[WISPA] Part 15 Operation in the 10500 - 10550 Mhz

2010-04-19 Thread Gino Villarini
It appears that 10500 to 10550 falls under Part 15 http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=47PART=15SEC TION=245TYPE=TEXT Can it be used for PTP? Like 24 Ghz? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143

Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Operation in the 10500 - 10550 Mhz

2010-04-19 Thread Brad Belton
Funny you bring this up. I mentioned this to Trango some time ago (after they shelved their MP product) and asked if they could develop a PtMP system in the 10GHz band. They were unaware of any Part15 spectrum in 10GHz. So, the question to all our vendors today is: Is there 50MHz Part15

[WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

2010-04-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

2010-04-19 Thread Rubens Kuhl
That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS

[WISPA] Part 15 Operation in the 10500 - 10550 Mhz

2010-04-19 Thread Gino Villarini
It appears that 10500 to 10550 falls under Part 15 http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=47PART=15SEC TION=245TYPE=TEXT Can it be used for PTP? Like 24 Ghz? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

2010-04-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my

Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-19 Thread Robert West
I've been using power injectors from Valemount, around five bucks, and a variable universal power supply, high wattage, found at Walmart, Radio shack or whatever. I've tried to do the voltage loss calculations but they never seem to be right so I start low and jack it up until it's stable. Then

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

2010-04-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

2010-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett
It's probably the same math that lets you put 10,000 15 meg customers on a single 3.5 MHz channel. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

2010-04-19 Thread Rubens Kuhl
There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness system based on

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

2010-04-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
All I can say is that the effects of a lower modulated customer on my alvarion system seem to have a more profound impact on the system than what I have seen so far on 3.65. Granted I've only had the wimax up for 8 months and that's the only data I have to go on. Sent from my iPhone On Apr

Re: [WISPA] Switch recommendations

2010-04-19 Thread David E. Smith
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 17:41, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I had a Dell PowerConnect 3048 die on me today... I owned it for probably 6 years and only paid $150 for it. Recommendations for a reasonably priced managed 48 port switch? Doesn't have to be new. Recommendations to

Re: [WISPA] Switch recommendations

2010-04-19 Thread Brad Belton
Agreed. Stick with what works for you. If you've been happy with Dell then why change? We've been very happy with our Dell switches. HP switches are also great, but we've settled on Dell. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?

2010-04-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
I guess the other situation that I am not taking into account is that because of no interference every other sub I have is modulating at qam 64 3/4 and packet loss is sitting at 0.004% instead of what the alvarion 900 deals with. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Rubens Kuhl

Re: [WISPA] Internet for festival: Laptop/PDA signal strength?

2010-04-19 Thread jp
I would suggest checking with the organizers to see if they want basic/free/cheap or really nice with cost. They may have big dreams and will seek a way to make it happen in conjuction with you for reasonable money. I don't do free festivals or events. I give away enough every month to regular

Re: [WISPA] Switch recommendations

2010-04-19 Thread jp
procurve 2650 is exactly what you are asking for. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 05:41:18PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I had a Dell PowerConnect 3048 die on me today... I owned it for probably 6 years and only paid $150 for it. Recommendations for a reasonably priced managed 48 port switch?

Re: [WISPA] Internet for festival: Laptop/PDA signal strength?

2010-04-19 Thread Charles Hooper
Ahh, I emailed the organizers about a week ago. I just heard back a moment ago; they don't need it so it's not something they want to deal with. Bummer! :-\ Thank you everyone for your suggestions! jp wrote: I would suggest checking with the organizers to see if they want basic/free/cheap

Re: [WISPA] When to route?

2010-04-19 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
We have 1000 customers, split on switched VLANs between three geographic regions. I'd say we have half of the customers on one of those VLANs. We do supply consumer routers with our service, but as was mentioned, they get plugged in backwards, people bypass them, install their own, etc. It's

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at

[WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Kevin Sullivan
We'd like to start offering VoIP to our wireless customers, and we've taken a look at a couple of packaged soultions like NetSapiens. What is everyone else using? We'd like to start at a lower $$ than the $17,000 that we've been hearing from the packaged deals. Kevin

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I use a wholesale account. You do the provisioning for each customer, the management company does the origination, termination, making the switch work, upgrades, etc. If you have someone that can spend their time provisioning phones and call flow and are interested shoot me a message off list.

