RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > external > battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am > having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' > light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Yes we have Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 To:"WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Bob, They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi. Trango has a very efficient MAC with little waste. If the the Exalt does real throughput of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and value proposition. And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a speed leader in unlicensed. Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios > Tom, > > You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full duplex? > How is that?? > The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX > > If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x > $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to say > what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you > could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better). > > So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) > > And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth > soon... > > -B- > > > Tom DeReggi wrote: > >>> The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput >>> in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 >>> Mhz channel. >> >> >> OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has >> similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1% >> of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. >> >> Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then >> 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. >>This of course being best case based on noise >> level and acheivalbe modulation. >> >> Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. >> So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to the >> high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. >> Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 >> support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone >> offering Voice services also. >> >> All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower than >> the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the > >> $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 >> bucks or two to make it survivable. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Lakeland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios >> >> >>> Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as expected and stated. >>> They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the >>> center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can >>> get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna >>> or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, >>> the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all >>> units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very >>> reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between >>> radios. User defined latency and channel bandwidth as well as free >>> upgrade to 5.4 when it becomes available. >>> The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput >>> in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 >>> Mhz channel. >>> Now lets address the Motorola Orthogon for a minute. It has no GPS >>> syncing. It has no integral fiber interface. The fiber "kit" is an >>> option that allows for cable runs in excess of POE lengths but you still >>> need external power. I can put a media converter and external power on >>> a Exalt radio also. >>> As far as the bandwidth is concerned the Orthogon still uses 60 MHz to >>> give full bandwidth. It just uses 30 on vertical and 30 on horizontal. >>> On a positive note for Exalt the C/I is much better on the Exalt radio >>> which ultimately guarantees better distance in noisy environments. >>> The pricin on the Connectronics site is MSRP. You can get it quite a >>> bit lower... >>> -B- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> John Scrivner writes: >>> Bob, Tell us about yo
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Hello Tom, Yes auto-rate was off and ARQ was on. We tried every combination possible at the direction of Trango. While I agree my experiences with Atlas may be on the worse side of the scale I know many operators that have had the same poor experiences with Atlas as we have. I would venture to guess you are one of very few that has seen 45Mbps out of an Atlas. Just to clarify; we are talking about payload, right? Yes, antenna upgrades are common place with us. Gabriel, RadioWaves and MTi are our antennas of choice. You should know that more than anyone as I was one if not the biggest proponent of better antennas as it relates to Trango! 45Mbps HDX out of an Atlas, eh? Sure would like to see some proof of that...screenshot perhaps? Certainly you're not going to claim an Atlas can produce 45Mbps FDX as well are you? After all, FDX is what this topic is all about. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Brad, I'm aware of your Atlas experience. We've gotten Full 45mbps out of an Atlas numerous times. However, I admit, often that does require antenna size upgrade, and that needs to be factored into the end cost for comparison. >Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate >itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat. Thats why you turn off auto-rate, and turn on ARQ. I guess I just never get that excited about buying a radio that costs more than a decent car. (when a car technically is much more expensive to make) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Not only that, but the Atlas isn't capable of 45Mbps in any form much less FDX. Most we've ever seen out of an Atlas is maybe 20Mbps HDX with very clean air. Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat. Believe me these "up to" or "best effort" radios are tempting, but until you deploy a few $15k - $30k PtP radio sets that actually produce what they claim you won't understand what we're talking about. When I say "you" I'm not directing that at anyone in particular just a general comment. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Tom, You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full duplex? How is that?? The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better). So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth soon... -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: >> The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true >> throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is >> based on a 64 Mhz channel. > > > OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has > similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only > 1% of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. > > Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then > 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. >This of course being best case based on noise > level and acheivalbe modulation. > > Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. > So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to the > high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. > Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside > T1 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for > someone offering Voice services also. > > All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower > than the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are > in the > $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the > extra $1000 bucks or two to make it survivable. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - From: "Lakeland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios > > >> Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as expected and stated. >> They have relatively straight forward GUI int
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
$200 each ? what is the specs on this batts? We pay about $160 for AGM 105 ah batts Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need > two batteries running in series. > > It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel > type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive > side of the connection. > > Travis > Microserv > > Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now >> and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad >> battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? >> >> Mark Nash >> Network Engineer >> UnwiredOnline.Net >> 350 Holly Street >> Junction City, OR 97448 >> http://www.uwol.net >> 541-998- >> 541-998-5599 fax >> >> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Muni network report from the FTC
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2006/10/muniwireless.htm I've not read the whole report yet. But it looks like something worth reading if one's interested in the subject. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
