Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies- must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid . Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. *** * *** * * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies - must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn *** * *** * *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
Mac Dearman, that Scottish guy. Michelob Ultra, what the heck is up with that. -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:44:30 -0500 Yes I won a nice 5ghz moto starter pack. Talked moto into changing that out to a 4.9ghz PTP link with the help of Ray Savich from Motorola. Here is a link to the case study. http://www.motorola.com/web/Business/Products/Wireless%20Networks/Wireless%2 0Broadband%20Networks/Point-to-Point/_Documents/staticfiles/Breaking%20the%2 0Shackles%20of%20Inmate%20Transport%20Costs.pdf?localeId=33 Rick, I loved the WISP-NOG show, it was one of the best show I have attended. I consider that to be back in the early days and I still look back upon that show as a historic memory, Moto was just announcing their 900mhz Canopy platform. Not too many vendors there at all, think WISP-ROUTER was the only one. I learned more from sitting down in the hotel bar talking with a lot of the big names like Mac Dearman, Butch Evans, John Scrivner, Charles Wu and probably a few others I forget about. I think I had about 35 clients back then. Never though I would get past the 100 mark or even the 200 or 300. I remember the presentation that Todd Bergstrohm gave and at that time 3db networks had about 3500 clients I think. Oh remember the dinner we all went to? Remember that butt paste or whatever it was called, lol. Then we had the Beer-n-Wireless-Gear and I wasn't even old enough to drink. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:25 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Rick, What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* bo...@burrow.com; 'WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should have at least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid … Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies- must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
You should have known that! We are facebook friends! Where were you hiding all these years Josh? I have been active on the lists since 2004 and don't ever remember seeing your name, but just out of no-where you seem to have appeared and already know everything and now I am seeing your name all over the place, all the lists, whats up with that? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
Sneaky, sneaky sir. I don't do much on Facebook. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.comwrote: You should have known that! We are facebook friends! Where were you hiding all these years Josh? I have been active on the lists since 2004 and don’t ever remember seeing your name, but just out of no-where you seem to have appeared and already know everything and now I am seeing your name all over the place, all the lists, whats up with that? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
Sigh.I think I have a couple pairs of shoes that are older than you guys. :-) Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Rick, What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? Kurt
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LOL Jeff, I hear ya . ;-) Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Sigh.I think I have a couple pairs of shoes that are older than you guys. J Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We
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So buy some new shoes! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.netwrote: Sigh…I think I have a couple pairs of shoes that are older than you guys… J Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid … Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.comhttp://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies- must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
Hey me too I was 17 in 1975 :) On 1/26/2011 7:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org mailto:rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
I was 21. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer *Arvig Communications Systems* diversicom-Melrose Telephone-Wisper Wireless 320.351.WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
Lets all unite and take over the world! Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ attachment: kurt@wavelinc.com.vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
I WAS 42 From: Mike Bushard Jr Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - I was 21. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer Arvig Communications Systems diversicom-Melrose Telephone-Wisper Wireless 320.351.WISP (9477) -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
YOU CAN HAVE IT, WE SCREWED IT UP From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Lets all unite and take over the world! Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
I was 20. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mike Bushard Jr mikeb.li...@gmail.com wrote: I was 21. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Canada regulator OKs metered Internet billing
