Re: [WISPA] speed test
Bob - your using time warners bandwidth - simply use theirs - your ip ranges are theirs anyhow - best results - as I have found :-) On Sep 12, 2010, at 11:03 PM, Robert West wrote: I use Speedtest.Net for my own tests to verify my CPE settings. Yeah, sometimes it sucks but I have to change to a better server normally and I tell the customer the same thing. Right now we are defaulted to some B.S. speed test server with a 73ms ping time! WTF!73MS???!!! Flippin’ stupid! Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] speed test OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com* wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orghttp://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Yep,set burst at cpe,works very nice! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:24:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Dave,I'm fairly sure moto let's you set the burst on the sm,same place you set the ul/dl speeds. Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: David Williamson dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:35:23 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Mikrotik routers would handle all of this. If I'd done it, I'd tell you how. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 3:24 AM, RickG wrote: Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, RickG /rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net http://speedtest.net/ and dslreports.com http://dslreports.com/ - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Its worse then that here. Were 6ms off the local speedtest server. And it still gives us crap. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Ironton! For me Ironton SUCKS! Ping 108ms!!! Why in the hell are they defaulting g you to arm pit Ironton? Been there that place sucks! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test My fiver is through TW. They insist I use the Ironton server which, IMO always provides an accurate result. The issue is these people dont believe it and want to see their speed results elsewhere :( On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe. On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WaveRider LMS 3000
An elevated noise floor will push your avg rssi levels up basically making your acceptable EUM signal levels higher than usual. A typical EUM under perfect conditions can have link up to -89, but with an elevated noise floor the acceptable signal level becomes higher and higher. You'll need to run a spectrum analysis at the CCU to see what noise floor you get. A good way to test is with the file get and file put commands either from the EUM or CCU. This performs a bandwidth test between radios. My experience is that with a unacceptable connection the upload will be really slow or non existent. By the way, I have an excess inventory of these radios that I'm looking to sell real cheap. Contact me off list if you're interested. Jon On 9/12/2010 12:53 AM, Chris Hudson wrote: In the eum (client) use 'ra li' and make sure you see at least 6 for signal strength and 3 for quality. Waveriders are polling protocol and high latency is normal unless you keep the data connection active. Chris Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: That is from the CCU side. In all of our testing we are seeing high ping spikes. Is there any other commands than air that you would recommend for trouble shooting and if there are do you mind explaining them? Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:35 PM, my_em...@webjogger.net my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I think a lot depends on what the signal strength is on the CCU (AU) side. I several links that from the EUM (SU) are worse than -85, but at the CCU they are better than -78. Mind you these links aren't supper fast though, especially on the upload. It's okay if they're a lower usage customer. Jon On 9/10/2010 6:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Does anyone use this equipment or have experience in using this equipment? With Canopy/UBNT/MikroTik we have pretty much set the standard for QoS reasons that the signal should not be worse than -75. I have seen another WISP using this older WaveRider gear, and most of his clients are at -80 to -95. Are signals using this equipment that usable at those rates? Can anyone shed some light on this really old gear? Any information is appreciated... Regards, Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
You need a router or bandwidth shaper that limits the burst rate independently of the SM. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Sep 13, 2010, at 1:25 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.comrobert.w...@just-micro.commailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On Sun, 9/12/10, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.comrgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.comrgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to http://speedtest.net/ speedtest.nethttp://speedtest.net and http://dslreports.com/ dslreports.comhttp://dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
All you need to do is cap the max data rate. Let the sm handle bursting. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:32 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I didnt catch that part from Bob but thats what I'm thinking. So, I'll add bursting to my RB1000. But not sure what config allows bursting for all customers. BTW: I did add bursting (in bytes transferred) to the complaining customers UBNT and he says it is fixed! On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Jerry Richardson mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.comjrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: You need a router or bandwidth shaper that limits the burst rate independently of the SM. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Sep 13, 2010, at 1:25 AM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.comrgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.commailto:robert.w...@just-micro.comrobert.w...@just-micro.commailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On Sun, 9/12/10, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.comrgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.comrgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to http://speedtest.net/ http://speedtest.net speedtest.nethttp://speedtest.net and http://dslreports.com/ http://dslreports.com dslreports.comhttp://dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today!
[WISPA] Taking the plunge
All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
What kind of bandwidth are you pushing through the ap now? On Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
At peak times I am running about 4-6M 95th percentile on this one AP. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge What kind of bandwidth are you pushing through the ap now? On Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Can you go to a bigger channel size? Are the CPE's running any form of QoS? On 09/13/2010 01:43 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: *At peak times I am running about 4-6M 95^th percentile on this one AP. * * * *Steve Barnes * RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 1:34 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge What kind of bandwidth are you pushing through the ap now? On Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com mailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Or have you tried different channels? Is it a newer radio in the MT so you can do a spectrum analysis? I would expect up to 15 megs aggregate out of a 10Mhz 802.11a AP and if you are at 1/3 of that then bandwidth isn't an issue. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Can you go to a bigger channel size? Are the CPE's running any form of QoS? On 09/13/2010 01:43 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: At peak times I am running about 4-6M 95th percentile on this one AP. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge What kind of bandwidth are you pushing through the ap now? On Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I guess I didn't make myself clear. They are not concerned about slow speeds of downloads more of a matter that there is 60 clients hitting an AP with no TDMA or any kind of timing and they start griping about their VOIP. I was always told that on a 20 mhz 802.11b/g network that you were best to stay under 40 clients. On a 10 Mhz 802.11g not to go much over 60 Clients. I see that the Airmax with the TDMA will handle a higher density of clients per AP. Is my thinking wrong on these numbers? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Or have you tried different channels? Is it a newer radio in the MT so you can do a spectrum analysis? I would expect up to 15 megs aggregate out of a 10Mhz 802.11a AP and if you are at 1/3 of that then bandwidth isn't an issue. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Can you go to a bigger channel size? Are the CPE's running any form of QoS? On 09/13/2010 01:43 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: At peak times I am running about 4-6M 95th percentile on this one AP. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge What kind of bandwidth are you pushing through the ap now? On Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or will the UBNT wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels within hearing distance? On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Cheapest depends on location. I have seen Cogent in the sub $1 per meg in places. I have seen Hurricane Electric meet or beat cogent pricing in other markets. I have seen level3 beat cogent pricing in certain markets. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:54:03 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis So who is the cheapest these days? Cogent is $600/mth for 100/100. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com http://www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com http://www.wifimidwest.com On 9/10/2010 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I believe i saw an article a few months ago that said Cogent was now settlement free. Not sure how accurate that was, though. The thing is, though, Cogent isn't even the cheapest you can get in major metros anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 11:56 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis Cogent is the Family Dollar/Dollar General/$1 store of bandwidth providers. It¹s cheap, they have a decent network and have quite a number of servers on Cogent bandwidth. This means a good deal of web traffic is headed toward cogent without much return. The Big players tolerate this because the last time they tried de-peering it took out half the internet (not really but caused some waves). I remember this because I had 400 web-sites on some cogent servers. All of a sudden a good majority of my customers at the time could not get to their own web-sites. It¹s a pretty decent business plan actually. Offer cheap bandwidth for servers, get a bunch of sites hosted on that bandwidth, and the Internet finds you. From that point on the Tier 1 and others are almost forced to peer with you. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com Reply-To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:01:48 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said complaints about slowdowns. I would say TDMA would be the best bet to solve this problem cost effectively. If you half the channel size, half the number of clients. Not the other way around. Can the UBNT co-exist Contract issues says he can only replace the radio, not add more equipment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, John Vogel jvo...@vogent.net wrote: Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or will the UBNT wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels within hearing distance? On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
We enabled WMM on our Mikrotik's and then just added a Mangle rule to ensure the DSCP was marked correctly, this solved VoIP issues for our users. On 09/13/2010 02:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said complaints about slowdowns. I would say TDMA would be the best bet to solve this problem cost effectively. If you half the channel size, half the number of clients. Not the other way around. Can the UBNT co-exist Contract issues says he can only replace the radio, not add more equipment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, John Vogeljvo...@vogent.net wrote: Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or will the UBNT wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels within hearing distance? On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I think Airmax is a transport protocol, like 802.11a/b/g/n. The way I understand it, to do 802.11n (or Airmax MIMO) you need two streams. If it catches only one stream, it falls back to a/g. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE¹s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Steve, All of our 2.4 are Mikrotik and we're pretty happy with that but as you say past 50 it starts to get pretty ugly. We added an M2 and put some dual polarity CPE out there, they worked great with it. We turned Airmax off because we had a non-M2 UBNT radio that we wanted to connect, it took some work but by mounting it vertically but selecting horizontal it worked, on vertical it would connect but not pass traffic. We haven't tried non-ubnt equipment like Engeinus yet but our assumption is we would actually mount the antenna horizontal and have the same result. The optimal answer is to mount it right above your Mikrotik, pick a good separation frequency then move all your M2/M5 stuff over to it first for Airmax then make all your new installs with Airmax to it. We've done this in transitioning towers over, now our UBNT M5 has more people on it than the original Mikrotik which has a comfortable 35 non-M subscribers. Again, remember to turn on Firewall rules, consider bandwidth shaping and put in rules for icmp and block 255.255.255.255 then it will give much of the same protections that you are used to on Mikrotik. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/13/2010 11:30 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Glenn, My concern is I already have 58 clients on a MT AP. I need Double that. Your saying you don't see more than 50 working right. Please explain. UBNT says 300 Clients per AP no problem. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.netx-msg://84/j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.comx-msg://84/st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgx-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgx-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgx-msg://84/wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgx-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgx-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
If your mixing non airmax with airmax - about 50 is the max if not - then seems much better - just run airmax :-) hope that helps On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Glenn, My concern is I already have 58 clients on a MT AP. I need Double that. Your saying you don’t see more than 50 working right. Please explain. UBNT says 300 Clients per AP no problem. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
In my experience Tranzeo and UBNT don't play nice together. If you don't mind switching out your tranzeo CPE's with UBNT gear you'll be fine. Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down
Brett, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Mikrotik programming so I wanted to ask you this. Last week and further back about four times a week we had a cascading crash of our bridged network whereas the LAN side of the Mikrotik Backhauls would crash presumably from traffic. Wireshark showed some anomalies such as IPv6 traffic, some ICMP sneaking through the filters, a random STP Cisco and some TCP flooding but really nothing that should take down so many radios, a simple reboot fixed the problem and it didn't happen again for a day to several days later. Friday we changed out three Mikrotik backhauls and AP's with Ubiquity gear and upgraded our Bandwidth manager enhancing its rules as well. Today we're having the same attack as before but now it's not taking down the system, Our bandwidth monitor is pegged on incoming traffic and outgoing traffic at 176% of normal (we normally peak at 99% download 30% up) but no radio's are going down, our system latency at the affected tower is 300ms and we're getting intermittent down alarms. Its great because we have the first chance to go customer by customer trying to find the source but I guess I'm asking if you have any ideas how to find or filter this problem? We think the source is comin Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down
On your ubnt equipment - did you enable stp ? using a syslog -? might show a good amount of info if so On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Brett, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Mikrotik programming so I wanted to ask you this. Last week and further back about four times a week we had a cascading crash of our bridged network whereas the LAN side of the Mikrotik Backhauls would crash presumably from traffic. Wireshark showed some anomalies such as IPv6 traffic, some ICMP sneaking through the filters, a random STP Cisco and some TCP flooding but really nothing that should take down so many radios, a simple reboot fixed the problem and it didn't happen again for a day to several days later. Friday we changed out three Mikrotik backhauls and AP's with Ubiquity gear and upgraded our Bandwidth manager enhancing its rules as well. Today we're having the same attack as before but now it's not taking down the system, Our bandwidth monitor is pegged on incoming traffic and outgoing traffic at 176% of normal (we normally peak at 99% download 30% up) but no radio's are going down, our system latency at the affected tower is 300ms and we're getting intermittent down alarms. Its great because we have the first chance to go customer by customer trying to find the source but I guess I'm asking if you have any ideas how to find or filter this problem? We think the source is comin Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I think UBNT means 300 per cell or per 3 radios. So, only 100 per ap radio. t Glenn, My concern is I already have 58 clients on a MT AP. I need Double that. Your saying you dont see more than 50 working right. Please explain. UBNT says 300 Clients per AP no problem. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/; RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/; From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPEs are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/; WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
More than 50 per any AP and you're running out of bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 2:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net x-msg://84/j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support *From: *Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com x-msg://84/st...@pcswin.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org x-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org x-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? *Steve Barnes *General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org x-msg://84/wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes *RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org x-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org x-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