You will also want to use a battery that has similar characteristics as the batteries that are already in it. Not all batteries charge and disipate at the same rate. So you would need to know what batteries are in it already and then compare manufacturer's detail specs. Otherwise what happens is a year down the road, one set of batteries work and the other set of batteries deteriorates, and your run-time goes way way down. A lot of people don't realize this, if they do not have a lot of power failures. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Travis, do you guys make any special configs on the UPS units ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to > use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will > last with constantly being charged by the UPS? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > >> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you >> need two batteries running in series. >> >> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the >> positive side of the connection. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right >>> now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the >>> 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Mark Nash >>> Network Engineer >>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>> 350 Holly Street >>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>> http://www.uwol.net >>> 541-998- >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> >>> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work? Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Yes it is. There just aren't any radios certified yet. There are many in the pipeline I'm told. Should see gear very shortly. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Lakeland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios 5.4 is not type accepted in the US. Gino A. Villarini writes: Spectras ara vailable on 5.4 too , tho not the same flexibility as having a triband radio ... Spectras also have GPS sync, plus fiber interfaces Spectras have the dual pol. Dynamic DFS thingy... wich it's the coolest tool And they are owned by Motorola!!! The Exal radios looks promising, the only drawback it's the channel size for full speed 64 mhz, Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios A few things to consider The Exalt does the whole 5 Ghz. band, including 5.3 and 5.4 It also allows you to set the center channel on any 1 Mhz. division. It has GPS syncing so you only need to use one channel for a handful of radios at the same site. (Try doing that with Orthogon) It is capable of elctronically switching polarities like the Trango radios do. (yeah,yeah...something like the Orthogon). And finally...they are not owned by MOTOROLA! :-) FYI...I have installed approx. 11 Orthogon Spectra links. I have had power supply failures 5 times. I just waited 12 days for a replacement power supply after ordering it from the distributor. The last link we ordered was missing part of the mounting bracket. One of the mounting brackets did not have one of the holes tapped. Not fun when you are onsite for an install. I still like Orthogon. I just like Exalt better. -B- I Gino A. Villarini wrote: For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Maybe I'm missing something -- but w/ LICENSED Dragonwave 50 Mb radios as low as $8-9k / link, unless you're going to shoot 15+ miles (which isn't really possible w/ the amount of spectrum utilized) why would you even bother messing around w/ such a high-priced unlicensed radio? -Charles P.S. -- Bob, can you ping me offlist w/ your contact info, need to ask you something --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Yes we have Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 To:"WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Bob, They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi. Trango has a very efficient MAC with little waste. If the the Exalt does real throughput of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and value proposition. And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a speed leader in unlicensed. Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios > Tom, > > You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full > duplex? > How is that?? > The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX > > If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x > $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to say > what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you > could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better). > > So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) > > And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth > soon... > > -B- > > > Tom DeReggi wrote: > >>> The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true >>> throughput >>> in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 >>> Mhz channel. >> >> >> OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has >> similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1% >> of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. >> >> Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then >> 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. >>This of course being best case based on noise >> level and acheivalbe modulation. >> >> Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. >> So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to >> the >> high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. >> Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 >> support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone >> offering Voice services also. >> >> All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower >> than >> the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the > >> $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 >> bucks or two to make it survivable. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Lakeland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios >> >> >>> Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as expected and stated. >>> They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the >>> center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can >>> get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna >>> or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, >>> the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all >>> units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very >>> reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between >>> radios. User defined latency and channel bandwidth as well as free >>> upgrade to 5.4 when it becomes available. >>> The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput >>> in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 >>> Mhz channel. >>> Now lets address the Motorola Orthogon for a minute. It has no GP
[WISPA] A little bit about customer data retention
From Robert Cannon's awesome web site: http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/records.htm laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DHCP with a twist
Sam Tetherow wrote: > Being five days late on this you have probably already solved it, but > just in case Not really, no. :) I'm still in the "planning" phase of this next change in the network. > The CB3 will request a DHCP address with it's MAC address (assuming it > is set to DHCP). When the PC or router behind the CB3 requests a DHCP > lease you will see the MAC for that device. The DHCP REQUEST message > actually contains the MAC address it is requesting an IP for, it is not > just assumed to be the MAC address that is seen making the request. The > biggest issue I could think of with this setup is when the customers > device changes (new router or NIC) they will have to call into the NOC > and the DHCP assignment will have to be changed. That's the problem I was hoping to avoid. Honestly, I really like (from a technical standpoint) the cable modem solution to all this. DOCSIS addresses pretty much every question I've ever had, and then some. Heck, it even includes enforcing your bandwidth quotas right there in the CPE, which gives me fits of giggles every time I think about it. And it's dead simple for the customer to set up, because there basically is no set-up to be done. I'm sure there's a way to duplicate the benefits of DOCSIS on a wireless network, I just haven't figured it out yet :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Here is the battery. Got a 5 year warrranty. http://www.lifelinebatteries.com/rvflyer.php?id=2 Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > $200 each ? what is the specs on this batts? We pay about $160 for AGM 105 > ah batts > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:36 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use > are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with > constantly being charged by the UPS? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > - Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > > > You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need > > > two batteries running in series. > > > > It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel > > type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive > > side of the connection. > > > > Travis > > Microserv > > > > Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > >> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > >> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now > >> and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad > >> battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? > >> > >> Mark Nash > >> Network Engineer > >> UnwiredOnline.Net > >> 350 Holly Street > >> Junction City, OR 97448 > >> http://www.uwol.net > >> 541-998- > >> 541-998-5599 fax > >> > >> > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
