Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

77?  You just be a kid!  J  (Wife #3 was a '77 model..  I returned her)

 

1962, had to be content with red boxing and phone phreaking for way too
long.  The original  Apple Mac was a god send!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 1:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

So my first (I was born in 1977) was a Apple II (I was like 4 when I got to
play with it...)

We had an Atari VCS as well...

A TRS-80 Color Computer (thought this was the bomb!)

Then we had the good ol' Commodore 64

My uncle loved macs and had am original Apple Macintosh (never liked it, and
my dad and I called him weird)

I remember when my school was donated Apple III's in 1st grade, which were
upgraded to Apple IIGS

We had an IBM ThinkPad as well


Regards,

Chuck



On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

It is indeed one speedy sob.  My first users group meeting with it..(was
like AA but without the fun) it was a total babe magnet..  not me though.
Stick that with a USR 9600 baud modem...  Smokin'!!!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bobby Burrow
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 12:58 AM


To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

Compaq, gotta love it. That one has the whopping fast 4.77MHz CPU and 768k
of RAM... I had a similar Kaypro 'portable'. Not sure where they got the
portable from, but it did have a handle...

 

Bobby

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

Uh  Dude, I actually owned one of THESE and back in the day  I was
the DUDE!  Now I'm just the OLD dude who is court ordered to stay away
within 1000 feet of the local high school... sad

 

http://oldcomputers.net/compaqi.html

 

Still have it by the way.  Along with my still working 1984 Apple Mac!

 

I have no life

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green
screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.

On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 

Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is
what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents
actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone
remember Kaypro & WordStar?).

 

I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I
didn't execute.  Oh well.

- Original Message - 

From: Scott Carullo   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it
in.  It figures out what to do where...  

They can call it AIRverywhere

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102



 


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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List"   
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

FYI

 

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

 

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

 

Just sharing.

 

Me-

 

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Chuck Hogg]

So my first (I was born in 1977) was a Apple II (I was like 4 when I got to
play with it...)
We had an Atari VCS as well...
A TRS-80 Color Computer (thought this was the bomb!)
Then we had the good ol' Commodore 64
My uncle loved macs and had am original Apple Macintosh (never liked it, and
my dad and I called him weird)
I remember when my school was donated Apple III's in 1st grade, which were
upgraded to Apple IIGS
We had an IBM ThinkPad as well

Regards,

Chuck


On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Robert West wrote:

> It is indeed one speedy sob.  My first users group meeting with it….(was
> like AA but without the fun) it was a total babe magnet……  not me though.
> Stick that with a USR 9600 baud modem…..  Smokin’!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Bobby Burrow
> *Sent:* Friday, November 12, 2010 12:58 AM
>
> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> Compaq, gotta love it. That one has the whopping fast 4.77MHz CPU and 768k
> of RAM... I had a similar Kaypro 'portable'. Not sure where they got the
> portable from, but it did have a handle...
>
>
>
> Bobby
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Robert West
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:30 PM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> Uh……….  Dude, I actually owned one of THESE and back in the day……..  I was
> the DUDE!  Now I’m just the OLD dude who is court ordered to stay away
> within 1000 feet of the local high school….. sad
>
>
>
> http://oldcomputers.net/compaqi.html
>
>
>
> Still have it by the way.  Along with my still working 1984 Apple Mac!
>
>
>
> I have no life
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:16 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay
> baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green
> screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.
>
> On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
>
> Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is
> what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents
> actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone
> remember Kaypro & WordStar?).
>
>
>
> I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it
> WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I
> didn't execute.  Oh well.
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Scott Carullo 
>
> *To:* WISPA General List 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...
>
> Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it
> in.  It figures out what to do where...
>
> They can call it AIRverywhere
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
> --
>
> *From*: "Robert West" 
> *Sent*: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
> *To*: "WISPA General List"  
> *Subject*: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
> lesson learned the hard way………  But the latest includes channel hopping and
> Auto channel.  I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every
> couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
> my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been
> SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
> busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
> random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
> interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
> went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
> links……..  I call this one a WIN!
>
>
>
> As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It’s about time!  J
>
>
>
> Just sharing.
>
>
>
> Me-
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

It is indeed one speedy sob.  My first users group meeting with it..(was
like AA but without the fun) it was a total babe magnet..  not me though.
Stick that with a USR 9600 baud modem...  Smokin'!!!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bobby Burrow
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 12:58 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

Compaq, gotta love it. That one has the whopping fast 4.77MHz CPU and 768k
of RAM... I had a similar Kaypro 'portable'. Not sure where they got the
portable from, but it did have a handle...

 

Bobby

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

Uh  Dude, I actually owned one of THESE and back in the day  I was
the DUDE!  Now I'm just the OLD dude who is court ordered to stay away
within 1000 feet of the local high school... sad

 

http://oldcomputers.net/compaqi.html

 

Still have it by the way.  Along with my still working 1984 Apple Mac!

 

I have no life

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green
screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.

On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 

Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is
what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents
actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone
remember Kaypro & WordStar?).

 

I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I
didn't execute.  Oh well.

- Original Message - 

From: Scott Carullo   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it
in.  It figures out what to do where...  

They can call it AIRverywhere

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 


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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List"   
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

FYI

 

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

 

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

 

Just sharing.

 

Me-

 


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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Robert West]

The TOS and whom owns what pretty much covers it all for me.  Contract
hidden inside!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 12:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

 

Contracts are never for the client.

They are always to protect you - the seller.

 

Without a contract - if a business comes and states that you are responsible
for a loss of business - you might think twice. 

Verbal contracts are only as good as the paper they are written on. 

 

Just ask Judge Joe Brown ;-) 

 

Funny part is - Most business clients want a contract. 

Even for our hosting customers its the same. 

 

Go figure

 

 

On Nov 12, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Robert West wrote:





Been there.  Found that customers were increasingly "aggravated" with
contracts.  Turned it all upside down and now I only have them sign a combo
TOS and the equipment is ours and we can come and go to service it at will.
I give a spiel of how "contracts are BS because if someone wants you to sign
a contract, they must know something that you don't  We're family and
you are now part of it.  If you don't like the service, call me..  yada,
yada, yada.  We all bond and it's all good.

 

Works for us and we become the rebels against the contract pushers.  (It's
all marketing)

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Rodgers
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:39 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Service contracts

 

For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2 year
term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating this.  One
barrier for us has been the length of time it takes from contract creation
to customer returning it.  With our current situation "striking while the
iron is hot" is not possible as it could take a couple of weeks for the
agreement to be returned.  It is also intimidating at 6 pages long.

So...a couple questions

-How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
-What does your process look like
-Do your installers get the paperwork signed
-What advantages are there to a term agreement

Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference the
Terms of Service on our website.  When the new customer calls we can
schedule them right on the spot and send the paperwork with the installer.
Anything you see as a disadvantage with this?

Any input is appreciated!

-- 
Jeremy J. Rodgers 
Sales Manager 
OnlyInternet Broadband and Wireless
O: 260.827.2234 
O: 800.363.0989 
F: 260.824.9624 

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

Same here.  Long hours typing in the code for that damn lunar lander game
and what happens?  The tape gets stretched  Nice.  And they were
OFFICIAL TRS-80 tapes!   HA!!!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

Tom, it gets better as I go back further in time. I had to use a cassette
tape for storage with my TRS-80 - no floppy ;)

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Tom DeReggi 
wrote:

WOW, 10MB hard drive, you had the good stuff.  My Laptop only had  Floppy
drives. One for the OS, and one for data..

 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: RickG   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:33 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)

My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable 

It was really cool but weighed as much as sewing machine which was the term
we gave it.

-RickG

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:

My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green
screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg. 



On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 

Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is
what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents
actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone
remember Kaypro & WordStar?).

 

I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I
didn't execute.  Oh well.

- Original Message - 

From: Scott Carullo   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it
in.  It figures out what to do where...  

They can call it AIRverywhere

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 


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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List"   
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

FYI

 

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

 

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

 

Just sharing.

 

Me-

 

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

I had to have the Trash 80...  always hated that  But still use it.. Had
to have it cause of the voice synthesizer unit.  Had WAY too much fun making
prank calls with the computer talking in that "Steven Hawking" voice.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

I remember that! It was nice but expensive for a high school kid which is
what I was in '79. Of course the darn TRS-80 took all my savings but I had
to have it :)

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

The first system I owned...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NorthStar_Horizon

On 11/11/2010 8:57 PM, RickG wrote: 

The VIC-20 was my second computer. This was my first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80 

4k ram :)

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20

But it didn't have a screen :( 

 

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:33 PM, RickG  wrote:

LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)

My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable 

It was really cool but weighed as much as sewing machine which was the term
we gave it.

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

My first was..

 

Get ready.

 

http://oldcomputers.net/heathkit-h8.html

 

YES!  Heath Kit H8.  

 

I'm such a geek.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:58 PM
To: ro...@g5i.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

The VIC-20 was my second computer. This was my first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80

4k ram :)

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20

But it didn't have a screen :(

 

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:33 PM, RickG  wrote:

LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)

My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable

It was really cool but weighed as much as sewing machine which was the term
we gave it.

-RickG

 






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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Bobby Burrow]

Compaq, gotta love it. That one has the whopping fast 4.77MHz CPU and 768k
of RAM... I had a similar Kaypro 'portable'. Not sure where they got the
portable from, but it did have a handle...