And I think that's a very optimistic number even at that... but time will tell. Travis Microserv On 9/13/2010 1:53 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote: I think UBNT means 300 per cell or per 3 radios. So, only 100 per ap radio. t Glenn, My concern is I already have 58 clients on a MT AP. I need Double that. Your saying you don't see more than 50 working right. Please explain. UBNT says 300 Clients per AP no problem. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ http://www.pcswin.com/%3E; RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ http://www.rcwifi.com/%3E; From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ http://www.rcwifi.com/%3E; WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Mike explain. Doesn't that depend on your over subscription and queues. We use MT control queues and sell a 1024 X 256 and 2048 X 51 service off this tower. I feed it with a 20Mb Link. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge More than 50 per any AP and you're running out of bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 2:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.netx-msg://84/j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.comx-msg://84/st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgx-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgx-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgx-msg://84/wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgx-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgx-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Try the Fort Myers, FL site. I host that server here in our facility. ---Chris On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Nick Olsen wrote: Its worse then that here. Were 6ms off the local speedtest server. And it still gives us crap. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Ironton! For me Ironton SUCKS! Ping 108ms!!! Why in the hell are they defaulting g you to arm pit Ironton? Been there…….. that place sucks! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test My fiver is through TW. They insist I use the Ironton server which, IMO always provides an accurate result. The issue is these people dont believe it and want to see their speed results elsewhere :( On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe. On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Well, it is dependent on what you sell, but I believe we should be selling bigger and bigger packages and to future-proof ourselves from the oncoming video surge. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 3:01 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Mike explain. Doesn't that depend on your over subscription and queues. We use MT control queues and sell a 1024 X 256 and 2048 X 51 service off this tower. I feed it with a 20Mb Link. *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 3:45 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge More than 50 per any AP and you're running out of bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 2:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net x-msg://84/j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com x-msg://84/st...@pcswin.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org x-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org x-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? *Steve Barnes *General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org x-msg://84/wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes *RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org x-msg://84/wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 12:30 -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: Brett, Not sure who Brett is, but... Wireshark showed some anomalies such as IPv6 traffic There is more IPV6 traffic on the network than most people realize. I've got captures from about 40 networks dating back to about a year and a half ago that nearly ALL have IPv6 traffic (tunneled over v4 of course). Friday we changed out three Mikrotik backhauls and AP's with Ubiquity gear and upgraded our Bandwidth manager enhancing its rules as well. Today we're having the same attack as before but now it's not taking down the system, Our bandwidth monitor is pegged on incoming traffic and outgoing traffic at 176% of normal (we normally peak at 99% download 30% up) but no radio's are going down, our system latency at the affected tower is 300ms and we're getting intermittent down alarms. Its great because we have the first chance to go customer by customer trying to find the source but I guess I'm asking if you have any ideas how to find or filter this problem? We think the source is comin Not sure what the rest of this sentence was going to be, but I may be able to offer some quickie checks to do. 1. Run torch on the interface(s) in question 2. Sort by source or destination IP (depending on which one is your customer IP range). 3. Look for patterns such as: a. one IP making many connections to the same IP on different ports (port scanner) b. one IP making many connections to many IPs on the same port (virus) c. one IP making many connections to many IPs on different ports (likely to be a torrent or other P2P) 4. If you don't see any of the above patterns, sort by bandwidth (tx then rx rates) and look to see if it is just one user consuming an inordinate amount of bandwidth This should give you a starting point anyway. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down
We inherited a bridged network (bridged EoIP tunnels over routing w/OSPF) that had similar problems. It turned out to be caused by Belkin (and similar) routers that resend packets they don't think they should have received (or don't know what to do with) back out their WAN interface. If you have two of these routers on the same ethernet segment...boom. It loops until one of your backhauls fails and breaks the cycle. The reason I think this is similar to your case is that maybe the Ubiquiti backhauls you installed have a lower PPS capability, and in a way are protecting your router from the onslaught. One way to test this theory is to set the horizon to the same value on all of your bridge ports facing customers at all of your aggregation points. This will prevent the bridge from forwarding traffic between customers. It worked for us while trying to isolate the problem because each tower has it's own EoIP tunnel terminating on a central router. So, we could control what gets forwarded where in one location. If your network is bridged from core to edge, then this would be harder (not impossible) to implement. If you do this, though, customers on the same IP subnet won't be able to reach each other. Regards, -Kristian On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 12:30 -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: Brett, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Mikrotik programming so I wanted to ask you this. Last week and further back about four times a week we had a cascading crash of our bridged network whereas the LAN side of the Mikrotik Backhauls would crash presumably from traffic. Wireshark showed some anomalies such as IPv6 traffic, some ICMP sneaking through the filters, a random STP Cisco and some TCP flooding but really nothing that should take down so many radios, a simple reboot fixed the problem and it didn't happen again for a day to several days later. Friday we changed out three Mikrotik backhauls and AP's with Ubiquity gear and upgraded our Bandwidth manager enhancing its rules as well. Today we're having the same attack as before but now it's not taking down the system, Our bandwidth monitor is pegged on incoming traffic and outgoing traffic at 176% of normal (we normally peak at 99% download 30% up) but no radio's are going down, our system latency at the affected tower is 300ms and we're getting intermittent down alarms. Its great because we have the first chance to go customer by customer trying to find the source but I guess I'm asking if you have any ideas how to find or filter this problem? We think the source is comin Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Agreed. Here where I am at 3 Meg is the lower end. People are used to having more and more bandwidth. Most of my customers are in the 6-8 Meg range with some wanting 10-15. It doesn't matter that they really don't need more that probably 4. That is what the customer wants so I guess that is what drives us forward. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Well, it is dependent on what you sell, but I believe we should be selling bigger and bigger packages and to future-proof ourselves from the oncoming video surge. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 3:01 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Mike explain. Doesn’t that depend on your over subscription and queues. We use MT control queues and sell a 1024 X 256 and 2048 X 51 service off this tower. I feed it with a 20Mb Link. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge More than 50 per any AP and you're running out of bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 2:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I have 50 to 70 clients on a b MT AP and it handles it fine. I've even heard of over 100 on a only-g MT AP. Chris - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge I guess I didn't make myself clear. They are not concerned about slow speeds of downloads more of a matter that there is 60 clients hitting an AP with no TDMA or any kind of timing and they start griping about their VOIP. I was always told that on a 20 mhz 802.11b/g network that you were best to stay under 40 clients. On a 10 Mhz 802.11g not to go much over 60 Clients. I see that the Airmax with the TDMA will handle a higher density of clients per AP. Is my thinking wrong on these numbers? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Or have you tried different channels? Is it a newer radio in the MT so you can do a spectrum analysis? I would expect up to 15 megs aggregate out of a 10Mhz 802.11a AP and if you are at 1/3 of that then bandwidth isn't an issue. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Can you go to a bigger channel size? Are the CPE's running any form of QoS? On 09/13/2010 01:43 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: At peak times I am running about 4-6M 95th percentile on this one AP. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge What kind of bandwidth are you pushing through the ap now? On Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template
