Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

Sounds like a great idea and useful product. Will be interesting to see what you come up with. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:07 AM Subj

Re: [WISPA] Article

What I'm having a hard time understanding is why we can't just have both? I fully agree WISPs can;t rely on regulators, and we must survive by our own control. But I see no reason that simultaneously we can;t also influence polititions for our mutual benefit. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, In

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

I'm not so sure I would go hunting down the Netflix users and tacking on that fee, but it is an option... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

You would think that this would bring down the risk factor. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net */ Link Technologies, In

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

208.111.168.0/24 belongs to limelight. So far this is where all of the data traces go back to .. FYI ;) One thing, this may start something, but, why not send customers a note with their next bill, netflix subscribers, due to the high usage netflix puts on the entire network, we will start c

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

I don't question the value of Leasing for a second. I just think that it is to hard to get Leasing. WISPs should not be considered any more HIGH risk than any other business. In today's economy WISPs are doing better than many other industries, and the demand is still growing daily. Tom DeReggi

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

> the really big WISP's all deploy Canopy I think for a reason Canopy makes a real nice platform now, and some large companies may use Canopy.. But that comment is in no way true. I can name just as many large companies that deploy, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, etc. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wirele

Re: [WISPA] Article

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: >sheep are the worst thing to be. Worse than cows? Sheep get shorn, but cows get their heads bashed in an put on buns. I'd rather be a sheep than a cow. Or worse, yet, a spider. NOBODY likes them. --

Re: [WISPA] Need 12->24 constant volt converter ASAP

Backwoods solar might have what you need. ryan -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:01 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Need 12->24 constant volt converter ASAP I have an immediate need for a 12-24v DC converter, about 3

Re: [WISPA] Article

Money from DC is just as green as money from anywhere else. Allthough the Red Tape, might hide that fact. The answer is to get rid of the red tape, not the green money. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] Article

Mark, Many of the points that you made were good points. However I agree that the game needs to change, if WISPs plan to benefit from it. But I don't think the answer is to be the Lone Ranger and push away potential government help, and leave it for competitors to go after. The largest thin

Re: [WISPA] Need 12->24 constant volt converter ASAP

You need more power... those batteries are too discharged. But, the dc to dc converter... try jameco or Mouser. Be prepared for sticker shock :( - Original Message - From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:0

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

I debated on whether to put this out there but since Tim did what the heck :) Demarc has been working on something like this for the past few months and will soon have a demo site up for people to take a look at our offer. But to give you the basis: - Our solutions will have about 95% of what both

Re: [WISPA] Article

Why don't y'all put the correct SUBJECT line (BS) in place on this piece of $*it thread or take it off list? All of you ought to be ashamed for feeding trolls - - hehehehehe Mac > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Rick Harnish >

[WISPA] Need 12->24 constant volt converter ASAP

I have an immediate need for a 12-24v DC converter, about 3 amps or better rating. I'm collocated at a solar-powered site (not my own) where the batteries (golf cart) float around 12 v instead of the typical 13.6v (actually banks of 2 6v batteries), but are occasionally going lower and hitting

Re: [WISPA] Article

I'm not saying we should do what Mark says, I'm not even saying Mark is right (nor am I saying the opposites), but it's a good thing we have differing views. Whether we're sheep for DC or sheep against DC, sheep for Mt. Dew or sheep against Mt. Dew, sheep are the worst thing to be. Differing p

Re: [WISPA] Article

Mark does make valid points (not all), but they're often clouded by things other people don't want to listen to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] A

Re: [WISPA] Article

I thought we all understood subtraction. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article What I'm trying to say is that an AP that is capable of 20 Mb wh

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

Forgot to mention this - this is crucial. In Wireless ISP LLC's case, they sell 2 megs, 5 megs and 10 megs. There is no point allowing a customer to burst to >2 megs when they pay for 2 megs. This gives them no reason to upgrade to the 5 or 10 package when they're package is satisfactory. My su