Looks like Netflix is taking down the Canadians too. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-regulator-oks-metered-internet-billing-20110 125-150349-137.html Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook attachment: kurt@wavelinc.com.vcfattachment: kurt@wavelinc.com.vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it, than to break the law to enforce the law. I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a defense to have issue thrown out of court. I believe if stricter tracking regulations ever get made, the laws will likely get challenged. If you think its tough for small WISPs to archive usage data, jsut think how hard it would be for a large company serving millions of subs. And even if ISPs tracked the info, what good would it really do? How would one even verify the accuracy of the collected data, and verify it was not tampered with. For example, to prevent someone from framing another person, by spoofing IPs and such. If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid … Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.comhttp://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the information. Nice! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it, than to break the law to enforce the law. I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a defense to have issue thrown out of court. I believe if stricter tracking regulations ever get made, the laws will likely get challenged. If you think its tough for small WISPs to archive usage data, jsut think how hard it would be for a large company serving millions of subs. And even if ISPs tracked the info, what good would it really do? How would one even verify the accuracy of the collected data, and verify it was not tampered with. For example, to prevent someone from framing another person, by spoofing IPs and such. If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid . Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan
Re: [WISPA] Justice Department Seeks Mandatory Data Retention
Department of Pre-Crime? Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Justice Department Seeks Mandatory Data Retention The following information is being provided to you 100% free of any added flavorings, colorings, or editorial content. No animals were harmed in the creation of this email. *** Criminal investigations are being frustrated because no law currently exists to force Internet providers to keep track of what their customers are doing, the U.S. Department of Justice will announce tomorrow. CNET obtained a copy of the department's position on mandatory data retention--saying Congress should strike a more appropriate balance between privacy and police concerns--that will be announced at a House of Representatives hearing tomorrow. Data retention is fundamental to the department's work in investigating and prosecuting almost every type of crime, Jason Weinstein, deputy assistant attorney general for the criminal division, will say, according to his written testimony. The problem of investigations being stymied by a lack of data retention is growing worse. (See related http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html article.) LINK: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029423-281.html?tag=nl.e703 http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029423-281.html?tag=nl.e703 ** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1202 / Virus Database: 1435/3404 - Release Date: 01/26/11 image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchildporn
IPv6 makes this tracking even more difficult, if you don't set things up correctly in the first place. Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchildporn I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it, than to break the law to enforce the law. I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a defense to have issue thrown out of court. I believe if stricter tracking regulations ever get made, the laws will likely get challenged. If you think its tough for small WISPs to archive usage data, jsut think how hard it would be for a large company serving millions of subs. And even if ISPs tracked the info, what good would it really do? How would one even verify the accuracy of the collected data, and verify it was not tampered with. For example, to prevent someone from framing another person, by spoofing IPs and such. If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid . Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.comhttp://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
All of you young people... I'm 28. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic
We're blocking DHCP traffic on mikrotik client units. We've found a rogue dhcp that I've talked about the last couple weeks in a few threads. I found the unit. We're blocking the 67 port like we're suppose to but unit are still attempting to connect to the DHCP behind it. Should I be blocking 67 and 68 to alleviate this? The clients need to get an IP with the tower dhcp server but I don't want people's routers giving out responses. The counters are going up but im still seeing the 192.168.1.1 IP on the ARP table and the only units on the tower having a problem is these 320 units but it's the rogue server behind one of these mikrotiks. Irritating. Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic
ARP and DHCP are two different things. Assuming you're correctly blocking the DHCP server for answering or hearing discoveries, ARP is still going to happen and the (guessing here) Linksys Wifi Router is plugged in backwards answering ARP for the address it is listening on. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.comwrote: We’re blocking DHCP traffic on mikrotik client units. We’ve found a rogue dhcp that I’ve talked about the last couple weeks in a few threads. I found the unit. We’re blocking the 67 port like we’re suppose to but unit are still attempting to connect to the DHCP behind it. Should I be blocking 67 and 68 to alleviate this? The clients need to get an IP with the tower dhcp server but I don’t want people’s routers giving out responses. The counters are going up but im still seeing the 192.168.1.1 IP on the ARP table and the only units on the tower having a problem is these 320 units but it’s the rogue server behind one of these mikrotiks. Irritating. Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic
Although it's a bit of work to get setup, and it helps to have scripts and automated provisioning to keep everything organized, we haven't had any problems with rouge DHCP since implementing it... http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/2009-November/001178.html Josh, did you end up implementing something like this yourself? -Kristian On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:44 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: We’re blocking DHCP traffic on mikrotik client units. We’ve found a rogue dhcp that I’ve talked about the last couple weeks in a few threads. I found the unit. We’re blocking the 67 port like we’re suppose to but unit are still attempting to connect to the DHCP behind it. Should I be blocking 67 and 68 to alleviate this? The clients need to get an IP with the tower dhcp server but I don’t want people’s routers giving out responses. The counters are going up but im still seeing the 192.168.1.1 IP on the ARP table and the only units on the tower having a problem is these 320 units but it’s the rogue server behind one of these mikrotiks. Irritating. Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
