Re: [WISPA] Farewell and good luck to you all!!!
Peace Brother, your a classy dude and great technologist. Enjoy your new passion. DSJ Dustin Jurman C.E.O Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 North Westshore BLVD suite 711 Tampa, Fl 33607 Building Better Infrastructure On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.com wrote: It is with a heavy heart I send this email to you all to let you know I am moving on from my current employment and even this industry to the next step in my career. I've been a part of this group for 8.5 years and I've enjoyed being a part of the discussions (usually more passive) and observing and participating in growing the community we all love. A large majority of you I've probably never met, but we may have brushed shoulders at a WISPA shows, or others. I want to thank each and every one of you for your continued participation in this industry and I hope it continues to grow by leaps and bounds. You are all an inspiration and example of what a grass roots organization can do when determined and led by fantastic people. The next step in my career is taking me to Raleigh (from Central Florida) into a pre-sales solutions engineer position for data center products. I'm excited for this next BIG step in life as it will be a BIG change for me, not only professionally but personally as well. If any of you want to keep in touch, please email me directly before next Friday and I'll be happy share my personal email address with you. Again, thank you to all of you and good luck in your future endeavors! Dylan ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers
Hey Fred, we did exactly that with our Hardee County Network, we use licensed links between MEF switches. Rapid deployment with fiber forward design. I think we have been through all configurations, bridging, routing and layer2 switching. You could not hit the nail on the head any better here. The advantages of this type of design include scaleability, performance and reduced opex. DSJ Dustin Jurman C.E.O Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 North Westshore BLVD suite 711 Tampa, Fl 33607 Building Better Infrastructure On Oct 11, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.commailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 10/11/2012 06:52 PM, SamT wrote: Not sure I under stand the no-NAT, so every device on the other side of the CPE has it's own public IP? There could be one NAT, at the access point. My taste, which to be sure I haven't tested at scale in a wireless network (but plan to), is to follow what is becoming standard wireline practice and do switching, not bridging, at layer 2. Routing would then be lumped into one place, making it easier to manage. The problem with small Linux-based systems (this includes both UBNT and MT) is that they don't tend to have switching documented or set up in the UI, even if it's possible. Bridging is bad -- it was designed for orange hose Ethernet, and it passes broadcast traffic to everyone. We invented this at DEC in the 1980s and discovered how it doesn't scale too well -- we had a couple of thousand DECnet and IP nodes on a bridged LAN, and the background broadcast traffic level was 400 kbps. This was a lot for systems to handle in 1991. I was testing ISDN bridges and discovered how you can't just bridge that type of network across a 56k connection. (I discovered the traffic when I first turned up the bridge. I ended up isolating it behind a router, built from an old VAX. At DEC, we built everything ouf of VAXen.) Switching, though, is what Frame Relay and ATM do, and now Carrier Ethernet is the big thing for fiber. It uses the VLAN tag to identify the virtual circuit; the MAC addresses are just passed along. Since it's connection-oriented (via the tag), it can have QoS assigned. I think it's theoretically possible to tag user ports, route on tags and set QoS on RouterOS, but it's not obvious how to do it all. Switching doesn't pass broadcast traffic; it provides more isolation and privacy than plain routing. Mesh routing then works at that layer, transparent to IP. It'll be interesting to set up. On 10/11/2012 4:53 PM, Scott Reed wrote: We run MT, not UBNT, CPE, but it doesn't matter what brand it is. We run them in as routers, but do not NAT. Same benefits others mentioned for routing, just one fewer NAT. Never have a problem with it this way and can't see any good reason to NAT there. On 10/11/2012 3:46 PM, Arthur Stephens wrote: We currently use Ubiquiti radios in bridge mode and assign a ip address to the customers router. He have heard other wisp are using the Ubiquiti radio as a router. Would like feed back why one would do this when it appears customers would be double natted when they hook up their routers? Or does it not matter from the customer experience? Thanks -- Arthur Stephens Senior Sales Technician Ptera Wireless Inc. PO Box 135 24001 E Mission Suite 50 Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-927-7837 For technical support visit http://www.ptera.net/support - This message may contain confidential and/or propriety information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5802 - Release Date: 10/01/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.nethttp://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.comhttp://ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless
Re: [WISPA] DVR experience
The Mobotix is the bomb. We use them at tower sites, in our office and I have a tricked out system at home as well. DVR software is included and the Camera's are truly edge devices. We actually run both the DVR, FTP and capture with ONSSI at the same time. This allows us to have local consoles, long term storage and backup at the datacenter. I can't say enough good things about Mobotix. DSJ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DVR experience I am using Mobotix for cameras. The DVR software is free. Or the cams can perform the DVR function. Hit me offlist and I can give you a link to 2 I just put up out of 22 for a small city. ryan On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:16 PM, George Rogato wrote: Anyone working with dvr's and cameras that they really like? I'm looking for advice on what is good and what is not. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
WISPA did have a group of people that were attending meetings and trying to sway policy. The time schedule has just been published and hopefully rules and definitions will be firmed up shortly. WISPA could start delivering a facts sheet, Timeline and useful resources. WISPA should get vendors together to monetize the event as part of the communications effort. Maybe the board should think about a short term position to do this where someone makes some bucks managing this and the communications / opportunities for WISPA and the Members. Daniel, please don't start conversations with Charles is 100% right, Some of us are enjoying a nice hot cup of coffee and it could be dangerous to ourselves and equipment so early in the morning ;-) Dustin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations? Charles is right 100%, and he is being as proactive as any VAR (including DR and ourselves... Charles did a WiNOG on this not to long ago) trying to figure the mess out so you can get the money (hopefully you'll spend it with us right!). Here is what I know (and I've done more research and had more conversations than I think I cared to): - No one knows where the money is going to go or who is going to get it. Some people think the States are going to get all the money, others that Fiber will get all of the money, Telco's will get it, only people that have received RUS funding in the past will get it, etc. No one has a clear idea of where the money is going, so it's hard to say what anyone can do to help you get the money except give you an idea of what the RUS process is like. - Realistically, the only (and best) thing WISPA can do is provide a forum for people to discuss what they are doing to get the money, and WISPA can help lobby the government to get the money into our hands. I wouldn't expect WISPA to provide a grant in a box widget :-) - Many people are arguing already that if you haven't already filed paperwork, you're not going to get any money. It's amazing how many people have already put in RUS applications to get this money, before the rules on who is going to get it has been defined! - There are a 1,000 people now that think they are going to get a million dollars from the Government to start a WISP... I'm afraid they are going to crash and burn Metricom style. So while an incumbent might be the better choice to get the money, the packages newcomers are putting together are pretty impressive. But I digress... because... - Personally, I'm going to be surprised if the WISP industry gets even 10% of the money... the sad thing being we can do much more with it than the people that probably will get it. Anyways, I wouldn't expect any reseller/distributor/trade organization to give you the secret sauce on how to get that money. Sure we are all doing research to try to help people get money, but it doesn't mean they will be right (I've seen some pretty interesting ideas on who/how people are going to get money... some that I've wanted to laugh at). So I would start looking at filling out some of the RUS paperwork, and gathering as much information as you can. In the long run, if you want the money, YOUR going to have to go get it... everyone else can help though :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations? Hi Scott, What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it. I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust. From someone who's successfully navigated this process in various iterations, the process of putting in an application for government funding (be it RUS/NTIA/etc) is something that's measured in inches of thickness of paper and months (or years) of labor -- at the last ISPCON, Donny Bell, a WISP out of Minnesota mentioned that he spent in excess of $250k in time / effort / manpower / legal fees for his first RUS loan application -- and was denied! Keep in mind too, if you take a look at the comments on the stimulus funding, there were thousands of comments (and many from people with deep pockets and plenty of lawyers and DC lobbying) -- the competition for this money will be, IMO, incredibly stiff and will require a
Re: [WISPA] ptp400 5.8ghz bandwidth adjustment
Yes, you have an option through the setup wizard on the master side for Link Symmetry Options are, Symmetric Data Rate (1 to 1) Asymmetric Data Rate (2 to 1) Dustin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:31 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] ptp400 5.8ghz bandwidth adjustment I have a ptp400, that is a full link and am able to get 19.80mb/s each way. Is there a way to adjust throuput from the master to the slave, like there is in an ap/sm setup? My goal would be to get it 25-30 down to the slave and 15-10 from slave to master. Thanks for any help on this. Alan Long Aerowire, LLC 687 North Dean Rd. Auburn, AL 36830 Phone: 334-275-9998 www.aerowire.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower accident
Our tower crews are allowed to pick and choose what they like for Harness and Lanyards as long as it's approved by our safety manager. They all choose the exofit harness by DBSALA with the seat. I prefer this one as well. The new ones have a spring in the that makes the rear ring stick up, very nice. http://tinyurl.com/75m25v Dustin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower
Brian, They knew way before. How high are you going up? Dustin From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower Doug Ratcliffe wrote: So now that the entire internet now has figured out which tower I'm talking about (including local competition that may not have known where my tower broadcasts were located)... All the more reason to use the members list.. What kind of ethernet/POE shielding would allow me to run my switches/power packs/etc at the bottom of this tower based on 1kW? - Original Message - From: Leon Zetekoff mailto:wa4...@arrl.net wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower WMFJ is 1 kw as I thought. Matter of fact I might have been at that station evaluating it for a friends family in the 90s. It was one station in Daytona. Here's the link: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfj http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfjx=15y=6sr=Ys=C x=15y=6sr=Ys=C Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am guessing WMFJ - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE mailto:wa4...@backwoodswireless.net wa4...@backwoodswireless.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower * Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 1/3/2009 7:33 PM: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical antennas, attached with copper tubing from the transmitter to each of the antennas (which are on isolated standoffs, top to bottom. There is some kind of matching transformer in the building under the tower. The tower is 10kW, 1450 AM (good guess on the frequency!).. I think 1450 is a CLASS IV (or what was a CLASS IV) freq and should be 1kW. What's the callsign and location? leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lightning protection
A combination of surge protection and proper grounding is the key. We utilize a multi-point ground tester and find a large portion of our sites have poor grounds (less then 5 Ohms to earth) or some crack head stole the buss bars and copper. (Very likely in FLA). Testing has become part of our semi-annual maintenance. We also utilize static dissipaters to reduce the conditions for lightning to form around the site as well as surge protectors. As far as Transtectors, The large one for the canopy is very well designed and works well. We have replaced all of the ALPU-ORT (PTP Transtector versions) with the new Motorola units. They stand up better, are made for hanging on towers and don't fill with water after baking in the sun for a few years. Dustin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightning protection We are mostly Canopy and Redline AN80 around here. We have had great luck with the transtector ALPU-POE for Canopy and have had great luck with the units that are recommended by redline for AN80. We're actually trying on a couple of sites a POE with Surge from Hyperlinktech. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I'd like to inquiry this mailing list on what other WISPs use as far as lightning protection. We've had a bad spring every other year with something going bad. This recent past spring two towers were hit causing massive outages and a really bad day. We have a stock of these things which is why this was brought up: http://shop.wirelessguys.com/s.nl;jsessionid=0a0108421f43ab6dee3813784f588a6 a9ab61e2443c4.e3eTaxePaNqNe34Pa38Ta38NaNj0?it=Aid=2681 Usually for our Trangos and MTs we use the PacWireless esp-100-poe http://www.pacwireless.com/products/ESP-100-POE_datasheet.pdf The Transtector units have been on the shelf for a while, they came from an old storage unit from another company. With the price tag I wondered if they didn't do anything extra. I opened them up and it looks like nothing more then resistors and a patch pannel on a piece of PCB. The units that we lost last spring were RB532s with the esp-100-poe and two ODUs for Redline AN50s (not the IDU, though!) Hopefully someone can suggest a better way to defend us from those acts of god =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: Kernmantle Rope
