Re: [WISPA] Do you recognize this tower?

[Eric Rogers]

I bet it is a Motorola brand tower (made by Rohn).  We had a 100' tower, and it 
is nearly identical to the SSV, except the pads are 45* out from standard SSV.  
You can get a section of that is made with the 45 plate at the top and the 
standard at the bottom to continue building a taller tower if needed.  We chose 
to buy a newer tower than to re-engineer one.

 

Eric Rogers



  

www.pdsconnect.me

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 4:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you recognize this tower?

 

 
​

 

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Marco Coelho  wrote:

tower leg part numbers are marked:  8807379-1 880380-1 880382-1 881569-1  NO 
pics yet

 

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

No pictures




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Marco Coelho  wrote:

 

I'm looking at a tower (self supporter) which mechanically looks like 
one of my Rohn SSV towers.  There is not a tower part number plate on the 
tower, but the legs are marked:

880379-1
880380-1
880381-1
880382-1
881569-1

Ideas?




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Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036

 

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Re: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

[Eric Rogers]

+1

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:30 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

 

I’ve known Justin for over 10 years, and he’s done work for me and my companies 
a number of times.  I’ve never been disappointed.  

 

I know that he’s just completed a significant life and professional event in 
his life.  I expect that he’ll be far more available going forward.

 

 

Regards,

 

Jeff Broadwick

Bitlomat Sales Director

847-238-2481 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

www.bitlomat.com

https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat

http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 9:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

 

 

Apparently the more you know, the more "in demand" you are in this industry...

seems to work that way locally here, too :)

 

- Original Message - 

From: Darin Steffl   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:30 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

 

I have been contacted and things are moving along now. He sent new 
contact information that I was never made aware of when we first started. 

 

http://www.mtin.net/contact.html 

 

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 5:57 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

I also engaged Justin for a project and it never went anywhere. I have 
also had the same results with other consultants. I actually engaged Justin 
because my other consultant fell through. Go figure.

 

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

Darin,

I will have Andrew send you an e-mail from supp...@mtin.net.

 

Just for everyone’s reference if you need to get ahold of “me” you can 
do so at the following:

Phone: 317.644.2224

Email: supp...@mtin.net

 

I wrote a little blog post this morning as kind of “therapy” for me.  
As many of you know I have been a principal in a WISP we started after the 
failed sale of NDWave to another company.

http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=50

 

The sale of ZigWireless has been my latest “project”.  I am personally 
invested in this so my future of getting this done has been a top priority.  So 
much so that everything else has suffered as a result.  The life of a WISP. 
LOL.  I feel like a “Veteran” after being in the ISP business since 1993.

 

Just so this isn’t just about me, if anyone wants to know my thoughts 
on a sale from a tech perspective hit me up off list and I will be glad to 
share.

 

Justin

 

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MTCNA – CCNA – MTCRE – MTCWE - COMTRAIN
Aol & Yahoo IM: j2sw
http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
http://www.zigwireless.com – High Speed Internet Options

http://www.thebrotherswisp.com – The Brothers Wisp

 

From: Darin Steffl 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

 

I have been trying to get ahold of Justin Wilson who started a 
project for me in April and he was out of commission for a little bit but now I 
haven't heard from him since. I have called his cell #, sent him 5 emails to 
j...@mtin.net with no response and I don't know how to get ahold of him. I see 
he has sent emails out to the list multiple times in the last few weeks but 
he's never responded to me.  

 

Anyone have any special tricks to get him to talk? My project 
is quite simple and he said it would take no more than 2 hours tops but he 
hasn't done anything further for me. Thanks


 

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Minnesota WiFi

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Re: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM

[Eric Rogers]

Our consulting firm put one in at a lawyer’s office, to replace an OLD Nortel 
system.  They wanted the simple ability to have an inbound call ring all 
phones, but if it times out after 3 rings, goto an IVR.  We have been doing 
this for a long time with FreePBX, but it is limited with GS.

 

The other bad thing about GS is there are SEVERAL bad bugs that done in a 
certain order, will deem the phone system unsuable… and you cannot restore from 
backup, you have to build it back from scratch.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 12:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM

 

I put it in for a 12 extension small business and it's working great. Lots of 
firmware updates and new features being added every month or so. They're 
actively developing the platform which is nice. It's cost effective and free 
updates. 

Pair this with flowroute for your sip trunks and you have a solid solution. We 
used yealink for the phones but the grandstream phones should work great too 
and have auto provisioning then. 

On May 13, 2014 10:40 PM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:

Anyone tried out this Grandstream IP PBX? Looking for a low cost option we can 
use for small businesses with 4-8 phones. Also need to redo our office phones 
so I have a nice chance to try out a new product before selling one to a 
customer. Any suggestions other than the grandstream are welcome too. 


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[WISPA] Skybeam Mentioned in DIGG article link

[Eric Rogers]

http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2014/05/dear-internet-lets-demo-slow-lan
e.html

 

They were trying to explain what the "slow lane" could look like in the
future for the web... but LIKE that a WISP was faster than all his home
options, except Comcast 75M and Google Fiber at 800M...

 

Good job, and hopefully you guys get good recognition out of this.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

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Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

[Eric Rogers]

We use Mikrotik to create a VPN tunnel for our management of our equipment, and 
we keep our UNIFI server on a hosted instance in our DC.  It allows us to 
update APs and we get the alerts when something drops off and prevents us from 
having to use NAT or provide a public IP for each AP for management.  Using VPN 
also allows us to put in other devices (mFI, Cameras, Etc.) onsite without any 
infrastructure changes.

 

If you have multiple sites, you can carve out an instance within Unifi, and 
give access to the local location, but your account has access to all sites.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

 

We run the unifi server in the office.  The only requirement is the unifi units 
need to be able to connect to the unifi controller on port 8080, you will also 
need 8880 and 8843 if using the portal redirect.  So even if the controller is 
behind a NAT you can set up a port forwards.

While I haven't set up the AWS controller, those that I have talked to said it 
was dead simple using the steps on the wiki, even from people who aren't system 
administrators.

If the staff is willing to do the vouchers they are pretty simple.  You just 
create a bunch ahead of time, print out the codes and they can hand them out as 
needed.  Every place I have wanted to use it the staff didn't want to mess 
around with it so they just change the WPA2 key every month.

On 03/26/2014 08:50 AM, Mark Spring wrote:

Heith,

Do you run those back to your server over a vpn on the tik or is it all 
just local? I am planning on doing some unifi work in the near future and I'm 
just curious what others have run into when the unifi is not on your network. 
My knowledge of unifi is almost none, just trying to come up with some 
scenarios that would work best. It seems like others are confirming what I 
think you would run into, the unifi server just won't play that well on site 
for most installs.

Thanks for your feedback!




Mark Spring
Systems Analyst

New Knoxville Telephone Company
301 W. South St.
New Knoxville, OH 45871
419.753.5000

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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:47 AM,  wrote:

Yeah, I run a UniFi server at my office to drive the 3 HotSpot pay per 
use
camp grounds we have and operate, but they are all driven from Mikrotik
routers on site. I suppose we could run something here, but allocating 
its
own server or virtual server locally could be beyond me. I bought a few
slots on amazon aws before, just never dug into it too deeply yet

heith


-Original Message-
From: Stuart Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication


I've got Tik hotspots set up at a few towers and have setup usermanager 
for
a retirement community. You definitely have more control with a Tik box 
but
using Unifi with vouchers would be far easier.

You can still host the Unifi server at your place if they do not keep a
computer running and they can print out vouchers ahead of time or at the
time.

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Date:  Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:11:44 -0500

>Thanks!
>
>From: Bryce Duchcherer
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:34 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
>
>I did a hotel a few months ago using UniFi and MikroTik.
>
>We are running Hotspot service on the MikroTik (RB1100AHx2) and
>UserManager.
>
>For user account creation I put in a HotSpot printer from Technologic. 
It
>uses API to create user accounts in UserManager so it is very easy for
>clerks to be able to create users for guests. You can set limits for 
days,
>speed, data transfer, etc.
>
>It’s not cheap, and not the easiest to set up but

Re: [WISPA] Rugged Fiber Jumpers for Tower Install

[Eric Rogers]

http://www.fiberstore.com/news/fiberstore-releases-tactical-fiber-optic-
cable-for-military-harsh-environment-applications-a-542.html

 

http://www.molexpn.com/Products/Products-list/91-BPxxxOM3-HH-Industrial-
LC-Fibre-Patch-Cord-OFNP-TB-12-144-OM3-Custom-Build.html

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 11:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rugged Fiber Jumpers for Tower Install

 

We are doing a tower install where we will run a 12ct fiber from base
cabinet to a cabinet at top. I need a rugged patch cable to connect from
the SFP in the radio to the cabinet, armored and a UV stable jacket seem
necessary. Not finding much by google searching. Any suggestions? 

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[WISPA] Unusually High Scans/Invalid Login

[Eric Rogers]

Does anyone see any unusually high amount of scans or login attempts
going on your network?  We are being alerted from Fail2Ban that MANY IPs
are trying to brute force our systems.  They are mainly RIPE or LACNIC.
We ban them for 20 minutes, and we have hundreds of attempts since 11:00
PM EST.  Normally we see one or two per night... but this is 1000%+
more.

 

It could be we are being targeted, but it just seems unusually high.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

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Re: [WISPA] Cable Testers

[Eric Rogers]

We use the Fluke Microscanner2 as it will allow PoE and will test
without the other end being on.  You can see cable length, PoE, and if
there is a switch/Ethernet at the other end.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Spring
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Cable Testers

 

can anybody make any recommendations for cat5/cable testers they have
had good luck with? We had good luck with the testum(jdsu) testers but
apparently they were discontinued. We are looking at the micromapper
from fluke but something with a little more detail might help. Fluke
makes bigger brothers to the micromapper but they are a little more than
economical. 

Thanks,



Mark Spring
Systems Analyst

New Knoxville Telephone Company
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Re: [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging / Radiology ?

[Eric Rogers]

Gino,

 

Can you be more specific?  I came from a regional hospital chain, and
they did everything from their downtown Data Center, and all hospitals
had gig connectivity.  Even the bar-code readers had serial to Ethernet
extenders, so even the serial scanners were IP to the servers.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging /
Radiology ?

 

Anyone has any experiece with products for this application?

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Re: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

[Eric Rogers]

I have heard that you are welcome to fly it as a private citizen, but if it is 
for commercial, you MUST have a pilot's license.  I think it is a great idea to 
do tower inspections/surveys but I think the laws need to catch up with the 
technology.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Clay Stewart
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

 

Same here. Is it worth spending 1k-1.5k, or will a 500-600 model work for site 
survey jobs? What models

On Jan 18, 2014 2:11 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

I've been thinking about getting a <$1k quadcopter. Are you happy with the PV2? 
I'm looking at once to survey rooftops, both the roof itself and from the roof. 
Tis a lot easier to just fly one of those up than wait for management to figure 
out a schedule.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 



From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 6:52:04 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

Snip Shot from Phantom Vision 2

 

http://youtu.be/FwavCd5ffHI

 

More to come

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143


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Re: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?

[Eric Rogers]

We had "emergency" maint from Level3 at 05:00 GMT to 10:00 GMT, but
expected outage was 30 min.

 

I didn't get up to see if we were flapping, but we expected it.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 11:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?

 

I was told yesterday at about 3:30pm EST that they were going to have
scheduled "emergency" maintenance.
We saw the BGP session flap. NANOG had a few words about it too.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  

 



From: "Matt Hoppes" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:05 AM
To: "WISPA General List" , "memb...@wispa.org"

Subject: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?

Did anyone else see an explosion on the Level3 network this morning? 
They've been up and down all morning since around 2:30 eastern time... 
just recovered recently.
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Re: [WISPA] Referencing the earlier L & I TelecommununicationsLicensing Discussions

[Eric Rogers]

First off... why are you reading the law?  Has someone pointed you to
it, saying you are breaking the law?

 

Based on my observation, and my legal disclaimer... "I am not a lawyer,
and I don't even play one on TV."

 

This is low voltage line, there is no line voltage at 110AC or above.
This is 24V DC with 300mA output.  Also, you are not
"Telecommunications" by the FCC definition.

 

Do you have a lawyer you can consult?  I would start there...

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Clint Bridges at GCPowerNet
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:49 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Cc: 1 - Clint Bridges
Subject: [WISPA] Referencing the earlier L & I
TelecommununicationsLicensing Discussions

 

Reading the Washington State WACS

Page 80 of 118

WAC 296-46B-925 Electrical/telecommunications contractor's license

 

Things that puzzle me are items (10) and (12) below. 

 

If a WISP firm installs and maintains ownership and responsibility for
the radio, cabling and POE adapter and power supply all the way  to the
customer's Internet router or personal computer, where would the demark
point be? Would it not be at the point where the CAT 5 cabling from the
POE LAN side connects into the customer-owned equipment and thereby
qualify under item (12) and eliminate the need for an 09 license? 

 

If the WISP uses an all-in-one, UL approved and licensed POE unit where
the power supply and the POE are built together as one unit, example:
Ubiquity, then wouldn't that qualify under item (10) and eliminate the
need for an 06 low-voltage administrator's license and an 06 low-voltage
journeyman electrical license, required to install and connect a POE
device to a Cat 5 cable? 

 

I wrote to the L&I people in September for a clarification on this but
they simply came back citing Chapter 19.28 of the RCWs saying that to
install Cat5 one had to have an 09 Administrator for the company and to
install a POE adapter one had to have an 06 Administrator for the
company and all POE installations had to be done by a licensed
journeyman. This entire thing is frustrating to me and confusing,
because it appears that the laws are at odds with each other and are
very unclear on this subject, and that the people in Olympia can simply
rule it however they wish to their own advantage.

