lots of new friends.

Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I
can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you
are an Alvarion-based operator.

Sincerely,

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Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Coolness!

Hope you have some money left for equipment :-).

Are you going to come up with any kind of wholesale model?
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- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln



We won an AWS license in our area!
:-)
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

Last Update: 5:13 PM ET Sep 18, 2006

(Adds quote in third paragraph and details about Verizon in sixth and 
seventh paragraphs.)
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Communications Commission on 
Monday wrapped up an auction of licenses to provide new wireless 
services, generating almost $13.9 billion in gross proceeds and 
handing T-Mobile USA Inc. the capacity it needs to compete with larger 
rivals.
T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom AG (DT), was the top bidder, 
bidding almost $4.2 billion for 120 licenses. Verizon Wireless agreed 
to pay $2.8 billion for 13 licenses. A consortium that includes cable 
giants Comcast Corp. (CMCSA, CMCSK) and Time Warner Inc. (TWX), along 
with Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), agreed to pay almost $2.4 billion for 
137 licenses. As a result of their aggressive early moves, many 
potential new players were squeezed out of the game before it got going.
"The dream of new entrants that would shake up the market died," said 
Roger Entner, an analyst for technology research firm Ovum. "The usual 
suspects have won."
The last time an FCC auction drew more bidding was in 2001, when 
regulators reauctioned some licenses they had repossessed from 
NextWave Telecom Inc. But in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the 
FCC had improperly reclaimed the licenses, returning control to 
NextWave and invalidating the auction.
This time, T-Mobile had the most at stake. Although it is the 
fourth-largest U.S. wireless carrier, it has lacked the capacity to 
upgrade its network to run third-generation, or 3-G services. The new 
licenses will put T-Mobile in a more competitive position.
Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, will likely sit on its spectrum. The No. 
2 wireless carrier, a joint venture between Verizon Communications 
(VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD), has a next-generation network 
called Evolution-Data Optimized, or EV-DO. It doesn't need to use the 
new spectrum for that network. Verizon Wireless is seen using the 
spectrum for wireless technology that is further down the line, 
although it's unclear what that technology may be.
A spokesman for Verizon Wireless wasn't immediately available for 
comment.
Smaller carriers were able to expand their coverage from select cities 
to a much larger area. For example, Leap Wireless International Inc. 
(LEAP), a smaller, regional company, won 99 licenses, bidding $710 
million for airwaves covering cities including Washington D.C., 
Philadelphia, Baltimore, and St. Louis.
"Leap's push to acquire more spectrum in new high-growth market 
clusters located in urban and suburban areas such as Baltimore, 
Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia will help it withstand the 
continuous competitive pressure from larger... competitors such as 
Sprint-Nextel and Verizon," Jessica Zufolo, an analyst at research 
firm Medley Advisors, wrote in a note to clients.
The U.S. Treasury will receive just $13.7 billion from its latest 
auction because of rules that permit small companies to earn discounts 
of as much as 25%.


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[WISPA] Milwaukee Muni

[Dylan Oliver]

City of Milwaukee "out of patience" with Midwest Fiber Networks, its municipal wireless partner, and looking to Cellnet (doing Madison) and Earthlink:
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Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

[John Scrivner]

The band is 2110 to 2120 MHz and 1710 to 1720 MHz. (20 MHz of spectrum) 
There are some other hurdles yet to jump. You would think buying it 
would be enough but it is far from usable yet. I'll let you know as we 
get closer to the launch of licensed broadband services here.

Scriv


Mac Dearman wrote:


CONGRATS Scriv!

I don't think that you will be guilty of just "squatting" 
on such lovely frequency eh?


Did you get 700MHz in the AWS-1?

I wish I had some too :-( 

Mac 




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

We won an AWS license in our area!
:-)
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:

 


FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

Last Update: 5:13 PM ET Sep 18, 2006

(Adds quote in third paragraph and details about Verizon in sixth and 
seventh paragraphs.)
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Communications Commission on 
Monday wrapped up an auction of licenses to provide new wireless 
services, generating almost $13.9 billion in gross proceeds and 
handing T-Mobile USA Inc. the capacity it needs to compete with larger 
rivals.
T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom AG (DT), was the top bidder, 
bidding almost $4.2 billion for 120 licenses. Verizon Wireless agreed 
to pay $2.8 billion for 13 licenses. A consortium that includes cable 
giants Comcast Corp. (CMCSA, CMCSK) and Time Warner Inc. (TWX), along 
with Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), agreed to pay almost $2.4 billion for 
137 licenses. As a result of their aggressive early moves, many 
potential new players were squeezed out of the game before it got going.
"The dream of new entrants that would shake up the market died," said 
Roger Entner, an analyst for technology research firm Ovum. "The usual 
suspects have won."
The last time an FCC auction drew more bidding was in 2001, when 
regulators reauctioned some licenses they had repossessed from 
NextWave Telecom Inc. But in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the 
FCC had improperly reclaimed the licenses, returning control to 
NextWave and invalidating the auction.
This time, T-Mobile had the most at stake. Although it is the 
fourth-largest U.S. wireless carrier, it has lacked the capacity to 
upgrade its network to run third-generation, or 3-G services. The new 
licenses will put T-Mobile in a more competitive position.
Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, will likely sit on its spectrum. The No. 
2 wireless carrier, a joint venture between Verizon Communications 
(VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD), has a next-generation network 
called Evolution-Data Optimized, or EV-DO. It doesn't need to use the 
new spectrum for that network. Verizon Wireless is seen using the 
spectrum for wireless technology that is further down the line, 
although it's unclear what that technology may be.
A spokesman for Verizon Wireless wasn't immediately available for 
comment.
Smaller carriers were able to expand their coverage from select cities 
to a much larger area. For example, Leap Wireless International Inc. 
(LEAP), a smaller, regional company, won 99 licenses, bidding $710 
million for airwaves covering cities including Washington D.C., 
Philadelphia, Baltimore, and St. Louis.
"Leap's push to acquire more spectrum in new high-growth market 
clusters located in urban and suburban areas such as Baltimore, 
Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia will help it withstand the 
continuous competitive pressure from larger... competitors such as 
Sprint-Nextel and Verizon," Jessica Zufolo, an analyst at research 
firm Medley Advisors, wrote in a note to clients.
The U.S. Treasury will receive just $13.7 billion from its latest 
auction because of rules that permit small companies to earn discounts 
of as much as 25%.


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[WISPA] Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map - NEW SERVER NEEDED

[Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor]

Gents,
It's been a while and i realize that this topic may have cooled off a
bit BUT... it's now MORE Necessary then before...

I've spent months trying to speed up our server with my webmaster but
NOTHING... so.. i give up... if anybody wants to host the map
(currently at http://map.wirelessinternetcoverage.com )... this is
what i propose:

1. I will remove ALL data about EVDO or HSDPA
2. the map will ONLY be a WISP map.
3. the only thing I want to see for my company is
a) a paragraph about EVDO and Mobile WIMAX saying that it is ONLY for
mobile users. and it will specifially say that a WISP will deliver
faster more solid service for fixed locations.
b) a paragraph about Satellite saying that it is ONLY appropriate as a
LAST Resort due to latency and inconsistency of service.

I'm planning on moving the site to http://wireless-internet-coverage.com
so that we can put all WISPA members and my stuff in the highest
traffic front page possible... All i need to do this is a server that
is FAST...
and since mobile internet and fixed broadband wis are totally
complementary... lets do this...

thoughts???



On 4/14/06, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Guys... after a year of fiddling and fumbling...
we now finally have a usable LINKABLE
google map for WISPS

please put your wisp details into the GOOGLEMAP...

thanks for all your feedback... it made about 70% of this new design... bob kim

GOOGLEMAP:
http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-access-wimax-evdo-hsdpa-map-set.html




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Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

[Larry Yunker]

I'd be interested to know what sort of equipment you find for use in that 
band.  As I understand it, 10Mhz is for base-to-mobile and the other 10Mhz 
is for mobile-to-base.  That is a much different model than most 
license-exempt equipment.


- Larry

- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln


The band is 2110 to 2120 MHz and 1710 to 1720 MHz. (20 MHz of spectrum) 
There are some other hurdles yet to jump. You would think buying it would 
be enough but it is far from usable yet. I'll let you know as we get 
closer to the launch of licensed broadband services here.

Scriv


Mac Dearman wrote:


CONGRATS Scriv!
I don't think that you will be guilty of just "squatting" on such lovely 
frequency eh?


Did you get 700MHz in the AWS-1?