But you need to go with what your safety device states to ward off any liability. Certified slings usually carries a nice variety of rope up to 2000 feet and safety devices. http://www.certifiedslings.com/home.php4 Be Safe! Dustin Dustin Jurman CEO Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 North Westshore Blvd - Suite 711 Tampa, Fl 33607 813-232-4887 dus...@rseng.net Building Better Infrastructure -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope What is the best lifeline rescue rope? On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:31 AM, CHUCK PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's the latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place, maybe harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool bag bouncing. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope. I found a spool here (sorry for the long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) - https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAINID~1=10 7ID~2=864ID~3=865CLEV=5PLEV=1QLEV=1PN=12764ITEM.NO=8PN.CT=21TRACKNO =J2537830143BANNERID=https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WE BDISP.WOEB.MAINID~1=107ID~2=864ID~3=865CLEV=5PLEV=1QLEV=1PN=12764ITE M.NO=8PN.CT=21TRACKNO=J2537830143BANNERID= Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a better source. Thanks! `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
They both have Ethernet ports! DSJ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 I was told that Redlines's WiMax solution would be interoperable - but that was a salesmen speaking. On 12/14/08, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service Inquiry
Anyone Service METAIRIE LA, Please send me an email off list. Dustin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] motorola bpl
Yes I have, Even have one installed in my house. Long Story. What is your question? Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RC Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:16 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] motorola bpl Anyone have any success using Motorola BPL system? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone service this area
Burnt Pine Plantation 1161 Blackwell Road Newborn, GA 30056 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service in LA
Looking for service in LA, near the home depot center. If you service this area please email me. Dustin Jurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
Processor speed is only part of the answer to the RISC, CISC battle and this type of radio design. Things flow in a logical operation and waiting occurs on the systems buses in the PC based design. Processor Cache Memory bus Memory Systems bus Ect.. Designs in the different buses or systems architectures, Bus mastering controllers, custom ASICs, as well as memory refresh strategy and ect.. all produce the end result. As you move down the list or through the system, each subsystem runs slower and slower, if you don't have custom ASIC's and have to come back to the proc for filtering and stuff like that, then you continue to tie the bus up. Most vendors provide performance charts based on minimum configuration but as you start adding thing like NAT, IP Filters and stuff like this you put more pressure on the proc and ultimately more pressure on the bus adding wait states, interrupt requests, ect, ect. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it has the slowest processor in MHZ? Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series at 200 or 400? They did specify on their report. Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets so much better speed at slower Mhz? While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is a reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient chips and tend to be even more so when they are used in specific environments. If anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might remember the raw numbers between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC when Apple first moved to them. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65
A while back Jack Unger explained how to get your product and antenna through FCC licensing (Certified System). If you are doing this and you have UBNT radio's then I believe he said that the costs of certification could be less because you would only have to do a mini certification. I also believe he suggested that he could assist with the process for a fee. If you need something right away then I would suggest that you consider doing something like this yourself, asking WISPA for some help, or possibly getting with other WISPA members in need. Current WIMAX gear is limited to 7.5 mhz channels at max so you're only going to produce a certain amount of bandwidth (18 meg at the port). UBNT cards can run at 20mhz and if you can get them tested they can run closer to 29.00 real world bandwidth. (Tested at the port in the lab on UBNT cards). If I'm wrong about that Jack can slap me for mis-understanding a post. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65 Someone I know is looking for unlicensed wimax on 3.65 GHz. I told him I didn't know if that was available (but hadn't looked). Does anyone else have any comments or experience on this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dickson tn
Disclaimer like Marlon as we are a dealer of MRV and Lightpoint but these are my unbiased reviews. MRV has been a solid product for short shots. I haven't had the cleaning and reaiming problem that some have claimed. It's really a matter of using the right mounts and learning how to aim these things. Like anything else you do a path calc and have a number to shoot for. The MRV's have an digital reading in the back telling you how hot you are, other units have a series of LEDS. The MRV is one of the best built units around and I like the POE unit to ease installation VS some of the other systems available. I have had nothing but trouble out of LightPoint and would encourage folks to use Plantree or MRV. Plain tree is interesting because of the fact that are LED based. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dickson tn I wish I was a poor tower owner :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:23:32 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dickson tn I do have a bite, so when looking for a WISP, I go to the WISPA General list. I am not a WISP, just a poor tower owner. I talked with a guy who was there in Dickson a while back, and can't find his contact info - but thought I met him from this list. Thanks all for the help. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dickson tn He is a WISP. I think he is asking if any other WISP service that error, because he may have a bite? Or, maybe if no one is servicing it, he will? Or, who knows. I service some counties in TN, but not Dickson. I do not know of any WISP in that area, but I am about 125 miles away from there. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dickson tn Blake Bowers wrote: Who is providing service in Dickson? What type of service? Wireless internet? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1519 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 4:13 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] multiple gateway question in mesh scenario
If you don't need roaming capability treat each one as it's own network or you could create one centralized distribution facility. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] multiple gateway question in mesh scenario What do others here do in situations where a mesh has multiple gateways? Say you have a large mesh and each egrees is a satellite uplink to a different ISP provider. Would you just assign multiple gateways on the DHCP server? Or would you use something like RADIUS to assign different network parameters to different users? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: Update on T1 Mobile Wireless Service
Had a group down here in Sarasota making similar claims. All BS. You can put lipstick on a turd and it's still a turd. People want to believe, they were in a small town north of here and convinced about 10 people to write them each 25,000 checks. The next day one of our old employees got word of this, got everyone together that had given them money and got their checks back under the agreement that they would give them the money if they would meet with us and we felt like they had some legs. You know the rest of the story. Never showed up, never called.. But all of these guys got their money back. Dustin Jurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Update on T1 Mobile Wireless Service HiHas anyone heard of these guys? They keep calling me wanting me to sign up to resell their service saying that if I don't there new technoligy will put me out of business. So far they claim 1.5M NLOS at 30 miles. They say it will cut through trees up to 16 to 20 miles in mountain terain. And they are selling T1s for $19.95 and T3s for $70-$80 with no setup, installation, or equipment costs.. And I get a whole $3 for for each customer I sign up. They also claim to be able to sell T2 and T3 service also. They claim to have 3 licenesed frequencies but will not disclose them. Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. Lots of marketing fluff and no facts. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Jack Sample / Namia Corporation To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Update on T1 Mobile Wireless Service Hi Jory, Tuesday, July 31, 2007 Hopefully you haven't forgotten me since a lot of water has passed under the bridge since I last communicated with you regarding the T-1 to T-3 level mobile wireless Internet service that is soon to be launched on the world. Well, you may have thought that we went away but it was only a temporary delay. First of all I want to apologize to you for the early notification that turned out to be a false summit. We had felt that launch was eminent when we sent out the cards late last year. The setback was only temporary though and we are finally emerging from the quiet time and able to share what is going on with everyone. I have included the last 7 months of short notes from ItsYourNet CEO Ken Stewart to catch you up on where are are and what can be expected in the next few months. I don't have any information other than what comes out in these news briefs so just stay tuned for further developments. January 4: From ItsYourNet CEO Ken Stewart... The questions are still coming in about the Wireless Internet project and Stock in the Corporation since I released the last newsletter announcing the orders we are under with the Quiet Time on Thursday, December 22, 2006. So... Let me say this again... We are under strict orders to not say anything further about the Wireless project until authorized to do so. And as a result, these questions need to stop coming in to our support channels - Thank you! Furthermore, with a $13-Billion investor, no Seed or Preferred Stock needs to be offered and no other investment capital needs to be sought, so sale of Stock is not required to raise the money needed to launch the project. What you do and will receive as an Affiliate with ItsYourNet is notification of the Stock being made available to the public before you can learn about it going live anywhere else. We will let you know when the Stock is live for public purchase even before your Broker calls you to recommend buying it, but that is all we can do; ItsYourNet does not own the Wireless Company, and even I personally have no way to obtain Stock before it is available publicly. April 26: from ItsYourNet CEO, Ken Stewart... The Wireless Corporation CEO, Mr. Gary Brown, met with us here at ItsYourNet's office last Tuesday and shared some wonderful new developments that we've been authorized to pass on to you. The latest on the CPU / chip development is that there are now just two (2) chip manufacturers remaining in the bidding process for the mass production of the chip required to run the Wireless systems. Although we're not yet authorized to disclose the name of these two manufacturers, we expect by the next Newsletter release on May 10, 2007 that we should be able to provide a solid time-frame for the prototype chips to be created, and, thus project a solid time-frame for the mountainous terrain testing. Further developments and news Gary offered is that the Wireless services are going to be going global much faster than originally planned! Due to recent business connections made, shortly after the North American Wireless service is introduced, China will be opened up
RE: [WISPA] Industry failings