 

Can anyone here clarify the differences between the WACS and the RCWs
and how they relate or interact? Does one trump the other?

To be the WACS look like the standards on how to install, administer the
laws contained within the RCWs. But if the WACS state that something
does not fall under the requirements or are not legislated by the RCWs
then does that mean we can go by what the WACs say to the exclusion of
the RCWs, in this case the items (10) and (12)?

 

 

 

 

Clint Bridges

Moses Lake, WA

 

 

Electrical/telecommunications contractor exemptions.


 (8) The following types of systems and circuits are considered
exempt from the requirements for licensing and permitting described in
chapter 19.28   RCW.
The electrical failure of these systems does not inherently or
functionally compromise safety to life or property.

 Low-voltage thermocouple derived circuits and low-voltage circuits
for:

 (a) Built-in residential vacuum systems;

 (b) Underground landscape sprinkler systems;

 (c) Underground landscape lighting; and

 (d) Residential garage doors.

 For these types of systems and circuits to be considered exempt,
the following conditions must be met:

 (e) The power supplying the installation must be derived from a
listed Class 2 power supply;

 (f) The installation and termination of line voltage equipment and
conductors supplying these systems is performed by appropriately
licensed and certified electrical contractors and electricians;

 (g) The conductors of these systems do not pass through fire-rated
walls, fire-rated ceilings or fire-rated floors in other than
residential units; and

 (h) Conductors or luminaires are not installed in installations
covered by the scope of Article 680 NEC (swimming pools, fountains, and
similar installations).

 (9) Firms who clean and/or replace lamps in luminaires are not
included in the requirements for licensing in chapter 19.28
  RCW. This
exemption does not apply to electric signs as defined in the NEC.

 (10) Firms who install listed plug and cord connected utilization
equipment are not included in the requirements for licensing in chapter
19.28   RCW. The
plug and cord must be a single listed unit consisting of a molded plug
and cord and not exceeding 250 volt 60 ampere single phase. The plug and
cord can be field installed per the manufacturer's instructions and the
product listing requirements. The utilization equipment must be a single
m

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Phones

[Eric Rogers]

If you call the 604 460 6002 number, it should work.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Phones

 

Any idea why Tranzeo phones are not working?

I am trying to use the 800 Support Number,

NGL

 

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Phones

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Maybe they didn't pay their phone bill... if you need support, try
emailing them at supp...@tranzeo.com

 

Eric

 

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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Phones

 

Any idea why Tranzeo phones are not working?

I am trying to use the 800 Support Number,

NGL

 

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[WISPA] List Traffic

[Eric Rogers]

Is this list dead?  I haven't received an email since 6/18. 

 

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Re: [WISPA] No mail

[Eric Rogers]

I only see about 3-4 per day.  I did get the ones about “No Mail” over the 
weekend.  Am I on “B” also?

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:12 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] No mail

 

Somehow your subscription was set to send no mail.  I assume it was because of 
Bounced emails as the reason was (B).  I think B = Bounced.

 

It should be ok now.

 

Rick

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tim Kerns
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] No mail

 

Rick,

 

I have not received mail for any wispa accounts in two or more days.

 

 

Come to think of it I didn’t receive the usual “you are subscribed to” 
messages either.

 

Tim Kerns

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Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers

[Eric Rogers]

To me, that really sounds like interference.  Don't look at the noise
floor.  Get a UBNT in spectrum analyzer mode, and let it run for a
little bit.  I bet you find something bleeding over the frequency.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers

Update after more work today.
Replaced all the electronics at one end early this morning.  No real
change.
Replace the cable and antenna at that end this afternoon.  When we got 
there the link was running with RSSI of around 67/70 and CCQ in the 50's

both ways.  Aligned the antenna and I watch the stats for a while while 
the climber we getting the old antenna off of the tower.  Signal 
strength went to around 57/65 and quality was running in the high 80s to

mid 90s.  Thought it was fixed.  Climber finished attaching new cable to

tower as he came down.  When He got to the bottom I checked things 
again.  Signals are 67/70 and CCQ is all over the place.  I have seen 
the CCQ jump from 90 to 14 at least once this evening.  It didn't drop 
the link at 14, rather it climbed back up to nearly 80 and then dropped.
I am at a complete loss as to what is going on.
Oh, the last time I looked, noise floor was around -100 so SNR is 
running 30 to 40.

On 1/29/2012 10:16 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
> Planned for tomorrow.
>
> On 1/29/2012 10:04 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>> Maybe your replacement hardware is bad too.  Have you tried another
set?
>>
>> Daniel White
>> (303) 746-3590
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Scott Reed
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:19 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers
>>
>> One end is just us and the 4 other links there are fine.
>> The other is is us and at least 2 other WISPS, an FM repeater
station, some
>> public service repeaters, some commercial 2-way repeaters and ...
>> Just looking at the tower, I don't think there is anything new, but I
will
>> ask the tower owner tomorrow.
>> We changed everything at one end and all but the cable at the other.
>> Other 5GHz links we have for either tower do not show symptoms of
>> interference, but that does not mean that isn't our problem.
>>
>> On 1/28/2012 8:31 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
>>> If you replaced all gear and even tried a different coax in place of
the
>> 60' of LMR then it would have to be some kind of noise, coming in via
the
>> power lines or radiated. Who else is on the tower?
>>> Did you only replace/try different gear on one tower or did you try
both
>> ends?
>>> Have you done any spectral analysis?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>> On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>>>
 I have a link that went bonkers last Saturday or Sunday and it has
me
 stumped.
 RB433AH with XR5 at each end.
 Signals running around -69/-71.  CCQ is the goofy one.  Most of the
 time one direction is in the 50% range, but varies quite a bit.
The
 other direction ranges from 16% to 100%.  Generally if I see it
 getting close to 100% I know the link is going to drop.  It comes
 right back up, usually at about 50%.
 I have tried 20MHz channels, 10MHz channels, 5MHz channels with
about
 the same results from all.
 I have tried 5.2-5.3 frequencies and 5.7-5.8 frequencies.  The
higher
 frequencies work better, but still not well.
 All of the hardware except one 60' piece of LMR as been replaced.
 Ask me some questions and offer some suggestions as this one has me
 totally stumped.

 --
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Re: [WISPA] Doppler

[Eric Rogers]

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?product=NCR&rid=LSX&loop=yes

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Doppler

 

Looking at northern Missouri on wunderground.com I can see a streak
going northwest of St Louis skimming north of Macon and south of
Kirksville. Anyone out there blasting equipment?

 

Andy Trimmell

Network Administrator

atrimm...@precisionds.com

317.831.3000 ext 211

 




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Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...

[Eric Rogers]

Rich,

 

As I see it, you have two options.  One is to get into the fixed
wireless business and find a tech person that KNOWS what they are doing.
If you are going to outsource everything, you MUST know what is going on
with the network and not just "run it", or you cannot control the
functions of the business.  This doesn't mean you need to be an expert,
but must know how to set metrics for the outsourced companies and have
standards they must meet.  DO NOT get into the mobile business with the
unlicensed spectrum that is available... too many variables to provide a
good service.

 

Second option is to partner with a Verizon build-out like Charles Wu.
He is licensing some of the 700MHz spectrum from VZW and building it out
for them in hopes he will make money along the way and possibly sell it
back to them when it is done.  This model allows VZW to not lose their
frequencies because they have to use it or lose it.  This is also LTE,
and able to do mobile broadband.

 

IMO, I have always been told that a smart investor should only get into
something they know about.  If you don't know how ISPs work, should
probably stay away from it until you do know it.  I am not saying you
shouldn't do it, just maybe not now.  Stay on here, ask a lot of
questions and maybe you will find that tech partner you need.

 

Thanks,

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rich _
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:33 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...

 

Hello,

 

I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering
setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about
the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some
feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development
questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer
for.

 

I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level
details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I
need to run the business. I have no desire to ever
install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself.

 

What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first
thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to
start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that
lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to
the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am
wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some
protection from frequency overload.

 

I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a
territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it
doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your
contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would
cost for your services.

 

I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level
information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good
opportunity for me.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Rich




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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

[Eric Rogers]

+1

We use these in all our tower sites.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:22 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

I'd install a small cabinet and use these

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=38

I would probably use the DIN rail mounts personally

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=39

Transtector makes one for Canopy only (at least that is what I
remember),
but is a major PITA to install.   

Daniel White


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

We are adding a fairly large new tower to our network and it will be a
central hub.  I want to bring a number of STP cat-5 lines up the tower
in
advance.  Will likely be mix of Canopy and Ubiquiti gear on top.
At the base I would like terminate them all at a large surge arrestor
bank
before entering the cabinet or building.  We will initially have a
cabinet
and perhaps later a building.  Does anyone know of an outdoor surge
arrestor
I can put at the base of the tower that accommodates a number of cat-5
runs
neatly?  Something like the standard outdoor canopy surge arrestor
except
would protect 8+ cat-5 lines in a larger outdoor enclosure.  This would
also
serve as a termination point if we move from the cabinet to a building
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Re: [WISPA] Who Knows eRate

[Eric Rogers]

That makes sense, and that is kind of why I am asking if anyone is doing
this.  I am trying to consult with an e-rate specialist, but the one
that works with the schools is extremely hard to get ahold of.  We want
to rent fiber from a school that they paid to run to their tower for a
small TV station they operate.  If we rent the fiber, and the tower, as
long as it wasn't paid by some sort of erate funding, should be ok from
what I am reading.  We would be providing the wireless equipment, we
just want the fiber transport and facilities to put our gear up on.  I
also would like to use the rooftop of the school to put up broadcast
points or breakout points in this community.

If they were purchased with erate, then we can qualify for the community
portion of the access, but the school CANNOT charge anything for it.  It
is also optional and are not required to open their network.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who Knows eRate

At 10/29/2011 12:02 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:

>Who knows eRate on this list?  We have an opportunity to rent fiber to 
>provide a connection to our tower site using an asset the school owns, 
>but because this is a technology asset, doesn't it qualify under
e-rate?

I don't know the system very well -- I advise checking with a
specialist, since it has some pretty strange policies -- but it probably
matters who owns the fiber.  It used to be that only carrier-provided
"services" were eligible, other than on-premise stuff (a different pool
of money available some but not all years).  Now, government-owned dark
fiber is eligible, though there are bidding rules.  Wireless links are
still not eligible for purchase subsidies (not that unlicensed radios
are expensive enough to need them any more), but eligible service
providers can probably sell services they deliver over their own
wireless links.

>
>Also, what I have read, if the school incurs income because of it, 
>don't they have to reduce their e-rate funding by the same amount?
>
>Eric Rogers
>Precision Data Solutions, LLC
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[WISPA] Who Knows eRate

[Eric Rogers]

Who knows eRate on this list?  We have an opportunity to rent fiber to
provide a connection to our tower site using an asset the school owns,
but because this is a technology asset, doesn't it qualify under e-rate?

 

Also, what I have read, if the school incurs income because of it, don't
they have to reduce their e-rate funding by the same amount?

 

Eric Rogers

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Re: [WISPA] Splitters with Motorola Canopy 320 - Results Update

[Eric Rogers]

I have often wondered if it would be better to have two antennas in one given 
direction, with one being \ pol and the other antenna being used for / pol.  I 
wondered if special diversity would allow us to achieve better penetration 
results to clients without using splitters.

 

Basically order the two of the standard moto antennas, but use one polarity on 
each.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Splitters with Motorola Canopy 320 - Results Update

 

You are not really talking a phased array here.  Lengths should not be 
critical.  

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Splitters with Motorola Canopy 320 - Results Update
Date: Tue, Oct 25, 2011 2:39 pm


Premades?  Or did you make your own and get as close as humanly possible?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> It is my understanding that they need to be of the same length.  That
> was our design, all the same length...we used 18" LMR 240 for this
> situation.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  
> wrote:
>> Do you have a reference for calculating the proper cable lengths and
>> antenna spacing based on frequency when using splitters in a
>> configuration like this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>> On 10/25/2011 06:39 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>> I thought I would post back on here what we did and our results.
>>> These are preliminary.
>>>
>>> Equipment:
>>> 1 x 320AP
>>>
>>> Configuration with only one sector:
>>> Power set to 19.9dB (per the manual for legal power settings)
>>> AP set to -65 power leveling
>>> Client signals at the AP were -65 (or thereabouts, this fluctuates
>>> from -65 to -70) for all clients.
>>> Client receive levels ranged from -61 to -75.
>>>
>>> Equipment:
>>> 1 x 320AP
>>> 4 x 16.5dB 90 degree sectors
>>> 2 x 4 way splitters from L-Com
>>>
>>> Configuration with only one sector:
>>> Power set to full 25dB (per the manual for legal power settings,
>>> assuming a -6.5dB of loss)
>>> AP set to -65 power leveling
>>> Client signals at the AP were -65 (or thereabouts, this fluctuates
>>> from -65 to -70) for all clients.
>>> Client receive levels ranged from -64 to -78.
>>>
>>> So essentially by adding a 4 way splitter the clients receive levels
>>> increased by about 3.5-4dB.  Tower receive levels were unchanged, as
>>> most of the clients were power leveled down.  Only one client is
>>> transmitting at full power now.  That client is also the highest
>>> signal on both sides.  Most client transmit levels are also running at
>>> a higher power now as well.
>>>
>>> Conclusion:
>>> I think that running 1 x 320AP x 4 sectors through splitters is a
>>> little aggressive.  If the majority of your clients are going to have
>>> decent signal levels, then I see no problems with it.  However, I
>>> think that our current situation is a little on the edge.  I think
>>> that if you are looking for an inexpensive way to use 320AP's, I would
>>> recommend this solution.  I think that this solution has a higher net
>>> gain over using an 8dB omni.  My results show that it is pretty
>>> consistent on being about a total loss of about 8dB using a 4 way
>>> splitter.  You can overcome 6.1dB of that loss in turning up the
>>> transmit power of the radios.   Your net loss is about 2.5-3dB,
>>> however you are able to focus the sectors a little better.
>>>
>>> In the long run on future deployments, we will likely use 2 AP's and 4
>>> sectors with 4x2way splitters (MIMO).  Once they reach capacity, we'll
>>> add additional AP's.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

[Eric Rogers]

I was too.  I think we are going to be neighbors after the VZ
build-out... If you come, let me know so I can look you up.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 1:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

 

WHAT? I was really looking forward to chatting with you... better hire
someone to take your place for a while so you can come... :)

Travis
Microserv


On 10/1/2011 9:41 PM, Charles Wu wrote: 

Unfortunately, I just found out that I'm not going to be able to go =(

 

-Charles

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:07 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

 

I don't care for Vegas, but I can't wait to see everyone!