I wish I had some too :-(
Mac


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

We won an AWS license in our area!
:-)
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:



FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

Last Update: 5:13 PM ET Sep 18, 2006

(Adds quote in third paragraph and details about Verizon in sixth and 
seventh paragraphs.)
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Communications Commission on 
Monday wrapped up an auction of licenses to provide new wireless 
services, generating almost $13.9 billion in gross proceeds and handing 
T-Mobile USA Inc. the capacity it needs to compete with larger rivals.
T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom AG (DT), was the top bidder, bidding 
almost $4.2 billion for 120 licenses. Verizon Wireless agreed to pay $2.8 
billion for 13 licenses. A consortium that includes cable giants Comcast 
Corp. (CMCSA, CMCSK) and Time Warner Inc. (TWX), along with Sprint Nextel 
Corp. (S), agreed to pay almost $2.4 billion for 137 licenses. As a 
result of their aggressive early moves, many potential new players were 
squeezed out of the game before it got going.
"The dream of new entrants that would shake up the market died," said 
Roger Entner, an analyst for technology research firm Ovum. "The usual 
suspects have won."
The last time an FCC auction drew more bidding was in 2001, when 
regulators reauctioned some licenses they had repossessed from NextWave 
Telecom Inc. But in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the FCC had 
improperly reclaimed the licenses, returning control to NextWave and 
invalidating the auction.
This time, T-Mobile had the most at stake. Although it is the 
fourth-largest U.S. wireless carrier, it has lacked the capacity to 
upgrade its network to run third-generation, or 3-G services. The new 
licenses will put T-Mobile in a more competitive position.
Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, will likely sit on its spectrum. The No. 2 
wireless carrier, a joint venture between Verizon Communications (VZ) and 
Vodafone Group Plc (VOD), has a next-generation network called 
Evolution-Data Optimized, or EV-DO. It doesn't need to use the new 
spectrum for that network. Verizon Wireless is seen using the spectrum 
for wireless technology that is further down the line, although it's 
unclear what that technology may be.
A spokesman for Verizon Wireless wasn't immediately available for 
comment.
Smaller carriers were able to expand their coverage from select cities to 
a much larger area. For example, Leap Wireless International Inc. (LEAP), 
a smaller, regional company, won 99 licenses, bidding $710 million for 
airwaves covering cities including Washington D.C., Philadelphia, 
Baltimore, and St. Louis.
"Leap's push to acquire more spectrum in new high-growth market clusters 
located in urban and suburban areas such as Baltimore, Washington, D.C., 
and Philadelphia will help it withstand the continuous competitive 
pressure from larger... competitors such as Sprint-Nextel and Verizon," 
Jessica Zufolo, an analyst at research firm Medley Advisors, wrote in a 
note to clients.
The U.S. Treasury will receive just $13.7 billion from its latest auction 
because of rules that permit small companies to earn discounts of as much 
as 25%.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

[David E. Smith]

Larry Yunker wrote:
I'd be interested to know what sort of equipment you find for use in 
that band.  As I understand it, 10Mhz is for base-to-mobile and the 
other 10Mhz is for mobile-to-base.  That is a much different model than 
most license-exempt equipment.


Fine, so maybe the hardware we'll need hasn't been invented yet, 
details, details. ;)


David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

[CHUCK PROFITO]

Sounds like full duplex telephone/broadband to me.  Way to go!

Chuck Profito
209.988.7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed
Broadband to Rural California

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Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent:   Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:42 AM
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Subject:Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

Larry Yunker wrote:
> I'd be interested to know what sort of equipment you find for use in
> that band.  As I understand it, 10Mhz is for base-to-mobile and the
> other 10Mhz is for mobile-to-base.  That is a much different model than
> most license-exempt equipment.

Fine, so maybe the hardware we'll need hasn't been invented yet,
details, details. ;)

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map - NEW SERVER NEEDED

[Blair Davis]

Robert,

What exactly are you needing here?  Bandwidth?  Hardware?

What are the requirements?

Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor wrote:


Gents,
It's been a while and i realize that this topic may have cooled off a
bit BUT... it's now MORE Necessary then before...

I've spent months trying to speed up our server with my webmaster but
NOTHING... so.. i give up... if anybody wants to host the map
(currently at http://map.wirelessinternetcoverage.com )... this is
what i propose:

1. I will remove ALL data about EVDO or HSDPA
2. the map will ONLY be a WISP map.
3. the only thing I want to see for my company is
a) a paragraph about EVDO and Mobile WIMAX saying that it is ONLY for
mobile users. and it will specifially say that a WISP will deliver
faster more solid service for fixed locations.
b) a paragraph about Satellite saying that it is ONLY appropriate as a
LAST Resort due to latency and inconsistency of service.

I'm planning on moving the site to http://wireless-internet-coverage.com
so that we can put all WISPA members and my stuff in the highest
traffic front page possible... All i need to do this is a server that
is FAST...
and since mobile internet and fixed broadband wis are totally
complementary... lets do this...

thoughts???