I've been putting the new gel cell units in my boat. The kids are always leaving something on so the battery has been drained and charged a number of times. Still working great. I get them at Napa. Deep cycle with really good cold cranking amps. I think the one's I've been buying are around $120 or so. I'm putting them in every rig here these days because they've worked so well on the boat. So far, so good. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Charlie... were do I get those prices for dragonwave gear? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Maybe I'm missing something -- but w/ LICENSED Dragonwave 50 Mb radios as low as $8-9k / link, unless you're going to shoot 15+ miles (which isn't really possible w/ the amount of spectrum utilized) why would you even bother messing around w/ such a high-priced unlicensed radio? -Charles P.S. -- Bob, can you ping me offlist w/ your contact info, need to ask you something --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Yes we have Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 To:"WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Bob, They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi. Trango has a very efficient MAC with little waste. If the the Exalt does real throughput of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and value proposition. And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a speed leader in unlicensed. Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios > Tom, > > You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full > duplex? > How is that?? > The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX > > If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x > $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to say > what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you > could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better). > > So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) > > And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth > soon... > > -B- > > > Tom DeReggi wrote: > >>> The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true >>> throughput >>> in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 >>> Mhz channel. >> >> >> OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has >> similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1% >> of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. >> >> Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then >> 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. >>This of course being best case based on noise >> level and acheivalbe modulation. >> >> Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. >> So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to >> the >> high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. >> Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 >> support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone >> offering Voice services also. >> >> All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower >> than >> the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the > >> $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 >> bucks or two to make it survivable. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Lakeland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios >> >> >>> Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as expected and stated. >>> They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the >>> center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can >>> get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna >>> or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, >>> the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all >>> units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very >>> reasonable
[WISPA] CROSS POST: Routerboard Stand-offs
Someone had some MT Routerboard stand-offs that had an adhesive back, and I was wishing to get my chubby little hand one a few, off-list please if you can sell me some. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Principle Member of WISPA - Travis Johnson and Microserv
Welcome Travis, I know I can learn a lot from your comments. >-Original Message- >From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:18 PM >To: wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [WISPA] New Principle Member of WISPA - Travis Johnson and Microserv > >We have seen quite a bit of interest in new membership in WISPA lately. >I am proud to announce that Travis Johnson has added his name to the >list of WISP operators who have joined WISPA. Travis has a very >successful operation and I am sure his involvement in WISPA will be >valuable to us and to him as well. Please join me in welcoming Travis >Johnson and his WISP Microserv. Here is a little background on Travis >and Microserv: > >Microserv started as a dial-up ISP in 1994. We began providing wireless >service in 1997, DSL service in 2001 and fiber-optic service in 2003. We >currently provide fixed wireless service covering 25,000 square miles of >southeastern Idaho and have over 3,000 current wireless subscribers. Our >entire backbone is wireless with links from 5 miles to 73 miles and >using 5.3ghz to 38ghz. > >I designed and installed the entire infrastructure (over 60 operating >repeater locations) and continue to service and support them while also >running the day to day operations of a company with 25 employees. We are >growing at a rate of 60+ wireless customers per month and continue to >add new services and features for our existing customers. I am excited >to be a member of WISPA and hope to help the organization grow and >benefit the industry. > >Thanks, > >Travis Johnson, President >Microserv >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =) -Charles <--- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:14 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Charlie... were do I get those prices for dragonwave gear? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Maybe I'm missing something -- but w/ LICENSED Dragonwave 50 Mb radios as low as $8-9k / link, unless you're going to shoot 15+ miles (which isn't really possible w/ the amount of spectrum utilized) why would you even bother messing around w/ such a high-priced unlicensed radio? -Charles P.S. -- Bob, can you ping me offlist w/ your contact info, need to ask you something --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Yes we have Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 To:"WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Bob, They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi. Trango has a very efficient MAC with little waste. If the the Exalt does real throughput of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and value proposition. And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a speed leader in unlicensed. Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios > Tom, > > You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full > duplex? > How is that?? > The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX > > If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x > $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to > say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 > Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and > probably do better). > > So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) > > And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth > soon... > > -B- > > > Tom DeReggi wrote: > >>> The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true >>> throughput >>> in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 >>> Mhz channel. >> >> >> OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has >> similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe >> only 1% >> of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. >> >> Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then >> 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. >>This of course being best case based on noise >> level and acheivalbe modulation. >> >> Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. >> So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to >> the >> high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. >> Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 >> support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone >> offering Voice services also. >> >> All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower >> than >> the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the > >> $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra >> $1000 >> bucks or two to make it survivable. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Lakeland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios >> >> >>> Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as exp
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Somehow I knew this was coming jeje Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =) -Charles <--- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:14 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Charlie... were do I get those prices for dragonwave gear? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Maybe I'm missing something -- but w/ LICENSED Dragonwave 50 Mb radios as low as $8-9k / link, unless you're going to shoot 15+ miles (which isn't really possible w/ the amount of spectrum utilized) why would you even bother messing around w/ such a high-priced unlicensed radio? -Charles P.S. -- Bob, can you ping me offlist w/ your contact info, need to ask you something --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Yes we have Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 To:"WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Bob, They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi. Trango has a very efficient MAC with little waste. If the the Exalt does real throughput of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and value proposition. And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a speed leader in unlicensed. Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios > Tom, > > You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full > duplex? > How is that?? > The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX > > If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x > $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to > say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 > Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and > probably do better). > > So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) > > And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth > soon... > > -B- > > > Tom DeReggi wrote: > >>> The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true >>> throughput >>> in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 >>> Mhz channel. >> >> >> OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has >> similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe >> only 1% >> of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. >> >> Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then >> 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. >>This of course being best case based on noise >> level and acheivalbe modulation. >> >> Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. >> So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to >> the >> high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. >> Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 >> support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone >> offering Voice services also. >> >> All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower >> than >> the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the > >> $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra >> $1000 >> bucks or