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

 

Who is excited?!

If you haven't gotten your preparations ready, do them NOW!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

[Eric Rogers]

I wanted to thank everyone for their input.  I am trying to summarize
what I have found.

I found a great informational site maintained by Stanford University.
http://www.chillingeffects.org/piracy/notice.cgi?NoticeID=973.  It has
many links and FAQ for a basis to make decisions.  It basically looks
that if the ISP has a policy regarding copyright infringement, and a way
to track each user, then the ISP is not playing COP, but responding to
claims/accusations and should be protected under section 512 safe harbor
laws in the DMCA.

There are many requirements for the letter the copyright holder must
follow, up to and including they have to "swear under penalty of
perjury" that what they are sending is correct.  If it isn't constructed
properly, it is nothing.

We are drafting a policy regarding receiving the letters, and how many
times we will allow it to occur before we must protect our rights under
section 512 for the safe harbor clause of the DMCA.

Unless there is a legal document requiring us to present customer
information, we will protect our customer's rights and privacy.

Finally, we are seeking some legal advice to help draft those response
letters and review our policies before implementing them.

Thanks again.

Eric


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:46 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

Start reading here for ISPS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Lim
ita
tion_Act#Other_Defenses_for_OSPs

The legal advice I have been given has always been e-mail is not a legal
document.  Responding to e-mails is more of a courtesy/CYA than
anything.
Make sure you have a designated agent.  All official communication is
supposed to go through this agent.

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From: "Forrest W Christian (PF Lists)" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:55:20 -0600
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

>For those of you who are just ignoring these:  I'd recommend you read
up
>on the DMCA safe harbor rules  See
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Li
mit
>ation_Act
>
>In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an
affirmative
>defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory
>infringement.
>
>-forrest
>
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Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?

[Eric Rogers]

We use Mikrotik's The Dude.  To accomplish what you are asking, we setup
Parents to each node.  Now, if the core router is down, we don't get an
email for each AP, switch, ups, EMU, or camera, but we get notified that
that tower's main router went down.  Basically, now we only get the
individual towers that are down, and maybe backhauls to/from each one.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 7:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?

Hi Ed

I was looking also for something that sends one "report email" in case
of failure when multiple nodes are down. If 50 nodes are down and part
of the network is cut out, I will receive 50 emails. I would prefer one
email that summarize what went down and what when up, i.e. the state
change when occurs.

anybody has found something with this approach?

Thank you

> Have been using the Dude as my production monitor for over 3 years, 
> works great. Monitoring DS3 and wireless backhauls, Metro-E, wireless 
> and DSL subs. Also Routers, switches and server services.
>
> Ed Spoon
> Manager of Internet Services
> triparish.net  / cajun.net 
> Member: FISPA / WISPA
> Ph: 985-879-3219 / Fax: 985-876-6789
> Computer Sales & Services, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Paolo Di Francesco 
> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>>
wrote:
>
> hum.. I don't know... I tested the dude a couple of years ago and
it had
> the bad habit to reset the configuration, but maybe it was the
> unstability of the version
>
> Do you have it in production without any issue?
>
> Thank you
>
>  > Dude. It e-mails, creates sounds, and even tells you where the
> problem is!
>  >
>  > *---
>  > **_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**
>  > **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>  > Office*: 314-735-0270   > *Website*:
>  > http://www.linktechs.net 
>  > */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>  >  - Author of "Learn
RouterOS"
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>  >
>  > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
]
>  > *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen
>  > *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2011 9:48 AM
>  > *To:* WISPA General List
>  > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?
>  >
>  > We use PRTG, The latest one.
>  >
>  > We watch the web client for down devices, And the important
stuff
> alerts
>  > us via email and text message.
>  >
>  > Nick Olsen
>  > Network Operations
>  >
>  > (855) FLSPEED x106
>  >
>  >
>

>  >
>  > *From*: "Paolo Di Francesco"  >
>  > *Sent*: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:46 AM
>  > *To*: "WISPA General List"  >
>  > *Subject*: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?
>  >
>  > Hi all
>  >
>  > I am curious to know what kind of alarm system you have
> implemented to
>  > see when a link/router is no more reachable on the net.
>  >
>  > Nagios or similar?
>  >
>  > any hint would be appreciated :)
>  >
>  > thank you
>  >
>  >
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>  >
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Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

[Eric Rogers]

We use the 1500 APCs (non SMART-ups), but when  the batteries are at the
end of their life, the entire unit shuts off and we have to visit the
site.  We still continue to use them until we find something better, but
at about 3 years, expect the sites to randomly shut off.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

 

If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200
with an AP9617.  Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC
from utility to your radios.  I think 80 watts gets you an hour of
uptime?

I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new
batteries.  Running three of them for a couple of years now.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr
 wrote:

I thought like +/- $200.00

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

 

How much do you want to spend?

 

Greg

 

On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:

 

What's a good model to look for?  They seem kind of pricey.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

 

I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace
Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special
high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if
you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback.

 

Greg

On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote:





I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex
inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries.  It's not pretty
but I have had no power drops in a couple of years.  Since the unit is
designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face
of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same
setup.  It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is
available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries
to provide ac if the mains ac disappears.  You decide how big a pile of
batteries to attach...

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr
 wrote:

Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-)  it's been a nightmare so far.
Starting to upset customers. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, "Chris Hudson" 
wrote:

Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to
go.. IMO.

 

Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the
typical UPS setup?

 

Chris

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

 

Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt.  We
have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the
MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other
weirdness.

 

Justin

 

--

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Aol & Yahoo IM: j2sw
http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News
http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter

 

From: "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

 

Currently we are having some horrible issues with power
at our tower sites.  Our current configuration is that we have tripplite
smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery.  This
seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or
the UPS or both.  We then notice that the equipment at the tower will
power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on.
This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day.  I
think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being
high enough for the UPS to operate.  We are desperately looking for
other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue.  Most
equipment will operate at 12/24 volt.  1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x
Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket.  Any suggestions are appreciated.

 

Pat

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[WISPA] UBNT to Mikrotik Connection

[Eric Rogers]

We are changing out some Mikrotik Backhauls to UBNT M5 rockets and want
to replace one end at a time.  We have successfully linked an M5 to a
Mikrotik AP using A/N 10 MHz channel width, but I am only getting
24M/65M tx/rx negotiated links.  Signal is -45.

 

Isn't 24M negotiation A only?  Has anyone successfully linked MT to
UBNT?  Maybe it is in one of my settings on the MT.

 

Thanks,

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

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[WISPA] AT&T Propoganda

[Eric Rogers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKl_h3hAEUA

 

I just saw this link on Digg.com of all places.  I hate spreading stuff
like this, but if AT&T is putting something out there, should WISPA?
Maybe saying AT&T more competition is better?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone have a script to log dns or http/https requests fora given IP?

[Eric Rogers]

Snort.org?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:43 PM
To: WISPA General List; us...@wug.cc
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have a script to log dns or http/https requests
fora given IP?

Anyone have a script to log dns or http/https requests for a given IP?
Sort of like a quick and dirty evidence collector?

Greg




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Re: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

[Eric Rogers]

We currently use APC EMU or now NetBotz and What's Up Gold to watch for
condition changes.  It uses SNMP to send traps to WUG and we send alerts
as needed/required.  To add more connections, you buy more   I have been
watching Forest's equipment for some time, and have always wanted to
test some, but the lack of a web page has kept me from it when we have
something that works.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Troy Settle
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

 

I was wondering about that... no experience though.  What
hardware/software do you use at the site to facilitate the monitoring?

 

It was suggested in a private reply to monitor the UPS... but that
doesn't quite work, as the UPS will likely not know the difference
between grid and genny power.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

 

Most of the Generac or commercial gensets have relays in the control
panel that let you know what is going on.  We tie into them and just use
a contact closure monitor.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Troy Settle
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:31 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

 

How does one typically monitor remote locations to know when/if they're
running on generator?  I'd like to know when a generator exorcises and
when it's running due to a power outage.

 

The easiest solution I can think of, is to stick an old routerboard at
the site to run from the generator only, then monitor it to know when
we're on genny power.  This seems a little klunky though.

 

Thanks,

 

-- 

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  The Wired Road Authority

  1117 E. Stuart Dr.

  Galax, VA 24333

  (276) 238-0049 (office)

  (276) 237-3890 (cell)

  tset...@thewiredroad.net

 




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Re: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

[Eric Rogers]

Most of the Generac or commercial gensets have relays in the control
panel that let you know what is going on.  We tie into them and just use
a contact closure monitor.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Troy Settle
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:31 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

 

How does one typically monitor remote locations to know when/if they're
running on generator?  I'd like to know when a generator exorcises and
when it's running due to a power outage.

 

The easiest solution I can think of, is to stick an old routerboard at
the site to run from the generator only, then monitor it to know when
we're on genny power.  This seems a little klunky though.

 

Thanks,

 

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  The Wired Road Authority

  1117 E. Stuart Dr.

  Galax, VA 24333

  (276) 238-0049 (office)

  (276) 237-3890 (cell)

  tset...@thewiredroad.net

 




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Re: [WISPA] Wifi patents?

[Eric Rogers]

http://news.priorsmart.com/innovatio-ip-ventures-v-abp-l3Mf/

Evidently Meijer, Panera, and several others have...

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bruce Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:17 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Wifi patents?

Has anyone run into any intellectual property companies claiming patent
infringement for use of 802.11 in "Business Operations" or providing
"User-level Hotspot Services to the Public"?  One of our customers just
got a letter from an attorney representing Innovatio IP Ventures,
offering to settle up now for "a license with highly favorable terms."

Leaving aside such terms as "slimeballs" and "preying on society"...  
Since this means pretty much anyone who uses Ubiquiti, and could
probably be extended to apply to Canopy even though they aren't using
802.11, I was wondering if anyone else had run into this.  My customer
is much higher profile than I am, and so is a better target, but I
figure it's only a matter of time.

It also means pretty much any company in the entire world, so I figure
they have their work cut out for them.




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[WISPA] Mikrotik Bridge Help

[Eric Rogers]

Ok, I have a strange one.  We are trying to block DHCP return requests
from a Mikrotik CPE.  It used to work but in recent upgrades, we are
showing that the bridge filter is not working.  We are using 4.16
currently.

 

Here are the rules:

/interface bridge filter

add action=log chain=forward comment="Block DHCP Servers from ETH1"
disabled=no in-interface=ether1 ip-protocol=udp log-prefix="DHCP: "
mac-protocol=ip packet-type=broadcast src-port=67

add action=drop chain=forward comment="" disabled=no in-interface=ether1
ip-protocol=udp mac-protocol=ip packet-type=broadcast src-port=67

 

The counters are incrementing for both the LOG and DROP rules, but it is
not dropping the packets in the last rule.  I have also tried turning on
the "Use IP Firewall" option, but still no results.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

[Eric Rogers]

Oops... that was meant to be offlist... Sorry everyone!

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:07 PM
To: jrichard...@aircloud.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

 

Jerry,

 

We have a company that we host www.cablesforless.com that we have gone
through PCI Compliancy testing... and many rounds with Control Scan.
Depending on what they need, we might be able to help them, or point
them in the right direction, or offer them a new home if they can't get
it fixed.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:30 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

 

I work with a group that has a website that is failing PCI compliance
scans. Existing hosting provider might not have the ability to support
it which may mean we need to move.

 

Anyone providing hosting that is PCI compliant? How much?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

[Eric Rogers]

Jerry,

 

We have a company that we host www.cablesforless.com that we have gone
through PCI Compliancy testing... and many rounds with Control Scan.
Depending on what they need, we might be able to help them, or point
them in the right direction, or offer them a new home if they can't get
it fixed.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:30 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

 

I work with a group that has a website that is failing PCI compliance
scans. Existing hosting provider might not have the ability to support
it which may mean we need to move.

 

Anyone providing hosting that is PCI compliant? How much?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

[Eric Rogers]

We have bandwidth allotments, and each package has a certain amount.  If
they upgrade all the way to our business packages, and still fall
outside of the allotments; either they pay the overages, or they switch
to dedicated where it is truly unlimited.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

 

For usage or for sales?



 
-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 12/28/2010 1:53 PM, RickG wrote: 

I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does
everyone define a "dedicated" connection? 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

[Eric Rogers]

And when I say re-negotiate, I mean sign a new contract at the other
rate.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

No no no no What I am saying is that I am willing to "re-up" the
contract (as I have done for the last 6 years) and get current services
that they are selling to others.  I am fully capable/willing to finish
my contract with them.  What bothers me is that to "Upgrade" to more
speed, they are selling it to me at nearly double the price as what they
are selling it to anyone off the street.  Wouldn't you want to reward
current customers for being loyal?

It is forcing us to look elsewhere for the upgraded speed, which we
should be doing anyway.  Just the principal that they won't re-negotiate
the contract to what they are selling to others.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

  So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end
of the contract? How does that make sense?