On 4/14/06, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Guys... after a year of fiddling and fumbling...
we now finally have a usable LINKABLE
google map for WISPS

please put your wisp details into the GOOGLEMAP...

thanks for all your feedback... it made about 70% of this new 
design... bob kim


GOOGLEMAP:
http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-access-wimax-evdo-hsdpa-map-set.html 









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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal FraudCharges

[Blair Davis]

I personally hope that all this .gov money goes away.

I don't like competing with others who can't make it on their own and 
have to have .gov money.


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Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

[Peter R.]

Does that mean you will be attending ISPCON?
Speaking??

Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.
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[WISPA] RE: ISPCON?

[Patrick Leary]

Looks like I will attend, but have not planned to exhibit or speak this
go-round. How many of you are planning on going? Maybe I can arrange
something.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

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Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

Does that mean you will be attending ISPCON?
Speaking??

Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted onFederal FraudCharges

[Mark Koskenmaki]

It's not going to go away...  Rather, it's going to start going only to the
in ILEC's, etc.   As part of the "accountability" demands,  you'll find that
smaller, startups, and non-monopolies will be considered too "risky" and
it'll end up being a gravy train for the big guys.

When you want handouts, nothing changes, the biggest bullies win.


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email me at mark at neofast dot net
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Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net

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From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted onFederal
FraudCharges


> I personally hope that all this .gov money goes away.
>
> I don't like competing with others who can't make it on their own and
> have to have .gov money.
>
> -- 
> Blair Davis
>
> AOL IM Screen Name --  Theory240
>
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> 269-686-8648
>
> A division of:
> Camp Communication Services, INC
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RE: [WISPA] RE: ISPCON?

[Jeff Broadwick]

We exhibit at both shows annually.  It's well worth your time.

Jeff
 

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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 2:19 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] RE: ISPCON?

Looks like I will attend, but have not planned to exhibit or speak this
go-round. How many of you are planning on going? Maybe I can arrange
something.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:08 AM
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Does that mean you will be attending ISPCON?
Speaking??

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] RE: ISPCON?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I will be going, and it sounds like Marlon, Scriv, Harnish, Tom DeReggi, 
Mac and a few others will be there as well. 

Patrick, if you are up for it, there is one panel that some of us will 
be on that you might want to participate in as well.  Get with me offlist!


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Patrick Leary wrote:

Looks like I will attend, but have not planned to exhibit or speak this
go-round. How many of you are planning on going? Maybe I can arrange
something.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

Does that mean you will be attending ISPCON?
Speaking??

Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.
  


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Re: [WISPA] Milwaukee Muni

[George Rogato]

Let the games begin.

Here is a classic example of a trap that any wisp can step into.
If you read the article, it says that the city is losing it's patience 
with the wisp and wanting to give some of the business away to 
earthlink, etc. Seems like they are asking for a lot , giving away free 
and low priced wireless to some areas and demanding service coverage 
through out.
At first glance it sounds like the wisp i question is somehow deficient 
in it's actions.

But then at the end of the article it says:
--
Midwest Fiber signed a contract with the city on June 30, but the city 
has apparently declined to sign it, according to Alderman James Bohl, 
who feels that members of the Milwaukee Common Council are being left in 
the dark about the project's status.


Bohl said it was his understanding that Midwest Fiber had secured 
adequate credit to cover the $20 million capital cost, but it was the 
Department of Administration that made the decision to court other vendors.


"They are not sharing information with the council," Bohl said. "The 
fact that we're not kept informed is not Midwest Fiber's fault."


Sharon Robinson, director of the Department of Administration, could not 
be reached for comment. Among other responsibilities, the department is 
entrusted with information technology services and IT resource management.



Now it sounds like these guys are raising 20 million $ and yet the city 
has not any patience.


What do they want in a couple of months?

Anyone on this list want to step into that bear trap?

George

Dylan Oliver wrote:
City of Milwaukee "out of patience" with Midwest Fiber Networks, its 
municipal wireless partner, and looking to Cellnet (doing Madison) and 
Earthlink:*


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Re: [WISPA] Initial SR9 test results

[Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE]

Larry Yunker wrote:
Aside from catching a reflection rather than the main signal, I 
suppose you could be over or under shooting one side or the other.  
Too much downtilt/uptilt could cause you to pick up a signal on a 
secondary lobe instead of a main lobe.  That would also tend to create 
a disparity in send/receive signal strength.

Hi Larry et al...

We got a 4 pole filter in this AM and stuck it up on the tower. Seems 
that made things worse. From what I can see using Winbox there is about 
a 6-7 db difference in the two signals not the 10 I mentioned earlier.


I am going to plot this out on TopoUSA now to see if we're going through 
dirt. Any other ideas at the moment?