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Ipifony is a WISPA vendor member with a similar solution to the NetSapiens platform. There will be startup costs. If you're looking to offer voice services without big startup costs, you should probably investigate a white label VoIP service. I've been using Vox for several years now and have

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: Ipifony is a WISPA vendor member with a similar solution to the NetSapiens platform. There will be startup costs. If you're looking to offer voice services without big startup

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
That is absolutely wrong. It was a Razr. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Jeremie

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Jayson Baker
Roll you own. We have PRI's at our tower sites (at least the primary sites), and redundant Asterisk switches. The switches have a VLAN, which is common throughout the entire network down to the ATA/IP Phone. VoIP doesn't touch any router. The ATA at customers house is on the same VLAN as the

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
How much is a PRI for each tower? What is the ATA connecting to? I've tried Asterisk and there is absolutely no comparison versus my current platform in simplicity. Way too much work and cost in my opinion... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy,

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Jayson Baker
PRI is something like $600/mo. On one particularly busy site we have about 200 users on it, and never seen it go above 12 active channels. The ATA connects to the antenna. In our case, most are UBNT units. The UBNT does PPPoE and NAT for the customer, but VLAN 999 is passed straight through.

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
The software costs nothing but you have to pay for that hardware. Then maintain it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-19 Thread Jayson Baker
Weird. We use the Rocket APs and Nano5M CPE's heavily and for a TON of VoIP. No problems. Occasionally we'll see PPPoE re-connect, but since we VLAN the VoIP straight through, it's unaffected. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:10 AM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote:

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Nick Olsen
Asterisk will run on any old thing you've got laying around. Obviously you'll want to put a little bit of money in to something new and reliable for production use. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-19 Thread Nick Olsen
My god, Why am I just finding these now Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-19 Thread Jerry Richardson
BEHOLD! THE POWER OF THE LIST -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison My god, Why am I just finding

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-19 Thread Michael Baird
Isn't faxxbochs just a SIP ATA that does t.38? Regards Michael Baird Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
No. It is a thin client. Basically what happens is the thin client acts like a receiving fax machine. So when you send a fax the thin client receives it, converts it into a file that it sends out to an analog fax server on the other end that forwards it on to the receiving fax. So

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-19 Thread Steven Barnes
Then if that is how it works what if you have a wrong number of a transition error do you get notification of the issue. What about international faxing? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent:

[WISPA] 8 port pci ?

2010-04-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
Does anyone know of an 8 port PCI Express Ethernet card? While we can do some vlanning - there is an express reason asking for this monster. Thanks _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com

Re: [WISPA] 8 port pci ?

2010-04-19 Thread Brad Belton
We use the Silicom six port PCI Express cards with great success. I've never seen a NIC with more than six ports. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:13 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] 8 port pci ?

2010-04-19 Thread Gino Villarini
Biggest I'seen is 6 port by Silicom Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:13 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Joe Fiero
Contact WISPA member - VoX Communications Been using them for almost 3 years. Excellent dial tone replacement product. Great margins, great order entry support. No issue whatsoever over our SkyPilot mesh networks. Not a single voice complaint.Wish I could say the same for the wireless

Re: [WISPA] 8 port pci ?

2010-04-19 Thread Steven Barnes
6 is the most that you could physically get in a Normal Expansion slot on a x86 case. Standard slot 10cm, rj45 jack 1.5cm. 10/1.5 6.66 Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010

Re: [WISPA] 8 port pci ?

2010-04-19 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:13, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Does anyone know of an 8 port PCI Express Ethernet card? While we can do some vlanning - there is an express reason asking for this monster. You can't fit more than six ports on the end of a PCI slot - unless someone

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
It does not use the t.38 protocol but rather a proprietary protocol per VoIP Supply sales person. If it's a thin client it stresses isn't t.38 even more. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal:

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread RickG
Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
I hve quite a few of these deployed. The only time they don't work is if someone dials the wrong number or forgets to dial the area code. It supposedly will even work over satellite connections. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

[WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Ryan Ghering
We've had this happen a efw times and its very time consuming to find and stop. I.e the customer plays with cables and ens up sending DHCP into the network anyone know of a way with mikrotik routers to stop this, we use mikrotik for our core router and tower side bridges, I'd love to put a

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Charles Hooper
Block incoming port 68/udp from clients? Since DHCP uses 67/udp to communicate with the server then this should pretty much guarantee that your clients can't send DHCPOFFERs. -- Charles Ryan Ghering wrote: We've had this happen a efw times and its very time consuming to find and stop. I.e

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
On their website it says 30/mo for terrestrial connections and 50/mo for satellite. The manufacturer says with 600ms latency you will need the higher package. Not sure how they differentiate but I doubt the product trying to work with 50-400ms connections is ever going to work on a 600-1500ms

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Charles Hooper
Some alternatives exist as well, such as blocking the MAC addresses of the LAN ports of the router at your APs. You could do this at the switch level with something like port security, or with an ACL/firewall rules. Charles Hooper wrote: Block incoming port 68/udp from clients? Since DHCP

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Rubens Kuhl
These are filters that I've designed for AirOS 3.x (Ubiquiti) but you can get the general idea which is to allow only unicast traffic and specific broadcast traffic, and then drop everything else. Rules are backward enumerated and the idea is to have the unicast traffic as the first match.