How long does it typically take for these to show up when submitted? I put one in this morning (and didn't bother to record the confirmation number), but don't see it there yet. Randy On 9/13/2010 3:12 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: *UPDATE: WISP Filing updates are beginning to show up in the FCC database. Good job and thank you to those who have filed. Go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment_search/input?z=vd7pb and search for 04-186 to read other WISP comments. More importantly, get your comments filed pronto. The deadline is September 16, 2010. We need a good showing from the WISP industry to substantiate the importance of our industry in the decision making process. This is not about WISPA, it is about your future and the WISP industry.* All WISPs, This week, WISPA filed comments on the TV Whitespaces once again. The FCC is set to make decisions on this crucial topic very soon. It is imperative for all operators to take a few minutes and file individual comments to the FCC about Unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces spectrum this week. Please don't procrastinate as the timeline is fairly short. I have attached a template support letter that Jack Unger has written to make your support and comment filing easier. Jack, Steve Coran and the FCC committee has worked hard for several years and especially in our recent filing. We need to support their hard work efforts and produce a mass support campaign to give the WISPA filing even more credibility. WISPs need more spectrum and we need spectrum that will penetrate foliage and other obstacles. This is our opportunity and essentially our obligation to stand up for our needs before this crucial decision is made. The WISPA filing can be read at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589. Please customize the attached template letter with your company information and if you want to add additional local flavor, it is accepted. The FCC staff will read each letter and register the support for the WISPA filing to assist them in making this tough decision. We have received excellent comments back from the FCC, other trade associations and manufacturers about this filing and now our membership and industry participants need to stand up and be counted as well. Once you have customized the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc file and upload it at the following website. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc. If you choose not to use the WISPA template letter but want to write your own comments, you can either follow the previous procedure or use the Express filing method at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd. The proceeding number is 04-186. I cannot stress how important this is for each WISP company to do. I hope to search the filings Monday morning and find 1000 or more new comments supporting the WISPA filing. Take the time and git r dun before your busy work schedule begins again Monday morning. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] Re: [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:rharn...@wispa.org] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 5:32 PM To: 'motor...@afmug.com' Subject: RE: [Motorola II] Re: [WISPA] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template Usually 12-24 hours not counting weekends. I'm sure the FCC wants to preview all comments before they make them public to keep spammers out. I look forward to reading your comments Randy. Thank you, Rick From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 5:26 PM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [Motorola II] Re: [WISPA] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template How long does it typically take for these to show up when submitted? I put one in this morning (and didn't bother to record the confirmation number), but don't see it there yet. Randy On 9/13/2010 3:12 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: UPDATE: WISP Filing updates are beginning to show up in the FCC database. Good job and thank you to those who have filed. Go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment_search/input?z=vd7pb and search for 04-186 to read other WISP comments. More importantly, get your comments filed pronto. The deadline is September 16, 2010. We need a good showing from the WISP industry to substantiate the importance of our industry in the decision making process. This is not about WISPA, it is about your future and the WISP industry. All WISPs, This week, WISPA filed comments on the TV Whitespaces once again. The FCC is set to make decisions on this crucial topic very soon. It is imperative for all operators to take a few minutes and file individual comments to the FCC about Unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces spectrum this week. Please don't procrastinate as the timeline is fairly short. I have attached a template support letter that Jack Unger has written to make your support and comment filing easier. Jack, Steve Coran and the FCC committee has worked hard for several years and especially in our recent filing. We need to support their hard work efforts and produce a mass support campaign to give the WISPA filing even more credibility. WISPs need more spectrum and we need spectrum that will penetrate foliage and other obstacles. This is our opportunity and essentially our obligation to stand up for our needs before this crucial decision is made. The WISPA filing can be read at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589 http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589. Please customize the attached template letter with your company information and if you want to add additional local flavor, it is accepted. The FCC staff will read each letter and register the support for the WISPA filing to assist them in making this tough decision. We have received excellent comments back from the FCC, other trade associations and manufacturers about this filing and now our membership and industry participants need to stand up and be counted as well. Once you have customized the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc file and upload it at the following website. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc. If you choose not to use the WISPA template letter but want to write your own comments, you can either follow the previous procedure or use the Express filing method at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd. The proceeding number is 04-186. I cannot stress how important this is for each WISP company to do. I hope to search the filings Monday morning and find 1000 or more new comments supporting the WISPA filing. Take the time and git r dun before your busy work schedule begins again Monday morning. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] RE: [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:rharn...@wispa.org] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 5:53 PM To: 'motor...@afmug.com' Subject: RE: [Motorola II] RE: [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template Adam, Steve Coran said we should use Ex Parte for the filing type. You do not need a filing number. However, use proceeding 04-186 and 02-380 for the proceeding numbers. Thanks, Rick From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Brodel Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 5:48 PM To: motor...@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [Motorola II] RE: [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template I assume the type of filing is COMMENT. Do we need a filing number? Adam From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:13 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template Importance: High UPDATE: WISP Filing updates are beginning to show up in the FCC database. Good job and thank you to those who have filed. Go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment_search/input?z=vd7pb and search for 04-186 to read other WISP comments. More importantly, get your comments filed pronto. The deadline is September 16, 2010. We need a good showing from the WISP industry to substantiate the importance of our industry in the decision making process. This is not about WISPA, it is about your future and the WISP industry. All WISPs, This week, WISPA filed comments on the TV Whitespaces once again. The FCC is set to make decisions on this crucial topic very soon. It is imperative for all operators to take a few minutes and file individual comments to the FCC about Unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces spectrum this week. Please don't procrastinate as the timeline is fairly short. I have attached a template support letter that Jack Unger has written to make your support and comment filing easier. Jack, Steve Coran and the FCC committee has worked hard for several years and especially in our recent filing. We need to support their hard work efforts and produce a mass support campaign to give the WISPA filing even more credibility. WISPs need more spectrum and we need spectrum that will penetrate foliage and other obstacles. This is our opportunity and essentially our obligation to stand up for our needs before this crucial decision is made. The WISPA filing can be read at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589 http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589. Please customize the attached template letter with your company information and if you want to add additional local flavor, it is accepted. The FCC staff will read each letter and register the support for the WISPA filing to assist them in making this tough decision. We have received excellent comments back from the FCC, other trade associations and manufacturers about this filing and now our membership and industry participants need to stand up and be counted as well. Once you have customized the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc file and upload it at the following website. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc. If you choose not to use the WISPA template letter but want to write your own comments, you can either follow the previous procedure or use the Express filing method at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd. The proceeding number is 04-186. I cannot stress how important this is for each WISP company to do. I hope to search the filings Monday morning and find 1000 or more new comments supporting the WISPA filing. Take the time and git r dun before your busy work schedule begins again Monday morning. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trees under half mile