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently 
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of 
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY 
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to

> do any BGP peering?
>
> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up 
> with AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less 
> than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and

> they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because

> I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for

> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new 
> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am 
> under contract...
>
> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

[Eric Rogers]

No no no no What I am saying is that I am willing to "re-up" the
contract (as I have done for the last 6 years) and get current services
that they are selling to others.  I am fully capable/willing to finish
my contract with them.  What bothers me is that to "Upgrade" to more
speed, they are selling it to me at nearly double the price as what they
are selling it to anyone off the street.  Wouldn't you want to reward
current customers for being loyal?

It is forcing us to look elsewhere for the upgraded speed, which we
should be doing anyway.  Just the principal that they won't re-negotiate
the contract to what they are selling to others.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

  So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end
of the contract? How does that make sense?

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently 
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of 
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY 
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to

> do any BGP peering?
>
> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up 
> with AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less 
> than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and

> they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because

> I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for

> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new 
> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am 
> under contract...
>
> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

[Eric Rogers]

We are only 8 miles from Indy, but there are no other CLECs in the
central office for Mooresville.  So, our options are AT&T, or Comcast
(because they have coax).  Shoot me a call (317) 831-3000 x200 if you
have ideas.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

  I think we spoke once before.  You're not too far out from 
Indianapolis, so you should be able to get IP there at a decent rate.

-
Mike Hammett
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http://www.ics-il.com



On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
> do any BGP peering?
>
> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up
with
> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
> under contract...
>
> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
>
>


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[WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

[Eric Rogers]

I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
do any BGP peering?

What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
under contract...

When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200




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Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

[Eric Rogers]

Why not use N radios?  If you don't like UBNT Rockets, then look at
Mikrotik 411s with Baltic Networks' Ubitik device.  You can buy the UBNT
dual-polarity dishes, but use Mikrotiks on them.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

There was a discussion here not to long ago about interference with
using two radios in one rb. As I recall there is interference but
someone had a solution. I am sure someone will chime in or you could
check the archive. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
 wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per
> routerboard and that worked nicely.
> 
> Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad
idea,
> the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some
> interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent
> channels.
> 
> that's why I would appreciate any suggestion about multiple radios on
> the same routerboard.
> 
> Thank you in advance
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
> 
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> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
> Fax: +39-091-6406200
> 
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> http://www.teleinform.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

[Eric Rogers]

Forbes,

Can you give me a little more info on the setup of your network?  Are
you layer 2 throughout your backhauls and tower sites?  I have seen OSPF
flapping causing some weird issues on layer 3 networks.  If you look at
the routers in the tower site, do you see anything in the log as to what
is going on?

Experience says it is the first site that is having issues that is
causing issues behind it.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to
have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to
where, how how long.  The tower that was affected by last nights
lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it.  The outages were so
extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later
65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming
from.  I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core
router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been
compromised but show run didn't reveal anything.  Oh the other thing,
every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the
network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use
it said it was in use.  I had to repair my connection often just to do
work on the network and it would work for a while then again say
duplicate IP.  That's why I'm convinced it's traffic.

I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers
there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on
but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on
but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night.  
Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our
12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet
drop in the filters.  My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this
business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in
town and they both said "geez I don't know you wireless guys have way
bigger networks than we do".  sigh.

Thanks,
Forbes




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Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

[Eric Rogers]

If it was legitimately an accident, they happen and probably look for an
insurance claim, or just eat the cost.  See if any vendors/other ISPs
would sell an end in case of a lightning strike or something.  It
doesn't make sense that they would only sell them in pairs.

If the employee was jacking around, then ABSOLUTELY fire him.

Eric


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60.  According to
our
reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.

What would you guys do in this case?  Press charges against the
installer
and file with insurance?  Just fire the employee?  Anyone else had
someone
this stupid do something similar?




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Re: [WISPA] 900mhz co-locate with farm RTK

[Eric Rogers]

We had over 100 ft of separation, and we were horizontal and they were 
vertical.  I was very skeptical at first, and my clause stated that no tenants 
after me could cause interference.  I was expecting something, but honestly, I 
saw nothing.  Worked like a charm.

I would try it and see if it causes problems.  If it does, then re-address it.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:23 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] 900mhz co-locate with farm RTK

Does anyone here have any 900mhz Canopy co-located on the same tower with a
farmers Real Time Kinetics for the GPS in the tractors? I know they use
900mhz and I talked to the company here local that put the RTK on the tower
and they claim that they had stuff on a tower once with another ISP doing
900mhz Canopy and the ISP said that he could not tell of any interference to
his customers or AP but the guys tractors wouldn't receive for about ¼ mile
around the site that the Canopy equipment was on. I have a site where I am
thinking of deploying Canopy on and I can get 10 feet of horizontal
separation from the RTK antenna but can't get any vertical separation. 

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower on fire! (With Cellular involved)

[Eric Rogers]

I do know that epoxy paint is very expensive.  I got a quote for $26,000
to weld some brackets on the top of a tank just so I can mount my stuff.
There is a lining inside the tank as well as the outside.  If they have
to repaint it, I bet $400k isn't even for the equipment and transmission
lines.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 3:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower on fire! (With Cellular involved)

> Dahl said damage to the cables and paint on the tower is estimated at 
> $400,000.

Now thats funny.  Talking about Gold diggin Munis, They must be planning
on 
using Gold based paint and Gold plated cable to match.

After stating "no structural damage".  Now if they were counting lost 
revenue for the Cell carrier's customers during the outage, well, then
I'd 
understand it.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Blake Bowers" 
To: 
Cc: "Broadcast Radio Mailing List" ; 
; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:22 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower on fire! (With Cellular involved)


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

[Eric Rogers]

Dumb-ass attack this morning... I didn't change the destination...
Please dis-regard everyone.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them.  Would
you take $350 for all three?

It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this
morning, so I won't be able to do much.  If you respond before 9:00 I
can send payment by PayPal.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d

I will remove items as they are sold.


Thanks

[cid:image001.gif@01CAE277.545A7380]
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Public and Private WiFi

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VP Operations
925-260-4119 x2
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

[Eric Rogers]

I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them.  Would
you take $350 for all three?

It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this
morning, so I won't be able to do much.  If you respond before 9:00 I
can send payment by PayPal.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d

I will remove items as they are sold.


Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

[Eric Rogers]

Try this if your CPEs are bridging:

--

/interface bridge filter

add action=log chain=forward comment="Block DHCP Servers from ETH1"
disabled=no in-interface=ether1 ip-protocol=udp log-prefix="DHCP: "
mac-protocol=ip packet-type=broadcast src-port=67

add action=drop chain=forward comment="" disabled=no in-interface=ether1
ip-protocol=udp mac-protocol=ip packet-type=broadcast src-port=67

--

Eric


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

I put all the subs in router mode as well and have them pull from a
different subnet.  That also allows me to use only a hub instead of a
router
inside the structure if it's to all be wired.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

We always put our Customer CPEs in Router mode.  Never have the problem
:)  You can make your DHCP Authoritive, or have your RouterOS e-mail you
when another DHCP server is detected.  


---
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MTCTCE, MTCUME 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?

We've had this happen a efw times and its very time consuming to find
and stop. I.e the customer plays with cables and ens up sending DHCP
into the network

anyone know of a way with mikrotik routers to stop this, we use
mikrotik for our core router and tower side bridges, I'd love to put a
firewall setup on them to stop this. and track down.

Thanks --
Ryan Ghering
Network Operations - Plains.Net
Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879




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Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?

[Eric Rogers]

Is there a reason you are using Pseudobridge?  You will not be able to
pass any MAC addresses behind the Station (CPE/Slave), it MAC NATs.
Change to WDS instead and see if your problems go away.  It is better to
have a layer 2 bridge and deal with the broadcasts at each site.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks for the interest in helping here is the info:

Site A
RB532A board
AR5212 chip
v3.30 OS
Running as an AP Bridge
Running WDS and Nstreme

Site B to Site A
RB133 board
A5413 chip
v3.30 OS
Running as Station WDS
Running WDS and Nstreme

Site B to Site C
RB532A board
AR5413 chip
v3.30 OS
Running as an AP Bridge
Running Nstreme (not WDS)

Site C
RB532A
AR5413 chip
v3.30 OS
Running as station pseudobridge
Running Nstreme (not WDS)





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Re: [WISPA] Postfix/Dovecot Experts

[Eric Rogers]

Ok... I fixed it.  We were using PAM using LDAP for the authentication
for SMTP and just LDAP for Dovecot (imap/pop3).  I found an article on
how to set SMTP to use Dovecot as the authentication source for email so
I just change the LDAP settings in one place.

http://www.linuxmail.info/postfix-smtp-auth-dovecot-sasl/

That sped my lookups up when the "auth" line goes through, instead of
being 30 seconds to more than a minute to less than a second.

Thanks for all the input, but I thought I would pass it along that it
was fixed.

I did check and I am not using any RBLs, the failure was on the
authentication.  I did check DNS entries and made sure everything is
going through successfully.

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Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postfix/Dovecot Experts

On that note, does anyone have a website or listing of defunct DNSBL's
or any defunct blacklists? Would be nice if you could sign up for some
kind of warning via email or whatever.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Kristian Hoffmann 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:15:56 -0700

>Are you using a DNSBL that doesn't work anymore or that is blocking
you?
>Is the delay before or after the banner, and if after, at what point?
>Have you tried doing an SMTP session by hand with telnet to see where
>the delay is?
>
>-Kristian
>
>
>On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 16:33 -0400, Eric Rogers wrote:
>> I have a CentOS box that uses LDAP to authenticate my POP3/IMAP/SMTP
>> queries to my Active Directory server.  I am having problems with the
>> SMTP side.  It works, but people are complaining it is slow, like 30
>> seconds to 60 seconds for the sending/authentication to happen.  I
don't
>> see anything in the logs, but if anyone is familiar with Postfix
using
>> PAM/LDAP, please hit me offlist.  I am looking for ideas for logging
>> levels and/or troubleshooting advice.
>> 
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>> Thanks,
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?

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I will second that.  We are a reseller as well and we had someone that had 
purchased one on e-Bay that called us about renewal.  When we called Barracuda 
to re-up it, when we gave them the serial number, they knew it was on ebay and 
had disabled the unit.  They have people that actively watch those sites and 
disable them as they find them.

Eric

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Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?

Last I knew you could not buy a Barracuda second hand and get updates.
One of the sucky things about their policies.

Justin
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:27 PM
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>> Can you help out?
>>
>> I got a 4 year old 300 unit, IIRC we bought it 2nd hand.  We need to
>> renovate the updates subscription, Barracuda would not allow it without
>> a hefty ($3500+) Hardware Replacement Subscription
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:25 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates?
>>
>> We are as well.
>>
>> -Gary-
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>> ga...@kingoffice.com
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>> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates?
>>
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>>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 16:04, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>>
 Anyone here a reseller of Barracuda for Annual Updates?

>>>
>>> I believe Mac Dearman still is a Barracuda reseller, as well as a
>> WISPA
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>>> http://inetsouth.com/
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[WISPA] Postfix/Dovecot Experts

[Eric Rogers]

I have a CentOS box that uses LDAP to authenticate my POP3/IMAP/SMTP
queries to my Active Directory server.  I am having problems with the
SMTP side.  It works, but people are complaining it is slow, like 30
seconds to 60 seconds for the sending/authentication to happen.  I don't
see anything in the logs, but if anyone is familiar with Postfix using
PAM/LDAP, please hit me offlist.  I am looking for ideas for logging
levels and/or troubleshooting advice.

 

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements

[Eric Rogers]

Jack,

 

Who do I contact to get on the list?  I am like 5 miles from one of the
TDWR radar sites.  We are using Motorola 5.4 with 9.5 so it supposedly
has more updated signatures.  I would rather get on the list voluntarily
than they find me.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM
To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements

 

The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35
km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information
in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an
interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz away
from the single-frequency that the nearby TDWR uses. 

jack


Nathan Stooke wrote: 

Hello,
 
So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the
already blocked out part of the 5.4 band?
 
Thanks
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
 
And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around
these radar sites.
 
 
 
Thank You,
Brian Webster
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar
 
Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I
read
the radar has a range of 460 kilometers.
 
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM
To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
 
A thing to note...
 
All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with
licensed users
 
Lessons I get from them...
 
1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band
2) Keep your EIRP down
3) Check your installations for out of band emissions.
 
 
 
Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
  

Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across
these:
 
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html
 
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html
 
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html
 
Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can
happen.
 
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[WISPA] E-Rate Information

[Eric Rogers]

Ok... I have a question about eRate.  We have been providing service to
a school corporation at a discounted rate (because they are a school)
and now they are requesting that we become e-rate so the government pays
part.  They are also looking at increasing the bandwidth as well.  I am
thinking that would be a good time to apply for e-rate and increase
rates back to where they should be so the school gets a discount still,
but we are paid for our services.

 

Are there any downfalls to signing up and getting a SPIN?  I don't think
this will increase my ability to get schools/libraries.  I am a bit
concerned that becoming e-rate, I must collect USF fees or something
like that.

 

Any feedback or discussion is welcome as I am still on the fence.

 

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Re: [WISPA] 700mhz Wimax

[Eric Rogers]

Sorry...Didn't read it well enough...Please dis-regard.  I assumed 3.65
because of all the previous conversation!!!

Eric

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Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:40 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] 700mhz Wimax

Aside from Airspan, can any suggest a manufacturer that produces 700mhz 
Wimax equipment? We own several licenses.

Trolling salesmen and vendors, feel free to contact me offlist.

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Re: [WISPA] 700mhz Wimax

[Eric Rogers]

Didn't you have to put an equipment vendor/model to obtain the license?
I don't know if you will have to re-apply if you change vendors.

I would look at Motorola, but that is a biased opinion.