Re: [WISPA] 8 port pci ?

2010-04-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
yeah - bet your right - thanks hoping to help a friend set something up - but they are vlan scared... a network bridged with over 700 customers is not fun Someone told me someone on the list has a tshirt that says Friends dont let Friends bridge networks - i love that trying to help

Re: [WISPA] 8 port pci ?

2010-04-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
Which card what vendor are you using did a quick froogle on it - did not find much PEG6i6 ? On Apr 19, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Brad Belton wrote: We use the Silicom six port PCI Express cards with great success. I've never seen a NIC with more than six ports. Best, Brad

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Ryan Spott
If you are working with Tranzeo gear they have a block reverse DHCP on their newest firmware. According to the engineers I talked to, this took some doing to get right. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: We've had this happen a efw times and its very

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
Block port 67 - DCHP. Blocking Mac address may help - but could prove difficult just because of how dhcp works - as they are broadcasts On Apr 19, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: We've had this happen a efw times and its very time consuming to find and stop. I.e the customer plays

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Charles Hooper
Glenn Kelley wrote: Block port 67 - DCHP. Blocking Mac address may help - but could prove difficult just because of how dhcp works - as they are broadcasts They are broadcasts, but source MAC is still set. IIRC, the DHCP client broadcasts a DISCOVER request, and each server will send a

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Chuck Hogg
Create a bridge filter in the MikroTik to stop it from happening. There's a wiki on how to do this below. http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Bridge_Filter_-_Blocking_DHCP_Traffic Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Robert West
Depends on how far apart your backhauls are going to be. I went to the Ubiquiti Bullets and a pacific wireless grid at 5GHz for up to 15 miles. Some of the Nanos and Airgrids can be used for closer range. As far as Mimo, if you are looking to push more than 70+ mbps through a backhaul, you may

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Dennis Burgess
We always put our Customer CPEs in Router mode. Never have the problem :) You can make your DHCP Authoritive, or have your RouterOS e-mail you when another DHCP server is detected. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer,

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Robert West
Sorry, saw you were talking clients. What I see as the plus on the client side is using dual polarity sectors then even if I am using a single polarity cpe, such as an airgrid, I can rotate it and possibly catch a better signal. For the dual polarity Nanos, I've seen a cleaner signal and more

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Robert West
I put all the subs in router mode as well and have them pull from a different subnet. That also allows me to use only a hub instead of a router inside the structure if it's to all be wired. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Dennis Burgess
yep, only way to go. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Jayson Baker
True. But it doesn't take much. We have a bunch of P4 2.4GHz/1GB RAM machines that are old by todays standards, but run Asterisk just fine with never more than about 10% CPU load during peak hours. As long as you don't transcode, you could even run it on a Linksys WRT54G router with Linux

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Eric Rogers
Try this if your CPEs are bridging: -- /interface bridge filter add action=log chain=forward comment=Block DHCP Servers from ETH1 disabled=no in-interface=ether1 ip-protocol=udp log-prefix=DHCP: mac-protocol=ip packet-type=broadcast src-port=67 add action=drop chain=forward comment=

Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand

2010-04-19 Thread Jayson Baker
We have hundreds of legacy 802.11a/g UBNT equipment deployed in Colorado and Costa Rica. In Colorado we offer 12Mbps/6Mbps service over 802.11g--it works great. We use NS2 and PS2 as AP, MT behind that to do things like QoS/routing. Latency does spike and is not consistent. We have seen no

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity VLAN Capability

2010-04-19 Thread Jayson Baker
You can telnet into the unit and run vconfig to do whatever kind of VLAN'ing you want. This is what we do, via an rc. script put in the /etc/persistent directory. Check the forum. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Tracy Tippett tracytipp...@swiftwireless.com wrote: Has anyone had experience

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity VLAN Capability

2010-04-19 Thread Rubens Kuhl
And what about associating SSIDs with VLANs ? Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: You can telnet into the unit and run vconfig to do whatever kind of VLAN'ing you want.  This is what we do, via an rc. script put in the /etc/persistent

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. I've used Arc

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I'm not suggesting you need a high end machine but rather you need to make sure that box is working. When it comes to someones phone calls the last thing I want to be the case is the garage sale PC at the tower has a hardware problem. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Jayson Baker
MIMO/802.11N on MT sucks. Use UBNT. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Jayson Baker
So put 2 garage sale PC's at the tower. :-) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I'm not suggesting you need a high end machine but rather you need to make sure that box is working. When it comes to someones phone calls the last thing I want to be

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
All of this is way more work then I want to do for VoIP, especially when we're already at 600/mo for a PRI!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”