Thanks leon



- Larry

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Larry Yunker wrote:

Sounds like multipath you are probably picking up a bounced signal
on one end.

could be  I think we saw this somewhere else but I can't remember;
we did so much on Thursday it sometimes is a blur :-(
I think the plan is to try a yagi up on the tower in place of the sector
for a test and check the signal at the one 900 CPE in the attic
remotely. (We've only got one 900 CPE currently.)

Any other ideas?

Thanks leon

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[WISPA] MT Lockups

[Ed Spoon]

Has anyone experienced or have any thoughts on the following

PC Based Mikrotik with Disk-on module, SBE Card, 4Port Ethernet card...

Hard locks at random. Has been happening every 2 to 4 weeks (sometimes 
longer) but a reboot takes care of it, so it has not been a real issue, 
just aggravating. Recently happened twice in one week so we replaced the 
hardware - all of it, including PC and all cards - and upgraded to 
2.9.29. This was a week and 2 days ago - it locked up again today, same 
symptoms. This is a complete lock up, no telnet, ssh, etc... No activity 
on local monitor/keyboard...no traffic, etc.


This is used as back haul and pushes a steady 10-12 Megs during peak 
hours. The lock ups happen during peak and off peak hours so I don't 
think it is load related. There is another MT at the opposite end of the 
backhaul link with the same cards installed. This MT had this same issue 
a while back but cleared up after changing hardware, which is why we 
thought a hardware change would fix the current problem.


but...about an hour after today's lock up and reboot, it happened again 
and this time it was the other end - the one that has been fine since it 
was replaced several months ago.


Very frustrating and difficult to troubleshoot, no logs or dumps of any 
kind.


Thanks
Ed

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RE: [WISPA] MT Lockups

[Eric Rogers]

Ed,

You mentioned it is a PC based Mikrotik.  Is it a VIA chipset or a
better question is what type of hardware are you using?  Also, what type
of Ethernet cards are you using?  You said 4-port, is it a RB44?  Does
it have onboard Ethernet ports?  Are they disabled?

Do you have any way of monitoring/graphing power at the facility?  If
you use APC for a battery backup, I am sure you can use "The Dude" to
graph your input power.  I have found if it is at random times, it is
sometimes caused by power spikes/dips.  Might want to graph CPU load,
memory usage, power, and Temp if at all possible.  Start trending things
and see if you see a pattern.

Eric

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Subject: [WISPA] MT Lockups

Has anyone experienced or have any thoughts on the following

PC Based Mikrotik with Disk-on module, SBE Card, 4Port Ethernet card...

Hard locks at random. Has been happening every 2 to 4 weeks (sometimes 
longer) but a reboot takes care of it, so it has not been a real issue, 
just aggravating. Recently happened twice in one week so we replaced the

hardware - all of it, including PC and all cards - and upgraded to 
2.9.29. This was a week and 2 days ago - it locked up again today, same 
symptoms. This is a complete lock up, no telnet, ssh, etc... No activity

on local monitor/keyboard...no traffic, etc.

This is used as back haul and pushes a steady 10-12 Megs during peak 
hours. The lock ups happen during peak and off peak hours so I don't 
think it is load related. There is another MT at the opposite end of the

backhaul link with the same cards installed. This MT had this same issue

a while back but cleared up after changing hardware, which is why we 
thought a hardware change would fix the current problem.

but...about an hour after today's lock up and reboot, it happened again 
and this time it was the other end - the one that has been fine since it

was replaced several months ago.

Very frustrating and difficult to troubleshoot, no logs or dumps of any 
kind.

Thanks
Ed

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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal FraudCharges

[Tom DeReggi]

Thats a shame. I believe I've seen that name on the list over the years.
Maybe this is just a simple get rich fraud sceme, but maybe there is another 
side.
Maybe it brings home the point, that it takes more cash than to cover 
hardware costs, to make a company work.
Without employees, service can't get installed and supported.  Without 
money, you can't have employees.
Without paying well, you can't have good ones.  Maybe it takes more than a 
good interest rate and high line of credit to keep a company operational.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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FraudCharges



defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 million in 
connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of wireless 
broadband service to rural Minnesota.


http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml
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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S.16th Among IndustrializedNations

[Tom DeReggi]

Peter,

I do not agree with those statistics.
Why would anyone prefer DialUp for the same price? Don't think so.
A large part of that 68% are DialUp Users NOT by choice.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Peter R. wrote:
We are actually at the point where about 68% of the US population has 
Internet.

The rest don't own a computer or do not want Internet.