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Interesting article on gel vs flooded vs agm batteries..also read the cooling stats http://www.vonwentzel.net/Battery/01.Type/index.html chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I've been putting the new gel cell units in my boat. The kids are always leaving something on so the battery has been drained and charged a number of times. Still working great. I get them at Napa. Deep cycle with really good cold cranking amps. I think the one's I've been buying are around $120 or so. I'm putting them in every rig here these days because they've worked so well on the boat. So far, so good. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to > use > are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with > constantly being charged by the UPS? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > - Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > >> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you >> need two batteries running in series. >> >> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >> gel >> type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive >> side of the connection. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now >>> and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad >>> battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? >>> >>> Mark Nash >>> Network Engineer >>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>> 350 Holly Street >>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>> http://www.uwol.net >>> 541-998- >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> >>> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it accurate? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
The SNMP interface you can get for it. Web/telnet/ssh/snmp interface. I love the one from APC. I can reboot a tower site from my blackberry! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it > accurate? > > Brian > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked > > OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle > > that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each > > and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. > > > > We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running > > on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another > > 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port > > switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) > > > > Travis > > Microserv > > > > Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > > > >> Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to > >> use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will > >> last with constantly being charged by the UPS? > >> > >> Mark Nash > >> Network Engineer > >> UnwiredOnline.Net > >> 350 Holly Street > >> Junction City, OR 97448 > >> http://www.uwol.net > >> 541-998- > >> 541-998-5599 fax > >> - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >> > >> > >>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so > >>> you need two batteries running in series. > >>> > >>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two > >>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the > >>> positive side of the connection. > >>> > >>> Travis > >>> Microserv > >>> > >>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > >>> > I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it > right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously > with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle > battery. Any ideas? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > > >>> -- > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Charles Wu wrote: You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =) -Charles <--- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA Does your company also take care of the license search and procurement process? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DHCP with a twist
There is a way, it is just more expensive than a CB3 ;) One idea I have had is to set up a 'walled garden' for unknown DHCP assignments. In other words if they don't match a static lease they go into a seperate address space which is restricted to an internal web site. From they they can log in with their username and password from email and it will automagically figure out what mac goes with what IP address. The code wouldn't take much in my setup, given their dynamic IP I know what AP they are on. The program then logs into the AP and pulls the DHCP assignment from the lease table. Given the username and password they logged in with I can tell what the IP is suppose to be and I can now update the static lease. This wouldn't be that hard to write since I use MT for my APs. But looking at the setup I ask myself, wouldn't it just make more sense to go PPPoE instead? Less work on my end, it is standard and there is less stuff to break. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless David E. Smith wrote: Sam Tetherow wrote: Being five days late on this you have probably already solved it, but just in case Not really, no. :) I'm still in the "planning" phase of this next change in the network. The CB3 will request a DHCP address with it's MAC address (assuming it is set to DHCP). When the PC or router behind the CB3 requests a DHCP lease you will see the MAC for that device. The DHCP REQUEST message actually contains the MAC address it is requesting an IP for, it is not just assumed to be the MAC address that is seen making the request. The biggest issue I could think of with this setup is when the customers device changes (new router or NIC) they will have to call into the NOC and the DHCP assignment will have to be changed. That's the problem I was hoping to avoid. Honestly, I really like (from a technical standpoint) the cable modem solution to all this. DOCSIS addresses pretty much every question I've ever had, and then some. Heck, it even includes enforcing your bandwidth quotas right there in the CPE, which gives me fits of giggles every time I think about it. And it's dead simple for the customer to set up, because there basically is no set-up to be done. I'm sure there's a way to duplicate the benefits of DOCSIS on a wireless network, I just haven't figured it out yet :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep cells in there? Brian Gino A. Villarini wrote: Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Please don't ask ... jeje Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Charles Wu wrote: > You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =) > > -Charles <--- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA > Does your company also take care of the license search and procurement process? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Hi, Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well worth it. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep cells in there? Brian Gino A. Villarini wrote: Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
We adjust the number of "external batteries" in the APC configuration settings. Usually we set it to 2x the number of actual batteries we have installed and it seems pretty accurate. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it accurate? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Ok, so you put 4 when you use 2 AGM on series ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS We adjust the number of "external batteries" in the APC configuration settings. Usually we set it to 2x the number of actual batteries we have installed and it seems pretty accurate. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it > accurate? > > Brian > > Travis Johnson wrote: > >> We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They >> worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel >> deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 >> pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. >> >> We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running >> on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows >> another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP >> 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> >>> Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want >>> to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that >>> will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? >>> >>> Mark Nash >>> Network Engineer >>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>> 350 Holly Street >>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>> http://www.uwol.net >>> 541-998- >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >>> >>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it > right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously > with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle > battery. Any ideas? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Hi Matt, Yes, we can take care of everything The guys at Broadband Wireless Business did a nice writeup about this process a few years ago -- check out http://www.shorecliffcommunications.com/magazine/volume.asp?Vol=39&story=365 -Charles P.S. -- FCC fees have increased substantially recently, so the prices quoted in the article are a bit higher now --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Charles Wu wrote: > You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =) > > -Charles <--- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA > Does your company also take care of the license search and procurement process? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Yes. Gino A. Villarini wrote: Ok, so you put 4 when you use 2 AGM on series ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS We adjust the number of "external batteries" in the APC configuration settings. Usually we set it to 2x the number of actual batteries we have installed and it seems pretty accurate. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it accurate? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