%#$! kids get off my lawn! On 1/26/2011 12:55 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Lets all unite and take over the world! Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3404 - Release Date: 01/26/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth
I'm thinking of multi-homing with Centurylink as a second provider. Is this a pretty good performing network? I read the following link, which gave me concerns, but I'm not sure if this only effects DSL customers or wholesale customers also. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/CenturyLinks-Network-Is-Choking-112426 I have a 20Mbit DS3 circuit with ACC Business. Bandwidth is maxing out way too much. They want too much money to upgrade to the full DS3. I have just over a year left on the contract. Centurylink can provide a full DS3. Because IPv4 addresses about to run out, I thought it would be good to multi-home, run BGP and get our own IP space from ARIN. Any feedback on how your centurylink circuits perform would be great. Thanks, Roger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic
We already have a script to drop on all our client units. Just not sure why this one is answer DHCP queries to these 365s. I'm watching the counters go up as we type. I keep doing captures but these units still won't get an IP address. All the other sectors are fine but these 365 units (pmp320)keep freaking out about it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:04 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic Although it's a bit of work to get setup, and it helps to have scripts and automated provisioning to keep everything organized, we haven't had any problems with rouge DHCP since implementing it... http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/2009-November/001178.html Josh, did you end up implementing something like this yourself? -Kristian On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:44 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: We’re blocking DHCP traffic on mikrotik client units. We’ve found a rogue dhcp that I’ve talked about the last couple weeks in a few threads. I found the unit. We’re blocking the 67 port like we’re suppose to but unit are still attempting to connect to the DHCP behind it. Should I be blocking 67 and 68 to alleviate this? The clients need to get an IP with the tower dhcp server but I don’t want people’s routers giving out responses. The counters are going up but im still seeing the 192.168.1.1 IP on the ARP table and the only units on the tower having a problem is these 320 units but it’s the rogue server behind one of these mikrotiks. Irritating. Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth
Using centurytel fiber for my primary uplink. No problems and good support. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking of multi-homing with Centurylink as a second provider. Is this a pretty good performing network? I read the following link, which gave me concerns, but I'm not sure if this only effects DSL customers or wholesale customers also. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/CenturyLinks-Network-Is-Choking-112426 I have a 20Mbit DS3 circuit with ACC Business. Bandwidth is maxing out way too much. They want too much money to upgrade to the full DS3. I have just over a year left on the contract. Centurylink can provide a full DS3. Because IPv4 addresses about to run out, I thought it would be good to multi-home, run BGP and get our own IP space from ARIN. Any feedback on how your centurylink circuits perform would be great. Thanks, Roger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth
We've had various CL (was Embarq) upstreams out of our more rural data facility for 6+ years now. We started with T1s, went to ATM, upgraded to Fiber and we've recently moved on to a different layer 2 provider to peer with Level3. We were fortunate enough to have that option. During our experience with Embarq/CL we had a host of issues from basic outages/cuts to capacity issues. I think their issues are going to be more regional than global though. My issues in Central Florida likely wouldn't be the same issues somebody might have in other areas. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Roger Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:22 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth I'm thinking of multi-homing with Centurylink as a second provider. Is this a pretty good performing network? I read the following link, which gave me concerns, but I'm not sure if this only effects DSL customers or wholesale customers also. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/CenturyLinks-Network-Is-Choking-11242 6 I have a 20Mbit DS3 circuit with ACC Business. Bandwidth is maxing out way too much. They want too much money to upgrade to the full DS3. I have just over a year left on the contract. Centurylink can provide a full DS3. Because IPv4 addresses about to run out, I thought it would be good to multi-home, run BGP and get our own IP space from ARIN. Any feedback on how your centurylink circuits perform would be great. Thanks, Roger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic
On 01/26/2011 02:04 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: Although it's a bit of work to get setup, and it helps to have scripts and automated provisioning to keep everything organized, we haven't had any problems with rouge DHCP since implementing it... http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/2009-November/001178.html Josh, did you end up implementing something like this yourself? I think that I posted another solution in that same thread. I have also posted similar solutions on the WISPA member list. IIRC, the post to the WISPA member list was a complete solution. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * *NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: $250 first year $500 second+ year Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members would be OK with. I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 of value from this organization. There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) But I KNOW we can do better than 300. And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as good as any intern program. And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its a topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy would a WISP not want to join and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little amount asked to have contributed? There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and FCC. And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a note that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic X. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it
Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic
Not sure exactly what you're asking. I did put a bridge filter on the MT AP to stop SM to SM communication, yes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: Although it's a bit of work to get setup, and it helps to have scripts and automated provisioning to keep everything organized, we haven't had any problems with rouge DHCP since implementing it... http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/2009-November/001178.html Josh, did you end up implementing something like this yourself? -Kristian On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:44 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: We’re blocking DHCP traffic on mikrotik client units. We’ve found a rogue dhcp that I’ve talked about the last couple weeks in a few threads. I found the unit. We’re blocking the 67 port like we’re suppose to but unit are still attempting to connect to the DHCP behind it. Should I be blocking 67 and 68 to alleviate this? The clients need to get an IP with the tower dhcp server but I don’t want people’s routers giving out responses. The counters are going up but im still seeing the 192.168.1.1 IP on the ARP table and the only units on the tower having a problem is these 320 units but it’s the rogue server behind one of these mikrotiks. Irritating. Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchildporn
Exactly, I don't think we have permission to store their private information either. If we are asked to fulfill the role of a law enforcement position we should get paid. We are asked to be a tax collector and we are not paid and I actually think that that is against the law, but we won't go there. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:43:55 -0500 I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it, than to break the law to enforce the law. I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a defense to have issue thrown out of court. I believe if stricter tracking regulations ever get made, the laws will likely get challenged. If you think its tough for small WISPs to archive usage data, jsut think how hard it would be for a large company serving millions of subs. And even if ISPs tracked the info, what good would it really do? How would one even verify the accuracy of the collected data, and verify it was not tampered with. For example, to prevent someone from framing another person, by spoofing IPs and such. If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
That does add overhead... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: $250 first year $500 second+ year Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members would be OK with. I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 of value from this organization. There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) But I KNOW we can do better than 300. And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as good as any intern program. And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its a topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy would a WISP not want to join and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little amount asked to have contributed? There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and FCC. And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee from $250 to $500... On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That does add overhead... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: $250 first year $500 second+ year Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members would be OK with. I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 of value from this organization. There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) But I KNOW we can do better than 300. And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as good as any intern program. And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its a topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy would a WISP not want to join and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little amount asked to have contributed? There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and
[WISPA] Neteq
I bought a neteq about two years ago but didn't use it because I couldn't shape bandwidth on an IP level. I heard its now possible and there's also cache. Anybody know where I can get a firmware upgrade. Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth
I'm in the same city with centurytel's corporate office. That might explain my success Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.com wrote: We've had various CL (was Embarq) upstreams out of our more rural data facility for 6+ years now. We started with T1s, went to ATM, upgraded to Fiber and we've recently moved on to a different layer 2 provider to peer with Level3. We were fortunate enough to have that option. During our experience with Embarq/CL we had a host of issues from basic outages/cuts to capacity issues. I think their issues are going to be more regional than global though. My issues in Central Florida likely wouldn't be the same issues somebody might have in other areas. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Roger Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:22 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth I'm thinking of multi-homing with Centurylink as a second provider. Is this a pretty good performing network? I read the following link, which gave me concerns, but I'm not sure if this only effects DSL customers or wholesale customers also. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/CenturyLinks-Network-Is-Choking-11242 6 I have a 20Mbit DS3 circuit with ACC Business. Bandwidth is maxing out way too much. They want too much money to upgrade to the full DS3. I have just over a year left on the contract. Centurylink can provide a full DS3. Because IPv4 addresses about to run out, I thought it would be good to multi-home, run BGP and get our own IP space from ARIN. Any feedback on how your centurylink circuits perform would be great. Thanks, Roger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Nomadix AG5500
I have a Nomadix AG5500 that seems to have corrupted firmware. Do any of you use / support Nomadix? I haven't been able to get ahold of their support. Right now I'm looking for a new firmware image that I can flash to resurrect this box. If not I guess I'll just have a pretty looking monowall box. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
But if the first year was $250 and they could either a) see the value and pay more or b) not see the value and get out it makes sense to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee from $250 to $500... On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That does add overhead... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: $250 first year $500 second+ year Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members would be OK with. I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 of value from this organization. There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) But I KNOW we can do better than 300. And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as good as any intern program. And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its a topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do to show
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
What about simply a fundraising effort? That would test the waters without committing to any type of rate increase and the like. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support On 1/26/11 3:54 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee from $250 to $500... On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That does add overhead... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: $250 first year $500 second+ year Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members would be OK with. I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 of value from this organization. There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) But I KNOW we can do better than 300. And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as good as any intern program. And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its a topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
I believe more than half will pay the $500 year two which would more than cover any losses due to the year 2 increase. Now is it advantageous to have more members even if they don't want to pay more? If we lose 25%, but have more fees overall, is that going to hurt our power in numbers? Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) But if the first year was $250 and they could either a) see the value and pay more or b) not see the value and get out it makes sense to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee from $250 to $500... On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That does add overhead... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: $250 first year $500 second+ year Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members would be OK with. I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 of value from this organization. There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) But I KNOW we can do better than 300. And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as good as any intern program. And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause they aren't going to be afforing
Re: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth
At 1/26/2011 03:56 PM, JeremieC wrote: I'm in the same city with centurytel's corporate office. That might explain my success Perhaps, since BellSouth is the ILEC in Monroe, so CTE's circuit would be competitive, and largely aimed at themselves. My guess is that the quality of CT service is inversely proportional to how long they've owned it. Much of the Embarq plant was being improved when they bought it, so it can now decay. Q is in pretty bad shape but will get worse. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.com wrote: We've had various CL (was Embarq) upstreams out of our more rural data facility for 6+ years now. We started with T1s, went to ATM, upgraded to Fiber and we've recently moved on to a different layer 2 provider to peer with Level3. We were fortunate enough to have that option. During our experience with Embarq/CL we had a host of issues from basic outages/cuts to capacity issues. I think their issues are going to be more regional than global though. My issues in Central Florida likely wouldn't be the same issues somebody might have in other areas. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Roger Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:22 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth I'm thinking of multi-homing with Centurylink as a second provider. Is this a pretty good performing network? I read the following link, which gave me concerns, but I'm not sure if this only effects DSL customers or wholesale customers also. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/CenturyLinks-Network-Is-Choking-11242 6 I have a 20Mbit DS3 circuit with ACC Business. Bandwidth is maxing out way too much. They want too much money to upgrade to the full DS3. I have just over a year left on the contract. Centurylink can provide a full DS3. Because IPv4 addresses about to run out, I thought it would be good to multi-home, run BGP and get our own IP space from ARIN. Any feedback on how your centurylink circuits perform would be great. Thanks, Roger -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Neteq