Eric


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Subject: [WISPA] 700mhz Wimax

Aside from Airspan, can any suggest a manufacturer that produces 700mhz 
Wimax equipment? We own several licenses.

Trolling salesmen and vendors, feel free to contact me offlist.

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Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

[Eric Rogers]

I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years
of calculus and you would think I could at least add.  Sorry, I forgot I
used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it
was near $200, but is was $250.  Complete system $286, and with
quantities, I am sure it will come down.

$69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter
$109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom
$49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN
$29 - 1 GB Memory
$39 - 1 GB SATA DOM
--
$286

I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF
(Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same.
 
$69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter
$69 - Motherboard
$9 - Riser Card
$29 - 1 GB Memory
$10 - USB Flash Drive
$99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card)
-
$285

Eric




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Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM
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Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together 
for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these.

Travis
Microserv

Eric Rogers wrote:
> We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys.  They are Atom
> processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether
> add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at
> the $200 mark.  We just implemented our first one this week.  So far,
so
> good.  The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these
> enclosures.  None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*.
>
> For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements.  I
> am really worried more about the heat.
>
> Eric
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
>
> All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only

> way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>   
>> A RB450G should be fine for what you need.  Or use an RB493AH if you
>> need more ports.  If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is
>> coming out which looks pretty sweet.
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Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

[Eric Rogers]

We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys.  They are Atom
processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether
add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at
the $200 mark.  We just implemented our first one this week.  So far, so
good.  The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these
enclosures.  None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*.

For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements.  I
am really worried more about the heat.

Eric


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Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only 
way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system.

Travis
Microserv

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Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[Eric Rogers]

Blake,

It might be good to attach a picture of the rope, as it matters to us as well 
if it is braided or twisted.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

Twisted or braided?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of
> WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.
>
> If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.
>
>
> ROPE FOR SALE
>
> I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a
> roll,
> all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.
>
> This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how
> special
> yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)
>
> Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.
>
> Did I mention it was NEW old stock?
>
> Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How
> can
> he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
> INSANE!
>
> We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.
>
> Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I
> can
> deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
> Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
> also
>
> Rope is located in southern Missouri.
>
> Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.
>
> Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.
>
> Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773
>
> *
>
> Legal warning.  Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling,
> storage, care, and use.  Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute
> failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such
> rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting
> that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as
> such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any
> way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is
> NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where
> prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.
>
> *
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

[Eric Rogers]

The only dual-pol antenna I found was
http://www.hol4g.com/ac/product.aspx?number=RWS-SPD2-2.4NS&p=171423&sc=3
557.  Is UBNT on these forums?  Do they have any prototypes to test
with?  We have a project as Andy stated that we need to get a link up
quickly (month or so) to a school.  5.X is already busy and they need
something capable of 20 Meg (10 each way).  It is in the country, but
the tower that will feed them is full of 5.X GHz.

Suggestions?

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number is
in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any information
would help.

 

Andy Trimmell - Network Administrator

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

atrimm...@precisionds.com

317.831.3000

http://www.pdswireless.com

 





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Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT Cisco PoE

[Eric Rogers]

I do have some of those if you need some.  I used to have 50 or so.  Now
I think I have a dozen that are still new, and a dozen that are used/out
of box.  If you are interested, let me know.  Otherwise they will still
sit on the shelf.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:58 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Semi-OT Cisco PoE

I believe I need a AIR-PWRINJ3 PoE injector for a Cisco 7960 phone.
Would anything we use be an appropriate replacement?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

[Eric Rogers]

We did something similar with the pivot Dewalt flashlight.  Since we use the 
18v drills, it worked perfectly.  Took the flashlight part off, and left the 
handle with the switch.  Connected a cat5 keystone jack...whittled out the hole 
where the flashlight head used to be.  Now we have a handle with a keystone 
sticking out the top.  If we want to power a Motorola, we use a straight 
through cable.  If we power Mikrotik, we use a short 2" jumper with a keystone 
at one end (reverse the power blue/brown pairs) so it is a Male Female 
extension.  I don't have pictures, but with Moto, just power the unit with 
headphones for a site-survey...Takes like 10 minutes if that.  Not lugging 
computers around.  AMAZING!!!

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ryan Spott
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

http://tranzeofaq.com/images/site_survey/images/

ryan

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Eje Gustafsson  wrote:
> Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
>
> Look at the picture better.  It says patent pending.
>
> Zoomed in:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson  wrote:
>
>> Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for
>> this
>> very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.
>>
>> It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
>> ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new
>> Ryobi
>> One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
>> similar for their batteries ;)
>>
>> / Eje
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
>>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
>> the
>>
>> indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery
>> fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?
>>
>> Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power
>> supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction
>> box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep
>> track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for <
>> 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and
>> then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to
>> find out, but taht is not always the case.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
>>
>>
>> > Tom,
>> >
>> > Problem solved:
>> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
>> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg
>> >
>> > That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
>> > Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>> > --- Albert Einstein
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
> Ethernet
>> >> port.
>> >>
>> >> There is good reason for that.
>> >> 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
>> >> 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
> serving
>> >> residential.
>> >>
>> >> 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
>> >>    a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
>> >> Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
>> >>            Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
>> >> second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
>> >> and
>> >> no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up
> and
>> >> functioning.
>> >>    b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
> easilly
>> >> with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
>> >> distracted by customer.
>> >>
>> >>   c) We want a case t

Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

I would say that we are a little higher usage.  I'll have to run the numbers, 
but for an example, my top user right now is pulling on average 5GB per day 
this month alone.  The next 1% are 2-3G/Day and the next 2 or 3% are at the 
1G/day mark.

So definitely the top 5% are the big bandwidth hogs.

Eric



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

Here's some quick numbers off my network:

for the last 8 days
71% of customers downloaded less than 1 GByte of Data.
The top 10% all exceeded 2 GB
The top 5% all exceeded 4.4 GB
The top 1% exceeded 10 GB



Marco



On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:08 PM, George Morris  wrote:
> Amen. It would be a very handy thing to maintain that list of speedtest
> servers centrally somewhere, perhaps within WISPA.
>
> We don't belong to WISPA because its FCC centric which really doesn't help
> us much. Much of the dues go to getting the FCC to move in a given direction
> which isn't of much direct help for Canadian WISPs.
>
> If we had some services of this kind that were maintained by the WISPA
> team/members that would change my mind in a heartbeat.
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:01 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
>
> I have (hopefully) all the speedtest ips in the allow list.  They run
> speedtest real fast, but download video for an hour and it will
> throttle you.  Find those speedtest IPs and let em run.  Perception
> is everything.  Give them the perception they get that all the time.
>
> Mike
>
> At 12:25 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote:
>>No, but they expect to get their speed every time they get on and they are
>>great at running speed tests. I understand we are int he business of shared
>>bandwidth but the equipment can only handle so much. It goes back to proper
>>ratios. When you do the numbers properly, it doesnt make financial sense.
>>
>>On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Jayson Baker 
> wrote:
>>
>> > Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you " guaranteed
>> > > minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and
>> > > 6Mbps" at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong
>> > but
>> > > the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy subscribers
> when
>> > > their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can come
>> > in.
>> > > I
>> > > find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if it
>> > can
>> > > be delivered.
>> > >
>> > > BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost
> money
>> > > since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an
>> > > non-subsidized "all you can eat service" company in a competitive
> market
>> > > that actually makes money (bottom line).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple years,
>> > and
>> > > > even tested it for a bit.
>> > > >
>> > > > Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess.  I, myself,
>> > > being
>> > > > a
>> > > > fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an
>> > unlimited
>> > > > plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use plan.  I
>> > have
>> > > > unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc.  If I could pay for
>> > > > unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too!
>> > > >
>> > > > We've got the infrastructure in place for a pay-per-use, and could
>> > > activate
>> > > > it at anytime.  We tried selling it about a year ago, and people
> just
>> > > > didn't
>> > > > understand the concept.  People aren't used to it--most people got
>> > online
>> > > > when Internet was $19.95/mo for dialup (or, $22.95 for AOL!), and
> don't
>> > > > remember the 10 for $10 dial-up packages.  Nobody knows what ISDN
> with
>> > > 300
>> > > > hours is.
>> > > >
>> > > > We currently offer 12Mbps service for $24.95/mo.  This makes us the
>> > > fastest
>> > > > in the area, and the cheapest.  We have local sales, support and
>> > > > installations.  We decided the way to win is to shape traffic--we
> offer
>> > > > three 12Mbps packages; one with a guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps,
> 4Mbps
>> > > and
>> > > > 6Mbps.  If you do nothing than browse, share pictures, etc. (i.e.
>> > "normal
>> > > > use") you'll always see the 12Mbps.  But once you fire up a torrent
> or
>> > > > Netflix, you only get that speed for 10 minutes--after that, you get
>> > your
>> > > > guaranteed minimum.  Prices double from 1.5 to 4, and double again
>> > going
>> > > to
>> > > > 6Mbps.  We have never had a complaint about speed or price with this
>> 

Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

What happens when the teenager starts the streaming tv on the xbox and  
a friend shows up... decides to go down the street but leaves it  
running till mom and dad gets home at 6:00 PM?  Then mom and dad  
decide to rent a movie.  To me, I am counting on over-selling the  
bandwidth and that is where the profit is.  My dynamic is changing and  
the only thing that makes sense is to pay if you use it ... more than  
normal.

I am looking for pros and cons of metered/tiered billing.  I have  
heard from many as to why they wouldn't and don't, so who is billing  
tiered and/or metered?  The questions still stand.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200

Fat-fingered from my phone!

On Nov 8, 2009, at 9:46 AM, "Jayson Baker"   
wrote:

> Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long.
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you "  
>> guaranteed
>> minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and
>> 6Mbps" at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm  
>> wrong but
>> the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy  
>> subscribers when
>> their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can  
>> come in.
>> I
>> find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if  
>> it can
>> be delivered.
>>
>> BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost  
>> money
>> since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an
>> non-subsidized "all you can eat service" company in a competitive  
>> market
>> that actually makes money (bottom line).
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple  
>>> years, and
>>> even tested it for a bit.
>>>
>>> Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess.  I, myself,
>> being
>>> a
>>> fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an  
>>> unlimited
>>> plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use plan.   
>>> I have
>>> unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc.  If I could pay for
>>> unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too!
>>>
>>> We've got the infrastructure in place for a pay-per-use, and could
>> activate
>>> it at anytime.  We tried selling it about a year ago, and people  
>>> just
>>> didn't
>>> understand the concept.  People aren't used to it--most people got  
>>> online
>>> when Internet was $19.95/mo for dialup (or, $22.95 for AOL!), and  
>>> don't
>>> remember the 10 for $10 dial-up packages.  Nobody knows what ISDN  
>>> with
>> 300
>>> hours is.
>>>
>>> We currently offer 12Mbps service for $24.95/mo.  This makes us the
>> fastest
>>> in the area, and the cheapest.  We have local sales, support and
>>> installations.  We decided the way to win is to shape traffic--we  
>>> offer
>>> three 12Mbps packages; one with a guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps,  
>>> 4Mbps
>> and
>>> 6Mbps.  If you do nothing than browse, share pictures, etc. (i.e.  
>>> "normal
>>> use") you'll always see the 12Mbps.  But once you fire up a  
>>> torrent or
>>> Netflix, you only get that speed for 10 minutes--after that, you  
>>> get your
>>> guaranteed minimum.  Prices double from 1.5 to 4, and double again  
>>> going
>> to
>>> 6Mbps.  We have never had a complaint about speed or price with this
>>> structure.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that the "big guys" do go to pay-per-use plans.  Just  
>>> one more
>>> way we can advertise and win against them.  "Tired of counting  
>>> your bits
>>> and
>>> bytes?  We're unlimited"  Look at Cricket wireless--they've just  
>>> exploded
>>> with customers on their unlimited-everything service.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents
>>>
>>> Jayson
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The cellular guys don't charge by the minute... I have an unlimited
>> plan
>>>> on my cell phone. I can also get unlimited text and internet  
>>>> access for
>>>> $9.95/mo extra.
>>>>
>>>> People don't want to guess what their internet bills are going to  
>&g

Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

Are you suggesting some sort of metric to say they are over-using
service and to move to a higher usage service?  We have been "All you
can eat" for years but we are at a point where demand is driving
upgrades.  I have always called the customer that used double what the
norm was and explained that we are a small company and that we are doing
this because there are no other options...don't abuse it.  We are
currently switching out equipment on busy towers because of the traffic
we are seeing.  Now business wise, it was probably my mistake or
underestimation that I chose it, but it served a purpose and made money.

 

I have been looking at the explosive growth of technology and for me to
replace equipment every time something changes, or a better product
comes out, that doesn't make any financial sense because we will never
make money.  If busy towers have overage charges, that drives "extra"
revenue that can be used directly for the benefit of all customers.
(that's my logic)

 

Look at the cellular industry.  They were metered...$XX dollars for YY
minutes and $.ZZ for overage fees.  They then created a "Unlimited" plan
that is double if not triple the cost.  It is still a tiered plan and
that is totally an option.

 

My thoughts are the following:

$30/mo 768K ...Cap of 20 Gig

$40/mo 1.5M ...Cap of 40 Gig

$50/mo 3.0M ...Cap of 60 Gig

$150/mo 3.0M ...Unlimited

$1/Gig overage fee

AND any previous plan will not exceed the $150 cap.

 

If the plans won't touch 95% of the customers, there is no threat.  It
is those that are bandwidth hogs that are usually the ones that will
drop you or complain.

 

Plus, it will allow the customer to chose to move up as you suggested,
to a faster/higher cap plan.

 

Eric

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

 

Marlon,

With thousands of wireless users, I think our "unlimited eat all you
want" is working quite well. And I can say we have 5 or 6 competitors
(DSL, wireless, cable, licensed Wimax, etc.) so there is no monopoly.
You are brining in $1k extra per month... but it would be interesting to
see how much "extra" time is being spent on that system... including the
billing, phone calls, tracking, analyzing, etc.