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

I agree, you just need to be as good as or better than the competition. And in many places the competition is still dialup. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Sh

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

I strongly believe that the customer bandwidth packages should be priced based on your (or that area's cost). I think a lot of the discussion has lost that mind set. Much of the debate here is thinking about 10 megs country wide broadband statement, 384k here or 2meg there. In my area a 2 meg pa

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

That is a reasonable thing to do. As soon as people start to use video streaming as a mass adoption, not just early adopters, the streaming movie services will turn to crap, and network operators will do just what you are proposing. Not because they want to be controlling content, but it can not b

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

I'm not sure this fixes anything either. Even if you cap people at 1Mbps, if they are watching a movie, they are using that 1Mbps for 2 hours constant. My cost on that 1Mbps is $40, the same price I am selling the service to them for... yet I have all the overhead and expenses to keep it runnin

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

I like the idea Chuck and others have used in regards to shaping. Give them a wide open connection for a short burst of time and then throttle them back to what they are paying for (say a minute or so). This will give them awesome performance for things like web pages and speed tests and most email

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

Rick, I guess the one thing I need to mention was since we started leasing, we have always had enough installs to cover the equipment we are buying. I would never buy equipment in the "hopes" that you will have customers to use it. We have done 100+ installs per month for many years, so we buy

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

Rick, Just for what it's worth, we are seeing an increase in overall usage as well. We have been in the ISP business since 1994. It was only about a year ago that we went over 100Mbps of incoming traffic during peak time... and just today, we peaked at 176Mbps. So in a year's time we increased

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

I have WRAP boards on all towers that provide limited bandwidth shaping. I just recently installed a Mikrotik firewall (and love it). It's shaping and rules cover all customers. As far as bandwidth hits, the previous owner oversold and overmarketed the amount of bandwidth in order to gain subscribe

Re: [WISPA] Too many awkward cricket chirps coming from the list...

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Austin Wright wrote: >I know this is a bit off topic as well but...Happy Holidays >everyone! Thanks for the breeze of cool air! MERRY CHRISTMAS to you! > My top three are as follows: > 1. Christmas Good. > 2. Arbor Day (I'm not a 'tree hugger' but we don't lik

Re: [WISPA] Article

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA. When I >>>think WISPA has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, >>>then I'll financially support it. When WISPA goes to washington >>>DC and represents to them, that we actually W

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

Same here so we're in sync on that. As far as leasing, I leased my initial allotment of equipment but the new sub take rate has been very unpredictable so didnt feel comfortable enough to add to the monthly lease payment. Therefore, I've been purchasing additional CPE as I add new subs. This has al

Re: [WISPA] Article

LOL Yeah. It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things eh? Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change the rules while living within the ones that exist. marlon - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISP

Re: [WISPA] Too many awkward cricket chirps coming from the list...

And all the best to you, too. - Original Message - From: "Austin Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: [WISPA] Too many awkward cricket chirps coming from the list... >I know this

[WISPA] Too many awkward cricket chirps coming from the list...

I know this is a bit off topic as well but...Happy Holidays everyone! From, The Powercode Team --Please contact me off list if you would like to argue which holiday is the best-- :) My top three are as follows: 1. Christmas 2. Arbor Day (I'm not a 'tree hugger' but we don't like

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

Will it be able to do a topographic view like delorme does as well for new customers? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process ma

Re: [WISPA] Article

It's a long and quite off topic discussion to hash this out. But to suggest that "not trusting government" is the equivalent of being an advocate to anarchy is absurd. The MOST corrupt and self serving institution in this country is Congress. After you've figured that out, it begins to make sen

Re: [WISPA] Article

Rick, if someone is really seriously interested in looking back, they can read the archives. There's little point in it, really. I've just been watching for change. There has been at least some shift over the years. - Original Message - From: "Rick

Re: [WISPA] Article

> If you're trying to convince me that DC is my friend, or that government > can > be trusted in the slightest... good luck There's a whole world history to > prove that notion the b iggest folly ever committed by man. I have to ask... do you really think Anarchy is the answer? That everything t