 

Bobby

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

Uh  Dude, I actually owned one of THESE and back in the day  I was
the DUDE!  Now I'm just the OLD dude who is court ordered to stay away
within 1000 feet of the local high school... sad

 

http://oldcomputers.net/compaqi.html

 

Still have it by the way.  Along with my still working 1984 Apple Mac!

 

I have no life

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green
screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.

On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 

Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is
what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents
actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone
remember Kaypro & WordStar?).

 

I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I
didn't execute.  Oh well.

- Original Message - 

From: Scott Carullo   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it
in.  It figures out what to do where...  

They can call it AIRverywhere

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 


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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List"   
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

FYI

 

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

 

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

 

Just sharing.

 

Me-

 


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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

I win.  HA!

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)

My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable

It was really cool but weighed as much as sewing machine which was the term
we gave it.

-RickG

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:

My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green
screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.



On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 

Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is
what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents
actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone
remember Kaypro & WordStar?).

 

I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I
didn't execute.  Oh well.

- Original Message - 

From: Scott Carullo   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it
in.  It figures out what to do where...  

They can call it AIRverywhere

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 


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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List"   
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

FYI

 

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

 

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

 

Just sharing.

 

Me-

 

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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Glenn Kelley]

Contracts are never for the client.
They are always to protect you - the seller.

Without a contract - if a business comes and states that you are responsible 
for a loss of business - you might think twice. 
Verbal contracts are only as good as the paper they are written on. 

Just ask Judge Joe Brown ;-) 

Funny part is - Most business clients want a contract. 
Even for our hosting customers its the same. 

Go figure


On Nov 12, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Been there.  Found that customers were increasingly “aggravated” with 
> contracts.  Turned it all upside down and now I only have them sign a combo 
> TOS and the equipment is ours and we can come and go to service it at will.  
> I give a spiel of how “contracts are BS because if someone wants you to sign 
> a contract, they must know something that you don’t……….  We’re family and you 
> are now part of it.  If you don’t like the service, call me……  yada, yada, 
> yada.  We all bond and it’s all good.
>  
> Works for us and we become the rebels against the contract pushers.  (It’s 
> all marketing)
>  
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jeremy Rodgers
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:39 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Service contracts
>  
> For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2 year 
> term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating this.  One barrier 
> for us has been the length of time it takes from contract creation to 
> customer returning it.  With our current situation "striking while the iron 
> is hot" is not possible as it could take a couple of weeks for the agreement 
> to be returned.  It is also intimidating at 6 pages long.
> 
> So...a couple questions
> 
> -How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
> -What does your process look like
> -Do your installers get the paperwork signed
> -What advantages are there to a term agreement
> 
> Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference the Terms 
> of Service on our website.  When the new customer calls we can schedule them 
> right on the spot and send the paperwork with the installer.  Anything you 
> see as a disadvantage with this?
> 
> Any input is appreciated!
> -- 
> Jeremy J. Rodgers 
> Sales Manager 
> OnlyInternet Broadband and Wireless
> O: 260.827.2234 
> O: 800.363.0989 
> F: 260.824.9624 
> 
> "…But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Robert West]

Been there.  Found that customers were increasingly "aggravated" with
contracts.  Turned it all upside down and now I only have them sign a combo
TOS and the equipment is ours and we can come and go to service it at will.
I give a spiel of how "contracts are BS because if someone wants you to sign
a contract, they must know something that you don't  We're family and
you are now part of it.  If you don't like the service, call me..  yada,
yada, yada.  We all bond and it's all good.

 

Works for us and we become the rebels against the contract pushers.  (It's
all marketing)

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Rodgers
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:39 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Service contracts

 

For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2 year
term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating this.  One
barrier for us has been the length of time it takes from contract creation
to customer returning it.  With our current situation "striking while the
iron is hot" is not possible as it could take a couple of weeks for the
agreement to be returned.  It is also intimidating at 6 pages long.

So...a couple questions

-How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
-What does your process look like
-Do your installers get the paperwork signed
-What advantages are there to a term agreement

Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference the
Terms of Service on our website.  When the new customer calls we can
schedule them right on the spot and send the paperwork with the installer.
Anything you see as a disadvantage with this?

Any input is appreciated!

-- 
Jeremy J. Rodgers 
Sales Manager 
OnlyInternet Broadband and Wireless
O: 260.827.2234 
O: 800.363.0989 
F: 260.824.9624 

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

Uh  Dude, I actually owned one of THESE and back in the day  I was
the DUDE!  Now I'm just the OLD dude who is court ordered to stay away
within 1000 feet of the local high school... sad

 

http://oldcomputers.net/compaqi.html

 

Still have it by the way.  Along with my still working 1984 Apple Mac!

 

I have no life

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green
screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.

On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 

Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is
what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents
actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone
remember Kaypro & WordStar?).

 

I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I
didn't execute.  Oh well.

- Original Message - 

From: Scott Carullo   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it
in.  It figures out what to do where...  

They can call it AIRverywhere

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 


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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List"   
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

FYI

 

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

 

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

 

Just sharing.

 

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Jeromie Reeves]

I know someone who did have a 8-Track data setup. Home built and used 2 or 3
heads from cassette units. That is one of the key points they brought me
into computers in the early 80's.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

>  Gotta luv the data cassette tape. Portable storage, even fit in shirt
> pocket. It could have been worse, it could have been bulky 8-track :-)
>
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* RickG 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:43 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
> Tom, it gets better as I go back further in time. I had to use a cassette
> tape for storage with my TRS-80 - no floppy ;)
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>
>>  WOW, 10MB hard drive, you had the good stuff.  My Laptop only had
>> Floppy drives. One for the OS, and one for data..
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* RickG 
>> *To:* WISPA General List 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:33 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>>
>> LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)
>> My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable
>> It was really cool but weighed
>> as much as sewing machine which was the term we gave it.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Forbes Mercy <
>> forbes.me...@wabroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay
>>> baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green
>>> screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
>>>
>>> Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is
>>> what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents
>>> actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone
>>> remember Kaypro & WordStar?).
>>>
>>> I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it
>>> WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I
>>> didn't execute.  Oh well.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Scott Carullo 
>>> *To:* WISPA General List 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>>>
>>> I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...
>>>
>>> Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug
>>> it in.  It figures out what to do where...
>>>
>>> They can call it AIRverywhere
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Technical Operations
>>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: "Robert West" 
>>> *Sent*: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
>>> *To*: "WISPA General List"  
>>> *Subject*: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>>>
>>>  FYI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
>>> lesson learned the hard way………  But the latest includes channel hopping and
>>> Auto channel.  I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every
>>> couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
>>> my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been
>>> SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
>>> busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
>>> random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
>>> interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
>>> went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
>>> links……..  I call this one a WIN!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It’s about time!
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just sharing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Me-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Butch Evans]

On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 21:43 -0500, RickG wrote:
> Tom, it gets better as I go back further in time. I had to use a
> cassette tape for storage with my TRS-80 - no floppy ;)

I remember those days.  The cassette was a MAJOR upgrade for me.  I
recall spending hours writing a program one time and my brother came by
and unplugged the computer!  After that, I was careful to leave a note
until I got the storage.  WHAT a GREAT upgrade that was!

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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Are you talking about hunt groups? If so it works identical to Att. Say a 
business has a main line and 3 roll over lines. If someone calls the main line 
and it is busy it automatically rolls to line 2 or 3 or 4. No waiting. If there 
is no answer on any of the rollover lines it will roll back to the main line 
voice mail.  

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch  wrote:

> How do you handle the line pool problem? It's the only issue keeping me from 
> going to Vox for business customers-most businesses have multiple lines where 
> a customer calls in and gets whatever line is free in the pool. Vox can do 
> line forwarding, but that means the customer has to call the first line in 
> the forwarding sequence and there's a delay while each line is found to be 
> busy before it's forwarded (I assume), so it isn't the same as normal line 
> pool.
> 
> Would love a practical solution to this problem.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> 
>> Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal. 
>> Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our 
>> lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have 
>> our company name. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
>>> are not the provider?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
 Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
 business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a 
 call from anyone complaining about voice quality b
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
 On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
 
> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
> provider?
> 
> Thanks-
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> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
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>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
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>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, 
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>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

You have to get them to enable hunting. It's not the same as forwarding. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch  wrote:

> How do you handle the line pool problem? It's the only issue keeping me from 
> going to Vox for business customers-most businesses have multiple lines where 
> a customer calls in and gets whatever line is free in the pool. Vox can do 
> line forwarding, but that means the customer has to call the first line in 
> the forwarding sequence and there's a delay while each line is found to be 
> busy before it's forwarded (I assume), so it isn't the same as normal line 
> pool.
> 
> Would love a practical solution to this problem.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> 
>> Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal. 
>> Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our 
>> lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have 
>> our company name. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
>>> are not the provider?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
 Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
 business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a 
 call from anyone complaining about voice quality b
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
 On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
 
> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
> provider?
> 
> Thanks-
> Ryan
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> 
>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, 
>>> etc.  What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Chuck Bartosch]

How do you handle the line pool problem? It's the only issue keeping me from 
going to Vox for business customers-most businesses have multiple lines where a 
customer calls in and gets whatever line is free in the pool. Vox can do line 
forwarding, but that means the customer has to call the first line in the 
forwarding sequence and there's a delay while each line is found to be busy 
before it's forwarded (I assume), so it isn't the same as normal line pool.

Would love a practical solution to this problem.