Some of that 68% is still on dial-up. For some it is a price thing. For 
some it is not understanding technology. For some it is to make the 
experience painful to avoid wasting hours on the internet.


So dropping the price - as SBC and VZ have experienced - to sub-$15 gets 
you some dial-up conversions. But when the price returns to normal, some 
switch back to cheaper dial-up.


The dilemma becomes How do you get more internet appliance (PC's, 
laptops, PDAs, internet terminal) penetration?


The marketing question is: What Remarkable & Useful things can you do 
with broadband (other than entertainment)?


That's my 2 cents.

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.



I agree with you, I still have a considerable amount of dial up 
subscribers.


There needs to be a motivator, other than price, that makes these types of 
users decide to trade up. They have to want to.


And I thought giant pictures killing  their email would have done the 
trick by now :(


George

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Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: Change in position

[Tom DeReggi]

Patrick,

I've always considered you a great asset to the WISP community, Welcome 
Back!


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: [WISPA] OT FYI: Change in position


Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following
note:

Dear WISPA members,

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get
back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed
focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time
dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as
an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American
marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with
WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new
role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an
active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.

As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that
among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP
operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.
Details will come a bit later.

I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look
forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as
well as making lots of new friends.

Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I
can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you
are an Alvarion-based operator.

Sincerely,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
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RE: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on FederalFraudCharges

[Jeff Broadwick]

I don't know the company or the person involved, but it's important to
recognize that he has been INDICTED, not CONVICTED.   

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FederalFraudCharges

Thats a shame. I believe I've seen that name on the list over the years.
Maybe this is just a simple get rich fraud sceme, but maybe there is another
side.
Maybe it brings home the point, that it takes more cash than to cover
hardware costs, to make a company work.
Without employees, service can't get installed and supported.  Without
money, you can't have employees.
Without paying well, you can't have good ones.  Maybe it takes more than a
good interest rate and high line of credit to keep a company operational.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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> defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 
> million in connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the 
> expansion of wireless broadband service to rural Minnesota.
>
> http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml
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RE: [WISPA] Lack of Competition LeavesU.S.16th Among IndustrializedNations

[Brad Belton]

Pretty sure Peter said:

"But when the price returns to normal, some switch back to cheaper dial-up."


I can believe this as many people are driven by price and price alone.
Broadband isn't for everyone no more than bottled water is worth it to
everyone.

Best,


Brad

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Peter,

I do not agree with those statistics.
Why would anyone prefer DialUp for the same price? Don't think so.
A large part of that 68% are DialUp Users NOT by choice.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:49 PM
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> Peter R. wrote:
>> We are actually at the point where about 68% of the US population has 
>> Internet.
>> The rest don't own a computer or do not want Internet.
>>
>> Some of that 68% is still on dial-up. For some it is a price thing. For 
>> some it is not understanding technology. For some it is to make the 
>> experience painful to avoid wasting hours on the internet.
>>
>> So dropping the price - as SBC and VZ have experienced - to sub-$15 gets 
>> you some dial-up conversions. But when the price returns to normal, some 
>> switch back to cheaper dial-up.
>>
>> The dilemma becomes How do you get more internet appliance (PC's, 
>> laptops, PDAs, internet terminal) penetration?
>>
>> The marketing question is: What Remarkable & Useful things can you do 
>> with broadband (other than entertainment)?
>>
>> That's my 2 cents.
>>
>> Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.
>>
>
> I agree with you, I still have a considerable amount of dial up 
> subscribers.
>
> There needs to be a motivator, other than price, that makes these types of

> users decide to trade up. They have to want to.
>
> And I thought giant pictures killing  their email would have done the 
> trick by now :(
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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition LeavesU.S.16th Among IndustrializedNations

[George Rogato]

I'll agree to agree:)

It's happened to me about a half dozen times or so.
People upgraded to broadband, but don't use it to much and when it's 
budget crunch time, they axe the broadband because it's just not 
important enough to them.
All my downgrades are seniors with fixed incomes. One guy I just 
adjusted his rate to 20.00 and figured I'm charitable and he is my next 
door neighbor


George

Brad Belton wrote:

Pretty sure Peter said:

"But when the price returns to normal, some switch back to cheaper dial-up."


I can believe this as many people are driven by price and price alone.
Broadband isn't for everyone no more than bottled water is worth it to
everyone.

Best,


Brad

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IndustrializedNations

Peter,

I do not agree with those statistics.
Why would anyone prefer DialUp for the same price? Don't think so.
A large part of that 68% are DialUp Users NOT by choice.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Peter R. wrote:
We are actually at the point where about 68% of the US population has 
Internet.