They absolutely will. Being an ISP you understand build out costs, some put a lot more into a site than others. We'd probably do things a little differently, maybe not. Here is what I do know. 1. They spare no expense at building sites, sites are solid. We share many sites with Fiber Tower. Very nicely done. 2. They seem to have very good dealings with all of the tower companies which gets them bulk pricing, reduced costs, etc.. 3. I think if we all haven't learned the lessons from Winstar then we would be foolish. Fiber tower does have a huge market and there is very little competition. 4. You know the LEC actually put someone beneath ISP's, the cell phone carriers so when their T1 blows out at a tower, ISP's are actually serviced before the cell carrier. 5. The architecture is very nice, very good equipment. 6. Look how many sites they have built in a year. It's sick... 7. We all know that once you build a site it takes some time to monetize them, they seem a little behind but maybe not. 8. Wall street will keep feeding them as long as they are executing, and they are doing a good job of that. Dustin Jurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings Wow. Do you have any factual basis for those statements, or are you just hoping? Does customers that send lots of jobs and money translate in any way to a net loss of 14.5 million in the third quarter of 2006, as opposed to a 4.9 million dollar loss in same quarter 2005? It is kind of scary when a company in that shape sees their general and admin costs go up 354% in that period, when the actual costs of providing that service go up only around 105%. Now, with that said, it is a good concept. The only issue is whether or not Wall Street will let them hang around burning money until they start showing a profit. - Original Message - From: Dustin Jurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Industry failings Fiber Tower is rocking the house. They are very focused and have a core nitch of customers that not only love their service but are willing to send lots of jobs and money to them. Oh.. And they are executing like white on rice. Dustin Jurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings The one thing that has been the failure of SO many companies including NextLink, Yipes, et al - NOT ENOUGH SALES. Folks in the greater ISP industry tend to focus much of their attention on the technology. Building, tinkering, tweaking. Equally, your focus has to be on sales marketing. It's the end of another year (http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/12/eoy-part-ii.html), take time to make goals for the new year - and to create a sales plan for your company and a marketing plan. (Even if you don't follow it, at least you have taken the time to think about it). Marketing for WISP's: http://www.isp-planet.com/marketing/2006/ispcon_wireless_marketing.html Here's a couple of things about low hanging fruit: easy to pick - by you or anyone else; and if not picked, it gets rotten and falls off the tree. To your success, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. Marketing IDEA guy.com (813) 963-5884 I take the technology and help you turn it into revenue. Matt Liotta wrote: One the biggest factors holding our industry back is a lack of success on the part of the big poster children. People look at the past failures of WinStar and Teligent and wonder if new entrants can succeed. Many investors are watching FiberTower and NextLink to see if these new poster children can prove the business model. It doesn't really matter that neither FiberTower or NextLink are representative of our industry. What matters is they are both publicly traded fixed wireless companies. This means that all fixed wireless companies are viewed through the lens of these publicly traded companies since they are the only ones with enough information for people to draw conclusions on. If you look at FiberTower's and NextLink's latest numbers you should be very worried. NextLink is failing and I predict will be out of business in the not too distant future. FiberTower is much better off than NextLink, but they are burning cash at an impressive rate. One can easily predict them running out of cash sometime next year if things follow a similar trend. Some of us on this list do more revenue than NextLink, but I doubt that will matter when they go under. Our valuations will decline in lock step to any failures by these two companies. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
RE: [WISPA] Industry failings
Well I guess we all learned something different from Winstar. I can think of a bunch of other things, I surely have never thought that a 10 year ROI was a valuable lesson to be learned from them when they clearly made more grave mistakes. As far as American Tower is concerned, Fantastic! To have a tower company in your back pocket, we'd all kill for that one. Funny thing is I haven't seen them on very many American sites, but I have seen them on everyone else's. Doesn't matter where I am at, I'm always looking up and counting equipment hanging in the air. I've seen a lot of good and a lot of bad. I also make it a point to speak with everyone going in and out of tower sites and the local groups that support them. Like I said, I run into these guys quite a bit at a lot of different sites. Time will tell how they monetize the network. I'm just pointing out that a lot of folks in this industry have a very different viewpoint on fibertower, and they can do a lot of good for legitimizing the industry which I believe was the original intent. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings Dustin Jurman wrote: Being an ISP you understand build out costs, some put a lot more into a site than others. We'd probably do things a little differently, maybe not. Here is what I do know. WinStar's plan assumed a 10 year ROI on a site. In hindsight that seems rather foolish now, but back then they convinced people it made sense. 2. They seem to have very good dealings with all of the tower companies which gets them bulk pricing, reduced costs, etc.. American Tower is a major shareholder, so this should be expected. 6. Look how many sites they have built in a year. It's sick... Look how few they have monetized. It's sick... 7. We all know that once you build a site it takes some time to monetize them, they seem a little behind but maybe not. Very behind! 8. Wall street will keep feeding them as long as they are executing, and they are doing a good job of that. Who says they are executing? Good installs, good equipment, lots of sites built, and happy customers are all important things, but none of them mean they are executing well. They actually need to execute against their business plan, which includes things like cash flow and profitability. Both currently stink. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Industry failings
Matt can you send some links for those sources. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Industry failings One the biggest factors holding our industry back is a lack of success on the part of the big poster children. People look at the past failures of WinStar and Teligent and wonder if new entrants can succeed. Many investors are watching FiberTower and NextLink to see if these new poster children can prove the business model. It doesn't really matter that neither FiberTower or NextLink are representative of our industry. What matters is they are both publicly traded fixed wireless companies. This means that all fixed wireless companies are viewed through the lens of these publicly traded companies since they are the only ones with enough information for people to draw conclusions on. If you look at FiberTower's and NextLink's latest numbers you should be very worried. NextLink is failing and I predict will be out of business in the not too distant future. FiberTower is much better off than NextLink, but they are burning cash at an impressive rate. One can easily predict them running out of cash sometime next year if things follow a similar trend. Some of us on this list do more revenue than NextLink, but I doubt that will matter when they go under. Our valuations will decline in lock step to any failures by these two companies. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference
Hey Marlon, Here is my anritsu list. Love it, with all the upgrades I can't remember the cost but it was in the same ballpark. 1. 3.0-6 gig attachment is a little annoying because you have to take it on and off. 2. Battery life is Ok, like the care charger, Big brick to lug around on the AC cord. 3. Use in sunlight is great, Buttons work really well and placed in good position. Don't like the interface to label saved sweeps. Kind of like using your cell phone to txt someone. Big pain in the ass. 4. Resolution is really good 5. It's very flexible as far as software options. 6. support is very good. I had lots of questions when we got our first one. They answered them all and did some guiding over the phone. 7. Yearly recalibration is recommended. 8. Durable and light weight. Still need a backpact to carry all of your antenna's around. 9. I've seen better PC software on other units but it's not too bad. Some of the PC based stuff seems better for generic long term stuff but not high resolution scans. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference Hiya Dustin, I have an Advantest. 9k to 8g. Very nice. When I get another one I'm gonna look for a couple of things. I like the color lcd display, but it needs to be brighter for use in the sun. I'd get one that's got fewer buttons on it. I don't need to decode cell phone calls. Portable with battery backup would be cool. I LOVE the Anritsu units that EC carries. Too bad that the small ones need the frequency converters for our use. I also need to get some more of the super flexible 10' lmr 400 type cable. My last one didn't make it back from the rental Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dustin Jurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:05 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference Hey Marlon, This may be a great opportunity for us to help some folks talk about spectrum analyzers here. What are you using today? I'm using the anritsu spectrum master. Expensive but I've been very happy with it. Maybe we should get some bullet points together. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference I use a spectrum analyzer. It's for rent too :-). EC also has a very nice portable unit (much easier to use) that's available for rent. Or they have them for sale if you're looking for something to keep. I used to use some tools from teletronics but the new version isn't nearly as good. If you just need something that'll give you a ballpark reading they do work better than nothing. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mike Ireton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference In our neck of the woods we have some areas where 802.11 systems simply do not function, period (and this is across a range of frequency bands and equipment manufacturers). And sometimes, in some limited cases, we will have a sub who appears to be experiencing interference that is much louder than our rssi at the sub (say they have a -63, but they still can't reliably hear the ap well enough for communication) and there's nothing really obvious in the area we can see. We know it's radio interference because we can play the channel flipping game, but we'd like to be better than that and actually diagnose the problem and identify the source and direction of the transmitter creating the problem, so that we can plan better and actually provide a resolution that will last for that sub. We know about spectrum analysis and such and actually own a handy unit (the Spectran) but it doesn't give real time data useful for direction finding. What are some of the other tools (hand held or truck mounted, not built-in firmware features) you folks use for this? If we had a tool that would just give us knowledge about the non-household applications present in these areas (where non-household
RE: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference
Hey Marlon, This may be a great opportunity for us to help some folks talk about spectrum analyzers here. What are you using today? I'm using the anritsu spectrum master. Expensive but I've been very happy with it. Maybe we should get some bullet points together. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference I use a spectrum analyzer. It's for rent too :-). EC also has a very nice portable unit (much easier to use) that's available for rent. Or they have them for sale if you're looking for something to keep. I used to use some tools from teletronics but the new version isn't nearly as good. If you just need something that'll give you a ballpark reading they do work better than nothing. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mike Ireton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference In our neck of the woods we have some areas where 802.11 systems simply do not function, period (and this is across a range of frequency bands and equipment manufacturers). And sometimes, in some limited cases, we will have a sub who appears to be experiencing interference that is much louder than our rssi at the sub (say they have a -63, but they still can't reliably hear the ap well enough for communication) and there's nothing really obvious in the area we can see. We know it's radio interference because we can play the channel flipping game, but we'd like to be better than that and actually diagnose the problem and identify the source and direction of the transmitter creating the problem, so that we can plan better and actually provide a resolution that will last for that sub. We know about spectrum analysis and such and actually own a handy unit (the Spectran) but it doesn't give real time data useful for direction finding. What are some of the other tools (hand held or truck mounted, not built-in firmware features) you folks use for this? If we had a tool that would just give us knowledge about the non-household applications present in these areas (where non-household is anything with a larger gain antenna and/or power output than a cordless phone or wireless access point), we could even go so far as to try and coordinate with those applications for the betterment of everyone. But just waking up one morning and learning a long time customer now has an Interference problem you have no way to resolve other than by terminating the business relationship, just really sucks ass in my opinion. And when you run out of tricks like new antennas, equipment, alignments and such, that's exactly what you're left with. Mike- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)
Don, you talking about the AZ event? DSJ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Renner Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon) I will be in meetings with Motorola next week. Will see if can get done. What level did Alvarion commit to? Might help get them to make bigger outlay. Don Renner NetsurfUSA, Inc. 812-936-4514 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon) Im not sure whether they have yet. I think they were last year but I dont recall right now. Anyone who is a valuable Motorola customer want to take this on? Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon) On 9/28/06, Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we can get Motorola to become a WISPA vendor member, we will gladly start a list here without those restrictions. How has Motorola been approached? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] BridgeWave Empowers One Ring to Rule Atlanta's Skies
Nice going Matt!!! Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] BridgeWave Empowers One Ring to Rule Atlanta's Skies http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060926/20060926005421.html?.v=1 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Not me, no way!