Chuck

On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

> Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal. 
> Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our 
> lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have 
> our company name. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone4
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:
> 
>> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
>> are not the provider?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
>>> business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a call 
>>> from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>>> 
 Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
 provider?
 
 Thanks-
 Ryan
 
 
 
 On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
 
> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone4
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  
> wrote:
> 
>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc. 
>>  What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Tom DeReggi]

Gotta luv the data cassette tape. Portable storage, even fit in shirt pocket. 
It could have been worse, it could have been bulky 8-track :-)  



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  - Original Message - 
  From: RickG 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  Tom, it gets better as I go back further in time. I had to use a cassette 
tape for storage with my TRS-80 - no floppy ;)


  On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Tom DeReggi  
wrote:

WOW, 10MB hard drive, you had the good stuff.  My Laptop only had  Floppy 
drives. One for the OS, and one for data..

Tom DeReggi
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  - Original Message - 
  From: RickG 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)
  My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable 
  It was really cool but weighed as much as sewing machine which was the 
term we gave it.
  -RickG


  On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Forbes Mercy 
 wrote:

My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay 
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green screen 
with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg. 


On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 
  Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you 
see is what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents 
actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone remember 
Kaypro & WordStar?).

  I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I 
called it WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a 
qua-jillionaire but I didn't execute.  Oh well.
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Carullo 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install 
feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and 
plug it in.  It figures out what to do where...  

They can call it AIRverywhere


Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102






From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


FYI



I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale 
deployment, lesson learned the hard way………  But the latest includes channel 
hopping and Auto channel.  I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and 
every couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much 
all my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been 
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy 
for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too random for 
me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My interference 
is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an 
average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all links……..  I call 
this one a WIN!



As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It’s about 
time!  J



Just sharing.



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[RickG]

Tom, it gets better as I go back further in time. I had to use a cassette
tape for storage with my TRS-80 - no floppy ;)

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

>  WOW, 10MB hard drive, you had the good stuff.  My Laptop only had  Floppy
> drives. One for the OS, and one for data..
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* RickG 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
> LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)
> My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable
> It was really cool but weighed
> as much as sewing machine which was the term we gave it.
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Forbes Mercy <
> forbes.me...@wabroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay
>> baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green
>> screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
>>
>> Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is
>> what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents
>> actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone
>> remember Kaypro & WordStar?).
>>
>> I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it
>> WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I
>> didn't execute.  Oh well.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Scott Carullo 
>> *To:* WISPA General List 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>>
>> I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...
>>
>> Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it
>> in.  It figures out what to do where...
>>
>> They can call it AIRverywhere
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From*: "Robert West" 
>> *Sent*: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
>> *To*: "WISPA General List"  
>> *Subject*: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>>
>>  FYI
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
>> lesson learned the hard way………  But the latest includes channel hopping and
>> Auto channel.  I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every
>> couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
>> my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been
>> SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
>> busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
>> random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
>> interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
>> went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
>> links……..  I call this one a WIN!
>>
>>
>>
>> As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It’s about time!  J
>>
>>
>>
>> Just sharing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Me-
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Tom DeReggi]

Yeah, But it had COLOR !

(But who needs a screen when there is a TV sitting right there :-).
t
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Roger Howard 
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  Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20

  But it didn't have a screen :(


  On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:33 PM, RickG  wrote:

LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)
My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable
It was really cool but weighed as much as sewing machine which was the term 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[RickG]

I remember that! It was nice but expensive for a high school kid which is
what I was in '79. Of course the darn TRS-80 took all my savings but I had
to have it :)

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

>  The first system I owned...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NorthStar_Horizon
>
> On 11/11/2010 8:57 PM, RickG wrote:
>
> The VIC-20 was my second computer. This was my first:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80
> 4k ram :)
>
>  On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
>
>> My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20
>>
>> But it didn't have a screen :(
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:33 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>> LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)
>>> My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable
>>> It was really cool but weighed as much as sewing machine which was the
>>> term we gave it.
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

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WOW, 10MB hard drive, you had the good stuff.  My Laptop only had  Floppy 
drives. One for the OS, and one for data..

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  - Original Message - 
  From: RickG 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)
  My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable
  It was really cool but weighed as much as sewing machine which was the term 
we gave it.
  -RickG


  On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Forbes Mercy  
wrote:

My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay 
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green screen 
with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.


On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 
  Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is 
what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents 
actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone remember 
Kaypro & WordStar?).

  I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it 
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I 
didn't execute.  Oh well.
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Carullo 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install 
feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug 
it in.  It figures out what to do where...  

They can call it AIRverywhere


Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102






From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


FYI



I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale 
deployment, lesson learned the hard way………  But the latest includes channel 
hopping and Auto channel.  I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and 
every couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much 
all my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been 
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy 
for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too random for 
me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My interference 
is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an 
average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all links……..  I call 
this one a WIN!



As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It’s about time!  
J



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Blair Davis]

  
  
The first system I owned...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NorthStar_Horizon

On 11/11/2010 8:57 PM, RickG wrote:
The VIC-20 was my second computer. This was my first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80
  4k ram :)


  On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Roger Howard 
  wrote:
  
My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20

But it didn't have a screen :(

  


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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

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Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal. 
Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our 
lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have our 
company name. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
> are not the provider?
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
>> business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a call 
>> from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
>>> provider?
>>> 
>>> Thanks-
>>> Ryan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>> 
 Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
 usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
 webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
 definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
 sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
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> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

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The VIC-20 was my second computer. This was my first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80
4k ram :)

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20
>
> But it didn't have a screen :(
>
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> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:33 PM, RickG  wrote:
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>> LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)
>> My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable
>>  It was really cool but
>> weighed as much as sewing machine which was the term we gave it.
>> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

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Customer LOVE options to fit their particular needs and budget. Therefore,
we offer multiple options including no agreement (month-to-month) or term
agreements up to two years with discounts depending on the length or terms.
This is viewed as a positive because of the flexibility.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jason Hensley  wrote:

> Well, personally we just did away with contracts.  They became cumbersome
> and almost impossible to enforce and the customers were just skipping town
> without paying anyway.  We tout this as a positive to our customers - that
> even though they have to pay a setup / install fee, we don't lock them into
> a long-term agreement.  Works GREAT for our college customers.
>
> Our agreement is one piece of paper, info on both sides.  It lays out just
> the basics of what we're providing, as well as the penalties if they don't
> return their equipment when they're done with the service, and then
> references our TOS for more info.  Our installer fills it out with their
> info onsite, shows them the speedtest results, includes that on the sheet,
> gets customers signature and check (or cash) and they are done.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Don Grossman
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 2:45 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service contracts
>
> How do you work that with outside collection agencies when they skip?  Our
> collection agency wants something stating the customer in fact agreed to
> the
> terms.
>
> Don
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> > Yes...everything electronically.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:02 PM, jp  wrote:
> > All the other service providers such as DSL and cable are looking to
> > lock people into 2 year contracts as well. add to that cellular, but I
> > don't really consider that a competitor, customers understand the
> > similarities that there is a common need to get into a term agreement to
> > have service. The advantage is that customers aren't hopping around
> > playing musical chairs with service providers for a buck savings when
> > the service providers spend a lot of money on their install. The
> > customers can safely ignore all the misleading flyers they get from the
> > cable company or phone company talking about introductory prices or
> > prices without the fees added, at least till their contract period is
> > winding down.
> >
> > We keep our contract 1 page. I'm sure a lawyer would laugh at it, but
> > the idea is that neither party wants it to end up in lawyer's hands.
> > Referencing the TOS on your website would be a good thing in saving
> > paper.
> >
> > We do 2 year contracts for one price and 1 year for a slightly higher
> > setup price. We track who we give them to, who gave it to them and when.
> > We need that to be able to follow up as sometimes customers don't follow
> > through or expect the service but lose the paperwork. We can email the
> > customer a pdf, the installers have them printed out in the van for
> > customers. We track when we receive them back too; if we receive a
> > contract back and there is a big delay in the install, that is a problem
> > we have to investigate and address. If the customer needs a contract for
> > reference we give them an extra blank one, or offer to mail them a
> > photocopy of the one they signed.
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Ditto here. One interesting note: While we condensed down to one page under
our lawyers guidance, I had an opportunity to test against a couple of
customers who happened to be lawyers! The lawyers conceded. We have not had
any issues with customer churn and I do my best to work with the customer
depending on why they want to leave.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:02 PM, jp  wrote:

> All the other service providers such as DSL and cable are looking to
> lock people into 2 year contracts as well. add to that cellular, but I
> don't really consider that a competitor, customers understand the
> similarities that there is a common need to get into a term agreement to
> have service. The advantage is that customers aren't hopping around
> playing musical chairs with service providers for a buck savings when
> the service providers spend a lot of money on their install. The
> customers can safely ignore all the misleading flyers they get from the
> cable company or phone company talking about introductory prices or
> prices without the fees added, at least till their contract period is
> winding down.
>
> We keep our contract 1 page. I'm sure a lawyer would laugh at it, but
> the idea is that neither party wants it to end up in lawyer's hands.
> Referencing the TOS on your website would be a good thing in saving
> paper.
>
> We do 2 year contracts for one price and 1 year for a slightly higher
> setup price. We track who we give them to, who gave it to them and when.
> We need that to be able to follow up as sometimes customers don't follow
> through or expect the service but lose the paperwork. We can email the
> customer a pdf, the installers have them printed out in the van for
> customers. We track when we receive them back too; if we receive a
> contract back and there is a big delay in the install, that is a problem
> we have to investigate and address. If the customer needs a contract for
> reference we give them an extra blank one, or offer to mail them a
> photocopy of the one they signed.
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:39:02PM -0500, Jeremy Rodgers wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >   
> >
> > 
> >   
> >   
> > For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2
> > year term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating
> > this.  One barrier for us has been the length of time it takes
> from
> > contract creation to customer returning it.  With our current
> > situation "striking while the iron is hot" is not possible as it
> > could take a couple of weeks for the agreement to be returned. 
> It
> > is also intimidating at 6 pages long.
> > 
> > So...a couple questions
> > 
> > -How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
> > -What does your process look like
> > -Do your installers get the paperwork signed
> > -What advantages are there to a term agreement
> > 
> > Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference
> > the Terms of Service on our website.  When the new customer
> calls we
> > can schedule them right on the spot and send the paperwork with the
> > installer.  Anything you see as a disadvantage with this?
> > 
> > Any input is appreciated!
> > -- 
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> >   
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> >   
> >   OnlyInternet Broadband and Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