Hi All, I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11 miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the tops/sides of trees. Fortunately I'm still able to pull off signals in the -62 to -80 RX range, using a NBM2 or NSM2 for CPE and Rocket M2 for AP. My RX signals at the AP are -69 to -84. I have the possibility to put repeater APs on a radio station tower that is about 2 blocks from the middle of town - approximately 50' off the ground. From this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. Noise levels vary, but there is DSL in town, so a lot of people have wireless APs in-house. My worst noise level on a customer is -83, but they're using a NSM2 instead of NBM2. The customers with NBM2 are typically -100 to -104 noise. Right now I'm just looking for other's input on these kinds of repeater situations? Experience with trees? What signal levels through trees, under 1 mile distance? How about 5.8Ghz or 3.65Ghz? How about CCQ with trees? I would like to ultimately be able to provide 10+Mbps burstable service, as there is DSL in this town. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
900 won't do 10 megs. Get on the tower with a Ubiquiti and the dual pol panels (powerbridge?) and put up an omni or sector with 2.4 or 5. Depending on terrain all subs under a mile should be fine. On Sep 13, 2010 6:58 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than _ *Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the town from both sides, and a mesh through out town? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Nick White wrote: Hi All, I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11 miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the tops/sides of trees. Fortunately I'm still able to pull off signals in the -62 to -80 RX range, using a NBM2 or NSM2 for CPE and Rocket M2 for AP. My RX signals at the AP are -69 to -84. I have the possibility to put repeater APs on a radio station tower that is about 2 blocks from the middle of town - approximately 50' off the ground. From this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. Noise levels vary, but there is DSL in town, so a lot of people have wireless APs in-house. My worst noise level on a customer is -83, but they're using a NSM2 instead of NBM2. The customers with NBM2 are typically -100 to -104 noise. Right now I'm just looking for other's input on these kinds of repeater situations? Experience with trees? What signal levels through trees, under 1 mile distance? How about 5.8Ghz or 3.65Ghz? How about CCQ with trees? I would like to ultimately be able to provide 10+Mbps burstable service, as there is DSL in this town. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
I use it for all,they always exceed the contracted rates,no complaint from any! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:32:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
I have not seen mesh done on the cheap however but open to some ideas for sure On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the town from both sides, and a mesh through out town? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Nick White wrote: Hi All, I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11 miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the tops/sides of trees. Fortunately I'm still able to pull off signals in the -62 to -80 RX range, using a NBM2 or NSM2 for CPE and Rocket M2 for AP. My RX signals at the AP are -69 to -84. I have the possibility to put repeater APs on a radio station tower that is about 2 blocks from the middle of town - approximately 50' off the ground. From this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. Noise levels vary, but there is DSL in town, so a lot of people have wireless APs in-house. My worst noise level on a customer is -83, but they're using a NSM2 instead of NBM2. The customers with NBM2 are typically -100 to -104 noise. Right now I'm just looking for other's input on these kinds of repeater situations? Experience with trees? What signal levels through trees, under 1 mile distance? How about 5.8Ghz or 3.65Ghz? How about CCQ with trees? I would like to ultimately be able to provide 10+Mbps burstable service, as there is DSL in this town. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
how about Ubiquti with Openmesh On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have not seen mesh done on the cheap however but open to some ideas for sure On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the town from both sides, and a mesh through out town? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Nick White wrote: Hi All, I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11 miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the tops/sides of trees. Fortunately I'm still able to pull off signals in the -62 to -80 RX range, using a NBM2 or NSM2 for CPE and Rocket M2 for AP. My RX signals at the AP are -69 to -84. I have the possibility to put repeater APs on a radio station tower that is about 2 blocks from the middle of town - approximately 50' off the ground. From this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. Noise levels vary, but there is DSL in town, so a lot of people have wireless APs in-house. My worst noise level on a customer is -83, but they're using a NSM2 instead of NBM2. The customers with NBM2 are typically -100 to -104 noise. Right now I'm just looking for other's input on these kinds of repeater situations? Experience with trees? What signal levels through trees, under 1 mile distance? How about 5.8Ghz or 3.65Ghz? How about CCQ with trees? I would like to ultimately be able to provide 10+Mbps burstable service, as there is DSL in this town. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
Is there a way to do openmesh without having to give them revenue? On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: how about Ubiquti with Openmesh _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
I have a 'town' I have setup like that (just a large group of towns, they call it a village). A couple PowerStation2's fed from 5ghz covers it well. I also made a few key locations AP's. I take the clients AP's and make them switchs, disabling the wifi. Then add a name on my units for them to use. this helps reduce interference. When i do need to leave AP's I take control of them, turn the power down, etc. If they have not the option then I replace them. I maintain control of every device short of the end user pc/laptop. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Nick White nwt...@tele-net.net wrote: Hi All, I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11 miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the tops/sides of trees. Fortunately I'm still able to pull off signals in the -62 to -80 RX range, using a NBM2 or NSM2 for CPE and Rocket M2 for AP. My RX signals at the AP are -69 to -84. I have the possibility to put repeater APs on a radio station tower that is about 2 blocks from the middle of town - approximately 50' off the ground. From this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. Noise levels vary, but there is DSL in town, so a lot of people have wireless APs in-house. My worst noise level on a customer is -83, but they're using a NSM2 instead of NBM2. The customers with NBM2 are typically -100 to -104 noise. Right now I'm just looking for other's input on these kinds of repeater situations? Experience with trees? What signal levels through trees, under 1 mile distance? How about 5.8Ghz or 3.65Ghz? How about CCQ with trees? I would like to ultimately be able to provide 10+Mbps burstable service, as there is DSL in this town. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
I am unaware of the 99 limit. I actually have a set at 185 ft. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
I can ask our licensing guy - he had seemed for some reason to think this was the rule. Thanks for the heads up.. worth asking again @ least. I have a location I can use it now - (to get to my own home) - we are looking @ 290 foot - or want to @ least Thanks On Sep 13, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I am unaware of the 99 limit. I actually have a set at 185 ft. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