I remember the same thing about the movie the net. I was so pissed off when they had Ip addresses in the 300's I can't even look at Sandra today without thinking poser! Then the movie firewall came out and Harrison Ford goes into a cisco pix firewall and puts such a lame access list in that stops a hacker. I almost died. Bye Bye Indiana I spent some time over at a forensic lab and asked them about CSI they had a similar reaction. You just can't take this stuff seriously because it happens in every environment. All the flaws in this and it still gets you when he looks down and you see the birds flying below. I enjoyed it, and I'll be having a coke and a smile. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:17 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Not me, no way! I realize it's a commercial and all; but seriously There appears to be a Ladder inside the tower, just like the 1,000 footers up here. I would surely not think they would try to climb the face of a tower like that. Second, a tower like that SWAYS big time that high up, with a good breeze I can watch the 1,100' tower sway with binoculars. During a storm, if it's light enough out, you can see it with the naked eye. The older fellow did not have any shock absorbing lanyards with, much less hooked off above him. However I would have liked to saw what happens to that coke bottle if it hit he ground. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Not me, no way! Are you sure you are looking at the same climber? But anyways, to answer your question, about what their job is - its to act in a commercial! - Original Message - From: fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Not me, no way! Some bad editing (i mean movie magic)... how did he get from being hooked around a post to the middle of the cross members ;) i think it is cool though! except what exactly is their job? It looks like there's a marker light on the opposite top piece but not the one they're on. have fun. On 8/28/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pockethercules.com/broadcast_detail16.html Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] antenna question
I've seen two dish elements go bad in the last couple of years. Dustin Jurman Rapid Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Brownson Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] antenna question Having been in the wireless business for 30 years I've seen a bunch. And antennas can fail. There are a multitude of components that can break. In order of failure points we generally look to cable and connectors first, then active components like the radio and antennas last. In the radio business everyone has a power meter to test these sorts of things. In about 5 minutes you can determine if it's the cable or antenna with the proper instrument. Unfortunately most in this industry are not aware of using power meters. We sell one from Praxym that's just super cool and easy, but it's $1295. However that may be a lot cheaper than the cost of the outage and tower climbers and time guessing what's wrong. Or perhaps not? I have also seen one bad cable replaced with another. Mike B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Waverider ccu that stopped accepting associations from cpe. Swapped ccu, bypassed filter, replaced cabling, everyting but the antenna. All the spec ans stay flat. My guys on the tower are pointing to the antenna, 2 yr. old til-tek sector as the failure point. Ive never had an antenna go bad. Any one else had a similar experience? Thanks, Chris -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality
Tom, You have a lot of good points, but so does Charles and others, Why don't you petition WISPA and some of the other ISP organization to sponsor a Net Neutrality bakeoff. You can have views from the service provider aspects. What needs and will come out of it in the end will be the discussion of how complex this issue is. Then Steam it so people can watch get educated on their own time. (The ISP organization can brand the daylights out of it for their contributions). Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality I understood Charles post regarding net neutrality, that you summarized also very clearly. My point is that Net Neutrality conflicts with other laws and regulations as well. So voting for some thing for one reason, could also mean voting against it for another. For a strong Net NEtrality act, you'd aahve to allow FON, but for other leegal matters, you'd have to deny FON. So it becomes a compflict of which issue is more important to protect? Whcih has precidence? Thats what Congress and ISPs have to decide. Its not a right ro wrong answer. Its what answer has more (or more important) rights than wrongs? I think Home Land Security/Law inforcement/ Privacy advocates, and Net Neutrality experets really need to be ALL working on the Net neutrality issue together, because its all intertwined. What I see happening is a bunch of conflicting regulations being passed, with out rtealizing it when getting voted on. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality I think what Charles is getting at is, is it legal for an ISP to place the 'no open AP' or 'no sharing your connection' restriction on your service? I have heard some people arguing the case that NN is I'm paying for my bandwidth so I can do what I want to with it. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Tom DeReggi wrote: If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from using your network as well. As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use Policiies, therefore illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and enforcable contracts. Strategically its a great time for FON to release their venture, to test the rules, the public, and ISPs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Charles Wu mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com http://www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:41 AM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. Anyone test one yet ? I want to know what network their hotspot runs back to, so I can block it Can someone that might have one throw a sniffer against it ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ !DSPAM:16,44a2c5c4194921117628507! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ALBERTO
We're seeing the storm bands in Tampa now. Very wet. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ALBERTO We have earlier happy hours down here in the south. I guess it helps us to cope with all of this. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] ALBERTO And the more I thank god you live in the NorthWest as well :)~ JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ALBERTO the more this happens to you folks down there... the more I thank God I live in the Northwest. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] ALBERTO Looks like it's that time of year again! Looks like we are starting early again this year and I really hate that!! http://www.weather.com/maps/news/atlstorm1/closeupsat_large_animated.h tml Mac Dearman -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible?
No, Shriv is correct. You get banned if you have a problem with the equipment and get stuck in a RMA / credit loophole which you can't get in touch with anyone to help you. My experience after 10 years of doing business with them was shocking. DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible? A refund or a credit? I'm not aware of many vendors that agree to give refunds. A sale is a sale. Just because the cost to get it shipped is near the profit margin, and probably more costly to process the return than the profit on the sale in most cases as well. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rudolph Worrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible? John, I was looking for a response like yours. I requested a refund lately and was denied even though we called immediately after item was delivered. Has anyone ever returned and item to Hyperlinktech.com Quoting John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We were banned from doing business with them because we requested a return once. Not kidding. Scriv Rudolph Worrell wrote: Can someone give me their honest opinion about doing business with www.hyperlinktech.com. They seem to have a great deal of antennas and cable but I am not sure they are WISP friendly as odd as that seems. - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes
That's 114 a year, it's 9.50 a sub on a monthly rate. DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes Bob Moldashel wrote: 3500 registered users using a network that costs $400K per year to maintain!!! That's $114 per subscriber! Why not just pay to give them DSL! LOL You laugh, but there are ISPs with less than 50 broadband customers. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options
Title: Message Actually using both poles increases the sensitivity of the radio at least by the way the Orthogon/Canopy 300s operate when in single payload. The dual payload option decouples this feature and you really have two radios sending information on the same dish, one in H and one in V. If you look at the release notes any time the radios are in dual payload you need more receive sensitivity then in single payload. (makes sense right?) Only the Spectra/Canopy300s operate in dual payload mode. The Gemini/Moto 60s operate in single payload all the time giving them a very high system gain by allowing them to combine both poles into a single signal for processing. So to answer your question, Yes dual pole can combat noise by increasing system gain really just creating more C/I. A while ago I told you that I was testing some of the new Gabriel High Performance dishes. When I get some time I have some screen shots that Ill post that I think youll find very interesting. Dustin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options Dustin, You have showed how using both Pols, can reduce the sensitivity requirements of the radio, able to extend link distance, and likely aid in NLOS(that could degrade signal) as well. However, when Tackling noise, that doesn't really help, does it? As the sensitivity drops, that RSSI level also gets closer to the noise floor, in many cases cancelling out the benefit. So my question to you is have you seen theDual Pol config help combat the noise? Meaning... Allowing the radio to operate closer to the noise floor at high modulations. Maybe by rebuilding the wave by comparing them?For example, Proxim's circular pol solution, often allows it to operate closer to the noise floor because if it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dustin Jurman To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options Charles you make a good point, but Im going to throw a but in here: but the Orthogon / Canopy 300 radios will run also run at: 64 QAM .92 dual -62 receive sensitivity +18 output (252.9 throughput) 64 QAM .75 dual -68 receive sensitivity +18 output (206.7 throughput) 16 QAM .87 dual -71 receive sensitivity +20 output (160.8 throughput) Full list can be found in the release notes and if you do the math on those modulations you can get some very good performance. I do agree with you that the licensed links would make more sense, but hanging 4 foot dishes on towers becomes a very expensive task or if you have to do a non-penetrating roof mount skid, the cost difference between the sleds is big. So we have to take in more than the cost of the radios, licenses, leases and dishes but put together the total cost because if you are hanging BIG dishes youre going to dig deeper into your pocket. Sorry I missed you at the show, Im on baby watch so when she saw wireless beer and gear she called foul and took away my kitchen pass L. Dustin Jurman From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 5:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options The Spectra would be around $20k with external antennas. A licensed product is going to be at least that, and probably $5k more. Sit back and actually think for a second about this comparison, and you'll realize thata similarly performingunlicensed solution will cost MUCHMORE (and be much riskier)relative to the licensed solution The main difference is that the spectra requires 30 Mhz of ABSOLUTELY CLEAN SPECTRUM in both the vertical and horizontal polarities (150 Mb Air Rate transmits on V-pol 150 Mb Air Rate transmits on H-pol -- cut off 1 polarity, you halve throughput) In addition, the Rx sensitivity of the Spectra at the 300 Mb data rate (256 QAM) is -59 dB with an output power of +18 (so you'll need HUGE dishes to guarantee the link budget) So, lets do a theoretical path calc / comparison (15 miles) 11 Ghz Licensed Link (100 Mb Full Duplex) Rx Sensitivity: -76 dBm Tx Power: +21 dBm 4' Dish: +39 dBi Expected RSSI: -42.9 (30 dB of fade margin= ROCK SOLID LINK =) 5 GHz Spectra Rx Sensitivity: -59 dB Tx Power: +18 6' Dish: +34 dBi Expected RSSI: -49.4 (~10 dB of fade margin w/ 2' more of each dish) Then there's all sort of real-world performance issues that occur with higher-order modulation schemes and license-exempt operation -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15
RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options
Title: Message Charles you make a good point, but Im going to throw a but in here: but the Orthogon / Canopy 300 radios will run also run at: 64 QAM .92 dual -62 receive sensitivity +18 output (252.9 throughput) 64 QAM .75 dual -68 receive sensitivity +18 output (206.7 throughput) 16 QAM .87 dual -71 receive sensitivity +20 output (160.8 throughput) Full list can be found in the release notes and if you do the math on those modulations you can get some very good performance. I do agree with you that the licensed links would make more sense, but hanging 4 foot dishes on towers becomes a very expensive task or if you have to do a non-penetrating roof mount skid, the cost difference between the sleds is big. So we have to take in more than the cost of the radios, licenses, leases and dishes but put together the total cost because if you are hanging BIG dishes youre going to dig deeper into your pocket. Sorry I missed you at the show, Im on baby watch so when she saw wireless beer and gear she called foul and took away my kitchen pass L. Dustin Jurman From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 5:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options The Spectra would be around $20k with external antennas. A licensed product is going to be at least that, and probably $5k more. Sit back and actually think for a second about this comparison, and you'll realize thata similarly performingunlicensed solution will cost MUCHMORE (and be much riskier)relative to the licensed solution The main difference is that the spectra requires 30 Mhz of ABSOLUTELY CLEAN SPECTRUM in both the vertical and horizontal polarities (150 Mb Air Rate transmits on V-pol 150 Mb Air Rate transmits on H-pol -- cut off 1 polarity, you halve throughput) In addition, the Rx sensitivity of the Spectra at the 300 Mb data rate (256 QAM) is -59 dB with an output power of +18 (so you'll need HUGE dishes to guarantee the link budget) So, lets do a theoretical path calc / comparison (15 miles) 11 Ghz Licensed Link (100 Mb Full Duplex) Rx Sensitivity: -76 dBm Tx Power: +21 dBm 4' Dish: +39 dBi Expected RSSI: -42.9 (30 dB of fade margin= ROCK SOLID LINK =) 5 GHz Spectra Rx Sensitivity: -59 dB Tx Power: +18 6' Dish: +34 dBi Expected RSSI: -49.4 (~10 dB of fade margin w/ 2' more of each dish) Then there's all sort of real-world performance issues that occur with higher-order modulation schemes and license-exempt operation -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: You don't need licensed to high throughput backhaul. For example, Orthogon's Spectra provides 300Mbps aggregate at a price point generally Less than 45Mbps licensed. Hi Matt,I am curious to see where / what you got those numbers for the OrthogonSpectra?-Charles---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Matt LiottaSent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:28 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options-MattBobby Burrow wrote: I'm looking at moving to a licensed solution to increase throughput across one of out backhaul links that spans 5 hops. Distances between hops range anywhere from 7 to 19 miles.We are currently using the dual nstreme Mikrotik solution and it is working very well, however the WRAP/RB532 solutions are only yielding ~25Mb per hop.Can anyone recommend a licensed radio manufacturer that should net us 50Mb-100Mb per hop?Thanks,Bobby BurrowEast Texas Rural Netwww.etxrn.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Delta3 - is the EBITA? DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share more about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in knowing anything I can about them right now. Thanks, Scriv Peter R. wrote: You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet. Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP company. Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out how to make a profit. Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in revenue in 4Q05 and just $22k in income. Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their MRC. Regards, Peter Jonathan Schmidt wrote: I've been personally delighted with two years of Lingo giving me unlimited USA/Canada/EUROPE calling on 7 lines each for $19.95/month and an unusually rich set of features (like e-mailing me compressed WAV files of all incoming voicemails, etc.). Now, that's retail w/box and support. I've taken the box on trips and routed it through my laptop Ethernet while the laptop is on a V.32 dialup and it works but sounds kind of like a cell phone but having my local number with me in Europe and having unlimited free calls throughout Europe from Europe or Eastern Europe for ZERO additional cost is kinda cool. It's SIP but they keep promising a soft phone for the line, like Vonaga, but haven't seen it yet. . . . j o n a t h a n -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory
Hey Matt, It would be nice to see this in a word document or Text based so one could add comments to your work. DSJ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory Attached is a quick rundown of basic mesh theory that I put together in light of the recent thread. It hasn't been peer reviewed or edited, which I would normally do before sharing publicly. But since I only wrote because of a thread on this list I figured I would just share it. Feel free to pick it apart. I do want to point out a couple of things though. First, this was written in a generic way only covering mesh as a theory. As written it can be applied to various transport technologies from fiber to wireless; though I do provide an example using wireless P2P links. Applying mesh theory to wireless P2MP or ad-hoc networks would require special coverage. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory
It didn't attach correctly. DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory The file is attached as RTF. -Matt Dustin Jurman wrote: Hey Matt, It would be nice to see this in a word document or Text based so one could add comments to your work. DSJ *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Matt Liotta *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:56 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory Attached is a quick rundown of basic mesh theory that I put together in light of the recent thread. It hasn't been peer reviewed or edited, which I would normally do before sharing publicly. But since I only wrote because of a thread on this list I figured I would just share it. Feel free to pick it apart. I do want to point out a couple of things though. First, this was written in a generic way only covering mesh as a theory. As written it can be applied to various transport technologies from fiber to wireless; though I do provide an example using wireless P2P links. Applying mesh theory to wireless P2MP or ad-hoc networks would require special coverage. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference
Tom, There are always several ways to skin that cat! Well the larger antenna would certainly allow you to decrease your back lobe and increase power and the size of your ear. If the problem is interference at your site, a lot of this is going to depend on how your site is built, length of the face of the tower, and direction of all of your equipment. While I haven't done any current work with the 2 foot Gabriel professional series I've been hearing enough good stuff about it that I ordered one to play with and see if it worth deploying. What I like to do in situations like this is break out the Anritsu spectrum analyzer and spend some time documenting the site. Knowing the ambient noise floor at the site is important before putting any additional equipment up as it's likely to interfere with other equipment. Dustin Jurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference Thanks, Charles and Dustin, The challenge I'm working on is to determine if the degregation of my test link, is caused by A) Distortion on the transmitter, at full power? or B) Overload or lack of acuracy of the receiver. or C) Or Just plain interference creeping in. (tested at about -80db) note: multipath unlikely, as LOS link, 10 miles, parabolic antenna, o wall behind antennas, 100ft above other buildings. In my Trango test case, w/ 2ft antennas, QAM16, at -55 db I got worse signal Quality quality (packet loss) than at -65db. To me that would infer case A or B was happening. What was interesting, is my Mikrotik test link w/ range5s, actually got peak rssi (full power) of -47db apposed to Altas's peak signal of -55. (note: path analisys calculated -55 db appropriate, so not a negative for the Trango, but a Plus for the Range 5, exceeding expectations). With the Mikrotik, the higher the rssi radio power, the better the speed results, and lower the packet loss. So Mikrotik did not seem to be plagued with the same delimna. However, at a surprise, the Mikrotik performed at a slower speed, and had more packet loss, in its best link configuration, than Trango had. So the Trango at -65db QAM16, outperformed the Mikrotik at -47db. I attribute those results partially, to how the radios deal with interference. One side of the link (AP/MU) had significant noise, causing the Mikrotik to lower modulation more frequently. I proved this, by repeating speed tests with Trango using 5.3Ghz, which performed perfect links (no loss). However, the 10-11 miles was pushing the maxrange of 5.3, and I felt 5.3 was to risky, based on that. I actually had to turnup the Power a little over the legal limit to get the perfect link, but still lower rssi than the 5.8G link. But my point was, when noise wasn't there, the links worked much better. So the decission I am trying to decide on is, a) increase the gain (dbi) of the antennas and lower the gain (dbm) of the radio, to improve the link. For example, upgrade from 2 ft dished to 3 or 4 ft dished. or b) get a better 2 ft antenna with more isolation. For example, upgrade Gabriel cheap 2 ft para to the high performance 2 ft Gabriel Drum style antennas? Either one could have a possitive effect. Its likely that my noise is comming from my colocated antennas at the same site. The Drum style antenna will likely have much better isolation comming from the sides. Better F/B ratio is not jsut about an antenna behind me, but also beside me, and interference is not always cured by lowering the beamwidth, if the interference is comming from the side. So better isolation antenna could be the choice. However, if the packet loss was from self generated noise, larger antenna would keep my gain up, even after lowering power. However, I actually would still have a gain improvement, because the antenna increases gain in both directions, where as lowering he TX power only does it in one direction. Because most of my interference is at the AP/MU side my paln was possibly to Increase the antenna at the RU/Client, to a 3-4 ft dish. If packet loss at -55db was due to transmitting to high power, and loss was at MU/AP then it would be most importantto lower transmit power at the RU/Client side. Increasing dish size at RU would help this. Then on the MU/AP side, I would add the high performance 2ft antenna, with better isolation, taking that most of teh interference may be colocation interference. Increasing the antenna size may not block interference comming from the side. But then again, if interference comming from the front (I have another site 20 deg off to the left), its possible the larger dish and narrower beam may in fact also help isolate interference. Now to make it complicated, what if the cause is not interference at the radio receivers? But instead its all the RF in between
RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)