You would be better off to just "upgrade" those higher usage customers
to a more expensive monthly plan, and stop worrying about billing for
overage. You would make more "profit" each month by doing so.

Travis
Microserv


Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 

http://www.odessaoffice.com/services.html
 
We've done this for years.  Brandon Checkalets built the software that
we 
use.
 
We bill on usage.  Lowish base price, but relatively high overage fees.
We 
bill out about $1k per month in overages.
 
Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month.
 
We have lost a few customers due to this.  But they are net negative 
customers so I don't mind.  After all, there are two main goals in
business. 
One, turn a profit, two, make sure your competition doesn't.  Loosing 
someone that's pulling 20+ gigs per month certainly isn't helping my 
competition's services at all!
 
We just compare the billing mechanism to things people are already
paying as 
they go.  Stuff like gas, food, electricity, cell phone minutes,
clothes, 
water, tires, um, everything else in life!  If they are really sharp
I'll 
explain how the all you can eat all of the time only works if there is a

monopoly with artificially high prices for everyone else.
marlon
 
- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Rogers" 
<mailto:ecrog...@precisionds.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing
 
 
  

We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing
structure
with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off,
but they
get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and
I don't
want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I
think
they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a
month, when
the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for
expanding
the network.
 
 
 
Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were
your
customers responses?
 
What are your tiers?
 
Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?
 
 
     
We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send
out the
le

Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

Put radius attribute 27 (Session Timeout) to 2 days and it will
automatically disconnect them every 48 hrs.  I set the businesses to 5
days.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Morris
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:58 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

That's interesting. So in theory we could just script a 'flicker' at the
APs
at Midnight, and another 'flicker' at 6am to get the settings to change
at
the client...

Good idea! Thanks Josh.

George 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

In PPPOE you should be able to just kill the connection and the client
should reestablish a moment afterward.  I know it works this way with MT
PPPOE server/client.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:38 PM, George Morris
wrote:

> Rick, did you have a self-serve portal where your customers could
check
> ongoing usage?
>
> We are implementing IPtrack, same as Marlon. Brandon will build a
> self-service portal for us.
>
> We are also going to implement something called 'Moonlighting', where
we
> don't count bandwidth from Midnight to 6am in an effort to move some
heavy
> traffic onto the dead period on our network.
>
> Makes tiered pricing easier to swallow...
>
> What I would really like to do is allow a speed increase at the same
time,
> to give people a taste of our more advanced services.
>
> Unfortunately I have no idea how to make that happen in a PPPoE
environment
> without forcing people to disconnect and re-login.
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
>
> Travis, I was operating on the premise that you said to send them to
DSL
or
> cable.
> Even with that, I did not have that experience. We sent the invoices
out
> with a copy of their usage report and it was rarely, if ever
questioned.
> -RickG
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> >  And deal with the extra phone calls each month from customers that
claim
> > they didn't use that much. :(
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > RickG wrote:
> >
> > Many of you know this is not that hard. Back in 1997 I had an Allot
box
> that
> > gave me the numbers. All I did was pull the report and bill
accordingly.
> The
> > hard part would be integrating it with a billing system so it does
it
> > automatically.  -RickG
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Eric Rogers

> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing
structure
> > with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but
they
> > get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I
don't
> > want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
> > they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
> > applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month,
when
> > the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for
expanding
> > the network.
> >
> >
> >
> > Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
> > customers responses?
> >
> > What are your tiers?
> >
> > Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?
> >
> >
> >
> > We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out
the
> > letter saying we are doing it and why.
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Rogers
> >
> > Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> >
> > (317) 831-3000 x200
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

So have you tried it or are you doing it now that you are saying it is a
pain in the rear?

 

Eric

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

 

And deal with the extra phone calls each month from customers that claim
they didn't use that much. :(

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote: 

Many of you know this is not that hard. Back in 1997 I had an Allot box
that
gave me the numbers. All I did was pull the report and bill accordingly.
The
hard part would be integrating it with a billing system so it does it
automatically.  -RickG
 
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Eric Rogers 
<mailto:ecrog...@precisionds.com> wrote:
 
  

We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing
structure
with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off,
but they
get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and
I don't
want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I
think
they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a
month, when
the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for
expanding
the network.
 
 
 
Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were
your
customers responses?
 
What are your tiers?
 
Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?
 
 
 
We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send
out the
letter saying we are doing it and why.
 
     
     
Eric Rogers
 
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
 
(317) 831-3000 x200
 
 
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

I do agree with you and that works if there are other options.  One
customer who was downloading 160G, came from DSL and moved into this
neighborhood and now wants high speed where we are the only option.  It
is only a matter of time before others are using Netflix and others.
They come in all gaming consoles now.  Why not have the customers pay
for upgrades?  If there is a high demand for services, the demand drives
growth; or fees stifle demand.

Maybe my logic is flawed, but if 5% of the customer base is straining
the network, shouldn't they pay more?

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10% 
customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding complexity 
to your network.

Travis
Microserv

Chuck Profito wrote:
> Marlon does this and smiles every time he signs a Bandwidth Hog!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Eric Rogers
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing
>
> We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing
structure
> with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they
> get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I
don't
> want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
> they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
> applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month,
when
> the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding
> the network.
>
>  
>
> Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
> customers responses?
>
> What are your tiers?
>
> Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?
>
>  
>
> We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out
the
> letter saying we are doing it and why.
>
>  
>
> Eric Rogers
>
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

I use multiple MS IAS radius servers logging to a SQL server with accounting 
on.  I have already built a customer portal to display billing info for 
customers, and I just added a section that shows their current usage.  Each 
time a customer views a page, it will also search the database and look for 
overages and email out reminders if they reach the 75% mark on their cap 
automatically.

All has been custom built, but if you are using RADIUS with accounting, it is a 
snap.

Eric


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Joe Miller
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

Eric,

What type of appliance are you using to meter this usage? I have the same 
problem here.

Joe



- Original Message 
From: Eric Rogers 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 6:56:03 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing

We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing structure
with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they
get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I don't
want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, when
the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding
the network.



Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
customers responses?

What are your tiers?

Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?



We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out the
letter saying we are doing it and why.



Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200




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[WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing structure
with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they
get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I don't
want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, when
the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding
the network.

 

Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
customers responses?

What are your tiers?

Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?

 

We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out the
letter saying we are doing it and why.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200




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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues.

[Eric Rogers]

Further, are you using a router (Linksys/D-Link/Netgear/Other) with
PPPoE, or the computer with PPPoE, or even DHCP?

Eric


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:33 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues.

>The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and functional.

Are you sure it's functional?  I expect it probably isn't usable while
the
pings stop just like browsing isn't capable.

What are you pinging from/to?

Do you have the Tranzeo fix applied to your CPEs as you're using a
Mikrotik
AP?  Is the Tranzeo rebooting per their interpretation of the RFC?  Is
the
wireless registration staying up according to the AP?

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mark McElvy  wrote:

> Recently I posted an issue with a new customer that had a great signal
> but poor throughput. A lot of people sais multipath. Well now I have
> more data and another customer seeing the same thing.
>
>
>
> 1.   If you get connected to an RDP session it stays connected.
>
> 2.   If you do a constant ping, you get responses for a while, you
> won't get responses for a while.
>
> 3.   While the pings respond, you can web browse fast.
>
> 4.   While the pings don't respond, you get page cannot be
> displayed.
>
> 5.   The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and
> functional.
>
> 6.   Customer says the online game they play will take several
> attempts to connect but once connected it works great.
>
>
>
> Someone else suggested power but tried different power supplies with
> same result. These are Tranzeo CPQ's as clients and MT
AP/RB532/XR-2/120
> 16db HPol.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark McElvy
> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

[Eric Rogers]

But it is exactly what I am looking for... SEC-2V-5H-90 Bummer...

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Nice antenna, but it is $1300 list.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Goicoechea
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:29 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

We have tested different types and found with the dual pol Sectors that
Radiowaves makes an excellent antenna. They offer 2.4v and 5.8h or 2.4h
and
5.8v. They offer 60 or 90 degree. We have used 3 90s for 360 coverage on
a
tower with great results. If you need further information feel free to
hit
me off list. 

Mike Goicoechea 
m...@cielosystems.net 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Below PacWireless?  That's hitting below the belt.

Any other suggestions for quality dual band sectors?

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:

> We used some a few years ago for a vWISP on his original tower
install.
> Over time, he moved to dedicated backhauls in place of the 5.8 portion
of
> the sectors.  I can't remember how well they worked to tell the truth
as I
> was not intimately involved in any installs off of the 5.8 portion.
>
> Sorry this isn't much help.
>
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
>
> Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:
>
> > http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> > Behalf Of Eric Rogers
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
> >
> > Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are
90.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Rogers
> >
> > Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> >
> > (317) 831-3000 x200
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

[Eric Rogers]

Nice antenna, but it is $1300 list.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Goicoechea
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:29 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

We have tested different types and found with the dual pol Sectors that
Radiowaves makes an excellent antenna. They offer 2.4v and 5.8h or 2.4h
and
5.8v. They offer 60 or 90 degree. We have used 3 90s for 360 coverage on
a
tower with great results. If you need further information feel free to
hit
me off list. 

Mike Goicoechea 
m...@cielosystems.net 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Below PacWireless?  That's hitting below the belt.

Any other suggestions for quality dual band sectors?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:

> We used some a few years ago for a vWISP on his original tower
install.
> Over time, he moved to dedicated backhauls in place of the 5.8 portion
of
> the sectors.  I can't remember how well they worked to tell the truth
as I
> was not intimately involved in any installs off of the 5.8 portion.
>
> Sorry this isn't much help.
>
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
>
> Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:
>
> > http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

[Eric Rogers]

That is almost exactly what I want... Do they make it polar opposite?
Like 2.4 V and 5.8 H?

Eric

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http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane

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Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?

 

Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.

 

Thanks,

 

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[WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

[Eric Rogers]

Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?

 

Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

[Eric Rogers]

.  I'll let him say what he did to make it work, but it's
>certainly
>possible.
>
>
>-
>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>http://www.ics-il.com
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>From: Bret Clark
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:02 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
>
>
>Man...what is the EIRP on these links that people are posting high bit
>rates? As someone else stated, gotta wonder if the FCC won't start
>getting
>suspicious at some point.
>
>Travis Johnson wrote:
> 73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total (14Mbps each direction) using a
>20mhz
>channel.
>
> Travis
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles?
>
>You will not see >30.
>
>On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers  wrote:
> Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others.  We
>currently
>have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and
we
>have been extremely happy with the performance.  We recently upgraded a
>tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was
afraid
>it couldn't handle much more.  We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola
>PTP for future capacity.
>
>
>
>The questions:
>
>
>
>MT Gurus:
>
>Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3
backhauls)
>and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls).  Since we have been
using
>Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is
>pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel.
>
>
>
>How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using
NStreme?
>
>
>
>Other Gurus:
>
>I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around
>$1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30
>each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be
>able to push 30M each way).
>
>
>
>If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of
>equipment should I look at?
>
>What can support VoIP?
>
>Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse?
>
>Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance?
>
>
>
>Eric Rogers
>
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>(317) 831-3000 x200
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Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

[Eric Rogers]

Ok, so maybe 40 miles is out, seeing is how my links are only 12.  I was
looking at 5.4 solutions because my 3 mile hops have lots of 5.8 and I
am running out of spectrum.  Without frequency reuse via GPS or HSS, I
have to move to another frequency.  5.4 seemed like it might be a viable
option for the short hops, and use 5.8 for the long hops, or even 2.4
with dishes.

So MT guys, with a 411 AH, and R5H, you can see speeds up to 30M with
low jitter?

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

40 miles @ 5.4?

How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a
36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay
in compliance.

Jerry

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could 
theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz.  I'm not sure I'd put those
antennas 
on a Rohn 25, though.  :-p

MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions.


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------
From: "Eric Rogers" 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

> Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others.  We
currently
> have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and
we
> have been extremely happy with the performance.  We recently upgraded
a
> tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was
afraid
> it couldn't handle much more.  We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola
> PTP for future capacity.
>
>
>
> The questions:
>
>
>
> MT Gurus:
>
> Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3
backhauls)
> and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls).  Since we have been
using
> Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is
> pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel.
>
>
>
> How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using
NStreme?
>
>
>
> Other Gurus:
>
> I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around
> $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark
(30
> each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be
> able to push 30M each way).
>
>
>
> If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of
> equipment should I look at?
>
> What can support VoIP?
>
> Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse?
>
> Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance?
>
>
>
> Eric Rogers
>
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
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[WISPA] Backhaul Questions

[Eric Rogers]

Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others.  We currently
have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we
have been extremely happy with the performance.  We recently upgraded a
tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid
it couldn't handle much more.  We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola
PTP for future capacity.

 

The questions:

 

MT Gurus:

Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls)
and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls).  Since we have been using
Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is
pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel.

 

How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme?

 

Other Gurus:

I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around
$1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30
each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be
able to push 30M each way).

 

If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of
equipment should I look at?

What can support VoIP?

Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse?

Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance?

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 




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Re: [WISPA] OT Question....

[Eric Rogers]

One thing, I don't know what kind of RF backhauls you are using, but the
Motorola PTP radios have a feature that disconnect the Ethernet briefly
to reset any Spanning Tree functions on the switch.  Check the radios
and see if they are dropping briefly, causing the Ethernet disconnects.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question

How close are these links? We find that at 0.10 in/hr of rain fall will
cause our 60GHz link to drop and because of the Ethernet follows
Wireless setting this also drops our Ethernet connection, normally we
only see this in hard rain. 