Correction, large group of houses. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have a 'town' I have setup like that (just a large group of towns, they call it a village). A couple PowerStation2's fed from 5ghz covers it well. I also made a few key locations AP's. I take the clients AP's and make them switchs, disabling the wifi. Then add a name on my units for them to use. this helps reduce interference. When i do need to leave AP's I take control of them, turn the power down, etc. If they have not the option then I replace them. I maintain control of every device short of the end user pc/laptop. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Nick White nwt...@tele-net.net wrote: Hi All, I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11 miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the tops/sides of trees. Fortunately I'm still able to pull off signals in the -62 to -80 RX range, using a NBM2 or NSM2 for CPE and Rocket M2 for AP. My RX signals at the AP are -69 to -84. I have the possibility to put repeater APs on a radio station tower that is about 2 blocks from the middle of town - approximately 50' off the ground. From this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. Noise levels vary, but there is DSL in town, so a lot of people have wireless APs in-house. My worst noise level on a customer is -83, but they're using a NSM2 instead of NBM2. The customers with NBM2 are typically -100 to -104 noise. Right now I'm just looking for other's input on these kinds of repeater situations? Experience with trees? What signal levels through trees, under 1 mile distance? How about 5.8Ghz or 3.65Ghz? How about CCQ with trees? I would like to ultimately be able to provide 10+Mbps burstable service, as there is DSL in this town. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
At 9/13/2010 07:02 PM, you wrote: 900 won't do 10 megs. The new Ubiquiti M-series Airmax 900 MHz radios should do it. MCS10 in a 5 MHz quarter-channel is around 10 Mbps. A lower-loss path could allow MCS11 or MCS12. While you can't synchronize sectors, they look like they will outperform Canopy at a fraction of the price. Maybe they'll even ship this year. ;-) As to mesh, MT has HWMP+ as a layer 2 meshing protocol. It looks promising, though there has apparently been very little use of it in this hemisphere. But them I'm planning to do everything at layer 2, trying to build a switched network if I can (vs. bridged). BATMAN-Adv does a layer 2 mesh too, your basic open source code. I don't know anyone using that one either. This type of meshing is basically like routing, just operating below IP so it treats IP (or other protocols, hint hint) as payload and doesn't try to deal with IP addresses. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
But then I'm pinging within network and that tells me nothing. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Bob - your using time warners bandwidth - simply use theirs - your ip ranges are theirs anyhow - best results - as I have found :-) On Sep 12, 2010, at 11:03 PM, Robert West wrote: I use Speedtest.Net for my own tests to verify my CPE settings. Yeah, sometimes it sucks but I have to change to a better server normally and I tell the customer the same thing. Right now we are defaulted to some B.S. speed test server with a 73ms ping time! WTF!73MS???!!! Flippin' stupid! Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] speed test OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Advanced tab. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net http://speedtest.net/ and dslreports.com http://dslreports.com/ - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
I just wish that UBNT would have a burst TIME limit like Mikrotik does. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of j284...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Dave,I'm fairly sure moto let's you set the burst on the sm,same place you set the ul/dl speeds. Sent from my BlackBerryR -Original Message- From: David Williamson dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:35:23 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Yep. Was playing with that today, actually. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 8:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Mikrotik routers would handle all of this. If I'd done it, I'd tell you how. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 3:24 AM, RickG wrote: Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net http://speedtest.net/ and dslreports.com http://dslreports.com/ - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
I've now been defaulted to PIKETON!Piketon is in the middle of nowhere and is a defunct nuclear plutonium enrichment facility for the US government. MIDDLE OF THE STICKS! HA! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Its worse then that here. Were 6ms off the local speedtest server. And it still gives us crap. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 _ From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Ironton! For me Ironton SUCKS! Ping 108ms!!! Why in the hell are they defaulting g you to arm pit Ironton? Been there that place sucks! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test My fiver is through TW. They insist I use the Ironton server which, IMO always provides an accurate result. The issue is these people dont believe it and want to see their speed results elsewhere :( On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe. On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 07:02 PM, you wrote: 900 won't do 10 megs. The new Ubiquiti M-series Airmax 900 MHz radios should do it. MCS10 in a 5 MHz quarter-channel is around 10 Mbps. A lower-loss path could allow MCS11 or MCS12. While you can't synchronize sectors, they look like they will outperform Canopy at a fraction of the price. Maybe they'll even ship this year. ;-) As to mesh, MT has HWMP+ as a layer 2 meshing protocol. It looks promising, though there has apparently been very little use of it in this hemisphere. But them I'm planning to do everything at layer 2, trying to build a switched network if I can (vs. bridged). BATMAN-Adv does a layer 2 mesh too, your basic open source code. I don't know anyone using that one either. This type of meshing is basically like routing, just operating below IP so it treats IP (or other protocols, hint hint) as payload and doesn't try to deal with IP addresses. -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Works fine. I’m now 99.999% UBNT! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Taking the plunge All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi W http://www.rcwifi.com/ ireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Bursting rocks! But do it on the CPE and CHARGE for it if you can. Heck, 5 bucks extra? Could be a profit center. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test I didnt catch that part from Bob but thats what I'm thinking. So, I'll add bursting to my RB1000. But not sure what config allows bursting for all customers. BTW: I did add bursting (in bytes transferred) to the complaining customers UBNT and he says it is fixed! On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: You need a router or bandwidth shaper that limits the burst rate independently of the SM. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Sep 13, 2010, at 1:25 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
At 9/13/2010 09:23 PM, you wrote: With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. What do you mean by real relays? A mesh or routed network or whatever you want to call it is a set of relays. I may be missing out on what you mean by the term, though; I use it generically. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 07:02 PM, you wrote: 900 won't do 10 megs. The new Ubiquiti M-series Airmax 900 MHz radios should do it. MCS10 in a 5 MHz quarter-channel is around 10 Mbps. A lower-loss path could allow MCS11 or MCS12. While you can't synchronize sectors, they look like they will outperform Canopy at a fraction of the price. Maybe they'll even ship this year. ;-) As to mesh, MT has HWMP+ as a layer 2 meshing protocol. It looks promising, though there has apparently been very little use of it in this hemisphere. But them I'm planning to do everything at layer 2, trying to build a switched network if I can (vs. bridged). BATMAN-Adv does a layer 2 mesh too, your basic open source code. I don't know anyone using that one either. This type of meshing is basically like routing, just operating below IP so it treats IP (or other protocols, hint hint) as payload and doesn't try to deal with IP addresses. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
Backhauls? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 9/13/2010 09:23 PM, you wrote: With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. What do you mean by real relays? A mesh or routed network or whatever you want to call it is a set of relays. I may be missing out on what you mean by the term, though; I use it generically. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 07:02 PM, you wrote: 900 won't do 10 megs. The new Ubiquiti M-series Airmax 900 MHz radios should do it. MCS10 in a 5 MHz quarter-channel is around 10 Mbps. A lower-loss path could allow MCS11 or MCS12. While you can't synchronize sectors, they look like they will outperform Canopy at a fraction of the price. Maybe they'll even ship this year. ;-) As to mesh, MT has HWMP+ as a layer 2 meshing protocol. It looks promising, though there has apparently been very little use of it in this hemisphere. But them I'm planning to do everything at layer 2, trying to build a switched network if I can (vs. bridged). BATMAN-Adv does a layer 2 mesh too, your basic open source code. I don't know anyone using that one either. This type of meshing is basically like routing, just operating below IP so it treats IP (or other protocols, hint hint) as payload and doesn't try to deal with IP addresses. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!