We dropped it and parked the truck for now. When it's time to use it again I'll probably just have the insurance set up so that I'm the only one that can use the truck. Our insurance is a wreck these days. The costs have shot up so high it's almost impossible to afford any. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dylan Bouterse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work? Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Transtector Lightning Suppression
I don't know if anyone has looked into modular lightning suppression, but I have been talking with someone from Transtector. They make a 24V version for Motorola with Cat5 jacks, and they make a 48V version for Proxim/Cisco/Mikrotik/Whatever but they are screw terminals (for power only). He is looking to see if they can change the diodes on the 24V version to allow clamp at 60V for the power side, and 15V on the data side with Cat5 jacks. Here is what it looks like http://www.transtector.com/productdetail?item=1101-670. Since this is modular, I want to have the option to have Motorola, Mikrotik, and/or Alvarion on the tower. With this distribution panel, you can swap out the lightning suppression to what you are using 24V equipment or 48V Equipment. Any ideas? Anyone doing anything similar? Would anyone else be interested in getting some? I don't have any costs yet, but he will get back with me soon. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket! Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. We dropped it and parked the truck for now. When it's time to use it again I'll probably just have the insurance set up so that I'm the only one that can use the truck. Our insurance is a wreck these days. The costs have shot up so high it's almost impossible to afford any. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dylan Bouterse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work? Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 750feet FSO
Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at ~750feet? A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably. Thanks. Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DHCP with a twist
You can do all this with DHCP at least with ISC's version of DHCPD. I won't go into all the gory details but you but you can use clases to put different mac's into different groups of IP ranges etc. For example we set all of our CB3's to DHCP and based on their MAC address we throw them into a private IP range. That way our techs can log into them remotely and manage them. Then the customer's router MAC goes into a separate class which gives them a public IP address and then our packet shaper limits their speed based on which plan they purchased. You can also take any MAC address that is not registered in your DHCP server and give them a BOGUS IP and DNS server which forces all traffic to a registration server(walled garden) that allows them put in their username and password. If it authenticates, then it put's their MAC into the known clients and lets them have a real public IP and away they go. Anyhow, I guess what I am saying what you want to do is all possible via DHCP. You don't have to add the additional overhead of PPPoE to make what you want to do happen. -Eric On 11/15/06, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is a way, it is just more expensive than a CB3 ;) One idea I have had is to set up a 'walled garden' for unknown DHCP assignments. In other words if they don't match a static lease they go into a seperate address space which is restricted to an internal web site. From they they can log in with their username and password from email and it will automagically figure out what mac goes with what IP address. The code wouldn't take much in my setup, given their dynamic IP I know what AP they are on. The program then logs into the AP and pulls the DHCP assignment from the lease table. Given the username and password they logged in with I can tell what the IP is suppose to be and I can now update the static lease. This wouldn't be that hard to write since I use MT for my APs. But looking at the setup I ask myself, wouldn't it just make more sense to go PPPoE instead? Less work on my end, it is standard and there is less stuff to break. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless David E. Smith wrote: > Sam Tetherow wrote: > >> Being five days late on this you have probably already solved it, but >> just in case >> > > Not really, no. :) I'm still in the "planning" phase of this next change > in the network. > > >> The CB3 will request a DHCP address with it's MAC address (assuming it >> is set to DHCP). When the PC or router behind the CB3 requests a DHCP >> lease you will see the MAC for that device. The DHCP REQUEST message >> actually contains the MAC address it is requesting an IP for, it is not >> just assumed to be the MAC address that is seen making the request. The >> biggest issue I could think of with this setup is when the customers >> device changes (new router or NIC) they will have to call into the NOC >> and the DHCP assignment will have to be changed. >> > > That's the problem I was hoping to avoid. > > Honestly, I really like (from a technical standpoint) the cable modem > solution to all this. DOCSIS addresses pretty much every question I've > ever had, and then some. Heck, it even includes enforcing your bandwidth > quotas right there in the CPE, which gives me fits of giggles every time > I think about it. And it's dead simple for the customer to set up, > because there basically is no set-up to be done. > > I'm sure there's a way to duplicate the benefits of DOCSIS on a wireless > network, I just haven't figured it out yet :) > > David Smith > MVN.net > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
I use standard Farmers Insurance for our fleet insurance who has never mentioned a problem with the fact that it's a bucket truck or not. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. We dropped it and parked the truck for now. When it's time to use it again I'll probably just have the insurance set up so that I'm the only one that can use the truck. Our insurance is a wreck these days. The costs have shot up so high it's almost impossible to afford any. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dylan Bouterse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work? Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Travis, Do any of these APC models, comes WITHOUT internal batteries, so you don't have to worry about matching up the battery types, and just pick your preferred external ones? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Hi, Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well worth it. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep cells in there? Brian Gino A. Villarini wrote: Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Brad, I recognize your points and don't deny them. But I get what I get where I get it. What I've been finding is that similar expereince is received with other products.(Meaning they don't always get their speed either). Most of my Atlas Links (above 10 miles) are not running at top modulation, they usually operating optimally (no packet loss and low latency) at the 36mbps modulation level, which pushes real data of significantly less, I forget the exact speeds with IPerf, but it was real close to 30 mbps. I don't have a single Atlas running slower than that in service. But on shorter links, we've gotten full modulation and full speed (45mbps) out of the Atlas. I believe I did post some speed results on the list over the summer. But you are right you can't get it in a very noisy environment, if you have to get the TX and RX power to high. But its not really a distance limit, its a delicate balancing act to get everything just right. (RX signal not to high, TX power not to high, RSSI >20db above noise floor ). Its all controlled by using the right antenna. The Atlas also makes a GREAT 5.3-54 backhaul, for links under 5-7 miles. When it operates at the low power, it runs much cleaner. PS. recognize that my first post, I did not catch that the Exalts were FDX. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Hello Tom, Yes auto-rate was off and ARQ was on. We tried every combination possible at the direction of Trango. While I agree my experiences with Atlas may be on the worse side of the scale I know many operators that have had the same poor experiences with Atlas as we have. I would venture to guess you are one of very few that has seen 45Mbps out of an Atlas. Just to clarify; we are talking about payload, right? Yes, antenna upgrades are common place with us. Gabriel, RadioWaves and MTi are our antennas of choice. You should know that more than anyone as I was one if not the biggest proponent of better antennas as it relates to Trango! 45Mbps HDX out of an Atlas, eh? Sure would like to see some proof of that...screenshot perhaps? Certainly you're not going to claim an Atlas can produce 45Mbps FDX as well are you? After all, FDX is what this topic is all about. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Brad, I'm aware of your Atlas experience. We've gotten Full 45mbps out of an Atlas numerous times. However, I admit, often that does require antenna size upgrade, and that needs to be factored into the end cost for comparison. Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat. Thats why you turn off auto-rate, and turn on ARQ. I guess I just never get that excited about buying a radio that costs more than a decent car. (when a car technically is much more expensive to make) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Not only that, but the Atlas isn't capable of 45Mbps in any form much less FDX. Most we've ever seen out of an Atlas is maybe 20Mbps HDX with very clean air. Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat. Believe me these "up to" or "best effort" radios are tempting, but until you deploy a few $15k - $30k PtP radio sets that actually produce what they claim you won't understand what we're talking about. When I say "you" I'm not directing that at anyone in particular just a general comment. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Tom, You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full duplex? How is that?? The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better). So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth soon... -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true th