The rest don't own a computer or do not want Internet.

Some of that 68% is still on dial-up. For some it is a price thing. For 
some it is not understanding technology. For some it is to make the 
experience painful to avoid wasting hours on the internet.


So dropping the price - as SBC and VZ have experienced - to sub-$15 gets 
you some dial-up conversions. But when the price returns to normal, some 
switch back to cheaper dial-up.


The dilemma becomes How do you get more internet appliance (PC's, 
laptops, PDAs, internet terminal) penetration?


The marketing question is: What Remarkable & Useful things can you do 
with broadband (other than entertainment)?


That's my 2 cents.

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.

I agree with you, I still have a considerable amount of dial up 
subscribers.


There needs to be a motivator, other than price, that makes these types of



users decide to trade up. They have to want to.

And I thought giant pictures killing  their email would have done the 
trick by now :(


George

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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal FraudCharges

[John Scrivner]

I agree with you Blair. Trouble is the .gov money will not be going 
away. I do my best to make sure I get some since it will be going 
someplace. I don't have to have that money in order to make it in 
business. I just do not know why I would let it go to others when it is 
available to people just like you and me. I have been a recipient in one 
way or another in 3 out of 4 grants I have been a part of. Here is text 
from the last one just issued today from the Illinois Digital Divide 
Elimination Fund:


To conclude, we hereby direct that the following proposals be adopted 
and fully funded: (1) Clearwave Communications LLC d/b/a Delta 
Communications; (2) Egyptian Internet Services, Inc.; (3) Heartland 
Communications Internet Services, Inc.; (4) Illinois Rural Electric 
Cooperative; (5) Mt. Vernon.Net; (6) Northern Illinois Technology 
Triangle; (7) City of Sullivan; (8) USA Broadband-EI, LLC; (9) ROC-Net 
Holdings, LLC; and the (10) City of Rock Falls.


We direct Staff to execute Grant Agreements, in substantially the form 
set forth in the RFGP, on the Commission’s behalf with each such 
applicant, to monitor contract compliance of each applicant with each 
such Grant Award, to resolve conditional approval matters that we have 
noted in this order, and to report to us as needed regarding this matter.



I just can't let free money go to others when all you have to do is ask 
for it and send in some paperwork.


Scriv



Blair Davis wrote:


I personally hope that all this .gov money goes away.

I don't like competing with others who can't make it on their own and 
have to have .gov money.



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Re: [WISPA] RE: ISPCON?

[John Scrivner]

We need someone to fund our WISPA meeting room and reception at ISPCON. 
Many of the board will be there. You think Alvarion could do that? We 
could make you the official sponsor and let you open the meeting with a 
few words?

Let me know,
Scriv



Patrick Leary wrote:


Looks like I will attend, but have not planned to exhibit or speak this
go-round. How many of you are planning on going? Maybe I can arrange
something.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

Does that mean you will be attending ISPCON?
Speaking??

Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.
 


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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted onFederal FraudCharges

[John Scrivner]

I don't buy that. We won in this last Illinois grant and Verizon lost.
Scriv


Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


It's not going to go away...  Rather, it's going to start going only to the
in ILEC's, etc.   As part of the "accountability" demands,  you'll find that
smaller, startups, and non-monopolies will be considered too "risky" and
it'll end up being a gravy train for the big guys.

When you want handouts, nothing changes, the biggest bullies win.


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neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington
email me at mark at neofast dot net
541-969-8200
Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net

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From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:02 AM
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FraudCharges


 


I personally hope that all this .gov money goes away.

I don't like competing with others who can't make it on their own and
have to have .gov money.

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RE: [WISPA] Broadband Company PresidentIndicted onFederal FraudCharges

[Brad Belton]

Good example of why the saying; "There is an exception to every rule" holds
true once again.  

Congratulations on your score over Verizon.  Gotta love that!

Best,

Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
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FraudCharges

I don't buy that. We won in this last Illinois grant and Verizon lost.
Scriv


Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

>It's not going to go away...  Rather, it's going to start going only to the
>in ILEC's, etc.   As part of the "accountability" demands,  you'll find
that
>smaller, startups, and non-monopolies will be considered too "risky" and
>it'll end up being a gravy train for the big guys.
>
>When you want handouts, nothing changes, the biggest bullies win.
>
>
>+++
>neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington
>email me at mark at neofast dot net
>541-969-8200
>Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:02 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted onFederal
>FraudCharges
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>>I personally hope that all this .gov money goes away.
>>
>>I don't like competing with others who can't make it on their own and
>>have to have .gov money.
>>
>>-- 
>>Blair Davis
>>
>>AOL IM Screen Name --  Theory240
>>
>>West Michigan Wireless ISP
>>269-686-8648
>>
>>A division of:
>>Camp Communication Services, INC
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Re: [WISPA] MT Lockups

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

We had the exact same problem about 6 months ago... our only solution 
was to replace the SBE card with an ethernet card and use a DS3 to 
Ethernet converter on both sides. Since that change (everything else the 
same), the problem stopped.