On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 10:55 -0400, Bob Moldashel wrote:

> To All,
> 
> OK  Its a fiber interface.  The system has been working fine.
> 
> Configuration is this:
> 
> 2960 <--- fiber ---> Gig Radio < 60ghz > Gig Radio  
> <---fiber> 2960
> 
> The interface went down twice in the same day. The radio never went 
> down. the fiber tests fine and no one has screwed with it. They are 
> short runs. This is a new deployment that has been up for about 6
weeks. 
> Fiber is all multimode 62.5 mm. It has not been intermittent. It just 
> went down hard twice one day and has been fine since. And when it went

> down it went down at 8:15 am and came back up at 2pm then went back
down 
> at 2pm and came back up at 4:30 and has been fine since.  Both sites
are 
> rooftop locations and it was raining the day the event happened so no 
> one was working in the vacinity of the equipment. And it has rained on

> and off here for the past 3 weeks with no issues otherwise so I am 
> ruling out weather. The radio link never goes down. Ever. So its not 
> rain taking out the 60 Ghz. hop.
> 
> OK   Teaching moment...  :-)
> 
> For those of you that are not aware most Gigabit radios when they
loose 
> their RF link shut down their gig ports on both sides to indicate a
hard 
> failure. This obviously expedites things like OSPF and such for
rerouting.
> 
> Just really weird
> 
> -B-
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> > Hi Bob,
> > This shows the port simply going up and down. And noting more.
> >
> > Is this a Fiber Port ? Or Copper ?
> >
> > If copper, then the wire needs to be tested, (no loose connector,
right kind
> > of cable, cat6, and the cable not exceeding 300ft,etc.)
> >
> > If it is fiber then, check the fiber, clean the fiber, check the
SFP/GBIC,
> > clear them, reseat them, confirm that you are using right cable
(single mode
> > or MultiMode) and the SFP/GBIC's Match, and depending on the length
of
> > cable, make sure your light levels are good, there is no kink in
cable etc)
> > Don't mix MultiMode cables with Single Mode Cables Connectors..
> >
> > TIP, fiber cables / SFP/GBIC, you can test each side by doing a
LoopBack on
> > the Far end... To do a loopback in fiber world, you just have to
find a way
> > to connect the two ends of the fiber cable together.
> >
> >
> > Additionally, you may want to setup the devices on both side to be
Fixed
> > 1000FDX rather than Auto negotiate.
> >
> > Regards 
> >
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > SnappyDSL.net
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> > Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:14 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] OT Question
> >
> > Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the
network guy.
> > But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link.
:-)
> >
> > What does this tell everybody???   Its from a Cisco 2960 switch.
> >
> > Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on
Interface
> > GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST:
> > %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down
Oct 27
> > 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
changed
> > state to up Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line
protocol on
> > Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27
14:15:10.273 EST:
> > %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
changed
> > state to down Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
> > GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST:
> > %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up
> >
> >
> > I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you
anything else?
> >
> >
> > Tnx.
> >
> > -B-
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik consultant/help

[Eric Rogers]

Try wiki on Mikrotik's site.

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Category:QoS
namely the one titled "PCQ Examples".  Simple queues are pretty easy to
use, once you have them figured out.  I hate saying go to the
documentation, but the WIKI is a great place of nothing but examples.  I
know there are several WISPA vendor members here, and they are all
capable of doing this.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
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Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:23 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik consultant/help

I want to run RouterOS on an x86 machine between a satellite internet  
connection and a small wireless network (about 20 users) so that I can  
give one group of users more bandwidth and another group of users less  
bandwidth. It's also important that the bandwidth usage within a group  
be distributed fairly. Can anyone recommend a Mikrotik consultant for  
a small job like this? Does anyone have anything that would do this  
which I could cut and paste?

Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

[Eric Rogers]

I would like to applaud everyone and add my $.02.  This has been
extremely professional, though everyone has their own opinions.  Thanks.

I have been not blocking, but limiting P2P so that it doesn't take up
all resources as someone put.  There are still some people that find
ways around it.  I don't limit because I feel they are getting something
they shouldn't or even because I think it is illegal, I do it because I
don't want others' experiences to be slow or bad because of these
network applications.  If there is one, I can limit the CPE to not
exceed, therefore not taking air-time.  If I have several, it is much
harder and more has to be done at the AP to fairly distribute that load.

It is not so much the bandwidth I limit, it is the air time that is
valuable to me.  The more they use, the less others can.  With the hope
of newer technologies like N, WiMax, and LTE, this airtime is dealt with
better and is less of a threat.  The bandwidth hogs will go away when
the entire industry transitions to a metered system.  I don't think it
is too far behind with Netflix, Hulu, YouTube HD, etc.  Now that is the
most fairest way to deal with customers/bandwidth hogs.  I see it as
selling a connections for $X and charging by the Gig.  That way all
models work, as long as we can still prioritize the air-waves, not so
much the bandwidth.  That is how almost all utilities work.

Eric

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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:14 PM
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Jack,

I do agree that you have been fairly clear, and I wasn't so much
addressing you as being the one conflating the two issues.
I think you have a good understanding of the two issues, and are
reasonable in how you are addressing them. I am somewhat concerned that
free speech was at the forefront of your endorsement of the FCC's
upcoming proposal re Net Neutrality. As I said before, I don't think
free speech is really the issue, either from the standpoint of the ISPs,
nor of those who have been arguing for Net Neutrality, although some
argue for NN primarily on the basis of free speech, which is where I
think the issues have been conflated.

The most visible cases I can recall that caught the attention of the
News Media as well as the FCC were trade issues, rather than free speech
issues. A phone company disallowing VoIP on their data networks, Cable
companies disallowing IPTV on from possibly competing TV companies, etc.
are trade issues. P2P is harder to portray as a trade issue. (Are there
any ISPs who would block P2P to protect their own music business?) But..
P2P is still not really a free speech issue, although it is sometimes
presented as such.

The FCC proposes to regulate ISPs to ensure that they do not
inhibit/impair the "*free flow of information AND CERTAIN APPLICATIONS"
(quoted from the AP story, emphasis mine). We do have constitutional
guarantees regarding free speech, and the Federal government is charged
with regulating Interstate commerce, but there is no constitutional
right to pass IP packets in any amount, frequency, volume, or direction
you may choose, over anybody's IP network which you may choose.
Advocating that you do under the free speech clause is inappropriate
IMNSHO. :)

As far as my network goes, and I suspect that most ISP's would be
similar, I don't care if you use FTP, HTTP, TELNET, SSH, or Real Audio
40kps stream to receive the speech populary known as "I have a dream" by
Martin Luther King. I might have an issue if you decide to download the
HDTV version, and then do likewise for every political speech made since
then. But... that has nothing to do with free speech. But, if the FCC
decides that I must allow you to stream the HDTV video file, and that I
cannot as an ISP interfere with that stream in a manner that makes it
uncomfortable for you to view (constant buffering) under the guise of
free speech guarantees, I have a big problem with that.

I also have a problem with a certain application that is designed to
consume every available network resource in an effort to gain an
advantage over other users of the network in file download times. Again,
not speech related, but often portrayed as a free speech issue.

Jack, I know you know the difference, and this isn't really directed at
you. But you were the one who brought the free speech issue into it
AFAICT.

John
*
Jack Unger wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Yes, there are two issues at play however I don't believe I have
> conflated them. I think I've been quite clear that there is an issue
> of bandwidth and there is an issue of content.
>
> On bandwidth, every ISP (in my opinion) should already be managing
> bandwidth and limiting bandwidth so that customers get what they
> contract for and not any more than what they contract for.
>
> On content, no ISP (again, in my opinion) should be able to be the
> "decider" and choose what conte

Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings

[Eric Rogers]

We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service and
run across this occasionally.  We use PPPoE for logged in routers and
DHCP to put them in a "Not Configured" pool of IP addresses.  During an
installation, we configure the routers for them, securing their
wireless.  If someone plugs a new router in, by default, most routers
use DHCP for configuration.  They get a page that says..."Your Router
Lost it's Configuration... Here is documentation on how to set it up."
In the instructions it walks them through setting up PPPoE and the
wireless on their network.

We then drive through the edition quarterly to audit and if we find one
wide open, we log into the router and set the WPA Key to
NETWORK_WIDE_OPEN or I_WAS_HERE.  Then when they call we explain that
neighbors may possibly be able to get into their computer, they are
usually... "Really, I didn't know that."  If they refuse to lock it
down, or we find it multiple times, it violates our Terms of Service and
disable their account until they call in and we tell them to stop doing
it or we will disconnect their service and that sharing is not
permitted.

We haven't had very many problems with it.  We actually had someone call
in because they felt guilty for stealing one of our customer's internet.
We got there for a site-survey and found he was pulling off of Comcast,
not us.  We left it...

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings

Sure, but the customer plugs that one connection into his own wireless 
router and runs it as a DHCP server.

richard sterne wrote:
> Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP
> address?
>
> Richard
>
> 2009/8/21 Eje Gustafsson 
>
>   
>> Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the
functionality of
>> NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time
when I'm
>> staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices
access
>> and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the
hotel
>> that charges for internet.
>>
>> Only way to "fight" it in a MTU type environment or even with
residential
>> is
>> educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run
open APs
>> they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does
illegal
>> things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are
virus
>> infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own
>> computers compromised and become BOT slaves.
>>
>> Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service
speeds
>> and
>> if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer
have the
>> speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion
of the
>> user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be
shut
>> down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit
>> count.
>>
>>
>> Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that
even
>> share
>> the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides
maybe
>> limit per connections etc to choke them out.
>>
>> What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the
landlord is
>> paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to
the
>> tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web
browsing
>> but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The
people
>> that
>> pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;)
>>
>> /Eje
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM
>> To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
>>
>> Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people
behind
>> NAT.
>>
>> Example:
>>
>> Joe buys a WRT54g.  WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network.  Joe
buys
>> and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g.  Joe plus in an AP behind
the
>> router and broadcasts ESSID "Free Internet".  People mooch.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improba

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

[Eric Rogers]

:)  Yup.  We had 3 hit... We're back up and running.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

Shielded cable did not make a difference for me. After today's wicked 
electrical storms, I'm not sure what would.
BTW: I've lived in both Colorado and Florida along, with several other states, 
but never saw storms like the ones we get here in Kentucky - stats or no! It 
looks like us & Indiana were winners today.
-RickG

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Jayson Baker wrote:
> Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
> We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the 
> country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded 
> cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL 
> installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded PacWireless 
> POE injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a 
> lightning related service call.
> We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of 
> truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA, 
>> lightning, whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were 
>> replaced, necessarily, by a newer board.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however 
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
>> > >wrote:
>>
>> > Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor?
>> > And/or like I suggested overclocked.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
>> > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
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>> > Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
>> >
>> > Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the 
>> > box lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once 
>> > only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice 
>> > or got to an interface we could use.
>> >
>> > We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors 
>> > and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every 
>> > few hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
>> >
>> > My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the 
>> > radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly 
>> > and wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall 
>> > the old
>> > 133 board.  Any others having these problems?
>> >
>> > Forbes Mercy
>> > President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

[Eric Rogers]

I am using SpamTitan so we can run it in a VMWare instance and move it
if we need to.  It's core is SpamAssassin, BUT...it won't let you upload
spam emails to help the DB learn what spam and ham isI know
Barracuda does.  

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Curtis Maurand
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution


I've been running Postfix, amavisd-new, spamassassin, dbmail for many 
years and its been rock solid.  I've also added fuzzyocr to
spamassassin.



Marco Coelho wrote:
> We really like Postfix, courier-imap, amavisd-new (includes
> spamassassin), mailgraph, spamakazi, clam-av combo
>
> We have it sitting on a 8 way machine with raid 0+1 15K SCSI drives
> with spares.
>
> Solid.
>
> Marco
> Argon Technologies Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:09 PM, John Thomas
wrote:
>   
>> I know of Barracudas that the only time they get rebooted is for
>> firmware updates.
>> They can run for months without a reboot, but usually the firmware
>> updates have useful stuff in 3-6 months that requires a firmware
upgrade.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> Charles Wyble wrote:
>> 
>>> David E. Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 What kind of problems were/are you having with your Barracudas? On
the
 (exceedingly rare) occasion that ours do anything odd, rebooting
them
 almost always clears it up.

 
>>> One should NEVER have to reboot a mail server, outside of a kernel
>>> upgrade (and even then one can use ksplice).
>>>
>>> I'm sorry but that's a pathetic resolution process.
>>>
>>> I have mail/web/dns servers with years of uptime. They sit there and
>>> just work. RAID + UPS = 100% uptime.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

[Eric Rogers]

GAB - Great American Broadband

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Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis



Scott Reed wrote:
> Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower

> is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the 
> potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I 
> would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit
the 
> money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I

> need to be able to test at 100+ feet.
> 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239


Scott

I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest.

Who is GAB Midwest?

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box

[Eric Rogers]

That is an awesome find...

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Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:39 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box

Fyi... The other options is to use  a standard POE switch (802.3 af) and
use
these module to convert the voltage..

http://www.shireeninc.com/products/poe/extractor/
 
Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box

I think you are looking for something like this..

http://www.inscapedata.com/lps.htm

Regards 


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Subject: [WISPA] POE Switch box

Looking for recommendations on a 10+ port POE switch that will do up to
24volt.  Prefer remote manageable with options to switch power on and
off
per port (remote reboot per port).

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Re: [WISPA] Cat5 Grounding

[Eric Rogers]

I already use them, but doesn't always help.  That is our standard setup
now.  They have saved us many times, but if we take a direct hit,
sometimes the equipment makes it, and sometimes it doesn't.  For
instance, we got hit last night.  Only two sectors blew, the rest are
still working 9 total radios operating and 2 dead ones.  I was just
brainstorming and thought if we could ground the cat5 bundle better, it
might keep the potential differences to a minimum by grounding at the
top, as it leaves the tower, and as it enters the building.