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Yup yup yup. Ours is a Ford F-350 4x4. :) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket! Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. We dropped it and parked the truck for now. When it's time to use it again I'll probably just have the insurance set up so that I'm the only one that can use the truck. Our insurance is a wreck these days. The costs have shot up so high it's almost impossible to afford any. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dylan Bouterse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work? Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Travis, What is the Manuf, Model of these gel cels, and where do you get them. additionally, is this a simple setup, just tie them in to the existing UPS. I have a Minuteman online 2000VA, only 2 batteries and they are small. Can I set these Batts in the Equip Bldg in a "pan" and let them exist w/ active equip? I'm in Michigan and it gets fairly cold in Winter. >-Original Message- >From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:25 AM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked >OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle >that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and >are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. > >We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on >two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 >hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port >switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) > >Travis >Microserv > >Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to >> use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will >> last with constantly being charged by the UPS? >> >> Mark Nash >> Network Engineer >> UnwiredOnline.Net >> 350 Holly Street >> Junction City, OR 97448 >> http://www.uwol.net >> 541-998- >> 541-998-5599 fax >> - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >> >> >>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you >>> need two batteries running in series. >>> >>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the >>> positive side of the connection. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax >>> -- >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CROSS POST: Routerboard Stand-offs
I actually posted the same question on the isp-wireless list this morning. This is what some kind person sent back. https://secure.microplastics.com/detail.asp?part=pcbsupportonadhbase&fam=cbhardware&pg=1 https://secure.microplastics.com/detail.asp?part=minilockpcbsupport&fam=cbhardware&pg=1 -Eric On 11/15/06, Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Someone had some MT Routerboard stand-offs that had an adhesive back, and I was wishing to get my chubby little hand one a few, off-list please if you can sell me some. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] star os/sr2----mikrotik/cm9
I replaced a star os/sr2 with a mikrotik/cm9 setup on an omni. I thought it would help my noise issues to get rid of the amped up sr2. It may have helped a little but now I have signal that I think it quite a bit less at the clients. What level of power is the cm9 at by default in a mikrotik and if I switch it to manual what could I push it to? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Thanks Travis, Brian, Mark & Gino - this thread answers the questions I had about adding batteries to the UPS's. >-Original Message- >From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 01:59 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >Hi, > >Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). >They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the >case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well >worth it. > >Travis >Microserv > >Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >> How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I >> don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is >> pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep >> cells in there? >> >> Brian >> >> Gino A. Villarini wrote: >> >>> Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC >>> unit? I >>> do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so >>> if this >>> is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >>> >>> APC SUNET700. 1 battery. >>> >>> Mark Nash >>> Network Engineer >>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>> 350 Holly Street >>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>> http://www.uwol.net >>> 541-998- >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >>> >>> >>> >>> What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Hello Tom, Well, that's the point we're trying to make here as to why not all radios are equal. Achieving advertised payloads 24x7 and not "up to" or "best effort" regardless of the environment (for the most part) is where the line is drawn. Good example is a TeraBridge 5x45 PtP radio set that costs between $8k - $15k depending on antennas, volume pricing etc. This is a radio that produces 45Mbps FDX period. No auto-rating, no ARQ, no ifs, no ands or buts. That's 90Mbps aggregate using only two 16Mhz wide channels. This radio was originally designed and built probably long before Trango even existed and has changed brand names no less than four times during its life. As the saying goes; They just don't make 'em like that anymore! lol Of course that doesn't mean the radio is immune to interference, but as long as you have enough gain over and above the noise floor they produce 45Mbps FDX. We have several pairs running in arguably one of the noisiest environments in the nation. In two separate cases we tried the Atlas at either side of a TeraBridge and the Atlas just couldn't cut the mustard. The Atlas is truly a toy in comparison to the TeraBridge. Back to the point of this thread...the Exalt radios look promising. I hope we see more products like the TeraBridge and Exalt radios. In order for us to keep ahead of the LECs and cable companies we need better products not cheaper ones. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Brad, I recognize your points and don't deny them. But I get what I get where I get it. What I've been finding is that similar expereince is received with other products.(Meaning they don't always get their speed either). Most of my Atlas Links (above 10 miles) are not running at top modulation, they usually operating optimally (no packet loss and low latency) at the 36mbps modulation level, which pushes real data of significantly less, I forget the exact speeds with IPerf, but it was real close to 30 mbps. I don't have a single Atlas running slower than that in service. But on shorter links, we've gotten full modulation and full speed (45mbps) out of the Atlas. I believe I did post some speed results on the list over the summer. But you are right you can't get it in a very noisy environment, if you have to get the TX and RX power to high. But its not really a distance limit, its a delicate balancing act to get everything just right. (RX signal not to high, TX power not to high, RSSI >20db above noise floor ). Its all controlled by using the right antenna. The Atlas also makes a GREAT 5.3-54 backhaul, for links under 5-7 miles. When it operates at the low power, it runs much cleaner. PS. recognize that my first post, I did not catch that the Exalts were FDX. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Hello Tom, Yes auto-rate was off and ARQ was on. We tried every combination possible at the direction of Trango. While I agree my experiences with Atlas may be on the worse side of the scale I know many operators that have had the same poor experiences with Atlas as we have. I would venture to guess you are one of very few that has seen 45Mbps out of an Atlas. Just to clarify; we are talking about payload, right? Yes, antenna upgrades are common place with us. Gabriel, RadioWaves and MTi are our antennas of choice. You should know that more than anyone as I was one if not the biggest proponent of better antennas as it relates to Trango! 45Mbps HDX out of an Atlas, eh? Sure would like to see some proof of that...screenshot perhaps? Certainly you're not going to claim an Atlas can produce 45Mbps FDX as well are you? After all, FDX is what this topic is all about. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Brad, I'm aware of your Atlas experience. We've gotten Full 45mbps out of an Atlas numerous times. However, I admit, often that does require antenna size upgrade, and that needs to be factored into the end cost for comparison. >Add a little noise to the equation and that puppy will auto-rate >itself down to the 10Mbps neighborhood in a heartbeat. Thats why you turn off auto-rate, and turn on ARQ. I guess I just never get that excited about buying a radio that costs more than a decent car. (when a car technically is much more expensive to make) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Or
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Tom, We remove the internal batteries completely. The only batteries connected are the large AGM type. We purchased 20 of them off ebay about 2 years ago. The batteries were $50 each, and shipping was $50 each. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Travis, Do any of these APC models, comes WITHOUT internal batteries, so you don't have to worry about matching up the battery types, and just pick your preferred external ones? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Hi, Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well worth it. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep cells in there? Brian Gino A. Villarini wrote: Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] America's InternetDisconnect