I know you got 'em. I'm looking for some nice pics of the various ways of mounting sector antennas. I have a tower with 5 to 10 and even 20 structural tube to mount to, three sided classic 1980's tower. 300 footer. I'm the king at ripping off designs and welding up my own (sorry, my bad) and am looking for some good ideas for this thing. I'd say pretty please but I'm not that pretty and I never please. Well, so says the wife.. *sigh* Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Steve, After several firmware updates and configurations, I finally have the warm fuzzies about my RocketM5 sectors. These 4 sectors are on my main tower and are backhauls for my whole network! I have not had time to work with my 2.4 sectors since the last go around was a flop. After upgrading all clients on one AP over to M radios, I turned on Airmax and things feel much better. YMMV. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Did you do that in your firewall, the ap, or both? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote: We enabled WMM on our Mikrotik's and then just added a Mangle rule to ensure the DSCP was marked correctly, this solved VoIP issues for our users. On 09/13/2010 02:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said complaints about slowdowns. I would say TDMA would be the best bet to solve this problem cost effectively. If you half the channel size, half the number of clients. Not the other way around. Can the UBNT co-exist Contract issues says he can only replace the radio, not add more equipment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, John Vogeljvo...@vogent.net wrote: Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or will the UBNT wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels within hearing distance? On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Steve, After several firmware updates and configurations, I finally have the warm fuzzies about my RocketM5 sectors. These 4 sectors are on my main tower and are backhauls for my whole network! I have not had time to work with my 2.4 sectors since the last go around was a flop. After upgrading all clients on one AP over to M radios, I turned on Airmax and things feel much better. YMMV. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi W http://www.rcwifi.com/ ireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
From what I can tell, any legacy radio, including UBNT's own do not get along with M AP's. I've had issues and have been switching out M AP's for standard UBNT units on my repeaters to resolve the problem. Once I have client base switched out to M units, I'll switch back to M AP's. MM's - do you like plain or peanut? :) On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com wrote: In my experience Tranzeo and UBNT don't play nice together. If you don't mind switching out your tranzeo CPE's with UBNT gear you'll be fine. Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
Sorry, when ever people talk about mesh they most often mean 1 radio meshing. Multiradio relays generally do not benefit from most of the mesh software. OSPF or rSTP works very well and are generally stable and are generally supported and have many tools. I keep everything off the radio I possibly can and use them as bridges with a router behind them. With Mt having $40 units that is even easier and faster then ever. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 09:23 PM, you wrote: With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. What do you mean by real relays? A mesh or routed network or whatever you want to call it is a set of relays. I may be missing out on what you mean by the term, though; I use it generically. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 07:02 PM, you wrote: 900 won't do 10 megs. The new Ubiquiti M-series Airmax 900 MHz radios should do it. MCS10 in a 5 MHz quarter-channel is around 10 Mbps. A lower-loss path could allow MCS11 or MCS12. While you can't synchronize sectors, they look like they will outperform Canopy at a fraction of the price. Maybe they'll even ship this year. ;-) As to mesh, MT has HWMP+ as a layer 2 meshing protocol. It looks promising, though there has apparently been very little use of it in this hemisphere. But them I'm planning to do everything at layer 2, trying to build a switched network if I can (vs. bridged). BATMAN-Adv does a layer 2 mesh too, your basic open source code. I don't know anyone using that one either. This type of meshing is basically like routing, just operating below IP so it treats IP (or other protocols, hint hint) as payload and doesn't try to deal with IP addresses. -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Whats the .001 unit? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Works fine. I’m now 99.999% UBNT! *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Barnes *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 1:32 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Taking the plunge All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
I currently let the SM do both. I swap back forth on what to let the SM do and what to have the firewall do. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: All you need to do is cap the max data rate. Let the sm handle bursting. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:32 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I didnt catch that part from Bob but thats what I'm thinking. So, I'll add bursting to my RB1000. But not sure what config allows bursting for all customers. BTW: I did add bursting (in bytes transferred) to the complaining customers UBNT and he says it is fixed! On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: You need a router or bandwidth shaper that limits the burst rate independently of the SM. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Sep 13, 2010, at 1:25 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comrobert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.comrgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com* wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to http://speedtest.net/ http://speedtest.netspeedtest.net and http://dslreports.com/ http://dslreports.comdslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] speed test
I get it now. Missing a lot of sleep lately. So, how many bytes do you allow the bursting for? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Advanced tab. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 4:25 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com* wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orghttp://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Ditto. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I just wish that UBNT would have a burst TIME limit like Mikrotik does. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of j284...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Dave,I'm fairly sure moto let's you set the burst on the sm,same place you set the ul/dl speeds. Sent from my BlackBerryR -Original Message- From: David Williamson dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:35:23 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!
Lots of pics on our blog at: http://www.mtin.net/blog . Tagged under tower and install. Also have a gallery under Facebook. Hit me offline for more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:36:22 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted! I know you got em. I¹m looking for some nice pics of the various ways of mounting sector antennas. I have a tower with 5 to 10 and even 20² structural tube to mount to, three sided classic 1980¹s tower. 300 footer. I¹m the king at ripping off designs and welding up my own (sorry, my bad) and am looking for some good ideas for this thing. I¹d say pretty please but I¹m not that pretty and I never please. Well, so says the wife.. *sigh* Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
At 9/13/2010 10:57 PM, Jeromie wrote: Sorry, when ever people talk about mesh they most often mean 1 radio meshing. First-generation mesh networks with one radio were awful. I didn't think that was what Greg had in mind. Second-generation mesh networks separated the backhaul (meshing) from the user access, and worked better. I actually like to use mesh in its original sense, to refer to a network with an arbitrary topology allowing multiple links per node. It contrasts with star and ring. A mesh is thus a redundant network. The Internet is a mesh. SPF is a meshing protocol, as is distance vector. Multiradio relays generally do not benefit from most of the mesh software. Depends on the software, but you may be right with some of the freeware mesh software designed for home routers running DD-WRT et al. OSPF or rSTP works very well and are generally stable and are generally supported and have many tools. OSPF operates in IP. I'm trying to do everything at a lower layer than that. RSTP works but is still fundamentally stupid; spanning tree just avoids loops, but doesn't optimize. When the mesh gets complex, you want real routing capabilities. I just have reasons to avoid doing this in IP. But bridging is just a bad LAN hack too; it doesn't scale to the radio world. I remember when we introduced Ethernet bridges at DEC, somewhere around 1985. It sounded like a good idea at the time. But a few years later, the head of network archicture quipped, Networks are a drug. Bridged networks are a dangerous drug. Of course that was shortly before some Microsoft-worshipping IT types started pushing big bridged multi-site LAN Manager networks... I keep everything off the radio I possibly can and use them as bridges with a router behind them. With Mt having $40 units that is even easier and faster then ever. I agree that this is a good idea. I am likely to do some radios as cards plugged into the RB, like the SR71-15s which look really good. But the access points and some links will be separate, on Ethernet. Besides, the Ethernet RocketM sectors look better than anything MT has. The specs are pretty close but the scuttlebutt on the boards is that the UBNT cards outperform the R52HNs. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 09:23 PM, you wrote: With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. What do you mean by real relays? A mesh or routed network or whatever you want to call it is a set of relays. I may be missing out on what you mean by the term, though; I use it generically. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 07:02 PM, you wrote: 900 won't do 10 megs. The new Ubiquiti M-series Airmax 900 MHz radios should do it. MCS10 in a 5 MHz quarter-channel is around 10 Mbps. A lower-loss path could allow MCS11 or MCS12. While you can't synchronize sectors, they look like they will outperform Canopy at a fraction of the price. Maybe they'll even ship this year. ;-) As to mesh, MT has HWMP+ as a layer 2 meshing protocol. It looks promising, though there has apparently been very little use of it in this hemisphere. But them I'm planning to do everything at layer 2, trying to build a switched network if I can (vs. bridged). BATMAN-Adv does a layer 2 mesh too, your basic open source code. I don't know anyone using that one either. This type of meshing is basically like routing, just operating below IP so it treats IP (or other protocols, hint hint) as payload and doesn't try to deal with IP addresses. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