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My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20

But it didn't have a screen :(

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:33 PM, RickG  wrote:

> LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

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LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)
My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable
It was really cool but weighed as
much as sewing machine which was the term we gave it.
-RickG

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Forbes Mercy  wrote:

>  My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay
> baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green
> screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.
>
>
> On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
>
> Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is
> what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents
> actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone
> remember Kaypro & WordStar?).
>
> I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it
> WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I
> didn't execute.  Oh well.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Scott Carullo 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>  I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...
>
> Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it
> in.  It figures out what to do where...
>
> They can call it AIRverywhere
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
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> *From*: "Robert West" 
> *Sent*: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
> *To*: "WISPA General List"  
> *Subject*: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>  FYI
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
> lesson learned the hard way………  But the latest includes channel hopping and
> Auto channel.  I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every
> couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
> my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been
> SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
> busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
> random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
> interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
> went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
> links……..  I call this one a WIN!
>
>
>
> As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It’s about time!  J
>
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> Just sharing.
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

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If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
are not the provider?

Thanks,
Roger

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
> business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a call 
> from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>
>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current provider?
>>
>> Thanks-
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>
>>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>>>
 Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
 What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.

 TIA

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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Qos has never been much of an issue. We have successfully implemented voip on 
our wimax, Comcast, suddenlink, and dsl. I do have to say that it is excellent 
over dsl. I won't put more than 5 lines on dsl due to the upload limitation. 
The larges single customer I have has 28 lines over Comcast. The largest over 
our wimax is 22 lines. We do use DSCP 46 over our network to prioritize the 
voip traffic. Butch's qos has worked excellent for that.  

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:

> Re local company to partner with.  We're looking closely at that option as a 
> preferred course of action for those hard to measure reasons (value of local 
> contact, vested interest in local biz community, etc).
> 
> Re qos.  We have a solid network and know where we can support voice and 
> where we can't.  We successfully implement appropriate qos for customers who 
> require it, including two call centers, one at 140 seats and one at 300 seats.
> 
> How do you handle support?  Custom acd, dial plans, etc.  I assume your voip 
> partner implements, but what support is yours to deal with, and where do you 
> hand off at?
> 
> Ryan
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Bret Clark  wrote:
> 
>> We partnered with a small VoIP company that is local in our area and 
>> resell the service as our own to businesses only. It has worked well for 
>> us, but I strongly recommend that you implement some type of QoS for the 
>> VoIP packets...at least if you're dealing with businesses.
>> 
>> Bret
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/11/2010 07:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
>>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
>>> provider?
>>> 
>>> Thanks-
>>> Ryan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
 usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
 webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
 definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
 sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
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> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a call 
from anyone complaining about voice quality b

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> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current provider?
> 
> Thanks-
> Ryan
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> 
>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
>>> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>> 
>>> TIA
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Ryan Goldberg]

Re local company to partner with.  We're looking closely at that option as a 
preferred course of action for those hard to measure reasons (value of local 
contact, vested interest in local biz community, etc).

Re qos.  We have a solid network and know where we can support voice and where 
we can't.  We successfully implement appropriate qos for customers who require 
it, including two call centers, one at 140 seats and one at 300 seats.

How do you handle support?  Custom acd, dial plans, etc.  I assume your voip 
partner implements, but what support is yours to deal with, and where do you 
hand off at?

Ryan



On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Bret Clark  wrote:

> We partnered with a small VoIP company that is local in our area and 
> resell the service as our own to businesses only. It has worked well for 
> us, but I strongly recommend that you implement some type of QoS for the 
> VoIP packets...at least if you're dealing with businesses.
> 
> Bret
> 
> 
> On 11/11/2010 07:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current provider?
>> 
>> Thanks-
>> Ryan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
 What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
 
 TIA
 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Bret Clark]

We partnered with a small VoIP company that is local in our area and 
resell the service as our own to businesses only. It has worked well for 
us, but I strongly recommend that you implement some type of QoS for the 
VoIP packets...at least if you're dealing with businesses.

Bret


On 11/11/2010 07:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current provider?
>
> Thanks-
> Ryan
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>
>
>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
>>> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] rebooting Tranzeo TR-902

[Chris Gotstein]

On a 5mhz channel, i can get about 3mbs to the CPE.  Not sure how much 
it can handle, I only have one MT AP up serving Tr-SL9 clients, have 
about 15 people on it with no issues.  I would guess it could scale to 
30 pretty easy.  I run about 40-50 per MT AP on our 2.4 network.

On 11/11/2010 5:28 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
> What throughput are you getting?
> Can this setup handle 20 - 30 subs?
> Thanx
> NGL
>
> --
> From: "Chris Gotstein"
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:38 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] rebooting Tranzeo TR-902
>
>> I have seen this happen many times with our 902 AP as well.  Usually
>> what happens is you have a couple clients that have really poor signals
>> or modulation and that seems to take down the AP.  If you remove those
>> users from the AP, it will usually clear things up.  Another reason i'm
>> moving away from the TR-902 as an AP and over to Mikrotik.
>>
>>    
>> Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
>> http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
>>
>> On 11/9/2010 10:05 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>>> Anyone having trouble with TR-902's staying linked? It seems some of the
>>> clients have to be rebooted 2 - 3 times a day and the TR-902 APs need to
>>> be rebooted a at least once time a day. Firmware is TR6-5.0.5Rt. Any
>>> help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Ryan Goldberg]

Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current provider?

Thanks-
Ryan



On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:

> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but sales 
> didn't take off until we raised our price. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone4
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
> 
>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
>> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Ryan
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] rebooting Tranzeo TR-902

[~NGL~]

What throughput are you getting?
Can this setup handle 20 - 30 subs?
Thanx
NGL

--
From: "Chris Gotstein" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:38 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] rebooting Tranzeo TR-902

> I have seen this happen many times with our 902 AP as well.  Usually
> what happens is you have a couple clients that have really poor signals
> or modulation and that seems to take down the AP.  If you remove those
> users from the AP, it will usually clear things up.  Another reason i'm
> moving away from the TR-902 as an AP and over to Mikrotik.
>
>    
> Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
> http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
>
> On 11/9/2010 10:05 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>> Anyone having trouble with TR-902's staying linked? It seems some of the
>> clients have to be rebooted 2 - 3 times a day and the TR-902 APs need to
>> be rebooted a at least once time a day. Firmware is TR6-5.0.5Rt. Any
>> help would be greatly appreciated.
>> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet usually 
and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, webhosting, data 
backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we definitely aren't the 
cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but sales didn't take off until 
we raised our price. 

Sent from my iPhone4

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> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
> 
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Chuck Hogg]

Bought the Netsapiens solution.  Currently (without taking into
consideration the initial server/software cost) we are making about 3.5 x
Cost per account.  We've been adding 3-5 a week, and as more people learn
about us offering it the faster it's selling.

My cost per account is roughly $6.25, and we're selling it for $17-45 per
line.

Regards,
Chuck


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>
> TIA
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[WISPA] making money from voip

[Ryan Goldberg]

Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  What 
approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.

TIA

Ryan




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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Jason Hensley]

Well, personally we just did away with contracts.  They became cumbersome
and almost impossible to enforce and the customers were just skipping town
without paying anyway.  We tout this as a positive to our customers - that
even though they have to pay a setup / install fee, we don't lock them into
a long-term agreement.  Works GREAT for our college customers.  

Our agreement is one piece of paper, info on both sides.  It lays out just
the basics of what we're providing, as well as the penalties if they don't
return their equipment when they're done with the service, and then
references our TOS for more info.  Our installer fills it out with their
info onsite, shows them the speedtest results, includes that on the sheet,
gets customers signature and check (or cash) and they are done.  





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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Don Grossman
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 2:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

How do you work that with outside collection agencies when they skip?  Our
collection agency wants something stating the customer in fact agreed to the
terms.