And they're going to hold the Public Utility Districts up as examples of wonderful partnerships, never mind that they are big fat bloated money holes taking the worst of public and joining it with the worst of private (see Grant county PUD, via www.sliderule.net) - did I come across as negative?? Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Great. Hang onto your wallets, guys. It's gonna get rocky. When you hear these guys say we gotta "do something about it", it means hand over massive piles of money to "real" business (ie, telcos). There's nothing here about entreprenurial types being the stars of the internet spread, it's "the failure of government to make it happen". "The solution to our broadband crisis must ultimately involve public-private initiatives like those that built the railroad, highway and telephone systems. Combined with an overhaul of our universal service system to make sure it is focusing on the needs of broadband, this represents our best chance at recapturing our leadership position." This means nothing other than some big business being given a monopoly and getting into bed with the government. < pounds head on desk... People get what they vote for...why, oh why...don't they learn > +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] America's InternetDisconnect FCC Commissioner Mike Copps writes an editorial for the Wash. Post http://tinyurl.com/ymuanq America's Internet Disconnect By Michael J. Copps Wednesday, November 8, 2006; Page A27 America's record in expanding broadband communication is so poor that it should be viewed as an outrage by every consumer and businessperson in the country. Too few of us have broadband connections, and those who do pay too much for service that is too slow. It's hurting our economy, and things are only going to get worse if we don't do something about it. The United States is 15th in the world in broadband penetration, according to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). When the ITU measured a broader "digital opportunity" index (considering price and other factors) we were 21st -- right after Estonia. Asian and European customers get home connections of 25 to 100 megabits per second (fast enough to stream high-definition video). Here, we pay almost twice as much for connections that are one-twentieth the speed. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Transtector Lightning Suppression
I have a few of them to use with my Trango 900s. A little pricey but they're built well. Leon Eric Rogers wrote: I don't know if anyone has looked into modular lightning suppression, but I have been talking with someone from Transtector. They make a 24V version for Motorola with Cat5 jacks, and they make a 48V version for Proxim/Cisco/Mikrotik/Whatever but they are screw terminals (for power only). He is looking to see if they can change the diodes on the 24V version to allow clamp at 60V for the power side, and 15V on the data side with Cat5 jacks. Here is what it looks like http://www.transtector.com/productdetail?item=1101-670. Since this is modular, I want to have the option to have Motorola, Mikrotik, and/or Alvarion on the tower. With this distribution panel, you can swap out the lightning suppression to what you are using 24V equipment or 48V Equipment. Any ideas? Anyone doing anything similar? Would anyone else be interested in getting some? I don't have any costs yet, but he will get back with me soon. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Yeah, we do the same, remove the internal batt and replace with 2 AGM 100 am batts. We bought a bunch of the DC block connectors that match the internal apc batt connector Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Tom, We remove the internal batteries completely. The only batteries connected are the large AGM type. We purchased 20 of them off ebay about 2 years ago. The batteries were $50 each, and shipping was $50 each. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: > Travis, > > Do any of these APC models, comes WITHOUT internal batteries, so you > don't have to worry about matching up the battery types, and just pick > your preferred external ones? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > >> Hi, >> >> Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). >> They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if >> the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but >> well worth it. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >>> How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I >>> don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is >>> pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep >>> cells in there? >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini wrote: >>> Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > external > battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now > and am > having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad > battery' > light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Tom DeReggi wrote: If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket! Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband As an insurance agent for the last 16 years in the state of PA(Besides running a WISP too for the last 5 years), I can tell You that there are some negatives to just "Not mentioning" the fact that it has a bucket on it. The first one is that when You sign the insurance application(This info. only applies to the state of PA where I am licensed, keep in mind the every state has different insurance laws, but almost ALL of them adopted the laws from the state of NY, as they were one of the first to actually clamp down and adopt them, and this is what PA uses), there is a paragraph that says all of the information You have submitted to the insurance CO is correct and You then sign underneath it. It is a great possibility that by "omitting" the fact that Your van had a bucket on it, the CO could deny Your claim based on the fact that You chose to omit the information about the bucket on purpose, as You knew this would stop You from securing coverage?. While I do understand that securing the proper insurance is becoming expensive, maybe even out of hand?, I do not want to see You or any other small CO lose everything buy trying to cut corners and get around something by being dishonest?. Almost all insurance have something called "Good faith" agreements in them. This Good Faith agreement is based on upon the fact that both You and the insurance CO have been up front and honest with each other about what coverages You are receiving from the CO and what type of risk the CO is actually insuring. They fulfill their half by giving You a policy that specificly states what they will and will not pay for, and You fulfill Your responsibility by filling out the application with all of Your information so that the insurance CO can decide what to charge You based upon the information You provided them. If You lie, or as the politicly correct term used is "Omit" some vital information that would stop the CO from issuing insurance, then the contract is broken by You right up front, and this fact alone could cause You some grave financial harm if You employee tears down some fiber and/or phone lines. Just some food for thought. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
On 11/15/06, Charles Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Matt, Yes, we can take care of everything The guys at Broadband Wireless Business did a nice writeup about this process a few years ago -- check out http://www.shorecliffcommunications.com/magazine/volume.asp?Vol=39&story=365 -Charles P.S. -- FCC fees have increased substantially recently, so the prices quoted in the article are a bit higher now So is it safe to say that one could get one of those $9k Dragon Wave links licensed and ready to go for $12.5 - $15k? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
God forbid the van kills someone in a traffic accident unrelated to the bucket all together. The Insurance Company could and probably would deny the claim due to a falsified application. If an insurance company can find a way out of a claim (especially a costly one) they will. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom DeReggi wrote: > If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket! > Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck! > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > As an insurance agent for the last 16 years in the state of PA(Besides running a WISP too for the last 5 years), I can tell You that there are some negatives to just "Not mentioning" the fact that it has a bucket on it. The first one is that when You sign the insurance application(This info. only applies to the state of PA where I am licensed, keep in mind the every state has different insurance laws, but almost ALL of them adopted the laws from the state of NY, as they were one of the first to actually clamp down and adopt them, and this is what PA uses), there is a paragraph that says all of the information You have submitted to the insurance CO is correct and You then sign underneath it. It is a great possibility that by "omitting" the fact that Your van had a bucket on it, the CO could deny Your claim based on the fact that You chose to omit the information about the bucket on purpose, as You knew this would stop You from securing coverage?. While I do understand that securing the proper insurance is becoming expensive, maybe even out of hand?, I do not want to see You or any other small CO lose everything buy trying to cut corners and get around something by being dishonest?. Almost all insurance have something called "Good faith" agreements in them. This Good Faith agreement is based on upon the fact that both You and the insurance CO have been up front and honest with each other about what coverages You are receiving from the CO and what type of risk the CO is actually insuring. They fulfill their half by giving You a policy that specificly states what they will and will not pay for, and You fulfill Your responsibility by filling out the application with all of Your information so that the insurance CO can decide what to charge You based upon the information You provided them. If You lie, or as the politicly correct term used is "Omit" some vital information that would stop the CO from issuing insurance, then the contract is broken by You right up front, and this fact alone could cause You some grave financial harm if You employee tears down some fiber and/or phone lines. Just some food for thought. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] star os/sr2----mikrotik/cm9