You'll want to contact AP Connections directly. You'll need a current support contract to get the upgrade. supp...@apconnections.net or sa...@apconnections.net Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 1/26/2011 2:33 PM, akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe wrote: I bought a neteq about two years ago but didn't use it because I couldn't shape bandwidth on an IP level. I heard its now possible and there's also cache. Anybody know where I can get a firmware upgrade. Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
Jon, I personally like Chucks suggestion... Charging for subsriber count ranges via tiers, and using the honor system. It gives WISP an option to pay more, with the likelihood they will do the right thing, and those with more stake in the game with more to gain, will havea mechanism enabling to help more for mutual benefit. However, I recognize your point, of not wanting to turnoff members. But we cant ignore there is a clear benefit to having tiers. If concerned about turning off people by a tiered method, a possible solution is to reduce number of tiers to fewer, the bare mminimum to address the problem. The biggest reason for tiers is to never have a dues amount to large that it prevents some smaller but interested parties from justifying joining, but yet having Due at a higher rate for most members, in line with what can best help accomplish the goals the members desire. A small startup being exposed to WISPA, might question $500, but likely wouldn't question $250. But $500 dues is really needed to make a large neough impact. There is jsut as much a risk of loosing large WISPs as members, because WISPA doesn;t charge enough to afford to make a large enough impact, and therefore looks less relevent to the larger WISP. A mechanism must be in place to accommodate both profile companies.. For example, the Tiers could be just two... $250 for under 100subs, and $500 for over 100. Another option could be to have a first year discount. Allow Startups to pay $250, to experience the benefit of WISPA, with the assumption that the startup needs a year of growth before they are made to put in equal contribution as other more established WISPs. And again, because of the honor system, it could be left up to the applicant to state whether they considered themselves a startup or not to get a discount.. But even then, Associate membership might serve the purpose of low cost membership for startups. However, I personally believe that the very best way to accomplish WISPA's revenue goals is the accumulative effort of many. The easiest sell, and biggest impact could be obtained if every WISPA member stepped up to pay just a little bit more. As I stated before in this thread I beleive the lowest tier WISP Principle membership fee should be $350 (not 250). I beleive all of us should be able to afford $350. (and if I'm wrong, the honor system can assist with that). And that alone would raise $30k, right off the bat. I feel strongly about that. So in compromise I think a good dues structure might be Assoicate $150 Principle upto 1000subs- $350 Principle over 1000subs- $600 Now if that is not enough revenue, well then I beleive that at this time, the additional revenue beyond that needs to come from elsewhere. Preferrably via new membership recruiting. Or additional fund raising events. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee from $250 to $500... On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That does add overhead... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: $250 first year $500 second+ year Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what
Re: [WISPA] Justice Department Seeks Mandatory Data Retention
No kidding.your license plate light was out and so we pulled you over because that's a sign you may or may already be committing a revenue generating crime. Ever wonder why they would pull you over for a rear license plate light being out when their headlights shine on your plate and they can call it in anyway ? Hmm, things that make you go Hmm. -- Original Message -- From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:26:37 -0500 Department of Pre-Crime? Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Justice Department Seeks Mandatory Data Retention The following information is being provided to you 100% free of any added flavorings, colorings, or editorial content. No animals were harmed in the creation of this email. *** Criminal investigations are being frustrated because no law currently exists to force Internet providers to keep track of what their customers are doing, the U.S. Department of Justice will announce tomorrow. CNET obtained a copy of the department's position on mandatory data retention--saying Congress should strike a more appropriate balance between privacy and police concerns--that will be announced at a House of Representatives hearing tomorrow. Data retention is fundamental to the department's work in investigating and prosecuting almost every type of crime, Jason Weinstein, deputy assistant attorney general for the criminal division, will say, according to his written testimony. The problem of investigations being stymied by a lack of data retention is growing worse. (See related http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html article.) LINK: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029423-281.html?tag=nl.e703 http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029423-281.html?tag=nl.e703 ** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1202 / Virus Database: 1435/3404 - Release Date: 01/26/11 Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected
The FCC today announced the selection of nine TV White Space database administrators. This brings us one step closer to being able to deploy TVWS networks (once the databases are online and equipment is available). Here's a link to the announcement: http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0126/DA-11-131A1.pdf More details later after reading the announcement in full. jack 818-227-4220 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected
ugh.. neustar.. ryan On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The FCC today announced the selection of nine TV White Space database administrators. This brings us one step closer to being able to deploy TVWS networks (once the databases are online and equipment is available). Here's a link to the announcement: http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0126/DA-11-131A1.pdf More details later after reading the announcement in full. jack 818-227-4220 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected
So 9 parties applied and 9 were selected? Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected The FCC today announced the selection of nine TV White Space database administrators. This brings us one step closer to being able to deploy TVWS networks (once the databases are online and equipment is available). Here's a link to the announcement: http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0126/DA-11-131A 1.pdf More details later after reading the announcement in full. jack 818-227-4220 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
I contributed money before in a fund-raising effort. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 3:02 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: What about simply a fundraising effort? That would test the waters without committing to any type of rate increase and the like. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic
I'm wondering if anyone else uses action=arp-reply in the bridge NAT section. I don't like using obscure features with MT for fear that they'll randomly remove it one day. However, since that post they appear to have added a rule to match gratuitous ARP, which could greatly simplify my config. I haven't tested it yet though. -Kristian On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 15:48 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: Not sure exactly what you're asking. I did put a bridge filter on the MT AP to stop SM to SM communication, yes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Although it's a bit of work to get setup, and it helps to have scripts and automated provisioning to keep everything organized, we haven't had any problems with rouge DHCP since implementing it... http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/2009-November/001178.html Josh, did you end up implementing something like this yourself? -Kristian On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:44 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote: We’re blocking DHCP traffic on mikrotik client units. We’ve found a rogue dhcp that I’ve talked about the last couple weeks in a few threads. I found the unit. We’re blocking the 67 port like we’re suppose to but unit are still attempting to connect to the DHCP behind it. Should I be blocking 67 and 68 to alleviate this? The clients need to get an IP with the tower dhcp server but I don’t want people’s routers giving out responses. The counters are going up but im still seeing the 192.168.1.1 IP on the ARP table and the only units on the tower having a problem is these 320 units but it’s the rogue server behind one of these mikrotiks. Irritating. Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected
Yes On 1/26/2011 2:03 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: So 9 parties applied and 9 were selected? Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected The FCC today announced the selection of nine TV White Space database administrators. This brings us one step closer to being able to deploy TVWS networks (once the databases are online and equipment is available). Here's a link to the announcement: http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0126/DA-11-131A 1.pdf More details later after reading the announcement in full. jack 818-227-4220 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] strange dragonwave message
We have a dragonwave horizon compact complaining of: Radio drain current out of limits: - Redundancy OFF: Radio Fault: - Replace Radio What the heck is Radio drain current out of limits? Thanks Don WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A puzzle for your enjoyment...
On 26 January 2011 01:51, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Whats wrong? No, its not an optical illusion lol Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 I've seen this a few times with those cheap Pac-Wireless dishes. Just rotate the ring. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] strange dragonwave message
Radio is drawing too much current possibly a bad transmitter or some other issue within the radio. -B- Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Don Grossman d...@willitsonline.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 01:49:16 GMT+00:00 Subject: [WISPA] strange dragonwave message WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
That's how many other organizations do it. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: $250 first year $500 second+ year Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members would be OK with. I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 of value from this organization. There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) But I KNOW we can do better than 300. And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as good as any intern program. And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its a topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy would a WISP not want to join and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little amount asked to have contributed? There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and FCC. And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a note