Re: [WISPA] VoIP

2010-04-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
If you want to do voip I would start out with a wholesale solution. Vox is a wispa member and does a pretty good job. I sell to business only so my per line charge is much higher than residential. It takes way to many residential lines to make any money. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19,

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Mark Dueck
On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link,

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Wireless cards? OH MY GOD YES. For a backhaul or AP there is no doubt about it. Every day I find something else to complain about the r5*/r2* cards. The overall quality is on par with the price, but it's the little things. Like removing 5/10mhz channel support on the card but allowing it in

[WISPA] PTP 400 laying around

2010-04-19 Thread Marco Coelho
Does anyone have one side of a PTP400 laying around they want to sell? Connect version (non-integrated) preferred. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Jayson Baker
If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Robert West
I found that out as well. Even with the CPE use, I saw the signal fluctuating way too much. I had 2 subs connecting to the same AP and close to the same distance out. The UBNT 2.4 card outperformed the MT card hands down. Not at first, on the initial install it all looked good but in a few

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Forbes Mercy
I have lots of MT AP's, in fact most of them are, I do use a couple of UBNT AP (and I'm talking about 2.4, almost all of my 5GHZ AP's are UBNT). The thing I hate is the ACL list which I can't put in the customer name and IP so I can easily diagnosis it. I guess it's forcing me to put up a

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Mark Dueck
That brings me to another question. So far I've just been putting manaul IP, no DHCP. I've been looking at putting up a radius server, but don't quite see how I can setup the clients. How is this done? the Tranzeo clients have no radius client configuration. Or is there not a need to

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I really prefer MT APs to Ubnt APs. On 4/19/10, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: That brings me to another question. So far I've just been putting manaul IP, no DHCP. I've been looking at putting up a radius server, but don't quite see how I can setup the clients. How is this done? the

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Stuart Pierce
If you are going to use a Tik box as the AP or the backend, set up a hotspot service. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:15 -0600 That brings me to another

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Chuck Hogg
In hindsight, I think we would have tried to do PPPoE on our network instead of routing. The primary reason is Management and Billing, and then we'd also not have to setup special firewall rules on our routed clients for their public ip address. Then for our in-town hotspots our customers could

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Mark Dueck
So are you saying that if I do PPPoE, and have routing at the CPE device, I don't really need to do routing between towers? Is there any point in having IP ranges per location if using PPPoE, or is it not even possible then? On 04/19/2010 04:29 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: In hindsight, I think we

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I've tried hotspot and it's pretty painful to manage and keep working some times. On 4/19/10, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: If you are going to use a Tik box as the AP or the backend, set up a hotspot service. -- Original Message -- From:

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Chuck Hogg
Correct. Depends on your situation, you can still do IP ranges...setup a PPPoE concentrator per tower, and assign an IP range for that concentrator. Really it is up to you. You could PPPoE tunnel all the way back to your core (I don't think I'd advise that, if you have multiple wireless

Re: [WISPA] 8 port pci ?

2010-04-19 Thread Robert West
Does it have to work? :) I can make anything. - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:13 PM Subject: [WISPA] 8 port pci ? Does anyone know of an 8 port PCI Express Ethernet card? While we

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread Robert West
I trust my kids yet... Hey, didn't I have some twenty's in my wallet? Where did those twenty's go...? What goes around, comes around! - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday,

Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

2010-04-19 Thread Robert West
Information is over rated. Go with your gut feeling and adjust as needed. - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards? I am just platform

Re: [WISPA] Internet for festival: Laptop/PDA signal strength?

2010-04-19 Thread Mike
If cost is their issue, consider revising your plan. I have found that festivals and things like farmers markets are a wonderful place to market. I have a trailer set up with a solar panel that keeps a deep cycle battery charged. I can put it in place then push up a fiberglass pole to connect

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Robert West
I swapped out my last MT as backhaul and am now all UBNT witth that. UBNT is a cheap and simple plug and play system so it has worked more than well for us for backhaul duty. MT is now used for the odd stuff where we need to config a special use. - Original Message - From: Jayson

Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP

2010-04-19 Thread Robert West
HA! That was a head scratcher for me too. A nice email to the company over that. No response, as anticipated. AND I WANT MY SERIAL PORT SENSING BACK1 :) B0b- - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread RickG
Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids.  This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs.  Been offered

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread RickG
Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
It is dated but that's is what I believe. Society most definitely disagrees with that. Hopefully you don't come to regret those words some day :) On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the

Re: [WISPA] Internet for festival: Laptop/PDA signal strength?

2010-04-19 Thread Charles Hooper
I like your thoughts. Cost wasn't the issue - we hadn't even talked numbers. I basically introduced myself and they told me that they weren't interested. Gotta be honest though, the lady on the phone sounded pretty old school - called my email a letter ;) I'm considering doing something

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread Ryan Spott
Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal:

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