Those prices don't make me happy either. I have not heard an official
anything yet from the wispa calea group. I don't believe they are done
with their activities.
It would be good to hear what they have to say concerning methods of
compliance and costs.
I read a doc that said a 15k isp
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gizmodo-exclusive/exclusive-pics-of-the-vudu-+-video-store-in-a-box-256044.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/business/yourmoney/29vudu.html?ref=technology
The system, according to interviews and those patent applications, will
operate like a traditional
actually the prices are the least of my worry regarding calea.
i am more worried about some untrusted device on my network.
assuming i would have to give root on the at least tap device
to the trusted third party. i've been told by some TTPs i would
need to provide credentials for every device
Travis, I think you've misunderstood me.
I'm not saying you don't have a good company. Clearly you do. I also think
you're a bright guy.
There are likely two reasons for the size difference in out companies. The
biggest would be market size. My whole COUNTY has 10,000 people in it.
We have less than 300 students in our school system here Rick. Our WHOLE
school system! k-12
Fortunately, I've got 6000 square miles of coverage :-).
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, April 28,
I prefer certified gear. Pre built and ready to install.
Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC took a wisp to task for
using non certified configurations?
Hell, I've spent TWO YEARS trying to get an operator running over the eirp
limits (way over) dealt with and still no
We've got a long way to go yet.
But here are a few things so far.
You don't NEED a safe harbor. You don't HAVE to follow anyone's industry
standard to be compliant.
You don't need a TTP.
What you DO have to do is collect specific data. How you do so is up to
you.
You do have to do it
Doesn't work that way Ed. YOU have to provide the data to LEA. They don't
get to go in and take it.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Edward H. Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's
Marlon,
Your comment that I was short sighted because I don't turn potential
customers over to my competition really hit a nerve. Sure we have made
some mistakes along the way, but being called short sighted because I
don't share networks and customers with competition is asinine.
You talk
*nods* their minimum is 5k cards and I'm looking to go smaller than that.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007
It's called roaming. It happens with everyone but Nextel.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject:
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page
We've got a long way to go yet.
No, we have 3 weeks.
But here are a few things so far.
Roaming is not the same as sending the Client Account to the other company.
On 4/29/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's called roaming. It happens with everyone but Nextel.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather than
paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded concern.
Certification as a matter of law is not unfounded concern, it is fact
and therefore paranoia is not a just description of the pressures we see
being
Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of
email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I
think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I
am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I
Marlon,
i understand the mechanics of it completely.
the provider or the TTP have to provide the information within 8 seconds
of real time to the LEA via a mediation device.
every trusted third party i have talked with so far wants access on at
least the intercept device.
Ed
On Sun, 29 Apr
Marlon,
Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using
uncertified gear? I doubt that you actually believe this.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I prefer certified gear. Pre built and ready to install.
Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC
Roaming would be more closely compared with peering than wholesaling.
The cell companies trade minutes back and forth each month, they don't
sell off the customer.
Travis
Microserv
Mike Hammett wrote:
It's called roaming. It happens with everyone but Nextel.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent
Roaming is the exact same thing as Marlon does, which is what we're talking
about. You collect the revenues from the user, but the user is on someone
else's equipment. You pay the other network for the use of it.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Don't get me wrong, I'm not avoiding a certified system. However, it is
just one of the many factors that go in to choosing a system. The cards I
am using are certified with the antennas I use (to the best of my knowledge,
waiting for the FCC to come back up).
I will have my Mikrotik
I joined this list last week and already consider leaving due to the drama.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject:
It's called prioritization, we all do it. Going after ma and pa wisp isn't
very high on their list of things to do. With as rare as they bust a rogue
vendor or manufacturer, how often do you think they go after someone
intentionally using grossly overpowered gear, much less certified
One thing I should point out is the postage costs. If you go to your
local chamber of commerce and get their bulk mail permit number you can
pay bulk rate at the post office. They typically let all the local
businesses use it no charge.
Now if you compare the difference in postage price
Mike,
There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at fault.
This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than anything.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Mike Hammett wrote:
It's called prioritization, we all do it. Going after ma and pa wisp
isn't very high on their list
I used to give dominos pizza a few hundread flyers at a time for satellite
tv specials and they would stick em on the boxes for free. Best marketing I
have ever done. When I finally saturated that parish where I was that was
the end of that. Joe
Superior Wireless
New Orleans,La.
www.superior1.com
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Mike,
There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at fault.
This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than anything.
Dawn, we got to where we are today because of the independent thinking
tech who rolled his own systems.
I very much
I wish I had 30. ;-)
11 paying customers here.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]
I just hit next when it's thread that is tiresome.
Maybe a posting limit for nonmembers :)
Overall, if the dialogue is kept civil there should be no issues.
Ranting is old though.
John Scrivner wrote:
Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of
email we
Yeah, but you have all kinds of things going on. I see you on all the
various lists looking for everything from fiber paths to long distance..
Heck, one of these days, I may even buy something from you.
George
Mike Hammett wrote:
I wish I had 30. ;-)
11 paying customers here.
-
Mike
I will admit that I have a lot of potential, but potential doesn't mean
dollars now. More than once I've looked at finding a part time job (again)
so I have some money to invest in my operations.
I need more equipment.
I need more marketing.
I need developers.