Don

On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

> Yes...everything electronically.
> 
> Cameron
> 
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:02 PM, jp  wrote:
> All the other service providers such as DSL and cable are looking to
> lock people into 2 year contracts as well. add to that cellular, but I
> don't really consider that a competitor, customers understand the
> similarities that there is a common need to get into a term agreement to
> have service. The advantage is that customers aren't hopping around
> playing musical chairs with service providers for a buck savings when
> the service providers spend a lot of money on their install. The
> customers can safely ignore all the misleading flyers they get from the
> cable company or phone company talking about introductory prices or
> prices without the fees added, at least till their contract period is
> winding down.
> 
> We keep our contract 1 page. I'm sure a lawyer would laugh at it, but
> the idea is that neither party wants it to end up in lawyer's hands.
> Referencing the TOS on your website would be a good thing in saving
> paper.
> 
> We do 2 year contracts for one price and 1 year for a slightly higher
> setup price. We track who we give them to, who gave it to them and when.
> We need that to be able to follow up as sometimes customers don't follow
> through or expect the service but lose the paperwork. We can email the
> customer a pdf, the installers have them printed out in the van for
> customers. We track when we receive them back too; if we receive a
> contract back and there is a big delay in the install, that is a problem
> we have to investigate and address. If the customer needs a contract for
> reference we give them an extra blank one, or offer to mail them a
> photocopy of the one they signed.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Don Grossman]

How do you work that with outside collection agencies when they skip?  Our 
collection agency wants something stating the customer in fact agreed to the 
terms.

Don

On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

> Yes...everything electronically.
> 
> Cameron
> 
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:02 PM, jp  wrote:
> All the other service providers such as DSL and cable are looking to
> lock people into 2 year contracts as well. add to that cellular, but I
> don't really consider that a competitor, customers understand the
> similarities that there is a common need to get into a term agreement to
> have service. The advantage is that customers aren't hopping around
> playing musical chairs with service providers for a buck savings when
> the service providers spend a lot of money on their install. The
> customers can safely ignore all the misleading flyers they get from the
> cable company or phone company talking about introductory prices or
> prices without the fees added, at least till their contract period is
> winding down.
> 
> We keep our contract 1 page. I'm sure a lawyer would laugh at it, but
> the idea is that neither party wants it to end up in lawyer's hands.
> Referencing the TOS on your website would be a good thing in saving
> paper.
> 
> We do 2 year contracts for one price and 1 year for a slightly higher
> setup price. We track who we give them to, who gave it to them and when.
> We need that to be able to follow up as sometimes customers don't follow
> through or expect the service but lose the paperwork. We can email the
> customer a pdf, the installers have them printed out in the van for
> customers. We track when we receive them back too; if we receive a
> contract back and there is a big delay in the install, that is a problem
> we have to investigate and address. If the customer needs a contract for
> reference we give them an extra blank one, or offer to mail them a
> photocopy of the one they signed.
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Re: [WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[Jeromie Reeves]

I would love to see the output of 'route print' both with the pptp up and down.


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> I've never added the routes on my Win2k3 server box and am creating and
> tearing down dozens of connections without the default gateway option every
> couple of minutes...but one at a time.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
> wrote:
>>
>> The only time that happens, is when windows use's the remote gateway
>> as default gateway. my 2k, XP and 7 all need to have the routes
>> manually added if I do not 'Use remote gateway'
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>> > On Windows I do not add routes. It seems to handle it for me. I'll try
>> > adding the routes on linux and see what happens. The main problem with
>> > that
>> > is I never know exactly which private subnets I'll need. I guess I can
>> > add
>> > routes for al the private ranges, but that is kind of a hassle.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Cameron
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM, David E. Smith  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I disable the option in my windows pptp sessions, and yes I do NOT
>> >>> want
>> >>> to use the remote end as the gateway. It is for a particular purpose.
>> >>> How do
>> >>> I configure linux to update the routes? Is that something I need to
>> >>> specify
>> >>> in the ppp settings?
>> >>
>> >> Are you then setting a few specific routes (so that only your network
>> >> is
>> >> routed through the PPTP connection)? You'd probably just need to, after
>> >> you're connected, add a few routes manually (i.e. something like 'route
>> >> add
>> >> -net 10.20.30.0/24 gw your.ppp.peer.ip')
>> >> You'll probably want to automate that with a shell script or similar. I
>> >> think Fedora actually has a little GUI you can use, to automatically
>> >> create
>> >> routes after setting up a PPTP session and drop them when you
>> >> disconnect,
>> >> but I haven't had to do this in quite a while; I apologize for the lack
>> >> of
>> >> specifics.
>> >> David Smith
>> >> MVN.net
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[Cameron Crum]

I've never added the routes on my Win2k3 server box and am creating and
tearing down dozens of connections without the default gateway option every
couple of minutes...but one at a time.

Regards,

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> The only time that happens, is when windows use's the remote gateway
> as default gateway. my 2k, XP and 7 all need to have the routes
> manually added if I do not 'Use remote gateway'
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> > On Windows I do not add routes. It seems to handle it for me. I'll try
> > adding the routes on linux and see what happens. The main problem with
> that
> > is I never know exactly which private subnets I'll need. I guess I can
> add
> > routes for al the private ranges, but that is kind of a hassle.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM, David E. Smith  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I disable the option in my windows pptp sessions, and yes I do NOT want
> >>> to use the remote end as the gateway. It is for a particular purpose.
> How do
> >>> I configure linux to update the routes? Is that something I need to
> specify
> >>> in the ppp settings?
> >>
> >> Are you then setting a few specific routes (so that only your network is
> >> routed through the PPTP connection)? You'd probably just need to, after
> >> you're connected, add a few routes manually (i.e. something like 'route
> add
> >> -net 10.20.30.0/24 gw your.ppp.peer.ip')
> >> You'll probably want to automate that with a shell script or similar. I
> >> think Fedora actually has a little GUI you can use, to automatically
> create
> >> routes after setting up a PPTP session and drop them when you
> disconnect,
> >> but I haven't had to do this in quite a while; I apologize for the lack
> of
> >> specifics.
> >> David Smith
> >> MVN.net
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Cameron Crum]

When I had a wisp, we made all customers create their account online at the
end of the install. The first step was agreeing to our terms so that nobody
could access our network without clicking through the TOS page and then
filling out their information. That was it. It also had the added benefit of
showing them thier service was working since they had to do it over the
internet.

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Jeremy Rodgers <
jeremyrodg...@onlyinternet.net> wrote:

>  Cameron, I would love to learn more about your process and how you do
> this.  Does the customer just visit your site and agree by checking a box to
> terms and conditions?  Do they fill out billing info, etc. as well?
>
> On 11/11/2010 3:06 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> Yes...everything electronically.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:02 PM, jp  wrote:
>
>> All the other service providers such as DSL and cable are looking to
>> lock people into 2 year contracts as well. add to that cellular, but I
>> don't really consider that a competitor, customers understand the
>> similarities that there is a common need to get into a term agreement to
>> have service. The advantage is that customers aren't hopping around
>> playing musical chairs with service providers for a buck savings when
>> the service providers spend a lot of money on their install. The
>> customers can safely ignore all the misleading flyers they get from the
>> cable company or phone company talking about introductory prices or
>> prices without the fees added, at least till their contract period is
>> winding down.
>>
>> We keep our contract 1 page. I'm sure a lawyer would laugh at it, but
>> the idea is that neither party wants it to end up in lawyer's hands.
>> Referencing the TOS on your website would be a good thing in saving
>> paper.
>>
>> We do 2 year contracts for one price and 1 year for a slightly higher
>> setup price. We track who we give them to, who gave it to them and when.
>> We need that to be able to follow up as sometimes customers don't follow
>> through or expect the service but lose the paperwork. We can email the
>> customer a pdf, the installers have them printed out in the van for
>> customers. We track when we receive them back too; if we receive a
>> contract back and there is a big delay in the install, that is a problem
>> we have to investigate and address. If the customer needs a contract for
>> reference we give them an extra blank one, or offer to mail them a
>> photocopy of the one they signed.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:39:02PM -0500, Jeremy Rodgers wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> >   
>> >
>> > 
>> >   
>> >   
>> > For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2
>>  > year term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are
>> evaluating
>> > this.  One barrier for us has been the length of time it takes
>> from
>> > contract creation to customer returning it.  With our current
>> > situation "striking while the iron is hot" is not possible as it
>>  > could take a couple of weeks for the agreement to be
>> returned.  It
>> > is also intimidating at 6 pages long.
>> > 
>> > So...a couple questions
>> > 
>> > -How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
>> > -What does your process look like
>> > -Do your installers get the paperwork signed
>> > -What advantages are there to a term agreement
>> > 
>> > Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference
>>  > the Terms of Service on our website.  When the new customer
>> calls we
>> > can schedule them right on the spot and send the paperwork with the
>>  > installer.  Anything you see as a disadvantage with this?
>> > 
>> > Any input is appreciated!
>> > -- 
>> >   Jeremy J. Rodgers
>> >   
>> >   Sales Manager
>> >   
>> >   OnlyInternet Broadband and Wireless
>> >   O: 260.827.2234
>> >   
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Re: [WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[Jeromie Reeves]

The only time that happens, is when windows use's the remote gateway
as default gateway. my 2k, XP and 7 all need to have the routes
manually added if I do not 'Use remote gateway'

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> On Windows I do not add routes. It seems to handle it for me. I'll try
> adding the routes on linux and see what happens. The main problem with that
> is I never know exactly which private subnets I'll need. I guess I can add
> routes for al the private ranges, but that is kind of a hassle.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM, David E. Smith  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>>
>>> I disable the option in my windows pptp sessions, and yes I do NOT want
>>> to use the remote end as the gateway. It is for a particular purpose. How do
>>> I configure linux to update the routes? Is that something I need to specify
>>> in the ppp settings?
>>
>> Are you then setting a few specific routes (so that only your network is
>> routed through the PPTP connection)? You'd probably just need to, after
>> you're connected, add a few routes manually (i.e. something like 'route add
>> -net 10.20.30.0/24 gw your.ppp.peer.ip')
>> You'll probably want to automate that with a shell script or similar. I
>> think Fedora actually has a little GUI you can use, to automatically create
>> routes after setting up a PPTP session and drop them when you disconnect,
>> but I haven't had to do this in quite a while; I apologize for the lack of
>> specifics.
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Jeremy Rodgers]

  
  
Cameron, I would love to learn more about your process and how you
do this.  Does the customer just visit your site and agree by
checking a box to terms and conditions?  Do they fill out billing
info, etc. as well?  