Eric



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Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:12 AM
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That and put surge suppressors in the Cat5 between the patch panel and 
the devices.
Maybe something like APCs
PRM4 
<http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PRM4>wi
th 
PNETR 
<http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR5>
modules

Eric Rogers wrote:
> Ok... I have been dreaming a little.  I have had a couple direct hits
on
> towers because of the storms through the Midwest and it got me
> thinking... (ouch it hurts)...
>
> We put patch panels at the top and bottom of the towers and usually
run
> bundles of cables between.  The more I am getting into the RF world
and
> towers, (I am an IT guy by heart), I am thinking that using the 25
pair
> lines with an armor/shield would be a better way of going.  If I ran 2
-
> 25 pair runs up a tower, then you can follow the grounding ritual of
> grounding at the equipment, as it comes off a tower, and just before
it
> enters the building with standard coax grounding kits that Tessco and
> others sell.
>
> Thoughts?  Anyone do this currently?
>
> Eric
>
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[WISPA] Cat5 Grounding

[Eric Rogers]

Ok... I have been dreaming a little.  I have had a couple direct hits on
towers because of the storms through the Midwest and it got me
thinking... (ouch it hurts)...

We put patch panels at the top and bottom of the towers and usually run
bundles of cables between.  The more I am getting into the RF world and
towers, (I am an IT guy by heart), I am thinking that using the 25 pair
lines with an armor/shield would be a better way of going.  If I ran 2 -
25 pair runs up a tower, then you can follow the grounding ritual of
grounding at the equipment, as it comes off a tower, and just before it
enters the building with standard coax grounding kits that Tessco and
others sell.

Thoughts?  Anyone do this currently?

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Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

[Eric Rogers]

Didn't mean to reply to my post, but I forgot to add that I also found
P2P software running on the routers we had issues with.

Eric

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Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

We have been seeing a couple issues with old Linksys WRT54Gs passing
private IP addresses down the PPPoE tunnel.  It is almost like the NAT
table gets full, or there isn't enough memory to keep it all, then gets
corrupt.  I wonder if this is similar to what the Tranzeo's are doing.

Eric

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Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on
any
machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the
time by
launching limewire.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having
issues
with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2.  Wonder what Tranzeo would say about
this?

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

I do.  I will drop it to you offlist.


D. Ryan Spott wrote:

Do you have any ethreal data you can share?



ryan



Steve Smith wrote:



In our case we are using staros APs.  We like to have the CPE set to

router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment

on their side of our unit at their place.  That way we don't care if

they change out a piece of equipment.



We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to

bridge mode.  We love the Tranzeo CPQs.  Our problems are when the

CPQs are in router mode.  There is a definite problem that we can

replicate 100% of the time.



We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception

of the Tranzeo CPQ.



All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an

upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in

version 3.6.7 as well.



I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge

mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did.

Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with

hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea.



steve







D. Ryan Spott wrote:



Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP

is the way to go.



Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending

and receiving wireless data.



ryan



Rick Kunze wrote:





I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or

so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years.



I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic

as mentioned in the thread.  I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a

couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode.  No calls

from any customers . . . everything seems normal.



IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine.  All AP's however are bridged in

my case.



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Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

[Eric Rogers]

We have been seeing a couple issues with old Linksys WRT54Gs passing
private IP addresses down the PPPoE tunnel.  It is almost like the NAT
table gets full, or there isn't enough memory to keep it all, then gets
corrupt.  I wonder if this is similar to what the Tranzeo's are doing.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:19 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on
any
machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the
time by
launching limewire.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having
issues
with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2.  Wonder what Tranzeo would say about
this?

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

I do.  I will drop it to you offlist.


D. Ryan Spott wrote:

Do you have any ethreal data you can share?



ryan



Steve Smith wrote:



In our case we are using staros APs.  We like to have the CPE set to

router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment

on their side of our unit at their place.  That way we don't care if

they change out a piece of equipment.



We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to

bridge mode.  We love the Tranzeo CPQs.  Our problems are when the

CPQs are in router mode.  There is a definite problem that we can

replicate 100% of the time.



We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception

of the Tranzeo CPQ.



All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an

upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in

version 3.6.7 as well.



I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge

mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did.

Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with

hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea.



steve







D. Ryan Spott wrote:



Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP

is the way to go.



Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending

and receiving wireless data.



ryan



Rick Kunze wrote:





I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or

so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years.



I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic

as mentioned in the thread.  I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a

couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode.  No calls

from any customers . . . everything seems normal.



IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine.  All AP's however are bridged in

my case.



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Re: [WISPA] TVSS

[Eric Rogers]

What TVSS do you use, and where do you get it?

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] TVSS

I've got a whole building TVSS on the three phase at my datacenter 
building; it's a separate module that goes next to the breaker panel. 8 
years and no lighting problems despite being connected to a tower. I 
also use UPSs and have an extensive underground grounding network, and 
the generator waits a minute for things to stabilize before returning to

utility power after an outage.

We also keep all the wireless equipment on one rack, and link it to the 
other racks with fiber for connectivity, just to limit the scope of any 
potential ethernet based surges.

I've got a whole building TVSS on my home, where it's like a LED+circuit

breaker on each 120v leg. 9 years and no lightning problems, with about 
8 antennas on the roof. I also use UPSs, and have a diesel generator but

it's not automatic.

I'll probably continue to buy the whole building protection for any new 
building power wiring projects. It seems like a low cost layer of 
protection compared to the amount of damagable electronics in a house or

computing environment or other elaborate protection systems. We use a 
mix of APC and Tripplite UPS systems.

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 09:58:40AM -0400, Eric Rogers wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with whole-building Transient Voltage
> Surge Supression (TVSS) systems?  If you have other suggestions, I am
> willing to hear them.  We use APC UPSs, but also want another layer of
> protection.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
> 
> 
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[WISPA] TVSS

[Eric Rogers]

Does anyone have any experience with whole-building Transient Voltage
Surge Supression (TVSS) systems?  If you have other suggestions, I am
willing to hear them.  We use APC UPSs, but also want another layer of
protection.

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] possible interference?

[Eric Rogers]

I ASS-U-ME that you are using Motorola Canopy... First question...are
they GPS synced?

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sara Gray
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] possible interference?

I have a broadcast tower running in the 5GHz range that is randomly
dropping
clients.  When I look at the status page I'm seeing a difference of 3 to
4
jitter higher on the tower side on most customer SM's, with a few that
are
just the opposite.  The customers to the north of the tower seem to be
the
ones with the higher jitter on the tower side, and the ones on the south
seem to be better or have higher jitter customer side, with a few
exceptions.  Anyone have any ideas?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs

[Eric Rogers]

The warmness and storms is because of global warming... LOL



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs

Packed to the gills with work. 

Now if it would just stop raining.

I feel like I live in the Northwest!  :-P

-B-



Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> LOL
>
> At the prices we charge out here in the sticks it's already as good as
free!
>
> How's things back east?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bob Moldashel" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs
>
>
>   
>> I agree with the "work with them" part here.  I am not totally
>> heartless.  People have problems and I am understanding but when
people
>> stop communicating the buck stops there.
>>
>> Marlon...If I had half of your money I would give everyone free
Internet
>> service!
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> 
>>> We learned this lesson too.
>>>
>>> You'll be lucky to get half of the money.
>>>
>>> What we do is shut them off until payment comes in.  They don't have
to 
>>> pay
>>> it all at once, but we require at least double the monthyly fee.  If
they
>>> miss, we shut them off right away.  Takes a while to get them caught
back
>>> up, but they usually do this way, those that will anyway.
>>>
>>> The most important part?  NEVER let them get this far behind.
30 
>>> days
>>> late and you're cut off here.  Well, when the girls remember to do
it,
>>> sometimes it goes twice that, but they get their tails chewed when I
find
>>> out people are hundreds behind
>>>
>>> One thing we DO do for folks is work with them.  If they come to us
and 
>>> tell
>>> us that they are out of work, just got a divorce etc. etc. we will
let 
>>> them
>>> go way out.  I think we've only been burnt once or twice on this.
Most 
>>> of
>>> the time people are soo thankful for what we've done to help.
The 
>>> girls
>>> can raise that issue if, during a collections call, people tell them

>>> what's
>>> going on other than "I don't have the money" or "I forgot".
>>>
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:40 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 I've got a few non-paying subs, that we would like to get payment
on.
 It has reached over $1k from 4 subs over the past 6 months.  Do you
just
 cut your losses and move on or what do you do?  I'm contemplating
small
 claims court as it should be an open and shut case, but it's $91 in
fees
 per person.  We've done the collection letter and it hasn't worked.



 We got the please don't turn it off, I'm coming to pay...and it
never
 happened.





 Regards,

 Chuck Hogg

 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com

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Re: [WISPA] Workorders and install / Repair scheduling

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Workorders and install / Repair scheduling

Just curious whats everyone using for workorders and scheduling?

I've got a home grown solution I made a few years back that I
intergrated
google calendars into
however we aren't happy with it and am looking into a new system.

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Re: [WISPA] After hour call handling?

[Eric Rogers]

I made that mistake... The straw that broke the camel's back was when I
got a call at 11:30 PM on Sunday that "I am having problems getting my
Xbox to work.  It says I need a key."  I realized at that point, as I
was waking from my slumber, that it was not a good idea.  I don't
remember my response, but I am sure I wasn't as nice as I would have
been normally...

We use Asterisk and during business hours, we answer calls as much as we
can.  After hours, unless they are paying business rates, it says on our
menu if they are a residence calling for support, press X and you can
leave a message.  If you are a business or a residential customer in
need of immediate support, press Y.  If they press Y, the first
announcement says Note:  for all residential customers calling for after
hours support, there will be a $75 charge for each hour on their next
bill.

It gives the customers that "HAVE TO HAVE IT NOW!!!" the ability to get
support, especially for that executive that has to have a report done at
3:00 AM for the financial meeting he will be attending and he can't
figure out his email settings on a work laptop that has never been home
to setup.  We can now justify paying off-hour rates to my techs.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:52 PM
To: aosg...@streamline-solutions.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] After hour call handling?

My cell number is on every answering machine.  I tell people that if
it's 
urgent they can call.

One of these days I'll have another tech and we'll take turns on
"stand-by".

The best solution I've found though?  GOOD gear!  It's amazing what
happens 
to the after hours call when you get top notch gear installed.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Aaron D. Osgood" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: [WISPA] After hour call handling?


How does everyone handle after hour calls for service? (Answering
service? 
Call forward to cell? Etc.)
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From: Brian Rohrbacher 

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:31:25
To: WISPA General List
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone have trouble with customers batching credit cardpayments?

[Eric Rogers]

Do they happen to have a managed switch or do you have a managed switch
you can temporarily put in to prove it is not your service?  I would
check the error counters on the interface and be SURE it isn't wiring in
their facility.  The best thing you can do to trouble-shoot is to break
everything down into small "systems" and test each piece until you find
the culprit.

I don't know how your wireless network is set up, but even if you are
using PPPoE, I am sure you set up the MTU to the correct number.  It
could be that you need to change the MTU on the device, but it would
error every time, not intermittently.

You might put a static IP on their connection and get PingPlotter and
find out the packet loss at different times of the day to their exact
location and see if you see anything going on at the end of day.

Good luck,

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Behalf Of Martha Huizenga
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have trouble with customers batching credit
cardpayments?

Hi,

We have a client who can't send his batched credit card payments. It's 
sporadic - not every night, so we can pinpoint it to a definite problem 
on our network. The credit card software company has upgraded the 
software etc and says it's a problem with their Internet. Thought I 
would see if anyone else has had an issue with this.

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Towers....

[Eric Rogers]

I would also agree this company is great to deal with.  I have a 190'
NSX tower and it has worked for my little ISP.  However, with the
positive that it does work just like Bob says, they are not solid-rod
towers like Valmont, so the life is yet to be determined.  They are
hot-dipped electro-galvanized (better coating) vs the old-fashioned way
of just galvanizing, but because they are hollow, they can rust from the
inside out.  I hope this investment lasts like most of the 30+ yr old
MCI and AT&T microwave towers have held up, but I have my doubts.  So
far so good.  2 1/2 years on it and it still has little to no rust on
the outside.

Eric


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Towers

Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers.

If any of you guys or gals is considering buying a tower or towers you 
should consider these guys.  We have been installing tower stuff for 
years and and I can't remember the last time I didn't have to pull out a

mag drill, torch, come-a-long, sledgehammer or some other tool or device

to make a tower go together.  we just installed a 100' freestanding 
Nello NSX tower for a customer and every single hole lined up perfectly,

the instructions were straight forward, everything was labeled and color

coded, and there was even a box that said "SPARE HARDWARE"  Holy 
Crap!  Imagine that!!!  A freakin' tower dog's miracle moment. we put 
the tower together and hung it in one day without issue. And we were not

short ANYTHING.

We have a second one to do and I can honestly say I am looking forward 
to it.

Now I have no relationship with this company and I don't make anything 
from them.  But I know what a nightmare putting some of these together 
can be like for someone with experience.  Can't imagine a novice trying 
it. Anyone looking for some fun should buy five 100' Super Trylon towers

from Tessco and try putting them together with the instructions off the 
web site.  Took us 4 weeks especially when we realized we had all kinds 
of parts missing.  And the shipping was a killer because Tessco makes 
its own kits and crates each individual section in nice heavy wood 
crates.  10 sections, 10 crates. We had enough wood left over to build a

4 bedroom house!  :-)

Just an FYI.

Bob







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[WISPA] Coverage Area Denver, NC

[Eric Rogers]

Does anyone have coverage in Denver NC?

I have a customer moving there and she has to use AT&T and she wants a
wireless ISP.



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