Re: [WISPA] Article

Mark, I would like you to further elaborate on the following comment for those who don't remember or those who were not on the list at the time. Please include the specific examples of this accusation so this person can defend what they said "in context". If that person is me, then I will clarif

Re: [WISPA] Article

Jeff, I commend you for urging us to keep an open mind and keep open to a wide range of opinions. I also agree that we should listen to the opinions of all WISPs, including current non-WISPA members. Unfortunately Mxxx's normal tone is so negative and so self-righteous and so arrogant that it

Re: [WISPA] Article

What I'm trying to say is that an AP that is capable of 20 Mb when there is only one customer must share that same 20 Mb between ALL the customers once more than one customer is connected to it. If one user draws 5 Mb continually then only 15 Mb remain to be shared with and between all the rema

Re: [WISPA] Article

- Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>And I won't be. I was once and put money

Re: [WISPA] Article

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA. When I think >WISPA has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then >I'll financially support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and >represents to them, that we actually WANT to b

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

You pay per antenna/tower, then a transformation fee from KML to Google Maps. Contact information is here: http://www.wirelessmapping.com/contact_information_for_wirelessmapping.htm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't un

Re: [WISPA] Article

>From small minds come small ideas. - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the

Re: [WISPA] Article

Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? Sheesh... -B- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think WISPA > has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll financially > support it. When WISPA goes to

Re: [WISPA] Article

And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think WISPA has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll financially support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, that we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WIS

Re: [WISPA] motorola bpl

Yes I have, Even have one installed in my house. Long Story. What is your question? Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RC Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:16 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] motorola bpl Anyone have an

Re: [WISPA] Article

Rick, (everyone) So from that statement it appears that you are not using any bandwidth limiting ore shaping at your AP or NOC. Question 1. Is that for all Client levels or just your premium service. Question 2. If you don't manage limits, was that always how you've always done it? If not what m

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

I have to agree on this. Even though finding leasing as a small ISP is _**VERY**_ difficult, it just makes sense. I have a few deals that I am cooking right now with 6 figure numbers. I was pretty shocked with these big numbers when my finance director pointed out that over 10 years, a loan on

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

Tim, Now that you have made your shameless self promotion sales pitch :-) I thought I'd scrutinize your comments, palying devils advocate :-) I have not looked at your BOSS software or Firmwre, so I am asking blind at this point. But I am interested in your perspective, since you are interest

Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues

So does that constitute a heat problem :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:20 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues > > Micro

Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues

Microsoft gets slammed a lot but my communication with them in regards to my xbox and service has been pretty good. I paid for a year of live service in January and lost my xbox in a car fire (iam8up.com/fiya) in February. They refunded the full amount. On 12/4/08, RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues

I'm not sure if it was only for a specific series, but Microsoft was extending warranties to like 3 years in preparation for the Halo 3 launch. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

The CPE is our property and it is just part of the monthly service. We don't charge extra for it (because without it, they can't have service). Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Travis, Do you lease or rent the CPE to you customers? -RickG On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Travis Johnson <[

Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues

I understand the warranty was only 90 days but they have extended it to 1 year now. Of course, my luck it would fail after 366 days! -RickG On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The warranty typically replaces the rrod boxes from what I hear. > > On 12/4/08, je

Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues

My Radio shack has these fans on clearance ($12) now for some reason. I bought one for my wife's Christmas present (XBox). Shhh, dont tell her :) -RickG On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:48 AM, jeremyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know >> p

Re: [WISPA] Article

Every SHOULD know that most connections are "shared bandwidth". The keyword is SHOULD. But, peole only hear what they want to and everyone I talk to that isnt a techie thinks they get the speed they bought for $50 or less all the time! The marketing gurus have screwed up again just like the "unlimi