I have no or little money to pay
George,
I am not painting a bad picture of anyone. I just think that if you are
going to be a part of this industry then you need to play by the rules
no matter how much you dislike it. Yes, there was innovation by breaking
the rules in the beginning but that was before there was an industry.
So are you telling us you are exempt, then? The justificatiom is that you
are small- a Ma and Pa? Mikrotik certification is already sorted out.
They are not approved. Look for the label on the end product. If you
made it yourself, it ain't certified!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not avoiding a
Same can be said of Insurance, since really that's what it is.
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
don't forget, you can't charge LEA for the TTP's services. You may pay that
TTP for years and they never do a single thing for you.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have contacted my representatives to express my support for Rep. Stupak's
efforts.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007
Yes, the rules have changed. They are more lax than they were in the past.
As I said, I have a path to compliance. There was, is, and will continue to
be innovation in this industry. If not, we're all dead.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
-
I am not exempt from anything, but my 11 customers and I can certainly fly
under the radar using gear isn't harming anyone until I have completed my
Mikrotik compliance efforts.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From:
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
There are many other ways for law enforcement to get what it needs. Even
better would be a REAL law, written properly, and funded properly by
Congress, instead of this absurdity about information services and
telecommuncations services. You know, of course, that this
Mike,
If you think you are under the radar you are sorely mistaken. You
admitted on a public list that gear you use is not certified.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Mike Hammett wrote:
I am not exempt from anything, but my 11 customers and I can certainly
fly under the radar using gear isn't
On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 14:07 -0500, John Scrivner wrote:
Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of
email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I
think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I
am thinking we
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Mike,
If you think you are under the radar you are sorely mistaken. You
admitted on a public list that gear you use is not certified.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Yeah, but your over the limit! :)
I just want to know why the feds don't just drive on over to Teletronics
in
Except in Marlon's case that user will NEVER be on your own network.
Roaming is the exception not the norm with cell companies.
Personally I think a better solution (if you absolutely don't want to
just put up your own towers) is to just refer the customer to the other
provider and hope they
Sure they are.
I have an Inland Cellular account. A small local company. Guess where it
works. Anywhere Verizon and 3 or 4 others have networks!
Guess what, you can have a Verison account and it works here. Even if you
don't have a clue who Inland Cellular is.
What's wrong with one of
- Original Message -
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page telecom services
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
There are many other ways for law enforcement to get what it
- Original Message -
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General
Not so. Not always. In fact, not usually from what we've been told. They
(lea) won't often have the ability to TAKE the data as fast as we can shove
it out to the customer.
With a PHONE call, that's likely the case. But unless you do VOIP, as in
own the switch, the voip company will have
Unfortunately, their ACTIONS bear this out Dawn.
As I said, when's the last time you heard of anyone getting in trouble for
using the wrong antenna? Hell, people don't even get in trouble for using
the wrong AMPS!!! And they made the amp rules stronger a couple of years
ago.
marlon
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Mike,
This is a great list. There's always drama when there are people
involved.
The private list is much better. Join wispa and take advantage of that.
As for what's happening here, it happens from time to time. Usually dies
off or we squish it once it's gone on till there's absolutely
Cool! That's more than I stared with!
We'll hit 425 by the end of the year. More than that if the growth doesn't
slow down a little.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:41 PM
With 11 customers I HIGHLY suggest you get a part time job. Something
flexible if you can.
Taking that financial stress off will help you do a much better job.
I drove tractor, did consulting, speaking, equipment sales, wrote articles
etc. Whatever I could to make extra money. If I'd not
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page
- Original Message -
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
Really? um, exactly WHO do you call when your upstream goes down?
As ours did with a major fiber cut a couple of weeks ago?
We're ALREADY, ALWAYS dependant on others.
Teamwork!
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
Marlon, I just joined this list and agree with your
recommendations to supplment with a part time job.
Prior to my current position, I worked at a winery on
swing shift from 4 pm to 12 midnite and did my
consulting work in the day time. Whew. And later I
got hired by a big company in fixed
I'm calling Qwest, ATT or Level3. Places that have senior level BGP
techs on staff 24x7. With a full SLA in place for outages. Not some
guys cell phone.
Travis
Microserv
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Really? um, exactly WHO do you call when your upstream goes down?
As ours did with a major
See comment inline, near end of post.
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
- Original Message -
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Mike,
If
- Original Message -
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General
Welcome Felix!
Sounds like you've been around the block a time or two. Very cool.
Did you know that there is an associate WISPA membership level? It allows
you to be involved, sit on the board etc. I hope you'll be more involved
here.
I think that many of the issues that affect us are
Oh brother. Now you're just being obstinate Travis.
I honestly thought you were smart enough to substitute the appropriate level
technician for some guys on cell phone.
What you just said is that most (all) of your peers, including your OWN
techs, aren't as smart or as capable of
Jack - I would be interested in motivating the
manufacturers. I work for a large manufacturer but
plan to go to a smaller company becase I like working
in focused delta team environment. But I can see how
working with manufacturers can be helpful. Can you
provide additional thoughts.
Marlon -
Mark,
Certification verifies that the signals conducted into the power line
and the signals radiated into the air from a wireless system are clean
and that they do not exceed the power limits. Minimizing self
interference is primarily a function of good network design techniques.
This is
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page
- Original Message -
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General
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