On 11/11/2010 3:06 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Yes...everything electronically.
  
  Cameron
  
  On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:02 PM, jp 
wrote:
All the other service providers such as
  DSL and cable are looking to
  lock people into 2 year contracts as well. add to that
  cellular, but I
  don't really consider that a competitor, customers understand
  the
  similarities that there is a common need to get into a term
  agreement to
  have service. The advantage is that customers aren't hopping
  around
  playing musical chairs with service providers for a buck
  savings when
  the service providers spend a lot of money on their install.
  The
  customers can safely ignore all the misleading flyers they get
  from the
  cable company or phone company talking about introductory
  prices or
  prices without the fees added, at least till their contract
  period is
  winding down.
  
  We keep our contract 1 page. I'm sure a lawyer would laugh at
  it, but
  the idea is that neither party wants it to end up in lawyer's
  hands.
  Referencing the TOS on your website would be a good thing in
  saving
  paper.
  
  We do 2 year contracts for one price and 1 year for a slightly
  higher
  setup price. We track who we give them to, who gave it to them
  and when.
  We need that to be able to follow up as sometimes customers
  don't follow
  through or expect the service but lose the paperwork. We can
  email the
  customer a pdf, the installers have them printed out in the
  van for
  customers. We track when we receive them back too; if we
  receive a
  contract back and there is a big delay in the install, that is
  a problem
  we have to investigate and address. If the customer needs a
  contract for
  reference we give them an extra blank one, or offer to mail
  them a
  photocopy of the one they signed.
  
  On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:39:02PM -0500, Jeremy Rodgers
  wrote:
  > 
  > 
  >   
  >
  >     
  >   
  >   
  >     For years now we have required new
residential customers to sign a 2
  
  >     year term agreement.  For competitive
  reasons we are evaluating
  >     this.  One barrier for us has been the
  length of time it takes from
  >     contract creation to customer returning it. 
  With our current
  >     situation "striking while the iron is
hot" is not possible as it
  
  >     could take a couple of weeks for the agreement to be
  returned.  It
  >     is also intimidating at 6 pages long.
  >     
  >     So...a couple questions
  >     
  >     -How long is your customer contract (# of pages and
  term)
  >     -What does your process look like
  >     -Do your installers get the paperwork
  signed
  >     -What advantages are there to a term
  agreement
  >     
  >     Our thought is to possibly reduce it
down to one page and reference
  
  >     the Terms of Service on our website.  When
  the new customer calls we
  >     can schedule them right on the spot
and send the paperwork with the
  
  >     installer.  Anything you see as a
  disadvantage with this?
  >     
  >     Any input is appreciated!
  >     -- 
  >       Jeremy J. Rodgers
  >       
  >       Sales Manager
  >       
  >       OnlyInternet Broadband and Wireless
  >       O: 260.827.2234
  >       
  >       O: 800.363.0989
  >       
  >       F: 260.824.9624
  >       
  >       
  >       "…But as for me and my household, we will
  serve the LORD." Joshua
  >       24:15
  >     
  >   
  > 
  
>
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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Cameron Crum]

Yes...everything electronically.

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:02 PM, jp  wrote:

> All the other service providers such as DSL and cable are looking to
> lock people into 2 year contracts as well. add to that cellular, but I
> don't really consider that a competitor, customers understand the
> similarities that there is a common need to get into a term agreement to
> have service. The advantage is that customers aren't hopping around
> playing musical chairs with service providers for a buck savings when
> the service providers spend a lot of money on their install. The
> customers can safely ignore all the misleading flyers they get from the
> cable company or phone company talking about introductory prices or
> prices without the fees added, at least till their contract period is
> winding down.
>
> We keep our contract 1 page. I'm sure a lawyer would laugh at it, but
> the idea is that neither party wants it to end up in lawyer's hands.
> Referencing the TOS on your website would be a good thing in saving
> paper.
>
> We do 2 year contracts for one price and 1 year for a slightly higher
> setup price. We track who we give them to, who gave it to them and when.
> We need that to be able to follow up as sometimes customers don't follow
> through or expect the service but lose the paperwork. We can email the
> customer a pdf, the installers have them printed out in the van for
> customers. We track when we receive them back too; if we receive a
> contract back and there is a big delay in the install, that is a problem
> we have to investigate and address. If the customer needs a contract for
> reference we give them an extra blank one, or offer to mail them a
> photocopy of the one they signed.
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:39:02PM -0500, Jeremy Rodgers wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >   
> >
> > 
> >   
> >   
> > For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2
> > year term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating
> > this.  One barrier for us has been the length of time it takes
> from
> > contract creation to customer returning it.  With our current
> > situation "striking while the iron is hot" is not possible as it
> > could take a couple of weeks for the agreement to be returned. 
> It
> > is also intimidating at 6 pages long.
> > 
> > So...a couple questions
> > 
> > -How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
> > -What does your process look like
> > -Do your installers get the paperwork signed
> > -What advantages are there to a term agreement
> > 
> > Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference
> > the Terms of Service on our website.  When the new customer
> calls we
> > can schedule them right on the spot and send the paperwork with the
> > installer.  Anything you see as a disadvantage with this?
> > 
> > Any input is appreciated!
> > -- 
> >   Jeremy J. Rodgers
> >   
> >   Sales Manager
> >   
> >   OnlyInternet Broadband and Wireless
> >   O: 260.827.2234
> >   
> >   O: 800.363.0989
> >   
> >   F: 260.824.9624
> >   
> >   
> >   "…But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
> Joshua
> >   24:15
> > 
> >   
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[David E. Smith]

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:20, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> On Windows I do not add routes. It seems to handle it for me. I'll try
> adding the routes on linux and see what happens. The main problem with that
> is I never know exactly which private subnets I'll need. I guess I can add
> routes for al the private ranges, but that is kind of a hassle.
>

I think a Windows server (configured with the routes you need), talking to a
Windows client, handles setting that up on its own.

For Linux, it should be easy enough to create a shell script that creates
the routes you need. Something like:

#!/bin/bash
route add 10.10.10.0/24 via $1
route add 10.20.30.0/24 via $1
... and so on

Then, once you're logged in, just run "myroutes.sh 10.50.13.41". Depending
on your PPTP client setup, you probably can even get this script to run
automatically as part of setting up the session. You'll probably also want a
similar script to run after you log out, with a bunch of 'route del'
commands.

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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[jp]

All the other service providers such as DSL and cable are looking to 
lock people into 2 year contracts as well. add to that cellular, but I 
don't really consider that a competitor, customers understand the 
similarities that there is a common need to get into a term agreement to 
have service. The advantage is that customers aren't hopping around 
playing musical chairs with service providers for a buck savings when 
the service providers spend a lot of money on their install. The 
customers can safely ignore all the misleading flyers they get from the 
cable company or phone company talking about introductory prices or 
prices without the fees added, at least till their contract period is 
winding down.

We keep our contract 1 page. I'm sure a lawyer would laugh at it, but 
the idea is that neither party wants it to end up in lawyer's hands. 
Referencing the TOS on your website would be a good thing in saving 
paper.

We do 2 year contracts for one price and 1 year for a slightly higher 
setup price. We track who we give them to, who gave it to them and when. 
We need that to be able to follow up as sometimes customers don't follow 
through or expect the service but lose the paperwork. We can email the 
customer a pdf, the installers have them printed out in the van for 
customers. We track when we receive them back too; if we receive a 
contract back and there is a big delay in the install, that is a problem 
we have to investigate and address. If the customer needs a contract for 
reference we give them an extra blank one, or offer to mail them a 
photocopy of the one they signed.

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> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   
>   
> For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2
> year term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating
> this.  One barrier for us has been the length of time it takes from
> contract creation to customer returning it.  With our current
> situation "striking while the iron is hot" is not possible as it
> could take a couple of weeks for the agreement to be returned.  It
> is also intimidating at 6 pages long.
> 
> So...a couple questions
> 
> -How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
> -What does your process look like
> -Do your installers get the paperwork signed
> -What advantages are there to a term agreement
> 
> Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference
> the Terms of Service on our website.  When the new customer calls we
> can schedule them right on the spot and send the paperwork with the
> installer.  Anything you see as a disadvantage with this?
> 
> Any input is appreciated!
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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Chuck Hogg]

We do contracts, with rates based on tiers (
http://www.shelbybb.com/wireless.aspx).  Customers are required to choose a
service plan at time of install for wireless internet and at time of order
for phone or DSL.