If the spectrum analyzer is left in place for a period of time and setup with peak hold you will quickly find that radio that is used at the end of the day. It still speaks, handshakes and more. Just setting up big shots and blowing people out is bad business for everyone. If the customer wants a quality shot then there should be no problem doing a spectrum analysis, freq decision and installation shortly after. I agree it's only good for a certain amount of time, but if the customer wants a reliable shot then due diligence is better than chance luck. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!) AUGH! This whole thread.. Some have touched on pieces of it but how about this summary.. The Redline is a two piece radio. It does not send 5 Ghz up the cable. It sends an IF frequency which is lower and more forgiving as well as power to operate the outdoor unit. The Redline as pointed out does not have a spectrum analyzer (in the versions I have worked with). As such they probably just checked for RSL on any or all channels. This is not a spectrum analysis by any means. The Redline equipment is great equipment but it is not a spectrum analyzer. A spectrum analysis is flawed in almost any case really because it is only good at the time of the testing and along the path of the test. You really will only see stronger signals with an omni. But you can still have your signal killed if someone is using directional antennas and looking down your path. There is a big difference from 8 dB to 29 dB. The other case is a 5 Ghz. system in place that only is used at the end of the day or does dumps' at certain times. Unlike a full duplex radio like a Proxim Tsunami that is talking all the time regardless of the received signal, you may only see a signal when the associated equipment is passing data. In my book you can't do reliable spectrum analysis with any radio or assocaited radio card. Yes, there are systems out there that work really well but I would not be willing to bet my reputation on most. Will they get you by in most cases??? Sure. But... To answer your question..Yes, the spectrum analysis was flawed. Personally...we never do spectrum analysis. It causes more headaches than what it is worth IMHO. Is it great for finding interference?? Sure. I have installed links in lower Manhattan (nearly 70 to date on unlicensed 5 Ghz), Washington DC and Boston without ever needing a spectrum analysis. All these locations are RF hotbeds. A few things to consider. Use a radio with a very good C/I value. Use 2' or larger antennas to keep the beamwidth tight. Use radios that are capable of 5 or 10 Mhz. channels. Use radios with high RF power output. If you need to run transmission line to the radio, use the right stuff for the job. LMR400 and 5 Ghz. are not my considered options unless the cable length is less than 24. We use LMR600 up to 100' and 5/8 heliax after that. make sure the radio has a good receiver threshold. Wherever possible we use 5.3 Ghz. Last and not least consider your neighbors. If there is only one tall building in town and everyone is on it use 5 Ghz. you are probably in for some challenges. But if you do a spectrum analysis, find a clear channel, build on it and then smile and walk away only to have one of the existing operators change channels and rain on your parade. Its a game of chance but with the proper engineering you can move the odds more in your favor. Good Luck! -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)
Takes no more than a few minutes to perform a peak hold Bob, maybe you should get one and play with it a bit. It's a very powerful tool and I think your opinion will change. I agree that we have two different schools of thought. 1. Plan the play, play the plan. 2. Show up for the game. Cliff was doing the right thing by doing a spectrum analysis, esp knowing that he was going to go trough some existing equipment. Anything short of that would be irresponsible. I would say to Cliff that if they cannot produce results from the analyzer, graphs and charts than it's worthless and done improperly, just because you have an analyzer doesn't mean you know how to use it. If it's helpful I will post some shots to a website if Cliff thinks that it is helpful. Dustin Jurman Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 North Westshore Blvd Tampa, FL 33607 813--232-4887 Building Better Infrastructure! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!) Dustin Jurman wrote: If the spectrum analyzer is left in place for a period of time and setup with peak hold you will quickly find that radio that is used at the end of the day. It still speaks, handshakes and more. I don't know about you but I'm not about to leave a spectrum analyzer 180' up a tower for any period of time. Just setting up big shots and blowing people out is bad business for everyone. I am not saying to blow people out of the water with power. I am saying to make sure you have ample power and gain to supply a solid signal. Running at -78 on a link is not a solid signal in my mind. We only use equipment where we can control the power. We don't run full bore unlike alot of WISP operators. We don't plug radios like Motorola Canopy units into omni's. And my opinion is if I blow that guy off the air, so be it. It was not properly engineered to begin with. It was finacially engineered to get by cheap. If the customer wants a quality shot then there should be no problem doing a spectrum analysis, freq decision and installation shortly after. But the point is moot if Johnny O comes along on your channel tomorrow and blows you off the air (I am only using him as an example). Then the customer is all pissy because he spent money for spectrum analysis that was totally moot. I agree it's only good for a certain amount of time, but if the customer wants a reliable shot then due diligence is better than chance luck. I don't think a properly engineered link is chance luck. We don't just pick a channel out of thin air and go with it. Alot of engineering goes into it. Spectrum analysis is just not a factor 99.999 percent of the time. -B- Dustin -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference
Tom, DSSS modulation is a single-carrier modulation scheme, BPSK operates much in the same way as DSSS which usually are much more robust then other forms of modulation because they seem to run like a single carrier modulation schema's. The neat thing about BPSK is its ability to take interference and still run because it sends multiple bits of the same data and then aggregates it into a single bit so it's not an all or nothing but more of a something. As you start to walk up the modulation line you definitely need more C/I, but you also start to loose the ability to use full power out of the radio. As you turn the power up on the radio, the more distortion you get so you can't achieve full modulation at full power where as you can run BPSK at full power. So dish size and quality becomes more important than radio power when you are gunning for full modulation. Dustin Jurman President Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 N. Westshore Blvd Tampa, FL 33607 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference I have a problem where BPSK modulation has packet loss due to interference greater than QAM16 at good RSSI levels. I am using tons of DSSS all around the troubled OFDM link. (16 PtMP links totalled from two cells, 2 miles apart). And my DSSS links most likely are the culprits causing some self interference with the OFDM PtP link. So is there anything about BPSK modulation that would make it more prone to interferrence from DSSS radios apposed to QAM16? RSSI at -65 when this occured most obviously. QPSK had similar characteristic/loss as BPSK, when comparing to QAM16. At -55 QAM modulations got worse/unusable, possibly because overloaded by self noise. At -75 QAM modulations got worse/unusable, possibly because to close to noise floor (-80). Testing at -65 was the sweet spot that QAM worked well, much better than BPSK and QPSK. QOS loss was relatively consistent for BPSK/QPSK at -55,-65, rssi, with a little more degregation at -75 for QPSK as getting close to noise. Note: 10 mile link. Rssi adjustments accomplished by reducing radio TX power on both ends, Antenna type remained constant. For the purpose of this discussion, I'm looking for theory pertaining to all radios, not a specific brand. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference
Moto/Orthogon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference what brand? dustin jurman wrote: Thank you Charles, We use radio's that use 256 dots of modulation.Dustin JurmanPresidentRapid Systems Corporation1211 N. Westshore BlvdTampa, FL 33607[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Charles WuSent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:29 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference As you start to walk up the modulation line you definitely need more C/I, but you also start to loose the ability to use full power out of the radio.A small bit of trivial regarding this issueWith higher order modulation schemes, the EVM (Error Vector Magnitude) canbe so high that even on a perfect link (no noise) the receive chip isincable of decoding the signal properly into the correct 64 dots of theQAM modulation plot.This QAM constellation interference can be represented by a grid of 8x8dots that are being blurred by the transmitter not handling the signals withenough linearity (e.g., the radio power amp is turned to high). When toomuch blur occurs, the adjacent dots touch each other and the receiver willnot be able to decipher the signal (it's blurred)-Charles---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Moto300/Orthogons can do dual payload so you need both polarities to achieve 300 megs. DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna What are the advantages of using both polarities for the same signal in a good LOS environment? There isn't. But having one on standby means, that when someone deploys on that channel/pol, in seconds you can switch polarities, to get past it. Broadcasting on DualPols, does have benefits in NLOS environments. However, the antenna design is more critical for transmitting on both at the same time. Often the Dual Pol antenna is used to create Circular polarity, such as the higher end Proxim Dual Pol gear. Or Orthogon that may compare signals to self correct them. Tom DeReggi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: 17 January 2006 18:08 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna I'm not saying there isn;t a benefit now and then sharing a Dual pol antenna between two freqs, otherwise nobody would make them. BUt We have found most tower agreements also, have restrictions in the agreement that disallow using multiple radios our spectrum ranges on the antennas without paying for that as a second antenna, even though taking up only one antenna position. We found that its just as easy to sneak/put up a second antenna, without managers knowledge as it is to put up a dual freq antenna without them knowing. So normally you gotta pay regardless, if you do it honestly. It becomes an issue of wether you are honest about what you put up, versus sneaking up extra options without paying. Wether its spectrum or antennas is irrelevant. Most tower owners don't audit their sides regularly because its jsut to expensive and even if they do, the auditors often are over worked, and don't always check thouroughly what they are required to supposed to check. Most colocators also aren't short on antenna space, so they are really charging you based on the value you are receiving being there, not really the actually antenna space. Although special cases do apply such as with windload requirement of over weighted towers or towers like clock tower that have a limited number of window openings for the antennas. I also find saving money isn't that much of a savings because the antenna makers then also charge more for the dual pol antennas to counter most of your planned savings. However, saving on time, clearly is an option, with only one antenna to carry and bolt up. However you may run into issues, where the alignment of the antennas may need to be varied to get optimal signal based on wether you are aligning for 5.8 or 2.4. So because we like to engineer for OPTIMAL signal, apposed to compromised mostly best signal, we prefer to use seperate antennas. As a disclaimer: We pay for all our colocated antennas at our cell sites, and we do that because we honor our tower relationships, and have negotiated good terms, and do not want to abuse the trust they have in us, so we maintain good relations. I mention sneaking up antennas only because, every once in a while, we may have sneaked up an antenna to do the inital testing (which often requires it left there for a few days), so that we can avoid the lengthly antenna request process and timely paper work until after we are certain that the link is doable and tested. We justify sneaking the antenna up, because not only are we saving us time, we also are saving the management a lot of time, preventing the need to do paperwork unnecessarilly, if we are unsuccessful in pulling off the link we engineered. I do not advise attempting to pull one over on Management companies. If the Management company does not care what spectrum gets used, and charging just for the antenna space, the more power to you for being smarter. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:30 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Who sells dual band antennas? That could save some money on tower space and simplify some installations. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna . However, I am aware of many successfuly using 2.4 and 5.8 from the same antenna. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231
RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas
Next time someone goes up I'll have them take some pictures. Dustin Jurman President Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 N. Westshore Blvd Tampa, FL 33607 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas it has the Chester cheese doodle mount Lol...would you mind posting a pic of what such a mount looks like? -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 2.4GHz vs 5GHz