probably a mikrotik router or two On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Whats the .001 unit? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Works fine. I’m now 99.999% UBNT! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Taking the plunge All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
At 9/13/2010 10:43 PM, Robert West wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Why not? I'm working on a design now that has 15-20 access points fed from a sector antenna on a tower. (I couldn't put that many separate links up if I tried, not between 5.725 and 5.85.) They'll need TDMA (Airmax or an Nstreme) to keep things sorted out, of course. There's a string of nodes that can barely see each other for the trees, but can all see one tower over water... since water paths tend to be flakey, I'm thinking of putting two antennas on the tower, one above the other, hoping that the vertical spacing may have the two sectors (overlapping coverage, different 5.8 channels) flake out at different times. The real question is whether or not I can make a case that the Sky Pilot Rule applies, and thus the whole sector counts as PtP for regulatory power limit purposes. With TDMA it's only transmitting to one at a time, after all... -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Your welcome! I put them up earlier this year. The first station was a RocketM5 Dish, 13 miles out. Truly set it and forget it! It worked so well that it threw me for a loop when I had issues with the 2.4 sectors. At any rate, I've been adding UBNT M5 dishes and other M5 units as backhauls to the rest of my towers non-stop. Cant wait til winter break! On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 10:40 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Steve, After several firmware updates and configurations, I finally have the warm fuzzies about my RocketM5 sectors. These 4 sectors are on my main tower and are backhauls for my whole network! I have not had time to work with my 2.4 sectors since the last go around was a flop. After upgrading all clients on one AP over to M radios, I turned on Airmax and things feel much better. YMMV. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I know a guy in Florida who put up a PTP link for every customer! Of course, that was from the rooftop of a high rise. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 9/13/2010 10:43 PM, Robert West wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Why not? I'm working on a design now that has 15-20 access points fed from a sector antenna on a tower. (I couldn't put that many separate links up if I tried, not between 5.725 and 5.85.) They'll need TDMA (Airmax or an Nstreme) to keep things sorted out, of course. There's a string of nodes that can barely see each other for the trees, but can all see one tower over water... since water paths tend to be flakey, I'm thinking of putting two antennas on the tower, one above the other, hoping that the vertical spacing may have the two sectors (overlapping coverage, different 5.8 channels) flake out at different times. The real question is whether or not I can make a case that the Sky Pilot Rule applies, and thus the whole sector counts as PtP for regulatory power limit purposes. With TDMA it's only transmitting to one at a time, after all... -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!
Nice. Is that angle iron for the standoff? Hopefully NOT Home Depot wire ties though. I HATE their military rated wire ties. What a joke, as I've said before and not so nicely. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted! Most of my towers are water tanks. I do have a couple of tri-legs to contend with. I prefer stand offs. Sorry, only pic I've got. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I know you got 'em. I'm looking for some nice pics of the various ways of mounting sector antennas. I have a tower with 5 to 10 and even 20 structural tube to mount to, three sided classic 1980's tower. 300 footer. I'm the king at ripping off designs and welding up my own (sorry, my bad) and am looking for some good ideas for this thing. I'd say pretty please but I'm not that pretty and I never please. Well, so says the wife.. *sigh* Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Yep. Just one last lonely 433 board with an XR2 card. However we DO still use a 600a at the shop. BUT..! Working on putting another 433 back into service for a weird install with another XR2 card and a couple of Luxul circular polarized antennas. All from the Junk Pile.A private link that the 433AH would do nicely for and will get SOLD as a result! Gotta love that! (At full retail to boot!) Bob- Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge probably a mikrotik router or two On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Whats the .001 unit? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Works fine. I’m now 99.999% UBNT! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Taking the plunge All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Winter break? That's when I spend all night up on a tower in the carharts, ski mask and goggles... No break! This year I may add a flask of rum to the tool bucket. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Your welcome! I put them up earlier this year. The first station was a RocketM5 Dish, 13 miles out. Truly set it and forget it! It worked so well that it threw me for a loop when I had issues with the 2.4 sectors. At any rate, I've been adding UBNT M5 dishes and other M5 units as backhauls to the rest of my towers non-stop. Cant wait til winter break! On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Steve, After several firmware updates and configurations, I finally have the warm fuzzies about my RocketM5 sectors. These 4 sectors are on my main tower and are backhauls for my whole network! I have not had time to work with my 2.4 sectors since the last go around was a flop. After upgrading all clients on one AP over to M radios, I turned on Airmax and things feel much better. YMMV. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi W http://www.rcwifi.com/ ireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Kinky. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge I know a guy in Florida who put up a PTP link for every customer! Of course, that was from the rooftop of a high rise. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 10:43 PM, Robert West wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Why not? I'm working on a design now that has 15-20 access points fed from a sector antenna on a tower. (I couldn't put that many separate links up if I tried, not between 5.725 and 5.85.) They'll need TDMA (Airmax or an Nstreme) to keep things sorted out, of course. There's a string of nodes that can barely see each other for the trees, but can all see one tower over water... since water paths tend to be flakey, I'm thinking of putting two antennas on the tower, one above the other, hoping that the vertical spacing may have the two sectors (overlapping coverage, different 5.8 channels) flake out at different times. The real question is whether or not I can make a case that the Sky Pilot Rule applies, and thus the whole sector counts as PtP for regulatory power limit purposes. With TDMA it's only transmitting to one at a time, after all... -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
You be right! I have one hub with multiple backhauls on it. My problem was always the sectors being 15 to 19dbi gain but the grids being a good 29. My furthest out is 20 miles, not good for a 15dbi sector, but most other AP's can see the hub's sectors at at least a -74. In fact, I've USED them in a pinch to work around outages, though not within FCC guide lines.. (So what) but I never thought about just using it as part of the big vision. Hm Me- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge At 9/13/2010 10:43 PM, Robert West wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Why not? I'm working on a design now that has 15-20 access points fed from a sector antenna on a tower. (I couldn't put that many separate links up if I tried, not between 5.725 and 5.85.) They'll need TDMA (Airmax or an Nstreme) to keep things sorted out, of course. There's a string of nodes that can barely see each other for the trees, but can all see one tower over water... since water paths tend to be flakey, I'm thinking of putting two antennas on the tower, one above the other, hoping that the vertical spacing may have the two sectors (overlapping coverage, different 5.8 channels) flake out at different times. The real question is whether or not I can make a case that the Sky Pilot Rule applies, and thus the whole sector counts as PtP for regulatory power limit purposes. With TDMA it's only transmitting to one at a time, after all... -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