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On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Jeremy Rodgers <
jeremyrodg...@onlyinternet.net> wrote:

>  I do sign a piece of paper when signing up for new service.  Are you
> suggesting doing everything electronically?
>
>
> On 11/11/2010 12:56 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> Why do paper at all? Have you ever signed a piece of paper when upgrading
> your call phone plan?
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Jeremy Rodgers <
> jeremyrodg...@onlyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>>  For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2 year
>> term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating this.  One
>> barrier for us has been the length of time it takes from contract creation
>> to customer returning it.  With our current situation "striking while the
>> iron is hot" is not possible as it could take a couple of weeks for the
>> agreement to be returned.  It is also intimidating at 6 pages long.
>>
>> So...a couple questions
>>
>> -How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
>> -What does your process look like
>> -Do your installers get the paperwork signed
>> -What advantages are there to a term agreement
>>
>> Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference the
>> Terms of Service on our website.  When the new customer calls we can
>> schedule them right on the spot and send the paperwork with the installer.
>> Anything you see as a disadvantage with this?
>>
>> Any input is appreciated!
>> --
>> *Jeremy J. Rodgers*
>> Sales Manager
>> OnlyInternet Broadband and Wireless
>> O: 260.827.2234
>> O: 800.363.0989
>> F: 260.824.9624
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Re: [WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[Scott Reed]

Shell script, one input parameter, the new gateway.  Then one command 
sets up all the internal subnets.


On 11/11/2010 1:20 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
On Windows I do not add routes. It seems to handle it for me. I'll try 
adding the routes on linux and see what happens. The main problem with 
that is I never know exactly which private subnets I'll need. I guess 
I can add routes for al the private ranges, but that is kind of a hassle.


Regards,

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM, David E. Smith > wrote:




On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00, Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

I disable the option in my windows pptp sessions, and yes I do
NOT want to use the remote end as the gateway. It is for a
particular purpose. How do I configure linux to update the
routes? Is that something I need to specify in the ppp settings?


Are you then setting a few specific routes (so that only your
network is routed through the PPTP connection)? You'd probably
just need to, after you're connected, add a few routes manually
(i.e. something like 'route add -net 10.20.30.0/24
 gw your.ppp.peer.ip')

You'll probably want to automate that with a shell script or
similar. I think Fedora actually has a little GUI you can use, to
automatically create routes after setting up a PPTP session and
drop them when you disconnect, but I haven't had to do this in
quite a while; I apologize for the lack of specifics.

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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Jeremy Rodgers]

  
  
I do sign a piece of paper when signing up for new service.  Are you
suggesting doing everything electronically?

On 11/11/2010 12:56 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Why do paper at all? Have you ever signed a piece of
  paper when upgrading your call phone plan? 
  
  Cameron
  
  On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Jeremy
Rodgers 
wrote:

   For years now we have
required new residential customers to sign a 2 year term
agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating this. 
One barrier for us has been the length of time it takes from
contract creation to customer returning it.  With our
current situation "striking while the iron is hot" is not
possible as it could take a couple of weeks for the
agreement to be returned.  It is also intimidating at 6
pages long.

So...a couple questions

-How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
-What does your process look like
-Do your installers get the paperwork signed
-What advantages are there to a term agreement

Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and
reference the Terms of Service on our website.  When the new
customer calls we can schedule them right on the spot and
send the paperwork with the installer.  Anything you see as
a disadvantage with this?

Any input is appreciated!
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  O: 800.363.0989 
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Re: [WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[Cameron Crum]

On Windows I do not add routes. It seems to handle it for me. I'll try
adding the routes on linux and see what happens. The main problem with that
is I never know exactly which private subnets I'll need. I guess I can add
routes for al the private ranges, but that is kind of a hassle.

Regards,

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM, David E. Smith  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> I disable the option in my windows pptp sessions, and yes I do NOT want to
>> use the remote end as the gateway. It is for a particular purpose. How do I
>> configure linux to update the routes? Is that something I need to specify in
>> the ppp settings?
>>
>
> Are you then setting a few specific routes (so that only your network is
> routed through the PPTP connection)? You'd probably just need to, after
> you're connected, add a few routes manually (i.e. something like 'route add
> -net 10.20.30.0/24 gw your.ppp.peer.ip')
>
> You'll probably want to automate that with a shell script or similar. I
> think Fedora actually has a little GUI you can use, to automatically create
> routes after setting up a PPTP session and drop them when you disconnect,
> but I haven't had to do this in quite a while; I apologize for the lack of
> specifics.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[Jeromie Reeves]

I do this all the time. I PPtP to my core router then point 10/8 up
the PPtP, and can then access my entire network. How you do that is up
to you. Network manager should be able to, your ppp script should be
able, I do it by hand cause I never know just what interface I am
doing the PPtP from.

route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 gw 
or
ip route add 10.0.0.0/8 via 


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> I disable the option in my windows pptp sessions, and yes I do NOT want to
> use the remote end as the gateway. It is for a particular purpose. How do I
> configure linux to update the routes? Is that something I need to specify in
> the ppp settings?
>
> Regards,
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:56 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:52, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>>
>>> I curious if any out there have established PPTP connections between a
>>> linux box and MT routers and been able to ping things on the other side. If
>>> I establish a connection with my Windows machine, all is nice. I get the ip
>>> and can start pinging, logging into, etc devices on the other end. In linux
>>> I can establish the tunnel, but can only ping my p-t-p ip on the other end.
>>> I'm not using the remote end as the gateway and don't want to. Anyone done
>>> this?
>>
>> Sounds like your Linux setup isn't updating routes correctly.
>> What do you mean by not wanting to use the remote end as your gateway?
>> That's exactly what Windows does by default, and that's almost certainly
>> what you want, unless you're doing something very atypical.
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[David E. Smith]

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I disable the option in my windows pptp sessions, and yes I do NOT want to
> use the remote end as the gateway. It is for a particular purpose. How do I
> configure linux to update the routes? Is that something I need to specify in
> the ppp settings?
>

Are you then setting a few specific routes (so that only your network is
routed through the PPTP connection)? You'd probably just need to, after
you're connected, add a few routes manually (i.e. something like 'route add
-net 10.20.30.0/24 gw your.ppp.peer.ip')

You'll probably want to automate that with a shell script or similar. I
think Fedora actually has a little GUI you can use, to automatically create
routes after setting up a PPTP session and drop them when you disconnect,
but I haven't had to do this in quite a while; I apologize for the lack of
specifics.

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Re: [WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[Cameron Crum]

I disable the option in my windows pptp sessions, and yes I do NOT want to
use the remote end as the gateway. It is for a particular purpose. How do I
configure linux to update the routes? Is that something I need to specify in
the ppp settings?

Regards,

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:56 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:52, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> I curious if any out there have established PPTP connections between a
>> linux box and MT routers and been able to ping things on the other side. If
>> I establish a connection with my Windows machine, all is nice. I get the ip
>> and can start pinging, logging into, etc devices on the other end. In linux
>> I can establish the tunnel, but can only ping my p-t-p ip on the other end.
>> I'm not using the remote end as the gateway and don't want to. Anyone done
>> this?
>
>
> Sounds like your Linux setup isn't updating routes correctly.
>
> What do you mean by not wanting to use the remote end as your gateway?
> That's exactly what Windows does by default, and that's almost certainly
> what you want, unless you're doing something very atypical.
>
> David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

[Cameron Crum]

Why do paper at all? Have you ever signed a piece of paper when upgrading
your call phone plan?

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Jeremy Rodgers <
jeremyrodg...@onlyinternet.net> wrote:

>  For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2 year
> term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating this.  One
> barrier for us has been the length of time it takes from contract creation
> to customer returning it.  With our current situation "striking while the
> iron is hot" is not possible as it could take a couple of weeks for the
> agreement to be returned.  It is also intimidating at 6 pages long.
>
> So...a couple questions
>
> -How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
> -What does your process look like
> -Do your installers get the paperwork signed
> -What advantages are there to a term agreement
>
> Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference the
> Terms of Service on our website.  When the new customer calls we can
> schedule them right on the spot and send the paperwork with the installer.
> Anything you see as a disadvantage with this?
>
> Any input is appreciated!
> --
> *Jeremy J. Rodgers*
> Sales Manager
> OnlyInternet Broadband and Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[David E. Smith]

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:52, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I curious if any out there have established PPTP connections between a
> linux box and MT routers and been able to ping things on the other side. If
> I establish a connection with my Windows machine, all is nice. I get the ip
> and can start pinging, logging into, etc devices on the other end. In linux
> I can establish the tunnel, but can only ping my p-t-p ip on the other end.
> I'm not using the remote end as the gateway and don't want to. Anyone done
> this?


Sounds like your Linux setup isn't updating routes correctly.

What do you mean by not wanting to use the remote end as your gateway?
That's exactly what Windows does by default, and that's almost certainly
what you want, unless you're doing something very atypical.

David Smith
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[WISPA] Linux PPP connections

[Cameron Crum]

I curious if any out there have established PPTP connections between a linux
box and MT routers and been able to ping things on the other side. If I
establish a connection with my Windows machine, all is nice. I get the ip
and can start pinging, logging into, etc devices on the other end. In linux
I can establish the tunnel, but can only ping my p-t-p ip on the other end.
I'm not using the remote end as the gateway and don't want to. Anyone done
this?

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[WISPA] Service contracts

[Jeremy Rodgers]

  
  
For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2
year term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating
this.  One barrier for us has been the length of time it takes from
contract creation to customer returning it.  With our current
situation "striking while the iron is hot" is not possible as it
could take a couple of weeks for the agreement to be returned.  It
is also intimidating at 6 pages long.

So...a couple questions

-How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
-What does your process look like
-Do your installers get the paperwork signed
-What advantages are there to a term agreement

Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference
the Terms of Service on our website.  When the new customer calls we
can schedule them right on the spot and send the paperwork with the
installer.  Anything you see as a disadvantage with this?