Hey Brad, what are the heights of the base stations? Are they tower mounted and what antenna's are they using? Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Larson Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 2.4GHz vs 5GHz Not all OFDM radios are created equally (especially PTMP). In many areas of NorthEast USA we have 1 mile radius's with eave mounted BreezeAccess VL Subscribers (5.8 Ghz) doing mod 6 which reflects a 10 meg true data rate. Typically these are obstructed NLOS links instead of going thru 1 mile of solid treelines. Rain/Ice does occasionally change mod levels but more than adequate data rates are achieved with this model. I have 2,400 subscribers (and growing) deployed in this fashion with one customer. Brad -Original Message- From: Blair Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4GHz vs 5GHz My practical tests show that 2.4GHz works better in a rural Near LosS environment. This is using 802.11b/g vs 802.11a. I have had no luck with 5.3/5.8GHz in a rural Near/Non LoS environment. On the other hand, 5.8Ghz seems to be fine at range in LoS conditions. Go figure. Paul Hendry wrote: Just noticed that the document also says that 5GHz is better for passing through damp tree areas than 2.4GHz as 2.4GHz is very close to the O-H frequency which water is full of and therefore water absorbs 2.4GHz signals considerably more than 5GHz. If this is true then why is 2.4GHz better for tree NLOS environments than 5GHz? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: 03 January 2006 11:48 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 2.4GHz vs 5GHz I thought that was it but needed someone to clarify ;) What about 5GHz penetrating walls much better than 2.4GHz? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Delp Sent: 03 January 2006 11:44 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 2.4GHz vs 5GHz Paul, 5 GHz works NLOS in an urban environment. Bouncing around buildings, etc. Look at the success of Redline and Orthogon. OFDM and 5 GHz works well for them. An environment with trees is different. Trees absorb the signals, instead of bouncing them. Especially wet trees! We utilize 2.4 at every pop, mainly because of the low cost for deployment, and general coverage. We utilize 5 GHz frequently and also 900 MHz for NLOS issues. I hope this helps Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] 2.4GHz vs 5GHz Ola everybody, I hope everyone had a great Christmas and New Year and are all ready for 2006, the year of the WISP :) When I have setup wireless in an area it has always depended on the Geographic's of the area as to if we deploy 2.4GHz or 5GHz and I have always decided that 2.4 should be used where NLOS could be an issue. This decision has always been based on the fact that the lower frequency will pass through trees a lot easier however I have recently read a white paper that suggests otherwise. Basically the document says that the higher the frequency, the better the scatter (the ability to bounce of and around objects). It also says that 5GHz is better at penetrating walls. So my question is, have I been basing some of our deployments on false information or am I missing something here? I know that in tests I have seen a more stable signal at 2.4GHz in a NLOS environment but is this just a fluke? Cheers, P. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This mail passed through mail.alvarion.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This mail passed through mail.alvarion.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
RE: [WISPA] Re: verizon fios - Advertising Battle
Charles, What kind of work did they do in the forbearance issues? It's good to have some guns on our side into battles, In many trips to the FCC I've heard the same thing, We -ISP's Wisp's etc,,, Don't show up enough as the LEC's roam the halls of the FCC. Squeaky wheel gets the oil. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: verizon fios - Advertising Battle snip You guys haven't been going to enough conferences and listening to very bright people like Kris Twomey try and explain such things to the (W)ISP industry. Shame on that Michael Anderson for putting Kris up in front of an audience to try to keep the WISP industry informed. /snip Thought I'd chime in and add my 2 cents One thing that this WISP / ISP / Operator community lacks is a cohesive and constant voice for wireless in DC (WISPA has done a great job, but guys like Marlon, Rich, Jon and co still have day jobs and families to feed, and we can't rely solely on their volunteer efforts) I would like to take this opportunity to intrtoduce everyone to Michael Hazzard, of Womble, Carlyle, Sandridge Rice (WCSR). WCSR has been quite active in the CLEC / UNE-P / Forebearance battles, and although the outcome of those battles may be a foregone conclusion by now, they are interested in helping on the final front for independents (e.g., broadband wireless). That said, we plan on collaborating together the next several months amongst all affected communities (in this case, WISPs/ISPs are one organization we are interested in working with, but we also plan on working with other types of network operators, including CLECs, Rural Independents, Electrical Coops, Munis, etc) to put together a unified cohesive position on wireless broadband We are currently working on some survey questions, and will probably be contacting everyone shortly to ask some of these questions (so please don't blacklist me =) -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play
Well Tom, it sounds like you should focus on business customers or lower your residential prices so there is no savings when the cable company comes after your customers. You would have to apply your reduced rates across the board to your residential customers. Coming back to a customer after the fact is a tough proposition, I don't believe single bill is so much of an issue for you as trying to save a customer in the 4th quarter when your down by a few Touchdowns. Dustin Jurman President Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 N. Westshore Blvd Tampa, FL 33607 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play One bill has a bigger impact than people think. In our residential MTUs, I've lost 30% of our MTU subscribers to triple play providers. The residenmtial client base has very little loyalty over a 5 dollars savings. I get the cancellation request AFTER they have transferred to their new service. A common response is, we loved your service and support, and the Cable companies was horrible through the hole process, but they won my business with a price I could not turn down. Learning after the fact of their intent to cancel and that they were not aware that I also offered a Double play that could offer near the same value proposition. I then try to get them to switch back, as its no more of a hassle to cancel the service they just installed than mine. I then offer them a better price than the cable company does for the bundled services. Customer then responds, but the Cable company will let me have all the services on one bill, and it just makes it easy. So my conclusion is they ahve a much higher value for their time than they do for mine. They'll give up my high quality support to save $5, but they won't take the time to write two checks and seal two envelopes, to save the $5 that I offer them. My point is consumers have a short memory, little loyalty, and modivated by saving money. In order to keep residential business, it does need consistent marketing to remind them you are there, and the services you offer. What we learned the hard way is that we can't be just a broadband provider, we also need to offer the other services, or our clients are talking to our competitors for the other services that we don't offer, attempting to steer them from using us for our core services also, without me knowing it is even happening. We can be competitive and compete on price, when we know that we need to. If we play in the residential markets, we are all going to have to offer double or triple play. I don't want to be a TV provider or a Phone company, But I don't have a choice. The market is making me change my business model. I either join the current trends, or I lose clients. The question is does an ISP only want to have the opportunity to serve the underserved? I can keep customers with no other options all day long, but thats a cowardly way to go about a business. I want to be able to compete in served markets. I don't need to win everyones business, and I don't need majority market share, I'm satisfied with my 1%. But I need to be able to offer enough value to enough people to justify that percentage of the population to chose me over the competition and choices they have. If that can be done, my company has value, and survivabilty regardless of what competition comes to town. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play If you are going to be Resi, then get a DISH or DTV distributorship and sell them Your VoIP and your Internet and the DBS service. Won't be one bill, but it can be one call. Tom DeReggi wrote: Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been over 6 month for some, since advertsied and no FIOS. FIOS is expensive to buildout, and they need a certain number of pre-signed up subscribers to do it. Its hard to convince people to get rif of their satelite and cabled TV. There is security in not being locked down to a signle provider for ALL services. I can see it now, someone gets behind on their phone bill, and all a sudden the TV gets turned off, the broadband gets turned off, and the PHONE. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
RE: [WISPA] BellSouth and Wi-Fi
Couldn't have said it better. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeffrey thomas Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth and Wi-Fi /delurk Top 5 reasons why legacy navini sucks 1.SCDMA phy/mac increases latency to low of 80msec peak 280msec and avg of 100msec with 14-25% jitter. ( in english, the latency sucks arse ) 2. only truely makes sense for sub 2 mile cell NLOS deployment with BRS/MDS/ITFS Licensed spectrum. ( 2.5 ) licensed- reason being is that the average recieve sensitivity that it will work in a nlos cell is -105 dbm. in a 2.4 enviorment, the average noise floor is at least -95dbm = wont work 50-60% of the time. 3. even if they dropped the price to 10k a sector, its still a rediculous price for a product that doesnt offer any QOS ( and cant offer qos ) to deliver a residential service 4. Their zero truck roll model usually only applies to 60% of customer deployments which = not a zero truck roll model 5. blatent marketing lies = unhappy customers my 2 cents - \lurk - Jeff On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:51:44 -, Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hey Dustin, could you elaborate on the navini sucks statement? We where looking at deploying them so would be good to know why they are not good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dustin jurman Sent: 15 December 2005 18:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth and Wi-Fi I think that is supposed to be 1.5 meg a seconds. They use navini and this is just a response to shut down the new Orleans muni project. And the reason they don't support VOIP over it is because navini sucks. This is Bellsouth's way of saying look! - SHINNY BLUE THING! Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] BellSouth and Wi-Fi http://www.telecomweb.com/news/1134594567.htm Post Katrina: Mississippi Gets Wireless Broadband BellSouth has begun deploying high-speed wireless broadband speeds as fast as 1.5 Gb/s in Gulfport and Biloxi, Miss., modifying the company's original wireless broadband rollout plans in order to get service to residents of the hurricane-ravaged area, where the infrastructure damage is so huge it hasn't been fixed yet. The incumbent local exchange carrier (ILEC), whose original rollout plans envisioned only offering wide-area wireless broadband in rural areas, is also offering residents of the Mississippi towns a bit of a discount out of sympathy for their plight - and, of course, the good publicity it might get out of the move. Small businesses and homeowners are still rebuilding, and they are looking to BellSouth to provide the critical communications they need to get their lives in order, says John McCullouch, president of BellSouth's Mississippi operations. Our wireless broadband service will provide customers with a viable and economical solution for high-speed Internet access. A BellSouth spokeswoman added that, after blanketing the hurricane-hit cities, the carrier will now return to our original strategy of (offering wireless broadband in) areas from suburbia on out, where such services as DSL can't be delivered economically. About a month ago, BellSouth began offering a high-speed wireless service in downtown New Orleans, but that was priced as a small-business service only. It was absolutely critical to getting the city up and running, the BellSouth spokeswoman explained, regarding the decision not to offer a residential plan. One thing BellSouth is not offering the Mississippi residents, however, is voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) on its shiny, new, wireless broadband. The company had no explanation of why, other than the simple fact that it's not going to offer it for now. For more on BellSouth's wireless rollout progress in the Gulf area, read the current issue of Broadband Business Forecast. For a trial subscription, go to http://www.telecomweb.com/cgi/catalog/info?BNN. Thank you. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 or 985.240.4156 fax 305.675.6494 http://4isps.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13