60mw, compaired to 400 If I remember. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:12 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] star os/sr2mikrotik/cm9 I replaced a star os/sr2 with a mikrotik/cm9 setup on an omni. I thought it would help my noise issues to get rid of the amped up sr2. It may have helped a little but now I have signal that I think it quite a bit less at the clients. What level of power is the cm9 at by default in a mikrotik and if I switch it to manual what could I push it to? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
You might have your agent try Progressive. Ours is listed as a ladder/bucket truck and they never said that was a problem. It's $2200/yr with collision and a million liability. Seems expensive to me but Florida insurance rates are just that way. - cw Dylan Bouterse wrote: I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work? Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 750feet FSO
I did and it was way back in 1996 or so. Used Lightpointe. It was an OC3 LED-based system. Tifton, GA. About 800 feet. Shot it from a Doctors Building to the Radiology Building to avoid right-of-way issues (we connected most other buildings with fiber). Worked great and as far as I know it still does. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 750feet FSO Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at ~750feet? A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably. Thanks. Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios On 11/15/06, Charles Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > Yes, we can take care of everything > > The guys at Broadband Wireless Business did a nice writeup about this > process a few years ago -- check out > > http://www.shorecliffcommunications.com/magazine/volume.asp?Vol=39&story=365 > > -Charles > > P.S. -- FCC fees have increased substantially recently, so the prices > quoted > in the article are a bit higher now > So is it safe to say that one could get one of those $9k Dragon Wave links licensed and ready to go for $12.5 - $15k? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
In NY I have to take the vehicle to the insurance company so they can verify ownership and vehicle net worth I would not be able to hide that the vehicle is a bucket truck We presently rent a bucket truck from unitef rental which includes insurance. 3000 per month Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:45:53 To:"'WISPA General List'" Subject: RE: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. God forbid the van kills someone in a traffic accident unrelated to the bucket all together. The Insurance Company could and probably would deny the claim due to a falsified application. If an insurance company can find a way out of a claim (especially a costly one) they will. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom DeReggi wrote: > If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket! > Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck! > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > As an insurance agent for the last 16 years in the state of PA(Besides running a WISP too for the last 5 years), I can tell You that there are some negatives to just "Not mentioning" the fact that it has a bucket on it. The first one is that when You sign the insurance application(This info. only applies to the state of PA where I am licensed, keep in mind the every state has different insurance laws, but almost ALL of them adopted the laws from the state of NY, as they were one of the first to actually clamp down and adopt them, and this is what PA uses), there is a paragraph that says all of the information You have submitted to the insurance CO is correct and You then sign underneath it. It is a great possibility that by "omitting" the fact that Your van had a bucket on it, the CO could deny Your claim based on the fact that You chose to omit the information about the bucket on purpose, as You knew this would stop You from securing coverage?. While I do understand that securing the proper insurance is becoming expensive, maybe even out of hand?, I do not want to see You or any other small CO lose everything buy trying to cut corners and get around something by being dishonest?. Almost all insurance have something called "Good faith" agreements in them. This Good Faith agreement is based on upon the fact that both You and the insurance CO have been up front and honest with each other about what coverages You are receiving from the CO and what type of risk the CO is actually insuring. They fulfill their half by giving You a policy that specificly states what they will and will not pay for, and You fulfill Your responsibility by filling out the application with all of Your information so that the insurance CO can decide what to charge You based upon the information You provided them. If You lie, or as the politicly correct term used is "Omit" some vital information that would stop the CO from issuing insurance, then the contract is broken by You right up front, and this fact alone could cause You some grave financial harm if You employee tears down some fiber and/or phone lines. Just some food for thought. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Oops too much coronas Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? > Gino, > Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? > > Brian > > > Travis Johnson wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the >> positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. >> >> We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries >> (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). >> We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). >> >> This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various >> locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >> >>> You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? >>> >>> Travis, >>> What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw >>> and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with >>> the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it > right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously > with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle > battery. Any ideas? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 750feet FSO
Have you spoken with Stephen Patrick at www.cablefreesolutions.com yet? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 750feet FSO Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at ~750feet? A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably. Thanks. Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] star os/sr2----mikrotik/cm9
The cm9 is rated for 17db The sr2 is rated for about 26db we are happy with the sr2, sr5 and sr9. all deployed and work well Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I replaced a star os/sr2 with a mikrotik/cm9 setup on an omni. I thought it would help my noise issues to get rid of the amped up sr2. It may have helped a little but now I have signal that I think it quite a bit less at the clients. What level of power is the cm9 at by default in a mikrotik and if I switch it to manual what could I push it to? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Lighting up hotels
I'm curious what other people are doing to light up hotels or building hotspots. We have been using CB3s as the APs and a routerboard for the router and backhaul. But I'm curious what kinds of setups other people have been using and what their luck has been. I don't need actual hotspot functionality, but I think it would be beneficial to offer 802.11g atleast from a 'marketing' perspective. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] star os/sr2----mikrotik/cm9
When I use sr2 my ack timing is all over the place, like 300 and the links are crap. I drop in a cm9 and all the ack's fall to 30's where they should be. This is all on MT. Brian Blair Davis wrote: The cm9 is rated for 17db The sr2 is rated for about 26db we are happy with the sr2, sr5 and sr9. all deployed and work well Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I replaced a star os/sr2 with a mikrotik/cm9 setup on an omni. I thought it would help my noise issues to get rid of the amped up sr2. It may have helped a little but now I have signal that I think it quite a bit less at the clients. What level of power is the cm9 at by default in a mikrotik and if I switch it to manual what could I push it to? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 750feet FSO
FSO is rock solid up to 500 meters or so, and very reliable in most cases up to a kilometer. If you need a vendor to help you with this, let me know. I know an excellent, very experienced person in this business. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 750feet FSO Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at ~750feet? A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably. Thanks. Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 750feet FSO
This is a neutral place so feel free to share the guy you know so we all know who it is. If you have a vested interest then just say so and we will all pummel you for being a spammer! :-) jkPlease do share who you know that can help. Thanks, Scriv Ken Chipps wrote: FSO is rock solid up to 500 meters or so, and very reliable in most cases up to a kilometer. If you need a vendor to help you with this, let me know. I know an excellent, very experienced person in this business. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 750feet FSO Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at ~750feet? A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably. Thanks. Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