Travis
Microserv

Ed Spoon wrote:


Has anyone experienced or have any thoughts on the following

PC Based Mikrotik with Disk-on module, SBE Card, 4Port Ethernet card...

Hard locks at random. Has been happening every 2 to 4 weeks (sometimes 
longer) but a reboot takes care of it, so it has not been a real 
issue, just aggravating. Recently happened twice in one week so we 
replaced the hardware - all of it, including PC and all cards - and 
upgraded to 2.9.29. This was a week and 2 days ago - it locked up 
again today, same symptoms. This is a complete lock up, no telnet, 
ssh, etc... No activity on local monitor/keyboard...no traffic, etc.


This is used as back haul and pushes a steady 10-12 Megs during peak 
hours. The lock ups happen during peak and off peak hours so I don't 
think it is load related. There is another MT at the opposite end of 
the backhaul link with the same cards installed. This MT had this same 
issue a while back but cleared up after changing hardware, which is 
why we thought a hardware change would fix the current problem.


but...about an hour after today's lock up and reboot, it happened 
again and this time it was the other end - the one that has been fine 
since it was replaced several months ago.


Very frustrating and difficult to troubleshoot, no logs or dumps of 
any kind.


Thanks
Ed


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[WISPA] SR9 madwifi and WRAP power issues?

[rabbtux rabbtux]

All,

I'm trying to evaluate my new SR9s.  I have 2 WRAP boards and 11db
antennas.  I seem to recall at one point that I saw the TX power
reported by iwconfig as 26db (700mw).  Now a couple weeks later when I
resume field tests, I noticed it was 16db.  I can change the power
down and iwconfig reports it, yet I can't change it above the 16 now
reported?

I swapped pigtails, and even SR9s to look at this.  Can anyone suggest
some way to verify power output short of a spectrum analyzer??

Thank you kindly,
marshall

Rabbit Meadows Technology
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Re: [WISPA] SR9 madwifi and WRAP power issues?

[Bob Knight]

I've been tracking the madwifi power issues for a while now, and there are a number of 
open tickets relating to txpower. Nobody seems to be working on them.


The ubiquiti cards apparently have a firmware "hack" that actually sets a higher txpower 
for lower (IIRC 15-17) power settings via iwconfig. I haven't seen that with the Engenius 
high-power cards, although my testing is very ad hoc. I don't have a spectrum analyzer 
handy, but that may change soon :).


FWIW...

Bob
La Canada Wireless Association
Santa Fe, NM

rabbtux rabbtux wrote:

All,

I'm trying to evaluate my new SR9s.  I have 2 WRAP boards and 11db
antennas.  I seem to recall at one point that I saw the TX power
reported by iwconfig as 26db (700mw).  Now a couple weeks later when I
resume field tests, I noticed it was 16db.  I can change the power
down and iwconfig reports it, yet I can't change it above the 16 now
reported?

I swapped pigtails, and even SR9s to look at this.  Can anyone suggest
some way to verify power output short of a spectrum analyzer??

Thank you kindly,
marshall

Rabbit Meadows Technology
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Re: [WISPA] SR9 madwifi and WRAP power issues?

[Lonnie Nunweiler]

Depending on the driver version you'll see different numbers.  The SR9
has a gain of about 12 dB that is not accounted for in the RF chain,
so a number of 16 is actually 28 dB.  The newer drivers do not allow
you to exceed the manufacturer programmed maximum values, since doing
so can overdrive the card and damage it.

Lonnie

On 9/19/06, rabbtux rabbtux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

All,

I'm trying to evaluate my new SR9s.  I have 2 WRAP boards and 11db
antennas.  I seem to recall at one point that I saw the TX power
reported by iwconfig as 26db (700mw).  Now a couple weeks later when I
resume field tests, I noticed it was 16db.  I can change the power
down and iwconfig reports it, yet I can't change it above the 16 now
reported?

I swapped pigtails, and even SR9s to look at this.  Can anyone suggest
some way to verify power output short of a spectrum analyzer??

Thank you kindly,
marshall

Rabbit Meadows Technology
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