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

Travis, Do you lease or rent the CPE to you customers? -RickG On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the install fee > covers your cost on every install, and you aren't "upside down" on every new >

Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues

The warranty typically replaces the rrod boxes from what I hear. On 12/4/08, jeremyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know >> problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know >> quite >> a large pool of avid gamers

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, 3-dB Networks wrote: >I think Mesa Networks former CEO (if your not familiar with our >company we are a spin off of Mesa Networks) Todd Bergstrom >attributes part of our success by leasing equipment early on as a >WISP. He wrote an article here about leasing that might chan

Re: [WISPA] Article

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Jeff Broadwick wrote: >I'll disagree with you to a point Butch. WISPA represents all >WISPs generally and it's members specifically. I don't agree with >a lot that Mark writes, but he's consistent and he challenges the >thought process. His opinions should not be weighted

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

In small business (especially growing startups that are still looking to reach that critical mass of break-even / profitability, which, I generally see in the WISP space at about 1000 customers or $50k / month in total revenue) cash is king If you look at statistics, over 80% of all small busin

Re: [WISPA] Article

I'll disagree with you to a point Butch. WISPA represents all WISPs generally and it's members specifically. I don't agree with a lot that Mark writes, but he's consistent and he challenges the thought process. His opinions should not be weighted more than a member WISP, but listening to him may

Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues

> Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know > problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know > quite > a large pool of avid gamers (unfortunately, that's ALL some of them do) > and > none have had to replace an XBox 360 (though a couple did replac

Re: [WISPA] Article

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Tom DeReggi wrote: >I am open to feedback from you, on what your opinions are, so we >can decide on a WISPA policy for those questions. Tom, don't get caught up in arguments with him. He is not a WISPA member (unless that's changed) and as such, his opinion is NOT valid in

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

Congratulations on the new digs Eje! Sorry we couldn't make the grand opening. I knew you back when it really just was Mom and Pop. It's exciting to see how far you've come in such a short time. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EM

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

Hi, Yes, you still have to pay for it... but instead of being upside down with the customer for the first 3-6 months (depending on equipment), you begin making money on that customer from day 1. So you no longer worry about "do I have enough money to buy the equipment to install that customer"

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know quite a large pool of avid gamers (unfortunately, that's ALL some of them do) and none have had to replace an XBox 360 (though a couple did replace the or

Re: [WISPA] Article

I do understand how it works. I also understand (not sure if this is what you're getting at) that an AP capable of 20 megabits to a single person may not be capable of an aggregate of 20 megabits to 30 people. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

All Ubiquiti cards up to this point, anyway, are Atheros. The difference is that with Atheros cards you can use Mikrotik's N-Streme, which can almost double capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- F

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

On the 3rd unit myself in about as many years. Don't know many Xbox users that not lost one due to the so called ring of death. The ones that haven't bought the fan kit right of the bat. The only good thing for myself is that each unit been a slight upgrade from the last one at the same or close

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

XR5's are not prism chipset they are atheros chipsets as well. 6th gen Atheros to be more exact. All Ubiquiti products are Atheros base as well so are all MikroTiks radio cards as well. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

Steve, I think Mesa Networks former CEO (if your not familiar with our company we are a spin off of Mesa Networks) Todd Bergstrom attributes part of our success by leasing equipment early on as a WISP. He wrote an article here about leasing that might change your mind. http://tinyurl.com/5uowsx

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

G is not very good on handling lot of noisy. I have bit similar problem as you in one area. Customer experience gets much better with the unit set in B mode. Higher throughput and more stable connection. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Steve Barnes" <[E

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

I am on B only. We have very noisy 2.4 and I have been told adding G to the AP and CPE just increases the noise. Is that Wrong? What will G do to my Distance customers. Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thur

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

I guess maybe I am old school but leasing the CPE just makes it so that the monthly fee has to pay the CPE cost instead of the install. You still have to pay for it. It may make cash flow easier but the ROI takes longer due to interest rates and labor dealing with lease Co. Can you help me with t