Any input is appreciated!
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Re: [WISPA] Climbing High-Angle Emergency Equipment

[Cameron Kilton]

http://www.comtrainusa.com/

They are your friends. I have done this course. It is very nice. I would 
recommend it to anyone. Especially fire departments.


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On 11/11/2010 11:56 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
>
>
> I thought I'd share a little information.  We have our own tower
> climbers.  We are often working in remote areas where we provide
> service.  In one of those rare moments when I have time to think, I
> wondered what kinds of high-angle rescue capabilities the fire
> departments around us had.
>
> Here's what I found out:  NONE
> The closest high-angle rescue units are in at least 1 hour away.  If you
> have an injured climber, 1 hour may be too much.
>
> We now have 1000' of 5/8" rescue rope, and a Fisk Descender in house.
> We are also actively working with a couple of the local fire departments
> to get them and us properly certified.
>
> Just a thought as many of us work out in the sticks!  You don't want an
> untrained person lowering you off a tower with their pickup truck and
> 1/4" twine.
>
> Be safe.
>
>
>
> --
> Marco C. Coelho
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> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
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[WISPA] Climbing High-Angle Emergency Equipment

[Marco Coelho]

I thought I'd share a little information.  We have our own tower climbers.
We are often working in remote areas where we provide service.  In one of
those rare moments when I have time to think, I wondered what kinds of
high-angle rescue capabilities the fire departments around us had.

Here's what I found out:  NONE
The closest high-angle rescue units are in at least 1 hour away.  If you
have an injured climber, 1 hour may be too much.

We now have 1000' of 5/8" rescue rope, and a Fisk Descender in house.  We
are also actively working with a couple of the local fire departments to get
them and us properly certified.

Just a thought as many of us work out in the sticks!  You don't want an
untrained person lowering you off a tower with their pickup truck and 1/4"
twine.

Be safe.



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Re: [WISPA] MT Console route lookup

[Blake Covarrubias]

Nick,

Use regex search.

/ip route print where dst-address~"208.65.55.1"

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On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:

> Anyone know a good way to find a route in the table (Mikrotik) without 
> knowing the netmask?
> For instance
> /ip route print where dst-address="208.65.55.1" will return nothing.
> But if you search by netmask (/ip route print where 
> dst-address="208.65.48.0/21") will find the route. Just wondering if there is 
> a way to pattern match it or something, Like in Quagga/Cisco you can do a 
> "show ip bgp 208.65.55.1" and it will show you the route as well as the 
> path(s) it can take and the best one.
> 
> And on another note, Has anyone setup a Quagga based "route server" with 
> telnet access that is willing to share details or configs on how to set one 
> up?
> 
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (855) FLSPEED  x106
> 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Mark Nash]

We used those computers for packet sniffers at the university long ago... We 
called them "lunchboxes"
  - Original Message - 
  From: Forbes Mercy 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay 
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green screen 
with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.

  On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 
Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is 
what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents 
actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone remember 
Kaypro & WordStar?).

I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it 
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I 
didn't execute.  Oh well.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Carullo 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

  Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug 
it in.  It figures out what to do where...  

  They can call it AIRverywhere


  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102





--
  From: "Robert West" 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
  To: "WISPA General List" 
  Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  FYI



  I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and 
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every 
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my 
UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been SOLID for 
me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me.  My 
noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just 
doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My interference is now GONE. 
 My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a 
-95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all links  I call this one a WIN!



  As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J



  Just sharing.



  Me-





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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Forbes Mercy]

My first "LAP"top was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay 
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green 
screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.


On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see 
is what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that 
documents actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print 
(anyone remember Kaypro & WordStar?).
I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called 
it WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a 
qua-jillionaire but I didn't execute.  Oh well.


- Original Message -
*From:* Scott Carullo 
*To:* WISPA General List 
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install
feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and
plug it in.  It figures out what to do where...

They can call it AIRverywhere

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102




*From*: "Robert West" mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com>>
*Sent*: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
*To*: "WISPA General List" 
*Subject*: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

FYI

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale
deployment, lesson learned the hard way.  But the latest
includes channel hopping and Auto channel.  I've had ongoing
issues with random interference and every couple of weeks or so
have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my UBNT
radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it
was too busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place. 
SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO

channel.  Smooth as silk!  My interference is now
GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an
average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about
time! J

Just sharing.

Me-






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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Mark Nash]

Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is what 
you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents actually 
LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone remember Kaypro & 
WordStar?).

I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it 
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I 
didn't execute.  Oh well.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Carullo 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

  Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it 
in.  It figures out what to do where...  

  They can call it AIRverywhere


  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102





--
  From: "Robert West" 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
  To: "WISPA General List" 
  Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  FYI



  I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and 
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every 
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my 
UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been SOLID for 
me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me.  My 
noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just 
doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My interference is now GONE. 
 My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a 
-95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all links  I call this one a WIN!



  As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J



  Just sharing.



  Me-





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[WISPA] MT Console route lookup

[Nick Olsen]

Anyone know a good way to find a route in the table (Mikrotik) without 
knowing the netmask?
For instance
/ip route print where dst-address="208.65.55.1" will return nothing.
But if you search by netmask (/ip route print where 
dst-address="208.65.48.0/21") will find the route. Just wondering if there 
is a way to pattern match it or something, Like in Quagga/Cisco you can do 
a "show ip bgp 208.65.55.1" and it will show you the route as well as the 
path(s) it can take and the best one.

And on another note, Has anyone setup a Quagga based "route server" with 
telnet access that is willing to share details or configs on how to set one 
up?

Nick Olsen
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Re: [WISPA] FW: ubnt is fricken bad ass!

[Matt]

>
> http://www.3dbwireless.com/boyd/
>

Any word on the how and when of GPS sync?



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[jp]

Perhaps this feature is there to be tested for future 5.4 use. They've 
got DFS, now they are testing the auto channel selection, fcc is willing 
to do 5.4 certs again now, things are looking up and I hope UBNT takes 
advantage of it.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:04:17PM -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> "AUTO channel Hopping" should be illegal.
> 
> With that said, FCC law requires it for DFS support.  That is hopping 
> off radar channel.
> If "Auto" channel selection is an ehancement that will assist using DFS more 
> reliably, well then I say good job in adding it, one more step towards 
> progress of FCC certifiabilty..
> One day it would be nice, if UBNT can be legal at 5.3 and 5.4.  DFS enabled 
> really does need abilty to define the channels that can be included or 
> excluded from the hopping.

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[WISPA] Belden 7918

[Mike Hammett]

Does anyone know if Belden 7918 cable measures on even 1000' increments 
or if it's random?

I didn't mark down the starting footage on two spools and can't see the 
ending footage.


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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Josh Luthman]

Easily enough, you just specify your number plans when 411 is matched to use
their gateway.  Cost is an entirely different factor, though.  I'd imagine
they don't make enough to justify you as a customer but that is an entirely
wild guest.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Scott Carullo
wrote:

> So can you use them for just 411?  How much does it cost?
>
> Maybe you can hook me into your system and reroute through them for $
>
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> --
> *From*: "Josh Luthman" 
>
> *Sent*: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:42 PM
> *To*: "WISPA General List" 
>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
>
>
> Doing well enough to keep me happy.  Global Crossing is one of our term
> providers.  I am using their 411 services.  The thread is about 411 services
> now that GOOG411 is gone...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>
>>  Same.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Fred Goldstein
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:32 PM
>>
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 11/10/2010 11:22 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>
>>  Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_002E_01CB812E.28171070"
>> Content-Language: en-us
>>
>> They still alive?  I had stock in them back in 99.  Lost a few
>> bucks……  $...@! It!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ 
>> mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:05 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
>>
>>
>> I an using global crossing.
>>
>> I'm not sure what GX has to do with 411, unless it's one of their
>> less-well-known sidelines.
>>
>> But in any case, Bob, "Global Double Crossing", which had practiced
>> somewhat creative accounting, went bankrupt in 2002 and its assets were
>> acquired by Singapore Telemedia.  Shareholders were wiped out.  Then it went
>> public anew in 2004.
>>
>>
>>   --
>>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>>  ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/
>>  +1 617 795 2701
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Mike Hammett]

Alive and doing well.

http://www.telecomramblings.com/search-results/?cx=partner-pub-2161536662137915:apagjq91kx7&cof=FORID:11&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Global+Crossing&sa=Search&siteurl=www.telecomramblings.com/ 



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On 11/10/2010 10:22 PM, Robert West wrote:


They still alive?  I had stock in them back in 99.  Lost a 
few bucks..  $...@! It!


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman

*Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:05 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

I an using global crossing.

On Nov 10, 2010 9:59 PM, "Robert West" > wrote:

> Costs like 35 bucks a call, right?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On

> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:41 PM
> To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; 
WISPA General List

> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
>
>
>
> Wow! Do people still call 411? I cant remember the last time I did.
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scott Carullo 
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>

> wrote:
>
> I just tested that thinking for sure I didn't care if there was an ad
> played... after all its free. But man that was painful then they try
> to get you to dial a competitor that advertises with them by hitting 
one key

> instead of giving you the number you wanted lol
>
> Do that any way for now, see how many people complain :)
>
>
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
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> _
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> From: "Nick" >

> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:04 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
>
>
>
> 1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based
>
> On 11/10/2010 5:37 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>
> We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its 
going away.
> Anyone know of a similar type service or do you guys just forward to 
your

> telephone provider upstream and eat the costs?
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
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