RE: [WISPA] Things you might be interested in
I would be interested in #1. Dustin Jurman President Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 N. Westshore Blvd Tampa, FL 33607 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark KoskenmakiSent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:58 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Things you might be interested in I have found myself in need of some devices from time to time that I can't seem to buy at a reasonable price. Since I was laid up for a month and more, I began doing some research on developing things I needed. Before I go into a bunch of work to try to finalize these... I'd like to know if anyone else is interested... 1. IP addressable, 10/100 ethernet based voltage / charge / temperature / monitoring and/or switching device.You couldmonitorbatteries, solar panels, generator, start/stop things, etc. Cost: ~$200 2. IP addressable, 10/100 ethernet based thermo-electric generator, fueled by propane, either remotely controlled, or operating on a programmable basis -to operate as a backup power supply in conjunction with 12 or 24V battery based DC systems. Would provide battery monitoring, as well. Approximate cost: $2500 for a 75 watt 24V system. Could be made in 20, 50, 100, or larger wattage sizes - cost rises considerable with power output. This would serve as backup for a solar/wind or even for AC in conjunction with lead-acid batteries. 3. "crash detect and reboot" system. This would connect via 10/100M ethernet to a network, ping a programmable IP (in fact, several of them) and be able to power cycle dc or ac powered equipment. Programmable as to how many pings to miss, how long to power down, etc. Cost: ~$200. Each of these devices would be designed to operate on very minimal power and tolerate temperature extremes. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast Internet, NO WIRES!- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Arp requests
Means that the arp timeout for that device is set low. DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:18 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Arp requests Hi All, I just got my copy of Network Spy registered so I'm looking around at what there is to be seen. I see my router broadcasting arp requests (coming from both subnets gateway addys, .1 and .129). I also see customers send out broadcast arp requests once in a while. But I have one customer that's doing it 20x more than anyone else. That does that likely mean? thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Florida job is killing me
That was not right! DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Florida job is killing me You wouldnt believe how hard we are really working down here in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. I hired Mike Delp to come out and help with the climbing - - - and as you can see he is earning his pay :-P Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Secondary DNS
You kill me man! DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Secondary DNS Heck, I'd do backup mx stuff with someone now. I have the capacity. I just need someone who's able to set it all up as I don't know squat about the servers :-). Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: A. Huppenthal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Secondary DNS True, if there's no web or email services, then having DNS doesn't do much for you. nice to spool up email someplace else, if your network is toasted - like a hurricane. once all our network are interconnected with 100 mbit pipes, we can worry about backing each other up. :-) in the mean time, there are commercial solutions... Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Two things. I figure if both dns servers are at the same place and both go down then probably I've got other problems that will take it all down anyhow. Secondly, I've just split my network in two. So I do have geographic and provider redundancy. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: A. Huppenthal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Secondary DNS In the old days... :-) 1988-93 my nameserver handed some secondary requests on a volunteer basis for other domain owners. How is everyone dealing with the general good practice of dual DNS geographically seperated? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Installer looking for work in Florida
I'm in Tampa and always looking for good guys. DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Metcalf Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Installer looking for work in Florida My Installation Manager had to move to Florida for personal reasons and is looking for work, has experience installing canopy, trango, karlnet (physical install and aiming), can make cat5 cables, and can tower climb, has years of experience running cat5/cable, also managed a crew with 2 junior guys. If you need somebody, email me and Ill give you his contact # Thanks Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 09/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC meeting
Always interested DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:18 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: [WISPA] FCC meeting Hi All, I'm setting up some FCC meetings for late Oct. or early Nov. I need 5 people to go. I'm looking mainly for folks that haven't been there before. We'll get together after the team is picked and talk about what we'd like to talk about. A few things I think should be on that list: Who the customers are. Why they use wisps vs. other services. Examples of wisps servicing areas that have no other services. Examples of emergency response (I'd like to get Mac there for this one). What we need in order to be able to do a better job (clean spectrum, more power in some bands, outdoor only bands etc.). You'll need to dress up (I know at least a few of you have still got your Sunday best :-) and pay your own way. If anyone is interested in this please let me know so I can get a group together and finalize the plans. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC Open Commission Meeting Moved
Too bad WISPA can't offer a larger venue so more people could attend vs. having at Bells facility :-) DSJ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick HarnishSent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:39 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Bullit'Subject: [WISPA] FCC Open Commission Meeting Moved SCHEDULE AND VENUE CHANGE: FCC TO HOLD OPEN COMMISSION MEETING IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA at 11:00 am Please note that the time and venue for the Federal Communications Commissions September Open Meeting has changed. As described in the Commissions Thursday, September 8th Notice, on Thursday, September 15th, the Commission will hold an open meeting. At this meeting, it will hear presentations from Commission staff and various industry representatives concerning their role in Hurricane Katrina recovery efforts. For the convenience of those testifying, the Federal Communications Commission will hold its meeting in Atlanta, Georgia at BellSouth Telecommunications Inc.s Emergency Control Center located at the following address: BellSouth Midtown I Building 4th Floor 754 PeachtreeStreet Atlanta, Georgia 30309 The meeting is scheduled to commence at 11:00 am. Seating is limited and will be on a first come, first serve basis. The prompt and orderly conduct of Commission business permits less than 7-days notice be given. -FCC- Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC Open Commission Meeting Moved
Maybe, Marlon's friends can get us some assistance moving the venue. DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 5:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Open Commission Meeting Moved Actually, we could. My building has a press briefing room specifically for this sort of thing. -Matt dustin jurman wrote: Too bad WISPA can't offer a larger venue so more people could attend vs. having at Bells facility :-) DSJ -- -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:39 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Bullit' *Subject:* [WISPA] FCC Open Commission Meeting Moved *_SCHEDULE AND VENUE CHANGE: _* *_FCC TO HOLD OPEN COMMISSION MEETING_* *_IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA at 11:00 am_* *Please note that the time and venue for the Federal Communications Commission's September Open Meeting has changed. * As described in the Commission's Thursday, September 8^th Notice, on Thursday, September 15^th , the Commission will hold an open meeting. At this meeting, it will hear presentations from Commission staff and various industry representatives concerning their role in Hurricane Katrina recovery efforts. For the convenience of those testifying, the Federal Communications Commission will hold its meeting in Atlanta, Georgia at BellSouth Telecommunications Inc.'s Emergency Control Center located at the following address: BellSouth Midtown I Building 4^th Floor 754 Peachtree Street Atlanta, Georgia 30309 The meeting is scheduled to commence at 11:00 am. Seating is limited and will be on a first come, first serve basis. The prompt and orderly conduct of Commission business permits less than 7-days notice be given. *-FCC-* **/Rick Harnish/** /President/ /OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc./// /260-827-2482 Office/ /260-307-4000 Cell/ /260-918-4340 VoIP/// /www.oibw.net http://www.oibw.net// **/[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/** **/ /***/ http://www.oibw.net//* **//** http://www.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Comment Period Extended....
I agree, we run into this problem quite a bit. DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comment Period Extended I tossed this out as an issue that we may want to take on about a month ago. Anyone got that email? No one seemed interested at the time though. To me, it looks like something we should support. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Comment Period Extended FYI: OET SEEKS COMMENT ON PETITION FROM CONTINENTAL AIRLINES FOR DECLARATORY RULING REGARDING WHETHER CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS ON ANTENNA INSTALLATION ARE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE COMMISSION'S OVER-THE-AIR RECEPTION DEVICES (OTARD) RULES. Extended the time to file comments and reply comments. by Order Extending Comment Period. (Dkt No. 05-247). Action by: Acting Chief, Office of Engineering and Technology. Comments Due: 09/28/2005. Reply Comments Due: 10/13/2005. Adopted: 08/22/2005 by ORDER. (DA No. 05-2335). OET http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-2335A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-2335A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-2335A1.txt -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Don't know about that but look at the sala's. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Am I correct in thinking that this one http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10200 will kill you faster than this one? http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192 I would think the seat strap takes pressure off the leg straps. I'm thinking the leg straps is what cuts off the circulation. Is this thinking correct? Also, I printed the article and will deliver it to the fire chief here so he knows how to save my ass without killing it. =-O George wrote: Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Sa fety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie I had my guy read this link. One thing to note, is that the harness with the seat, is not really a seat that you sit in and dangle your feet. It just adds added comfort. I think that was an important article for everyone to read. I mean who knew that this was something that happens. Surprised. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RE: Question about Orthogon Systems
Todd, I know exactly how you feel. I can tell you that my Orthogon Radio's do those impossible things. But give us an idea of what you are up against. If anyone can do it Orthogon can but if your just being silly then that is another story. Dustin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd LancasterSent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:26 AMTo: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] RE: Question about Orthogon Systems Hello, I am very much considering considering purchasing a Orthogon Gemeni lite system. I just wanted to ask if anyone else out there is using these systems currently in nlos applications and if so how well does it really work? 9 grand to find out is a rather expensive experiment. They claim you can make links where you would think it is impossible. However what they claim and what is true could very well be different as it is in so many other things in life. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks,Todd Lancaster -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
